/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>19660479

lmao someones gonna be PISSED

anyway keep talking about tukihime its more interesting

Are we just not gonna number the threads anymore

Incoming thread wars

Did someone mention piss

man! misa sensei makes me sweat when she looks so cute explaining japanese grammar

hello djt

>>19663369
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjapSF94eCc

i was so scared that djt wasnt coming back this time

what the FUCK is kino's problem? that was the most fucked up conclusion thus far.

Has anyone experienced some kind of phenomenon with their personality when they think, and speak Japanese? I've noticed it happened to me quite often, since, in the language, sarcasm do not exist, so it's difficult for me to banter and be myself unless I am around friends that speak both languages.

does sarcasm really not exist in japanese

>>19663384
forgot image like the dumb bitch i am, spoilers from the "avengers/colosseum" chapter of kino volume 1

>>19663366
this looks fun

>>19663386
>>19663389
lmao

no japanese doesnt have sarcasm *winks really hard at the camera repeatedly lookin like im havin a seizure and shit*

>>19663389
It does not. Japanese comedy and other mediums are often STTP and they take everything literally.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JK_business
Wow! haha, what a disgusting practice!
Im grateful that these sort of things aren't done anymore

>>19663389
no they dont understand what sarcasm is

new op

global rule no trolling outside of /b/

who's trolling

op

>>19663400
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NVO3cxTbxg#t=64

>>19663403
if you really wanna get deep in the shit you can totally construe those horrific tukihime changes as being a direct result of the slutgarden that akiba has sadly become

to be honest their guide looks better than ours 冗談じゃない

>>19663390
Kino is mad at everyone for being stupid, and is also mad because of what happened to the couple in the past

>>19663424
what no way akiba sounds awesome

>>19663436
i get that completely, but man, telling everybody in the country to fight and kill each other until only one is left... i guess nobody's forcing them to follow that law but still.

>>19663435
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/alternativeguide.html
this is way better though

>>19663438
no!! its not anymore!! it was tho

it was a great place

until a certain someone showed up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JXJAIWKxM4

but we thought it was ok she was just our little sister we thought

oh how wrong we were she was the devil wearing our little sisters clothes

any guide that unironically recommends self-studying from textbooks cannot be used

>>19663449
it's better but i wouldn't go so far as to say way better

ghonestly after getting baited to go to reddit for the first time in my life i stopped readinbg at

What's the most efficient way to learn Japanese?
Since what works for one person might not work for another, it really does depend. The best advice that can be offered is that you should explore your options and define your learning path relative to your goals.

Someone remake the thread and mass report this one.

>>19663450
you're going over my head with this lore
i should clarify that miniskirts are awesome not JK business

op text for the remake for you

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Old guide site below.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

Last thread: >>19652550

>>19663471
also the remake number is 1987

>>19663466
you cant bring girls to the boys club

thanks i don't know what an archive is

just use this thread otherwise the numbers and shit are pointless as this is 40+ raw unadulterated djt posts that are possibly the best 40 posts out of the last 40 djt threads not counting the tukihime derail at the end of last one

>>19663485
the tsukihime derail was literally the peak of djt

let's talk about the intricacies of nasuverse metaphysics

>>19663495
shiki can kill servants lol

okay but don't spoil me i am not good enough at japanese to trek into the nasuverse proper

>>19663450
>check out this youtube vid
>turn up volume because can't hear anything
>nothing but girl squeeking insanely loud
dont post this again. most of us have other people in our house.

in order to understand fate/stay night you must first read dies irae. in japanese

>>19663504
most of us learned to use headphones in our basements like civilized neets

>>19663505
deez irae is always hailed as being hella good but i just can't get past the premise of "nazis everywhere"

where do you get the tsukihime audio cd? i never got to finish it past the first round because i realized there was no audio and it was annoying.

>>19663505
what about in the original german
>>19663513
i watched one episode of the anime and that did not get me excited

>civilized neets

>>19663513
well you'll be happy to know that dies irae is the most profoundly written anti-nazi story you could possibly read in 2018 if you choose to do so

>>19663519
>watching an anime adaptation of a visual novel
the strength of a visual novel is that it can spend 80+ hours on exposition so it can give you 2 hours of trauma-inducing emotional moments so you kinda played yourself there m'lord

>>19663466
well you're wrong about the last part

>>19663508
>>19663522

i'm just saying if you feel shame about what comes through your speakers you don't need speakers

>>19663527
it was so bad that i don't remember a thing so i'm good to go whenever i learn japanese

>>19663567
did he make it

Need your advice jp. I'm at 4k in the core deck, but in starting to find the words at this point in the deck aren't that useful. Should I stop adding new cards in the deck and focus on adding her cards through reading at this point?

>>19663584
I'd like to believe so. NEET is the only way to fluency

>>19663567
the shirt lmao

>>19663592
> jp
rude

>>19663592
yes you probably should have a little while ago

>>19663592
havent i read this before. yesterday? the day before maybe?

>>19663495
nasu thinks smokeing weed turns u into a mindless crazed demon

hes the cutest kid

>>19663592
start reading

>>19663595
i meant in life, we're kin

>>19663606
my headcanon is that the weed that yakuza groups grow in nasuverse is genetically modified with magic to produce liner-inducing chemicals instead of just thc and cbd

What's the difference between は and は?

>>19663624
one is a particle and the other is not

How the fuck did the Japanese invent particles before physics existed?

>>19663373
H-He just wants to 『STAY HYDRATED』

>>19663633
japan has always been ahead

>>19663601
Probably, I posted it on int but got no response so I asked here

>>19663609
I don't get it? you mean did he successfully manage to neet his way through life? I didnt meet him so not sure. all I know is 働いたら負け

>>19663649
srs in language learning is best at reinforcing words you've encountered naturally
further, core was based off of newspapers for native adults, which is obviously quite different from what you're learning with

>>19663659
i'm was asking if in some manner he is not starving on the street right now
we gotta look out for each other

>>19663665
Pretty much this, I flashcard fresh words I encounter in the wild and "learn" them the same day, then add them to my growing review piles which I cycle through whenever they hit about 300 cards (physical cards because can't use phone at job, so actual cards will have to do). Though, the number of those words I need to pull these days is thinning out because I must be at well over the 2000 常用. Most of them I can just figure out through guessing, and the occasional unknown kun-reading still throws me off, but it's not terrible.

I'm up to around 6000 cards in my collection and let me tell you, my wife does NOT appreciate having stacks of Japanese words floating around the house.

>>19663639
are you suggesting he rehydrates with his piss

>>19663373
Why is he always looking at a script

>>19663680
oh well not him so not sure. I hope he did though. gives me hope as a neet.

also for any non neets out there, you can't learn Japanese.

>>19663708
I keked at this way more then I should have

you're only allowed to post here if you have Japanese blood

>>19663722
You should only be allowed to post here if you're full Japanese blood, having anything else will permanently cripple your Japanese.

>>19663722
is store-bought okay

Why even learn Japanese if your not Japanese? Learn German or Spanish instead.

>>19663736
Bonus - you'll be to the learning "critical point" in 6 months with either of these languages, where you can drop SRS completely and learn purely from immersing in native materials and context.

Of course, if it ends up taking you 8+ years to score 171 on the JCAT, you probably didn't have any hope for learning those other languages in the first place...

>>19663736
>spanish
Ew
>german
Why

>>19663752
>40 days to learn an adult vocab (200 words per day)
>5 months to learn grammar and fluency through reading and listening a lot
If it takes you any more than 6 months to learn Japanese then you're a literal dekinai.

