/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>Orwell edition

>>19634146

>>19634111
Daily reminder that you will never learn Japanese browsing this thread. Close this now and go and read.

Daily reminder that you will learn Japanese just by browsing this thread. Close Anki now and start posting.

>>19634191
Daily reminder that you'll never learn Japanese by burning yourself out. ゆっくりしていってね。

You only need to read/listen/study for like 2 hours a day to keep up a steady pace. That leaves plenty of time to post on DJT.

>>19634205
i don't remember seeing these kanji in rtk

>>19634214
They're in RtK3

>>19634207
>only 2 hours
You aren't gonna make it bro

>>19634207
2 hours a day is fine if you want to take 10 years.

>>19634225
>>19634229
I do a minimum of 5 hours a day but I'm leaving wiggle room for people with jobs.

飛んでいるファックあげない。もうじょうずいから。

>>19634244
I have a job and I still do at least 4 hours a day. Usually even do an hour or so at work, because I do anki in my downtime.

reminder that khatzumoto got fluent in 18 months while working and going to college full-time and then got a job working for sony in japan

>>19634289
literally who

>>19634320
Seriously? He's the guy who pioneered AJATT, and is pretty famous for it. I honestly think a lot of his advice is crap, but his skills are impressive. He seems to push a lot of self help stuff that I find of mixed value, but probably is what motivated him to study so hard, so maybe there is something to it.

is koohii.com down for anyone else?

>>19634335
Oh, ok. I know AJATT but I can't say I really cared enough to know who pioneered it since knowing that wouldn't help my Japanese. I always thought it was just Matt who did it.

>>19634347
Nah, Matt is just well known for doing it, but in his videos, he does talk about khatz even.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikyb1C-SQE8

Just a reminder that if people like this can reach a decent level of Japanese, you can too. Never give up!

>>19634337
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/koohii.com

>>19634365
It makes me a little upset she's better than me.

>>19634376
Then study hard and get better then her. Use your frustration as motivation.

>>19634365
>l-living in japan won't help you learn the language

>>19634393
Between "beating" her and being able to read NHK news, the latter motivates me more and that's saying something.

>>19634400
Did she really say that? I can't stand her chipmunk voice.
I guess if you were so lazy you didn't study at all in Japan then yeah. Being in Japan doesn't magically make you better, you still have to work for it.

>>19634400
Matt's right that you'll learn more just sitting inside all day getting a lot of input. It's just not as fun.

>>19634400
It won't if you're either an autistic shut in that only leaves the apartment to go to your school or if you only socialize with other foreigners. Not like there aren't ample examples of both those cases.

>>19634400
It's not that living in Japan won't help you learn the language.

It's that JUST living in Japan won't help you learn the language. You still need to make an effort and study every day. I have a friend who just finished a three year stint as a JET teacher who barely passed the N3, but another friend passed the N1 after a year of living there.

>>19634365
djt is hardmode because we are shut-ins who try to learn primarily through reading instead of going out and fraternising with native japanese people

>>19634419
Least intelligent post of /djt/ #1984 and we're barely 30 posts in.

>>19634447
>we
Actually, in my experience, going out and talking with natives actually doesn't magically make your Japanese better. It is good practice though and it does help show/remind you what you don't understand/can't say yet so you know what to study when you get home.

speaking with natives as a beginner or intermediate is only useful insofar as it gives you motivation (read: you're retarded), but you'll get more and higher quality input just consuming lots of native material

>>19634456
But Stephen Krashen agrees.

>>19634477
Two people can be wrong.

>>19634488
But Khatz and Steve Kaufmann agree too.

i've had two japanese girlfriends over the years and i learned to speak reasonably fluently just by talking with them as much as possible in japanese (to their annoyance because they came here to study english)
e.g. i can understand 99% of that video above even though i wouldn't have a hope of being able to read it yet if it were written

>>19634495
Steve knows that at some point you have to go out and speak, he just says you shouldn't do it until you feel comfortable with your level.

>>19634502
I can understand most things people say to me (albeit they say it slow and use kid language) but I'm significantly worse at even attempting a reply. The point being, for both of us it seems that listening to native speakers helped our listening skills.
I guess you could just listen to podcasts and stuff but that's significantly less personal so it's not going to stick as much. It will stick, just not as much.

>>19634495
Just to clarify, I'm not saying that voluntary reading is bad, but I think Matt took it to an extreme and his language skills suffered. Variety is very important in language acquisition, so you need to not just read, but to study vocab and practice production, both planned and spontanious, to master a language.

Additionally, I feel that from watching Matts videos, while he learned the language, he failed to learn the culture and a lot of his issues are because of a conflict between cultures. He can't think in Japanese because he doesn't know how to think like a Japanese person.

>>19634502
What's the 1% you couldn't get?

You'll reach the point where you have to speak with natives to improve your speech. But for input there's really no comparison between small talk with natives and the sheer volume and quality of input you can get at home.

where's watashino jamal

>>19634524
for about five years my speaking level was higher than my listening level. my vocab was really small, enough to express most things i wanted to say, but not enough to understand if someone used a word outside of that. these days my vocab has improved a lot so my listening level now exceeds my speaking (which is apparently the norm for language learners)

>>19634542
if i knew what they were then it would be 100% wouldn't it
she seems to throw in little "cute" words e.g. at the start or end of the video and in between logical breaks, i can't make them out clearly

>>19634568
That's the norm in even your native language. For instance, while I can understand very complex academic papers, I could never write one.

What are some good youtube channels that aren't full of squeaky jap girls and douchebag fuck boys?

I'd love to see one where Japanese people explore Tokyo and explore shops and stuff.

