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AWWWW SHIT
ANOTHER PHOTO GAME

We won, chuunibros.

There's nothing that gets me more excited than a new Touhou game. AND it's a new STB-type spin off, I'm hype!

i wouldnt mind the photo games if they controlled the same as the mainline games
but they dont and i actually get worse at regular shmups the more i play photo games

What a beautiful day to bully a violet nerd

Unlike other photo games it will have a story of some kind

ZUN Sumimi is cute as heck, bros.

>>19459803
Cool!

Holy shit, ZUN Sumi is cute lads.

okina WILL appear in this game

I am excited for the new music.

I am excited for Sumimi's interactions with HecaT.

The photo games hurt my soul.

>>19459788
Sumi looks a huge chuuni dork!

Of course, the walking cringe compilation gets her own game!

Clownpiece is ALREADY back on the fucking moon

Are Lunarians the worst defenders in the history of the universe?

>>19459915
They just don't wanna touch her, much unlike *some* people

>>19459934
mibs pls

>>19459788
Really cute ZUNart. Her hair is red as fuck though like the newer Renko images. Kinda reminds me of Yumemi in this picture particularly.

New touhou and new umineko content coming, im really happy.

>>19459934

being so afraid you run away from your homeland counts as losing

You'd best step the fuck back you little chuuni shit.

>>19459966
>2018
>not being a chuunichad
hmph

Did Ayayaya get lazy or something? I don't like chuuni shit taking over the tengu business.

>>19459952
Sumireko is probably just windows Yumemi.

>>19459959
It's called tactical retreating.

>>19459869
Me too. But I can't wait.

It's been a while. ZUN here.

Man, it's really hot. We all need to be seriously careful about heat stroke.

In this kind of summer, I've confined myself to cooping up inside and playing games, so I've made a little game to sell at Summer Comiket.

Touhou Project 16.5

Secret Sealing Nightmare Diary ~ Violet Detector.

It's a game where Sumireko Usami, the high school girl that can only come to Gensokyo in her dreams, experiences some particularly strange dreams.

The aim of the game is to take pictures of psychic powers and danmaku to post onto social networks for glory, with systems that should feel very reminiscent of Shoot the Bullet, and yet somehow there's a kind of an ominous story in there, so while you can play without a care it's turning into something you can really sink your teeth into.

It's planned to be sold at Summer Comiket on August 10 (Friday) at booth 東シー15a Shanghai Alice Gengakudan.

Now let's see about the fate of Sumireko Usami.

>>19459996
>social networks
wtf I hate Sumimi now???

>>19460000
Just now?

>>19459996
>ominous story
>fate of Sumireko Usami
DED

>>19460000
Checked

>>19460001
I liked Sumimi before because I could relate to her.

>>19460000
>19460000
How will Sumi ever recover?

Any story expositions to expect?
I'd feel maybe this will expand on what kind of relation Renko and Sumireko actually has, if only by a bit.

>>19459996
Secret Sealing mentioned in the title? Could there be some sort of tie in with the CD stories?
Also, didn't ZUN also call Forbidden Scrollery's ending and the ULiL Reisen story ominous? I doubt we're going to get anything particularly out of the ordinary.

>>19460008
Yeah, I'm expecting something along those lines.

>>19460018
>Could there be some sort of tie in with the CD stories?

>>19460008
ZUN already told us in Symposium of Post-Phantasmagoria. Sumireko is the lovechild of Renko and Maribel, but Maribel was about to die in childbirth so Renko had to turn her into a youkai to save her life, but Maribel couldn't control her powers at first so the baby got sent back into the past where she was raised by a gang of lolicons.

>>19459788
Interesting choice picking her instead of Aya, I think it's probably because it makes more sense for her to randomly end up in space and places like that unlike Aya.
It will also give us some outside world perspective so that's nice.

Will I be able to put filters on the photos I take?

MotK still has no news thread about it. What a bunch of autists.

>>19460050
Thats asking too much for ZUN

>>19460067
Its 3 am over here

>>19459915
Or maybe Sumireko snuck on the moon during the events of LoLK.
I wonder what's the deal because it's kinda weird to see Piece there when it's not even lazyness since there's a perfectly usable Hakurei shrine background.

So what are the odds that we'll get Aya as an unlockable character, a la Hatate in DS?
I expect one of them to appear in some form, at least.

>>19459803
I'm expecting it to just have short cutscenes similar to ISC.
Notice how Nickname is making a return from that same game.

>>19459809
Yup. Can't wait for the rips.

>>19460040
My guess is for the somewhat more meta reason of ZUN wanting to differentiate this new game from the other two photo games. After all, ZUN typically doesn't like revisiting old concepts unless he has some new spin to put on them.

>>19460073
Nobody cares about muttland

>violet detector
>violet
ZUN!!!

>Violet
Yukarin confirmed

>>19460091
I want to rub my face against Sumi's legs.

>It takes a photo game for Junko to appear again
I guess I'll take it

>>19459788
>>19459793
>>19459803
Her cape and skirt are so dumb

Let's look at some of the gameplay mechanics of this game.
(taken from the stage select screenshot)

>"Superpowers you can use"
>Lv1 Bullet Cancel
>Lv2 Teleportation
>Lv3 Telephotography

>>19460109
Maybe a mix between Impossible Spellcard and the photo games?

