/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>19596279
dont forget https://nihongobyjamal.neocities.org/ the best website since taylor kim for learning japanese on the net

i still havent read it though

>>19596263
trust me youre gonna hear that a lot in the movie its a nice epic running gag

I'm relieved. I was afraid DJT wasn't coming back.

look at these melons

トイレ上に座りながらDJTを読んでいるのは楽しいんだなぁ〜

Anybody else feel Katakana is too minimal?

一番楽しいのはみんなのひどい日本語を読むこと

Whenever I boot up Anki I think of Aniki. I wonder if this is that path he'd want me to take.

>>19596393
I agree, katakana was a mistake and Ateji should still be the standard today.
亜米利加>>>アメリカ in terms of aesthetics.

抑

>tfw you upgraded your system and Anki stopped working because Anki is 糞ソフト
>tfw you have to downgrade the entire QT to 5.9 for it to work again
>tfw you installed Gentoo so downgrade takes 6 hours
As shit as Android is, at least I can use ankidroid in the meantime

>>19596149
nyaa.si, animebytes

>>19596427
maybe just use normal people computer operating systems

>>19596474
If I wanted to use normal people things I wouldn't learn Japanese to begin with

Could anyone tell me what's the kanji after の in this one? I'm having a hard time identifying the radicals.

>>19596493
Pleasure

>>19596399
>ひどい
お前が下手くそだな～

>>19596493

>>19596488
its normal for a growing boy to want to learn nihongo

>>19596450
どうありがとうございました

>>19596514
What are kun and on?

>>19596510
アイツが下手くそだったらお前はクソ以下っちゅうになるね

>>19596557
何いってんのかよくわからん

>>19596554
Yo-mees

>>19596427
>he doesn't use the qt4 anki with all deps prepackaged

>>19596586
だろうね

すっごくたのしいぜ

爆笑

せやな

>>19596662

Why not Rosetta Stone?

>>19596683
Not real Japanese

rosetta stone is prolly better than the shit people itt do

also yes rosetta stone is real japanese its more real than your flashcards by a long shot lol

wrong

then why aint yall know nihongo yet

as opposed to the rosetta stone doer who is in japan right now on a epic summer vaycay conversing with locals and having a great time

Tell em jack

>>19596697
Evidence?

i guarantee you will finish rosetta stone and feel better about your japanese than you would spending that time doing what youre doing now

thats how dire the shit is around here

Hell yeah jack show them how it is

>>19596797
were not on first name basis

you can call me mr meoff

>>19596773
The OP link is the only good thing about this place.

Is this good enough for "Sorry if I'm mistaken"

私が間違っていたら謝ります。

>>19596883
違います

>>19596514
Shit, I didn't notice the 心 radical.
Thanks a lot anon.

just say 間違ってごめんなさい

dont even leave any possibility of you not fucking up

私は日本人です。

>>19596948
Written as 日本人, read as ゲイ

>>19596948
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJMdxam09LQ

What's the point of rtk if I can just use core6k/kanji tree and brute force my memory. I'm doing like 2 hours a day plus 3-4 hours of listening and reading/reading grammar. Is writing really that important? I feel the stories are pretty pointless when you're going to remember it anyways after a few reps and the review the ones you miss. Once you know if you'll notice it in reading/listening. Even just spamming review cards when I'm bored improves my reading speed and connections.

>>19596990
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FdEOxKpk70#t=35

私は日本語です

わたしはガンダム

俺のチンコが立っています。

1センチだったものが2センチへ

>>19597066
ふざけないでよばかやろう！山になるおちんこだぜ！

>>19596298
That is a nice website, Jamal (although, it is best to replace the filthy 3D creatures in the background with hentai).

But the ultimate ... "redpill", if I may use the r/politics terminology here, is that everyone has to create his own plan, based on his own abilities and interests.
If you need /djt/ to tell you how to learn Japanese, you can't learn Japanese.

why is katakanenglish slowly taking over everything? like, i'm legit seeing katakanenglish being used instead of actual japanese words who could perfectly fit the sentence.

>>19597130
everyones plan has the same start and destination points because they all walk the same road to nihongo

its just colored by the other stupid choices they make along the way and what detours they get lost on

djt being one such detour

>>19597158
Nips are finally starting to realize that their writing system is garbage because of homonyms so they're slowly adopting foreign vocab. This is awesome. In another couple centuries kanji will be rendered obsolete.

>>19597189

ケツを食べなさい

>>19597158
>japanese
Chinese.

>>19597189
well i can see the benefits of this. but it's still weird, as if it stopped being japanese and started being some english hybrid. but i agree 100% on the homonym part.

>>19597189
Tell em johnny

>チョチョイとやったげルからさ
(the ル I'm simply taking to mean the character has a weird lilt in their voice)

What does ちょちょいと mean? I'm pretty sure it's a variation of ちょいと or ちょちょいのちょい, as either of those make sense in context, but I'd just like to nail down its definition before I put it into my cards. I can't find a definition on nip dictionary websites though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojk2vWThDQU

Put the language dictionary down. New vid from sensei Steve.

>>19597158
It's the exact same phenomenon behind kanjichinese taking over everything centuries before.

>>19597213
*アスをイートしなさい

>>19597233
This. This guy definitely knows what's up.

