/jp/ - Otaku Culture

lets start this thread off right

>>19622280
A classic image.

Daily laymen refuting entire fields thread.

no one heres been laid tho

So Flyable Hearts is literally perfect...

daily schizo being incoherent thread

>>19622344
trust me a lil list with #s on it isnt going to help you with anything

btw the word list looks really fuckin weird to me right now

list list list

anyway dont read flyable balls it fuckin sux read the better modern flying eroge if my heart had wings

>>19622344
read eustia that one is cool

God speed, gentlemen. Remember, DO YOUR REPS (by reps, I mean 2-4 hours of reading+listening today)

>>19622360
he imitates text to speech programs. it's fucking weird.

i bet i could change nuke marines nihongo life and free him of his eternal torment

>>19622402
matt vs japan talked with him for a good hour or so on youtube and he couldn't change his mind at all. what can you tell the man who has convinced himself that his method is the best but who has been at a beginner stage for 8 years?

>>19622416
all you have to do is trick him into consuming dlsite eroge trials in japanese for a few months

talk to him in japanese like a 5 year old until he completely melts down

and then of course rebuild him better and stronger than ever since im taking a great leap in assuming hes got all the exposure he needs by now lol

Gonna take N3 again this year. Last year I got 73 and this time I'm going to pass it. Any good reading exercises

I had barely gotten started with anki when my computer shat on me, and now that i've restarted I noticed that both times shit started getting hard and annoying after about 2 weeks, to where I dont feel like doing it.
it feels like im overloading but im only on 20 new a day
am I retarded

>>19622591
Try doing something more fun in Japanese.

>>19622591
youre not retarded the flashcards just have no meaning to you

its normal

go play with japanese first before you start doing dumb shit like drilling things that you dont care about

きょうのにほんご

>元年

元年のつぎは２年になるよ

>Questioned why do the Japanese language have so much Kanji and thought it would be easier to read it in nothing but Katakana

>Years later I've realized it's difficult to read Japanese without the Kanji characters because I've gotten so accustomed to it.

>>19622750
Maybe in a few more years you'll get good enough to realize that Japanese people can read pure kana text effortlessly, and you're currently in yet another bubble of inexperience which blinds you to the truth.

>>19622667
>flashcards just have no meaning to you
but I run into native nip every day, doujin are the main reason I started learning

Elitism aside, is stroke order important?

>some mouthbreather on my friends list got a hiragana か tattoo thinking it meant power in chinese

>>19622829
stroke order is important if you want to write
otherwise no

>>19622831
they can turn it into a 力 inside of a triangle and it'll be power again

もうあつーい

たえられなーい

>>19622829
In writing? Yeah. If you want to learn, I recommend doing it the way nips does it to obtain a good habit.

>>19622844
エアコンつけば

Can someone share Tae Kim pdf?

>>19622829
If you are learning to write, it is stupid not to learn stroke order. It might increase your learning time by 1%, but I think even that is a high estimate.

if I learn the general "pattern" for writing can I get by by applying that to everything

>>19623003
yeah but you're gonna way to learn the right ways to write all the individual components anyways because that's what counts when it comes to stroke order

>>19622869
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/taekim.html#2%20Other%20formats
It's the link under
>2. PDF Version - Philipp Kerling wrote an awesome script to convert the site to PDF.

>>19623022
Actually, the direct link should open in your browser if you want that.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/assets/grammar_guide.pdf

the pdf version of tae kim is outdated, just use the new single-page html version

Can anyone access Tae Kim's website? It seems like its down for me.

>>19623077
yep looks down to me
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/taekim.html

To those of you who are deathly afraid of misinterpreting shit and postpone "reading" manga.
If you know basic Japanese grammar (at least all of Tae Kim, except for certain literary expressions), you will be be able to understand most of the text correctly (provided you also use Handbook/DoJG).
If you do mess up a particular sentence, it will likely contradict what was said previously, the pictures or common sense.
And finally if you fuck something up really badly, it's not so terrible either, your very first manga sure as hell won't be one with a plot.

Now go and learn 日本語.

>>19623138
no

>>19623142
"No" what, Lowercase-kun?

>>19623145
no I will not read before learning every word

fuck this desu: 動く,働く

also this: 待つ　持つ

>>19623172
easy, anything can 動く, but only people (人・⺅) can 働く

also easy, 手・扌 makes it be "have", because hands "have", and 彳 makes it be "wait", because it's the same left side as 行 and has to do with motion

>>19623172
段設投
織識職
彼破被

>RTK babbies need English keywords to tell these apart

Daily reminder that if you're having trouble with listening and think that kanji filled text is easier than hiragana only then you've permanently fucked your brain and can't ever hope to learn Japanese.

Daily reminder that no matter what you do, you can't learn Japanese.

how do i find things to listen to i switched to android so i don't have podcasts for iphone anymore

Does anyone have this in a higher resolution?

>>19623351
The resolution is just fine.

Is there a pic related statistics on how many J-J dictionaries use within their explanations?
Like, approximately how many words does one need to know before one can use a J-J dictionary effectively?

>>19623432
Stop worrying about austistic stuff like that and just try to use one and if you can't understand shit then you'll know its too early

>>19623451
I'm not worrying about it.
I just found it merely amusing, I was reading that oxford dictionary uses around 3K words to describe English words, I wondered if there is a similar statistics for Japanese

>>19623464
source?
the oed is massive, the full version takes up a whole bookshelf, I find it hard to believe that 3000 words is all that's needed for the descriptions

This guy always sounds so tired.

>>19623474
>3000 words is all that's needed for the descriptions
No, but 3000 words is all you need to be able to understand any description without using other dictionaries. The lookup process can take forever if 3000 words is all you know though.

限り
限りだ
に限らず
に限り
に限って
とは限らない
とも限らない
とは限りません
～を限りに

Kill me

While we are on the subject of word counts, what the fuck does this line in the guide mean?
>高校生レベル： ４万～４万５千語 = High School level: 40-45 thousand
If an high scooler knows 45k japanese words, just how many words are used in the real literature? like the kind of which, a typical high schooler wouldn't understand?
Is it just the difference on what constitutes a separate word between English and Japanese?
A typical English adult knows 20K words

>>19623585
probably counts transitive and intransitive nouns and adverbs etc. as unique words etc, for english words it's the stem count

>>19623559
make sentences using those words
sensei will correct your compositions

>>19623595
あのんはにほんごを

あまくみているとおもう

I downloaded wanikani deck from sticky, but kanji are not displayed correctly. I put fonts that came with the deck into collection.media, still doesn't work.
Any ideas?

new fag autist that wont give up that wants to learn jap here, how much do i have to learn till i can do weeb shit.