>>19460109
So its gonna be like ISC but with powers instead

>>19460109
Maybe taking a picture this time doesn't delete bullets so you need to decide in either deleting them or progressing through the level

Ayafags btfo hahahahahaha

>>19460117
Looks like it. Chance of Aya being unlockable: 15%

>>19460130
ISC didnt even had an unlockable character so I dont see why this should

Touhou horror game

>>19459996
>The aim of the game is to take pictures of psychic powers and danmaku to post onto social networks for glory
Oh, geez. This won't end well.

>>19460018
What even happened in Reisen's ULiL story?

>>19460133
It's a photo game.

After making 16 easy, this will be ZUN's revenge

>>19460143
>What even happened in Reisen's ULiL story?

Reisen got swapped with her dream version for a while and it turns out that version of her is frustrated as heck with basically everything just like a tired OL so she waltzed around Gensokyo venting her rage.

>>19460165
So ominous!

>>19460143
It's just set-up for ULiL

>>19460165
That's AoCF my dude

So there won't be a 16.5 Tasofro fighter, what a combo breaker.

>>19460168
Ah sorry, in ULiL basically nothing happens, it's just a very vague preview of what happens in AoCF

>>19460168
>set-up for ULiL
Sorry, I mean for AoCF. It's just Reisen investigating the aftermath of ULiL and ends with Reisen encountering Perfect Possession.
Only really noteworthy thing aside from that is that apparently Miko can shatter Kaguya's eternity shenanigans.

>>19460163
I thought HSiFS was making up for LoLK

>>19460168
>>19460165

>>19460181
>I thought HSiFS was making up for LoLK
We're now forever stuck in a sine wave of difficulty.

>>19460074
Maybe Sumireko saw LoLK via her dreams instead?

>>19459915
To be fair, Sakata also has a background that should no longer exist since the incident was already resolved.

>>19460195
no it just means gensokyo is currently in fall

>>19459788
>photo game

>>19460086
you might be onto something here

>>19459996
>kind of an ominous story in there
It's happening lads, Mima origin story!

>>19460448
It doesn't mean anything, ZUN is calling every story ominous lately.

>>19460448
I feel it in my bones

>>19460448

I still have hope

>>19459915
I can only hope for Junko and Hecatia to be there.

>>19460091
SLUT

>>19460003
That would be amazing.

>>19460564
>>19460666
Aya pls.

Harasaki is taking notes right now.

>>19460137
Yes. Sumireko is going to get taken out by the goverments anti Gensokyo conspiracy.

>>19460669
I like Sumireko just fine. But having her get axed off violently would finally put a end to the idea of Gensokyo as a wish fullfiment paradise.

>>19460683
Guess what, it won't happen because you are completely wrong about everything!

Sumi might not be a favorite of mine, but this is a interesting game concept so far. If it’s like ISC and the photo games mixed into one like what >>19460119 said. Hopefully this game does bring some good excitement and work as a .5 title, unlike the previous fightans

Ah, I want to fill Sumi's JK womb with my hikkiNEET seed!

>>19460702
That can't be. Because i'm totally right.

>>19459788
Not Seija??

Meeeehhhhhh, but I'll play it I guess

>>19460137
Good. All sues deserve to suffer.

Sumi's such a dork I hope she gets raped by Doremy in her sleep

>>19460930
I want to be sexually harrassed and edged by Doremy in my sleep!

Touhou 16.5 pre-order open on steam!

>>19460930
I seriously hope she will become mind broken in the end of the game and forget everything about gensokyo so it remains unexposed.

>>19460972
Someone, get the cockroaches.

More oppaichuuni pictures incoming.

>>19460003
What if she's actually mima?

>>19461055
She's actually Yumemi.

Listen to my theory.
Sumireko is actually the reincarnation of Mima. She doesn't have her original memories but her magic powers remain, manifesting themselves as psychic powers. Sumimi is a huge fucking chuuni because Mima was no different.

The more you mention Mima, the more you jinxed it

>>19460972
It's possible that Yukari will interfere with Sumi's plan and permaban her from entering Gensokyo.

>>19461078
That's really stupid anon.

very cool

>>19460914
>Intenional self parody of shitty Touhou fans.
>Sue.
Only Touhou fans could have this poor of a grasp of something they claim to be obsessed with.

>>19461220
you might not be wrong but who are you quoting?

Mating press rape
Mating press rape

>>19461220
That's not what a _self_ parody is.

>>19459788
YES YES YES HOLY SHIT YES

GAME OF THE YEAR 2018

LITERALLY A DREAM COME TRUE, I LOVE YOU SUMI

>>19460137
Maybe she posts Ran's danmaku with the Manji sign and FB/Twitter deemed that as antisemitism and deleted her posts/ban her.

>>19461781
Stupid joke and terrible post. Kuso post of the day, folks.

Would like to point out how empty/simplistic the game looks. Compared to other spin-off games, only timer and picture slots with scores.

Can someone transalte this screen?

>>19461854
"The pleasure of having cockroaches inside your womb"

>>19461854

>>19461866
>>19461869
Sasuga, /jp/-kun you out-kuso'ed yourself more than you should have.