拙者は日本だ

I'm not nuke though

>>19663765
>200 words per day
this might be the only place in the world where anyone would いう such ばかっぽい bullshit

>>19663765
無理でござる

>>19663781
With a healthy 8 hours of sleep that's about 12.5 words an hour, or nearly 5 minutes to memorize a single word. It's entirely possible.

don't bully nuke. he's actually very good for the time he takes off studying (6 months at a time)

>>19663790
This, you just have to make up stories for all of the words and it's pretty easy.

Stay dekinai, losers

おにいちゃんたすけて

にゅういん

かも

しれない

おかねたりないかもしれない

Ohio /djt/.
I learnt kana,
Now I'm doing radicals.
What should be next? RTK?

>>19663798
かねをすべてあげるから、おちついて

>>19663791
not sarcasm btw. i follow his videos and he dissapears for 6 months at a time.

This thread is whack.

>>19663902
No u.

I have this song called 祭りのあとかぜ and I'm a bit confused.
I can't figure out what Ato kaze means. It's not an entry in tangorin and gets machine translated as "afterwards", as in "after the festival". is that accurate?

>>19663911
If you can't find it, it's safe to assume it's either a prefix or a slang.

>>19663911
祭りのあと+かぜ

What is hard about this

shit i missed a bump on his upper lip someone else is gonna have to clean this up i'm not up to the task sorry guys i fucked up

>>19663923
I've only seen kaze used for illness or wind so far, so that's why.

>>19663911
The wind after the festival

>go to /int/
>they claim /jp/ doesn't know japanese (took me a while to decipher their japanese)
>ask /jp/ about it
>they claim they only input, but are way better than /int/
who is correct?

yes

>>19663982
/int/

both

>>19663982
/int/

>>19663982
Japanese knower here. /jp/ used to be considerably better, but now that the janitor has forsaken this thread it's pretty shit. It'll never be shit enough to make me go to /int/, though.

>>19663341
> https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/wiki/index/startersguide

>>19663999
Are you here because we shitpost more than they do or what?

what's with all the people who think anyone knows japanese

Japanese people dont know Japanese

>>19664010
I'm here because I already browsed /jp/ anyway and would never set foot in a normalfag nest like /int/, and because I have nothing to lose, unlike all the people who waste their time shitposting instead of studying.

>>19663982
/int/ for asking questions, /jp/ for memes and the latest learning methods.

the only reason not to ask questions here is because for some reason newfags coming from other communities (like koohii, reddit, and matt's discord) avoid /int/ for some reason - maybe because it's /pol/ lite, or at least used to be - and they LOVE answering questions they're not actually capable of understanding

this also makes it so that, instead of just answering the questions, oldfags argue with the newfags instead of answering the original question

it doesn't have to do with a lack of people who are skilled in japanese here, just that there are more idiots

>>19664031
>oldfags argue with the newfags instead of answering the original question
no one has ever participated in an argument about learning methods who isn't a beginner

>>19664037
this is demonstrably false

>>19664038
hyperbole but it's rare especially this year

>>19664041
i'm n2 and argue about learning methods all the time because i can't help myself

also if n2 falls under your definition of beginner then your definition of beginner is worse than useless

>>19664043
for most people it gets old pretty fast

that day will come for you one day too

>>19664054
i sure hope so

>>19664048
there can't be more than twenty people in djt history that have surpassed n2 and came back so no worries
i can't help myself either but i'm self-diagnosed n4

what would you do if djt went back to /a/

>>19664043
Anything below N1 is beginner

>>19664066
okay hon

>>19664062
celebrate that i'm no longer a filthy crossboarder

>>19664066
https://vocaroo.com/?upload

>>19664062
I'd be sad.

>>19664072
why's that?

>>19664070
Did you mean to post your reading of a script? Good pronunciation doesn't necessarily mean you're not a beginner.

>>19664067
Relax it was a meme.

>>19664062
be glad that I don't have to feel like a weeaboo anymore

>>19664078
>Good pronunciation doesn't necessarily mean you're not a beginner.
you don't know japanese

>>19664083
The thought that you can't have good pronunciation but be unable to construct a meaningful sentence is so illogical that I'm surprised you're arguing it.

>>19664078
If you can speak a text, one that does not have full furigana, with correct pronunciation and prosody, you are not a beginner.

You don't know Japanese.

>>19664086
"Beginner" stops long, long before you start producing meaningful sentences on arbitrary topics.

You're a beginner.

>>19664086
you probably think that you have good pronunciation don't you

>>19664088
>If you finish RTK and have good pronunciation, you know Japanese
top kek

>>19664090
Ok so explain again why you can't have good pronunciation if you don't have grammar. What the FUCK stops a person from making the correct sounds? Is there a physical constant of the universe that prevents one from making the correct movements with their vocal cords and mouth before they know grammar? You're retarded.

>>19664094
Not at all, づ and い are very hard for me to get.

>>19664100
If you think RTK has anything to do with readings or prosody then holy shit.

>>19664100
>Ok so explain again why you can't have good pronunciation if you don't have grammar.

Good pronunciation requires good prosody, and good prosody requires an understanding of what the grammar in a sentence is doing, because different structures attach in different ways and do different things to pitch accent and stress.

he probably doesn't even know what the word prosody means, which is why he ignored it
stop feeding him and go do something else

Japanese pronunciation is literally retard tier. You have to learn how to pronounce ten vowels, ever, and you get the rest of the language for free.

>>19664104
Ok let me make this simple enough for a 3rd grader to understand since apparently that's your cognitive level.

>Learn the readings of a kanji
>Learn how to make the sounds
>Learn nothing else
>You are not a beginner as per your own words since you can read stuff without furigana with a good pronunciation, even though you have no idea what the sentences or words mean

>>19664077
The amount of shitposting in /djt/ would increase tenfold.

>>19664100
>Not at all, づ and い are very hard for me to get.
do you really think pronunciation is nothing but phonetics holy fuck
>>19664112
you too

>>19664113
RTK doesn't teach readings or pronunciation.

Learning readings and vowels does not mean that you can pronounce anything correctly.

You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>19664112
Stop posting.

>>19664118
Nice strawman, faggot.

>>19664124
You literally don't know Japanese. Stop posting.

>>19664122
Sorry you had such difficulty mastering the language with the easiest pronunciation on earth.

>>19664126
Nice ad hominen, faggot. You sure are showing me with your advanced argumentative skills.

what are some easy to understad SoL anime?
(i dont know if SoL is the easiest but i imagine it is)

>>19664126
nobody in this thread knows japanese

>>19664135
I do. I can't speak it though. I'm mute.

>pronunciation
>[pruh-nuhn-see-ey-shuh n]
>noun
>1. the act or result of producing the sounds of speech, including articulation, stress, and intonation, often with reference to some standard of correctness or acceptability
>2. an accepted standard of the sound and stress patterns of a syllable, word, phrase, etc.

>>19663924

>>19664022
>>19663982
I'm changing my answer, /int/ for asking questions and /jp/ for memes and getting triggered over memes.
/jp/DJT/ can't go a single thread without spurging out over something stupid, /int/ can and does.

>>19663399

>>19664136
Just bring a laptop everywhere you go and speak through SofTalk or VOICEROID like the guy from that one anime. If you buy a recent enough one you'll even get perfect pronunciation for free. What a deal!

>>19664147
i didn't think anyone would take up the torch, i'm satisfied

>>19663924
He looks Jewish
>>19663804
Anyone?