>>19623632
Don't use wanikani deck

>>19623635
However long it takes to learn hiragana

>>19623649
you can read manga and watch anime with just hiragana?

>>19623646
What's wrong with it ?

>>19623668
yes

>do thing from guide
>get told by /djt/ that thing from guide will permanently cripple your Japanese

>>19623692
it's just a shitposter

>>19623692
>Believing everything you read here

アホガ

anyone have any michael rowely links?

>>19623738
never mind, i found a pdf, thanks anyway.

>>19623765
fugg this blows, anyone have a link to a pdf book.

When you read a book for the first time and encounter new words or expression that are unfamiliar, do you pause each time and search for its meaning, or do you continue on and hope that your reading comprehension is good enough to understand the context?

>>19623731
>posting in japanese before you know it
Good job on permanently crippling yourself.

>>19623852
I try not to make it a bad habit and learn from context without looking up words every second. If Rikaichan is available to use, I try to learn context from there.

>>19623877
The thing is, I am not just looking up words, but hooking it up onto my Anki deck for future study. My reading progress is stalled each time and barely moving forward the first few pages. I assume this might just be at the start and once I built up my vocabulary, it would be much easier.

>>19623906
You've permanently crippled yourself

>>19623906
If you do not know much vocabulary, it will stall you. If you got the grammar down, I advise you to learn a bit of vocab so you can read stuff much faster and easier.

What is this little shit? It is followed by 識. I searched by radicals - 立, 日, 心 and none of the results made any sense.

>>19623965
isiki

>>19623974
OH. It's 自意識. I'm completely retarded. I thought the pic was one kanji because of how close they were to each other.

>>19623985
A classic blunder. See also: 糸色望

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>>19624013
>Remembering more Anki cards than usual on my first try today
>Get to the new cards
>Already know the first three in a row thanks to other study materials
I hope your studying's going well, too!

>>19623852
Generally, I look up every unknown word using a textbox and rikai. This is probably the wrong way to do it, but I don't feel comfortable just guessing and moving on.

If I just want to finish reading already I may start skipping some of the more obvious stuff - or, on the contrary, sentences I just don't get at all that aren't important to the plot (with fighting scenes being a common example). If I like the book a lot, I sure as hell will try to understand every sentence to the degree that I can. Even though it means I'm reading at a snail's pace.

It's tiring, but it can't be helped since I cannot learn Japanese.

im so fucking tired, and i cant process anything right now before i go to bed is this the correct order of shit.
>read remembring the kana
>do tae kim videos and other stuff
>possibly do kanji shit if you really really want to

am i getting this right

>>19624058
There isn't a specific order you should learn Japanese. That relies on you entirely.

>>19624045
was that really necessary

>>19624070
you know whats strange about me, i cant remember japanese symbols really fuck all, but i can probably remember the pronunciations, and possibly could say them well. I think all the stress ruined my memory in some case or something. Whats wrong with me?

>>19624013
Where exactly are you going to see those three next to each other?

>>19624078
By the sound of it, you are not surrounding yourself with enough Japanese to process that in your head as much as you are listening. I've had that problem before because I'm used to listening more than reading, thanks to the many years of watching Anime, and being into Japanese culture for more than a decade.

If you browse a website often, play a video game that you can change your region and switch the langue to Japanese, and learn how to write, I recommend doing so. Those is the best method I can think of if you're outside of Japan to get characters stuck in your head. It shouldn't take no more than a week or two depending how much you can, or want to soak in.

>>19624085

>>19623871
>Posting on DJT before you learned core 20K
Oh no, you can now never properly know Japanese

>>19623935
Thing is, this is my way of learning new vocab.

>>19624055
I'm ESL, and I can't remember for the life of me how I did it back when I started reading books in English. I remember some words which I assumed the meaning of for so long and eventually finding out what it actually means later. I would like to avoid that as much as possible.

How should I go about learning how to write, at least casually? Lang-8?

While I can understand enough to read VN-tier text, my understanding of grammar is way too imprecise to write anything other than an awkward sentence with the help of weblio and yourei. And I haven't seen a place where you could get explanations as well as corrections.

>>19624139
>posting on DJT
Oh no, you can't learn niponese now

>>19624166

どくしょする

なにがいいかな

>>19624160
I'm also ESL, and to this day I keep finding out that I misunderstood some word or expression for decades. But back when I started, it probably helped that I was like still in grade school and that English and, in my case, Russian weren't all that different, compared to the gap between Indo-European languages and goddamn Japanese.

The biggest mistake I made in learning Japanese clearly was starting it in well into my twenties.

Is there something actually interesting in the Japanese part of youtube?
I tried googling, but all I got was mediocre humor and a girl famous for eating too much on camera.

>>19624229
There's nothing good about the western part of youtube either.

>>19624242
I politely disagree.

>>19624229
Is there anything interesting in any part of youtube?

Personally though what I watch from Japanese creators are mostly toy reviews and an occasional vtuber or two - most are boring, but sometimes there can be an interesting set of videos. I don't think Japan is any good at youtube despite even having their own nicovideo.

The right way to watch Japanese youtube is to consume ゆっくり実況.

>>19624261
You say you disagree, but the image agrees with me. He was so embarrassed by himself he quit for good and severed any connections to his shitty persona.

これよむー

おもしろいといいな
https://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/001581/files/55162_54760.html

Feels good to be able to conjugate and deconjugate verbs without any help.

はんぶんよんだ

きゅうかなだからよみにくいけど

いいほんだとおもう

あたしにも

よめないのでてくる

Ｎ１とっててもよめないとおもう

>>19623351
waifu2x is always handy retard-kun

なつこみ

たのしそう

Why stop at core2k? Wouldn't one have learned bulk of the frequent kanjis by 2k words thus making the rest of the 4K words, easier to learn?

Why bother with Core when you can mine from the very beginning?

