/jp/ - Otaku Culture

オーキードはかせの

なかのひと

なくなった

>>19698437
>no 振り仮名モード
gamefreak hates me

https://youtu.be/Xc1NJV1wcug
nihongo conprehension test

>>19698529
Looks like monkey music. Sorry but I can't watch it since I'm not a subhuman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JVs8X5bv8w
listen ひゃく ご じゅう いち

Alright, /jp/, everyone talks about just reading right away, but when did you actually start to read? What was the first thing you actually read?

>>19698631
some hiragana children's books

>>19698410
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjTgxgG_8U0

HA! HA! HA!! HA! HA! HA!!

なかなか 手強い相手も
ますます 燃えちゃうバトル（ホント？）
フラフラ ヨレヨレ 大ピンチ
決めろ アイアンテールで スマイリング

（Everything is Good!!）
OH!! めざめるパワー
（Never Give Up!!）
さあ立ち上がれ おいかぜに乗って

しゃかりき なりきり はりきり
みんなで進もう エブリデイ
森も 川も 山も 越える
この感じ 最高!!（サイコー!!）
友情 愛情 根性
進化してるよ エブリデイ
いいね いいね いいね いくぜ

ぼくら グッド・コンビネーション
ばっちり コミュニケーション
いつだって ハイ・テンション
WOW WO シャララ… だからダイジョウブ

ぼくら グッド・バイブレーション
あすに コングラチュレーション
いつだって レボリューション
いくぜ この道 めざせ日本語マスター

>>19698631
Eromanga.

>>19698437
>談笑
>おはなし

>>19698631
>when did you actually start to read?
About an hour after I learned kana.
>What was the first thing you actually read?
I believe it was webm related. Not sure though.

>>19698631
genki

>>19698631
Start with sentences in a grammar guide tbqh, there's no point in reading a text if you can't parse anything to even look it up

Anyone know where I can get a working link for Ranma1/2? The one in the guide is listed as inactive.

>>19698862
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/manga/pages/ana.html

Since starting to learn japanese I've replayed gen1, 2 and 3 in japanese. Then have been playing Diamond on and off for a long while, finding it boring, specially because there's no nostalgia factor and I don't know a lot of the english dialogue beforehand.

Should I just skip it and jump to the based GS remakes?

でもさ

でもさでもさ

でもでもさ

>>19698631
>What was the first thing you actually read?
Flyable Heart.

>when did you actually start to read?
My journey to actually getting started reading was a long and shameful one. I first discovered DJT around 2012, I think, but I went straight from there to Namasensei's videos, and when I got to the end of them I had no idea what to do next so I just kind of gave up. My memory of what happened next is pretty fuzzy, but several years passed where I just kept starting phases of ''''''''learning'''''''' Japanese which lasted several weeks to a month each, before I would quit and take several months off only to repeat the cycle all over again.

In the beginning, I would read Tae Kim, or Genki, or do some other beginner thing like RTK or Core, and either find it too tedious to finish (RTK, Core), or get to the end of it then not really know where to go from there (Tae Kim, Genki) and quit. At some point I learned that I needed to read in order to learn Japanese, but when I tried reading I was predictably hopeless at it, and I took this to mean that I needed to do more grammar study. This led to me trying stuff like the DoJG Anki deck, but it was so dull that each time I tried it I could never make it more than a week in before I gave up.

By this point I had basically lost all hope in ever learning Japanese and felt extremely hopeless about the whole endeavour, but I discovered the AJATT site somehow or other and ended up reading through it figuring I had nothing to lose. The motivational stuff about it being okay to suck, etc., coupled with the message of learning by having fun turned out to be just what I needed to hear, and that got me to a long last just dive into reading without caring that I was really shit at it and couldn't understand anything. I didn't pick up any of the other AJATT stuff like sentence mining and so on though since I was more focused on just getting myself reading and told myself I'd worry about all that stuff later. It's about a year later now and I'm still going (though because I haven't used Anki all this time my vocabulary is terrible).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaCYzV2S3LU
Did Matt take the /djt/pill?

>>19699009
How can you trust a guy who changes his opinion when presented with different arguments?

stumbled upon a video entitled
>The Hardest Writing System! - an animated rant about learning Japanese
is it though? I learnt kana in 2 days, 3000 kanji in roughly 3 months and I don't find the writing to be difficult when you get familiar with it a bit
now Arabic and all those other languages look even more difficult

is moaning about artificial difficulty of Japanese a thing weebs do so they can feel better about their shitty lives and get some ego boost from people online who are impressed with their knowledge?

>>19699030
You didn’t learn 3000 kanji in 3 months though

>>19699009
And of course nukemarine commented on the video.

>>19698952

>>19699030
Arabic is much simpler to write than kanji desu

>>19699009
not clicking that. what did he say?

>>19699030
aren't there only like 40 arab characters? how can you even begin to compare arabic to japanese?

>>19698952
>It's about a year later now and I'm still going (though because I haven't used Anki all this time my vocabulary is terrible).
this is what I'm afraid of. so then I should sentence mine instead of merely reading right?

>>19698437
>kanji mode
>still using spaces when you have kanji

>>19699028
making streamables of the epic parts

>>19699052
I learnt writing of 3000 kanji in 3 months. I was purely talking about writing of the language, sorry for not being detailed enough in my previous post.

>>19699080
I was just asking, I don't say that Japanese isn't the hardest, it just doesn't seem to be at the first glance. I mean even if all the other exotic languages despite looking like scribble lines have only a few dozen of characters then still Chinese writing should be more difficult than Jap due to the sheer volume of kanji used, or am I mistaken. People say Jap is more difficult due to it having kana alongside kanji, but I feel like it actually makes things easier.

(English is not my first language)
第 - is an "ordinal number prefix" but what is an "ordinal number"? When should it use it?