What's the difference between RTK3 edition 3 and edition 2? Edition 2 is 20 dollars cheaper than Edition 3.

What could he have updated it with that makes it worth the extra 20 dollars?

>>19597238
やべぇ！ペラペラ日本人らしいなんだよね！

>>19597233
oh, i see. yeah, come to think of it, it makes sense indeed... and i'm pretty happy about it because it makes learning easier

>>19597246
it's not worth the extra money, so just pirate it.

but IIRC, edition two has 1k kanji and edition three has 800 kanji, because 200 kanji were moved to RTK1 sixth edition because they were made into jouyou kanji back in 2010 or so.

>>19597251
What a coincidence, I thought the same my friend. Have's my humblest upvote.

>>19597226
steve is there something you wanna tell us

https://streamable.com/h3g6y

人生って生き地獄。。。

>>19597309
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtYTeAr1QWk#t=48

Doing Japanese things is so difficult. I'm doing Anki, listening, and reading almost every day, but I could be doing so much more. I waste my entire day watching stupid Youtube videos or browsing 4chan for hours. I think I am addicted to mindlessly wasting time.

>>19597456
Well while you're at it here's a pretty funny Youtube video to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5-R8oLenQ4&t=0s

oh nice its the panaka vid

>>19597456
When I invest hours of effort into something like Japanese I feel far better than when I don't. But I still often don't.

In the context that someone is reassuring someone after learning (or coming to conclusions) of their sad past, is there something better that 輝く might translate to? "Now you're shining brightly" seems off.

I've watched 35 episodes of Hikaru no Go in the past few days. The first 24 episodes I had Japanese subtitles on but now I'm going without any. I should really watch more addicting anime like this. Really easy to get hours of listening practice.

>私は人々の役に立ちたいと思っています。
>と思っています
Oh, come on! You're talking about yourself.

Hey guys, I'm a bit confuse
When I have free time I find myself wanting to do more anki reviews but the Anki page says reviewing more = diminishing returns?
What I thought of doing was studying the cards where I hit again that day, but as you can read on the Anki official pages they say that's bad. Is it true? What could I do to improve myself when I have free time?

djters are playing shogi while im playing igo

meanwhile im playing gungi

>>19597638
Watch anime

>>19597636
You though it was a meme?

>>19597638
Read a light novel.

I've always believed that finding compelling content was the key to learning Japanese, but right now I'm having a problem because the content is too compelling.

I watched the first 10-15 episodes of Eureka Seven without looking at the subs very much at all. Then 15-25 I started looking at the subs more, maybe 10% of them. Now in 25-40 I'm looking at the subs a lot. Some scenes I watch, then I read the sub file, then I rewatch while reading the subs, then sometimes I check the English subs if I can't understand something. I've gone through some scenes 10+ times. All these info dumps are killing me!

I really want to understand what is happening, so I have to keep reading the subs but it makes the whole experience much less relaxing.

>>19597638
Read you tard.

>>19597676
Just turn off the subs

>>19597735
They aren't on. I have them open in Firefox so I can use Rikaisama.

>>19597676
This is why the bulk of my anime listening practice are shows I've already watched. I'm not going to ruin a good show by only understanding 30% of what's being said, basically spoiling all the best scenes for the inevitable rewatch when I can understand more.

>>19597745
Have you considered doing something other than watching anime

>>19597756
I have seen it already, but it was 10 years ago. I'm also only watching anime I've seen already.

>>19597762
No. My goal is to be able watch anime, so why would I practice with something else?

>>19597791
Bobby my man, you're not gonna be able to watch anime in nippongo if you can't learn nippong in the first place, don't you understand?

>>19597676
id say just watch english subbed but it sucks cuz "translations" totally destroy all the a-ha moments and cross references that are vital for overall cohesion and conveyance

look at a show like beatless

gaijins hate it but its a really smart (to a teenager) show because the book is really smart (to a teenager) and so the show in its neutered glory forces you to pay a lot of attention to what it has time to give you

if you just watch it for the visual stimulation its probably awful which explained why gaijins thought it was bad

theres a lot of anime where this happens (see almost all of them)

>どのみち義務として世継ぎを産んで貰わないといけないし
>そもそも私の我慢で成り立っている社会ですからねー
>成り立っている社会
Does this mean "a functioning/viable society"? If not, I have no idea what this sentence means.

I think this RTK grind is paying out for me, learning new vocab is getting a lot easier and I can mentally visualize it then write it out with less strain than before

Feels wierd man

>go at 50 new cards a day
>been lazy for three days, barely learned shit, disabled new cards
>did 200 reviews today, pushed "Again" quite a few times
>True retention: 87.5%
How the fuck do some of you guys manage to get below 50%?
It seems impossible.

>>19597951
I got my lowest retention in a long time today at 83%. My due cards jumped from 146 today to 178 tomorrow. Fuck my ass.

>>19597993
よろこんで

>>19597950
i can visualize kanji i learned in rtk in my mind but i have to trace out the stroke order instead of seeing it as an instant picture recall... feels bad

Someone once told me that Ryukishi07 writes with a lot of weird, unnatural grammar patterns and even blatant grammatical errors.

I'm going to start reading Higurashi either way, but it would be helpful if someone could tell me to what extent this is true.