>>19624516
the most common words are most likely to stick to the most commonly reused kanji and also learning new words does not get that much easier as you "learn kanji"

>>19624522
Doesn't it really? surely already knowing the reading of a word and the hint from individual kanji meanings would make recalling a newly learned word, faster

>Today we learn the word いつでも with a black man giving you a handshake

これは

わからないとおもう

>>19624533
Not him, but If you are referring to compound Kanji, it varies. For example, If you take the word 電 (Electricity) and add 話 (to speak) you can guess translation without second guessing and make it seem like second nature. some are that simple.

>>19623172
I can tell these apart. Thanks James.

>>19624591
I'm not talking about guessing words you haven't seen before. rather, remembering the newly learned ones. take 左右 for example. The meaning is obvious to someone who has completed core2k, the only new information one has to learn about this particular word is the reading, which is much easier than learning reading, meaning and recognition for other new words which contains new kanji. I'm only up to 2.5k words so far, but many of the 2k+ words have been like this up until now.
I wonder why djt recommends dropping core at 2k if the rest of the way to 6k is easier than the first 2k part? (unless it's really not)

>>19624623
because the general quality of core as a word list is very bad

>>19624623
It's useless, even in the English language. Stick with the most commonly used and you''ll be fine.

天清淨地清淨。内外清淨六根清淨。より人は。今ぞ寄りくる長濱の。蘆毛の駒に手綱ゆりかけ

If you can't read the following you can't learn japanese.

>reading before you can read
lmao good job on crippling yourself permanently

Did anyone manage to backup their Aedict3 apk before he switched to a subscription model? I'm not paying monthly for something I already paid for...

>>19622829
Don't listen to any of these retards (>>19622833, >>19622849, >>19622909) who obviously don't live in Japan or haven't lived there for a period of time longer than a year. Knowing 左 starts from the horizontal line and 右 from the vertical line does NOTHING for you as a twenty something guy just wanting to learn as an English speaker. Learning how to write symmetrical kanji like 淵 or intricate kanji like 鬱 or 鍵 don't mean shit for foreigners because you aren't learning this shit from the age of five like gook children are. Just learn kanji, both to read and write from memory.

>>19624745
protip: writing 左 and 右 in the wrong direction, if you actually end up handwriting them for some reason, is actually terrible

>>19624712
それはわかる

どこにもむずかしいところはないよ

>reading to improve vocabulary
>improving vocabulary to be better in conversations
memes aside, it's as if elitists in this thread cannot comprehend that there may be life outside of just anime porn, lewd vns, and doujins

>>19624731
Got a cracked version that I've been using. let me know if it works
https://mega.nz/#!HksxCZaZ!kj-_B21YNH4Of96S_8Xbb4llCbwQDwZyM7QZm4g-x3k

>>19624763
Shut up, idiot.

>>19624799
you did both of them wrong because they're not slanted がんばって

>>19624789
Thanks, will check in a bit.

>>19624806
Thanks for the take mate, only you're wrong. Both were written correctly.

Keep starting all of your sentences with 私は and ending all of them with です though, maybe one day you wont sound like a fucking robot who memorized genki 1-3 you lanky retard.

>>19624826
if you don't know what i'm referring to when i say they're not slanted then you need to study calligraphy lmao

The fun part is he got the stroke lengths wrong on purpose to try to trick you, but it didn't work, so he got mad.

yeah that was obvious

>>19624835
Copying out someone's handwriting is like connecting the strokes in き and さ because computer fonts do it. As long as its readable, no one cares.

>>19624841
You sound like the kind of person that thinks カ and 力 are distinguishable because, on a computer, the latter is a little bigger. Typical of the average weeaboo in these threads that "learns" watered-down trash, spoonfed online from bullshit LEARN JAPANESE NOW websites. Pro-tip, they are actually written identically, but when making a font, why not go the extra step and make them seem different? Plenty of times genuine handwriting makes 士 and 土 look the same, but assuming you arent a drooling retard you can tell which is which from context.

Here's a new kanji for you, 文脈, add that to your anki deck. Go ahead, hover your mouse over it, and let rikai____ read it for you.

>>19624858
I know more Japanese than you.

>>19624862
I REALLY doubt that.

>>19624862
>>19624864
I know less than either of you.

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>>19624867
I know none.

>>19624864
この場から通じてないこと多いし、何も出来ずに頑張ったらいい

>>19624799
Check out this letter by my gf if you want to understand what's wrong with your robotic handwriting.

>>19624874
This is the first time I have seen this image posted and not cringed. Good job.

みんななかよくなって。けんかしないでね。

>>19624874
what this letter say??

>>19624883
it means roughly わたしはゲイ

炬
燵

とてもキュートです

>>19624883
初めての手紙だね
日本語読めないと思うけど手紙を書くよ
もうすぐで学校終わって離れちゃうけど、大好きな気持ちは絶対に変わらないよ
２週間後にお互いに国に戻って会えなけど
毎日メッセージとか電話をしようね
あなたに出会えて幸せです
愛してるよ～

Is Imabi good?

>>19622794
I meet a native Japanese woman every so often for conversation practice and she tells me that when one of her friends など writes her in pure kana, reading it is actually a pain in the ass.

>>19624916
it contains useful information that does not exist in other resources
unfortunately, that is the highest praise i can give it

>>19624873
>何も出来ずに
何もできないなら*
出来る is commonly written with kana only, and ずに isn't followed by conditional (ら) to mean "if you can't ~ , then you should ~ .

>頑張ったらいい
頑張った方がいい*
Conditonal is just awkward here because you are trying to express an opinion, and, again, doesn't follow ずに.

You wouldn't know any of this because anime and hentai doesn't explain it. You learn this by speaking to actual Japanese people.

>>19624874
This literally proves nothing as it pertains to handwriting, other than that you are very soon going to be broke.

>>19624877
This loser posts that pathetic crap often?

>>19624925
Your corrections completely change the meaning of that post.

You don't know Japanese.

>>19624927
Say what you meant in English, and I will translate it properly. Because that is what I have experience doing. You are a fucking idiot.

>>19624934
If you think that たら is a conditional here, or that it can't follow ずに, I don't want you interpreting anything. You can go ahead and translate this post into Japanese if you just want to show off though!