Also, unrelated, is this sentence correct:
もし時間かあれば、ホテルに一緒に行きませんか？

>>19699114
as a non-native you should be using an english dictionary
ordinal number = 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th etc. i.e. showing order of things

>>19691007
>You can find many of his unlisted videos from youtube if you know how to search. They are all shit though, about meditation etc. I dont dare to post them here but search for "matt vs japan" playlist etc and youll find people who have made playlists which contain these videos

I looked for the playlists and there are only 2, both made my him.

>>19699114
no mistake other than か -> が
もし時間があれば、ホテルに一緒に行きませんか？

>>19699121
It gave me some arithmetic numeral series related definition. Thanks though.

>>19699134
Oh yeah I noticed it myself and forgot to fix it. Thanks!

>>19698631
I started reading a visual novel after learning a few hundred words and some basic grammar. I didn't understand anything.

>>19699130
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLetth9pswrxrg7eaHV_voy8qBEq2PPoMv
https://www.youtube.com/user/howbcc/videos

>>19699030
you do realize the writing system being hard doesn't just apply to memorizing the the characters but also the fact that it can be incredibly obtuse at points and has stuff like 当て字, there's just something not quite right with your system when natives have to give an educated guess on how to read names or any words they didn't see before.

>>19699091
There's no real proof but it's probably better for retention to mine vocab and/or sentences, yes.

Will the djt library ever be updated again or has that anon abandoned us?
(Yes, I know about the supplement)

>>19699009
https://youtu.be/EaCYzV2S3LU?t=1875
31:15
tl;dr
>I was wrong about beginners doing RTK because without having learned Japanese your mature card retention rate will drop after a few months, because a single English keyword isn't a powerful enough prompt to recall a kanji. Just blitz through lazy kanji (see kanji, recall rough meaning/keyword) in the beginning and do RTK much later when you're fluent.
I've been defending this fuck's arguments for beginners doing RTK since May and this cunt just turns on me like that? My identity was wrapped up in this. I slayed DJTers in this guy's name but he's basically agreed with you guys that you should become fluent before learning to write kanji with RTK. What the hell do I do now?

>>19699221
well that's because we were right all along and all teh DJTers you slayed in your mind don't exist outside of it, it's impressive how humans can create their own bubble and isolate themselves like that

>>19699221
stop worshiping false idols and learn japanese

>I slayed DJTers in this guy's name
you might have thought so but actually you just made a fool of yourself

>>19699257
>>19699259
No I genuinely full nelson'd you guys. But I was defending an incorrect position. Still, wtf do I do now?

>>19699265
yeah that didn't happen

>>19699221
>I didn't realize how hard it was to learn Kanji without knowing Japanese
Or maybe his ""patrons"" are lazy fucks who want results while putting in as little effort as possible, which would explain why they'd go as far as to give this neet money.

>>19699265
you haven't but i'll allow you to keep thinking that

>>19699265
stop worshiping false idols and learn japanese

>>19699271
people aren't lazy
if enough people can't direct their effort to something and get results then it doesn't work

>>19699265
>But I was defending an incorrect position.
But what if you're still right and Matt is wrong now?

by the way for lazy kanji KKLC is objectively better than RTK in like every way

>>19699271
matt didn't do what he told people to do is the thing lol, he did lazy kanji for rtk and then went back after a few years and having already read a lot to do it proper

>>19699009
Well at least I have the logs.

>>19699271
That's possible because my mature retention rate for RTK1 is ~87% (which I posted here yesterday). It's possible it'll continue to drop. On the other hand maybe a lot of his followers weren't visualizing their stories enough and that's why their retention plummeted? I guess I'll see what happens.

>>19699290
logs of what

>>19699273
I guess this is it. I have to take the plunge. I'll finally belong on DJT now that I'm learning Japanese.

>>19699299
>>19699257

Trolling/speculations aside, I honestly think doing RTK early can work for some people but doing it in isolation is counter-productive and dumb. Not every single kanji you "learn" you have to learn using RTK's advocated method.

>>19699315
you're the only person in the whole world who thinks you won any of those arguements but i won't make fun of you for your schizophrenia

>>19699321
I didn't argue them. I'm saying DJT was right. I feel good knowing I'm part of this community.

>>19699332
no you're not, you've never been, you were so far deep inside an e-celeb's asshole that when he retracted a statement your whole world crumbled, you don't belong

>>19699321
Read your post wrong. But yeah they did win them. Every time.

>>19699221
>single English keyword isn't a powerful enough prompt to recall a kanji
I know that feeling. But I would just add Japanese on the front in those cases. My retention never dropped.

>>19699267
>>19699272
I'm JK. You were right and I was wrong.

>>19699343
You're projecting. I've never watched a Matt video before today.

matt's new video is a powerful return to form but it won't be finished until he gives up on recommending external resources and writes his own grammar guide

>>19699349
that's a relief. i was paranoid my mature would drop.

>>19699356
I honestly can't tell who i'm replying to, this was meant to address the guy who thinks he was winning these arguments being matt's knight in shining armor and then had his whole fragile cognition he based off of other people's experience crumble with a 1 hour video

>single English keyword isn't a powerful enough prompt to recall a kanji
It's almost like some kanji have enough meaning behind them that you might want multiple keywords.... or maybe even a few items of vocabulary to give some context to remembering them.... Wait, that sounds a lot like KKLC. But didn't Matt shit on KKLC without even looking it at? I'm so confused bros

https://youtu.be/EaCYzV2S3LU?t=2659
We should all try to live to this standard. This guy is so fucking wise and mature.

>>19699375
> Wait, that sounds a lot like KKLC. But didn't Matt shit on KKLC without even looking it at? I'm so confused bros
it teaches you japanese while you're learning kanji and that's a big no-no dude

>>19699375
He still wouldn't recommend KKLC because you're supposed to learn vocab by reading, not memorizing a few isolated words that a book like KKLC throws at you. The isolated study complements the reading, you don't learn to do both in one book. Well maybe now he'd be open to KKLC for the "lazy kanji" method.

>>19699375
>bros
How to spot underage shitposters 101

>>19699392
You're not actually supposed to memorize the kanji in KKLC, they're for disambiguating what the keywords mean.