>>19597950
How is that weird? Did you actually believe the shitposters that RTK doesn't help with retention?

>>19597951
This, I feel like true retention floors your actual retention divided by 10 and puts a 9 in front of it.

>>19597879
すなわちdjtといっても実はわたしのかわいいeopマペットどもで成り立っている社会なのである

>>19598095
rk07 isnt a good writer and repeats himself a lot

dont worry and just do the shit you wanna do

Would お be used as a prefix in women’s names in the late 19th century? I’ve failed to find anything at all about お清 (きよ) and it only occurs to me now it might be a name.
Pic related has an impressive four page-long bibliography in the back. It’s really interesting, and such an incredible pain to make cards of

>>19598095
I don't think you need to worry about it. More than grammatical errors, it's just a lot of dumb stuff. The kind of dumb stuff you'll find in any amateur writing. I'll post a famous example from the most popular higurashi copy pasta (that people use to mock how bad R07's writing is).

>「……へへへ、そうだな。お前ほどの器なら日本の不正規戦部隊長なんてもったいないぜ…。 ＳＡＳでもデルタでもスペツナズでも、…どこでも最高の人材になれるだろうぜ。何しろ、」
>「はははは、あっははははははは！！！　ＳＡＳぅ？　デルタフォースぅ？ 下らないねぇ！　そんな退屈なところじゃあ、私を飼いならせやしないよ！！」

Due to the nature of the SAS, Delta Force, and the Spetsnaz, it's clear that R07 was just thinking about cool-sounding names of foreign military organizations and throwing them in without thinking about them or doing any research. Like how Spetsnaz is an umbrella term for special forces and not an actual individual unit. That's just the kind of writer R07 is. If you pay attention you'll see a lot of embarrassing, amateurish mistakes in the writing. But grammar errors? Well, no more so than any other amateur writer. Nothing to worry about.

>>19598188
that actually seems intentional dude

you know it sounds like something an idiot kid would say..

>>19598183
Yes. Her real name is 清 or 清-something like 清子.

>>19598095
>>19598188
I read both higurashi and umineko in japanese, they have some silly parts where he might use language like that but the rest is fine. As far as I noticed at least.
You shouldn't bother with stuff like that it's language practice either way.

>>19598201
The dude speaking is a 30-some year old military dude who's part of a semi-terrorist organization that has been involved in operations across the globe.

>>19598132
after looking at true retention's code i can confirm that this is not the case
>>19597951
true retention ignores relapses (cards you keep failing over and over in a single session)

>>19598247
yea its tomitake right

dont tell me you take him seriously

>>19598095
I’m currently reading higurashi and it's fine, whoever said that is probably a dunny kruggy.

What's a good name for grinding out some names? I'm getting to the point where I can guess some names i've never seen before and it's kind of fun to make guesses while watching movie credits but it's going to take years more at this pace to be able to read uncommon names consistently fluently

I guess I could make a celebrity deck like matt suggested or just find a list of names and look all of them up with a hover dictionary for an hour a day but idk. How did you learn names?

>>19598247
>>19598286
Spoilers?

>>19598298
next youre gonna be offended when i tell you nagisa dies

>>19597224
Are you sure you mean ちょちょいのちょい (a piece of cake), not ちょちょいのちょい*と*? If so, ちょちょいと means ちょいと. In case you didn't know, ちょちょいのちょい*と* means ちょいと too.

>>19598294
You will never be able to read names consistently. You can only memorize one or two of the most common nanori for each character. The Japanese themselves can't do any better than this either.

>貴様、誰だ？
Working on translating something and I'm not sure how to translate 貴様, the character is by no means a vulgar person so I have reservations with resorting to swear words.

>>19598415
Absolutely based.

>>19598294
names aren't important unless it's someone you know in real life. if you're reading a book they will give you the reading the first time the character is introduced. i just copy the reading down onto a book mark and refer to it if i can't recall it. i'm assuming you aren't totally fluent, so I would imagine it's better time spent learning more useful words than names

guess nows just as good a time as any to ask

wtf is a 出撃

wtf is 渋い

>>19598491
敵を攻撃するために自分の陣地を出ること。

>>19598505

Why can't actual Japanese people talk or write anything like my grammar studies? What is the point of studying grammar when it all goes out the window in actual interaction?

>>19598603
are you new here

>>19598612
No I'm just venting.

>>19598603
What are you talking about dude?

>>19598603
you make the mistake of studying grammar -> native expression. you should be experiencing native expression and then using a grammar resource to help elucidate the meaning of a pattern

>>19598603
see you in 4 years

>>19598603
so throw it out the window

>he studies grammar

I started a year ago and I've read 9 volumes of light novels, video games, lots of manga and countless episodes of raw anime, use monolingual dictionary and I still haven't finished tae kim, i just googled nani the fuck x means

>>19598298
Not really? The existence of a military guy isn't exactly spoilers.
Though in any case you should expect people to spoil you if you post about something like higurashi on 4chan.

>>19598746
to be fair you really don't actually need to finish tae kim

>>19598746
uwaaa~ umai desune

please dont talk about the really popular among gaijins dojin game from 2002 that apparently they still dont understand

Whats the best bilingual dictionary smartphone app?

momo

>>19598746
Is this actually possible? Can you learn to read well by just doing the basic Tae Kim guide?

