/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Learning Japanese is fun!

That was a long break, I couldn't stand waiting around without DJT.

Today's idiom, and the ardour with which we should be studying:

鑿壁偸光

i was so scared djt was gone for good this time

Wow, I thought DJT was dead FOREVER

So I just found this thread yesterday more or less by accident and I must say that this is amazing. Especially the resources in the OP, the guide by tae kim is huge and very informative.
I used to learn japanese when I was 13 for around half a year and just recently picked it up again.
A question that I have is: what's the most efficient way to learn the polite/casual forms of verbs and their conjugations? Do you first learn the polite form+conj or both at the same time?

>>19689030
Just say "desu" at the end of every sentence

>>19689030
>what's the most efficient way to learn the polite/casual forms of verbs and their conjugations?
read more

>>19689030
Efficiency is a meme. Just speak Japanese and someone will correct you.

>>19689030
Learn them in whatever order your grammar guide teaches them.

>>19689030
>what's the most efficient way to learn the polite/casual forms of verbs and their conjugations?
one flash card for each conjugation for each verb

>>19689035
that's not how that works desu~

>>19689040
Have any specific recommendations?

>>19689051
Don't have anyone to speak to unfortunately.. My brother used to have a qt nipp gf but that was some 3 years ago

>>19689053
>>19689057
Sound advice, thanks

>>19688913
何だこのスレ画
エロ漫画・エロ同人誌にしか興味無いのかよ、クソ外人!!

>>19689048
お？"このスレにはゴミしかいない"という揶揄か？
面白いな

This grants me the will to keep on living.

>>19689207
core10k with cute anime girls never

>>19689200
yep. even my post right now is trash

>>19689207
No lie Japanese girls have some of the fattest legs I've ever seen, including girls that are not otherwise fat at all. They have some crazy ass leg genetics

>>19689207
Hows the picture that is attached to that card

>>19689232
Then there's the ones who are complete sticcs. Disgusting. The worst is when perfectly thick ones think they have to be as skinny as those sticcs.

Guys, how much do you recommend AJATT?
I've seen some anons talking about this and was wondering.

おにいちゃんおふろいこ

きょうおふろにいくのがせいぎ

>>19689240
Anyone who posts in this thread at all isn't doing AJATT.

>>19689240
I've tried to use the website but couldn't understand it at all. It feels like someone trying to sell me something but happens that there's nothing there to buy and I was left really confused.

I think it's just a blog where you can get learning tips, I didn't find a sctructured studying program.

>>19689240
ajatt is literally just interpreting things however you want. by not getting corrected, you start to believe the first bullshit that pops in your head.

>>19689253
>by not getting corrected, you start to believe the first bullshit that pops in your head.
Until you run into a situation where your interpretation doesn't work and you're forced to amend it.

>>19689240
AJATT is for those who like participating in cults. It may or may not be effective at learning Japanese, but that's not the point at all. Much like Crossfit.

>>19689259
So it's like no-fap.

>>19689257
linguists have a term for this. forgot what it was called, but apparently there are several situations where you have a greater chance of spontaneously combusting before running into a contradiction in the wild. someone has to correct you. it's just a simple mathematical fact that ecelebs exploit for profit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YM09fqr6Abg&t=0s&index=2&list=PLINFE8v4DOhu_3LutLwJWetAhdcCrBF4X
best sensei ever
just watch 30 seconds and you will know what i mean

i think i'll learn japanese this time

>>19689259
It's a big step in the right direction. I use it as a loose guideline and good resource but I wouldn't get into their community.

>>19689274
why do i feel like she has so much fun in life?

>>19689106
>Have any specific recommendations?
You don't need and shouldn't want people to tell you what to read. You're a free man (or woman), read what's specifically interesting to you and don't worry about what others think you should be reading instead. The most important thing at the end of the day is that your reading material is fun, and if it isn't then you need to drop it and find something that is. The only advice I'll give you on this front is that, generally speaking, anything with a slice of life focus should be on the easier end of the spectrum, but that's "easy" in relative terms and you should still expect a significant challenge from it if the first thing you've ever read in Japanese. Besides that, things which are convenient for you to read (e.g. because they make word look-ups quick and easy) are good because you're likely to spend more time reading them than things which are a pain in the ass.

Also, learn to take things people say in these threads with a degree of scepticism. What might seem like "sound advice" is in reality often not, and a lot of the people in these threads who tell you with an air of authority to "do X" and "do Y" are people at the exact same level as you who are just parroting seemingly "sound advice" that they've heard from others. Worse still, there are cases where people deliberately give bad advice to newcomers just for the sake of trolling them. I guess you didn't realize because you're new, but every post in response to yours was a shitpost.

>>19689261
no fap is total retardation imo.. You can use your faps to give yourself free rewards that make you think you're achieving things

>>19689232
Probably because their legs are often on the shorter side so it gives them the appearance of being thicker.

>>19689282
How do I have so much fun in life like her?

>>19689286
>You can use your faps to give yourself free rewards that make you think you're achieving things
200 IQ?!

>>19689286
Yeah, I mean it's like no-fap because no-fap is like a cult too. People believe there's something magical about it, that by not fapping you can achieve a new level of mental concentration and this sort of shit.

It's all placebo at the end, not even a single serious scientific study has ever proved this crap and everytime they claim to have "scientific reasons", it's just a bunch of crap written by someone in reddit with 0 scientific resources.

Maybe AJATT is like this, I didn't know. I read somewhere he tells you to get rid of every non-japanese media you own, like literally throw them away kek
Yeah, I guess I'll stick with our method. I'm sick of those placebo cults.

>>19689283
"read more" is not a shitpost

>>19689240
It obviously works if you can see it through, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's flawless. For instance, I think the whole sentence cards thing is a bad idea (slow, the sentences give too much context allowing you to recall words you would've otherwise not remembered, there's a risk of mining sentences containing grammatical errors without realizing it, etc.). Go watch BritvsJapan's video where he shows himself making cards for his sentence deck. It's enough to make you want to shoot yourself.

Basically the reason AJATT works is the massive amount of listening and reading. Everything else about it you can and should tweak to your own tastes (though AJATT cultists may try to burn you at the stake for doing so).

Guys, please help.