>>19699392
I'm pretty sure KKLC says in the introduction that it isn't meant for straight up newbies to the language and having some experience will make it work better. That's why the words provide a nice context for someone who already has some knowledge of Japanese

>>19698631
>when did you actually start to read?
After watching 10000 hours of anime and learning hiragana
>What was the first thing you actually read?
Japanese chatting on niconico streams

>>19699364
I have 93% retention rate on my 9 year old deck. I don't remember a single keyword or its story. But it's all good.

>>19699357
he said on his stream that he will not write his own grammar guide, because he doesnt intend to actually teach people japanese

>>19699444
that boomer who's been 'learning' Japanese for 9 years
I feel SO good about my Japanese when there are people around like you

https://streamable.com/bwnkf
https://streamable.com/16a8x
bonus:
https://streamable.com/yjca3
https://streamable.com/lwi2n

Label the toxin!

RTK shills on suicide watch

>>19699357
>>19699446
>>>/wsg/2336212

Has /djt/ reached rock-bottom?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRylVSfxyw
Listening practice

>>19699543
One of /djt/'s greatest enemies just admitted /djt/ was right. /djt/ is celebrating and will return to normal shortly.

>>19699543
this is the first time i opened this thread and was glad i did because matt finally confirmed what we were saying about rtk for months which shills handwaved away because their overlord said we were wrong

I'm a huge fan of Matt and I'm happy too. Because djt has fewer and fewer excuses to dismiss him.

>>19699533
>I want my job to be to teach people how to teach themselves how to learn Japanese
How anyone can take this nigger seriously is beyond me.

>>19699570
You don't actually think matt is the first person ever to advocate RTK do you?

>>19699603
It's not about whether or not you should do RTK period but whether it's worth it for beginners to do. It's not, and Matt has finally admitted that it's not.

>>19699611
Matt changes his opinions everytime he changes clothes, i.e. every 2 weeks on average.

Is it finally time to remove RTK from the wiki?

>>19699647
>wiki

What do you guys think about this website for grammar?
www.bunpro.jp

>>19699611
most of us aren't even aversed to RTK itself and we frequently say that you should do it AFTER you already know japanese

the fuck
is there a name for this?

>>19699681
>Japanese grammar SRS
Seriously, don't
Just don't

the fuck
is there a name for this?

>>19698529
先行 guy dont need no fuckin beat

>>the matt shit
https://streamable.com/l6h0h

>>19699707
madarame

>you guys just wasted 2-4 months on advice i gave that i didn't even apply to myself
>my bad lol, keep writing me that paycheck though
i fucking love this lol, where's that vetted poster retard who constantly said that matt not doing what he recommended himself wasn't a factor to consider at all cause he knows better

rare mention of good anime itt

>>19699718
i'm right here bitch. it's obviously not a factor because he just changed his mind. got something to say?

>>19699726
i think you missed the part where you wasted 2 months not learning japanese while doing rtk and he's now retracted it and now you're gonna have to get dragged along as his labrat for whatever other retarded shit while constantly chasing at his breadcrumbs being experimented on

this made my morning

i always thought 9 out of 10 djters just bumped matt ironically because of how see through he is

he doesnt want to teach people japanese because hes still teaching himself japanese : )

anyway its that 10% of djt that really needs our help guys lets be there for them during these troubling times because its only gonna get worse from here

>>19699738
"wasted" 2 months? i've learned how to write over 2k kanji now. i can start learning real japanese today. 2 months is nothing compared to the years it takes to get good.

>>19699741
People used to talk about him ironically but if you say something ironically enough people will start to believe it. That's how the thread has gotten to this point

I can't believe I did RTK without learning Japanese. I'm the guy who started it in late May. How many of you started learning actual Japanese in May and what material are you currently reading? I'm so far behind you.

>>19699747
pro tip you could've just done that after you already were good and be way further ahead and if your overlord is right you're gonna forget those 2k kanji really fucking soon

``~~`~if you dont use it you lose it~~~~`

ichaban tuyoi gaijim ni naゐtai kanahh

lmao カッコイイ 爆笑

>>19699754
I started in April and did 3/4 of RTK before realizing it was shit but i was also kinda reading on the side but not really commiting more than an hour a day, i'm now just over 1k mined words, finished one VN and 90% of my mined words are from VNs, reading is getting easier now.

>>19699738
I fail to see how it is a waste if it worked for him and his retention rate is good. Matt "retracted" the statement because his Patrons are too retarded for RTK, that's all.

>>19699757
i could have but that's still not a lot of time, and good luck i always try to recall my story when doing my reps so i don't do the automatic 'picture the whole kanji' thing matt described in his video and claims is one of the main culprits for people's long term retention dropping. plus i just gotta start reading enough and i should be able to stave it off long enough.

>>19699771
It was also just advice he didn't really do himself and he got super low retention rate on lazy kanji too after a while as he said himself

>>19699777
see you trying so hard to save face? this wouldn't have happened if you just listened instead of appealing to authority you fucking sheeple lmfao

>>19699710
i mean the kanji

>>19699784
>see you trying so hard to save face?
i don't know what this means i'm just giving you my thoughts on the situation
>this wouldn't have happened if you just listened
in other words if i would have appealed to authority then this wouldn't have happened? lol no thanks just because my heuristic for what's true was wrong this time, that doesn't mean i still wouldn't choose to listen to matt more than you.

>>19699777
>and good luck i always try to recall my story when doing my reps so i don't do the automatic 'picture the whole kanji' thing matt described in his video and claims is one of the main culprits for people's long term retention dropping.
ah so you still haven't even taken away the training wheels which is how you're supposed to do the system after a while and you think that's a win?

>>19699771
>I fail to see how it is a waste if it worked for him
but he didn't do it
that's the whole point

>>19699800
I'm talking about the anon who just finished RTK 1.

guys anyone that vehemently defends matt is actually "trolling" just fyi before you go down this idiot hole : )

What's a good dictionary that has voices in android? Jsho is good but I want to hear the pronunciation.