>>19624874
>2

to think I was being brought down by people like these >>19624873 a year ago when I was merely starting to learn

>>19622280
Thanks Jamal I've learned more from you alone from memes than most of my teachers. I'm going to stop helping people and tell them what they want to hear.

>>19624953
samefagging
deplorable
ず(に)...たらいい is idiomatic

>>19624937
You have already shown me you are conceited moron who has zero experience with conversational Japanese. Please go back to /h/ and empty your prostate to traps and shota, you probably know enough hiraganis and kangeez to play whatever garbage h-game you started with.

>>19624957
I haven't even replied to you yet, relax.

>>19624938
Expected a 二?

>>19624962
That's cool and all but posturing about being above otaku culture on the otaku culture board doesn't mean you know Japanese.

>>19624962
>I haven't even replied to you yet, relax.
ok
>>19624925
>>何も出来ずに
>何もできないなら*
congrats you made it bad
>>頑張ったらいい
>頑張った方がいい
these do not mean the same thing and anon wasn't trying to express the latter

>>19624967
You do not speak Japanese. You have never spoken to a Japanese person. Your understanding of the language is a crippled, rigid mess thanks to genki and anime.

Kill yourself, you don't speak Japanese, and you will NEVER be able to read a newspaper.

guys shut up

and play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9rv_cVvUSU

>>19624983
I can read newspapers completely fine. Because I know Japanese.

>>19624957
>idiomatic
you mean idiotic

>>19622345
Yea schizo dont make any sense at all. They dont need mental support either since us smart people cant convince them of anything.

>>19624962
Dude, get a trip please, I thoroughly enjoy your キャラ.

>>19624990
you don't know japanese

>>19624986
>lying on 4chan
Appreciate the input. A rope is waiting for you somewhere.

>>19622323
All fields cant be refuted by laymen. You are smart anon.

Sometimes I get into extended bouts where I accuse people of not knowing Japanese even though I genuinely do not know any Japanese.

I know japknees too
Can I join secret club?

>>19625003
Because you can't accept that when you tried to floss and type in your fuckawful >>19624873 "japanese" you couldn't just close the tab and go do something or swallow your misplaced pride and say "Ah, yeah, you're right, I fucked up. My bad."

A person of your character lacks the discipline to learn anything, let alone a language.

>>19624998
嘘ついてない。新聞や雑誌記事など何の苦もなく読める。
>>19625012
日本語でおk

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>>19624981
>何も出来ずに
wouldn't that have been 何もせずに ? why use the potential form?

>>19624862
>>19624873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weqgNHa6X4E

>>19625033
it was part of an assertion that anon is incapable but trying his hardest

>>19625012
No dude I can't even comprehend the Japanese in that post, let alone type it. I know NOTHING but there have been a couple times where I've gotten into back and forths with people on DJT, accusing them of not knowing Japanese. But it's hard for them to prove that I'm the one who doesn't know any because I can pretend that I'm too stubborn to prove that I know anything, instead of just incompetent.

>>19625046
I wish the admins would frame that post and use it as a banner.

你们真的都是臭白狗。学日本话但皮肤白。回去美国说你的臭语言就行了吧。它妈的!!!

>>19625054
Ching Chong

>>19625026
You don't need 何の there.

>>19625033
You can't have せず (saying "don't do anything") and then the suggestion to 頑張る(saying to "do something") right after because it sounds awkward.

>>19625046
>>19625053
You are embarrassing your anonymous self.

>>19625054
t'ais toi, espéce de merde chinois

>>19625081
this: 何の苦もなく is an idiomatic expression dumbass

>>19625081
>You can't have せず (saying "don't do anything") and then the suggestion to 頑張る(saying to "do something") right after
Yes you can.
>because it sounds awkward.
To you. Because your Japanese sucks.

>>19625088
You already used that one here >>19624957
bud. Your lack of understanding of fundamental grammar can't be excused with "its an idiom/expression."

>>19625096
Thanks for the opinion.

>>19625105
https://www.google.com/search?q="何の苦もなく"
this really isn't hard
if you actually have the will to complain about the 何の there you're either really fucking incoherent right now or you just don't know japanese

哇白狗真会叫!好可爱啊!

This schizo is too annoying for me, someone else please start responding to him in honeypot Japanese instead.

>>19625054
說得好小子

>>19625081
我看不起你

>>19625113
Four out of five examples from your own google search terms show that 何の isn't used, almost as if...like I said in my post (>>19625081
)...you don't...need it there...Huh...

>>19625136
you forgot the quotes bro

>>19625142
might as well call them goalposts instead of quotes

>>19625128
我的好友

>>19625152
thankfully they have been fixed in place this entire time

>>19624874
cute

>>19625136
You don't need "from your own google search terms" there.

>>19625153
我的忍者

>>19624166
Nobody even knows English.

if i want a quick refresher on grammar in english should i go through tae kim or VGJ? i haven't used either of them and i don't want to go back to genki and open up old wounds

>>19625285
I don't think either one of those teaches English grammar.

>>19625295
yeah that's worded poorly. a refresher on japanese grammar that uses english to explain the pattern meanings

>>19625316
Any guide will work. You wont learn it without reading Japanese.

What's the first thing that comes to mind when you see this?

>>19625339
地獄

>>19625339
a chihuahua having to carefully choose the right words to get initiated into the wild pack of dog's prison gang.

thanks heisig

>>19625339
時刻 because I constantly confused the readings of 時刻 and 地獄 for months and the only way I could fix it was to turn them into the same word and recall both readings at once until exposure fixed it.

>>19625339
djt

>>19624559
Consider not reading old Japanese then.

>>19625352
>to get initiated
Whatever that means.

>>19625339
言う

>>19625339
I think about some wolfs trying to restrain dogs in a PRISON by using words
wow so happy I did rtk this knowledge is so useful

How to check the total number of cards in an anki deck?

>>19625386
wolves*

>>19625394
lift the seat

>>19625394
By not doing anki.

>>19625394
Pie charts in Stats

>>19625412
>>19625421
Epic

>>19624873
僕は日本語がまだ苦手ですけど何TheFuckを読んだばかりなの？

>>19625394
The stats page you get to by clicking the bar graph icon.

陸睦勢熱陵

Fucking rice seedlings. The stories suck for these so I have trouble remembering them.