>>19461890
Yeah, I forgot to change the font to Comic Sans. I'm going to have to kill myself for that one.

>>19461272
The world.

>>19461275
Uh, yeah. My bad. She is still a parody though. And not a particularly flattering one either.

>>19461834
grug brain need pretty picture and filled up space
if grug see empty space brain feel bad
grug think this bad game
-(you)

>>19461869
Beautiful

>>19461104
>Permaban her from entering Gensokyo.
Can she actually do that though?

>>19460972
She could just end up in a mental institution.

>>19461854
"I got stepped on by this jizo! How infuriating! I'm gonna expose her on the internet!."

sumireko is gay

>>19461854
お地蔵さんに踏まれた！チョームカつく！ネットで晒してやる！

I want to Violate the Detector

I just hope the story make it so she is permanently expelled from Gensokyo and can't ever enter again so we don't have to see her.

Speaking of that what do the Japanese people think about Sumi, here in the west I would say she's on of the more hated characters.

>>19461974
>Speaking of that what do the Japanese people think about Sumi.
I suspect she's equally hated. Unless the japanese fanbase just happens to be more self aware than the western one. Which i doubt.

>>19461938
>A Youkai steps on your toe.
>Shitpost about her on facebook.
Sumireko is the most woke Touhou.

>>19461993
Who are you quoting?

>>19462006
Sima Yi.

>>19461974
>>19461984
>hate
Delusional as fuck.

>>19462055
go take a shower you stinky nerd!

>>19461938
>>19461958
I see, thanks!

Also, what's with these tags and likes?

>>19460683
Gensokyo doesn't necessarily subscribe to your head canon, spaz.

>>19462090
He's probably one of the people that got frustrated when FS didn't validate his GRIMSOKYO fantasies with its ending.

>>19462118
It is clear ZUN would never write Grimsokyo into anything anymore, DiPP was a mistake.

>>19462118
Judging by his punctuation, I think it's literally Reimuhater.

What if sumireko comes here to shitpost?

>>19462177
I have better things to do.

>>19462177
That sounds like something Sumireko would say.

Posting for a friend

>>19462257
>>19460409

>>19462177
sumireko comes on /jp/ to troll in order to distract us from her gay nerd stench!

>that feel when 2hu 17 is probably in the works right now.

Can't say that his art improved to be honest. UFO was its peak anyway.

get out reddittors discordfags
i know you're here

>>19462294
Who are you quoting?

>>19462090
I agree. Like your own headcanons, for instance.

>>19462118
There are ways of viewing Gensokyo besides "Wish Fulfillment paradise" and "Grimdark hellhole".

>>19462292
>gay
DEL

>>19462294
Didn't ZUN say that each game takes about 6 months to be made? Doubt he has started yet.
>Can't say that his art improved to be honest. UFO was its peak anyway.
What are you talking about?

>>19462294

>Can't say that his art improved to be honest. UFO was its peak anyway.

That's an odd way of spelling 'Ten Desires'

I'm happy it's another photo game but man why does it have to be sumishit

Why do you guys think that Yukari will expell her? Wouldn't it make more sense to trap her in Gensokyo instead of taking the stupid risk of letting her spread shit on the internet?

>>19462055
I like her just fine. She's one of the few Touhou characters i could actually see as good girlfriend material. But most fans don't seem to be that fond of her.

>>19462416
Its part of her trillion steps plan

>>19462418

While she does seem like a good girlfriend

i don't dig chicks with glasses

>>19462418
sumireko stop posting on /jp/! it's obvious it's you! nobody would want your smelly self as their girlfriend!

Reminder, especially now that Sumireko has the same red-black hair Renko had in Dr. Latency's Freak Report.

>>19462377
Says the guy who can't spell 'Embodiment of Scarlet Devil' properly.

>>19462418
>But most fans don't seem to be that fond of her.
/jp/ is not most fans, my dude. I'm not going to lie and tell you she's the most popular Touhou character of all time, but she's not particularly hated either.

>>19462416
Yukari won't expel her, she already confronted Kasen about bringing her over and implied to Kasen that her doing so aligns with Yukaris goals as well

>>19461974
>>19461984
"Hate" is an extremely strong word for a character that's routinely ending up at #53 in the popularity polls, around characters like Kosuzu, Mystia, and Chen. Most people are probably just kind of ambivalent and think she's goofy.

Im so fucking mad right now
Like joe dare this shitty nerd got its game
Specialy when she got banished from gensyoko while failing to destroy the barrier
Like how she get back in

>>19462416
It's just guys who don't like Sumireko and are letting it cloud their judgement. Yukari is fully aware of her presence and if she hasn't done anything up to now then she's likely just going to let her be. She comes face to face with Sumi in AoCF and doesn't seem to care at all.

Not to mention, it's canon that Sumireko has already tried to expose Gensokyo's existence to the outside world. It's just that nobody believes her, and why should they? Yeah nice kemonomimi headband and photoshopping, that's totally a mouse youkai shooting magical bullets.

>>19462450

A R T

>>19460683
>>19460796
2hu is wish fulfillment incarnate, ya assblasted cunt. That's not going to change.

