/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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>>19652595
Stop shilling your website already.

you gotta drop that hater boner dude

>>19652646
The old website stopped being updated several months back.

>>19652595
Thank you, I was able to get some nice clean resources from that site.

sakubi is still the best

>starting the day
>250 kanji reviews
>仕方ないね?
>start listening to some classical music
>done in 40 minutes
I'm feeling the gains bros.

Have you managed to make Japanese a part of your everyday life?

>>19652882
I talk to myself in Japanese sometimes and that's about it. I don't have anyone else to talk to, since I'm keeping my studies a secret from my friends and family.

>>19652905
>not using Japanese as your main party trick

>>19652920
>parties
what year is this lol

I've started on my Core2k very recently, but how am I supposed to actually learn the kanji themselves?
Writing them down on paper a bunch of times and trying to form some basic sentences is the way to go right? What is the best dictionary to look them up so I dont draw them all wrong?
Should I start using RememberingTheKanji or studying radicals as well?

>>19652941
Anki has been almost useless for me when it comes to kanji. I just skim through Remembering the Kanji and use apps like Takoboto and Tsukiji for checking them out. Also, don't write them in your notebook more than once. It's a waste of time.

minna genki? lmao

>>19652868
yo what the shit i just started listening to this

>>19652991
ううん。元気じゃないだ。

>>19652868
Cute monkey, which island is she from?

>>19652920
Who am I going to impress? The weebs?

>>19652941
>how am I supposed to actually learn the kanji themselves?
why do you think you need to or that there's anything important you wont learn through the actual words that use them
>Writing them down on paper a bunch of times
if you want to, buthow often are you going to use writing you think it should be an early priority? it'll be easier to practice when you know japanese but it's not harmful, only distracting
>trying to form some basic sentences
that's called forced production, do not produce japanese while you suck unless you are required to for uni credits, you will build unnatural habits especially with no one to correct you, only read and repeat sentences made by native speakers
>What is the best dictionary to look them up so I dont draw them all wrong?
any dictionary actually made for japanese (like jisho) or the stroke order font (in the cor on the djt site)
>Should I start using RememberingTheKanji or studying radicals as well?
only if you hit a wall in learning vocab that you can't seem to push through
if you do, consider doing 500-1000 kanji in rtk and then quitting it and going back to fulltime vocab
you don't need to learn the kanji, you need to get used to dealing with them
note that you are more likely to hit a wall if you use core for too long without reading, anki is intended for drilling things that you have looked up before, not for being your initial exposure to what you are learning
consider switching to a mining deck somewhere between 1000 and 2000 words, you should definitely not do core6k or core10k

>>19652981
>apps

>>19653024
>that 20+yo boomer who uses physical

>>19653013
everyone who has ever googled what languages are hard has read that japanese is literally the hardest language on the planet and only a genius could learn it
even if they haven't they will still think you're a genius either because those crazy chinese characters look impossible or because they're monolinguals who are easily impressed by anything anyway
most non-weebs don't know what a weeb is and have no reason to think less of you

>>19653039
Exactly. People always wonder what their names are written like in "Chinese".

>>19653042
Just write it in manyougana and tell them to fuck off.

>>19653039
>you're a genius either because those crazy chinese characters
I look back on these past few months and appreciate how far I've come. They looked like scribbles to me, all indistinguishable from the rest. I'll keep pushing forward because I unironically think there's something beautiful in the Japanese language.

people who think japanese is like beautiful or whatever are ultra kimoi lol

but there is a good amount of cool things that you can do that you cant in english

is it true that the japanese think there's something special about their culture or race and so it's no wonder that white people can't learn kanji or the japanese language?

yes

but its not like its a secret

you just have to ask : )

take a glance at a list of historical accomplishments and it floors me that the japanese could possibly think this, but i guess that's human nature for you.

>>19653039
First of all, Japanese isn't the "hardest language on earth." Chinese is. Second of all, nobody gives a shit that you can do something that 1000000 other people can do, except they're all way better at it.

I want to move to Japan and impose my gaijin beliefs and culture, as they are far superior to the japanese which is why they adopted many of our technologies amongst other things!

I just want them to stop sexually discriminating women in their media

>>19653166
>First of all, Japanese isn't the "hardest language on earth." Chinese is.

>nobody gives a shit that you can do something that 1000000 other people can do
normal people do find it impressive. because people think there is a difference between learning a second language as an adult and acquiring it as children.

>>19653193
why should they?

theres no such thing as ladies first in japan

btw its a better time for women now in general than its ever been and most ladies got more game than most of the guys be it in work or pimpin

>>19653195
I'd love to see one of these for my language.
At least i'm not finding Japanese pronounciation hard at all since it's basically the same in my language so at least that's a couple days/weeks less of learning

>>19653166
Where did you get that Chinese is harder? Pretty sure it isn't.

>>19653195
>by /u/Fummy

>>19653225
when i think about whether or not a language is difficult, pronunciation difficulty is perhaps the last thing that crosses my mind. that's not to say that it doesn't matter, but i learn a language primarily to comprehend it.

顔に妹がおしっこするよう願っている

>>19653274
no ones gonna wanna even piss on you with nihongo that bad

sure you might learn japanese sooner if you have a high iq but it really doesn't take intelligence to learn japanese or any other language. it takes repetition and persistence more than anything.
most people give up after a month because they realize what a great task it is to learn japanese or any other langauge. they don't have the autistic mindset(doing the same thing every day as if it's a ritual) to learn japanese

i have been studying japanese every day for 3 years now. still can't comprehend or speak it. i must be learning it ineffectually and lazily

At first, i was learning grammar from the 2 genki textbooks and then i just started learning vocabulary using anki and memrise. i moved to whole sentences and have learned some kanji along the way. i am gonna perfect kanji last

i have been just watching misa sensei videos over and over again

>i have been studying japanese every day for 3 years now. still can't comprehend or speak it.
what the fuck

>>19653289
Misa先生は私の顔に座ってほしい

daily reminder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylbmc1hAofg#t=71

>>19653305

yeah i would bang misa sensei

being in love her helps with her learning japanese

she wouldnt bang u tho

>>19653281
But I basically copied the grammar from an example sentence in core

>>19653317

with learning *

I'd bang her stupid face tho

So I just tried reseting my deck. But I'm clearly doing something wrong. I want to start from scratch. With the first intended card. Which was, sore? (don't have jp ime, apologies).