>>19664155
Don't forgot to donate and subscribe.

you literally cannot place stress on the correct syllables if you have too poor of an understanding of the language's grammar's inner workings

this is why many ESLs sound so bad when they speak, even when they can pronounce individual words correctly in isolation; they literally do not know how to put the right emphasis on the right syllables because their understanding of grammar was tainted by excessive memorization and too little exposure. they do not have enough of an awareness of the subtleties of how stress and emphasis change what things mean or what things are put into focus when. this doesn't have to do with an engrained, unfixable "False grammar" or anything by the way, they just know too much to realize that they have to go back and relearn a lot of the basics about sentence structure.

if someone is capable of replicating a language's natural stress patterns, then they are necessarily no longer a beginner, unless they're just some kind of savant.

just like how JSLs have such a hard time with が and は if they haven't taught themselves to

not putting marks against ESLs by the way, it's just that they're often taught very wrong and it's a very useful thing to point at for analogy here

REPLY to me faggots

>>19664165
sorry were you getting lonely

>>19664163
can you post some examples of が and は being difficult
t.absolute begginer who doesn't see how they're difficult

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004851/bio

>Despite common misconception, she can't speak French. She hired a dialect coach to help her in the French film Fanfan (2003) and learned her lines phonetically. She also needs the help of a translator when she is promoting a film on French television.

Oh fuck I guess she knows French lmao

>>19664176
- being unsure of which one to use at the start of a conversation to make an observation about something you're both looking at (it depends on what you're trying to express!)
- when to use them in narration
- when to not use either of them at all and just not have an explicit subject
- when you can't use either and actually have to use も, とは, って, ったら, etc

>>19664150
>spurging
Fuck off.

>>19664182
memorizing the inflections of individual lines according to instruction is not at all comparable to generating the correct pronunciation of an arbitrary sentence and you are proving your bad faith by attempting to make the comparison

>>19664176
if you're an absolute beginner and you think you understand them you were probably lied to by whatever grammar resource you read

>>19664188
never said that

>>19664182
also "not a beginner" does not mean "knows the language" which is a whole other can of worms and another piece of proof that you're acting in bad faith

>>19664186
Good job asking the guy to do >>19664070 to prove he knows Japanese then, dumbass.

>He said bad faith
Oh no, I automatically lose!!!!!! That's THE MEME WORD that makes you win on /DJT/ no matter what!!!!

>>19664196
can you quote where in that post it says "prove you know japanese" or anything at all like it


because i'm pretty sure he never said any such thing at all! in fact, that meme is SPECIFICALLY designed to vet out actual beginners who are arguing about shit they don't understand, not to vet out people who don't know japanese. guess you're a newfag too, huh!

>>19664163
if i wanted to pronounce something correctly in japanese i'd first read the line in an internal monotone (which i have to do since i still parse japanese syllable-by-syllable), then read it again (internally) in a character's voice, then do my best to imitate the character with my own voice out loud on the third pass

i'm sure i could do at least a passable job with most lines even if my chances of doing a successful cold reading of a line i'm seeing for the first time are definitely zero

>>19664182
are you telling me that if you hired a coach to spend a couple of weeks to help you read one page it is hypothetically possible you could fool djt
shit this changes nothing
joke's on you no one here can afford that
>>19664196
if he can do it he might not be a beginner
if he can't do it he definitely is a beginner
pretty easy to figure out my dude i believed in you but it seems it's time to give up on you

>>19664163
Good thing 90% of sounding decent as a beginner is as easy as putting stress and pause between て clauses, or just on particles in general (esp the "but" が), and using things like でも・一方・しかし・確か、など to great extent while also knowing how to conditional decently and some fairly basic other things.

And 90% of that comes through listening and reading.

>>19664209
congrats, you're not a beginner

>>19664204
dude you got me XD you win again! make sure to always use BAD FAITH when you're out of things to say. Just like calling people a troll when they're obviously not, this is sure to give you the high ground. Pretending that the other person is lying on purpose makes you automatically the victor!

>>19664212
everything you just said is actually either completely wrong or completely inapplicable to reciting someone else's written text lmao

>>19664217

what do i filter to get rid of the XD guy before he posts it

>>19664217
bad faith does not mean lying on purpose

>>19664221
Good idea, I should nick you for that for every post you made in the last half hour. God you're fucking retarded.

>>19664228
have fun getting banned for abusing reports

>>19664224
just ignore mixed-case posters

>>19664229
Oh fuck I'll have to press a button on my router to get a new IP how will I manage?

>>19664225
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bad+faith+def
Dumbass

>>19664233
deception and lying are not the same thing

are you a child

>>19664235
I'm sorry anon I didn't realize you were actually retarded, I shouldn't be using that as an insult anymore.

>>19664240
if you think saying you're acting in bad faith means you're lying then i think you're the retarded one

>>19663341
I was told to shit post in this thread.

>>19664243
you're late, as you can see it's well under way

>>19664233
>>>/int/93591279

By whom?

>>19664243
welcome take over my shift and respond to the guy trying to say that beginners might be able to successfully recite arbitrary text with proper phonetics, inflection, and stress for me

>>19664242
If you're using that word in every argument you get into as a failsafe when you're out of intelligent things to say and you don't even know what it actually means then I think you're the actual retard here.

>>19664253
but i don't
in fact i'm not the person who said it in the first place

>>19664255
Oh fuck dude you got me again, I mistook someone on an anonymous image board! Clearly mixing anonymous users up puts me at a severe disadvantage. I'm glad you took the time to point this fact out because it definitely mattered in this conversation.

>>19664260
hey man i always try to have good faith and assume the people i'm talking to are intelligent, well-adjusted, and not hostile

This is the saddest attempt I've seen someone try at justifying not recording a vocaroo.

>>19664262
Wow me too but then I got hit with the bad faith meme, my hostility is spawned from your hostility.

>>19664264
that wasn't me though in fact i just said so

>>19664266
>He doesn't even know about the plural you
ESL?

>>19664267
sorry but plural you doesn't have to include the individual that is the second person

so why are you trying to get 2000 posts?

>>19664264
this is just like one of my shounen animes

>>19664270
honestly i probably have like 20k at this point

>>19664263
Explain to me how having good pronunciation confirms or denies that good pronunciation does not mean you're not a beginner and I'll consider it. So far all I got was bitter virgins shouting that I'm wrong with no evidence to the contrary, and when I gave evidence they just started spitting out the bad faith meme.
In other words they are, dare I say, acting in bad faith. Unwilling to give an actual argument while denying the other side's argument unjustfully.

>>19664276
One cannot produce correct stress for arbitrary sentences as a beginner.

One needs to understand HOW the language's grammar works, not just what means what, to be able to do so. Anyone who understand HOW the language's grammar works is automatically at least an intermediate. If you do not agree with this, then you simply do not know enough of any language other than your first language, or enough about linguistics, to be having this conversation at all.

Any definition of beginner that includes neurologically healthy people that truly understand the language's grammar is a worse-than-useless definition of beginner.

>>19664276
>shouting that I'm wrong

>>19664163

yeah that sure looks like yelling with no evidential points being made

>>19664281
>One cannot produce correct stress for arbitrary sentences as a beginner.
[citation needed]

>One needs to understand HOW the language's grammar works, not just what means what, to be able to do so.
[citation needed]

>Anyone who understand HOW the language's grammar works is automatically at least an intermediate.
I agree.