>>19462440
>nobody would want your smelly self as their girlfriend!
I would.

>>19462451
Dumb chuuni, you are supposed to be naked when using an apron

>>19462511
Post the marisa portraits if you dare.

>>19462467
>Specialy when she got banished from gensyoko while failing to destroy the barrier
>Like how she get back in
Do you even play the games

>>19462451
Proofs on that popularity?

>>19462556
Shit taste.
>>19462552
Patrician.

>>19462568
Anything looks better than her dumb cape
Except naked cape

>>19462455
>"Hate" is an extremely strong word for a character that's routinely ending up at #53 in the popularity polls, around characters like Kosuzu, Mystia, and Chen. Most people are probably just kind of ambivalent and think she's goofy.
That's fair.

>>19462535
Touhou never was never supposed to be wish fulfillment, and it's never going to be. But if you want to keep deluding yourself, then go ahead.

i hacked >>19462552's webcam.. and this is what i saw...

>>19462432
>i don't dig chicks with glasses
She probably doesn't need them. She seems like the kind of girl that would wear glasses when she doesn't need them.

>>19462440
Lies! I want Sumireko as my cute dork girlfriend.

>>19462576
You're FACE looks dumb.

sumireko used proxies to vote for herself on the popularity polls multiple times! pathetic! does it get any sadder than that?!

>>19462582
Oh, but it is. How is it not wish fulfillment?
lewd sumi

>>19462626
Patrician!

>>19462638
Sumi is too dumb to use proxies

>>19461004
go back to facebook

>>19462626
I want to take away her glasses and see her trip down on anything

>>19461866
This NEET needs to know her place!

I LOVE SUMIMI

Why is everyone so mean to Sumireko?
She's a good girl.

>>19462717
She is bulliable in a cute way, I want to tie up her shoes

Don't noncon the sumi! It's not very nice to noncon others, especially when it's a 2hu!

>>19462586
Why would you even set up your webcam that far from the computer?

>>19462717
she doesn't go to the supermarket or do the dishes whenever her mother asks her to.
bad girl.
she also showers like once or twice a week.

>>19462731
No tying up sumi, not even her shoes! She isn't some kind of pervert who likes anything like that! She doesn't like bullying, either.

>>19462586
Those are some thighs.

>>19462642
Delete.

I like the doujin where Sumi breaks some dude finger and the dude gets his revenge by controlling Sumi's body into being a cumdumpster that cant think on anything but cocks

Su-mee-ree-koh

>>19462867
>ree
idiot

>>19462745
For camwhoring purposes.

>>19462451
I suppose. I'm not surprised /jp/ would hate her. Considering that most of them are exactly the kind of fans Sumireko is supposed to parody.

>>19462981
wtf i love Sumireko now

>>19462642
>How is it not wish fulfillment?
Because you aren't supposed to think "It would be so awesome to go to Gensokyo!". And you certainly aren't supposed to think "I want to go to Gensokyo to fuck X!".

>>19462997
You are supposed to think "It would be so awesome to go to Gensokyo!". And you certainly are supposed to think "I want to go to Gensokyo to fuck X!".

>>19463016
No. Going to Gensokyo is a death sentence. That's not me being "Grimderp", it's been a point in the canon for basically as long as there has been a serious attempt at a canon.

>>19463033
Going to Gensokyo is not a death sentence. It's been a point in the canon for basically as long as there has been a serious attempt at a canon.

So who wants to inform Grimsokyofag that wish fulfillment is subjective and that, despite his autism, Gensokyo does host positive traits that to some would make it preferable to our modern society?
I mean after he's done sperging out on an obvious shitposter, of course.

>>19463060
You don't "inform" Grimsokyofag about anything. It's like talking to a mold growing on a computer running 4chan in a browser, forever.

>>19463037
That's a lie and you know it.

>>19463060
Wish fulfilment is subjective, obviously. But when your wish fulfillment fantasy comes with a 70% of death. And is embodied by a character that's portrayed as negatively as Sumireko. I think authorial intent is pretty clear on the subject.

>>19462997
>>19463033
Shit taste.
>>19463037
>>19463016
Patrician taste.
2hu is headcanon incarnate, it's pure escapism, the canon just serves as a basis to develop your own headcanon off of, even ZUN picks and chooses what from what is canon or'll become canon. Grimsokyo is your Gensokyo. He's not going to kill anyone off, and he's not going to try and kill off Gensokyo's wish fulfillmentness. He's not durpiaki anno.

>>19463095
That's truth and you know it.

>>19463060
>Gensokyo does host positive traits that to some would make it preferable to our modern society?
Like what?

>Touhou is pure escapism

wat
Do 2hu lewdposters really think this?

>>19463095
>comes with a 70% of death
The only person here. who wants their wish fulfillment with a serving of death. is you, anon.
>as negatively as sumi
Sumi did nothing wrong.
Why do you type. like that? You're not using a. telegram (or whatsimicallit).

>>19463114
>He's not going to kill anyone off
He killed off Fortune Teller

I want to collaborate with several other single gentlemen hold down Sumireko and steal her knickers whenever we see her about town.

>>19463153
She will defeat you by not wearing any.