I tried the googles but I'm not getting a working answer. One is to reimport the deck with the one tickbox unticked. Did that, no cigar. The other one, rescheduling all the cards also does not work, I have to manually reschedule each card?

I believe I saw how to do this a few months ago in this thread. Can anyone give a hand?

>>19653325
your grammar god has ravaged the fields of your mind and abandoned you

>>19653325
The absolute state of toilet poster(s).

>>19653325
this is why core sucks

みさせんせいとセックスしたい

>>19653325
you need to watch thousands of hours of anime and read hundreds of volumes of manga before you can start to copy grammar correctly

>>19653331
>the googles
I'd tell you to donate your brain to science but I'm not sure even the world's top minds can do anything with a cabbage that's been hollowed out and filled with mayonnaise. Even worse if this is reddit.

>>19653378
but will you eat her poop?

>>19653166
as should have been evident by my wording, i wasn't making a claim about the reality, but about the perspective that people have due to the data literally everyone cites, as can be seen in >>19653195
although beginner-level japanese is harder than beginner-level chinese from my perspective of not knowing chinese
>>19653247
the image cites where the data is from, don't be an idiot

みさ先生は３Dピグですわ

誰か妬んでる

誰を妬むんかよ

>>19653379
Manga isn't reading though.

>my face when playing vns

vns aren't playing

but they make me play with myself

no you got bored of that samey shit years ago

i didnt get bored of it my biology did

>>19653589
manga is eating

If you do RTK, remember to not rush through it and do like 70 new words/day just so you can say "I get through RTK in a month".

>too slow to do rtk in a month

>>19653920
Is that your pic?

Also 25 feels shitty enough as it is, yet simultaneously agonizingly slow. Kudos to whoever can get through 70 a day for an entire month and then retain all of it. RTK3 is gonna be a fucking bitch though.

>7 months later
>still reviewing rtk
deleting your deck is a required step along the way to enlightenment

rtk is meant to be done fast. anyone telling you to go slow doesn't understand how the method works, aka they did it wrong

>rtk3
you can reach enlightenment faster than that
delete your deck
anata no yumes hontou ni naru

>>19653956
>2 years later
>still reviewing kana
i'll never forget it though

After 7 months the reviews will be so few they'll be trivial to get through, so long as your retention isn't ass. Might as well keep them up or RTK will have been an even greater waste than people already think it is.

>>19653980
>never reviewed kana
i'll never forget it either

>>19653984
>Might as well keep them up or RTK will have been an even greater waste than people already think it is.
you don't even know why you're doing rtk if you unironically think this is

Anki question:
Is there any addon that plays an alert if its getting late and you haven't done your reps?

Some nights I just forget to do it

>>19653985
eh anki is useful for kana when you don't have time to run into it in the wild. its just personal preference

>>19653991
RTK is to write. If you forget how to write then what was the point? You could have just read more.

>>19653996
>when you don't have time to run into it in the wild.
what the fuck are you doing
>its just personal preference
i suppose it is, some people prefer to learn japanese

>>19653993
is calle d smartphonw

>>19653999
>what the fuck are you doing
I keep kana and counters in a separate deck to practice reading them
>some people prefer to learn japanese
feels pretty good too. you should try it

>>19654008
yeah, I too put an alarm for every night, at about 10 pm, titled "Anki, you lazy ass"

>>19653998
>RTK is to write.
can you write?
i mean real japanese, not isolated kanji or copying what you see on the screen

>>19654014
>to practice reading them
if you read at all this isn't a problem for kana
>you should try it
says the guy who still uses a kana deck
and not just a kana deck, a kana recognition deck

>>19654020
No. I have to learn Japanese first.

>>19653953
Of course it is, what, you think I care about others' experiences?

I had better experiences with my own vocab deck

>>19654060
then it seems you don't know how to write after all
what is the purpose of rtk again?

>>19654067
I know how to write kanji in isolation, which is a prerequisite for writing Japanese. Now that I've clarified we should be on the same page now.

>>19654033
some of us are busy and cant read 2 books a day. leave me alone. also i dont shit on your methods, oh yeah your probably too scared to share them.

>>19654028

>>19654067
>what is the purpose of rtk again?

>>19654078
>I know how to write kanji in isolation
who gives a shit, are you going to do 書道
>a prerequisite for writing Japanese
no it's not
>we should be on the same page now.
the page you're not on is that the only reason any beginner should waste any time with rtk is to stop mixing up kanji

>>19654082
>cant read 2 books a day
if you read 30 minutes a day you've got kana covered my dude
>oh yeah your probably too scared to share them.
i waste 20 minutes on anki review of a mining deck and i read 2 hours a day and listen an hour a day
my listening sucks and i need to do more of that
boy i'm tense now that i shared that no bully please

>>19654129
>no bully please
I don't believe you'll ever achieve Japanese fluency.

god i hope that was a decent bully, how did i do

>>19654114
>are you going to do 書道
No, but it's nice having a really good mental image of every kanji to such an extent that I could write them, which also means it's really unlikely I'd mix them up.
>no it's not
It is if you don't want to write with kana only.

>>19654143
shit that got me right here dude
good job

You, J*mal, M*att, and J*mes Heisig are all in a room together and you have a gun but only 2 bullets. Who do you kill?

If I want to do 書道 but I'm not Japanese (or Chinese), how do I get rid of that execrable feeling of "being a weaboo" out of my heart?

>>19654112
>for correlating the writing and the meaning of the Japanese characters
Uh oh. RTK doesn't contain the meanings of the Japanese characters.

>>19654144
>which also means it's really unlikely I'd mix them up.
you can get to this point 1/4 through rt1k
>It is if you don't want to write with kana only.
all you have to do is learn the general stroke order patterns and double-check when you're unsure, then start writing, practicing every single kanji in isolation is completely unnecessary and you can get to the point where you can guess the stroke order of 90-95% of them very quickly
all rtk is good for is if you can't stop mixing words up

>>19654162
Jamal and myself. No way am I putting down two of the greatest Japanese minds to grace this earth.

>>19654054
ur a guy i like

>>19654177
>practicing every single kanji in isolation is completely unnecessary
It's not about stroke order. Recognition isn't recall. If you don't practice recall then you won't be able to write them.