I was on the other thread asking about if Anki is necessary or not. I've been studying ("studying") for 1 year already and 0 progress was done. Everytime I start Anki, Anki is basically all I do in my japanese studies because it take time and I always feel I could be doing something else instead of wasting that time. Also, I always end up procrastinating like a cunt and need to restart it all because it feels muri to catch up without wasting hundreds of time.

So, my first step was reading Tae Kim's guide. It's been a year so I already forgot it all, can I just read the new grammar guide instead? The itazuraneko's one.

After this step, I tried to do Anki. Went absolutely wrong and I already wasted a whole year doing this fucking shit and couldn't achieve even 50% of my first deck. Anki was literally ALL I did. Didn't read a single piece of crap. Is there another way? I pretty much prefer things I can watch (like YouTube) instead of flashcards. The problem is I have no clue about what should I do instead.

>>19689344
>For instance, I think the whole sentence cards thing is a bad idea (slow, the sentences give too much context allowing you to recall words you would've otherwise not remembered
I agree with this, I actually hold my eyes closed and just listen to the audio of flash cards because even the kanji will give context. I only open my eyes if I really can't get it.

>>19688308
Where's イチモツ and 分身? Those are my favorites.

read more
listen too
don't learn what people tell you to learn, learn what you have trouble with

>>19689322
I don't agree with Steve about the monolingual dictionaries although that's probably because I'm not a native English speaker. I've found it easier to grasp the meaning from the Japanese definition which is usually more like a sentence unlike the English definition which is often just a word and a bunch of synonyms to that word.

>>19689359

>>19689322
Who's the guy on the right?

>>19689364
No idea, probably some 4channer considering he's in a basement with printed out manga panels glued to the walls.

>>19689361
the thing is, if you're a native english speaker, bilingual definitions are often literally what you want, even at high levels

if I see 暗号文, I want to know that it literally means "ciphertext", not read a description of what it means

https://kotobank.jp/word/%E6%9A%97%E5%8F%B7%E6%96%87-429183

>>19689350

>>19689350
Get yourself into the habit of reading every day. That's the most important thing. Once you've been at it for a month or whatever and got into the habit of it, then try adding Anki into your studies (using it to mine rather than doing pre-made decks). You're free to drop Anki at any time, but never stop reading and listening (really, Anki's greatest function is making you pay more attention to the words that you encounter while reading, so the word you see is no longer just a random word in a sea of others but is now "that word from my deck").

>So, my first step was reading Tae Kim's guide. It's been a year so I already forgot it all, can I just read the new grammar guide instead? The itazuraneko's one.
Just give Tae Kim a skim through before you start reading. Alternatively, you can just use it as a reference when you run into a grammar construction that you've forgotten. Don't waste too much time fretting over grammar guides though; True intuitive understanding of grammar only comes from reading and listening.

>I already wasted a whole year doing this fucking shit and couldn't achieve even 50% of my first deck.
Words are a lot more memorable when you've encountered them in the wild and can recall specific contexts that you've seen them in.

>>19689322
just watched some videos of the guy on the left. why do people here shit on him?

>>19689371
Words like that are of course an exception.

>>19689399
those are basically the only kind of word I look up though
are you telling me that bilingual definitions start making sense when you're advanced?

>>19689390
>why do people here shit on him?
They don't. Steve is broadly loved here.

>>19689390
The only people who shit on Steve are the people who shit all of those guys for being "e-celebs"

>>19689389
Thanks a lot. So the most important stuff is to read? Even though I didn't even finish 50% of the Core2K/6K?
I guess I'll start reading even without reading the grammar guide again, then.

But at the time I'm studying by reading, how should I face kanji? Should I do RtK at the same time I'm reading then?

>>19689419
They're right, you know.

>>19689442
No they're not, they just hate anyone or anything popular.

>So that's how it works. You plod along, putting one foot before the other, look up, and suddenly, there you are. Right where you wanted to be all along.

Make the JP-JP switch as soon as reasonably possible, boys. AJATT might actually be worth something if you immerse yourself in this particular sort of stuff frequently instead of Mangoes and Anime you don't understand.

It feels like the more I hear that I can actually understand (like pic related) the easier it is to understand other things.

Is there any resource for listening material?

>>19689486
anime

>>19689629
Anime isn't listening

>樹サマ
>きさま
>貴様

>>19689501
Is this a new version or an older one? I know older versions went outside the mansion.

Which Pokemon game is the most fun to play while being easy to set up on the modern computers?

>>19689769
Anything with an emulator. Game boy advanced is quite popular, so pokemon saphire, ruby or emerald are nice.

>>19689778
Thanks, should check it out

>>19689758
this one is the latest version of 青鬼3. it has the same characters as the first two, which is why 卓郎 didn't make it outside in that picture

>>19689402
Well for example definition for 後退る is more clear to me than the English one.

>驚きや恐れなどのために、前を向いたままうしろへさがる。
vs
>to retreat; to back off; to draw back; to step back; to shrink away​

>>19689769

Start from scratch

ねむねむもぐもぐ太るポケモンの名前は？

>>19689838
This definition is great because it literally spells it out instead of using various synonyms.

This is also why 日本語の森 is great, because ユキ先生 spells EVERYTHING OUT in great detail to the point where you don't even get to argue about what a word means, it's just... what it is, with no english between you and the word.

>>19689322
Never knew Steve was this based.

>>19689322
>Steve has been around for several decades and has actually had time to get good at several languages
>Matt is too busy collecting piss bottles to even get good at one

>>19689461
the videos are pretty good, but do all the moris have autism?

>>19689919
普通な日本人だけだよ

>>19689919
この映像はどんな感情が表れてると思う？

Does anyone here have the link for the "new guide" we used to have?
I don't mean the actual new (itazuraneko) guide, I mean a guide called "new guide" which had a warn telling to not link it to OP's post to not confuse beginners.

>>19690053
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/alternativeguide.html

>>19690039
違和感の興奮

>>19690062
Was this one? I mean, the link is definitely different but I don't remember if the content was the same.

Thanks anyway!

>>19690039
プロレスラーの真似だろ
発奮しているのだろう

>>19690108
yes it's a copy of https://neodjt.neocities.org/newguide.html with a single FAQ entry modified to be slightly clearer

i think ive reached a point where im just not going to go to do this, one move for a week or 2 and suddenly like 10-15 hours of staring at flash cards. time to make a new deck and just read, i only had like 40 new cards anyways left in core6k

>>19690404
Listen
Read
Be exposed to words often
Only flashcard words that aren't common enough, or Kanji you won't see often enough

What is so hard about this?