>do 2hu lewdposters really
Yarp. Life sucks, so why should Gensokyo? Leave the pointless grimderp to shitty hollywood movies desu.

>>19463114
>2hu is headcanon incarnate, it's pure escapism
I agree somewhat with the former, less the latter. Yes, ZUN leaves a lot of ambiguity in the setting for you to draw your own conclusions and theories. That's part of the reason why Touhou is as popular as it is. But to say that he has zero authorial intent, or that you should just discard any piece of canon you dislike is simply untrue.

>>19463139
Yes. They are quite sad creatures.

I want to pull on Sumireko's pigtails.

>>19463153
You can have the knickers, i'll take the sumi, deal?

>>19463160
That was our plan all along.

It's a 2hu fact that human outsiders get eaten by Youkai because they're not human villagers.

If you can't find the human village (or someone that will guide you there) in time, you're fucked.

A lot of randos die in the mangas. Even in the fairy mangas some random dog youkai killed a bunch of human villagers.

>>19463177
B-Bakana!

>>19463184
It's a 2hu fact that human outsiders MAY get eaten by Youkai. Just like you may get killed by wild bears if oyu get lost in a forest. I don't see how this fact makes our world "grim".

>>19463150
Who cares about that loser lmao.

>>19463147
>The only person here. who wants their wish fulfillment with a serving of death. is you, anon.
I actively dislike any form of wish fulfillment, thank you very much.

>Sumi did nothing wrong.
She's a massive hypocrite, irresponsible, immature, and incredibly disrespectful to most people around her. I like her as a character. And she's not, like, evil. But she isn't portrayed very positively.

>>19463162
>Life sucks, so why should Gensokyo?
Because you're taking an interesting, detailed, and well-crafted setting and turning it into your own personal self-gratifying fantasy playground. Leave that to porn, or isekai stories.

>>19463184
Sounds like propaganda made up by anti-youkai types to screw up relations between humans and youkai. Even if youkai used to have to eat humans, or kill, or any horrible things like that, they left that all behind when they came to Gensokyo, and they love outsiders!
inb4 delusional headcanon

>>19463195
Because most people that are eaten by bears are not abducted with the explicit purpose of being eaten. If it was discovered that a Zoo has been regularly abducting people and feeding them to bears. Then I would call that pretty grim.

Also, stop thinking that anybody that acknowledges that some bad things happen in Gensokyo wants the setting to be "Grimdark".

>>19463114

My vision is Gensokyo is where everyone loves me and i don't die

also the fortune teller is alive because he looks like a badass for a minor character

>>19463204
>Sounds like propaganda made up by anti-youkai types to screw up relations between humans and youkai.
More like propaganda made by youkai to continue to be feared, which is necessary for their existence. This is actually canon, unlike your theory.

>>19459788
ZUNmireko is fucking cute.

>>19463204
No, actually. The delusional headcanon has been posted already.

>>19463213
They do still eat outsiders though. Or at least, some Youkai do.

>>19463208
Show me the canon quote that states that most people who end up in Gensokyo are abducted with the explicit purpose of being eaten.

>>19463195
The thing is if you're a foreigner you're still bound by human laws.

In Gensokyo you aren't. If you choose not to be a human villager, say you want to go back home outside instead of staying there, you're almost confirmed dead.

Many Youkai are smarter than a regular human, let alone a wild bear, and it'll eat you because you're not part of their society.
This context makes it different, same reason why a human killing another human is considered darker than a bear killing a human.

>>19463222
I'm pretty sure a villager also takes risks if he or she goes outside at night. So do most people who live in the cities in our world, though.

>>19463227
>If you choose not to be a human villager, say you want to go back home outside instead of staying there, you're almost confirmed dead.
Where are you getting this nonsense? Most outsiders return to the outside world.

>>19463223
Also, from the PCB profile of Yukari.
>When humans from the outer world wander into Gensokyo, it's all thanks to fluctuations in the boundary caused by Yukari.

>>19463250
>Show me the canon quote that states that most people who end up in Gensokyo are abducted with the explicit purpose of being eaten.

>>19463200
You sound like a fun person.
>I dislike any form of
That's pretty hard to believe. Why do you read or view or play any fiction, if not for wish fulfillment?
>hypocrite, immature, and incredibly disrespectful
She sounds like she'd be fun to be around or be with. Those all sound like traits that'd make someone like her interesting and different from party-killers like yourself. Variety is the spice of life.
>leave it to porn or isekai
Isekai tends to be lazy and boring, the idea is cool, but no one has really made one that you could put alongside (in terms of quality) the goods, averages, and greats from other genres. One man's trash, though. 2hu has porn.

>>19463217
I like her socks.

>>19462416
It's more likely that Yukari will introduce Gensokyo to the internet, and make /jp/ their home page. Expect all touhoes to see everything you say here soon.

This thread has now gone from discussing the game itself to discussing whenever gensokyo is better than the real world or not

this is gonna be entertaining

>>19463272
They don't know English except for Scarlets and Suzy, so who cares.

>>19463227
>If you choose not to be a human villager, say you want to go back home outside instead of staying there, you're almost confirmed dead.
What?
If you have the knowledge that you're trapped in another world and are able to go back if you want, then you're already under Reimu's care.