>>19625406
I don't know english....

>>19625444
>>19625447
Thanks

>>19625452
Yep rtk is improving your English like college and high school Spanish does. I did not know what a sortie was until I did rtk.

>>19625447
>ばかり
Actually would つい読んだ or something like that be better here to express that you just read something?

>>19625450
read more japanese and you'll see them and it will help you remember them

>>19625447
>>19625472
youre just fucked bro but i have nothing but the best wishes for your nihongo career

>>19625450
>陸睦勢熱陵
Check Koohii for good ideas for these. For example you can make some of these components more memorable.

Dirt+Human legs+Dirt = Goomba.
Dirt+Human legs+Walking legs = Toad
Dirt+Human legs+Dirt+Rotund/fat = Mario

>>19625447
餌だよ
よく効くから

>>19625487
Fuck I guess I'll just have to spend 10 minutes writing a post on lang-8 to advance my Japanese since I, for one, am not ashamed that my Japanese is not perfect or even good yet.

>There are people here right now that are afraid to do anything in Japanese out of fear of failure.

>>19625502
why waste time making shitty totally awkward and incorrect output when you can just input perfectly natural japanese input made by japanese people? are you retarded?

>>19625515
>Why try to use the language for one of your goals before you've completely mastered the language?

Gee I wonder. Hey maybe you should go slap every 2 year old you see and tell them to do the same thing with the native language they're trying to figure out, I'm sure you'll be the love of the neighborhood.

>>19625502
just copy everything from google like the cool kids

Reminder that if you try to write Japanese before knowing Japanese you have crippled yourself for life.

>>19625502
look ill give you the real tip

what you want is short utterances that you know are right that you can play around with while still having them make sense

then you can even string a couple of them together to almost sound coherent

>>19625534
何だって
そんなもんあるか
いや信じられない
まさかこんな想像できなかった
言う前に考えるべきこと…か

>>19625531
if your goal is to speak japanese well then you should be inputting to the point where you don't have to ask stupid questions like you're doing here because you'll have heard certain things so many times that you have no doubt about its use. instead you're sitting around in a shitty mud puddle trying to invent your own japanese and probably most likely you are going to make terrible habits that will be hard to break since japanese people won't correct you if they intuit what you mean even if it's incorrect. either way have fun i guess

>>19625530
何の苦もなくやってのける

>>19625553
i said a couple dude relax youre fuckin drunk

note that such habits are only hard to break because they're hard to notice

>>19625555
Hey man you're English is pretty shit to be honest, I think you should stop posting until you master it. You're missing capitalization, commas, and everything everywhere.

yea but there's a difference between learning the correct way to output a language but being lazy, and outputting incorrectly from day 1 and inculcating habits that are hard to break, and were pointless to build in the first place

>>19625557
酔っ払った…この闇の与えられた力に！

>>19624925
Terrible post. The fact that you then argued about being right because you know Japanese is sad. I don't think someone would do this to troll either.

>>19625561
i have mastered english. people don't speak in spaces and periods capitalization and commas. i'm having a conversation on an anonymous image board, not writing an essay for school. how's the lang-8 corrections going? are you fluent yet?

>>19625583
>i have mastered english.
No, you haven't.

>>19625530
Yea auto translated visual novels are fine. You dont need to learn Japanese to read loli vns.

>>19625578
dude let us move on from that unpleasant moment i dont wanna cringe anymore

>>19625589
the post you're responding to has literally nothing to do with machien translation

>>19625588
No one knows any language.

>>19625575
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpucfEQ9k8c

Listen up shmucks, or 童貞 fucks
While playin’ round yo blind-man suck,
Tryin’a bluff all deze niggers ‘round
With your mouth full o’ ザメン smells.
This goy’s in da house to tell you deze
That not one single o’ ya can learn Japanese,
N’ da more you try, more bound to fail
Faster than tryin’ ta get ching-chong tail,
Or scorin’ blows from 2d biatches
Or squirtin’ out your 援助 wishes
Cuz when yo try 交際 yer gonna die
Flip-flappin & gabbin’ yer カナ lies.
Not a single wunna ya fucks ever learns
That moonspeak fuckas takes months to learn,
And the 月s pass without progress
Cuz y’all can’t leave da /jp/ nest
Can’t swim yer own, too 引きこもり
Baskin’ in your own ignorant glory
While Anki’s waiting & cards are stalled,
Too much arguing ‘bout who’s getting blue-balled
Or who knows what, or だれがいい
When all you bitches are just 悪い,
Can’t rhyme, can’t pun, can’t even talk shit,
But whenフェラ’s done – can’t even spit,
Mouth’s too white for enunciation,
Skin’s too white for 日本語-nation,
Hand’s too white from the sensation
Of your dick enacting slick masturbation.
オナニーイズム’s the only choice, ya Fraud,
Cuz Japanese knowledge’s what NONE OF YA GOT.

>>19625588
nice opinion. unfortunately you're wrong just like your attempt at making a basic japanese sentence

>>19625597
i'm upset that your response doesn't actually have to do with how fucked up my post is

>>19625593
Why not? If he is afraid to make a mistake on lang 8. Why wouldn't he just use google translate?

>you're English

>>19625609
are you trolling

>>19625595
Yeah but I shouldn't have to read your post twice just to understand what the fuck you're trying to say if you "mastered" English.

My point stands firm, if you think nobody should attempt to speak before they're fully competent then go tell every kid below 3 to go fuck off. Do I have to speak or write before being competent? No. Can I? Yes, and there's nothing your bitching is going to do to stop me. And let me make this clear: You are bitching.

>>19625598
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Hh0yhvGCA

>>19625604
why do you think i linked that

it really is like dealing with drunk ppl

>>19625612
>>19625616
In the south that is mastery.

>>19625616
Children generally speak correctly from the start.

>>19625616
it's not my problem if you can't understand english. maybe you could understand it if you inputted more english. it seems like you're making the same mistake with japanese by trying to speak before you understand. you don't need to totally understand the language before you ouput, but you can listen and read for even a thousand hours which will prevent you from making god awful sentences like what you're doing right now.

>>19625636
>Children generally speak correctly from the start.
I bet you actually believe this.

>>19625636
And they never use anki either.