>>19654162
matt is the only threat to new learners
heisig has already done his damage and jamal is doing god's work
but i'm selfish so i'll double-tap myself

>>19654193
Fucking selfish idiot won't even share the bullets, fucking asshole

>>19654189
recalling isolated kanji does absolutely nothing for your ability to write japanese
you need to recall words
there is no benefit to practicing isolated kanji before practicing words
you can give me the "oh but you're still learning the kanji" bullshit but it's different because you're focusing on the actual task that matters and not being distracted by a bunch of bullshit kanji you wont actually write

>>19654204
>you need to recall words
Which you'll be able to do after you learn Japanese. We already clarified this point earlier when we talked about learning to write isolated kanji.
>there is no benefit to practicing isolated kanji before practicing words
This doesn't make sense. You have to know how to write the kanji to write the words. The "isolated" study is better because you're using mnemonics to recall kanji in bulk.

If you dislike that RTK teaches you how to write a lot of kanji you don't care to write then just skip them. Not hard.

Is reading a show's subtitles in subs2srs and adding all i+1 cards to your sentence deck reading?

Is there any difference in meaning between ...ならばならない and ...ざるを得ない? They both mean that you must do something or something can't be avoided right?

So you're saying for this language, I can spend upwards of six weeks (according to this Heisig guy) learning like 2000 letters and STILL wouldn't be able to read things? My god, what a language.

>>19654229
You only learn to recall and recognize those kanji. You don't learn their readings or associated vocab. You pick up on the latter two by actually reading Japanese.

>>19654217
>Which you'll be able to do after you learn Japanese.
not if you don't practice recalling words
>You have to know how to write the kanji to write the words.
you can do both at the same time without losing efficiency because you're skipping the step of making unnecessary associations with keywords
>The "isolated" study is better because you're using mnemonics to recall kanji in bulk.
the mnemonics are to recall the kanji given a keyword
you need to recall the kanji given the word you want to write
>If you dislike that RTK teaches you how to write a lot of kanji you don't care to write then just skip them.
you wont know which kanji are worthless before learning japanese
but i actually dislike that it teaches you how to write a bunch of kanji that are used too, you don't need to learn 1500+ kanji before learning japanese

>>19654054
What's this?

>>19654229
not the language's fault
you can skip isolated kanji and jump straight into learning words and bango bingo bungo bengo bongo you can read some japanese
also most people seem to spend 3 months on rtk

>>19654162
ill give you the right answer even though it involves me gettin capped

shoot jamal and heisig and pistol whip matts retarded ass to death

easy win

>>19654253
you're not getting out that easily
you have to live and watch djt continue to suffer
this is the life you've earned

>>19654245
a game you should play

>>19654262
i was hoping that aggro intermediate guy was gonna finish me off the other day so i could finally claim my eternal rest

>>19654228
The Dictionary of Intermediate Japanese Grammar has this to say.

>>19654245
Dragon Knight 2.

>>19654244
>because you're skipping the step of making unnecessary associations with keywords
Yea you can replace English keywords with Japanese words if you think that's more useful. I don't bother because it would tremendously slow down RTK. I want to get RTK done with. The English keywords are just scaffolding that will be replaced with actual vocab when I learn Japanese.
>you wont know which kanji are worthless before learning japanese
I'm talking about people who are doing RTK after they know Japanese. For those who don't, they could just do some frequency based list.
>you don't need to learn 1500+ kanji before learning japanese
No one is arguing you do. No one argued RTK is required at all.

One day I'm gonna be able to read and understand Japanese as fast as I can understand pic related.

you cant grow up big and strong unless you play your elf classics kids

>>19654275
shit i finally learn some japanese and i miss a standoff

>>19654296
If you play any games at all you'll permanently cripple yourself

Yeah, you gotta play the classics like https://vndb.org/v8731

>>19654306
thats not a classic but yet it is

i think anyone that unironically wants to learn japanese is already permanently crippled no lol

>>19654277
Thank you. So they're extremely similar aside from one single ridiculous exception that differentiates the two that I'll immediately forget.

well until someone figures out a way to dispel the gaijin mystique to it all people are gonna keep maiming themselves

>>19654293
>Yea you can replace English keywords with Japanese words
and reinvent rtk to be less shitty by hand? why bother doing it at all?
>I want to get RTK done with
you don't need to
if you've done 500 kanji you're good, you're not going to mix up kanji as badly, you've gotten 90% of the value in rtk already, diminishing returns my man
>I'm talking about people who are doing RTK after they know Japanese.
that would be a mistake, if you want to learn to write and you know japanese just make vocab recall cards and write them

I want to kill all the people who keep rehashing these cancerous meme arguments.

>>19654306
Why do I always have to be curious of how NTR stories end? It ends almost exactly as I dreaded, and now that my dread is confirmed I'm just gonna feel bad for a few minutes throughout my life. NTR never leaves.

>>19654337
>why bother doing it at all?
Ask people who already know Japanese but still use RTK to learn how to write. Recognizing a word isn't good enough to help you recall how to write it. Heisig's method works great regardless of fluency.
>if you've done 500 kanji you're good
I'm over 2000. Probably gonna make it to 3000.
>that would be a mistake
That's not what fluent people tell me.

>>19654369
>Probably gonna make it to 3000.
How many are you going to learn? The 6000-ish for Kankei 1?

>>19654374
No, just to RTK3.

>>19654265
Whats the name?

>>19654280
Thanks. Downloading now.

>>19654383
whats your name

>>19654369
>Ask people who already know Japanese but still use RTK to learn how to write.
how many people is that? just one?
>Recognizing a word isn't good enough to help you recall how to write it.
it's funny how i never suggested it was, and being able to recall how to write individual kanji doesn't solve this problem either

>>19654405
>how many people is that? just one?
Two off the top of my head. But I don't know many people who learn to write Japanese period since it's apparently not very useful in the modern age.
>it's funny how i never suggested it was
Oh then you're suggesting some rote memorization kind of process instead of just using mnemonics? Yeesh.
>and being able to recall how to write individual kanji doesn't solve this problem either
Sure you have to be able to remember the kanji in the word.