>>19699805
if you just finished rtk you haven't started learning japanese

>>19699805
that anon shitposts here and is the biggest matt shill ever, he's not learning japanese and never will, if you looked at those threads you'd know how he's not gonna get anywhere regardless of whose advice he "follows"

don't know these words yet, but i'd like to show that matt is correct about english not being enough to spawn kanji. i'm on a phone and here is the kanji i was able to produce using the method from yesterday >>19691444

?目晴信
手部?帯??、中手??折、
近?指節間関節??。

here is the word list (one word per kanji, ? means I didn't know it, didn't necessarily type these exact words above, just spawned a random one from memory)

?
め
はれる
しんらい
て
ぶぶん
?
けいたい
?
?
、
なか
て
?
?
おる
、
きんじょ
?
めざす
きせつ
あいだ
げんかん
きせつ
?
?

when you use japanese as a keyword, then you can go for walks outside on the phone and play games on 携帯 because you no longer need radical lookup or text hooker.

>>19699810
Who claimed otherwise?

>>19699801
it's only been 2 months which matt claims is the time where you transition from relying on the story to just instantly recalling the kanji associated with the word. so i'm actually right on track, and thanks to this warning from matt i won't stop recalling the story until i've learned enough japanese to take the "training wheels" off. so basically, this could have turned out bad but things are OK.

>>19699811
bookmarking this to prove you wrong later

>>19699830
you can't learn japanese

>>19699830
better stop posting here if you have any chance of proving me wrong

>>19699813
>>19699707

>>19699823
so you're gonna be like a retarded kindergardener kid for years now keeping a deck that doesn't teach you any actual japanese so then it can actually serve it purpose later and you can graduate from relying on mnemonics? this morning just keeps on giving

You guys are hilarious

>>19698631
>when did you actually start to read?
Probably a third of a year of just mindlessly doing Anki and not actually reading/applying it. Decided I should start reading this summer and have been for awhile
>What was the first thing you actually read?
A few chapters of Yotsuba, and now I'm reading Hoshi Ori Yume Mirai

>>19699848
hey we only shit on him because he disagreed. now that he agrees, we win. this is a win for djt.

>>19699843
instead of spending 30 minutes (and fewer in the future as reps decrease) a day maintaining knowledge that took hours of investment of effort over the course of two months to attain, i should just completely forget it now? why would i? you are taking this too far.

>>19699830
i hope me whooping your ass leaves you that much of an impression when you come here after 6 years because you kept following sub optimal advice from a guy experimenting on you, though i somehow doubt you will

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ufP3Kn4Uk

>>19699870
the 1 year ajatt update videos absolutely destroy any notion that the "sub optimal" nature of anything matt recommends is actually significant relative to the amount of input he recommends. for example sentence mining might be sub optimal compared to just reading more, but you still learn japanese quickly doing it because of the additional reading and listening so it's not a big deal.

>>19699797
>>19699813

this dude wasted 2 months of your time telling you guys to do something and focus exclusively on it before learning japanese and you guys don't think you're gonna waste even more time, i'm curious how you guys will try to save face after a while, i don't think it's gonna stop at 2 months wasted time

>>19699840
My bad, should've worded this better. I don't care about individual word and/or kanji. The entire sentence is written in kanji and it looks like it was written in chinese, I was asking if there is a name for this kind of thing.

>>19699893
it is chinese

>>19699840
it's not a sentence, it's a string of words
literally

>ctrl+f "matt "
>25 results
CRINGE

>>19699899
It's not, the first line is his name, the rest are valid japanese words

>>19699904
I don't need a camera anymore
DJT is my compilation now

>>19699904
who

Now that the dust has settled , RTK, KKLC or no kanji study at all?

should i quit rtk. im at 1450

>do my anki reps
>learn some grammar
>try to read nhk easy
>still impossible

When will I actually learn something? I feel like I haven't progressed at all.

>>19699926
Yes. You'll feel good after it too, can confirm as the 1700 guy.

>>19699927
When you start reading

>>19699910
i was half kidding. i don't know the words in this sentence though

https://streamable.com/l6h0h

>don't do lazy kanji. khatz is wrong!
>do lazy kanji. i was wrong!

wtf?

>>19699959
you keep making me think it's something new every single time can you stop posting that?

>>19699904

I'm quitting RTK for good this time

>>19699967
every time you laugh is a new laugh

>>19699975
quit your life lmao

When will matt agree that 10000 hours of anime is best for beginners?

>>19699995
keep spamming it

>>19699995
i'd say never cause he didn't do that himself but then again he likes giving advices he doesn't even know if they work or not so it's possible

>>19700008
If someone who studied genki and core decks for 2 years before they started reading recommended that someone else immediately start reading, would that be a bad thing?

>>19699813
>9k words
damn should have added sentences and you would have been fluent by now

>>19700015
i get what you're saying but the thing is when someone advices you to do something to get to where they are which they didn't try themselves you're running a severe risk of just wasting a bunch of time because it's a flip of a coin, it's really easy to give the example of the dude who doesn't drink water but tells you to drink water but it's rarely this axiomatic in realistic situations

>>19700030
You're right that it's a severe risk and so people should be cautious but I feel like the situation I described is just as common a situation as what happened with Matt.

>>19699934
But I can't read

>>19700043
you'd be right but it's been proven time and time again that reading an immersing is the way to learn a language, this is already pretty axiomatic, i'd consider it the same as the dude who doesn't drink water telling you to drink water, we know it's nutritious, what matt did was more like telling someone to drink this concoction that was never tried out before that he made up

Someone explain how Aedict 3 subscription work? I was able to download and use it without paying but I'm not sure if I won't be able to use it later on.

>>19700030
well there's plenty of evidence of people reading within two months started and doing pretty well. i think you can look at other people's success and failures to get a sense of what works.

>>19700058
The more you read the better you get at it. Number of hours spent consuming native content is the only stat that matters. You have wasted your time up to now.

