/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Sage makes non-bumping posts. Stop being stupid.

It's over, 4chan is finished.

I wish I could sage you, faggot, but I don't feel like waiting.

Dear idiot,

Both what you think sage is for, and what you think sage does, are wrong. Some veteran, 2008-fag.

let me bump 20 threads so that you're efforts are wasted and forgotten.

It's just on zip.4chan, ironically.

Fucking /a/ and /v/ ruining everything. They should get their own server, or be put on img.4chan despite being SFW. What, am I supposed to try and use /d/ for something other than fapping now?

Why did they change sage to have a spam limit? I used it all the time to respond to things I don't want to bump.

Why does it matter if idiots "sage" a post? It didn't do anything and was easy to ignore.

>>1964378
I am willing to bet the morons running sage scripts and generating hundreds of waste posts wasted a lot of server resources.

Also it's not like sagebombing image spammers can't use scripts without sage. Both methods derail and kill threads.

Error: Flood detected, post discarded. FUCK THIS SHIT. I DON'T WANT TO BUMP THIS POST BUT I'M GOING TO BECAUSE SAGE IS BROKEN.

>>1964378
Because sage can (or rather often) used for distrupting threads. I wouldn't mind offensive threads, but creating tension in threads that are completely permissible just because you don't like it is unacceptable.

If you don't like it then don't post in it.

>>1964384
They're just going to do the same but without sage now.

sage

>>1964397
Yeah, guns kill people so if you take them away, no one will get killed anymore.

>>1964406
>Anonymous

>>1964410
>guns kill people so if you take them away, no one will get killed anymore.
>knives in Japan killing people

>>1964363
Ok, let me give you a scenario.

Some newcomer from /b/ comes to /jp/ and makes the following thread.

Hey guyz! Where can I download Sexy Beach 3? XD

Without sage, how would we reply to a thread like that? With sage we could do three things.

1) We could quote >XD and tell him to get back to gaia.
2) We could tell him to google it.
3) We could tell him to get back to /b/.

But without sage we would only be given two options.

>>1964397
PEOPLE ARE GOING TO POST WHEN THEY DON'T LIKE THINGS WHETHER THEY CAN SAGE OR NOT. GET IT THROUGH YOUR THICK SKULL.

Mootfaggotry unrelated, which of you faggots posted made this shitty post this morning?

>>1964384
>Implying that the posts without sage in the E-mail field made on all 4chan aren't a waste of server resources or resources in general.

>>1964433
I have a better idea. Hide it.

Posting in the thread, sage or not, gives the troll exactly what he wants: attention. He will be encouraged to make even more threads.

>>1964433
1) We could quote >XD and tell him to get back to gaia.
2) We could tell him to google it.
3) We could tell him to get back to /b/.
4) Hide the thread.
5) Bump the newcomer's offtopic thread.
Oh shit. I can do all five of these without using sage! I must be some sort of 4chan god.

>>1964397
>If you don't like it then don't post in it.

You faggots still don't understand how 4chan works?

>>1964434
I made the "8.) Ban all meta threads" one.
Op probably won't admit he posted this pile of shit, tho.

>>1964445
That's how you troll-feeders work, not how I work.

>>1964433

Or you could not be an anti-social douchebag and help him get it.

But no, you think "*sigh* These DQN bastards will never understand my badass self ~_~. Go back to /b/"

>>1964444
Bumping the thread makes the eyesore stay on the front page though.

>>1964441
Protip: That's not a troll.

We get newcomers from /b/ who ask shitty questions like that all the time. And if we all ignore him, who's to say he wont keep coming back? Again, just because he asked a shitty question does not make him a troll.

>>1964452
That's not a troll-feeder.

That's a troll who realizes most of the people here are going to feed him anyways because they're retarded.

>>1964397
>If you don't like it then don't post in it.

It's a well accepted fact that not many people on the Internet care about this. At all. On the Internet, you don't have to be nice, especially on an Anonymous imageboard where what you do isn't recorded. That, or you could look at it from a different perspective and say that the ones at fault are the majority of underage users that browse the site.

In other words, everyone is the goddamn Batman.

>>1964456
Minimize the thread.