>>19654439
you're talking in circles and can't remember what i've already posted above so i'm going to drop it and you can feel confident that in the end you were right

>>19654456
Well in the beginning it seemed like you were just being a nitpicking asshole troll, and then later it seemed like you were in some contrarian mode responding with short sentences and I had no idea what point you were trying to make and for what reason, so I responded in kind. To summarize my point, Heisig's method involves you associating images with components. You build stories with those images to remember whole kanji. That helps you recall how to write the kanji. This method works great for anyone at any level because it's easier to recall an image than abstract squiggles. I consider this self-evident so we'll have to agree to disagree if you think otherwise. And I know of a couple people who are already fluent who found it to be faster, easier, and more efficient learning to write this way. No, that doesn't mean you'll be able to write words because you still have to remember which kanji are in which words but that's not gonna be very tough if you're already fluent, and you'll learn words later if you're not. So I don't really get what your point was.

Tashiro Daisuke talking about his English study;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuGVK6ZsIuM

who?

>>19654518
doubting the value of rtk is not contrarian on djt these days
i did 75% of rtk1 and i wish i had stopped earlier
the only value i see in rtk is get better at distinguishing kanji, i find many things about it to be very misguided, such that it is neither appropriate for people who do not know japanese or for people who do
you get past the "abstract squiggles" phase after a couple hundred
my point was that doing some of rtk does have some value to stop mixing up kanji so you can learn to recognize words more easily, but that rtk is insufficient and in my opinion inefficient towards learning to write japanese
agree to disagree it is

>>19654550
is that hiro at 6:05? can't tell, all you guys look the same to me.

>>19654599
>you get past the "abstract squiggles" phase after a couple hundred
I was talking about for writing. Just because I'm deep into RTK doesn't mean I can recall how to write any new kanji I come across. But fair enough on the rest.

>>19654625
RTK doesn't teach writing. It teaches you how to remember the stroke order and composition of kanji. THESE ARE NOT THE SAME THING.

>>19654671
Follow the convo. Already agreed on that.

dingdingdingding
"Doesn't know anything about Japanese arguing about learning Japanese" detected.

isnt that basically everyone in this thread

>>19654671
That's not true. It doesn't teach vocabulary. It only teaches how to write some of the characters (there are a lot more than the ones covered in the book). If you want to know how to write Japanese, then I recommend just drilling Kanji with vocabulary.

>>19654707
Learn English before responding to me thanks.

>>19654713
English isn't really required to learn Japanese. Sure a lot of the resources ARE in English, but you can find plenty of translations of some of the more popular resources in other languages. After the beginner stage, you'll want to read in Japanese only anyways, so it really doesn't matter after that.

>>19654724
I'm saying that my post does not say what you assumed it does dude.

村 町 俺 川 木 店 天 風 嵐 岩 石 心 力 anyways just some words i could think off the top of my head that you can write after rtk the list goes on and on

>>19654725
I'm just saying that there really isn't any way around hard work when it comes to learning a new language.

>>19654733
Nothing you're saying has anything to do with what I'm saying at all.

>>19654739
Sorry, wrong thread

whats yalls issue

>>19654748
does it matter? if anyone sticks around they have sufficient issues to belong here

>>19654748
>>19653945

How much do I have to study to be able to watch anime

>>19654778
a lot

>>19654778
serious answer or meme answer?

>>19654778
It's not very hard
Step 1. Open nyaa
Step 2. Search for the anime you want
Step 3. Make sure it has subtitles and download it
congrats you are now watching anime!

>>19654778
you can always watch anime
the question is if you can understand it
you're not going to understand it if you don't watch it
so get to it

>>19654778
none. just keep watching anime until you understand it. some people say it takes 10,000 hours of watching anime for that to happen

>>19654788
the serious one please

>>19654785
This is the serious answer

>>19654778
1 hour of reading, 4 hours of ACTIVE listening per day. Minimum. No exceptions.
After 1 year you'll understand 80-90% of what you hear in most shows according to this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuJW3bWmJ9Q

Practicing my hiragana right now and I'm wondering, is there a stroke order for the kana in "gatsu"?

>>19654815
yeah

>>19652868
old and punished: sakubi
new and 元気: https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/

>>19654808
>listening to cultists
reading for vocab, listening for listening

>>19654788

you'll need to at least pass n1 to understand understand without a dictionary. some people say this can be reached in 4 years if you study very hard every day. personally, i don't think n1 alone is good enough, because i've seen way to many words not on that test when watching anime, so in my opinion, 5 or 6 years to watch without a dictionary.

but that assumes you've been watching anime the entire time. so now is the best time to start. you just will be watching anime differently for the next 5 or 6 years in a different way than you are used to.

>>19654848
can confirm, I did listening for vocab and reading for listening and now my listening is better than my reading even though I spent like less than 1% as much time on it

not joking btw

if i get similar results to these ajatters after a year will you believe my testimony or will i just be another lying cultist

>>19654870
both

>>19654855
>6 years to understand anime
This is the meme answer right?

>>19654855
that's just for sol anime btw it will take at least two times as long to be able to handle a scifi masterpiece such as evangelion or ghost in the shell or akira

>>19654808
Too bad the last 10% takes way longer than the first 90%.

>>19654880
wtf explain

>>19654879
yeah, but since you had to ask, no

>>19654870
who said they're lying
if you do what they do you will be evidence that following their method yields their results
that's not the question, the question is can you get better results

>>19654895
well obviously not because their method is pure distilled science called i+1

>>19654891
i believe learning a language is nothing special
i also believe anon is quite likely a lazy piece of shit
therefore, id believe that you could do it but not that you actually did
hence both

>>19654870
You will be believed so long as you can demonstrate your skills and not just vaguely claim in English you understand "most" stuff and also please donate to my patreon.

it's funny because they're doing i+1 but not for the reasons they think they're doing it

>>19654879
think about it. doraemon requires over 10k words for the first 300 episode. thats 10 words a day for over 3 years. now, those words are used in plenty of ways, so no, thats not "one sentence per word". and if you want to hear it fast as fuck, thats a lot of practice. no dont listen to matt. i know matt. he started way back in high school. he lies out his ass and only counts the time he started ajatting, which is way past when he really started.

>>19654883
Also, depending on how you define comprehension, 90% comprehension can mean that you barely understand what is being said.

Here's an example of 90% comprehension on slide 12
https://www.slideshare.net/MarcosBenevides/how-easy-is-easy

>>19654904
i+1 is pure distilled science
they've diluted the purity

>>19654922
Yea but by the time you hit 90% you know enough to enjoy watching media in that language.

>>19654935
>enough to enjoy watching media in that language
i enjoyed it at 10% what are you doing with your life

>>19654917
you can learn 100 a day according to kaufmann. according to him you make tiny incremental improvements over a large portion of vocab such that you'll average far over 10 words a day after a couple years.