>>19598906
yes

>>19598906
dude ったら and ながら are literally in advanced grammar on tae kim literally just google what it means when you encounter it in reading instead of going through 300 pages of dry grammar text that you'll forget by the time you ever see grammar point y in real usage

>>19598956
もう、あんたったらどうする…

>>19598746
>9 volumes of light novels
what exactly?

>>19598746
Good for you but manga isn't reading.

>tfw reading manga ftw

word order and grammar points still confuse me to the point i have no idea what's going on in any sentences longer than 3 words

prolly because you havent watched 10000 hours of anime and cant just take the nihongo for what it is without thinkin bout none of that shit

>>19599261
At least you realize that you're bad, now read a lot and fix the problem.

>>19599317
practice doesn't make perfect, it just makes poor understanding permanent.

poor understanding only stays permanent if you dont ever use the language in engaging other human beings and society at large

youll always be a gaijin no matter how many kanji you memorize and how many jugs you piss in until you leave your room and get your ass in the streets

werd up noobs

>>19598875
midori

Since when did Jamal advocate worthless shit like output instead of shit that will actually improve your comprehension like input?

the best kind of input is the kind tailored specifically to you

which you achieve by interacting with others

the fuck retarttttttted shit you on about lil ninja

Oh you're not Jamal. My bad.

>>19599366

>>19599366

You're not giving advice for learning language, you're just telling us to be normies.

リア充出てけ！

>jamal is whatever I like
wew

>>19599366
As if I give a shit about being a gaijin if all I do is consume weeb media to my liking

im the tang from evangelion

>>19599409
No what he said is retarded because you can get better input and more input elsewhere but I can tell by the way he types he's not Jamal.

anyway lets run this retard gauntlet

>>19599376
i didnt advocate output instead of input its not one or the other

>>19599408
you dont have to be a normie and you dont have to become native like at nihongo

its ok to just sort of get it and impress your friends with cheap party tricks

its what i do itt

>>19599414
i didnt mean it like that but its good not to give a fuck thats the first step to really learning nihongo

>>19599423
more input to feed your busted understanding isnt going to fix it

>>19599423
It's amazing how in the rare cases when he writes something helpful everybody disagrees.

why not learn chinese instead?

>>19599435

Are you missing IQ points?

Maybe you've spoken to enough drooling retards that you think all of us are inept at discerning what is comprehensible language from various sources of media.

We know that conversational language is full of dislocation and we omit content all the time. Its done in English, its done Japanese, its done in our god damn memes.

>>19599459
No good media. Chinese is pointless unless you're already in a position to do business there.

>>19599459
For what?
To read descriptions on cheap ass shit made in china? I'd rather consume otaku shit to my liking

皆さんのやる気なんて、なぜそんな中途半端なようなのだろうか。

>>19599463

>>19599408
野郎。てめえの口を黙れ

I don't think that's jamal, he would never advocate outputting before you're fluent

>>19599482

上手っすね！

>>19599466
I see
>>19599471
no need to be rude about it

>>19599481

you meme like a retard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCG00pnzSdM

me in this fucked up thread

>>19599510
you face like a retard

>>19599504
ごめんね。

what's the difference between に and を tae kim doesn't make sense?

>>19599520

>no u

>>19599525
highになる方法: weedを吸う

>>19599542
no ur face

>>19599525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KnXTtaRgXY&index=5&list=PLPSfPyOOcp3RpOSzr_HDZRTx9O1JE8XiJ　
watch this if you're still struggling then the を one, they're both pretty different.

>japanesepod101

>>19599556
I only ever used it for the kana and because Risa is cute. Tae Kim already made perfect sense.

and ninjas come up in my shit tellin me im a normie while people openly like 3d itt

>>19599551
this is what's confusing to me. I read that を can be used to indicate a location, or maybe more accurately that the location can be the object the verb is acting upon. like you're moving through a train station. but it seems like に can also be used for that purpose.

>>19599582
I departed the room.
I departed from the room.
I walked the streets.
I walked on the streets.
I ran the course.
I ran across the course.

10000 hours of anime subbed in your native language + read more

2 years, gonna make it lads
going to Shinjuku right now to sign a letter of acceptance for a programming job
we all gonna make it

i'm gonna make it lads

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFpjnQmjVHI

>>19599459
If China had content I would be interested in then I would, but I am not interested much in their culture or what they produce. The only time I indulged myself in Chinese content was in an Assassin's Creed game, and some kind of Chinese RPG I have on my Steam library.

>>19599556
I wanna marry Risa.

reminder to never take advice from anyone here
oh shit

>>19599582
There are specific particles that does similar variations of things. It's best not to overthink it. に and へ are also similar to each other, but I believe it depends on the context like any other. The problem with those types of particles is there are a bazillion usage out of each one, so it can be confusing to people to know which one is the correct.

>>19599608
Exactly. Just look for methods you think are good and go for them. Anyone telling you they're not good is either not even studying it or is rather telling you that instead of studying.

you can totally learn japanese from the internet watching a few random youtubers and pull some random information from a few different sites

>>19598626
I was talking about that the way Japanese actually speak is nothing like what you study in textbooks. It might as well be a completely different language. It shouldn't have been that hard to understand that from my post.

>>19599626
No you can't, stop lying to people.