>If you do not agree with this, then you simply do not know enough of any language other than your first language, or enough about linguistics, to be having this conversation at all.
ad hominem, disregarded.

>Any definition of beginner that includes neurologically healthy people that truly understand the language's grammar is a worse-than-useless definition of beginner.
ad hominem, disregarded.

>>19664286
citations?

>>19664276
also your evidence is completely irrelevant because it concerns memorizing individual lines one at a time, not speaking an arbitrary bunch of lines that someone else prompts you with

if you actually think that remains relevant then you're a lost cause

>>19664290
let's try this again
https://vocaroo.com/?upload
record yourself and put it up
the quest is not proper pronunciation, it is the ability to read the text clearly, including the words that don't have furigana (which are all very basic)
if you cannot do this then you are not credentialed enough to have an opinion on what people are beginners

If you can pronounce Japanese well, as in recite full sentences that sound largely correct, you are almost certainly not a beginner. It is THEORETICALLY possible to be a complete beginner with good pronunciation but this is highly unlikely.

However, even if you are not a beginner, you may not be able to pronounce Japanese well.

Is there anyone in these threads that disagrees with these two statements?

>>19664290
you don't know japanese

>>19664290
>>19664297
my bad have one with text on it
https://vocaroo.com/?upload

also telling you that you don't know enough about a topic is not an ad-hominem attack, it's fucking advice. take some for once

>>19664293
>also your evidence is completely irrelevant because it concerns memorizing individual lines one at a time
She learned to phonetically cold-read lines but she still can't speak French.

>not speaking an arbitrary bunch of lines that someone else prompts you with
Good thing I was given an arbitrary bunch of lines prompted by someone else to "prove" I have good pronunciation the, huh.

>if you actually think that remains relevant then you're a lost cause
ad hominem, disregarded.

>>19664299
ad hominem, disregarded.

>>19664297
>if you cannot do this then you are not credentialed enough to have an opinion on what people are beginners
reasoning needed, see >>19664276

>>19664219
t.できない

>>19664307
>She learned to phonetically cold-read lines
individual lines that she memorized one at a time
>Good thing I was given an arbitrary bunch of lines prompted by someone else to "prove" I have good pronunciation the, huh.
you have the reading comprehension of an angry sixteen year old, which is probably what you are

>>19664315
>you have the reading comprehension of an angry sixteen year old, which is probably what you are
ad hominem, disregarded

>>19664309
何でお前は日本語が喋れない
>>19664318
you don't know japanese

>>19664307
>She learned to phonetically cold-read lines
>Good thing I was given an arbitrary bunch of lines
i wonder how these two points go together

Is it a good idea to be intentionally be "accidentally" rude/annoying/weird once you already know japanese and are very fluent just to piss off native speakers?

>>19664322
they don't

Why are we trying to make someone recite something instead of trying to make them translate a brief text from Japanese into English or English into Japanese? I would never vocaroo my own voice because I don't want it on 4chan and I'm not on either side of this big shit festival.

Heh, Japan.

>>19664320
ad hominem, disregarded.

It sure is strange how, from your side of the argument, what seems to be 80% of what I'm getting is ad hominems. hmmmmm


>>19664322
She can say arbitrary lines with a perfect accent which is what you are asking me to do. She cannot speak French, therefore me doing this does not prove anything about my Japanese.

>>19664328
>She can say arbitrary lines with a perfect accent which is what you are asking me to do.
that's not what arbitrary means at all

>>19664324
i genuinely believe you are smarter than this

>>19664323
Yes

>>19664331
Thanks.
They won't notice, right?

>>19664330
it's ironic that he's trying to piece them together if that's what you're saying
>>19664326
i will always accept translations instead of recordings

>>19664328
The fact it is possible to learn to phonetically cold read Japanese without knowing Japanese is irrelevant because 99.99% of people do not learn Japanese this way. It's harder than French for a very, very, very fucking obvious reason.

The overwhelming majority of people who are able to recite a text they read will know Japanese and the overwhelming majority of people who know Japanese will be able to recite a simple text.

>>19664329
It doesn't matter to me, I was just using similar vocabulary as the other guy to stay on the same page as him. He called his page from toradora arbitrary despite it not being so so I'm following suit to make the conversation flow.

>>19664339
Yes, none of us learn Japanese that way because it's stupid to do so. But the fact you can proves that you can pronounce perfectly without being past a beginner level.

>>19664335
Even if they do notice it's not like you'll see them again, unless they live in your area or something

>>2331919

>>19664328
would it make you feel better if i admitted that you could spend a couple of weeks paying a native speech coach to coach you on the page before you get back to us and it is hypothetically possible that we would be rused?
if i admitted that it's not foolproof even though it still gives information?

>>19664339
French is an order of magnitude harder than Japanese, if only because French speakers act IRL like you shitposting goons towards French-second-language speakers. Plus fuck verb conjugations, Japanese has fucking none in comparison.

>>19664343
>It doesn't matter to me, I was just using similar vocabulary as the other guy to stay on the same page as him.
this is like
one of the definitions of bad faith
using words you don't understand the meanings of in context
>He called his page from toradora arbitrary
when it comes to reciting it, yes, it is very arbitrary. you have never seen any of it before. it was selected on his whim. which is one of the definitions of arbitrary. the lines that the actor spoke in that movie were not arbitrary. they were, in fact, the very definition of specific. she learned to recite specific lines, not arbitrary ones.

this isn't hard to understand. you have the reasoning skills of an angry highschooler.

>>19664349
It would make me feel better if you admitted that you could do the same by listening to anime or JDrama for a week.

By the way, I have pretty good pronunciation for every word that's in my lexicon. Words I haven't seen before I obviously would have to sound out and struggle through the first time.

>>>/wsg/2331919

>>19664338
we should run contests in these threads

at a designated time, someone posts an excerpt from something with a designated translation deadline, and everyone more than 20 seconds late on the answer will be disqualified for cheating (anyone who posts an answer BEFORE the deadline will be ruining the game, but oh well whatcha gonna do)

it'll be fun

>>19664357
>I have pretty good pronunciation for every word that's in my lexicon.
that's... not how pronunciation of entire sentences and lines of narration works
you don't know japanese
>>19664362
this might save djt

>>19664363
I was talking about English.

>>19664366
uh

>>19664357
i am very strongly convinced by this post alone that you do not know japanese
if you can even phonetically read that page i will admit that you are right about everything
i'm not the main guy you're arguing with but that should count for something right

>>19664355
>using words you don't understand the meanings of in context
Ad hominem. Disregarded

>this isn't hard to understand. you have the reasoning skills of an angry highschooler.
Ad hominem. Disregarded.

>>19664363
>you don't know japanese
Ad Hominem. Disregarded.

this thread is gona 404 once it hits the bump limit.

>>19664382
thank you so much please 404 it asap

don't worry mixed-case will revive it if no one else does so he can have his playground back

>>19663341
pussy

looking forward to the next itazuraneko update anyone else?

>>19664370
Don't worry, I intentionally wrote it vaguely so that you would fall into the trap of saying that it's wrong.
I am fluent in English, a native actually. But words I have not seen before, I cannot pronounce the first time correctly. That's how it is with everyone, you can only sound it out.
That's also how it is in Japanese and every other language ever.
"You can't pronounce well until you're past beginner"? That's so incorrect it hurts, it's total bad faith to say that. A beginner could perfectly pronounce something like 僕は（名前）です。 Despite what you might want to say, that constitutes as correct pronunciation. Correct pronunciation for words in their lexicon. Words not in their lexicon? Fuck no, they can't pronounce those words. Neither can you. Neither can a native. You have to hear it at least once or else get extremely lucky.