>>19654960
I actually do too because I like the feeling of improving, but I mean that when you're at 90% watching shows isn't a chore in any real sense. You're just enjoying the story. And incidentally you're getting practice. So at that point you're pretty much set.

I wish WoW was available in Japanese. The new expansion is going to eat into my study time.

>>19654917
>which is way past when he really started.
Yea that lying scum must have learned so much in his genki classes for those couple years.

>>19654978
you can make the better decision for your life and resist, it is up to you if you want it

>>19654917
>10k for doraemon

>>19652595
Why same not?

>>19654978
>playing wow in 2018
You are a lost cause, just give up on life already

>>19654978
its called final fantasy 14

>>19654917
Jisho shows 70% of those as nouns that don't have a suru usage. You can probably memorize 20 of those a day easy.

>>19655038
ok, well divide the time by 2. but my point still stands.

>Daisuke
Worst name.
Prove me wrong

who?

>>19655058
Male Yuukis

>>19655028
still not as effective as putting the time into actually learning japanese

>>19655058
If anyone has that name I'm just gonna assume they're gonna get cucked. Too many protagonist and what-not has that name are often doomed to suffer.

genki is meme textbook don't waste your time with it just use tae kim and minna no nihongo

>>19655090
They are no different than Genki.

>>19655090
skip minna no nihongo too
>>19655095
genki is bad

>>19655090
Text books are meme

>>19655095
tae kim wastes far less of your time

>>19655090
tae kim is a meme, just use sakubi and boirodaisuki

>>19655116
what's a ボイロ
glad that guide is formatted now because it's the best thing we have

>>19655133
Boiceroid (B is like B for boneless, representing V)

>>19654922
I don't know if it's a particular feature of English or if it's the maker's good skills, but English sure can make it seem like any silly combination of sounds can be words.

Assengle seems like a real word.

>I can understand Japanese more than before but can only process it if they are talking in a slower speed than how they usually speak.

How do I fix this?

>>19655145
Try faster sounds, of course. Songs are perfect for this. Better if you have a transcript for like, radio programs.

>>19655145
>How do I (get better at any facet of Japanese)
Read/listen more

飛んでいるファックあげない。もうじょうずいから。

>>19655145
Watch ボイロ実況. It's listening practice on lunatic mode, but there's almost always hardsubs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMYytG9uipg

>>19655145
Watch more anime and get used to it

>>19655158
If manga isn't reading, is anime truly 'watching'?

>>19655161
No, it's listening

>>19655163
Then what do you do with your eyes

>>19655151
So to get better at producing Japanese I have to produce more?

恥ずかしい

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_WNjDS1rpA

>>19655173
You blink.

>>19655153
>もうじょうずいから
？

>>19655173
Read manga

おはようおにいちゃん

アニメみる

なにがいいかな

>>19655186
That's not right manga isn't reading.

>>19655177
Yes, pretty much. Like, make absolutely no mistake, reading and listening will improve your speaking as you absorb natural speech patterns. However, you need to speak to get used to speaking. You may subconsciously know the proper way to say "Where can I get a chair?", but if you haven't practiced speaking, you'll stammer and pause while thinking over how to properly say it, instead of just naturally saying it thanks to experience.
>>19655185
Awful "pun" on 上手 (jouzu) and 上手い (umai)

>>19655194
sure it is

>>19655190
俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない!!!

貴方はだれ?? 俺の妹はどこ?

>>19655161
anime closer to listening than manga is to reading
podcasts or audiobooks are better

>>19655154
normal 実況 can often have natural speaking speed without the tts
subs interfere with listening practice, your progress will be slower

>>19655230
you can just ignore the subs

When did you realize that "method" learning is a meme?

>>19655206
あたしだ

そのアニメはみるつもりがない

When と is being used in its function as the quotation particle, how restrictive is the list of legal operative verbs?

So for example this sentence

>寺田教授は「正確な分析ができるようになることで、太陽系の起源をより詳しく研究できると期待している」と話していました。
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20180808/k10011568411000.html?utm_int=news-culture_contents_list-items_024

makes most sense to me by interpreting 研究できると期待している as と (quotation) + 期待する , as in 寺田教授 is 期待する'ing for the quoted phrase. But 期待する is outside the usual shortlist of 思う・言う・など that you see used with this grammar so I'm not too sure if I'm reading real Japanese or inventing my own.

>>19655235
you can, but that post seemed to endorse them so i thought it was worth saying
the fact that tts should be avoided when you are bad at japanese remains

>>19655247
voiceroids aren't normal TTS, they're programmed by the people who use them, who are natives

>>19655236
unironically from krashen

are Japanese subs in Japanese videos aimed at Japanese audience good or not?

>>19655256
they're fine

>>19655251
ex

>>19655236
The person who wrote that post sounds like the kind who do easy textbooks and language learning apps for years with no result because "they're appropriate for my level".

>>19655260
continuation
>>19655266
they're also write about what they're actually saying in this case

>get the reading correctly but the meaning wrongly
>get the meaning correctly but the reading incorrectly
This sucks. I feel so much worse than if I got both wrong.

>>19655244
いろんなのがいっぱいつく

はっきりいうと

どうくっつけても

だいたいのいみはつうじるんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>19655267
Is he right about AJATT being the exact opposite of what Krashen recommends? Because it's not.

>>19655251
they are both still an imitation of human speech and you don't know how much effort the creator put into corrections
>>19655256
they will not harm your japanese but they will decrease the efficacy of your listening practice in the same way that narrated dialogue will decrease the efficacy of your reading practice
it is up to you if you are okay with that, the most important thing is that you put in time at all
>>19655260
>>19655267
so there's no sentence pitch?

>>19655275
everything ajatt recommends except for massive input is the opposite of what krashen recommends

>>19655275
krashen doesn't recommend wasting hours on drilling the same input, via flash cards or passive listening

>>19655275
krashen doesn't recommend rtk

>>19655244
https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#と(3)
>2. と is used to mark the content of such actions as 思う 'think; feel', 考える 'think (with the intellect)', 書く 'write', 聞く 'hear', and 説明する 'explain'.
https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%A8-579147
>２ （文や句をそのまま受けて）動作・作用・状態の内容を表す。引用の「と」。「正しい―いう結論に達する」

>>19655270
Reminder that the prime minister of Japanese read 云々 as "てんでん"

>>19655305
>the 々 doesn't represent the same reading
is this legal? isn't someone going to jail for ruining the writing system?