>>19599630
no i was being sarcastic

>>19599608
agreed. maybe if they proved they were vetted by a native they could be taken seriously but no one from DJT has done that.

>>19599630

Look at this uncompromising dood. We get it, you got too much going on in your life, you acquired some form of adhd and like to shitpost on others because you suck at the language.

Its okay to let go Anon.

>>19599629
>I was talking about that the way Japanese actually speak is nothing like what you study in textbooks.

Oh, you mean like how English Books in Japan isn't like how English speakers talk? Golly. it's like the textbook they throw at us are a bare minimum of learning a language.

I'm starting to get a bit more into japanese native stuff and I always thought eroge were just basically porn with a story but holy shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5LVeYHMbD4&index=161=PLeC67YIuW2taRcIE9ztMkgOVARDwaj6WY I never knew that eroge could have soundtrack this good or girls this well drawn. This just makes me even more motivated to getb ack to studying, god I love this

>>19599650
That should be obvious to anyone, but it doesn't make it any less annoying. And I have seen some English textbooks in Japan, they could definitely be improved because they teach a lot of useless, or just plain incorrect shit. I assume the same is true about JP textbooks.

Where the fuck do I learn ksb? I've used 大辞林 for pitch but standard pitch accent has nothing in common with kansaiben

whats the difference between わ and が

Textbook language is never how people really talk. Even English textbooks for English speakers usually have stiff, unnatural example sentence. The function is to show how a certain grammar concept works, not to give a realistic example of conversation.

>>19599662
>わ
They're both the same and only わが is correct as a particle

俺は

こういう人間だ

https://youtu.be/SWbU7SpfUOg

there's no ni
there's becoming, going, giving

>>19599662
>わ
出来ない

>>19599673
what cant you do?

For some reason I always get this burning hatred for myself if I see someone better than me in jap so thats actually really useful to get motivated if I ever feel down, I dont think thats normal though

>>19599682

何でも出来ない外人だｗｗｗ

>>19599659
I do not disagree. The problem with current jp methods is they teach you how to be too polite and less casual. I am not in Japan, nor have I've read anything English learning-wise from there, but I am certain they go through the same shit we do. Even now, we're speaking informal. The content such as Genki, and other mediums teach you the bare minimum of the language that you would only hear in fictional content, that is another thing I've noticed.

If you want to talk more like a ACTUAL native speaker, your best bets are:

Move to Japan
Make Japanese friends
Consume mediums that teach you how to speak more informal

>>19599682
便所が人でいっぱいなら
小便は出さない

出来ないになるってどうやってですか?

>>19599701
DQNとベービを作ってみよう

>>19599691
im.. sorry?

>>19599694
I actually have the feeling that if I ever am going to output I'm gonna be too informal. I'm doing something thats inspired by ajatt and with all the weeb media I watch I just pick up informal stuff mostly. Especially for the i+1 stuff

>>19599701

なかだしできるぞ

@ everyone thats tried to post in japanese in the last 20 mins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weqgNHa6X4E

>>19599714
こーゆー言い方使うってば
すんげええええ持てるよ！！！

>>19596697
rosetta stone is literally flash cards though
it just has some sentence cards too and defaults to based romaanji
nothing about it is any more "real" in any way except that it costs money and it runs like it was written in flash in 1995

>>19599723
アノンはゲイです

>>19599723
なにがおかしいきさま！！！！！

>>19599727
and yet i think it would do many ppl itt better than the shit they on now

i mean just take a look around at all the aids and fail

>>19599723

お客様おかえりなさい！ちんこはどうくれていらっしゃいますか？

>>19599714
Then again I don't think I ever will output. I base everything I do on just understanding the weeb shit, not like I ever want to speak with anyone anyway.

>>19596427
>he fell for the source-based meme
just install arch or some derivative
you can still feel like some kind of badass except you'll probably learn more and experiment more without the fear of spending hours rebuilding libraries

>>19599714
I wouldn't overthink it. The Japanese language may be polite and STTP but a lot of them speak informally, no more than we do. That is why a lot of people think Matsumoto from Gaki No Tsukai can be such a dick, that is why outside of Anime SoL they speak the way normal Japanese people do, inside their peers.

>>19599743
嫌らしいだね

>>19599691
貴方ならお互い様だ

>>19599753
why not

MKMT
毎日の国語学びスレード

>>19599763
because my acronym can also be read as "dont" which is actually the main driving point

>>19599763
長々ですわ。

>>19599767
also to supplement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcmJ2qBhUKE

>>19599767
>>19599771
国語をUPして会クラブ
aka KEK thread

>>19599595
300 reviews a day for a year
not gonna make it

>>19599777
meant to use the english word for 寝取られに困れたh

>>19599771

女子っすか？

>>19599788
ちんぽがついた少女っておとこでしょう？

>>19599775
何分煩いだな。
>>19599777
まあ良いけど。
>>19599788
さあ。

>>19599800
what the FUCK r u doin????

>>19599806
きさまなにしてんｎの！！
こりゃー
SHINE

>>19599800
>何分
???
>けど
???

>>19599800

LINEがある？

uma knows japanese. why don't you?

>>19599815
いやだ

>>19599714
You have a non-native card. Non-natives are allowed to use informal, "impolite" speech. Nobody is gonna get upset over that. I've even heard they expect you to get names backwards. So yeah, their politeness rules don't really matter when it comes to second languages speakers.