Jesus Christ, is it that hard?

>>1964444
Yeah, but without sage all of those things would bump his thread. Thus turning the front page into shit? Think before posting bro.

>>1964456
the front page is an eyesore anyway because people just keep making new shitty threads

>>1964453
That's a great idea! You should be able to request things on every board!

>>1964472

That's one of the purposes of a community is. Despite what you may think, /jp/ isn't only for roleplaying your favorite Touhou character.

>>1964457
Try it for once, and you'll see the difference.

>>1964484
...when was the last time that was even done?

Or do those with a trip count as roleplaying too?

>>1964484
/r/

>>1964489

How about not making shitty posts in the first place?

>>1964489
It was already posted, chump. In the last metathread.

>>1964451
Well, good job bro. I, the poster named in that post, want to call him out on it in person since he posted while I was in class, but that works.

>>1964489
This gives me an idea people. Let's say we have a voting system for each thread. The number of thumbs-ups and thumbs-downs voted on a thread would determine the likeliness of the thread bumped upon every post.

Would that be nice /jp/?

>>1964501
I, Anonymous Jones-sama, can vouch for this post.

>>1964463
>Minimize the thread.
/jp/ might be able to survive this, but what about a board like /g/ that is constantly spammed with shitty questions.

>How do I remove my harddrive.
>How do I install ubuntu.
>Which one is better mac or PC.

It would be impossible to ignore all of those threads. And even if they did ignore them, they wouldn't discourage the shitty posters from posting again. For example, if I go to /g/ right now and make a thread about "where can I find windows 7 beta." If a lot of people reply to my thread with angry comments I'll know that that question is taboo on /g/ and I should probably just google it.

But if everybody simply ignored my thread I would assume that noone got a chance to read my thread. So I would keep ghost bumping my shitty thread until it got a reply.

>>1964506
No, enjoy your stupidity.

>>1964489
I still laugh at how 4chan doesn't understand what sage means.

If only I knew moon so I wouldn't have to spend time on a board that imports foreign concepts and then DOES IT WRONG all the time.

Using sage as a way to "insult" someone's post or thread is just completely wrong and a retarded misuse of a good feature that is so popular in sites like 2ch and Futaba. Fuck, iichan and 4-ch do it right. It's just 4chan and 4chan's lame knockoffs that fail at using sage.

The true meaning of sage means that YOUR POST isn't worthy enough to bump the thread. It's ironic, because you think that you're insulting others while you're just, in fact, insulting yourself. Yes, sage can be used when posting a derogatory comment in a thread that you don't want to bump, but posting with just the word "sage" accomplishes nothing but contribute to spamming the board. The trend of replying with the name of a tripfag and sage is even worse, as it accomplishes nothing and only serves to increase the e-penis of whoever you're "attacking".

The sage feature was never meant to serve as an implied insult or general disagreement! Why people started using it that way is beyond me. There are plenty of reasons why one would choose not to bump a thread with his reply. For example, bumping threads with stupid one liner replies should be discouraged and those people should be coerced into using sage instead.

I want to use sage, yet I almost never do it on 4chan because people will jump on me thinking I'm insulting their post or something.

>>1964506
No.

Then someone could just tell /b/ to come to /jp/ to downthumb all threads by simply saying "hurrhurr fite da weaboos"

>>1964509
Sorry, I didn't think about that. In that case of /g/, perhaps it is prudent that we must use sage to remind people.

Perhaps it could be better that sage-ing (saging?) while politely telling the user what's wrong with his posts be more effective?

>>1964517
THIS.

>>1964527
I don't think moot hates sage itself. I just think he hates the pointer sages.

>Eksopl !LOLIyiNQUE
For example, sage for Eksopl.

>>1964539
It's been posted thrice this last hour and you react to it?!

>>1964484
Yeah, a community it's also for petty fights between the users, general bullshit, trolling and being faggots..

>>1964517
> insulting yourself
No you're not, you're just not bumping the thread. That's it, nothing more.

The whole problem with sage is the sagebombing to reach the bumplimit. Go make a Toradora thread on /a/ and wait for it

>>1964517
>I'm insulting their post or something.

I get this a lot on /a/.