まあああ
よくわかんない
やくしてください！

>>19690404
what's it like being a failure?

>>19690513
living on my own feels great how about you

>>19690513
they probably know more japanese than you do, mate

>>19690518
gonna be back within a year with that attitude
>>19690523
lol

おにいちゃんの

いまの

おし

マイナーまんが

おしえてください

I finished reading through the pomax guide to grammar, but obviously I didn't take it all in. What happens now? Should I just read and refer back when I encounter something I do not understand, grammar-wise?

>>19690611
go back in time and read https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/ instead

>>19690611
Yes, you're going to be constantly needing reinforcement no matter what guide you used. Over time it sticks better (obviously)

>>19690613
I'll go through that too then. I was being payed to read anyway.

>>19690624
oh nice

>>19690404
>Anon makes the move to reading
Congratulations on your evolution, anon.

This is -Sama, a generic high term of respect for someone in an unusual profession. If you met a person that created a wooden sheep that was squeezing a single grain of rice out of its ass, you'd definitely call that person -sama. Because that is impressive.

I wonder what natives think about shitty mnemonics for phonetic radicals.

>>19689274
なんやこいつ…かわええな

i refuse to believe there isnt a single spy here whos ripping maats patreon exclusive videos
i know at least one of you disgusting fucks are paying him so make yourself useful

>>19690941
>Paying him money so you can sit through is 3 hour long video that has 5 minutes worth of "information"
These aren't Steve videos that take 10 minutes, you're wasting a large chunk of the day you could be using to study.

>>19690941
people accuse me of being a shill but i never have and never will join his patreon, and i've never posted comments on his videos or contacted him or anything. i just think people say some clearly stupid shit about him and correct them occasionally. sorry man.

>>19690941
You can find many of his unlisted videos from youtube if you know how to search. They are all shit though, about meditation etc. I dont dare to post them here but search for "matt vs japan" playlist etc and youll find people who have made playlists which contain these videos

Is there an OCR that outputs japanese definitions?

>>19691037
You should find out what ocr means first.

>"At what point did you feel like you understood most of what you were hearing"..... It completely depends on what I was watching. I could understand easy slice of life animes almost 100% after a year, but things like science fiction took much longer.
Time to buckle up and start doing 2+ hours of active listening every day boys.

>>19691007
>if you know how to search
teach me fampai

>>19690996
Do people really play dating games?

What's the difference between a semantic and phonetic radical?

>>19691073
don't be a fucking idiot
do rtk

>>19691058
It's a jrpg, you fight izanami in that game.

>>19689322
imagine being this gay

>>19691058
dating games dont really exist like they used to now because everythings just skip the doki doki love part and go to the hame hame sex part

Yes, Matt, what's what he meant.

>>19691073
phonetic radicals means that they're part of the character because the character has (or at least did have centuries ago) the same pronunciation as another character to which that phonetic radical belongs. the original semantic meaning of the radical has no bearing on the meaning of the character it belongs to

>>19691096
Are you trolling?

>>19691112
Yes, what I actually means it that Matt is taking the quote out of proportion but I decided to make it a joke by saying the opposite and satirically agreeing with Matt. You're very clever to have spotted my ruse.

>>19691088
dont forget mara

>>19691096
i cant tell whos gayer you or him

>>19691043
You are a retard if you don't understand what I mean. Kanjitomo gives definitions. So does that android app. I want something that does that in japanese.

>>19691073
phonetic is more sound based similarities and semantic is more meaningful

>>19691073
>剣 験 険 検
>「けん」という発音
>湖 泳 津 波 池
>水についての言葉で使われている

Time to start the 10 hour Anki session, lets get it

>>19691144
>>19691108
I see, arigatou very much

>>19691143
Whatever it is you described isn't ocr, friend.

>>19691182
Epic dude

doesnt matter what it is cause youre still retarded at the end of the day mate

>>19691197
I don't get it, don't you already have what you want?

>>19691197
>java
Enjoy your turbobloat lmao

Does someone want to help me translate this sticker which I think is japanese?

>>19691280
せいぎ

>>19691280
Where did you find it?

>>19691280
nope but i know what it means thanks to rtk

>>19691280
its the kanji for im and faggot put together to create "im faggot"

>>19691313
The important part is knowing how to say it is, which can only be acquired through kun/on study.

>>19691280
正
義

how do you get 止 with the line across the top of it

>>19691327
yea but i'll never confuse these characters which is great. now i can just pick up on readings by reading a lot.

>>19691340
Use the same pen you used to draw the other lines.

>>19691341
the lengths people go to justify wasting time not learning japanese is incredible lmfao

anons, where's the super key for the top row or whatever

>>19691306
>せいぎ
A new year (says google)?

>>19691307
It was in a pack of stickers

>>19691313
Sorry, but I haven't (yet) learned japanese so I can't even guess to what it would mean

>>19691322
That's why I won't use it before I know what it means

>>19691334
Thank you very much, this way I can find the meaning myself!

>>19691362
Stick it on a baseball bat and go around beating human trash.

>>19691360
alt, ctrl, win key, win key, shift

>>19691355
no i definitely needed it since characters just looked like random indiscernible lines. but now that i did this i can finally learn japanese so it's OK.

>>19691378
but you won't cause you kept getting cold feet about jumping into the language and did all the prepwork

>>19691384
no trust me learning the actual language is easier because you just need to use a hover dictionary over words and stuff, which is boring but you at least start to comprehend material that you find interesting, and that context makes those words more memorable. and you feel good about your progress. whereas with rtk you have to do really boring memorization of characters and stories you don't care about. so because i did rtk, learning japanese will be a piece of cake.

>>19691362
It just means 'justice'

>>19691096
Matt is a person who is easy to fall for with his good looks and amazing personality, but he can be extremely hard to read. When you spend time with him he's sweet and lovable but when your away from each other you'll be confused if he even likes you as a friend or not. And not to mention you'll miss him like crazy. When matt DOES have a girlfriend, he will be a very good boyfriend, and treat her well. BEWARE because matt will leave you confused for a LONG time, and you won't be able to give up or forget about him.