>>19599824
Thats quite relieving.

>>19599822

楽しみなのに。。

Yotsubato is usually recommended as an entrypoint into reading basic Japanese dialogue, but is there a good anime that serves as an equally decent entrypoint into listening to basic Japanese dialogue? I was thinking I'd go for K-On.

>>19599841
Death Note

>>19599841
There is no entry level raw anime. Not only can you not keep up with the speed, but you also don't know the vocabulary. Bad combination.

The best you can do is watch some baby cartoons aimed at toddlers. And that's not meant as an insult.

>>19599820
Because I'm not a horse.

>>19599841
Shirokuma Cafe

>>19599847
I mean, even when I was watching Banana Fish subbed recently, I was able to catch a good chunk of the dialogue, and it was pretty familiar vocab-wise.

>>19599859
It seems cute, and maybe I'll learn a bunch of useful nature terms too.

>>19599846
WSJ manga adaptations are probably a good starting point, huh?

you guys done with your fuck nihongo shit yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDQwv-ixPQI

>>19599840
あたしは貴方がなんか好きじゃないの。

>>19599824
it matters a little bit more if you want to work in a japanese company
but who the fuck would want to do that

Im suprised that there arent more weebs here learning japanese. I feel like I'm one of the only people just learning this language for those sweet raw anime, manga and otome.

>>19599865
>WSJ manga adaptations are probably a good starting point, huh?
they're probably the worst starting point

>>19599867
And you wonder why nips still hate niggers.

>>19599886
i always get at least one of you retards

>>19599865
>WSJ manga adaptations are probably a good starting point, huh?
no i was trolling you

>>19599881
You're not. That is why I'm learning. I wanted to indulge myself into more content that will never be translated or will take years to be translated.

>>19599891
What are you even doing here? Why are you not on reddit? How did you get so lost

>>19599881
it's in the op, if you aren't a degenerate you're in the wrong thread

>>19599891
失礼な。

>>19599891
>post video of niggers chimping out
>kek got you racist!

>>19599898
What counts as a degenerate?

俺は仕事と恋人があるけど
ニューハーフとかでしくしくしている。

>>19599891
Stop posting clips of your kind acting up and you'll stop "getting" us.

>>19599929
> stop posting clips of your kind acting up

What if I posted a clip of [Anon's race here person] doing something wrong? What kind of implications does that have?

We are all brothers on this earth, mayne.

>>19599922
anything that is within the scope of /a/ or /jp/ but you're free to take it further

>>19599941
I disagree but this isn't the thread for this kind of discussion.

>>19599941
でも、日本人の媒体が最高ですよ

if youre racist and hateful you cant learn japanese

>>19599941
White people have the decency to behave themselves in other cultures, at least without resorting to such violence. Unlike a certain people who turn anywhere they go into a chimp house.

>>19599871

でもさあ、イケメンっぽい会いたいのか？びっくり見つけることがあるんだ！

>>19599951
Exactly but not because of what you think; wasting thoughts on anything but japanese means that you wont do it., so you shouldnt do that

>>19599953
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw27QuFhwc8#t=74

>>19599950
日本文化の重点は女装と思う

Did anyone else's ad blocker stop working for ads on the bottom of this page?

no aids here

>>19599968
時々あらわれる、下の広告

>>19599968
update your filter list and/or restart your browser

>>19599953
>White people have the decency to behave themselves in other cultures
hahahahahahahahahahaha

>>19599972
>>19599975
>>19599974

I just doubled up on ublock and it went away. Guess adblock+ is falling behind.

>>19599954
いやいや。あたしは二次コンですの。

>>19599978
hope you installed ublock origin and not the name-stealing fork

全体の人間には
DQNがある

>>19597879
based olivia

>>19599986
ublock origin 1.16.14. It didn't have a lot of downloads on firefox so I was a little skeptical but it seems to be legit.

>>19599968
Randomly happens to me at the bottom of certain 4chan threads as well. I was nervous I had gotten malware but scans return no results, so your post suggests it's just an adblock failure or something.

>>19599980

もういいよほんとうに。。さあ夢に会ってもいいか。

https://youtu.be/S4HgTTsBf0c?t=157

Is your Nihongo as good as his?

お前学ぶ日本語じゃない

>>19600003
How do you go to Japan and be that fat? I'm gonna lose like 20 pounds before ever going.

>>19600001
儘よ

>>19600009
減る = HELL

They LOVE big fat 外人

>>19600009
what if being poked is your fetish

>19600000

>>19599841
Yotsuba isn't reading it's manga.

>>19600025
I fucked up >>19600000

>>19600028
Talking to someone via email isn't communicating, it's playing on the internet.

>>19600031
looks like you fucked up again

>>19600034
go back to 1995 dude

posting itt or reading this thread is not improving your japanese

>>19600028
you go back to 1995 too

>>19600042
i read 3000 lines today and am currently taking a break

>>19599586
so the pattern would be this I think
を
に

>>19600035
wanted to find the GET, faggot.
it was a shit get
not like anyone cares anymore on this god forsaken website

>>19600034
Cool opinion whyd you reply to me though

>>19600017

あざーっす

>>19600050
why dont you GET out

>>19600037
>>19600043
Don't you think I'd go back if I could?