>>19700076
yes this is exactly my point, don't do something someone tells you to that you have no evidence of ever working just because they have authority on the subject, you're running a huge risk that you need not and should not take, i hope today was a lesson to all of you not to take authority as above being wrong

Learn what you have trouble with, not what people tell you to learn.

wait what authority

>>19700026
i have been doing sentences. just simple nouns don't require any other words to understand (things like door and floor and shirt, etc.), so add them to a separate deck, then study them for their kanji value. you'll get exposure to which situations are better for similar nouns through reading (like ドア vs 扉 vs 戸).

>>19700068
why would you use that shit

>>19700093
>don't do something someone tells you to that you have no evidence of ever working just because they have authority on the subject
says no college ever

The only authority people should be quoting is /ourguy/ Steve. And even then he's kind of anti-Anki, which makes sense for learning most languages but I really disagree with in the case of Japanese where you need to internalize the readings of so many kanji compounds.

>>19700126
which is why they're stuck doing genki 2 after 3 years of studying the language and never consuming native media

>>19700133
Why? He's not even as good at Japanese as Matt.

>>19700139
because he gives advices from his experience and not some shady module he created on his mind that he doesn't even know actually works in practice

steve doesnt even piss in jugs you think i care what he has to say

>>19700133
if you arent reading them they arent worth memorizing in favor of just spending more time with real nihongo

worry about the little gaps after youre fluent if youre really that gay

also lol at having stupid language learning heroes

no wonder you guys are so fuckin doomed

i'm quitting rtk and starting a sentence mining deck starting tomorrow. what is a good number of items to add per day to anki that is sustainable and not turn into a waste of time like 1-3 years in the future? can anyone with an anki deck that has been going for longer than a year comment? i was thinking 10-20 sentences a day. khatz says 50 a day but i've done that before and ended up deleting the deck because it took up too much of my daily time (1+ hour to complete the reviews)

https://streamable.com/xv5cb
>>19700166
don't start mining until you know how to select what to mine, just look up words while reading and then move on to continue reading
it's going to be very painful and it's going to be tempting to select "Easy" sentences that you understand and grind them in isolation but it's counterproductive to do anything outside of reading and listening when it's still painful to read/listen, it will only cultivate a habit of reading/listening for the sake of mining

>>19700179
https://streamable.com/l6h0h

>>19700179
i already know how to mine sentences. i was just taking a break from mining to do rtk but i dont care anymore. i want to go back to mining. just looking for advice for number of items to add per day that scales well long-term

>>19700198
however many you want

>>19700198
don't worry too much about it but try to keep at at least 10 a day so you at least constantly have something to learn every day other than reviewing, that's what i do, words and not sentences though cause i'm not a fucking retard

>>19700222
i guess ill go for 10 a day, and do up to 20 max a day if i feel like adding more. 10 is really easy to do and doesnt tire you out (the card creation process)

What is written here?

>>19700259
"your gay"

>>19700119
What would you use for android then?

>>19700139
he always says things like "From my experience" or "At least that's how it worked for me" in his videos. even he knows he doesn't get the final say. he gives his own experience and lets you decide for yourself.

>>19700238
don't cap a max or whatever, that sounds like a terrible idea, keep a minimum but do as many as you can do a day, if you feel like you can do 30 in a day then you should because that speeds up the process

>>19700259
お前もな　maybe?

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/k10011578931000/k10011578931000.html

Has anyone read this today? I scoff at people who say Japan is weird but this is kinda off

>>19700259
>>19700294
Not maybe. Quite certainly.

>>19700294
Fuck, I kept thinking the part below お is そ. Thanks.

Am I correct in my understanding of Lazy Kanji that it's sort of like doing RTK or KKLC while only focusing on the keyword and not a story? That is sort of my approach for KKLC right now. I look at the Kanji + keyword (and for obvious ones I memorize that it looks like so-and-so thing), write it 5 times in my notebook together with the keyword and then I check the vocabulary for familiar words. The Anki deck I then use switch between Kanji as front and keyword as front. So perhaps not entirely Lazy Kanji, but sort of...

I write them once as a memory aid, but I'm not anal about learning stroke order and being able to write it from memory. I supplement my Kanji study with vocab from Genki (because I've gone through it in the past due to college course) + grammar,listening, watching and reading.

Not sure if it's a good approach, but it feels okay-ish so far.

>>19700300
>swinging babies
isn't that dangerous?

being alive is dangerous

a hearty crying baby is a sign that it is in good health

>>19700339
Lazy Kanji is kanji->keyword(s), and you ideally stop partway through instead of doing All The Kanji because its purpose is to make kanji stop looking like scribbles.

Because of that, KKLC is a lot better than RTK for Lazy Kanji.

>>19700347
I thought so too. Seems that if the baby doesn't cry when they see the sumo's face they shake em? What gives?

>still haven't learned katakana

>>19700139
>Why?
He tells you to do tried and true methods (that are better) while Matt tells you do to stuff he didn't do himself that even he realizes now are stupid and needlessly difficult.

>He's not even as good at Japanese as Matt.
Yes he is, his Japanese is just a bit rusty because he doesn't use it every day.

steves better than matt hands down free not even a conversation

I wanted to start reading Japanese literature to expand my vocabulary and to practice grammar. However, I find it difficult to verify whether my understanding/translation is correct. Grammar books and anki decks always had a translation of the text examples, but with real books that's not the case. Would it be worthwhile to try reading books translated from English to Japanese and then compare with the original when in doubt? Or should I just come to terms with the fact that I will not always understand, at least at the beginning, what I am reading?

>>19700339
he literally didn't say any method. he just said "lazy kanji" and expects everyone to know what that even means.

just read "let's learn kanji," to build up a small radical base and learn "stroke order." you can eventually guess them with near perfect accuracy after the first 50 kanji or so, with very few exceptions.

steve hasn't gotten as much input as matt so sadly he's very far behind, not to mention he's rusty after not consuming japanese for 40 years

>>19698746
must use higher-level language in kanji mode

>>19700390
When you encounter a grammar point you never learned, Google it or look for it in a grammar dictionary. If it's something you learned, go back to the guide you read and try to understand. If you still don't get it, either Google to see if it's slang or keep going.