>>19463227
>say you want to go back home outside instead of staying there,
...Eh? Why do you think that? Yukari and Reimu might be pretty bad people. But i do think outsiders send back home by the Hakurei Shrine Maiden are returned to the outside world.

>>19463235
Depends on the city. Either way, it's usually not nearly as a big of a risk. At least as long as you avoid the really bad neighborhoods.

>>19463239
Most die, actually. But the ones that do make it to safety do usually choose to go back. With the ones that choose to stay not doing that well.

>>19463255
>After all, it's not like Gensokyo's got enough food for all the Youkai here, isn't it?
Do you need to have it spelled out for you?

>>19463262
>2hu has porn
understatement of the century

>>19463274
Is Touhou/Gensokyo grimdark?

>>19463274
It is not going to be interesting, it's just Grimsokyo retard shitting up another thread in his usual manner.

>>19463274
of course it isn't better than the real world, sumireko doesnt live there

>>19463150
Wasn't that because he turned into a youkai? Just like keep being a NEET in the human village or something and Reimu won't murder you.

>>19463239
>Most
How about you actually read?
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Outsider

>>19463280
>Depends on the city. Either way, it's usually not nearly as a big of a risk.
Did you run numbers on the risk one takes in Gensokyo?
>Most die, actually.
Source?
> But the ones that do make it to safety do usually choose to go back.
And do so successfully, with directly contradicts your claim.
>With the ones that choose to stay not doing that well.
Source?
>Do you need to have it spelled out for you?
I need you to stop pulling rubbish out of your ass.

>>19463274
I love how arguing that Touhou isn't a wish fulfilment fantasy means that you support Grimdark Gensokyo.

>>19463297
And? It says nothing about the proportion of outsiders who get killed.

>>19463139
Fuck you, I'm a lewdposter and I don't think that. Don't group me with retards who think things you dislike and stop arbitrarily forming groups so you can hate certain people more easily, that's /v/-like behavior.

>>19463262
>That's pretty hard to believe. Why do you read or view or play any fiction, if not for wish fulfillment?
Because movies/games/books are fun, exciting, tense, and can even broaden my horizon. I don't watch Lord of the Rings thinking "Wow, I totally want to be Frodo!" Nor do I play Rome Total War thinking "Wow, I want to be a roman general."

>Isekai tends to be lazy and boring, the idea is cool, but no one has really made one that you could put alongside (in terms of quality) the goods, averages, and greats from other genres.
I'm just saying. If you want blind self-gratification and wish fulfillment fantasies. Go read something that actually encourages such a mindset.

>>19463336
>I'm just saying. If you want blind self-gratification and wish fulfillment fantasies. Go read something that actually encourages such a mindset.
I see you are still abusing periods, you colossal faggot.

>>19463310
You don't read much, don't you? Not everything has to be "Most outsiders get wrecked".

>Most outsiders that get caught by youkai either get eaten at once, or get eaten once the youkai lose interest in them.
>If an outsider is fortunate and manages to find the human village, they can be returned safely to the outside world if they go to the Hakurei Shrine.

The fact that an outsider is considered fortunate if he gets to the human village is practically saying it, considering you were basically transported in the land of fucking nowhere where you know nothing about the place, and the population is 95% man-eating monsters.

>>19463345
>The fact that an outsider is considered fortunate if he gets to the human village is practically saying it
No it isn't.
>and the population is 95% man-eating monsters
No it isn't.

>>19463312
>>19463345
Fuck, wrong person.

Now why in the name of fuck are people still trying to force their own Touhou canon even after blacktewi.jpg was posted.

>>19463353
Grimsokyofag isn't really a person.

>>19463350
Then tell me what, pray tell, is it implying? Pathetic one liners are no argument.

>>19463285

idk

>>19463288

shhhhh you'll ruin it

>>19463290

I don't like her much but don't hate her completely either

>>19463310

True, i'd rather live in a fantasized one than the canon one desu

>>19463359
It doesn't imply anything. "Our group of 20 people was caught in an avalanche. Four people died. I was fortunate and I survived." Being fortunate doesn't somehow mean you're automatically a minority.

>>19463368
I'll give you that, but the case still stands that not most people get whisked away out of Gensokyo. There is much more of a case leading to the other side of the argument.

>>19463385
>There is much more of a case leading to the other side of the argument.
No there isn't.

>>19463357
Then ignore his shit until he starts samefagging, gets tired of that and fucks off. Why the fuck are you validating a retard's shitposting by giving him all the attention he craves and making him famous, holy shit

It boggles the mind how retarded you guys are to respond to this unoriginal troll.
Why is /jp/ so shitty?

>>19463274
I honestly don't care about that. If people are stupid enough to think they would be any less of a pathetic anti-social loser in Gensokyo than they are in the outside world, then they are free to think so. I'm just sick of people pretending that going to Gensokyo isn't basically a death sentence.

>>19463305
>Source?
Like this poster pointed out >>19463297 . It's made pretty clear that most outsiders that end up in Gensokyo are eaten going by the PMISS article. Same for the PCB prologue.

>And do so successfully, with directly contradicts your claim
Did you actually read my post? I agree that most outsiders that make it to safety are send back without any fuss. It's just that most people never make it to safety.