>>19664392
this entire post is the definition of bad faith lmao

>>19664394
>Reading the post in 30 seconds, thinking of a reply, and writing it.
Nice job not reading the post before replying. Total bad faith.

>>19664400
yes actually it only took me 30 seconds to read

>>19664363
i propose the following:

1. everyone should be synchronized to time.gov (or any other NIST time source)
2. you're done working at the deadline; you have 30 seconds to put in the captcha or DQ
3. it will hardly prevent cheating, but post translations in spoilers anyway
4. if you cheat at this game you're a loser of truly unimaginable proportions

do you want to go first, or me? i suggest something shorter than a full page of toradora just because the shorter it is the more people are likely to casually drop in to play even when they have nothing to prove

>>19664403
just tell people to set their autoupdate intervals to less then 10 seconds and make a post when the scheduled time hits

any post that comes in more than 45 seconds after your post is DQ'd

>>19664402
Mind replying to my actual argument or are you just replying to feel good about yourself and take something you believe is the high ground? Because every post you don't is a post that's further driving your side into the dirt.

>>19664412
arguing in bad faith isn't actually arguing

>>19664403
Just read random NHK EASY pages

>>19664392
>A beginner could perfectly pronounce something like 僕は（名前）です。
i'd be genuinely shocked if you could do this at this point
is your strategy to spend an hour lowering everyone's expectations so it's easy to impress?
you're going to call this ad hominem so i'll throw out something helpful for you:
this was never about being perfect, the mistakes that are made are illuminating of your skill level, missing a word is not necessarily a problem and you are changing the subject by complaining about it

Why the hell does 大味 mean flavorless?

>>19664424
expansive, flat, bland, neutral

>>19664420
>i'd be genuinely shocked if you could do this at this point
ad hominem.

>is your strategy to spend an hour lowering everyone's expectations so it's easy to impress?
ad hominem and strawman

>you're going to call this ad hominem so i'll throw out something helpful for you:
This sentence doesn't make the above an ad hominem, it just means you were fully aware it was and still did it.

>this was never about being perfect, the mistakes that are made are illuminating of your skill level, missing a word is not necessarily a problem and you are changing the subject by complaining about it
I agree, if you said this at the beginning instead of saying that you LITERALLY CAN'T have good pronunciation without being AT LEAST intermediate then maybe we wouldn't have had a shit flinging contest. Instead you decided to paint it in a black-white picture.

>>19664424
if you actually look up 大味 on google images by the way you will realize that it does not mean "bland like cardboard" but rather bland like rice or other starches mixed with random ingredients that keep it from tasting like anything in particular

>>19664430
>LITERALLY CAN'T have good pronunciation without being AT LEAST intermediate
the argument was actually that anyone who has good pronunciation is automatically no longer a beginner and i'm the one that said it not them
but okay

>>19664430
>LITERALLY CAN'T have good pronunciation without being AT LEAST intermediate
>would it make you feel better if i admitted that you could spend a couple of weeks paying a native speech coach to coach you on the page before you get back to us and it is hypothetically possible that we would be rused?
>if i admitted that it's not foolproof even though it still gives information?
not much else is true, you can't have good pronunciation without being intermediate unless you are coached fairly rigorously, specifically for what you're about to pronounce

>>19664447
see >>19664163
>you literally cannot place stress on the correct syllables if you have too poor of an understanding of the language's grammar's inner workings

Even if this wasn't you, which I'm sure it wasn't, you had an opportunity to say that's not true but you chose not to because you perceived them as your side and didn't want to debase them even a little bit.

>>19664454
yes
someone who can place stress on the right syllables of a sentence they were not trained on, and can inflect them correctly, has, by doing so, proven that they have a good understanding of the language's grammar's inner workings

someone who understands the language's grammar's inner workings is automatically at least intermediate; any definition of beginner that includes some people whose grammar so good is not a valid definition of beginner

>>19664390
>update
wut

>>19664411
that feel when you have a vanilla 4chan setup without autoupdater

anyway without further ado i'm just going to try one, everyone is free to play, this might work or might not. i will post something to translate at 04:00 EST (the current time is 3:57 EST).
everyone has fifteen minutes to produce an english translation of a link i will provide. post answers, in spoilers, at 04:15 EST but not before and no more than 45 seconds after.

the material in question will be a ~2 minute excerpt from a C94 crossfade with lyrics provided.

>>19664403
translate it weebs

>>19664465
that sounds longer than necessary desu

>>19664465
translation target: crossfade for yuuhei satellite's C94 album 玉響咲いた背後の永久 tracks 1-4 (ending at 2:22)

link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTq6a4nBgdc

japanese subtitles are available if you pay attention; go

>>19664472
translating lyrics is surprisingly hard, trust me
not him btw

>>19664465
>>19664473
retard

>>19664403
>time.gov
>Please enable JavaScript in order to use this application.

I wonder if its easier to understand Japanese if it's explained in another language
like maybe a japanese concept translates better or is easier to understand in Spanish or Russian or German or something instead of English

you people need to be a lot more aware of your hothouse attitudes when it comes to people with different studying methods

If you realize that you are knitting in eternal purple it will be knitted
If you come true I want to leave the gap of this crowd
No signal that can not be done I can not do anything
I want you to notice I am showing you
Show me it is only once to stretch out the middle of the dark I want to know

Noticed by the fingertips
This cryogenic disappearance should be changed
I want to change my tears and I want to tell Asterisk

Hey it looks like a baby and there is no power
But the night sky that has been in the fog forever spreading the moon also holds a small life and holds up the fog over the sky that flows the fog

>>19664473
紫に靡く永遠を
This eternity that bends in violet shades
玉響結んで編み込んだ
Will be woven together in transient waves
叶うならこの胸騒ぎの
If one desires to clear this unease
隙間を残したい
I say let it sit in between this gap's eaves

境目のない静かな夜に
言葉になりきらないシグナル
この駆け引きは
何も出来ない君に見せているの

気付いてほしいただ一度だけ
想いを風に流すシグナル
暗闇の中手を伸ばすのは
あなたを知りたくて


指先で気付くこの
凍明な消えるはずの涙形変えて
凍る声の代わりに
伝えたいアスタリスク


ねぇ赤子のようで
力はないけど
ずっと霧の中にいて
月を広げた

晴れない夜空も
小さな生命を
繋いで露を流す
空にかざして


It took me like 13 minutes just to transcribe it lmao.

>>19664473
1.
If you don't wish it, you can (???) your dream
An eternity that flutters in violet,
is bound woven together with a fleeting instant-
If my wish could be fulfilled, I would hope that
the gap of this pounding heart could go on

2.
This flying, (?) cold wind blows
In this borderless, silent night
This signal that could not be expressed in words
The deal I want to make
is to show you a me that was unable to do anything.
I would like you to notice, just once,
The signal that sends my thoughts flying on the wind
The reason I reach out my hand in this dead of the night
is because I wanted to know you...