>>19634568
My listening is only passable until people ask me a question or demand an immediate response because then suddenly I need 100% understanding instead of my usual 70%. If they don't do that then I can understand the gist of the conversation and add to it when I feel like it.

>>19634579
Yeah it's the difference between active and passive vocabulary, passive is always larger.

>>19634582
Based Dogen

>>19634541
He would agree on having a poor cultural perspective:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6AWM9ueYHM
He would disagree that he should have worried about production at that time because he was still a beginner that couldn't comprehend much. Now that his comprehension is really high he'd like to go to Japan to work on his pitch accent and improve his speaking.

>>19634447
Even if we weren't shut-ins, I suspect most of us would have an easier time finding native speakers online than in-person.

>>19634447
just download podcasts and audiobooks and dramas

hey guys sorry I've been absent this thread. lets see: you can't learn japanese, if you've started you've failed, if you're in djt you've already failed. just go with the way of the nihongo feel it don't learn it. think that covers it.

Imagine still being a dekinai in 2018

>>19634670
I wonder if this guy ever did it...

>>19634685
Jesus this is why read more is so important

>>19634685
top kek

you still here retard?

>>19634700
>It will have been 10 years since anon started his journey.
Take a moment to think about this, this is what Ankidroning and fear of reading does to you.

memorize the japanese dub of the matrix and you won't need a grammar guide i can tell you that much

drink cyanide and you won't need a grammar guide i can tell you that much

did someone say grammar guide
https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/

>>19634755
isn't this just condensed tk

>>19634685
>tfw no problems with よつばと after 4 months of studying
Feels awesome, man.

>>19634762
no it covers different points in a different order
it does cover the same basis though and is like 1/10th as long so

>>19634762
say that to my face fucker not online see what happens

>>19634765
a lot of people think they understand yotsuba when they really don't get it yet. it's part of being on mount stupid

>>19634685
I can honestly relate to the fear of reading. I'm like 5 months in and after doing core and trying to read I got discouraged to the point of just doing my reviews a few times a week for a month and a half while procrastinating. It's hard to not just say fuck it when you can't understand a simple sentence for children despite knowing all the words in it, especially with terrible work ethic/discipline.

I've come out of it at least and am "reading" for 1-2 hours per day now. I already feel guilty for wasting a few months, can't imagine doing that for years on end.

djt

>>19634774
Okay, I'll make sure to re-read it and check my understanding when I'm down in the valley of despair.

How do I learn Japanese without putting any effort into it?

>>19634755
ok i clicked this and got my cd tray ejected and i gotta say nice job on the ixrec 2.0 guide

>>19634819
why did a greek philosopher use kanji

>>19634831
no javascript present my friend

>>19634819
For "confucian" my story is "[insert person] found it confusin that it was raining combs".

>>19634829
Move to Japan, simply being in the land of the rising sun will magically imbue you with nihongo

>>19634841
my cd rom tray is moving on its own

and the floppy drive is makin all kinda weird noises!!

>>19634847
Moving to another place requires effort.

>>19634854
sounds like a weird glitch

>>19634829
be reborn as a japanese

>>19634859
what the flip did you do to my puter man

>>19634847
I've always been thinking. I keep seeing these sentences in N4 samples, "<X> moved to Japan to study Japanese". Where the fuck do these people get their money from? They can't get a job without N1, can they?

>>19634865
nothing you're gonna want to check your dns logs though

>>19634755
>ボイロ大好き
Same.

>>19634867
Practically everybody that moves there works as an English teacher. No Japanese required for that.

>>19634829
Glue your headphones on and listen to Japanese crap 24/7.
Don't forget to shut yourself off from the world and piss in jugs.
Fluency in 6 months, Matt guarantees.

I was excited the other day because I decided I was going to try for N2 this year, but when I started looking at vocab/grammar lists and example questions, I got really discouraged. I got a 230 on JCAT, but that was 2 years ago and I have gotten worse since then and don't do flashcards anymore. I think I'll give up.

>>19634884
just keep reading

Is there any particular name for
>うっかり
>やっぱり
>ひっそり
>ほっそり
>ゆっくり
this set of words?

>>19634884
you know how i tell people that they arent actually spending their time learning nihongo doin all the dumb shit they do?

now you really understand

>>19634879
i'm going to try sleeping with earphones in with my japanese anime playlist playing in my sleep. i'll report how it goes tomorrow

>>19634829
Get a Japanese girlfriend because you don't care enough about the language to learn it by yourself. However you won't understand anything beyond the very basics because you're too busy having meaningless conversations with your girlfriend instead of listening to stuff that will challenge and improve your comprehension.

Or do what this guy did for 13 months and you'll understand 90% of what you hear across media:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpCTZQFJcjc

>>19634884
>excited about taking the JLPT for a meaningless certificate that reflects little about your actual ability, let alone taking any level other than N1
>>>/reddit/

It's 30C and my AC unit is dusty so I'm sneezing all the time with it on but I'm too lazy to clean it. Wat do

>>19634925
obviously just assemble a cage made of new air filters and place it over your entire ac unit

>>19634889
yes, this was answered in the last thread

>>19634729
Hanahira is actually and is what people should start reading with instead of Yotsuba IMO.

>>19634988
You don't even know English.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEnoNvwKsVc

I became fluent by listening these every night

>>19634988
I ain't touching that shit with a 10 meter 棒 my dude.

>>19634988
proof that you're wrong

>>19635010
I became fluent by listening to ボイロ実況 all day every day こんにちはゆかりですキョウはパブジーやりますと思ったカら――

>>19635010
>ロー字
気持ち悪い

i learned nihongo by working in the fields

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quJvkUlpIVw

>>19635033
>>19635010
Oh yeah? Well I became fluent by listening to asmr every night.