>>19691432
what's this pasta from?

>start mining a week ago
>literally 100% retention rate on mined cards at 15 cards/day
Wait so it wasn't a meme? I don't even remember the context in which I mined specific words, how does this make sense? My usual retention for new cards is 85-90% with core

>>19691401
>so because i did rtk, learning japanese will be a piece of cake.
lol, i can see why you'd think that considering you haven't started learning japanese yet but when you start struggling to read stuff made for children and reading phrases and having no idea what it means maybe that'll change your cognition, or not, maybe you'll just pretend rtk gave you some magical advantage like the rest of the shills despite not being particularly any better than the average fag here

>>19691401
seriously, just make a deck of simple nouns that cover each of the jouyou kanji (3 words per kanji), then write them all. start slow until you memorize a lot of radicals, then speed up as new kanji get easier. before writing a new word, learn the meaning (you don't need to know jap grammar at this point to understand these). bam now you know all jouyou kanji + 9k nouns and can intuitively guess pronunciation / meaning for unknown words while reading.

also you can spawn the kanji you see while reading by typing a word the kanji is used in and deleting the extra characters.

>>19691443
>maybe that'll change your cognition
i have to keep open to this possibility but i don't see it happening because that's still so much better than rtk.

>>19691444
Just do core2k while going through TK and start reading at 1000 words or so you fucking imbeciles.

>>19691401
you post was good until you said you did rtk and it would make japanese a piece of cake

>>19691471
>thinking grammar can never be done at the same time as isolated kanji study

why do people study grammar, seriously 10000 hours of subbed anime fixes this

>>19691487
Putting your strawman to the side, isolated kanji study as a beginner is fucking stupid.

>>19691405
seigi is used a lot or maybe i just watch a lot of kamen rider and Super Sentai also wow google teanslation is shit if it cant even get this word right

>>19691504
You probably meant せいき。

you probably mean seishi or seieki

you probably meant わたしはゲイ

>>19691496
Because they want to learn the language?

>>19691475
well true i still have a long way to go through rtk but the point is that if you can do something boring and dumb then you can do something less boring and smart.

is mumen rider the face of djt?

>>19691532
Don't reply to him

i opened up rtk and noticed that one of the earliest kanji it teaches is 吾 and then i closed it and never looked back

>>19691532
wouldn't need to study grammar if they just watched 10000 hours of subbed anime though

>>19691537
shoulda done kklc

>>19691589
kklc is significantly better but honestly isolated kanji study as a beginner is a bad idea

Anyone else here doing the UDWL method?

>>19691280

>>19691589
>>19691594

>>19691627
oh look something dumb better skip it
quoth any sane person

>>19691627
Did you actually do what the paragraph says? That's a very solid concrete mnemonic for a very common character you'll see frequently in reading. Oh, and there are vocabulary examples so you have some context. Wow what a horrible book!

>行って来る

Udemy JLPT Courses Uploaded here:

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I can't download them now, can a kind anon download it and then upload to the cor or a more reliable tracker? thank you in advance.

>>19691627
Picture a person dragging a plow behind, and the drop of sweat which falls from his brow as he does his work. Think of him (or her, for that matter) making a living "by means of the sweat of their brows."

>>19691658
are you data mining or studying

if you're data mining:
wait until you can download it yourself

if you're studying:
don't study anything designed for a specific test. just read and listen more. you can memorize jlpt vocabulary off of random webpages if you want to study for the test itself.

>>19691627

Take a good look at this kanji: the "strong" element here is really the flower, not the water as you might have thought on first glance. To the right is the acupuncturist from frame 48. Taking the key word to connote diluting the vital humors of the body, we can imagine our acupuncturist performing his task with flowers in place of needles, and using their hollow stems to pipe water into the body of the patient.

>>19691759
this is horrifying

The key word in this frame refers to a suffix that gives the word before it an adjectival quality; hence we refer to it as "sort of thing." Reverting to the time when dog was more widely eaten than it is today (See frame 127), we see here a large cauldron boiling over an oven flame with the flesh of a chihuahua being thrown into the whole concoction to make it into a "hot-diggity, dog-diggity" sort of thing.

>>19691759
not only is this better than kklc's mnemonics, but when it's not you can just use koohii's mnemonics. with kklc you're pretty much fucked.

>>19691788
this is so bad

>>19691796
if you use koohii you're not doing rtk, you're using rtk
doing rtk and using rtk are different
"doing" and "using" kklc are different too
but you can't compare "using rtk" to "doing kklc", you have to stay within "using" or "doing"

Oddly enough, the character for silence shows us a black chihuahua. Actually, the cute little critter's name is Darkness, as I am sure you remember from the famous song about silence that begins, "Hello, Darkness, my old friend...." Note how the four dots reach all the way across the bottom of the character.

>>19691802
>you're using rtk
>doing rtk and using rtk are different
this is a meaningless semantic argument because koohii is free and anyone can use it along side rtk.

>>19691810
it's not because you're comparing using rtk to doing kklc

>>19691810
In terms of this thread every study resource is free, not an argument NEXT

>>19691759
>>19691788
>>19691803
Do people actually do this?

>>19691813
again, this is a semantic argument. it doesn't matter. imagine from here on that when someone says "do rtk" they mean "use rtk and use free easy-to-use supplementary material that makes it better than kklc."
>>19691824
i think you're confused

>>19691830
it does matter, you are comparing using rtk as part of a greater method/program to doing kklc alone, it is not a valid comparison no matter how much you attempt to insist otherwise

>>19691539
theres no convincing the noobs who havent done this yet that its true

no matter how many people who have completed the anime 10k go oh huh this is all review for me when they open up a tyler kim or a nihongo the mango way the noobs will not be persuaded they have to have nihongo and they have to have it right now (but they cant)

>>19691836
>it is not a valid comparison
if you're interested in a discussion on which book by itself is intrinsically better, then that's cool. but who else besides you cares? in the real world the books are not intrinsically by themselves. they have supplementary material that are useful to people. so that supplementary material should be included in comparisons.

>>19691877
read what i'm saying
you are arguing about kklc as the book itself against rtk not as in the book itself
fuck off

>>19691884
read my post. the reason i'm doing this is that this is the only comparison that matters in the real world.