>>19700402
>steve hasn't gotten as much input as matt
Steve actually went outside when he lived in Japan, making use of his time there.
His Japanese was probably better than Matt's when he still used it every day. Now he's got a dozen other languages he maintains.

>>19700390
you wont understand a lot of things but youll learn a lot of things

but you need to be processing solely with japanese

if youre using another language in any capacity go directly back to unko chan

>>19700280
I use droidwing with the two big J-J dicts and the kenkyuusha dict. If these don't have something then it's probably some modern slang which I usually check on google.

no ones actually stupid enough to think matt has better japanese in any capacity than steve right

>>19700437
>Steve actually went outside when he lived in Japan, making use of his time there.
it doesn't matter. matt listened to dense audio for 13 hours a day for more than 5 years. steve lived in japan for 9 years but IRL you don't get as much exposure as you do by just listening to podcasts and shows constantly.

>>19698631
Names of anime characters and anime titles obviously. Then there’s reading stuff at the store that is in hiragana.

>>19700452
so why is steve objectively so much better

>>19700452
Living your life in Japanese, when you actually do it instead of living in a gaijin bubble, is higher quality input than just consuming media. Of course you want to do both, but you can't compare them directly by the hours. Steve consumed books, newspapers, and documents in Japanese while living there too.

If I have a card in anki that's unseen and toward the end of the deck, is there a way for me to select it in the browser and "move it up the queue" and study it right now?

ill tell you why steves so much better

because he went with the current

you can walk against the current for however many years you want (matt ~~~~vs~~~~~ japan) but the current will never change direction to match you

you can only let it carry you or struggle in vain

>>19700390
when you come to something you don't know, write down all possibilities that you can think of and look for clues to rule things out. don't waste too long though because you might not have enough information right away, which you might naturally pick up from reading something else. also you can google for evidence if you really want to know.

also I know I'll be shit on for this, but you can also look for reoccurring patterns in dictionary example sentences to support what you think might be true (like you see a reoccurring pattern in a translation 100 times in jisho, its probably not an error).

>>19700360
Yeah, most of the KKLC Anki deck i use is Kanji -> keywords, just that some of the cards feature the keywords only. In those cases I mainly try to visualize what the Kanji looks like. Would you suggest taking a break from KKLC at something like 1200 Kanji then? It also seems to be that swiftly going through it to build a "non-squiggly line base", is more important than high retention?

>>19700446
>J-J dicts
Please I'm trying to learn Japanese. I need more vocabulary/Kanji to even start J-J dictionaries. If I could I'd already be reading Japanese.

Why davido-kun can't speak japanese? He lives there for fucks sake.

Official djt mascots.

デイブs speaking it in heaven with 神様

>>19700526
We need a Chad Steve vs Virgin Matt picture

>>19700544
no we really dont

Everyone is just posting ironically right? Must be nothing else to do today.

>>19700544
The virgin meme requester the chad denier
>>19700551

>>19700554
I have no idea who Matt is, but it's fun to shitpost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylbmc1hAofg#t=71

official djt themesong

>>19700554
i have something due today and have stayed up all night to work on it. just drank a 2 litter coke to stay up and finish, but dont want to anymore. now im just shit posting trying to forget. wired but tired

>>19700362
>神社では赤ちゃんの元気な泣き声と、見ている人たちの笑い声が続いていました。

毎日日本語スレの前は千をしない

your babys not genki unless its cryin whats so hard to understand

>>19700544
This one is close.

>>19700671
あの笑い人の顔ww

>>19700512
kenkyuusha is j-e look it up UNKO-san

shut up retard ww

>>19700715
笑う*

it's not the babies, its the people finding this amusing. is it really worth the risk of dropping them your kid or giving them brain damage?

Is it a waste of time to write down every new word and kanji you come across reading to potentially review later or should you just keep reading without doing those and hope that the prolonged exposure will render those efforts useless?

Reminder that /DJT/ is one of the places with the best overall accepted methods on learning Japanese.

>YouTube full of pedophiles trying to meet young girl e-celebs
>Gaia full of people who don't know Japanese offering to teach others Japanese
>/r/learningjapanese literally 10 years behind on their methods

>>19700700
>deleted HelloTalk because he didn't get a reply after sending a single message
don't forget the polygot deleted his HelloTalk because he couldn't get anything done with all the boob he was getting

>>19700776
Keyword here being overall since a newbie walking into DJT at different periods of time will encounter conflicting views.

>>19700776
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxjZM-d_ShI#t=7

>>19700776
>accepted
I don't rely on authority figures. My intuition says that reading doesn't work.

>>19700800
Yeah but at least you're allowed to have conflicting viewpoints, that means there's growth.

>>19700773
the secret is to justsdaffdafdscxvxvcdx

enjoying gaia in 2018 is a fairly dope and epic thing to do

>>19700831
The only thing to do is pinball and puzzles though. Sometimes watch movies.

>>19700722
No you fuck off with your bad advice.

>>19700831
>Enjoying
I wouldn't say that, anon. This UMR avatar is sick beats though.

>>19700855
Yeah but why is it low quality?

>>19700855
just play maple story

>>19700859
>Why is it low quality?
Gaia probably can't afford pngs anymore.
>>19700870
Nexon sucks, anon.

>>19700893
>あなたの名前はですか
do people really use は immediately before です? sounds wrong

>>19700939
its incredibly wrong and fucked lol

matt would prolly say it

>>19698952
>but several years passed where I just kept starting phases of ''''''''learning'''''''' Japanese which lasted several weeks to a month each, before I would quit and take several months off only to repeat the cycle all over again.
Fucking this but with drawing. There's just too much other cool stuff that I want to learn...