>>19635049
I wasn't joking though. ボイロ and 実況 are real. Why not both at the same time?

>>19635045
ロー（丸）字*

>>19635003
Sorry, I had left a typo in after I had changed what I was saying. The entire sentence is still perfectly understandable.
>>19635026
What? Hanahira isn't even covered in that.

>>19635051
I wasn't joking either, I have 30 Japanese ASMR subscriptions on YouTube.

>>19635058
I know but I wanted an excuse to post the image and suggest Flyable Heart instead of Hanahira.

>>19635026
はなひらっ is available on nyaa though, unlike flyable heart.

>>19635073
you're searching the wrong part of nyaa dude

>>19635073
I got FH off nyaa. Maybe you didn't check the japanese part of it, whatever it's called.

>>19635080
I checked sukebei, too.

>>19635064
Flyable heart is great too, but is significantly longer. The reason I liked Hanahira is because even when I was just starting, I finished it all in a month.

>と思う

>>19635084
you didn't check hard enough

>>19635091
>と思うことがありますかれども

>>19635084
it's literally right there

>>19635103
>0 Bytes

>>19634909
>reflects little about your actual ability
This is actually what Reddit/Youtubers think. As a DJTer, I only care about reading and listening, which is what the JLPT tests for. The only people who complain that it doesn't actually test your abilities are those who focused on speaking.

When you are a NEET with no accomplishments, having a nice N2 certificate to hang on the wall would be nice. Anything below N2 is worthless though.

>>19635106
yeah that doesn't mean anything

>>19635106
Next you're gonna say you were merely pretending to be retarded.

>>19635106
Anything from nyaa.se, which was shut down and replaced by nyaa.si, is marked at 0 bytes, but it's actually the full thing.

>>19635111
why not get n1? 2nd place is still last place. n2 is no better than n3 or n5. go big or go home little boy

>>19635111
>>When you are a NEET with no accomplishments, having a nice N2 certificate to hang on the wall would be nice.
My bachelor and master diplomas are collecting dust in a drawer somewhere. How can you find any meaning in something even more trivial

>>19635118
No, I'm just really new to nyaa

>>19635111
>which is what the JLPT tests for.
You can pass N1 and still not comprehend jack shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5t37q1neC4

>>19635124
It is funny that you say that, because my bachelor and master are also sitting in a drawer somewhere. I don't even know where they are. But I would hang the N2 up on my wall.

It is probably a bad attitude, but I never had any doubt that I would finish my degrees, so I didn't feel accomplished when I finished them. Learning Japanese is just different.

How long should I spend trying to understand a sentence before I just move onto the next one? I'm new to reading obviously.

>>19635172
A few seconds. If it seems important, maybe half a minute. If it's important and it's also something you know you should know by now, a minute or two. Never any longer than that for any reason.

>>19635177
I'm counting after you finish reading the end of it here by the way.

>>19635172
It depends. If you understand most but not all, then it's worth spending time to look it up. But if you're completely lost, just continue on and come back later when you're more skilled.

Matt says he regrets spending minutes trying to figure out sentences by googling various words or grammar points instead of just skipping them and finding more comprehensible input. So just spend a few seconds and then move on.

>>19635172
In general, you should look for what some describe as "+1" sentences. That is, sentences that you only don't understand one part of. Anything more complicated is not worth looking into because you will spend too much time looking stuff up.

>>19635185
>>19635197
I don't think I have anything that can be described as either +1 sentences or comprehensible input at this stage. I started reading literally a week ago.

when i finish RTK i'll let you know how i handle your problem

>>19635205
What are you trying to read?

>>19635238
Yotsuba and NHK easy. Sentences in yotsuba take me a lot longer cause kanjidamage sucks so much ass compared to yomichan

>>19635205
Use a hover-dictionary like yomichan and have DoJG with ctrl+f on the side to look up what you need. Just don't dwell on the sentence for long if it still doesn't make sense.

>>19635205
go crazy for the first couple chapters. look up as many words and grammar as you want. but after 2 or 3 chapters just put the dictionary down and read through it, only looking up words if you see them more than once or one word per page. if it's too hard then that's a sign that you're not skilled enough to read that yet and should go read manga or something easier

>>19635205
Try eromanga.

>>19635249
*kanjitomo
>>19635251
>>19635252
Thanks

>>19635249
NHK Easy is probably a good choice if you're using Rikaikun or Rikaichamp. The grammar is simple and the sentences are often pretty straight forward, but the vocab is really hard.

Yotsuba I've found is hard to read without the vocab list, so find that. That should make it a lot easier, but as others have said, if you don't understand it, keep moving on. When you hit the end of Chapter 1, consider reading it once more a bit closer, trying to break down as much as you can, and then using a translated copy to make sense of what you don't understand.

But don't use a translated copy after that, else you will become reliant and cripple yourself.

>>19634823
>>19634988
>>19635249
>>19635252
>>19635272
Manga isn't reading though.

>>19635337
自殺してください

>>19635337
manga is manga reading. you read a lot of dialogue and thoughts and sound effects. but you don't read noun descriptions and action descriptions since artists can just draw that stuff

>>19635364
>sound effects
Does anybody read those? They blend in with everything and I mentally filter them anyway.

>>19635380
I mean, yeah. How else do you know what sound it's making?

>>19635389
I don't?

When writing Anki cards, when do you review those. Do you wait until you’ve done something else then go back to it or as soon as you write them?

>>19635726
Usually, I add them to my mining deck, so I won't see them for awhile after I add them. But I would wait 24 hours at least before doing them if it's a new deck.

Listen to podcasts and webradios, /djt/. I highly recommend Sayonara Zetsubou Housou and Kurogane no Radio-Barrel for some 笑and草.