>>19625636
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVLq9IZGl_c

>>19625638
He thinks we are one person. There is no hope for him. Let him do what he wants.

think back to your childhood

you know last week

and think about all the words that you read with the wrong pronunciation because in your head theres no one there watching out for you to keep from making foolish mistakes

in japanese as well no one can hear you think

so if youre thinkin wrong youre gonna keep thinkin wrong

but its still possible and maybe even preferrable to have fun with your hentai games and light novellas with your made up japango

>Many people stop the Core2K/6K deck after reaching 2000 words; partly because the first 2000 words (Core2K) are a lot more common than the rest

Really? I'm at 1500 and all I've learn was nothing but workplace terminology - "学校", "大学", "結婚", "仕事", "子供", "離婚", "自殺"....
I think I still haven't even seen 怖い yet.
If the other 4000 words are even less common than that, would I just be wasting time?

>>19625665
No one learns Japanese. But many do know Japanese.

>>19625665
in japanese no one can hear you scream with the wrong pitch accent

>>19625638
>>19625654
All I'm hearing from you both right now, honest to God, is:
>I'm so angry and upset right now that someone does something in a way that I don't. Why can't everyone be like me? People shouldn't try things they aren't sure they'll be good at. Oh my God I am so upset that someone is attempting to write Japanese without knowing fully what he is saying and how to say it. Holy shit this is making me so angry. I need to vent my own inabilities out on him because his mistakes are out in the open and at least mine aren't. Oh my fucking God why isn't everyone just like me? You shouldn't fucking talk until you're already really good holy shit fuck fuck. I am so mad right now, fuck.

>>19625675
>離婚
this is the only word here that doesn't belong in the top 2k
possibly 結婚 but that depends on how much your favorite manga talks about getting ripped into kekkon
>怖い
this one does

>>19625693
The words I mentioned were just my attempt at humor...

>>19625686
You reee real good right there. Now let me ask ya. Do you know Japanese?

>>19625675
those are all incredibly common words that you hear every day. the thing is core2k is built from newspapers so the vocabulary is based off what you would read in a newspaper and not a slice of life anime. you're wasting your time learning words out of context, but the words still need to be learned eventually

>>19625675
trust me youre wasting your time go play with real nihongo instead

and dont come back until the suns gone down

>>19625725
Eroge all day every day. Before djt was even thought of.

>>19625711
I know some, obviously I don't know much as proof by the sentence I put which I admit wasn't good because I'm not afraid and insecure about what I can and can't do in the language unlike you.

Listen, you had a few choices:
A) Help me and correct my sentence, which you had no obligation to do but it WAS an option you had.
B) Ignore my sentence
C) Say my sentence was garbage and call me a retard for it

Picking C was a clear indicator that you house some major insecurities, otherwise you would have felt no need to immediately put someone else down.

>>19625737
We are saying your learning method is garbage.

>>19625749
Writing is not a learning method, it is a practice method and you might be an idiot for thinking otherwise.

>>19625737
I dont want you to learn Japanese. I get called an autist for helping someone. Give up. No one ever learns Japanese even if they know it.

>>19625764
>Calling someone retarded is helping them
>>19625749
>Calling someone retarded is only saying their learning method is bad

Nice, nice.

>>19625757
Practice wont help you learn Japanese.

>>19625757
Production is not practice.

>>19625774
Never called you retarded. You are projecting buddy.

>>19625778
Does writing a sentence spontaneously and magically make you learn new words and grammar structures? Production in itself is nothing but practice.

>>19625775
Tell that to 3 years olds learning their native language. Lots of what your side is saying is utter garbage because it goes against how kids actually figure out their first language and you know it.

>>19625792
see
>>19625515
Even if this wasn't you, which I really don't care if it is, you're intentionally siding with them.

>>19625737
this isn't a board to teach you japanese and praise your inability, that's what reddit is for. you did receive some real advice that would help you and that's to listen to and read more japanese before you try to make basic sentences and expressions, because you should not ever have to make so many mistakes in a single sentence. i hope you learn japanese and that your corrections are useful on lang-8 and i'm sorry if you thought i was mad at you. i just want to see you own but you're still just a noob you know?

You guys are not seriously "learning" Japanese by flipping through premade flashcards with pictures of western people.

i'm seriously learning japanese by recalling kanji based on stories

>>19625802
Kids dont practice Japanese. Their otosan reads them books. When they are older they play pokemans. Did you need a teacher to help you play pokemon?

i dont think anyone thinks they are learning japanese from flash cards

the problem is they arent learning japanese outside of the flashcards so they are reinforcing effectively nothing but a memory game

>>19625806
I don't think you're mad at me, I think you're just being a dickhead for calling me retarded and generally just putting me down. But hey,
>this isn't a board to teach you Japanese, this is a board to put you down immediately for making any mistake. this isn't leddit haha amirite guyz? gotta bring up leddit whenever someone acts in a way teh general doesnt like huh? gotta hit em with the "u belong in leddit" line at least once for good measure

>>19625833
Like Steve says they are too afraid to leave the beginner material.

>>19625838
jesus dude. i hope you've been listening to natural japanese the entire time you've been posting here otherwise you're not making any progress are you?

>>19625838
people try to holler mess at me all the time dude

but scum gang chew em up ninja i dont fuck witcha

>>19625858
No he is learning Japanese by consuming English in English media.

>>19625858
I live in Japan, I listen to natural Japanese all day.

Here's a life tip for you: Yes, this is not leddit. No, you're not required to help anyone at any time whenever they ask a question. People have the right to ask a question, you have the right to not answer. You also have the right to be a shitstain but having the right doesn't magically make you an ok person still. Nope, being a shitstain means you're a shitstain no matter where you go and no matter what the culture is like. I hope this behavior of yours isn't a pattern in the rest of your life otherwise you're doomed.

Also leddit's Japanese board sucks. Been there done that, what seems like 99% of them still RTK drone as a primary learning material.

>>19625869
I think I get it now. Smart people are incapable of learning Japanese. If meme rapping blacks can do it most people can.

>>19625902
this is truly ignorant because most of those "meme rapping blacks" all have japanese connection that facilitated them knowing japanese

anyone can learn japanese but its only those that choose to do so and make that choice continuously every day that do so

>>19625888
whatever man, you sound like a huge baby who cries the moment anyone doesn't praise your amazing nihongo abilities. good luck learning japanese i hope you become fluent one day.