>>19655305
>々
What the fuck is that? I've been seeing that a lot lately.

Did the translator confuse 貝 with 具?

>>19655313
google先生

>>19655314
Duh, forgot the image

>>19655313
云々 = 云云

>>19655320
Yes

>>19655320
that's good i like that

>>19655312
Lad, 時々 is one of the most common words in the fucking language.

>>19655274
わかるとおｍ

>>19655256
Your comprehension will be greater and so your overall progress will be faster, but your eyes will be doing more of the lifting than your ears, so your listening returns won't be as great as if you'd gone without. What do you want to train?

>>19655330
and it uses the same reading, i know that rendaku is covered

>>19655305
Too busy thinking up ways to boost birth rates, I bet!

>>19655324
That's kind of a dumb mistake for a professional translator to make isn't it?

>>19655321
So what, the symbol repeats phrases to save time?

>>19655338
うんぬん is just a special type of rendaku specifically for ん and subsequent vowel syllables

>>19655341
motherfucker didn't do rtk
that's a joke
>>19655343
i told you to google it you fuck

>>19655344
interesting, thanks

>>19655346
>i told you to google it you fuck
You're not my father.

>>19655352
No, I AM your father.

I told you to learn Chinese because it'll be a far more useful language, and what did you do? Disappoint me further.

>>19655341
Yeah well. It doesn't take much to become a "professional" translator of Japanese media. A lot of Japanese media, let's say more than 65%, a number I pulled out of my ass, has bad translations. No one checks and no one cares.

Also I don't know if you realize but that's not the only translation mistake in that screenshot.

>be me learn few hiragana charatcters
>dont memorize it fuck all but still can remember them but have a terrible photographic memory so i cant imagine them in my head
>open new flan doujin
>see characters that i know i learned
>get flustered as fuck

its like i wanna learn this shit, dont get me wrong but my brain is weird with photographic memory of some shit i learn. It irritates me that i cant learn all of it but i see shit i know.

ん

はあたらしいにほんごなのかな

えいごがはじめてはいってきた

３００ねんまえくらいに

つくられたとか

うんぬんかんぬん

most of manga translations you see online is actually translated from chinese to english by chink themselves btw

>>19655368
云々の「ぬん」とは、なぜ「うん」ではないの？連濁とか？

>云
>言

What's the difference?

>>19655364
>Also I don't know if you realize but that's not the only translation mistake in that screenshot.
That was the only one I caught, what else is wrong with it?

>>19655375
tell
say

にほんごのなりたちは

わけがわからないよ

きゅっぷい

>>19655367
if you want to be able to picture them in your head you have to practice recalling and writing them (doesn't have to be on paper, imaging the strokes is fine)
you also don't have to do this to be able to read
but if you are giving up because your life isn't easy you're not gonna make it so don't bother

>>19655274
ありがとうございます。わかったと思うけど漢字を使わないときに私には読みにくいです。生じるものを間違ったら、生じることが珍しいことだから、許してくれてください

Is that a sentence parser? Thank you for pointing me to that, as well.

>>19655302
The first definition seems to prescribe more restrictions than the second. I'm going to trust the second because it's in Japanese.

>>19655374
そういうのは

「うんうんより

はつおんが

かっこいい」

「むかしの

がいこくの

はつおんがのこってる」

とかそういうのじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>19655392
ouch

So it only takes like 10 years ofconstant study to reach an acceptable level of proficiency right

>>19655407
how much study
what do you consider proficient

>>19655407
>10 years of constant study
The moment you think your level of proficiency is acceptable, you'd have already permanently crippled yourself.

>>19655407
More like three fiddy to be honest

>>19655406
not supposed to be a jab my dude
if you want to do anything hard you're going to need to get a more realistic attitude, stop making excuses, and truly commit or you're wasting your time because with your current attitude you're looking for a reason to quit
if you want to learn japanese then prove me wrong, do it for yourself, personally it's made me better at committing to other things in life as well

>>19655376
このままじゃ。。。 is the start of a phrase which continues in the second bubble.
I would translate it like this:
Well, it may be alive, but it poses no danger. In its current state...
It's kinda like a shell.

My translation is slightly more awkward to read but on the other hand it's more true to the original.

>>19655367
Hiragana often takes people no longer than a week to learn so maybe there is something wrong with you.

>>19655395
おにいちゃんのにほんご

わかりやすい

へんだけど

わかる

>>19655441
the majority of people approach kana stupidly so it's not surprising

>>19655430
only if i had more in life sure, but right now im at my best choice of shit. Poor as shit going to online community college, such as life not even a pessimist either. Just slowly walking through life.

>>19655446
あ、、ありがとう

>へんだけど

やっぱりそうだ
どうしよう
うわ～

>>19653195
>I could have learned Spanish or French or pretty much any European language in half a year.
I sometimes think about this, not that I have any interest in it but damn that's such a short time compared to Japanese.

>>19655454
Getting dangerously close to blogging there, so let's move on to something else.

What are you trying to read?

>>19655438
Forgot to add that putting a period in the middle of a manga bubble in English is super awkward in some situations like this one, so I totally understand if that translator intentionally combined the two phrases into one to avoid having a period. On the other hand I would not be surprised if the translator just went over every word in that bubble with google translate and mashed it into something that made the most sense.

talking about your experiences in a group of similars is not blogging

>>19655467
Just anything in general, along with just learning this as a 2nd language.

learn an easier 2nd language, like ภาษาไทย, íslenska or Cymraeg

>>19655463
ぜったいだいじょうぶ

きにしない

草稿だけかいて

にほんごがじょうずなにほんじんに

推敲してもらえばいい

にほんじんもそうしてる

>>19655519
Learn English first, then German. This will take 6 months. Then learn Russian, since you already know German this will be easier. After that learn Chinese, which will be easier because you already know Russian. Only after that should you learn Japanese.

any more japanese teachers on youtube besides misa sensei?
i have seen all over her videos

>>19655523
What's the connection between Russian and Chinese that makes it easier?

>>19655523
>6 months
Why do people believe you can be fluent in anything in 6 months? that's bullshit.

>>19655528
Experience with another alphabet.

>>19655530
Thats what the vague online resources tell me, they wouldn't lie :^)

>>19655527
JapanesePod101 is okay.

>>19655530
at only five hours a day that's 900 hours, you absolute can be fluent in 6 months.