>>19691891
except there are supplementary materials for kklc
you're just ignoring them, or assumed that they don't exist

>>19691884
but surely you can read two books and use two methods. if you use both it becomes easier to understand

>>19691900
waste of time, not actual japanese

>>19691895
>except there are supplementary materials for kklc
of course. now show me kklc's equivalent of koohii with thousands of shared mnemonics that fix kklc's bad ones. i'm not ignoring them, i'm just pretty sure they don't (yet) exist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nllhPmXnHxM

>>19691906
>now show me kklc's equivalent of koohii with thousands of shared mnemonics
the vast overwhelming majority of rtk mnemonics are garbage, and the reason koohii exists is because rtk doesn't even HAVE mnemonics for most kanji, kklc does
>that fix kklc's bad ones
the overwhelming majority of kklc's mnemonics are perfectly fine, unlike rtk's
i'm sure it won't kill you to realize that 以 is easier to remember as a map, arrow, pump, or valve, or learn it through brute force

but since you ask, i shall oblige:

you can use koohii with kklc.

>mnemonics
Ya got memed on boy

>>19691979
i agree but if you try to argue with them outside of their frame of reference they'll just ignore you

>>19691945
>rtk doesn't even HAVE mnemonics for most kanji, kklc does
which isn't a problem because koohii exists. kklc's mnemonics are really bad compared to koohii's.
>you can use koohii with kklc.
then you might as well not bother with kklc. it's easier to use koohii's mnemonics with RTK since koohii follows RTK order, and because of shared/reoccurring components it's better reinforced.

Hey, I've stumbled upon this
大ゲサ
What in the world does that mean?

>>19692001
If only we had books or websites that had definitions for words

>>19691990
>kklc's mnemonics are really bad compared to koohii's.
if by "better" you mean "shorter" yes but generally its mnemonics are actually worse because they have no concern for etymology and rtk's component names are often very fucking bad

>>19692017
If only they actually had the answer.

>>19692019
>they have no concern for etymology
lol
>and rtk's component names are often very fucking bad
koohii users share better keywords which you can add to or replace with heisig's.

>>19691990
hit enter too early
>then you might as well not bother with kklc.
well if you have to use rtk you might as well not use rtk at all
>it's easier to use koohii's mnemonics with RTK
and rtk tells you not to use other people's mnemonics anyway
>since koohii follows RTK order
rtk order is bad not learning kanji in a random-seeming order is not actually going to hurt you or be confusing at all in practice
>and because of shared/reoccurring components it's better reinforced.
this statement isn't even connected to anything.

>>19692033
if you're replacing rtk's mnemonics and keywords you are no longer using rtk.
>lol
this is not a laughing matter, most kanji with obvious etymology make that etymology the easiest way to learn them

Is learning Japanese impossible? A little info: I am 20 years old, English-German (both on native) and am currently in the process of applying for teaching jobs in Japan. Since I am considering to do this long-term and am very good at learning languages (European), I'd like to reach fluency/native level as quickly as possible (1-2 years). However, there are two things that deter me immensely from even getting started with Japanese:

1: Kanji: One Kanji can have like 7 meanings, and several ways to pronounce? Impossible, how can anyone learn this?

2: Keigo: The Japanese honorifics/formality levels. There are 3 + the casual (and a basic + polite form in each category), which results in 8 different versions of a word one has to learn? Beyond impossible and absolutely ludicrous! Then it takes forever to even get some basic words learned...

3: Learning this for about 2-3 hours every day, after 8-9 hours of teaching work seems very soul crushing... and all the negativity about learning JP online doesn't help...

My question to you: Is it really THAT bad? And do you know of any other good methods except Anki, Genki etc. that have proven effective? Because the rest of the language doesn't seem to be as difficult :)

>>19692034
>rtk order is bad not learning kanji in a random-seeming order is not actually going to hurt you or be confusing at all in practice
sure it will. i've done a chapter or two of RTK where components aren't as shared as in others and it makes it more difficult to remember them.

>>19692047
whatever you say dude

>>19692044
you can't learn japanese if you work. sorry.

>>19692039
>if you're replacing rtk's mnemonics and keywords you are no longer using rtk.
boring semantics, like previously. say "rtk in isolation is bad compared to kklc" but "this method that is based off rtk combined with koohii is good compared to kklc" for all i care.
>most kanji with obvious etymology make that etymology the easiest way to learn them
how much of rtk or kklc have you done?

>>19691759
Here is a good picture to go with this mneme-onic.

>>19692066
>boring semantics
that statement was semantics-free
>how much of rtk or kklc have you done?
there is literally no answer to this question that you cannot turn around and say "hurr your opinion is irrelevant" so i'm just going to throw it back at you
how much of rtk and kklc have you done?

>>19692044
> Impossible, how can anyone learn this?
> Beyond impossible and absolutely ludicrous!
These reddit posts always give me a good laugh. It's impossible despite the fact that there are 150 million people that speak the language fluently.

>>19692044
Anything is possible if you try hard enough!
no sorry you're a dekinai
> after 8-9 hours of teaching work
What do you teach?

>時空
>space-time

>>19692044
>:)

I'm sorry, you can't learn Japanese.

>>19692060
>>19692108
>>19692093
>replying to reddit pasta
you cant learn japanese

>>19691803
>>19691788
>>19691759
This can't be real
Looks like I'll be skipping RTK and doing Core2K instead

>>19692071
God I love that game. I would play it again immediately if there was a proper Japanese localization. The one available has only hiragana lol.

>>19692114
replying to reddit comments

>>19692124
>only hiragana
you should be able to read this

>>19692076
>that statement was semantics-free
oh then let me clarify. you're making a point about how "rtk with koohii" should be described. you say "it's not rtk since you're replacing keywords and using other's mnemonics", therefore i'm wrong when i say "rtk is better than kklc". but the only thing i'm interested in comparing is rtk and kklc with supplementary material. and so you can remark that i'm wrong to say "rtk vs kklc" but it's irrelevant to my point.

>there is literally no answer to this question that you cannot turn around and say "hurr your opinion is irrelevant"
yea but that's not what i was going to do. i'm asking because i'm guessing you haven't used either and you're just arguing with me to be a contrarian, or you used them differently from how most people use them and how most people probably will use them.
>how much of rtk and kklc have you done?
almost done with rtk.