>>19625923
whatever man, you sound like a huge manchild who calls people retarded the moment anyone makes any kind of mistake in their obviously low nihongo abilities. good luck becoming a decent human being one day.

>>19625922
No is agree I am a meme rapping black and I know English.

>>19625939
this is like ugly trans freakshow people who complain that its society that needs to put up with their ugly retarded ass bein in everyones faces and being disruptive when in reality its them literally asking for punishment

apologies to the people who are trans or w/e that just try to live normal and arent cross dressing fetishists running amok while demanding everyone put up with it

>>19625975
I wrote something in a foreign language, brought attention to it myself as being blatantly incorrect, and asked if another option was better. I was not "in people's face", it was 2 posts and then obviously I would have stopped as there was nothing else to say. In fact I started googling possible grammar explanations silently under the assumption I would get no help but if I did it would be appreciated.

Then I got a bunch of kids get legitimately upset that someone dared be imperfect and call me a retard.

Was I expecting, DEMANDING, help? Fuck no. Would help have been appreciated? Fuck yeah, but it wasn't necessary.

Does that mean you have to be so black-and-white about it? "Hm... I can either help this person OR I can insult them. Well, I don't really feel like helping so I guess it's option B!" Because apparently it's impossible to ignore a question you don't feel like answering.

There's an obvious difference between asking people to pander me by either praising me or saying nothing, and getting upset when people go out of their way to insult you when it clearly wasn't necessary. I'm sorry you can't understand this difference, I really am. Not sorry for you, of course, but for everyone who has to deal with you.

dude you're trying way too hard to defend yourself from asshole trolls

>>19626018
look at how much of this bullshit you just shoved in my face that i didnt read

これはペンです

おれはゲイです

>>19626018
We wouldn't let an uneducated 5th grader teach us calculus either. At least I wouldn't.

>>19626038
Look how much I don't care and will continue to post in Japanese when I feel like it while knowing full well that it's not good Japanese.

>>19626091
If you take any Japanese on here as "educational" then you're actually stupid. You should never take anything in an learning community as actual Japanese no matter how good or bad the person seems. I'm sorry if you were actually retarded enough to look at my first post, then my second which openly said my first was bad, and thought it was a learning experience for your Japanese.

maths for fuckin nerds anyway

my 4 function calculator got me this far

>>19626109
And unless you are programming or something you don't even need that.

>>19626106
dude youre fuckin free to do whatever you want

but everyone else is free to feel and say whatever they want about it too

dont like it dont act a fool period

can all you faggots arguing just quit djt and not come back?

nah dude this is 社会101 for the djt its important

>>19626135
Then how would we learn Japanese? U new brah?

>>19626135
Reddit might be more your style senpai. They have a Japanese learning reddit too.

>>19626168
maybe by arguing about japanese learning techniques instead of arguing about your nihongo-peens

Dubs gets a free 30-minute session on Skype with me.

>>19626194
who the fuck are you?

>>19626194
how much are u paying tho

>>19626182

readthis>>19626174
You will not be missed.

>>19626194
Do a live stream I will watch it. You will be paid in views.

>>19623668
No, manga isn't reading.

Can someone upload all Maatts patreon videos to mega

>>19626324
this honestly. but they're probably just unlisted so copy paste all the URLs to a pastebin or something. post a video of him speaking with natives.

i know there's a mattdrone somewhere here.

Haven't been here in a while
Anyone still around from the time sakurafag sperged out and copy pasted hundreds of old posts from the archives?
I don't know about you guys but I have successfully learned Japanese

>>19626346
If you think the sakurafag actually had to copy and past old posts... I'm sorry.

>>19626324
why do you want to see them? the only videos that are useful from him are the ones showing you how to use epwing dictionaries and making anki cards. everything else is just nonsense like meditation and academic babble about language acquisition that won't help you learn japanese. have you read most of the ajatt website? it has pretty much everything you need in the form of a japanese learning algorithm that you can easily implement

>>19626359
Surely you're not making the proven mistake of assuming he had a bot do it for him

>>19626375
No. Anyone with a functional brain could say the bs he was spewing. Sjws don't need to copy paste or use bots either.

>>19626346
キミの実力

わたしに見せてくれないかな

>>19626388
ワタシハテレビヲタベマス

i cant read all katakana dude it looks like a car accident with all those sharp jagged edges

>>19626388
Considering he said that he doesn't know Japanese. He didn't hide it.

>>19626410
Naw man katakana is Japanese. I don't believe you know Japanese. I have lost my faith in you and your guide. I am now going to anki and rtk it up.

dont self harm even ironically

rtk has taught me more english than japanese

>>19626446
Might even do core 10k before I even attempt to read Yotsuba. I want to know Japanese before I read Japanese.
>>19626461
smirk

>>19626467
What the fuck is a sortie?

>>19626461
I would never do that shit again. I have tried it. It was whack as hell.

>>19626467
Isn't it "water"? Wtf is grains of rice. What is this　水 in rtk語?

>>19626494
Water has 3 strokes, grains of rice has 4

>>19626494
heisig didn't know japanese when he made rtk so there are a lot of mistakes in it. it's all temporary english scaffolding though. it doesn't matter if you overwrite it with japanese later

>>19626468
Don't attempt it it's not possible.

>>19626494
Language learning in college and high school is required because it helps improve your native language. This is why they don't care if you learn the target language. My college spanish professor told our class this. Another spanish teacher made and told us to watch spanish tv. There are good teachers in college.

>>19626511
Oh I know because I have tried it and I definitely don't know Japanese. But I can read visual novels and light novels with yomichan and tae kim.

>>19626382
But
they were the exact same posts

>>19626388
オイオイオイ
オマエまさか、偽物ではなく、真実の、昔の、アノjamalかよ？
いやしかし、疑問だな。このスレのどこにも「爆笑」ないじゃん
こんなjamalしらないぞ？俺

What is this 米 in rtk語?