>>19655533
>Experience with another alphabet.
And ภาษาไทย isn't?

>>19655438
What makes you think このままじゃ is referring to it's appearance and not that it's not currently dangerous? To me it reads like typical 倒置法

>>19655551
You'll have to define fluent here

あたしはフランス語とかロシア語にきょうみがありあります

あとトルコ語

>>19655571
The same way Steve Kaufman defines it.

>>19655551

fluent like a native speaker? no way

i don't even think you can become fluent in german in that amount of time, and german is an easier language to learn for english speakers

>>19655591
>Fluent like a native speaker
The goal just shifted

>>19655591
fluent does not mean nativelike

>>19655591
French takes about 700 hours to reach C1 so I don't see why not.

>>19655594

fluent to me means you can speak like a native speaker. if you can't speak like a native speaker, you're not fluent

>>19655585
At least link me to his 9-minute long video that does this.

>>19655595
Fuck, I'm not even fluent in English, then

>>19655591
That's quitter talk. If you believe in yourself, you can do anything.

>>19655598
Ok well to you you can't become fluent in 6 months. To people with a more reasonable definition of fluent which isn't just "native-level", you can.

>>19655599
none of those mean nativelike

>>19655599
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCfUMCwr4dM

>>19655601
Yeah, I was agreeing with you

>>19655605
>it is actually 9 minutes-long
haha

>>19655591
>[x] is an easier language to learn for [y] speakers
I wonder if there's information on what languages are easier to learn if you speak a certain language, with languages outside English.

>>19655622
rank 1: languages which are demonstrably related and share a writing system
rank 2: languages which are unrelated, but share a writing system; or which are related, but do not share a writing system
rank 3: languages which are unrelated and do not share a writing system

>>19655599

>spoken easily and accurately

that basically means native-like

non-native speakers can't speak a language accurately and easily. they fuck up the grammar and forget words

>>19655622
It's nothing but bullshit opinions in the end because every language differs from each other. I've often thought Spanish was easier for English speakers since we use the same text, but if you ignore how their grammar structure work, then it's pointless.

>>19655633
to be nativelike you need to have a good grasp on almost all colloquialisms and word usage patterns, and have an impeccable accent

virtually no non-natives have that, no matter how fluent they are

あたまがEnglishになってると

みみからきこえるにほんごが

２０びょうくらいえいごにきこえる

こういうのってなんていうの？

>>19655645
That is rare. I only know maybe one or two people I've follow on YT that mastered that but only because they live in Japan and/or have Japanese family and maybe Japanese blood. Me, on the other hand, i'm willing to accept it'll never happen because trying to talk like a native speaker can get tiring and a bit annoying.

>>19655645

when i say "like a native speaker" i am not talking about the accent.
i am talking about the ability to speak the language and comprehend what is being said like a native speaker

i think misa sensei is fluent in english like a native speaker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_c3V882am0

if you can speak japanese as well as misa sensei speaks english then i would say you're fluent

>>19655670
okay then read the rest of the post instead of zoning in on a single part

>a good grasp on almost all colloquialisms and word usage patterns

>X is fluent like a native speaker
Well I guess X is fluent, and I think native speakers are fluent too. So I guess they are fluent like a native speaker.

>>19655645
That'd mean a person who's a native in American English is not so in British English, and now I wonder how specialized can your 'nativelikeness' be. Would native-level AAVE speakers from, say, New Jersey, also be equally native-level in Noi Joisey?

>>19655691
learn english before trying to argue with me please

>worrying this much about production

I dont get the fuss when japanese is one of the easiest languages to speak because it's all about context you can minimize a lot and still get your point across.

I visited Japan and was way worse at the time and was really surprised at the level of complexity I could convey with basic grammar and using context. You literally drop like half the words you would need in English with Japanese because Japanese people dont waste time saying things already known in the context of the conversation.

Writing is easy too since all you do is type in kana and get what you want.

>>19655692
I understood him perfectly, maybe you need to brush up on your English. He's hard implying dialects are different languages which is stupid, but you're bullshit about native-level fluency is also retarded so really this is just two retards in a slap fight.

>>19655692
Alright, see you in 6 months.

Also, I wasn't trying to argue with you, but I guess I don't have enough English to make that distinction clear yet

>>19655701
i'm a native speaker dude
>>19655700
if someone can respond to me with something dumb like "native in American English is not so in British English" i can only assume they had no idea what i actually said

>>19650848 →

I didn't look at the numbers of the puzzle properly.
ごめん。俺は恥ずかしい。

>>19655704
I can see where he's coming from, it's kind of hard to respond to you with something smart when your entire argument is sub-20 IQ.

>>19655710
i'm sorry that you can't tell that he's misinterpreting what i said and turning it into something stupid to spite it

this is just another way you'll permanently cripple yourself

>>19655717
He didn't misrepresent anything, I read your posts in entirety before I even looked at his.

>>19655751
guess you have the reading comprehension of a frog then

Is it worth reading something that's above your reading level? Trying to read 新世界より and I'm realizing how difficult this is going to be.

>>19655754
There's a saying that if you meet a jerk then you met a jerk, but if you meet 10 jerks then maybe you're the jerk. Apply that to this, there's several people saying that you're wrong.

>>19655758
i'll spell it out for you: you didn't understand what impeccable means
all natives have impeccable accents... in their local dialect
non-natives can have impeccable accents too, even when they are obviously non-native
a german who nails all the consonants and vowels and gets all the stress patterns right may very will still sound german, but their accent will be impeccable
impeccable accent does not mean that it "doesn't sound like an accent" or whatever

>>19655760
This reply has nothing to do with my post, what the fuck.

>>19655763
and your post had nothing to do with mine

>>19655765
It's 1 vs how many, throw a tantrum as much as you want it won't change the fact you're the one who's factually wrong here. But I guess I'm also wrong for arguing with a literal autist in a fight that won't end.

>>19655773
keep telling yourself that's how it is lmao

>>19655022
I think that ship sailed long ago when I started posting on /jp/

>>19655695

>easiest language

um no it's not
japanese has informal and formal forms that you have to switch between based on who you talk to. you're basically have to speak a different way when you speak to someone like a boss or a teacher(in english we don't have to do this).
it has a bunch of complicated verb and adjective conjugations
it has a difficult writing system(you have to learn 3 of them to understand every day japanese. kanji is the hardest of the three to learn)
you have to learn like multiple different ways to say I(watashi, boku, ore, etc) and you(kimi, anata, omae,etc) in japanese and you have to know which one to say in a given context.