3.
(???) will show you!
My fingertips notice those,
tears that should have dried up,
in exchange for this frozen voice of mine
the asterisk i wanted to communicate

i've been totally blown out

>>19664532
>>19664534
>>19664538
well there we have it

three attempts total, nobody finished, at least two of these three people are wrong and i wouldn't bet on the third one being right either

nobody in this thread knows japanese

>>19664538
i'm going to call you the winner but i come in close second with google translate the hero
>>19664534
transcribing was a mistake i only did it to shitpost and it took me the same amount of time

>>19664553
fifteen minutes is actually a terribly short amount of time to translate 24 lines of lyrics

i've spent a total of sixteen hours trying to translate Two Fucking Stanzas from one of my favorite songs (which has a terrible translation) and ended up with something barely passable

遠い面影は今
遠いあの空の下
離れた距離さえも
今では見えない

夢に霞んだ夢を
過去に忘れた今を
別れた 遠い日さえ
もう跡形も無い
もう跡形も無い


Far away, now a distant shadow looms
Far away, under the horizon blue
No matter how distant it may be
It can no longer be seen

Dream a dream, a hazy fleeting dream
Scene by scene, long forgotten what it means
I leave myself, even who I praised
Leaving not a single trace
Leaving not a single trace

>>19664553
honestly thought that was quite fun desu we should do it again some other time, maybe with more advance warning so that more people will participate. i don't even want to start "QCing" these translations, i can't speak for anyone else's but mine isn't anything i'd even think about submitting anywhere.

i encourage other people to think of challenges for this thread so we can do something during our long and inevitable thread downtime rather than argue about the same thing we argued about last thread for the 2917483th time.

Do this one, you have 30 minutes.

死刑。
とっても、普通の死に方なんてさせない……。
もっと屈辱的で……もっと苦痛にみちたもの……。ああ、そうそう、泣き叫んでも許してはやらないよ。まずは、公衆の面前で、裸にむき縛り上げる。これはもちろん、男も女も、そして灼熱に焼いた鋏で、右足のふくらはぎを……つぎに腿を、右の腕を……最後に胸をくり抜く……女子は乳房までくり抜かれて肉からは骨が見える。このくりぬかれたそれぞれの穴に……鉄のひしゃくで煮えたぎるどろどろの鉛を流し込む。ふくらはぎに……腿に……腕に……当然胸のくりぬかれた穴にも……。まるで焼き肉みたいな臭いがあたりに立ちこめる。どろどろの鉛は内部から君たちの肉を焼いていくんだ。ポタ、ポタ……。？なんだこれ？雨？いや違う、涙だ。白目
が涙でぬれる。うふふふふふふ、その涙の量の何倍も、ボクは泣いてきたんだ。ザマァないね。誰も君に同情しないよ。それは、今までだれもボクに同情なんてしなかった様に……誰も君になんか同情はしない死刑はまだまだ続くよ。次に、繋駕用の綱を馬と……君たちの腿と脚と腕に沿って四肢と……それぞれに結びつけて……。一気に曳かせる……。でも聞いた話によると、馬をもってしても四肢の切断は容易ではないみたいだよ。何度も何度も馬に曳かせる。そのたびに君たちは名状しがたい苦しみの声をあげるだろう。四頭では足りず……六頭にする。それでも切り落とす事は出来ない……。四半時間……馬が君たちを曳き裂こうとするけど……いっこうに四肢は切断されない。仕方がない……ボクの指示で死刑人がそれぞれの四肢に短刀で切り込みを入れる。その切り込みは骨にまで達するものだ。そうでもしないと馬で切断する
事は出来ないというからね……この状態で馬が全力をあげて曳くと、肉が派手にはじける音。骨が砕かれる音。とうとう四肢は切断される。でもね、人間はそんなになっても死なないらしいよ。そんな状態なのにもがき苦しむらしい。あたかも話でもしている様に、下のあごが上下している……総理大臣のボクは、その光景を見ながら、最後の命令をする。「薪の山の中に放り込め！」ちぎられた手足……そして最後に胴体……バラバラにされながらも、死ねない。ただ、生きながらにして燃やされる。

To be fair, you have to have a high IQ to understand Subahibi.

pass

>>19664534
>>19664538
i also want to place on the record that not a single one of our gallant participants was able to transcribe OR translate the partial lines in the songs that were not subtitled because they were part of the fade-in, which just goes to show you that truly japanese subtitles are lifesavers, i would truly hate to see the sad results that would have resulted if the XFD didn't come with them

for completion's sake i'll just examine the two translations provided for song 1:

>This eternity that bends in violet shades
>Will be woven together in transient waves
>If one desires to clear this unease
>I say let it sit in between this gap's eaves
this looks decent, and super bonus points for attempting to produce a translation in song form - i'm just very uncertain about the last line and hopefully somebody can specify what the true answer is

>An eternity that flutters in violet,
>is bound woven together with a fleeting instant-
>If my wish could be fulfilled, I would hope that
>the gap of this pounding heart could go on
"pounding heart" is probably a failed translation of munesawagi due to non-recognition of the phrase, i can see the interpretation of the last two stanzas but still not sure here

japanese is so hard

I fucking hate Kansai and every writer that includes it to make their characters so unique XD

>>19664611
>i'm just very uncertain about the last line and hopefully somebody can specify what the true answer is
if you're curious i destroyed the relative clause spanning lines on purpose and willingly; i was literally seconds away from the deadline and already had a rhyme pop into my head to use

>>19664594
I've got some stuff I need to attend to but I will attempt up to the 涙だ by trying to squeeze in five or ten minutes before the deadline. Yes, I'm a flake. I might not even do it. I wouldn't want to shatter anyone's very low expectations or anything.

>>19664614
I fucking hate Scotland and every writer that includes it to make their characters so unique XD

>>19664614
That's a sign of your immaturity. Kansai is just a thing in Japanese language and culture. TV show hosts often speak kansai, for instance (you may know of Arino from Game Center CX). Saying you hate Kansai and every writer that includes it is like saying you hate contractions and characters only say "don't" instead of "do not" because the writer is trying to make the characters sound so unique XD.

>>19664611
ああ
望まないなら
夢に忍ばせてみた

飛ばすのさ
未来へ
風が吹く

（？？？）見せてよ

惑わせる自分は
どこでも触れている

>>19664611
>>19664639
None of the translation attempts are mine btw.

>>19664594
Death penalty.
I will totally not let you die normally.
More humiliating... more painful... Ah, so so, I will not forgive you even if you scream. First of all, in front of the public, tied up naked. Of course, both men and women, with burning scissors with burning heat, to the calves of the right leg... Next to the thigh, the right arm... finally hollowing out the chest... girls are hollowed out to the breasts from the meat so that I can see the bones. In each of these hollowed holes... Pour the mushy lead that boils with iron cheese. Into the calves... Into the thigh... In the arms... Naturally also in the hole hollowed out in the chest.... It smells as if you smell like a grilled meat. Mild leaves burn your flesh from the inside. Pota, pota... What? What's this? Rain? No, it is a tear. White eyes
I get wet with tears. Hey, hey, how many times that amount of tears I cried. There is no Zama. No one will feel sympathy for you. It seems that no one ever compassed me to sympathize... Nobody has any sympathy for you. No. The death penalty will continue. Next, the rope for hanging up with a horse... Attach it to your limbs... along your thighs, legs and arms... I instruct them to pull at once. But according to the story I heard, it seems that it is not easy to cut limbs with a horse. Pull on a horse again and again. Every time you will give a voice of suffering that I can not name. It is not enough with four heads... to six heads. Still it can not be cut off.... Four hours half... The horse tries to torn you guy... but the limbs are not cut at all. It can not be helped... The death penalty puts a notch in each limb with a dagger with instructions from me. The incision reaches the bone. If you do not do it, you cut it with a horse.
It is because you can not do things... When the horse pulls with full force in this state, the sound where meat gets splashy. Sounds where bones are crushed. At last the limbs are cut. But it seems that human beings will not die if they become so much. Although it is in such a state it seems to struggle to suffer. As if you are talking, the lower jaw is moving up and down... Prime minister I will give the last command while watching the sight. "Put it in the mountain of firewood!" Trapped limbs... and finally the trunk... While being separated apart, you can not die. Just keep it alive and burn it.
honestly this is the quality of translation it deserves and i hope this is the quality of translation available