>>19626544
http://ziggr.com/heisig/

>>19626420
who are you quoting

>>19626531
If he lurked the board like a good 4channer is supposed to he would know. And he himself said that he was on 4chan before djt was even started. He even said the jp meme of eroge all day everyday. I find it hard to believe you can even copy paste that since you both have to have know it was important and originally 4chan didn't have archives at all. Archives is a relatively new thing in the first place. I think even when djt was on /a/ there weren't any official archives. Which meant the mentally ill anon had to have some knowledge. And was smart enough to know that 4chan had 3rd party archives and find the memes that probably don't exist in 2018. Its just hard for me to believe if he was truly mentally ill and not just trolling.

>>19626544
kanji don't have key words but key words have kanji attached to them. that's why people fuck up their learning by learning kanji -> keyword. it's supposed to be kanji -> japanese

>>19626554
>I thought that was only for greentext

I did leave jp for awhile for /djt/ threads until they moved them to /int/ and /jp/

>>19626572
>And was smart enough to know that 4chan had 3rd party archives
Wish you said that earlier in your post so I could've stopped reading sooner

>>19626711
Then him being mentally ill doesn't mater.

>>19624799

My man using a boogie board, surprised they're not more popular with RTK people

>>19626728
paper > memes

has anyone seen 箋 like it is on the left? i've only seen it in print like it is on the right

Is は being pronouced as わ just to fuck with gaijins?

>>19626766

New and traditional form friend

>>19623692
What was it?
We could be right you know.

All of these kanji and Japanese people will laugh at you for using them too much.
Fucking riceshit, I'll write 綺麗 if I want to.

>>19623003
Yes, until you meet a character that shits all over the pattern.凸凹 are easy ones, 牽 is fun as well.

>>19626781
Even if he is right people are so jaded they would believe water is bad if a certain person told them.

>>19626346
Yeah, and same.

>>19626794
t. butthurt rtkiddie

>>19624175
人間失格よんだことある？
＊素人には厳しいかも

>>19624873
>この場から通じてないこと多いし、何も出来ずに頑張ったらいい
非流暢者はたまにこう言う
（まじで外国人っぽいっすよ）

Is eye pronounced like i pronounced like (d)ie pronounced like (d)ye pronounced like (h)igh pronounced like (sh)y just to fuck with gaijins?

It comes from some split of not using one kana for two different sounds, in which the grammar particle remained the same kana despite having the other sound because reasons, or something, google it.

>>19626494
As with a lot of the decisions he's made he probably did it that way because it's harder to remember the various versions of "water" that exist, whereas with rice you only need to remember 2 forms.

>>19626876
>>19626772

>>19626766
I stole a koohii story where they include the old component and the new one.

>自身のHP回復スキルのみ200%まで回復
>HP restoration skill(s) on self only up to 200% hp restores
Is this a proper interpretation? I'm not sure what exactly the のみ is modifying.

>>19626967
heals heal 200% hp, but only the self targeted ones

>is this a proper interpretation
nigga you didnt interpret shit, you replaced each word with its english equivalent and arranged them randomly

>>19626531
お久しぶりっす

元気そうっすね

だけどキミはもっと練習したほうがいいと思います

爆笑っすね

>>19626822
the only water in your house that is safe to drink is in your toilet

>>19626851
クラシックはよく知らないがこの作品は面白そう

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztiJi2D-TeU

>>19626967
cant you just interpret it normally

>>19626989
I trust jamal's word about toilet water more than Trump's because Trump is a big meanie patriarch.

>>19626967
i suggest you read the japanese and use the skill and see if it does what you thought it did

>>19626988
thank you, also I'm not black

>>19627008
I still need to use the skill ~600 more times before I can unlock the auto skill

if you play a lot of videogames menu shit is going to become real natural real fast

and then you play something like nobunagas ambition and youre just fucked!!!

>>19627034
We are all from africa brother.

>>19627056
Speak for yourself.

>>19627056
Good point, anon-shisho

fuck fuck fuck
jamal
fuck fuck jamal
yo jamal

>>19627085
Even brainlets can be teachers.

>>19624700

what deck is that?

>>19627095
whats your issue

>>19627106
leave my women alone

>>19627106
>>19627113
can't compete with women or japanese

>>19627124
fuck

>>19626989
アニメ語久しぶりですからそれだけで決定的な評価しないでくだっち！もっと、もっと訓練するから！

と、冗談ぬきの質問だ
お前が読んだ？人間失格
てっきりお前らしいのギャップと思うんでそうじゃなきゃ大がっかりなんだよ？

>>19626346
>sakura
Why are you letting him live in your head rent free?

>>19627143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4pTqpnqodQ#t=20

>>19626346
I was there, and I still can't speak Japanese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9t8H1fhNTU

Ok, so the Kongo-class were battlecruisers upgraded to fast battleships.
The subs I have for this say, "Kongo-class Battleship II -- A heavy cruiser," when it's labeling her a fast battleship in English onscreen, and calling a battleship a heavy cruiser makes no sense.
Then the subs have Hiei referring to herself as a Heavy Cruiser.
I can't find the words for "fast battleship" or "heavy cruiser" so I can't work this out for myself. What are they saying?

Are there any major pitfalls of remembering kanji only by the compounds that form words, and not by all of the kun-yomi and on-yomi readings that each individual kanji possesses?

It seems it would be much more efficient to remember kanji by how they interact with each other as one would encounter them, instead of just studying kanji and trying to remember all of their possible readings.

>>19627303
this is what happens when you feed the birds

>>19627190
I dunno man, because his crusade was memorable?

>>19627210
Oh no
Are you actually implying I spoke broken Japanese there after you hit me with the quadruple katagoto deluxe
Sorry jamal but I'll need you to either step it up or step down
このスレ見る限りほとんど日本語でしゃべらないなお前
昔はあんな立派な日本語マスターだったのに今ならそいつがただの初心者の誤解だったみたいって気がしてくる

オマエのすべてでかかってこいや

>>19627219
Should've read your daily muramasa man

>>19627326
There'll come a time where you'll feel like you don't actually know the kanji you know and should start from the beginning, but that'll pass after some more compelling content.

>>19627326
>Are there any major pitfalls of remembering kanji only by the compounds that form words, and not by all of the kun-yomi and on-yomi readings that each individual kanji possesses?
No...
>It seems it would be much more efficient to remember kanji by how they interact with each other as one would encounter them, instead of just studying kanji and trying to remember all of their possible readings.
It certainly seems that way for me too!

Who told you that remembering kanji readings was a good idea?