>>19700166
sentence mining is pointless all sentences are unique. Mine expressions if they have unintuitive meanings but whole sentences is pointless

>>19700939
No, nobody does that. This is just an example of a beginner trying to be a good person by teaching other beginners.
You also don't pronounce ま as "my"

>>19700951
Just draw.

>>19700825
What's this site called?

>>19700956
You don’t, but my-e works pretty well for まえ.

>>19700893

you know, for some reason 私もです does sound right though.

>>19700980
でもそれは良い？

>>19700956
>you also don't pronounce ま as my

>>19700952
its just an easy way to learn vocab. i dont like pure vocab cards, i dont like not using anki, and sentences are kind of fun if you do it right

>>19700980
Because it is, and so is が.

>>19700979

>>19700979
Never seen this one before.

>>19700988
わからないけど、検索すると見えます。

https://jisho.org/search/%E7%A7%81%E3%82%82%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99%20%23sentences

https://www.google.co.jp/search?source=hp&ei=UKN5W8TBFYfWjwSTxa-QBw&q=%E7%A7%81%E3%82%82%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99&oq=%E7%A7%81%E3%82%82%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99&gs_l=psy-ab.3...0.0.2.142.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.nhPhxloA3QU

https://ejje.weblio.jp/sentence/content/%22%E7%A7%81%E3%82%82%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99%22

>>19701009
would 見える or 見られる be more appropriate in that situation? i'm actively searching, but not hard.

わたしもゲイ

where can i find a list of at least the 4000 most frequent kanji

>>19701028
グーグル

a newspaper

>>19701034
wow thanks it worked.
https://foosoft.net/projects/kanji-frequency/
now i just need to find a way to compare it with a list of kanji i already have, using excel.

>>19700979
Was the translation too hard for the bottom part?

I only just realized iOS has other Japanese keyboards. Finally no more kana typing anymore.

this entire thread is going into my cringe compilation

your entire cringe compilation is going into my cringe compilation

>>19701081

lets just cringe together みんなhttps://streamable.com/l6h0h

>>19701063
More like 出来ないたち wouldn’t be able to read it.

>>19701096


>>19701105
not clicking that

all your past present and future posts are going into my cringe compilation dont even bother i already wrote the script

>>19701147
Just got to make you run out of hard drive space then.

私には深すぎる

>>19701154
we in the cloud boys

>>19701154
just encrypt your data with the LHC

>>19701190
*compress

just encringe your data by posting itt

here's a diagram for

look at these fuckin honkers

>>19701219
seisyun truly is wonderful

>>19701225

Hey guys, I think my brain is fucked. I have bad eyesight and now when letter are far away they start to turn into hiragana. What to do?
Is my brain defective?

>>19701245
go to a neurologist or reddit whichever is easier for you

>>19700989
>名前
>nah-my

>>19701256
I have a neurologist 8/28 already because of other issues. I will talk to him about it.

>>19701245
You have a lazy eye. Your neurological processing for text-like shapes is underdeveloped. Prescription: more reading practice, in all writing systems.

>>19701299
what? My actual job pretty much forces me to read all day.

>>19701341
I'm shitposting.

>>19701344

>>19701225
たくさんおおきやだです

>>19701236
かんぺき

this morning this thread was so good

>>19701411
それはうそだ

>>19699221
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TekgFhhEBEM

>>19701385
これはアホギャルですか

>>19701245
>>19701341
>bad eyesight
>job is to read all day
Really makes me think

whats the fastest way to watch 10000 hours of subbed anime so i can finally stop chasing waterfalls and just learn japanese

>>19701468
watch 100 anime at the same time for four days plus four hours.

>>19701468
Play ten anime at the same time at 128x speed.

>>19701451
はい。アホギャルです。

>>19699104
What’s wrong with that? They're easy to ignore

>>19701468

>>19701492

>>19701467

>you will never be nihonjin

>>19701507
yea and no matter what they'll always see you as an outsider, which you are.

>>19701518
bleh, not like i'll ever get to go there anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG0kSuYfDWA#t=427 lmfao got dang

>>19701544
死ねしないでください生きて絶対に行きる私を信じる

>>19701610
what the FUCk is ur problem mate

there are 40 matches for the word 'matt' in this thread, so you guys are basically obsessed with it and because of that fact I'd like to ask you what kind of prep JLPT book could have he been talking about in the video?

>>19674189
>>19674205
just add one card per page. thats what i do and it works

>>19701502
>キャプチャー
You got me there

>>19701625
who?

>>19701625
誰？

>>19699356
this was my contribution

>>19699709
>>19699959
>>19700196
>>19701105
lmao

>>19701666
I didn't notice it was the same link each time.

>>19701624
timmy

>>19701610
not gonna seppuku or anything, but i dont like the long work hours they want gaijin to have

>>19701666
still not going to click that

>>19701675
gaijins are actually exempt from everything that japanese people have to do as part of gay tradition

youre perma celebrity status among young people should you choose to use it wisely

>>19701695
> youre perma celebrity status among young people should you choose to use it wisely
That applies only to whites

>>19701687
idfc ┐(‘～` )┌

>>19701695
>>19701705
Damn.

>>19701705
it applies to caucasians and blacks (of all kinds, not just african)

>>19701705
he said people

>>19701705
not really it encompasses all non asians

>>19701695
guess i could just go live in an abandoned building or something

actually, i saw some guy on youtube who just went there with a bike and slept in parks for three months. not sure if they'd like that though.

>>19701748
dont do that

Literally how are you supposed to sign contracts as a filthy Gaijin without knowing competent Japanese? This stuff is riddled with so much kanji and long written out sentences that you might as well be signing away your life.

>>19701709
dfctydfc

>>19701748

>>19701774
>>19701795

>>19701777
just go to hr and be like hey yo can i get this in some eigo お願いします

ok djt, I've finally done it. I've learned all kataganas and am about to dive head-first into genki. wish me luck

>>19701781
idfc ┐(‘～` )┌

>>19701839
idfc ┐(‘～` )┌

>>19701820
it wont dont be a fuckin bum

>>19698723
>>19699849
Manga isn't reading though.