>>19655695
Fucking this

Chatted with my Japanese friend who used to be an exchange student living with my family like 10 years ago, and it's amazing just how much you can convey with very few words, which is really nice because of how clunky Japanese is at times. I think the moment I realized this was when we were talking about what season would be best to visit Japan in, and one of her sentences was just "夏より。。。" leaving out 99% of the sentence, but I knew exactly what was meant, which prompted a surprisingly fast "そうそうそう" from me as I segued into recent 熱波・熱中症・台風・豪雨 shit as well as keeping the 冷房 and 扇風機 on

The only thing I wish I'd done before talking with her was to study more specific sentence patterns/phrases to say certain things, but that'll just come with time. She was genuinely impressed with my progress in just 5 months of learning, and the fact that I could write 鬱 and 薔薇 from memory blew her mind.

Output isn't scary, it's kind of cool how your listening ramps up when the stakes are higher, and cutting your losses on words you don't know.

>>19655782
the only part of formality is learning all the different keigo euphemisms
kanji are not hard in the grand scheme of things, they are just deceptive
the pronouns are literally not a problem at all

>>19655782

you basically have*

>>19655787
the only hard part of formality*
also natives have to consciously learn keigo too so

>>19655145
Try listening to faster audio. If you brute force yourself to try to understand blitzing speed nihongo, normal speed will eventually sound slow.
just don't let it affect your speech or any form of output, when you get to the point that you can follow quick speech, return to normal speed.

>>19655782
>japanese has informal and formal forms that you have to switch between based on who you talk to
English also has formality.

>it has a bunch of complicated verb and adjective conjugations
English has easier rules but half of its words don't even follow those rules, making them just as complicated.

>it has a difficult writing system(you have to learn 3 of them to understand every day japanese. kanji is the hardest of the three to learn)
English isn't even phonetic so you basically have to brute force the spelling of every word.

>you have to learn like multiple different ways to say I(watashi, boku, ore, etc) and you(kimi, anata, omae,etc) in japanese and you have to know which one to say in a given context.
English also has synonyms.

>>19655706
あたしはいちおうやったよ

かきとりやってるきぶんだった

do you guys keep track of how many internet arguments you win

>>19655801
do you count how many pieces of bread you eat

>>19655801
Yeah.

0.

>>19655804
no because eating bread isnt special
>>19655805
cool me too

>>19655792
I've been listening to Japanese music for many years now and watch V YouTubers such as Kizuna AI, and other Japanese content but it never sticks to me. It could be my lack of Vocabulary.

>>19655801
It's impossible to win an argument, you're both autistic no matter what so even if you show them undeniable proof they'll just say the source is shit or something. In the end you always lose because you wasted your time, both of you, and now you're angrier than when you came. The issue is that it's sometimes very hard to avoid arguments because they don't start as arguments, they slowly turn into one and you're unaware until it's too late.

>>19654843
ps: if any of matt's fans are here go ahead and post this in his discord for me

>>19655782

>have to learn pronouns

90% of the problems with learning Japanese can be eliminated by not using pronouns.

If I need to talk about a particular person, I start with their name and only use pronouns as a last resort. 自分 may be the only exception as it is much more powerful and useful than ANY of the "specific" pronouns.

>Just saw 気象
>spirit elephant
THANKS HEISIG

>>19655827
>see 気象
>learned kanji from vocab
>ambience-phenomenal
Thanks immersion.

>>19655835
To be fair that's a lot closer

>>19655836
That's the joke. It even covers both senses.

>>19655827
>気象庁によりますと。。。

Falling for the heisenberg meme is fucking lol

Next you're gonna mention 99% of the use of 連, hm?

>>19655838
Damn I missed the joke dude.

>>19655839
>Next you're gonna mention...
Only if I actually see it in a reading, I'm not pulling these examples out of my ass.

>>19655793

formality in english only requires that you speak proper english. no double negatives, no slang, and no ebonics. you don't have to switch between formal and informal if you already speak proper english in the first place

>>19655851
>proper english

>>19655851
Speaking in proper English is boring.

>>19655843
>連続... Take along continue
>連敗... Take along failure
>連勝... Take along victory
>連覇... Take along hegemony
>連絡... Take along entwine

I'm really sad I fell for this meme when all I had to do was watch Game Center CX and play Final Fantasy VIII to realize that 連 typically means "consecutive"

Are there any good Japanese textbooks in mobi or epub format? I strongly prefer reading on my Kindle, so I tried putting my Genki pdfs on it, but it's pretty much useless for pdf.

>>19653247

>>19655851
>formality in english only requires that you speak proper english.

>Casual: Want to eat?
>Formal: Would you like to eat?

In the formal way you change the word entirely from "want" to "will", then further change it to past tense.

>Casual: Did you ever eat a Twinkie?
>Formal: Have you ever eaten a Twinkie?

In the formal way you change the word "eat" to its passive form.

>Casual: What day should we go out?
>Formal: Which day should we go out?

In the formal you use an obsolete word.

>Casual: That guy I met was nice.
>Formal: The man whom I met was nice.

In the formal you again change a word completely (guy -> man) but also add "whom".

We're all fluent so none of us have to think about these things so we can ignore them, but they exist. English has "keigo".

Reminder that Anki creates an illusion that you cannot remember words without it thus permanently crippling your natural leanguage learning ability.

>>19654295
You can only follow that so easily because you already know what it says. It being relatively short also helps. If someone made a gif like that for a chapter of a novel, most likely you would lose track very quickly.

>>19655883
This

>>19655882
Anki is good for exactly 3 things

>the first 2000-3000 or so words
>remembering rare/obscure shit you don't encounter enough to retain naturally
>learning the locations of the prefectures/their respective Kanji in 3 days*


*got tired of not being able to read prefecture names in the news and said "fuck it" and never have to worry about it ever again. Good bang for buck in terms of learning.

>Checked LingQ stats
>27238 words of reading
>Still N3 level at best
I guess one book's worth of reading gets you to N3 though, which is nice to know I guess.

>>19655882
I've been using Anki for about a week now and I'm not retaining much from it. I feel like it's slowing me down in a way. Should I give it up?

>>19655902
If you think you're gonna pull amazing results in a week or less then you are out if your mind.