>>19635389
Japanese onomatopoeia seem to only make sense to the Japs tbqh.

>>19634229
>tfw it’s already been like 10 years anyways since I first started learning Japanese with Ayumilove

What's up with the position of kanji in compounds?
With cases like 軍将 and 将軍 or 腹切 and 切腹, are there any rules or reasoning behind this?

I'm slowly learning japanese with duo lingo, trying to read manga at the same time. Any advice? I'm drawing characters and reciting their names.

I know a little bit of chinese too.

>>19635775
Are there a lot of Japanese who do podcasts? Wonder what they talk about. And how do you look for web radios? Those are specific times and such right?

Read the guide and stop using duolinguo

>>19635847
考えるな。知るんだ。

>>19635906
Okay, but I just thought there might be some neat historical reason behind this and I don't know how I would go about finding out if it is.

>>19635847
Are you fucking retarded? In the 腹切 one is wago and the other is kango.

>>19635941
Thanks for giving me those terms because I had never seen them before and now I know.
Where do I study this meta stuff about Japanese?

>>19635965
lol I learned them from core2k

whats yalls issue

>>19635847
Japanese is SOV, Chinese is SVO

>there are people who think Japanese grammar isn't baby-tier

>>19635993
Only abstractly.

>>19634447
Its make it harder for me.

>>19635993
on paper it seems that way but in practicality heres what happens to the paper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weqgNHa6X4E

>>19634447
djt is ez mode.

>>19635993
Whether or not the Japanese grammar is baby-tier depends on what you consider "grammar".
Westerners consider "〜方がいい" grammar, but from the Japanese perspective it's just one of the uses of the noun ほう.

seconding that djt is pretty ez

>>19636012
I really wish that was how it was taught honestly, because it wasn't until I started thinking of 方 as a noun that I understood all of the different grammar with it.

>>19634447
This is why I speak Japanese to my friends and family whenever I can, but rarely does anyone manage to respond.

>>19635847
軍将 is hierarchical

将軍 adheres to no such thing for thats beneath him

腹切り just refers to the act of 切腹 (high level shit here watch out)

nah that can't be a noun you guys are nuts. a "direction" isn't a noun.

consider this its against the rules to use a word to define itself yet i implore you to define left and right for me : )

>>19636100
Something something magnetic field, something something direction of the Lorenz force

Does all jap mango come with sexy sleeve? I don't know who came up with the idea to also put completely different covers on them but I hope they gave him a lot of money.
Also are there never any ads in jap mangos, both my english series have them and while none of my current 4 jap series do.

Ask the majority of your tribe which hand they jack off with, where that hand is relative to their torso is right.

>>19636100
The two halfspaces created by the hyperplane which cuts straight down the center of the viewpoint of the observer.

>>19636100
Left: the opposite of right
Right: the opposite of left

金をとれるだけの演奏ならね、聞きに行ってあげなくもないよ
why both なくand ない?

>>19636280
Look up なくもない

Literally me.

>>19636307
>日本人
You wish.

nobody wishes to be short have a small penis and look like a monkey

your worldly outlook is chisaisugiru for some "people" that would be an upgrade

>>19636374
Not all nipnins are okinawan.

"彼の腕は太い"
Is this saying that his arms are fat, or thick? Basically, is he overweight, or fit?

>>19636374
pigface gwailo oink oink

>>19636433
this is why you read manga first people

>>19636437
i said that in self loathing btw

>>19635993
My language has 7 clauses nigga

Does anyone listen to music whilst doing their reviews?

>>19636626
yeah it makes grinding kanji reviews more fun

Nope. The most I'll do is take short breaks browsing the internet, but when I'm in the process of reviewing I can't let music distract me.

>>19636641
Listen to classical it won't distract as say something with lyrics. It sets the mood and helps me get through 200+ reviews, though I turn off the music for young cards.

well i listen to japanese music so if i get distracted by the lyrics it's not really anything lost

>>19636626
why not just have both as one thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKV0rE1RlMo#t=146

「狭いところは好きだし、これからの季節には防寒対策にもなるし、子猫の場合には靴下はちょっとしたお布団代わりになるみたいなのだが、体にフィットする靴下は猫を猫じゃないものに変えてしまうようだ。」How is 代わり　pronounced?

watasi wa gaywari

>>19636889
You need to go back to core.

>>19636945
You know less Japanese than the poster you responded to.

>>19636945
Why i've never done core?
Is it kawari or gawari?

>>19636957
t. the person I responded to

>As someone who is currently doing KKLC, I'd say do RTK. I'm constantly encountering kanji using the same exact keywords and having to modify things. Too far in to swap now, though.
Haha wait, so KKLC doesn't even attempt to distinguish synonyms? I had a feeling it was garbage compared to RTK but it's nice to read honest opinions from those who have tried it.

who cares about all that shit tho

Not everyone here has started learning Japanese yet you self righteous cunt.

The fuck does vis-à-vis(対) mean?

>>19637225
arent you supposed to read the guide before posting

whos the cunt again?

>>19637242
I've read the guide 4 times over.

>>19637250
Do you know Japanese yet?

>>19637250
oh well thats 4 times more than me carry on bro

>>19637252
No that comes later.
>>19637257
I was just fucking with you I've skimmed it half-assedly like twice.

well then youre the fuckin cunt!!

Daily reminder that manga is literature

manga owns and you should read it

Daily reminder that only literature is literature.

daily reminder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylbmc1hAofg#t=71

Daily reminder to kyoiku kanji > 2k > manga > VNs > LNs > Japanese Literature

Daily reminder to drink some water and stretch your legs

>>19637127
If you set up your deck correctly it is easy to distinguish them.