>>19692152
too long and stupid not going to bother arguing anymore it's your "win"
>>how much of rtk and kklc have you done?
>almost done with rtk.
don't argue about learning methods until you are no longer a beginner (N2.5 equivalent or higher)

>>19692133
I actually watched first part of 実況 of it and it was all comprehensible. But I feel that they avoid using other than common words which makes it boring.

>>19692161
>don't argue about learning methods until you are no longer a beginner
yep, figured you were projecting when you said this:
>there is literally no answer to this question that you cannot turn around and say "hurr your opinion is irrelevant"
stay in your lane and don't get into arguments about topics you don't know anything about just to be a contrarian asshole. thanks for the win btw

>>19692176
i know more about this topic than you lmao don't pose

Will learning about methods teach me japanese?

>>19692191
no but it will make you feel better while you are procrastinating

if you knew more you'd have come up with a decent argument. just take it easy next time. you don't gotta pretend to prefer one book over another just because you hate it when people reference rtk. you can say "i don't believe in isolated study" and leave it at that. no need to be a contrarian asshole. no need to "argue from their frame." what's even the point?

>>19692252
Not him. Here you go dude.
https://vocaroo.com/?upload

>>19692191
when learning japanese you should do things that help you learn japanese

ah, the epic "I've won the argument so I'm not going to directly quote you but I'm still going to respond to you because I really really am right guys!" post

>>19692267
i didn't mean to leave the post number out. also he did give up so that settles that.

>>19692278
he didn't 'give up' he realized you were an idiot

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

>>19692324
how bored are you jamal

>>19692350
he has a point, anon

i just showed up for the end of this so i posted a couple lil things and now im goin about my business once again : )

>>19692191
no it's just another thing that wastes time

>>19692355
>he

>>19692406
sorry I didn't mean to assume

Why is Nujabes so based

>>19692406
rule 30 still applies outside of social media

>>19689240
Better than posting here

>>19692489
low bar, posting here doesn't teach you jack shit about japanese

djt sharpens your skills against bad faith interlocutors

>>19689240
You should be doing ajatt instinctively if you want to pick up the language. It went by the term immersion before the cult of Ajatt. It's how you probably learned english so why would you question it. If you want to get good at a language you need to swim in its waters. That's why they start rtk first and grind it out the way so they can submerse themselves. When I finish rtk I probably wont come here anymore.

>>19692783
this nigga talking about swimming in the language while doing rtk before doing it, keep using your floats bitch boy, be scared of the water

he's getting olympic training (rtk) while you're splashing around in your backyard pool lmao

anybody who doesn't start by drowning in kanji is playing in their backyard pool with their baby floats on, this goes for you bitches who do core too

>olympic training (rtk)
rtk-before-reading people actually believe this

weird thing is these people also apparently think that doing olympic training before actually knowing how to swim is a good idea.

i know right

>>19689283
>(or woman)

>>19692783
You fell short right at the finish line with those last 2 sentences. 3/10 better luck next time.

>>19689048
What game? Looks basic enough for me to muddle my way through and maybe enjoy

Is pokemon really helpful?

>>19693088
It's shit

>>19693088
chinpokemon is

I can't learn Japanese.

Should I turn off the furigana on NHK easy? I feel like I'm getting into the habit of just instantly looking at the furigana even if I should know the kanji.

>>19693172
It isn't bad. Your peripheral vision will pick up the kanji at the same time so when you're looking up your interests you're still associating どうせいあいのどうが with 同性愛の動画 and making progress

>>19693103
its chinpokomon

>>19689423
>So the most important stuff is to read? Even though I didn't even finish 50% of the Core2K/6K?
You can read without doing Core. It just means you will be looking up more words (though the words you've missed from Core should all be common ones which can be learned easily enough just by reading you'll run into them so much). Using OCR programs for image scans (manga, LNs) and texthookers for VNs can significantly reduce the frustration of looking up unknown words (check the resources section of the guide for more info).

>I guess I'll start reading even without reading the grammar guide again, then.
Just to warn you (though maybe you've found out already), you will suck hard when you first start, no matter what you've done in preparation. Make sure whatever you opt to read is interesting enough to hold your attention even as line after line of dialogue and narration goes completely over your head. The more time you spend reading each day (try to aim for several hours if you can), the quicker you will get over this initial "what the fuck is going on I don't understand anything" hurdle and start being able to intuitively make sense of things.

>But at the time I'm studying by reading, how should I face kanji? Should I do RtK at the same time I'm reading then?
You can learn to read words written in kanji without doing RTK (reviewing them in Anki can obviously speed up this process, whether you review words with their reading + meaning or just their reading alone). When your brain reads words, rather than reading the individual letters/characters one by one, it is more so reading the shape:
>Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

>>19689461
>>19689919
>>19689976
You realise the people behind this channel are all Korean (i.e. non-native speakers), not Japanese?

I noticed you can reposition new cards to introduce them earlier
Is there a list of vocabularies used in various mangas I can use to reposition cards so I can move to a harder manga sooner? I want something harder than yotsuba because I feel like my improvement rate is slowing down.

I finished RTK 1. I finally fucking did it. Should I do RTK 3 or should I start learning Japanese?

>>19693240
Korean is to Japanese as ching chang is to chong
>>19693250
> should I start learning Japanese?
Don't start something that's impossible to do.

y would you do rtk before you start learning japanese you're just going to forget all the characters anyway

>>19693231
Oh yeah, and don't waste too much time on each given sentence. If you don't get a sentence after a re-read or two, just move on. Massive exposure is what you're aiming for: You want to consume as much Japanese as possible each day.

>>19693273
Skipping isn't consuming

>>19693263
The stories help me remember. And that's what anki is for.

>>19693250
That's some impressive retention, but I could not do two hours of anki per day myself.

If you need RTK and child-like stories to remember kanji, you are stupid. It's as simple as that.

What's the best approach to learning shit like this? Should I add it to anki and memorize it that way like everything else?

You have only seen 547 mature cards. You have not finished RTK

>>19693328
are you okay dude?

>>19693328
Hello nukemarine

>>19693328
What do you mean? That's 終わり + まで and it means what you would think it means, why would you learn that in isolation?

>>19693336
Yeah I just remembered that I know what まで means and was trying to delete my post before I got made fun of but didn't make it in time.