>Go make a Toradora thread on /a/ and wait for it

Those sagebombers are guilty of sabotaging permissible threads in /a/. In that case they should be reported.

>>1964554
By not bumping the thread, you're also hiding your own opinion so it's basically like saying "my opinion isn't even worth being read by anybody."

>>1964554
>>1964555
GODDAMN IT

I'M SURROUNDED BY YOU BAKAS
ARE YOU EVERYWHERE?

>>1964555
I stopped posting to /a/. I open it every once in a while to see what the latest shows are, and which ones are causing a shitstorm and then I spend most of the rest of my time here and on /tv/.
After the split /a/ hit critical mass like /b/ and it's gone completely down the drain

>>1964563
But guess what? People always read them.

>>1964554
>No you're not, you're just not bumping the thread. That's it, nothing more.
Go tell that to the "OH GOD YOU PLACED SAGE ON THE E-MAIL FIELD DIRECTED TO MY THREAD/POST! THIS IS EVEN WORSE THAN BEING WASHED ON DIARRHEA!" faggots, because they sure are many

>>1964560
Did that once, guess who got banned?

What bothers me even more than moot removing the sage function, is that imagedumping is made a hassle due to that goddamn "File discarded" error.

>>1964351
Sage fag butthurt that he can't flood the board with sages. Either that or you're an idealistic anon who actually thinks people use the sage function past trolling threads they don't like.

WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING ABOUT MOE? I'M A GAR FAG SO I'LL SAGE JUST FOR SHIT AND GIGGLES.

WHAT YOU"RE DISCUSSING GAR? I'M A MOE FAG SO I'LL SAGE.

etc etc etc. This is a good thing.

>>1964576
But sage is mean and it hurts my feelings! I don't care how helpful the comment was, if there's sage in the e-mail, it's obviously a threat and must be respond to as so.

>>1964585
you could always upload your 500 images to rapidshare in 5 minutes instead of using a script to dump all 500 on the front page over a course of 6 hours

>>1964517
Agreed.

Replying with "sage" and nothing else is just an alternate way of saying "I don't like this thread". At least it's not being bumped. Either way, stupid one-liners like those with no content is effectively spam. Sagebombing is just outright spamming.

I just use sage when I don't want to bump the thread. There are various reasons for that. Simple as that.

>>1964576
I don't feel like dealing with retards at the moment
It's mostly in boards that I don't frequent that much anymore, so I stopped caring.

>>1964588

>WHAT YOU'RE DISCUSSING ABOUT MOE? I'M A GAR FAG SO I'LL SAGE JUST FOR SHIT AND GIGGLES.

>WHAT YOU"RE DISCUSSING GAR? I'M A MOE FAG SO I'LL SAGE.

It's like I'm on /a/. Just break the board in half or something because clearly the 2 groups can't coexist.

The following is the pros and cons of saging:

Pros:
1.You can politely tell newcomers that their threads are offtopic, thus discouraging them from making more shitty threads.
2.Reply to a thread without bumping.

Cons:
1.Thread voting (i.e. when people sage on-topic threads because they don't like it).
2.People who sagebomb threads inorder to reach the bump limit.

I say the goods of sage out weigh the bads of sage. If veterans lose their ability to tell newcomers how to lurk, 4chan's culture as we know it will be changed. All boards would become like /b/. /b/ is a board that is dominated by newcomers. The veterans of /b/ don't have enough power to discourage shitty posting. Moot should hire moral police (i.e the people who educate newcomers). Maybe if /b/ had more veterans there wouldn't be hundreds of "if my post ends in x" threads.

moot's just trolling guys, so there's no need to send him a hundred angry replies about how 4chan is long-past dead, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE WANTS DON'T YOU REALIZE?!???

>>1964611
Yeah, next you know it, nobody 's posting images on an imageboard

I think newcomers get more butthurt from sages rather than actually learning anything and grow up thinking saging is only for saying "fuck you" via blue name.

I emailed him about it.

I bet my e-mail never even gets opened.

>>1964616
>2.People who sagebomb threads inorder to reach the bump limit.
Doesn't happen on /jp/.

You can still sage.

>>1964641
Enjoy your three minute wait.