> booming Clinton economy
> we had a chance of saving earth from climate change, so hope was in the air
> pre 9/11 chillness
> anime was still good, just hard to get, no crunchyroll babies

>>19600067
How about you, newfag.

>>19600068
sorry dude we only get one chance at this you've gotta do what it takes

>>19600042

さて日本語でしなさい！

>>19600054
Whoever did that it doesnt seem correct.

>>19600058
I was bullying your bad opinion.

>>19600070
youre newer than me

>>19600078
Unironically 2004, actually. Right when I learned about hentai in middle school.

>>19600074
that is possibly the most embarrassing japanese i've read in weeks
protip if you're gonna force production google all the individual combinations of words before you post it

おはようおにいちゃん
けつめどなどをすいたいかい？

>fluent japanese from anime guy actually deleted that video
does anyone have it downloaded I need to see it once more

>>19600084
The moment of your ruin.
俺の兄弟

>>19600084
>learned about hentai in middle school
I did too though

>>19600102
All I could find were paysites so I had to jack off to the join screens.

>>19600076
It's not an opinion it's fact sorry. Most people are deluded and think manga is reading when it's not. You can only realize this on your own but me pointing it out can at least help some people start seriously thinking about it.

>>19600084
2003 when moot posted that he was makin a futaba offshoot on another forum and i was like cool lets see how it goes

>>19600106
You're literally reading words on a page, anon. It's not "good reading practice," sure I'll concede there, but you can't just change the meaning of a word.

>>19600114
If you're actually 2003 then congrats you're one of a couple hundred max that are olderfag than me. But I'm calling bullshit either way.

>>19600114
there are arguments that manga is reading that cannot also be used to say that sentence cards are reading
find them anon, only then can you win

>>19600122
meant for >>19600111

>>19600123
Im not even the same anon but this is pretty delusional. Youre literally reading a word. Thats like saying what youre doing right now isnt reading my pos

>>19600123
All of those are reading! Am I crazy?

Of course, if you said "I got some reading in yesterday" to a friend, but you only read the tag on a shirt and the manual to your onahole, you'd be misleading, because of the connotation of the word, but if you spend any amount of time understanding words with your eyes--or hands, in the case of braille--you're reading.

>>19600133
sentence cards aren't reading
you can read the text on them but the cards themselves are not reading material
there is a way to argue that this is not the case for manga, that the manga itself is reading material

>>19600122
>>19600129
idc what you call thats just how it is

youve prolly spent more time on 4chan than me lifetime tho and you can gladly have that

lol at being in middle school in 2k4 tho

we didnt even call it middle school when i went it was jr high ya lil yung ass

>>19599867
japan needs more black people t bh

>>19600155
were workin on it

theres some wards in tokyo that are fully blacked out now

>>19600138
is 4chan reading?
the activity of reading 4chan is reading, yes
but is 4chan itself reading?
no
words have multiple senses and one is always selected in a particular statement about whether something is true or not

>>19600153
Maybe depends on where you grew up. I'm older than I want to be, that's for sure.

>>19598603
Translation:
>I've only read one chapter of Tae Kim and real-life Japanese uses lots of grammar patterns I don't understand, so I came here to complain because I'm buttfrustrated about Japanese not being as easy as normalfags say.

>words have multiple senses
so when you flatly declare that manga isn't reading you're misleading at best and plain incorrect at worst.

>>19600187
that's not me dumbass
follow the conversation properly

>>19600184
I've read all of Tae Kim. Most of it doesn't translate to any sort of native speech or writing. Try to decrypt Japanese twitter using fucking Tae Kim. Good luck.

if manga isn't reading then i'm illiterate.

>>19600190
i don't care who you are. the "manga isn't reading" guy uses that exact same logic.

>>19600205
not at all, he doesn't justify the lack of connection between reading a manga's content and the manga itself being reading or not

>>19600192
okay
here's the first japanese tweet on my twitter feed right now
ネットゲームの友人に会いに行ったら困ったことになる話

ネットゲーム　の　友人　に
The 「の」 particle
The target 「に」 particle

会いに行っ　たら
会いに行く is essentially a word
Past conditional using 「たら (ば) 」

困ったことになる　話
Conjugating to the past state-of-being
ことになる is basically a word of its own, but also Using 「なる」 and 「する」 for nouns and な-adjectives
Using relative verb clauses as adjectives

story about a problem that happened when someone went to meet a friend i made during online games
rest of the tweet's content consists of images from some comic, where a boy and girl were playing opposite-gender characters in the game and now they're realizing they were both genderswapped

>>19600192
Translation:
>I ignored the sidenote in the /djt/ guide about Tae Kim being only the most basic grammar, even the """"""advanced"""""" section. And I'm still buttfrustrated about Japanese being more difficult than I expected.
I'm subscribed to quite a few shitposters on twitter. What they say is perfectly grammatical, you just (probably)
1) Don't know that much grammar
2) Have a small vocabulary
3) Haven't actually gotten used to the grammar patters you already know
4) Expect Japanese to be like another European language, so you don't even try to think when a sentence seems to not make any sense.
5) Don't read enough
6) Don't know slang
7) Are afraid of 日本語 (which is normal, and the only way to conquer your fear is obviously exposing yourself to 日本語)

size always matters

it always matters

>>19600246
bookmarked so i can learn how to parse sentences

>>19600280
have you considered trying it yourself
here have a fresh example

現在、博麗神社例大祭のTwitterアカウントが凍結されています。虚偽違反申請によるものと思われますが、現在凍結解除に向けて作業を行なっていますので、今しばらくお待ちいただければ幸いです。
note: 博麗神社例大祭 is split up into 博麗　神社　例大祭 and 博麗 is read はくれい