>>19693328
終わり
end
まで
to/until
終わりまで
to/until end

there is absolutely no reason to ever memorize things that literally mean what their individual parts mean if the individual parts are more common

>>19693332
I don't know what that means since there's 3k cards in the deck and almost half of those are mature.

>>19693343
>>19693344
>>19693349
I'm stupid ye

People here make fun of nuke but then act like giant kanji koohii dicksuckers. Anyone else sensing the irony?

>>19693360
Don't be so quick on the enter key next time 坊主

>>19691444
All the jouyou kanji have 3 simple nouns to them? This is news to me.

>>19693172
Looking at the furigana isn't bad, but ignoring the kanji is. Just make sure you are actually looking at and trying to remember the kanji.

>>19693250
Am I misreading this or are you not actually done?

>>19693446
RTK 1 has 2200 kanji. RTK 3 adds an additional 800, totaling 3000. I'm done with RTK 1 but I haven't done RTK 3.

>>19693364
Explain why that is ironic. Kanji Koohii is a useful tool, whilst Nukemarine is an eternal beginner. What do they have to do with each other?

>>19692324

ここで何割合日本語を読める　五十ぐらい？

It's just not satisfying when you let a fat fart rip and no stench makes its way to your nostrils

>>19693364
It's not like people make fun of him for no reason.

>>19691503
why

I don't like Nukemarine because he always responds to beginners with cryptic bullshit like "You should use RTK, but only for the most common 555 kanji" or whatever. Then never gives a link to a way to actually do it. I've actually tried searching for exactly how to do it several times, but all I can find is posts saying that it is easy to find if you just search around.

Not that is it really matters, since I'm not a beginner, but it irritates me every time I see it.

>>19693059
its 青鬼3 for iphone. all three games in the series are pretty easy and fun though.

>>19693480
>>19693480
>useful
xD

>he doesn't use the uberman sleep schedule to maximize his time ajatting

>>19693721
uberman is bs and makes you less effective overall per 24 hours of real time

>>19693611
Why'd you not include the rest of his response?

>>19693721
>he doesn't use the hikkomori sleep schedule to maximize his time awake in the peace of the night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ufP3Kn4Uk

>>19693724
but you literally always feel like you've just woke up

>>19693741
>but he does

>>19693741
>12 hours of sleep
>12 hours of life
I hate this.

>>19693697
I think the real problem is that everyone's road to Japanese is gonna be slightly different. What might "work" for you may not work at the same time as it would for someone else. More often than not, language learning feels like moments of meteoric progress/lots of understanding/breakthroughs separated by grinding.

If there was a way to only have those meteoric progress/breakthrough moments, everyone would be fluent by now, but the grind seems unavoidable because that thing that causes your "breakthrough" next month might be something you can't understand at all right now. You've gotta build up that vocab/grammar base so that you're ready for the next opportunity. 1 month worth of "grind" pays dividends, as even at just 300 new words learned (about 10 a day) you could have learned all the specialized vocabulary in that mecha Anime you want to watch. After that, you never have to worry about it again and will be ready for the next show (and will have less new stuff to learn at the same time).

Though there's no sound argument against learning how to read, and learning words so that you're ready to process them in the wild, implying that there is an "optimal" way is foolish. If you're gonna have to learn them all anyway, it makes more sense to just learn as much as you are comfortable to be ready to seize such opportunities.

thanks for the long post that amounts to nothing useful

let me condense into one short useful thing

spend more time with nihongo

>>19693721
non-24 is a reasonable compromise, if your cycle is 26-28 hours (natural for humans who don't get sunlight) and you sleep for 7 you're increasing your ratio of wake to sleep time without too much tiredness.

>>19693697
You can do the 555 kanji on his memrise course I think, so google that. He also has hours of videos uploaded on youtube of him doing the 555 kanji. Finally, I think he has made anki decks for the 555 kanji but you might have to subscribe to him or just ask him to send it to you for free over DM.

>>19693828
tbqh you've never made a useful post in your life

>>19693844
so stay shit

>>19693877
stay old till you croak

weak comeback, jamal, very disappointing.

im multi tasking also im like romeo i dont give a fuck what a garbage bitch think because they cant elevate themself using my holy words

出た

also youll die sooner cause youre fat and out of shape and eat like shit

Jamal should I do RTK 3 or just learn Japanese?

the 2nd thing

what would have been of nihongo if when the japanese arrived at china everyone there spoke english and wrote using the roman alphabet

あたしはここにいます

>>19693955
俺はエミリア好きだ

>>19693278
Re-reading something you don't understand over and over again until you want to shoot yourself isn't consuming either, then. It goes without saying that so long as you aren't fluent, there will be sentences that you simply can't understand. If the result after reading a sentence 99 times is the same as that after reading it twice, then the only reason to read it 99 times is if you're some sort of masochist. If you make your reading sessions miserable by torturing yourself like that, you will turn the activity into a chore that you hate and don't want to do anymore.

>>19693978
Where were you three years ago?

>>19693328
Why does EDICT even include shit like this? There's an absurd amount of pointless entries like this.

易しい漢字はいい
難しい漢字は死ねばいい
中国人殺せ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cHkYO9lWO8
ma((tt in the wild

Since I started learning Japanese I developed a weird aversion to translated stuff. Reading manga/LNs/VNs in English feels just wrong to me.
I wonder, when I finally learn Japanese to the point of reading as fast as English and I finally read all the stuff I have in my backlog, will I have anyone here to talk to about them? It will probably take years and I could just spend less time learning Japanese and more time partaking in the actual shit I'm learning Japanese for, but I just don't want to. Will I regret it later?

>>19693842
Thanks for that information. I don't like memrise and learning kanji by watching his videos sounds like a waste of time. If an Anki deck exists then it should be publicly available so beginners can actually find it.

I actually think the 555/1000 kanji deck are good things for beginners. The first time I attempted RTK I made to around 300 before I quit, but if I knew I only had to get to 555 instead of 2200, I think I could have stuck with it. I wonder what percentage of people who start RTK actually finish. It has to be under 1%.

>>19694034
You could say the success rate for a lot of things that are difficult is low, but it's not 1%. It's like 20%. As in only those who understand what it takes will even have got to this stage.

>>19694058
>As in only those who understand what it takes will even have got to this stage.
But RTK is recommended as the first step of learning Japanese.