>>1964621
Your supposed to post images in a imageboard, just not BULK images. There's a reason why moot never implemented a javascript uploader that lets you drag entire directories like Photobucket.

>>1964639
I did so as well, we can only wait.

>>1964616
>1.Thread voting (i.e. when people sage on-topic threads because they don't like it).
That's not what "thread voting" means. Thread voting means answering threads with just "sage" in the comment field or "sage for X."

It's not that you shouldn't use sage when telling people off, but using it like many people do causes the impression that sage in the email field = I hate your thread, so idiots think you're insulting them when you use it for legitimate purposes.

And I don't get the sagebomb thing, you can easily do the same without sage. 200 replies is easy stuff if you're enough proxies. You don't need sage to make it reach the bump limit.

>>1964641
But you have to wait 3 or 2 minutes to sage again. That's not fast enough to fight the repost of reposted topics on /g/. I feel sorry for the /g/eeks.

>>1964666
/g/eeks should collaborate and compile an ebook/faq page answering the most common questions posted by newfags, and make it a sticky on the front page.

Remember that YWUIG thing? Remember moot's response? Yeah, the same thing will happen with this sage problem.

>>1964616
The newcomers aren't going to listen. They're going to open up ED, read about EPIC WIN HURR HURR, and 10 minutes later they're going to fag up the place again.

> veterans of /b/
Is there really such a thing? Do the "veterans" actually still bother with that board?

>>1964655
>Your
Post disregarded. Please learn the English language.

>>1964665
Well think of the "I hate you thing", but multiply it by 200. That's the troll logic.

Everybody email moot.

I don't care about the other boards, just leave /jp/'s sage function alone. Maybe /a/ actually needs a new sage function (with the whole sagebombing trend that is going on). Though I don't know what would stop people from spamming threads without sage.

Oh I thought there was just something weird going on with 4chan, but did they actually institute a time limit for sage? How the hell does that help anything.

>>1964550
Well excuse me, princess.

>>1964677
...we already have that

>>1964687
moot doesn't care about /jp/ might as well write your email and delete it immediately after

>>1964698
also you have to wait like 20-30 secs inbetween posts

Cry more.
Sage will go, and nothing will change, except that people who sage bomb will only bump the thread to the top now instead.
Don't like a thread? Don't post it in.
Sure it's nice to be vocal about some things, but no one cares really.

>>1964677
They actually had a wiki for a while, don't know if it's still up

>>1964698
It doesn't.

>>1964705
Well having to wait in between posts isn't so bad because that can cut down on garbage spam but how does limiting sages make any sense? Even if it's a garbage post at least it's not hovering at the top all the time.

Retarded decision.

Now that I think about it, though... doesn't the board feel a bit slower than just a few nights ago? I don't have to go to Page 1 anymore.

I'm starting to have an affinity for board slowness. Reminds me of when I used to frequent /po/, although this isn't as slow.

>>1964666

Just hide threads and let some other guy sage it while you are waiting if it's that much of a problem. 3 minutes is nothing, read a thread you actually like (doh ho ho ho) in the mean time or post your own.

Also, fuck image dumping using a script. I've enjoyed image only threads before when they have a specific theme (example: Creepy Touhou fanart thread) where each poster has gone out of their way to manually select a good appropriate picture. Dumping your entire Marisa folder into a thread through a script isn't really taking part any more than linking to a rapidshare folder of the same images in a single post.

The whole point of the image board is to promote some creativity in the image you use, a reactive picture, a good picture, a funny picture. New content is always best (though rare) but on the whole the idea is the appropriate use of quality images rather than some image directory.

tl;dr - stop being faggots and use sage like you are meant to instead of a 'fuck you'.

fuck off - janitors are a pain in the arse

moot's not stupid. I'm sure he has his own plan.

If it were me, I'd make this sage "adjustment" only temporary. My thinking is that threads just like this one will pop up every once in a while and will actually educate the stupid fucks on the board. Then once it seems like the dust has settled just a bit, I'd stealthily switch back to the "normal" sage.

>>1964711
Waiting between posts isn't going to stop someone who's using proxies.