>I need you to stop pulling rubbish out of your ass.
On both that page, and the one before it. She basically says: "I'm sending spies to the outside world." and the next page she says "After all, Youkai have to eat something." What do you think she meant?

>>19463262
>That's pretty hard to believe. Why do you read or view or play any fiction, if not for wish fulfillment?

I never thought that I'd see something so sad today.

>>19463310
I know. It's a sad state of affair.

>>19463342
I'm not abusing periods. I'm using them like they're supposed to be used.

>>19463395
>It's made pretty clear that most outsiders that end up in Gensokyo are eaten going by the PMISS article.
No it isn't.
>Did you actually read my post?
Lol, yes:
>If you choose not to be a human villager, say you want to go back home outside instead of staying there, you're almost confirmed dead.
This is pure nonsense.
>What do you think she meant?
It does not follow from this that most people who end up in Gensokyo are abducted by Yukrai for the purpose of being eaten.

>>19463290
Finally someone gets it.

>>19463389
>Outsiders are in a panic and lost once they are transported
>Barely any human venture far off the human village
>Outsiders are not bound to human villager laws
>Youkai exist in every nook in Gensokyo

What argument exists for the other side other than wandering Mokou (if you get get transported to Bamboo Forest)?

>>19463389
>Most outsiders that get caught by youkai either get eaten at once, or get eaten once the youkai lose interest in them.
So, basically. Most outsiders that stumble across a Youkai are eaten. The few exceptions presumably involving Youkai like Shou or Alice. There are a LOT more Youkai in Gensokyo than humans. It's pretty obvious what that means for most outsiders.

>>19463416
>Barely any human venture far off the human village
Plenty of humans go to places like Hakurei shrine.
>Youkai exist in every nook in Gensokyo
Did you run numbers on the density of youkai population of Gensokyo, and then adjust for the number of youkai who actually represent a mortal danger to humans (a minority, most likely)?

As far as I'm concerned, you can walk across Gensokyo for hours and hours without meeting any youkai, especially by day.

>>19463393
At this point it can either only be those people who enjoy arguing about anything until they "win" or the retard himself samefagging. Either way it's cancer and I want to die

>>19463424
>Most outsiders that stumble across a Youkai are eaten.
Most outsiders that get caught by a youkai are eaten. Plenty of youkai have no interest in catching humans.
>The few exceptions presumably involving Youkai like Shou or Alice.
The gigantic number of exceptions includes the huge part of named Touhou cast.
>There are a LOT more Youkai in Gensokyo than humans.
Source? Unless we count fairies, ghosts and such.
> It's pretty obvious what that means for most outsiders.
It's not.

>>19463130
An afterlife, for starters.

>>19463139
Honestly, I'd rather risk Gensokyo than die slowly working myself to death for some jerk so he can profit off my existence.

>>19463466

There's an alternative to that

it's called establishing your own business

Hell there's a guy i know who makes money off of cutting folks lawns AND anyone can do that.

>>19463426
>Plenty
It's a recurring thing that barely anyone goes to the Hakurei Shrine, you know.
Even Hakurei Shrine parties are mostly inhabited by non-humans.

"Danger" meter exists for locations in PMiSS, you know.
Almost everything is a medium or high.

>That's pretty hard to believe. Why do you read or view or play any fiction, if not for wish fulfillment?
Considering Gensokyo was in such a bad state before that the Spellcard Rules had to be created, I'd say the majority is more likely.

Youkai were born not to eat pigs or chicken, they are literally meant to be humanity's fear incarnate.

>>19463208
People are calling you grimdark because
>But having her get axed off violently would finally put a end to the idea of Gensokyo as a wish fullfiment paradise.

>>19463408
>This is pure nonsense.
That's not my post. You fucking imbecile. I was actually saying i disagreed with him on that.

>It does not follow from this that most people who end up in Gensokyo are abducted by Yukrai for the purpose of being eaten.
We know that EVERY person that ends up in Gensokyo is the fault of Yukari. That was established as early as PCB. And we know Yukari views the outside world as Gensokyo's food supply. Put one and one together and it should be pretty obvious.

Why else would she abduct people anyway? Because she thinks it would make a bitching vacation?

>>19463416
If I might play devil's advocate. There are several people that would be willing to escort you to the human village if you stumbled across them besides Mokou.

>>19463426
>Plenty of humans go to places like Hakurei shrine.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Hakurei_Shrine
>Just as in the village, one is ensured safety from attacks by youkai while at the shrine; however, as the path between the shrine and the village is an animal trail with poor visibility, safety cannot be guaranteed. This has always prevented people from visiting the shrine to worship.

>and then adjust for the number of youkai who actually represent a mortal danger to humans (a minority, most likely)?
Do you understand what "Most" means? Like, even if you assume only 51% of Youkai hunt humans. That still leaves a LOT of Youkai wandering around that would devour you alive the moment they stumble across you. Most of them probably a lot more active around roads and forests than somebody like Nazrin or Alice.

>As far as I'm concerned, you can walk across Gensokyo for hours and hours without meeting any youkai, especially by day.
You think that why? Going by PMISS, Gensokyo is filled with the things Even during the day.