I'm using capture2text for quite some time now and it works kinda okay but the dictionaries are outdated.
I've tried manually updating .traineddata from the tesseract project and text recognition becomes better but in the output it adds spaces after every kanji so instead of "体操競技" it outputs "体 操 競 技".
It feels like it could be fixable with the tesseract config file but I have no idea how to do it. Maybe anyone here knows how or is there a better tool for OCRing japanese?

>>19701898
preserve_interword_spaces 1

>>19701880
It's a nice prep.

Has anyone ever made a core 2K/6K memrise course?

>>19701944
did you try googling it?

>>19701955
Yeah, all I could find was some weird course's course that requires you to use a bunch of external resources at the same time.

>Trying to read romaji for the first time since I started learning Japanese almost a year ago
Holy shit I can't believe I was ever enough of a pleb to type in romaji. I'm sorry for my sins

>>19701974
youre going to feel this way every once in a while for the rest of your life

>>19701974
sore ha ookee desu

>>19702023
>desu
did you mean: t b h

>>19702032

>>19701910
This works great, thanks.
I suppose there's no workaround withing the capture2text itself to use two separate .traineddata dictionaries for horizontal and vertical text?
I'm using this to get the latest dictionary and they're split to horizontal and vertical: https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tessdata_best

>>19701974
Normal japanese with kanji and kana is easy mode
Understanding only romaji is hard mode
Play some older multiplayer games without unicode support on japanese servers and try to keep up with the chat

give up

i can't remember why i started japanese in the first place. i vaguely remember wanting to watch anime while multitasking. i thought it would be fun to be able to actually look at the entire show and not just the bottom of the screen. i thought that the kanji looked cool too. i have been amazed by kanji ever since that episode of case closed where conan is solving a puzzle with kanji. i was amazed to learn that they were so complex and had many hidden meanings among them. but those feelings have long sense departed from the miserable person that i am today. when i see kanji, i don't think "how cool," i think "wtf did this mean again?" i'm constantly reminded of my failures every time i watch an anime, even if its subbed. hell, just hearing any foreign language does nothing but piss me off anymore. heres some advice for all you kids out there who think they want to know japanese: learn to code, or learn to build things. learn things that will be useful. when you've come as far as i have, you start to realize, learning japanese isn't what it seems.

>>19702179
i learned japanese because i somehow acquired just enough japanese knowledge to think i could argue about it on /a/ but kept losing arguments, so i told myself i had to learn japanese so i could dunk on people

>>19702179
>doesn't remember learning Japanese because it's cool
No idea what you mean by the last sentence though. Japanese is pretty straightforward right from the get go if you've watched enough anime. It's just a lot of memorization that one isn't prepped up for unless you have some hardcore rising up by your peers/parents.

core has been pissing me off with these last couple of words
yea thanks for teaching me "subtraction" that's really handy for me right now
i'm quitting at 1k

>>19702199
>i told myself i had to learn japanese so i could dunk on people
that was you?

>>19702228
i mean i never announced it or anything and also once i started learning japanese thanks to djt i learned the futility of arguing on the internet

>>19702227
>should have learned addition instead
三を四に足すと七になります。

>>19702227
If you don't read, core may seem useless, but once you start reading, you'll notice a lot of words from core pop up that you would have never expected.

learning how to dunk in a toilet bowl doesnt make you look any better

>>19702245
Is this really how they do it? This is interesting. I've always wanted to know how they do education in Japan and learning about how they do addition is great.

>>19702249
sure, i just really don't understand the rationale behind putting shit like "manufacturing" ahead of "dangerous" which i've encountered several times while reading now

>>19702265
馬でも足せる

>>19702273
馬なら足すことできナイ

>>19702222
> unless you have some hardcore rising up by your peers/parents
nope. had to do things the hard way.

>>19702267
Don't focus on the order, it's not as important as you think it is. You'll encounter a bunch of weird things, but there's a million ways to order things, so it doesn't really matter in the end. Just learn them.

>>19702293
you don't know japanese

(the fact that there is no right order does not mean that there are not wrong orders)

>>19702285

>>19698631
https://vndb.org/v3770

>>19702318
if thats debutopia i swear to god..

Just used Anki for the first time. Does it really only make you review the kanji once a day in the beginning? Like, am I supposed to click that "good - 1 day" button? how do the reviews even work?

>>19702326
you'll see

>>19702325
wish it was debutopia ┐(‘～` )┌

>>19702318
Interesting plot. Might pick up.

>>19702314
2足で歩いたら馬じゃない（ウマなんだから）

>>19702326
the more frequently you get a card right the longer the interval before you see it again. when you get it wrong it'll reset and then the cycle continues. the end

>>19702318
eustia is a good read and a good learning experience but your very first game should be something more expendable and down-to-earth imo

>>19698631
naurto

>>19702345
(just giving some reflection on the choice you had in reading it first btw not trying to be hostile)

>>19702337
Am I supposed to press something to tell it I got it right or wrong? The window is empty but for the kanji and furigana and I have to click "show answer"

>>19702356
does "but for" mean "except for" here

>>19702326
it doesnt make a bit of difference what button you press because this buttons not on it

>>19702359
yeah

>>19702370
okay you should've said except for

anyways that's normal, think about what flashcards are for for a few minutes and you'll get it

>>19702326
It's a bit confusing because it's largely dependent on what you feel. There's no objective way of doing it as in it's not a "right or wrong", but a "when do I want to try again and make sure it's still there". It might make more sense if you read up on space repetition and how the guy did it with paper originally.

>>19702383
Yeah but I just saw the word and letters for the first time, for example, how do I know if im gonna remember it again in a few hours if my only options are "10 minutes, 1 day, 4 days"? How do you guys do it?

>>19702403
it's in the new card queue, just press "good" and deal with it later

anki highlights which queue the current card is in if you didn't disable displaying the queue counters

I just realized I've been learning on and off since 2010 and still have so fucking much to learn.