Daily reminder that you will always be a baka gaijin no matter what you do

wrong it's RTK1->week break->RTK3->VNs->literature
the whole time you should be listening.

>>19637312
i cant even imagine how people do shit like this

why not just learn nihongo

rtk a shit

Since all currently existing methods of learning kanji are absolute garbage let's collectively write our own kanji guide one word at a time. I'll start: Hello

>>19637322
If you don't have the courage and strength to do isolated kanji study then you can't learn Japanese. But someone with the courage and strength to do isolated kanji study will master Japanese.

goodbye

Ok, it's finished. Here's our community written, community approved guide 2 kanji:

Hello

If you don't have the courage and strength to do isolated kanji study then you can't learn Japanese. But someone with the courage and strength to do isolated kanji study will master Japanese.

Goodbye

>>19637322
I don't use it anymore. I stopped studying the kanji by themselves. Now I'm doing a writing deck with the important vocab from KKLC.

Why doesn't this deck have 2k,2-6k,6-10k but rather jumps to 6k. Liars

>>19637340
heres the guide in video form https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fWGaLTj10s#t=63

Reminder that Jamal is a pathetic flabby middle aged man whose life is so empty he shitposts 24/7 in this thread of all places.

no he isn't

djts just a fun tab in my browser idk why you try to make it sound like more than that

Daily reminder that DJT is literature

>>19637372
>spending all day every day of what little life you've got left on the computer
>spending an inordinate % of that time shitposting in this thread
You can play it off however you want but you're still pathetic af

Dude there's nothing wrong with being pathetic.

Trip back on Jamal I beg you

your head canons not much more than just a projection of your own situation to be honest

>>19637415
Keep telling yourself that friend. Fact of the matter is your shitposts are spread out through every single thread by the time I scroll through them. I feel sorry for you in a way.

>日本語の場合は平仮名よりカタカナのほうが外国人にとっても覚えやすいといいます。
Japanese people believe this

>といいます

>>19637441
i feel sorry for you admittedly scrolling through djt

like for real whats your issue lmao

>>19637456
its true i learned katakana first by watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiAaEPcnlOg

does the average nip write with perfect stroke order or do they not give a shit beyond a few of the most basic patterns.

>>19637553
They don't need to give a shit because it's natural and intuitive to them.

everyones taught to write the same way so im not sure what youre trying to glean with that question but japanese folks dont write like the computer fonts or calligraphy

Most nihonjins' handwriting is very ugly

its like a pileup on the freeway just truly a giant mess

frankly its bullshit

Seriously if you pay attention to the stroke order for the radicals and then learn the order those radicals are written in for about 50 kanji, then you can start to guess them pretty accurately without effort. There's literally no effort involved, just do it.

thats the key to reading peoples shit handwriting

much like how its not what you say but how you say it

its not what you write but how you write it

どうか　どうか
ｃｏｏｃｈｉｅをあげてください

>>19637778
no there are a few exceptions and even if you know stroke order that doesn't mean you'll write with correct stroke order if you think your own half-assed way is faster, kinda like how people are taught a particular way to write letters in english but they just say fuck it later.

>>19637370
Found Jamal.

>>19637818
There are a few exception, but I'm saying it becomes very easy to guess most of them after about 50 or so kanji. There aren't that many exceptions compared to the number of kanji you'll need. I didn't do rtk, but I did write them with vocabulary until I could write a few thousand. I would always guess the stroke order before looking it up and would guess it correctly 99% of the time after doing the first 50 or so.

>>19637840
wasnt me

>>19637877
Whatever you say.

whatever you think

nice subs btw glad to see you finally saw the light

I didn't make that screenshot, just saved it.

whatever helps you sleep at night

How do I start reading? What is good to start with? Ultimately I want to be able to read Romeo and Murakami

>>19637944
unko chan 絵本 series

>>19637947
ehon aren't reading.

>>19637944
just start reading
it's that simple

>>19637951
same

dont read til rtk n cor or ittle be hard

ittle busters

>>19636889
がわり
×かわり

>>19637982
that game pissed me off so bad. after 10 or hours so i realized all the h scenes were removed. whens ex comming out

the best part about ex was when they said nvm and released it again with no porno ftw

dam that shit true
how they get away with that

When can I read jintai?

today

Kind of want to work on my ability to decipher less than well enunciated Japanese. Any suggestions for some bulk amounts of such listening material?

>>19638151
If you can't think of any that's because you never run into any which means you don't need to know

turn on the telly

What's the easiest murakami?

>>19637944
For Romeo-sama you also need a decent grasp on philosophy, I recommend Russell's History of Western Philosophy and The Problems of Philosophy.

>>19638192
One book alone isn't going to be enough.

>>19638192
Wait do I really need philo to read jintai? The anime was pretty straightforward

how can anyone survive as an anki drone

>>19638211
Of course not, those books are just quick primers, but ultimately you'll want to have read at least around 100 primary sources before you even think about scratching 黒須チャンネル's doorknob.

>>19638183
I do run into it, just not so much sources of large volumes of it, which I would like to have so I could just listen at work or something.

>>19638217
jintai is pretty watered down romeo but the high level concepts and ideas are still there that in the end all boil down to one simple thing anyway

so i guess what im saying is you need to read at least don quixote to have even a sliver of a chance of understanding jintai on anything but a surface level

Is jintai reasonable for a first time reader?

no way jorge

>>19638221
What do you mean? You do the flashcards, you feel good about yourself because you did the flashcards, so you keep going. Since you never read or test your knowledge in any way, you just cruise on by being like, fuck yeah, I can do 10k anki cards, even though you can't read a simple novel.