Dear moot

I know the chances of you opening this message are slim, so I'll be brief. Non-/a/ boards without sage skript problems are being affected by your /a/ countermeasure. Those of us who use sage correctly (haha) or generally wish to contribute images are unable to do so, and it's pretty frustrating. Could you please, please, pretty please, restore posting features on non-/a/ zip boards? Please?

Not sure if love or hate,
Anonymous

>>1964711
If you truly think a thread is garbage why would you post in it?

>>1964724
>moot's not stupid.
Funniest thing on the board ATM.

I'd be happy just having an exception on appended sages, because nobody even knows that they work the same way.

Win-Win.

>>1964708
Posting with sage does not mean that you don't like a thread. This has been stated a thousand times.

>>1964724
>moot's not stupid.

>>1964727
>someone who's using proxies.
Which is only a small percentage of 4chan

also proxying is not as easy as it seems as most of the non web proxies have been banned by flooding script kiddies and most of the web proxies banned by pedophiles

>>1964738
But every one who uses sage thinks thats what it means, and that's my point.
Go to /b/ or /v/ once and see how NO ONE uses sage correctly.

What's the matter Anonymous, don't like the new features?

sage was a tool that was used improperly by most of the userbase. When we say that we used it to educate the newcomers, we also taught them the negative connotations of it. They grew to see it as a "kill all" thing, that insulted and dragged down the thread.
It's proper use forgotten, then I say we can discard it. Few were the legitimate examples of its use, and the educational potential gone when recent posters started to use to sage not only what was off topic, but what they disagreed with. It devolved into shouting wars, with no concern for the boards or its users.

I for one resent the consequences, most of my posting was using sage, specially in off topic threads. Many were the discussions that I carried out with the help of it, and I will have to adapt to the new posting limits when posting images.
I agree, there are other options for massive image sharing, far better and effective, but it's a part of the original imageboard culture that has been lost now because of the measures taken to deal with the increasingly bad posters.

Still, there is still no effective tool deployed that allows user moderation, nor one that can't be abused in practice. A counter that displays number of time a thread has been hidden by users sounds good to me, but it's implementation is not only difficult, it carries the potential for abuse.

That's the way I see it, although the biggest problems are /a/'s issues, not /jp/'s. For all I care, this is still holy land, even if it means more touhou than I'm comfortable with.

sage for metathread, as usual.

>>1964724
Bah, the majority of the stupid fucks won't even know of this thread, and even then tl;dr

>>1964732
Read. I didn't say people post with sage in garbage threads, I said that limiting the time in between posts makes sense but limited the time between sages doesn't because even a terrible post that is saged isn't as bad.

>>1964748
>/b/ or /v/
Then implement this on /b/ and /v/.
Not here.

Case and point the only way to train a newcomer into a decent poster is by telling him the dos and don'ts of 4chan. Even I'll admit I wasn't a perfect user when I first started posting. I use to be the type of person who would always request the sources for things. Name any high profile 3D /h/ game and I've made offtopic threads requesting them. It was only after years of seeing angry sage post such as "google it" that I learned to find /h/ games by simply googling [insert /h/ game] + torrent.

I'd probably would be using emoticons if it wasn't for sage.

:)
^_^
O_o
XD

>>1964738
Hey, >>1964748
>>1964708 here, here's an image I keep around

>>1964762
It's a problem here as well.
My point was that /b/ and /v/ are probably the two worst boards on 4chan, and they are good examples of WHY this happened.

Who gives a damn if it's used properly or not? It still has little or no effect (unless it's a spambot) on threads here. Your posts aren't disappearing. Your thread isn't going to die any faster. Complaining about the use of sage is retarded. If the sage post wasn't made, the thread would be in the exact same position it was previously in.

>>1964765
You're that idiot who almost knows what he's doing but badly needs to lurk moar. I hate you.

>>1964755
For now this may be a holy land, but according to moot the board "lacks direction" (and is filled with pedophiles, but what else is new)

>>1964771
Most sages on /jp/ are not just "sage" or "sage for x" though.

>>1964789
What else is new? moot created this board with the trollerific name and rule that it has because he hates the /jp/ crowd. It's not as though he hasn't said this many times before.