>>19694089
I hope you don't seriously think normal people will go to RTK and especially kanji as the first step to learning Japanese.

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1213145732

>>19694089
Normal people go to reddit, where they tell them to do genki and wanikani, then drill core2k for 2 years.

>>19694104
RTK isn't even the first step

Meditation is

巨乳が好き

>>19694026
scripted as fuck.

>>19694026
i seeked right to the perfect part lol https://streamable.com/l6h0h

by the way theres no reason none of you guys cant have awkward conversations like that with people

you just gotta put yourself out there and do it

>>19694031
I know how you feel. I miss discussing anime with /a/, but can't keep up with them anymore.

>>19694031
That's normal. Don't worry about it. Make learning Japanese your main priority. You won't regret it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnoBK5BWjoY

how do gooks learn japanese so quickly?

>>19694166
They already know kanji, that's how. The real question is why do Koreans know English so much better than the Japanese?

>>19694031
welcome to the true endgame

where westerners are kept out by the language barrier

and japanese folks just appreciate it at face and comment only on the obvious

theres a seat waiting for you here at the summit should you make the journey though

>>19694153
>by the way theres no reason none of you guys cant have awkward conversations like that with people
the fact that nobody listens so nobody can speak well enough to hold a conversation is a pretty big limiting factor

>>19693752
That sounds absolutely horrible.

>>19694175
koreans don't normally learn kanji anymore

>>19694175
They seem to consume more western media.

>>19693841
This is what I do.

>>19694153
行ってきます

>>19694159
>but can't keep up with them anymore
Yeah, I feel like I'm on an entirely different board.
>>19694165
>You won't regret it.
I sure hope so. Simply reading/watching doesn't make me as happy as arguing with all of you, so I sure hope I'm not missing out on something that might not be here after I'm done.
>>19694179
>theres a seat waiting for you here at the summit should you make the journey though
Wait for me, then. I'll do my best.

>>19694031
Woah there buddy, manga isn't reading.

There really isn't any worth in discussing media with people who have only read a translation. Their experience is so far off from that of reality that it's like they are a different class of beings.

https://youtu.be/3fYItNPSPbA

> letting 白豚 into country once

>>19694258
How dramatic.

translations are similar enough that discussing what hapened with someone who read a translation is perfectly acceptable

>>19694276
This. I don't understand what the problem is.

>>19694276
translations mutilate character voice so talking about anything but major plot beats is almost impossible

>>19694276
>>19694258
This hinges on what you're reading.
Like, it's pointless to discuss Finnegan's Wake with someone who doesn't speak English.

>>19694284
>“bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnuk!”― James Joyce, Finnegans Wake
it's also pointless because this isn't english

>>19694321
good post

>>19694321
I can't believe Joyce was pleb enough to use romaji for 雷.

Which work is more difficult to interpret and understand on anything but a surface level, Subahibi or Finnegans Wake?

unfortunately as the nihongo knower its your responsibility and burden to meet the translation only guy at his level in order to have a decent discussion

its sort of like getting stuck with being the designated driver

being a nerd truly doesnt pay guys

>>19694357
You get to talk to cute girls though enamored by your gaijin charm.

the only cute girls i know are 2d

that's pretty sad.

Please include the post number of the person you're replying to. For clarity.

no im just that woke

>>19694408
Is this the first time talking with Jamal?

可愛い彼女はほし

There are no words in the english language which can fully convey the sentiments expressed in the posted page of graphic literature. It's literally impossible to translate properly. This is the true beauty of knowing Japanese.

>>19694437
I'm gonna do my latherbathing bestest today'un!

Hahahaha latherbathing?

Mmph!

Ngh!

>>19694437
I miss new game posting.

How common is the kanji for 擽る？

>>19694507
>擽る
I learned something new today.

>>19694419
欲しい

>>19694031
I've always been someone who often doesn't keep up with series as they release, waiting for volumes, seasons or series to conclude before reading and by extension never one to partake in much discussion. Reading in Japanese does add some further complications, because it can be hard to have a proper discussion with someone who's not. Whether it's because it's untranslated, subtle details are lost in translation, or they're reading something different altogether because of how shitty the translation is, discussion can really fall short. It's a bit unfortunate, but the trade off is the actual shit you're learning Japanese for can become a lot more enjoyable when you can appreciate it in it's original form. I had a similar concern but having learned how translation can go, I've never regretted it in the slightest.

>>19694529
This is why I stopped going on /a/. I was just too behind on everything and got sick of spoilers.

>>19694527
いや本物ほし

>>19694527
保死意*

Am I a 日本語 pro yet?

DJT翻訳連絡したいどっちらで？

>>19694437
ez

>>19694577
I thought Jamal was a meme and not a real thing.

>>19694577
requesting full translation of the first chapter in this style to be dumped on /a/ as a retranslation project. make sure to hype it up for ten minutes before actually posting the first pace

>>19694357
did you actually ever have an argument about the translation with the person who translated said work? i find it just easier to tell people to learn japanese instead and warn them about how easily a translation can convey the entirely wrong meaning and show them stuff like pic related

>>19694600
the funny part is this image was made by someone who doesn't know japanese

>>19694610
It's always someone who doesn't know Japanese that gets triggered. Why is this?

>>19694616
because people who know japanese don't really care about quality of translation when they can just read the material in it's native language

>>19694600
localization and translation are two different things

theres nothing wrong with that image as one makes more sense of a japanese audience and one makes more sense for assumedly a eu/usa audience

>a eu

you got a issue my ninja

>>19694512
huh, I'm used to seeing that in 轢く

普通名詞はめいしとふつう

>>19694674
That's not the same kanji you know

>>19694642
i dunno how you can look at the dialogue in the english version and think that's okay regardless of original script

>>19694600
i dont argue

if you got a problem just make it better

>>19694577
requesting non-non biyori

>>19694716
rawr

可能性で議論の両方は正解しますか

>>19694716
idk that doesnt trigger me you gotta do something more broadly offensive than throwing in a goofy inconsequential line somewhere

then again the more critical and butt blasted people act over little pieces of a localization shows where they truly stand i guess

>>19694698
the component part 樂 I mean. I haven't seen it in any other Kanji besides 轢.

*楽 薬　and other variant simplifications don't count

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