>>19638304
but dont let that stop you because when i was coming up no one was there to tell me what was or wasnt reasonable and i turned out ok and had lots of fun

>>19638151
Watch live Japanese TV. Especially for variety shows, some of them are incomprehensible.

Especially look for anything in Tohoku ben if you want to really suffer.

>>19638304
What do I read then?

>>19638151
watch freestyle dungeon and learn the art of 韻を踏むing

>>19638322
Yotsuba, Hanahira, etc. Books for kids are also a good choice. I've been enjoying Kaitou Joker lately.

>>19638322
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9rv_cVvUSU

>>19638322
try anything by natsume soseki. 吾輩は猫である is an especially pleasant read.

can someone link the hentai chart im posting from another persocom

i dont want another one lost to the djt trolls

thx in advance

>>19638340
Any idea where I can find this? Searched both Aquablue and アクアブルー on nyaa and couldn't find it.

i think the last time this came up someone said you could find it on animebites

otherwise youre welcome to come borrow it off my hentai shelf

>>19638371
Ah, I don't have an account for anime bytes and invites seem to be closed. Any chance you could upload it somewhere?

im not in my usual posting lair but thats no excuse i wouldnt do it anyway

you should still play it but if not just follow your heart

https://streamable.com/yjca3

If you improve 1% a day at the things you love, then very quickly you find obstacles.

1% a day equals 3800% in a year when compounding.

ladies and gentlemen the mathematicians of djt

>>19638344
Do you have any azw3?

>>19638416
To be fair Steve takes a very relaxed approach. He doesn't necessarily know or advocate for what's most efficient. He takes his time in the languages he enjoys.

>>19638419
their math is actually correct, they just rounded up from 37XX%ish

(i mean they should have subtracted 100% but that's not substantial)

>>19638422
What he does happens to be what's most efficient, he just uses inefficient tools for it.

>>19638419
>>19638425
I copy pasted this from some "how to be successful" blog post I'm sorry guys.
https://www.quora.com/How-does-one-succeed-at-life/answer/James-Altucher

>>19638417
but 1% of a trillion is still a hundred. thats a lot

>>19638420
I just read it from here
https://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000148/files/789_14547.html

1% of a trillion nothing is still nothing

>>19638319
>Watch live Japanese TV
As a lover of trivia, there's this show I've been watching on an actual japanese tv channel (Waku waku or something) called マツコの知らない世界, which is essentially like a talk show, but instead of celebrity guests マツコ talked to a person (or two) who had a lot of interests (be it commercial or academic) in certain things. There's an episode on 図鑑 and turns out there's an encyclopedia on those fish-shaped onions sauce bottles, listed as if they're actual fishes.

>>19636100
>define left
I've read that anime about dictionaries, I know this one!

It's the westerly direction if you're facing north.

consider this its against the rules to use a word to define itself yet i implore you to define north, south, east, and west for me :)

>>19638565
*points in a direction*
north

sun rises in the east, sets in the west
north and south can be defined in terms of electromagnetic fields

>>19638596
>north and south can be defined in terms of electromagnetic fields
that's where you're wrong

>>19638601
oh yeah?

>>19638602
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal

>>19638606
that hasn't happened for a while
and if it does, then the definition of north and south will be called into question anyway

>implore
what, are you gay?

>>19638565
>define north
The bloody cowards who unleash their aggression on us peace-loving southerners

in any case, north and south can still be defined in terms of electromagnetic fields in certain eras (e.g. the one in which we are living)

man i wish i knew japanese

>>19638625
or in more concrete terms, the direction the needle of the compass points towards. Assuming of course you're not really close to the actual magnetic north pole.

>>19638634
i avoided defining it in terms of a compass needle because it's tautological

i guess you could define the north-south axis in terms of a magnetised needle and then clarify which is which by noting the direction in which the sun rises/sets

please leave. this isnt the thread for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuJW3bWmJ9Q
After a few months of genki and a year of AJATT this guy watched Flavors of Youth and claims he understood everything and understands everything in the shows he enjoys but that he probably couldn't understand harder material with more technical terms like science stuff. Also claims he understood everything when he read Jojo part 5 recently. Says he did 4 hours of active listening a day and averaged about 40 minutes of reading per day but would sometimes read more if he was interested in something.

Don't skimp out on your listening.

>>19638628
i wish you did too

>>19638664
thanks man i'll get there in a year

only if you make a deal with satan seemingly

I bet you guys would believe me if I said I read and completely understood the 万葉集 after having sucked 10000 dicks in a 五反田 alley as long as it was in video form and titled AJATT 1 Week Progress or something

i'm thinking of breaking up with my japanese girlfriend because she's buddhist and i'm christian, i know we can't be together long term
this makes me very sad
she's a big motivation for me to learn japanese too

>>19638674
IDK man people could be lying about their progress but I don't tend to assume that they are, particularly when their method is basically lots of input.

>>19638681
Both of your religions are retarded so I wouldn't worry about that. But the racial thing is a problem, sorry.

>>19638690
wow, edgy
anyway the other problem is she is a fair bit older than me and probably won't be able to have children

>>19638654
Let's make it relevant.

Define 右

>>19638698
Right. Easy. Next.

>>19638698
左の反対の言葉

>>19638702
I said 'define', not 'translate'.

>>19638746
Those two aren't mutually exclusive boyo

>>19638746
I said right. 右 can be defined as right. Next.

I just had an interesting experience with my listening practice. There is a scene in Shingeki no Kyojin where Eren is referred to as 死に急ぎ野郎 and you are supposed to know it is his nickname. Even though I had watched the entire show twice with English subs and once raw, I had never heard him called that before that scene. My first time through listening to the audio passively, I still never heard it. Now, on my second pass, I heard it 5-6 times even though I'm paying less attention than the first time.