All this shit actually makes me feel good that I'd lurked for a good 1.5 years. All the basic "4chan imageboard culture" shit was easy to pick up, I'm baffled as to how all these fuckers can't seem to ever learn.

>>1964789
whats he going to do - send us back to /a/?

worst ( best ) case scenario, we get /2D/

>>1964778
A lot of people like to make small replies or little off comments on threads that they feel aren't really important enough to bump a thread. They can still do that now, but being forced to wait minutes between each of those adds a lot of restriction to how someone can post.

Remember how mootle called us pedophiles a few days ago?

Yeah, we'll now he's shitting all over us.

How does it feel /jp/?

Let me just get this straight. Is this sage nonsense only effecting the zip boards?

If anything, the only board that needs a sage limit and slower image reply limits is /b/.

Rename /jp/ to /jp/ - 2D Media

Remember how mootle called us pedophiles a few days ago?

Yeah, well now he's shitting all over us.

How does it feel /jp/?

/jp/ is moots way of making /a/ better for himself

>>1964801
Well, it might be true about the pedophile thing, but we have damn good direction

>>1964798

What would happen? That's easy.
/jp/ is axed, all of /jp/ is banned.
/a/ continues as normal, no further measures are taken. Problem is considered 'solved'.

Lol internet argument. /jp/ sucks anyway. as well as all Touhou 'communities'.

>>1964808
It feels the same as you shitting and whining on us, Miku.

>>1964810
/jp/ isn't about "all things Japanese" (i.e. /b/ - Japan/Randum) like he apparently thought it would be.

moot is a master of sending mixed signals.

>>1964811
And then /a/ starts complaining about Touhou/3D/VN/etc again, thus making the circle complete

As someone who probably sages 3/4 of their own posts, this is relevant to my interests.

>>1964808
I don't care about moot and his opinion. It is not like he is the overlord or something like that.

>>1964820
You might want to consider making helpful posts instead. I barely sage, myself.

>>1964792
>Most sages on /jp/ are not just "sage" or "sage for x" though.

/jp/ers inherited this from pooshlmer. Pooshlmer is a place where sage is a polite way of saying thank you.

>>1964805
That would have to include anime too.

And not everyone loathes some other decent shows that happen to use real live pig disgusting 3D.

You know, sage can still be used to dissuade people from making shitty threads. If multiple Anonyomous sage a thread, the OP is going to know that his thread is disliked. In fact, now it's even more obvious than before, since it can't be a samefag saging repeatedly (within the time-limit).

>>1964839
Tell that to Smash. He just keep making new threads.

>>1964811
moot has heard of dynamic IP, dummy.

>>1964836
I think I just sage out of habit now / view my posts in a poor manor but this will probably just make me post less. I think I'll just end up posting less rather than posting everything without a sage.

Continuing with the theme of bashing on newfags, people need to learn how to use the 'Delete Post' function. Really small and minor gripe, but holy shit triple posts annoy the fuck out of me.

Taking the wall down is not an option anymore. But I'm afraid that the direction-less comment was a direct reference to >>1
To not let one topic dominate, else we get axed.
I would be happy with /jp/ mutating into something more specific. /vn/ and /touhou/ would be nice, but it carries the risk of balkanization. Over specialize the boards and none of them get the critical mass needed for proper discussion and output.
Should we still receive the same measures as /a/? I think we don't deserve to, but it's beyond the capabilities of the imageboard architecture and design. It's either none, or all of zip.

Now, maybe we shouldn't think too hard about this. Just go with the flow and see how the board dynamics change. Perhaps we are overblowing it's effect in /jp/, where the post rate is far slower and there are no sagebombers or many imagedumps. Perhaps this will enhance discussion. Perhaps we will continue to bitch and whine until the board is locked down.
Time will tell, I guess.

>>1964848

Hence the "'solved'".

>>1964856
>poor manor

I can see why.

Tonight is making me rage so hard, I think I'll take another break from /jp/.

See you in two weeks or so guys. Here's to hoping moot gets this shit sorted out before I come back.

>>1964867
>Punctuation outside quotation marks.

Heh, told off......also sage......

>>1964873
> Perhaps we will continue to bitch and whine until the board is locked down.
That is something we can all agree on.