>>19600306
>have you considered trying it yourself
no because i know i'll utterly fail

>>19600313
if you don't try it yourself you won't actually become able to do it

>>19600314
yea but it's scary and i don't think i'll ever be able to understand it so i just treat this place like a hangout

your twitters pretty fuckin aids bro

>>19600320
what the fuck man
>>19600321
not when it contains stuff like this
そしてロリ作家さんと非ロリ作家さんの新刊サンプルにおける凍結対策度合いの違いに毎回涙が止まらない

>>19600320
>I never try, because I think I will never be able to do it
Newsflash: you will never be able to.

if you're this scared of learning japanese you can't learn you subconsciously know you're below average in intelligence and can't do it

leave now and forget about this place so you don't feel bad in 5 years when everyone that currently posts here is either fluent or also quit like a loser

japanese is just as scared of you as you are of it

>>19600336
>you subconsciously know you're below average in intelligence
Learning a language as a hobby doesn't have IQ barriers above the level where you're so retarded you can't put a spoon in your own mouth.
If he's dumb, he'll just have to put more effort into studying than normal people.
It's just laziness.

>>19600324
非ロリ?

>>19600324
>凍結対策
What is that supposed to mean in this context?

>>19600405
giving the treatment of account suspension

>>19600375
yes!!! theres millions of literal retards in japan right now that would gladly trade you their proficiency in their native language for the ability to live a normal life

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOkWppHIo_M#t=213

heres a room of actual retard autists who will make (you) feel like a complete poser with your self diagnosed autism which is just a coverup for your weak and lazy bullshit but anyway they all know nihongo and (you) dont

learning your first language as a kid is easy dude, retarded or not. it's a different story if it's your second language as an adult

well obviously but so what just challenge yourself to rewire your brain a little bit

おはようおにいちゃん

きょうは

あめりかがきらいです

>>19600430
The process is different, but at the end of the day, Japanese is just a language.

>>19600423
Man, poor retards. Especially the one with the mic.

>>19600423
The BG music is pretty good though, I wish he shut up.

>>19600449
the one w. the mic is raising up his fellow retards hes literally ride or die for his fellow tards

hes like x if x was doin it for all his tard niggas

>>19600423
this guy makes some of the few japanese rap spits i've not been disgusted by

>>19600496
nevermind it just got terrible he just rapped in pure sixteenth notes with a rest at the end of each measure for like sixteen measures straight

>>19600496
>rap
>not disgusting
does not compute

gomess is cool but i liked him best when he first got in the scene and not as much recently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztiJi2D-TeU

>>19600423
>人間失格
Ouch

yea dude he spits the real tard blues

>>19600537
Oh, it's just the title of the song.
I thought that was what the Japs called retards.

>>19600543
i was hoping you werent thinking something cringy like that thanks for ensuring that i must cringe

>>19600550
Cringe all you fucking want, this is a 初心者スレッド

>>19600572
i fuckin will dude and ill bitch and moan about it

but i love u..

>>19600502
>rap
>not amazing
Korean rap is god tier
https://youtu.be/DPC9erC5WqU

but like most of that track is in nihongo lol

Did someone mention k-rap?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y_Eiyg4bfk

since when is this a beginner thread

if anything we should stop replying to them altogether when they ask stupid questions and maybe this could become a comfy place where we talk about what we're reading and discuss language learning philosophies

>>19600650
lmao he looks like suga

Seeing as how many people here haven't finished RTK yet this is 仕方なく a beginner thread.

>>19600662
Because he is

>>19600679
Almost there BABY!!! Just 23 days to go.

妹の尻穴は最高だぜ

are you going to blog daily

>>19600742
俺はお前の妹にならせるくれ

>>19600760
いや。お前はかわいい女の子じゃないし

>>19600773
それはそうだけど
俺は大きなお尻ある

>>19600773
それ問題ねえ

You guys are weird

>>19600781
男のお尻は興味がない

your mom thought i was weird last night

not AGAIN

>>19600795
本当に?
やってみろ

>>19600789
いやいや、絶対に大問題だ

>>19600793
変なアノンしかないスレッドは
一人の普通な人が変なんだよ

リア充ぶっ殺す。。

Today I started passive listening. I'm not going to do it 24/7 or anything but having it going for a few hours a day while I'm reading 4chan is kind of nice.

俺は温泉で男を犯した
俺はゲイじゃねえぞ

書類を入国管理局に持って言ってって言われたんだけど、何を書いたりいつまで出したりするのかなと思ってて、困ったな～

>>19600834
I was going to months ago and never did. What you listening to?

>>19600841
自殺やってみる

>>19600848
ひどいよ

>>19600830
僕の童貞をぶっ殺してください

>>19600845
Shingeki no Kyojin

ッブ殺す