I thought the passive audio was a meme, but maybe it actually works. I don't do anything stupid like have audio playing when I'm trying to read VNs or doing my flashcards. I just have it going for a few hours a day while I'm browsing the internet or gaming.

good job, you managed to pick up one useless word after two rewatches of an anime. now time to move on to active listening, kid. you might just learn a thing or two.

daddy please make fun of my accomplishments more

>>19638837
I only passively listen after I've actively listened to it.

>>19637456
ちがうの？

>>19634700
Yeah... it's not something I'm proud of but I can't quit now...

I started learning Japanese at some point in high school 10 years ago. I learned all the kana with namasensei, along with some grammar. At some point I stopped learning for awhile, I think it was because namasensei taught wrong grammar.

After I graduated high school I started learning again. I grinded RTK for awhile until I knew about a thousand kanji. By that point people started to really type a lot of Japanese in the threads on /a/ to talk to each other and I couldn't understand using kanji meanings so I got demotivated and stopped again for awhile.

I still lurked the threads and learned soon that the new method was to grind anki core6k. I thought I was better than I was so I did core2k instead. I would keep getting a few hundred words in then quit for awhile because I wasn't making progress, then I'd have to start over.

It took me about 7 and a half years before I finally started to get over my fear of reading, but even then I wouldn't read anything until I learned all the words in it with an anki deck.

2 years later, I finally got over my fear of reading enough to read NHK Easy without grinding the words in anki first. I have mp3s of Steve telling me to read a lot that I listen to as I fall asleep.

Don't be like me, absolutely do not be like me, I beg you. Anki and grammar guides and being lazy are just going to make you like me... The 10 year loser...

Maybe I'll make it before 15 years.

>>19638940
So, you still haven't read any VN, LN, or manga?

>>19638989
I read Yotsuba&! a few years ago but only after I did all the cards in Anki, I was too afraid of reading if I didn't already know all the words up until my 9th year.

After I finally got over my fear, I've been reading the rest of Yotsuba&!, Doraemon, and a few other kid manga. I just wish I got over my fear a lot sooner, the time I could have saved really depresses me when I think about it.

>>19638940
Man, you literal dekinais have some strong resolve, 12 fucking years.
This wouldn't happen if you learned Spanish / French properly in school, you filthy EOP.

>>19639109
when you have people spewing actual paranoid garbage yeah, it "grates a little"

no it's fucking obnoxious

>>19639140
>paranoid garbage
if you call it that you'll permanently cripple your japanese and also your dick

>>19639005
Good. I'm glad to see you are finally reading. We're all going to make it.

>>19639152
worrying about your privacy because of literally jquery is paranoid garbage, yes

Why is it that every time someone makes something "for" a board/general they always forget which site they're on and get pissy when people don't suck their dicks

>>19639208
your psychological problems don't have anything to do with being on /jp/

>>19639208
Friendly reminder that there's a difference between not sucking dick and being a dick.

>>19639216
?
>>19639219
There's no in-between when it comes to critiquing something on the internet

>>19639223
this post is a perfect example of your psychological problems, congratulations

>>19639228
I'm not saying there can't be, I'm just saying that's how it usually ends up. Go look at any review site

>>19639219
And being a dick is the norm. Did you skip the /b/-initiation before posting on other boards?

>>19639236
not a thing
>>19639239
newfag detected

>>19639242
Not gonna deny, I've only been here for 3 years.

>>19639242
If you say so

>>19639239
Being a dick is not the norm, it's the vocal minority. The people who aren't dicks just don't get involved with stupid questions so you don't see them.

>>19639245
やっぱり、 post-g*m*rg*t* newfags are the cancer that killed 4chan

>>19639256
>やっぱり
Can't believe there are actually multiple anons posting upwards of 110 _つ_り words in the previous thread.

What the fuck was that

>>19639005
read kimi ni todoke, anon.
Sawako will magically cure your stupidity.

How are you supposed to actually "use" Anki?
Just look at whatever pops on the screen, click show answer and then go to the next one?

>>19639283
have you never used flashcards before

>>19639287
Not really, no.

>>19639283
Read the guide before asking stupid questions.

>>19639289
you remember the back before showing the back

if you remembered the back you got it right, otherwise you got it wrong

>>19639266
that was the most on-topic we have been in days

>>19639283
from the anki user manual:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QS2G-k2hQyg

>>19639300
>watching a 7 minute video to learn something that would take 30 seconds and two sentences to be told

>>19639293
Maybe we should list more words.

I've been having problems remembering the doubly-repeated words, like ぐらぐら, ぶらぶら, だらだら or ぐるぐる.

>>19639306
if someone's new to the whole concept then it's going to be worth it to watch a 7 minute video. or they can skip the start bit on shared decks and go to the bit on reviews

>>19639370
or they can just be told what to do and try it a few times and have a perfect intuitive understanding of it

>>19639373
if they were smart enough to work it out intuitively they wouldn't have needed to ask on djt