>>19664611
also I think the last two lines are an answer to the first two lines: it's a common theme in touhou fandom that gensoukyou - or life in it - is very temporary (e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b96TuiF0Flg ) and I feel like it's saying that they want to leave behind one of their few moments of clarity, the "gap" between their other apprehensions. bonus points for being a gap pun

>>19664652
by the way this song is brilliant song listening practice

>>19664647
Good job

>>19664611
>i also want to place on the record that not a single one of our gallant participants was able to transcribe OR translate the partial lines in the songs
i was wondering if they were supposed to be included given that we were told in advance there would be lyrics

>>19664658
i was going to high ass it and really polish the turd but i had a hard time going through with it as i started to see more of the wonder that i was working with

>>19664647
What the fuck did you just fucking say about SCA-自, you little bitch? I'll have you know he graduated top of his class in Tokyo University, and has been involved in numerous EGS-certified kamige, and has over 5 authored games. He is trained in continental philosophy and is the top scenario writer in the entire eroge industry. You are nothing to him but just another gaijin. He will wipe you the fuck out with wordsmithery the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth.

now this is the kind of shitposting i like to see /jp/ djt have thank you all for participating and i look forward to working with all of you from now on

>>19664671
i might genuinely participate next time but i'll have you warned that i'm probably n4 reading comprehension and n6 listening
which admittedly is pretty good around these parts

>>19664677
listen to some music on repeat then listen to some anime on repeat and that n6 will turn into an n3
not joking

>>19664680
(you have to be listening to it intentionally though)

>>19664647
Props for trying.

>>19664652
higher quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdDSouF7DUI

>>19664680
music on repeat hasn't been doing it for me even when full focus is on it
any suggestions on anime to repeat? easy shit seems to often have sparse dialogue

>>19664693
Katanagatari, Tatami Galaxy.

>>19664693
anything with lots of moe girls with hard-to-understand voice actors (really high pitch voices and histrionic accent patterns)

so basically any shounen-demographic girl's life show like gochiusa, umaru, etc

>>19664696
>>19664697
thanks, i've been making excuses against ramping up my listening

>the thread still hasn't been deleted
Remember when the meido had a mental breakdown over people changing the thread name from DJT to OJT? leddit in literally the op and it's still up.
wew

>>19664715
deleting it would mean deleting the single good thing to happen inside djt for weeks

>>19664462
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/updates.html

>>19664715
Of the 36 people in this thread not a single one actually needs or reads the OP, we've all been here forever.

Also I can't believe that all 326 shitposts in this thread were by just 36 posters. We're all gonna make it.

My name is April. Would it be appropriate to use 四月? Or should I write it エイプル? エイプリル?

I'm trying to figure out namely two things. The first is whether or not it's appropriate to write it in Kanji like that. Since 四月 is essentially just "The month of April" in Japanese (4th month). And my name has the same origin in English (4th month).

The second question was for when I write it out in katakana. I'm not sure whether I should include or exclude the リ.

I realize most western names don't/can't translate, and as a result it could just be odd. Wasn't sure where/who to ask, so I figured I'd post here.

Is it weird? Inappropriate? Simply incorrect? Perhaps something like 四月? I just thought it'd be a neat stylistic thing, but I'd rather not do it if it'd come across poorly.

Thanks for the help :)

レディットの再生糞ですか
わあい！
いただきま～す

>>19664727
looks like quality shitposting time is over and it's amateur hour again

see you all tomorrow

>>19664724
we have nothing else going for us so let's hope we make it
>>19664732
same

Guys my parents fund my japanese notebook and I'm freaking out. Both of my great-granddads died during WW2 in the pacific, my grandparents absolutely HATE the japanese. My grandmom was the one who found it. I feel like I'm spitting on the graves of my ancestors, the shame is too much. I'm done.

>>19664727
Just use katakana. It comes across as obnoxious if you try to use kanji.

in approximately 16~17 minutes, at around 5:30 EST, i will post a link to a touhou arrange and also its lyrics if i pick and transcribe it on time
your task is to translate it in under 30 minutes. your post should be in at around 6:00 EST. i will tolerate anyone who posts up to 30 minutes plus 45 seconds after the original post, even if it's after 6:00 EST.

bonus points for:
- sounding musical
- matching the original song's meter and stress patterns
- not using generic purple prose to sneak in rhymes (unless you think the original song is doing so)

the translation does not need to be complete; if you translate half the song (as in up to the 50% time mark), your entry is valid

>>19664652
Thanks for sharing this. I always liked reading the lyrics of Touhou doujin songs (in translation), it's part of what made me want to learn Japanese in the first place. Alstroemeria Records is always classic.

>>19664767
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSK4xr1h4_c

actually i didn't transcribe the lyrics myself, i found them floating around, but they appear to have been transcribed by an amateur (like myself) judging by them containing spaces

so make sure you actually listen to the song and don't just translate the lyrics with edict lmao

童の心
まっすぐな歌
ずっとずっと　遠くに響け

童の願い
まっすぐば夢
きっと叶えて
（壱　弐　参　肆　春よ来い）

一片の　语り部は
心の機微　を史　に託す
始まりの　呼声を　かけて　ゆく

不確かな　紅い目は　歴史を綴る園を護る
歲月を　積み重ねてゆく

幾つもの　枝葉を　拾い集めて
流れ着く　さながら　河の様に

-- halfway mark --

道行きの　琴弾きは　高鳴る願いを音にする
白と黒　謠いを奏でて　いる

寄る辺もない　長い黒髪　塗れた绘筆で色を染めて
人形にも　命の声　高らかに
（壱　弐　参　肆　春よ来い）

嗚呼　童の心
まっすぐな歌
ずっとずっと遠くに響け

童の心
よっつの心
ずっと響けよぉ

>>19664801
ps: the lyrics contain hanzi that i didn't bother to swap out for kanji but if you're not translating with edict as a crutch that shouldn't be a problem for you!!!

ときはなたれよう

おにいちゃんのじょうしきから

What the fuck is this?

>>19664862
A Kanji for ants.

>>19664862
chickenscratch

>>19664865
Here you go, friend.

>>19664801
Innocent youthful heart,
Straightforward child's song,
Ever and ever echoing on and on -

Innocent youthful wish,
Straightforward child's dreams,
will surely come true one day
one, two, three, four, come, now, spring -

A single petal, the narrator of the court,
commits the subtleties of the heart to the written word,
The first cry comes flying,

These uncertain red eyes protect the garden that bound together history.
Piling on the passing months and years -
Gathering up countless leaves and branches
Like a river ceaselessly bearing them to shore.

Well, I tried.

>>19664816
>the lyrics contain hanzi that i didn't bother to swap out for kanji
What? Where?

>>19664801
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc1nh_zZEcA
translate this faggot

>>19664875
Oh nevermind.

>>19664874
Hey, as far as I know, you might be the only entry. Looks like the thread is in dead mode right now.

>>19664875
语り部
绘筆

Yeah,

>>19664874
I reread what I wrote and I already am pretty sure I got a chunk of that wrong. C'est la vie.