>>19639289
I forgot to elaborate

for vocabulary flashcards, you want the front of the card to be however it's spelled, and if it's spelled in kanji then you don't want any readings on the front

and the back should have the reading and definition, and you should try to remember both of them

remembering the definition is conceptual; if your card defines 悪魔 as "devil" or "demon" but keep conceptualizing it as "magical/evil/monster thing" before you flip the card, that's 100% okay

you should not try to remember any example sentences or images anywhere

>>19639311
あおあお
あかあか
あつあつ
あとあと
いきいき
いそいそ
いちいち
いやいや
いよいよ
いらいら
いろいろ
うきうき
うずうず
うちうち
うとうと
うろうろ
えいえい
えんえん
おいおい
おうおう
おのおの
おりおり
おろおろ
かいかい
かずかず
かちかち
がさがさ
がたがた
がぶがぶ
がやがや
きゅうきゅう
きょろきょろ
きらきら
ぎざぎざ
ぎゅうぎゅう
ぎらぎら
ぎりぎり
くしゃくしゃ
くたくた
くどくど
くよくよ
くるくる
ぐずぐず
ぐるぐる
こうこう
こそこそ
こちこち
こつこつ
ころころ
ごぶごぶ
ごろごろ
さいさい
さらさら
ざらざら
ざわざわ
しとしと
しばしば
しぶしぶ
しゃぶしゃぶ
しゅうしゅう
しょうしょう
しんしん
じきじき
じめじめ
じゃぶじゃぶ
じゅじゅ
じょうじょう
じょじょ
すやすや
すらすら
すれすれ
ずきずき
ずるずる
せいせい
せかせか
せんせん
ぜひぜひ
ぜんぜん
そうそう
そもそも
そろそろ
そわそわ
ぞくぞく
ぞろぞろ
たびたび
たまたま
たらたら
たんたん
だいだい
だぶだぶ

>>19639387
だらだら
だんだん
ちゃくちゃく
ちょうちょう
ちょくちょく
ちらちら
ちんちん
つぎつぎ
つやつや
つるつる
てくてく
てんてん
とうとう
とくとく
とんとん
どうどう
どきどき
どしどし
どれどれ
どんどん
なかなか
ながなが
なぞなぞ
なになに
なみなみ
にやにや
ぬるぬる
ねばねば
ねんねん
のびのび
のろのろ
はんはん
ばいばい
ばたばた
ばりばり
ひしひし
ひそひそ
ひにひに
ひらひら
びくびく
びしょびしょ
びりびり
ぴかぴか
ぴょんぴょん
ぴりぴり
ぴんぴん
ふらふら
ぶかぶか
ぶつぶつ
ぶらぶら
ぶるぶる
べたべた
べつべつ
ぺこぺこ
ぺらぺら
ほうほう
ぼやぼや
ぼろぼろ
ぽかぽか
ぽたぽた
まあまあ
まえまえ
まごまご
ますます
まちまち
まるまる
まんまん
みすみす
みるみる
めいめい
めきめき
めちゃめちゃ
めんめん
もしもし
もともと
もろもろ
やまやま
やれやれ
ゆうゆう
ゆらゆら
よくよく
よちよち
よなよな
よろよろ
らくらく
わいわい
わくわく
わざわざ
われわれ

>>19639387
>>19639393
What a beautyful language

>>19639306
>>19639370
I watched the 7 minute video
Wasn't really necessary to watch all of it but it was nice and relaxing I liked it.
that's it for today's blog, please like and subscribe

Where do you buy a Japanese keyboard?

>>19639410
you don't and you don't want or need one

>>19639410
at the japanese store

>>19639414
I'm not subscribing to input only. I want to be able to talk to people.

>>19639410
There is no need to go that far

>>19639410
call ibm and ask if they still make them

>>19639421
you should research how people type in japanese for like literally five seconds before planning anything

>>19639421
Just use an input method, バカヤロウ

hang on i might be able to find a 7 minute youtube video on how to use a search engine

>>19639424
What the fuck is this

Looks both incredibly awesome and unbelievably tedious to use

>>19634909

It's funny, all the people who are anti JLPT are probably NEET autists who are afraid of being in a room full of people.

>>19639441
people are anti JLPT because とは is considered N1 grammar and jlpt vocabulary lists are worse than useless; and also if you specifically study for the JLPT you can pass N1 without knowing japanese, which is not something you want to do

>>19639444
>you can pass N1 without knowing japanese
no you cant

>>19639441
I would be all for JLPT if it was more like TOEFL or IELTS. The fact that you can get the highest degree certificate without any output whatsoever is what makes me skeptical about it.

>>19634884
jcat more like jSCAT

>>19639465
yes you can

N1 is trivial if you actually know japanese

>>19639470
what can I say, im a scat man

>>19639465
You have a very low standard of what it means to know Japanese.

>>19639444

You make a good point, the JLPT is fucked in many ways. It still doesn't discount the fact it's a useful qualification if you're looking for work in Japan, it's easy as shit and cheap to do.

>>19639478
you need at least 10k words plus a shit ton of grammar to pass. that may not be native level, but that's definitely far from "not knowing japanese"

>>19639488
Knowing 10k words, ~3k kanji and speaking the classroom dialect is not "knowing Japanese".

>>19639490
can you pass n1?

hello I have prepared a helpful infographic for you guys

>>19639496
oops, I just realized the way I colored it might be confusing, so I fixed it!

>>19639496
how to read?

>>19639499
try reading the text

>>19639501
sorry i only speak japanese

>>19639497
nvm I get it now

>>19639496
>>19639497

confusing m8

>>19639495
Nope.
But there are people who can ITT, and some of them post plenty of retarded shit they wouldn't post if they knew Japanese.
E.g. there was a guy with a 100% score on N1 who argued that pitch accent is a meme.

>>19639393
>>19639406
see here for a longer list including less common ones
https://pastebin.com/9qPtkYD4

is this clearer

>>19639513
well I guess we know not to listen to you then. pass n1 first, then you'll be qualified to say whether or not the professional linguists are qualified to make a test.

>can't even draw an euler diagram properly

>>19639526
that's because it's not a euler diagram

>>19639527
no but it should be

>>19639527
>yewler
commit suicide

>>19639530
euler diagrams are awkward for dichotomistic sets

>>19639525
I'll screenshot this post.
See you in 1.5 years.

>>19639531
the u is silent. it's pronounced eller (as in old yeller)