TL Note: C'est la vie means shikata ga nai.

挟射させられたい

>>19664892
You did better than I'd do in such limited time with such an antique-flavored song.

I'm finding RTK quite fun so far
I just don't trust Heisig anymore after some particularly wacky keywords
I do a quick search on each kanji to see what it roughly means and if the given keyword lines up with it, and if I want to make my own keyword a quick ctrl+f checks to make sure I am not duplicating
and inventing your own stories is a lot of fun (some of his are just shit)
but all in all I am finding the process enjoyable and that's what counts

>>19664888
>>19664899
I worked to get the first stanzas to match the meter of the song, but that took enough time that there was no way I could even try for the next two (assuming they've even met a base standard of correctness) and left it at that. Well, victory by default is still victory.

Also, all sane Americans are asleep and all proper Europeans are at work. The only people left are people like us and I'm about to disappear myself. No doubt someone will come along and eviscerate my work when non-dead hours return.

>>19664874
Very good, my friend!

ごご - how are you supposed to pronounce this?
Sorry if this has been asked, I can't find anywhere online or in the archive's search-bar. I'm going through Genki I on my own after a class I was in disbanded - we always pronounced it as "gogo", but it does not seem like it should be pronounced that way according to Genki. It sounds more like "gomo" to me, but I can't tell. How am I supposed to say this? Is it one of those things that's pronounced differently depending on region? Like in Germany with ich: "eesh" or "ick"?

>>19665056
its pronounced gogo

Why?

Based KKLC

>>19665056
Why do think it would be pronounced gomo?

>>19665078
>>19665097
where do they come up with this shit

>>19665056
https://forvo.com/word/%E3%81%94%E3%81%94/#ja
looks like the second 'go' is a bit nasalised sometimes
just a variation I'd say

>>19663455
I double checked the reddit guide and I can confirm it's much worse because it doesn't place enough emphasis on the importance of early reading, and instead dedicates an extra couple paragraphs to further textbook study with shit like Tobira.

>>19665196
The reddit guide is much better.

>>19663458
I don't really get this belief system, or why redditors think they're being nice. I think if you pressed them they would say "Well X is theoretically faster but not everyone can keep up their motivation doing X, so we try to encourage people to do what they want." But how many people quit Japanese because their "preferred" method is inefficient and isn't actually as enjoyable as they thought it would be, and they spend months/years making little progress? That's what textbook study is to me.

>>19665220
it's really not
textbooks are not a viable way to get good at using japanese

>>19665220
"The reddit guide" refers to the /r/learnjapanese guide, not the /r/visualnovels guide. You know. The one someone put in the OP.

>>19665307
Then maybe you should use the /r/visualnovels guide since it's better

>>19665339
We already have a guide that's better than the normal djt guide. https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/alternativeguide.html

And the OP site contains a lot more than just the guide. It contains a full mirror of Tae Kim and A Dictionary of Japanese Grammar, among other things.

>>19665350
>better than the normal djt guide
So is the /int/ DJT thread the normal one and this is Neo DJT?

>>19665411
They're both the "normal" djt. This thread was just made by a troll. The OP is supposed to have two guide links, just like the /int/ one.

>>19665414
頭が痛いよね

i've read 900 pages of yotsuba and i don't really feel any smarter

>>19665532
so read something more difficult

>>19665541
like what
i've already read dies irae in english

>>19665556
hanahira

>>19665561
how's tht hard

>>19665570
hanahira is the hardest japanese known to mankind. not even the greatest multidisciplinary linguists like George Henry Shaft could crack its secrets. only a monk who has trained the mountains for ten years, consuming over fifty thousand hours of unsubtitled japanese anime, can hope to glimps at its soul at anything more than a surface level, and understand the true nature of ギャップ萌え.

>>19665350
Oh no the shill is back!

>>19665578
woow

wow can't believe I forgot this after 3 months. what a trash book.

>>19665587
Seriously? The site in the OP is no longer being updated. So someone started a new website so that it could continue to be updated. That's all.

>>19665532
It's because manga isn't reading

>>19665679
His ego was wounded after people called out his temper tantrum over the site design (even after the owner implemented changes we requested) and now he thinks he needs to establish dominance by attacking the new site for no reason.

>>19665692
Oh my apologize, I didn't realize you were handicapped.

>>19665674
亖

>>19665720
It's still not reading.
Serious answer though, start reading harder things or something with more words. There's a reason why hanahira is recommended, but you're best off checking starter material in the CoR. When at a loss you should always check what stage of the guide you're in

>>19665843
hanahira isn't actually recommended for any good reason other than its short length just fyi

>>19665845

>>19665850
Has this ever happened to you guys before?

>>19665845
>>19665850
>>19665856
Why the hell are you reading that in English?

>>19665893
Why are you typing in English then.

>>19665679
>>19665705
There's nothing wrong with the new site but the "alternative guide" page that you linked had been shilled here for months even though it's shit and filled with obnoxiously-presented opinions, you'd know if you weren't so painfully new.

やっぱりアノン君は漢字が苦手なんですかあ？
after all, anon are you Kanji weak?

How to study Kanji and learn Japanese Grammar at the same time?

Absolute beginner here. I am struggling a bit with understanding how to best coordinate these two things. Since Kanji is essentially a script, there is this tendency in me that says "Ok, first you learn the script (=all the kanji), then you can start learning the actual language (=vocab & grammar)"

However, this doesn't seem to be a clever approach when learning Japanese. At the same time I don't understand how to go about it, coordinating both things - I have started with the free version of WaniKani and have also now started with Genki (Chapter 1), but already here there doesn't seem to be much overlap.

Whats your advice?

>>19665427
retard

>>19665916
I wanna piledrive these redditors so bad.

Hi guys, I'm a beginner with the language and have been trying on and off to learn for years. I'm extremely prone to distraction, so I was hoping there was an interesting or fun way to learn kanji that would help me remember. I used the app "Learn It! Japanese" to memorize all of the kana, which I still have a bit of trouble remembering sometimes, but I've got it down to the point where I can reference pretty quickly in a sentence if I forget one.

I really want to beat Kanji into my head so I can start reading some basic sentences or books or whatnot. One of my personal goals is to be able to play a simple video game (already tried pokemon, but I understand zero Japanese grammar and how to put together lines and lines of kana to make out words).

What would be the BEST resource for someone like me to learn the basics of kanji and Japanese grammar at the same time so I can start building up my knowledge past the kana? I'm really lost here, guys. Learning alone is hard.

minna genki? lmao

>>19663804
Anki w/RTK 6th edition decks
Kanji study phone app (select rtk 6th edition)
I never used the rtk books they were shit, but I like the order they use for studying. It links things together better.
Once you know the meaning of them all start studying vocab compound kanji and learn the reading of the kanji. You should have picked up half the reading using Anki anyways.
After that you need to memorize/create sentences, and have started reading regularly to keep up with the kanji.
All this while hopefully watching nothing but japanese stuff with no subtitles.
After 2 years you'll be N1

>>19665931
元気だよ～
im fine

>>19665904
Because he clearly couldn't understand me if I typed in Japanese.

>>19665927
Look at the link in OP and read the guide.

>>19665963
you might wanna look at the op first before you say that

yall need jesus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoB4bjQ2frs

>>19665965
Oh fuck, OP is retarded. Nevermind then. Use this guide then
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/guide.html

>>19665965
>advising a reddit copypasta to read a reddit guide
what's the problem?