>>19463491
Why the fuck do I always misquote shit. I'm too sleepy already.

meant
> who actually represent a mortal danger to humans (a minority, most likely)?

>>19463483
Thanks, now I can be a slave to the economy rather than my employer!
Also, telling me to start a lawncare service? Who are you, my mom?

>>19463491
>It's a recurring thing that barely anyone goes to the Hakurei Shrine, you know.
Let's completely ignore all those festivals that happen in every other manga chapter and attract crowds of villagers, and be autistic instead!
>Almost everything is a medium or high.
a 3% chance to get gruesomly killed sounds pretty dangerous to me.
>Youkai were born not to eat pigs or chicken, they are literally meant to be humanity's fear incarnate.
Kogasa would definitely agree.

>>19463444
>Plenty of youkai have no interest in catching humans.
Again, do you understand what "most" means.

>The gigantic number of exceptions includes the huge part of named Touhou cast.
Chen, Rumia, Mystia, Wriggle, Remilia, Medicine, Yuuka, Letty, Murasa, Kisume, and Yamane would all be very liable to kill/eat you if they stumbled across you. And that's a pretty decent part of the Youkai cast.

>>19463453
That's a matter of belief though. It depends not on where you live. But how willing you are to accept religious dogma.

>>19463466
What do you think is going to happen when you start living in the Human Village? Even if you somehow arrive there with a skillset perfect for doing pre-industrial work. The funds to open your own shop aren't going to be just handed to you.

>>19463511
I already fucking said that, though? We barely even see humans there and a lot of Youkai.

The fuck did you get 3% chance from?

>Kogasa would definitely agree.
Considering her literal goal in existence is to jumpscare people, I'm sure she will.

>>19463496
>That's not my post. You fucking imbecile.
You retards are all the same to me.
>Put one and one together and it should be pretty obvious
From " EVERY person that ends up in Gensokyo is the fault of Yukari" and "Yukari views the outside world as Gensokyo's food supply" it does not logically follow that everyone who ends up in Gensokyo is abducted for the purpose of being eaten.
>Why else would she abduct people anyway?
Any number of reasons? Have you read the story from Yukari's POV? She's absolutely nuts.
>This has always prevented people from visiting the shrine to worship.
Already answered this above.
>That still leaves a LOT of Youkai wandering around
Define "a lot". Three man-eating bears for a large forest is a lot, but you are still extremely unlikely to encounter one there.
>You think that why?
I have no reason to think otherwise.

>>19463509

okay fine...

I hope you find your waifu or whatever you plan to do in gensokyo my dude

>>19463538
>Again, do you understand what "most" means.
Yes.
> And that's a pretty decent part of the Youkai cast.
I can give you an equally long list of youkai who wouldn't. This doesn't mean anything.

>>19463539
>We barely even see humans there
What a moron, have you even read the manga?
>The fuck did you get 3% chance from?
The fuck did you get any other number from?
>Considering her literal goal in existence is to jumpscare people
Exactly. Jumpscare, not eat.

>>19463511
>festivals are everyday

Yes, when you go camping or on a roadtrip you go outside. Such a revelation?
Thing is there's an actual reason for them to go to the Hakurei Shrine these times. There is none to go the the Garden of the Sun.

>>19463567
What is even the point of your post? Humans go outside the village regularly and in large numbers, that was conclusively proven.

>>19463570
The fact that when an outsider is transported to the Garden of the Sun he won't find shit.

The Moriya Shrine needed some cable-car, propaganda, and a small shrine in the human village to even start gathering faith from humans.

Hakurei Shrine isn't exactly that far away in comparison.

>>19463493
>A girl dies because she repeatedly goes to a place inhabited by people that view her as food.
What? Do you think it's Grimdark that you get eaten if jump into a pit of hungry lions? And me wanting people to stop viewing Gensokyo as their own personal fantasy playground does not equal me wanting Gensokyo to be a dystopian hellhole.

>You retards are all the same to me.
Same, yet i still try not to assume you are the same person. Especially when your opinions conflict.

>Have you read the story from Yukari's POV? She's absolutely nuts.
So, you think she's just insane and evil? I mean, sure. I can accept that.

>Already answered this above
You did not. Unless you want to claim that Akyuu is just wrong.

>Define "a lot".
Let's say twenty for a medium sized forest. Actively hunting for humans to catch and devour.

>I have no reason to think otherwise.
>https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Youkai
>Places likely to be encountered: Anywhere
>Times likely to be encountered: Anytime

>>19463547
>I can give you an equally long list of youkai who wouldn't.
Then actually do that.

>>19463570
1: Humans traveling around in groups are less likely to be attacked. 2: Human Villagers aren't supposed to be eaten. It can still be dangerous to go outside the village, because of more feral Youkai that aren't smart enough to care about rules. But you still won't have to worry about anything intelligent hunting you. 3: It's also been conclusively proven that going to the Hakurei Shrine is viewed as dangerous. Those two ideas do not neccesarily contradict.

>>19463597
>The Moriya Shrine needed some cable-car, propaganda, and a small shrine in the human village to even start gathering faith from humans.
Because it's located on Youkai Mountain. That's pretty extreme even by Gensokyo standards.

>Hakurei Shrine isn't exactly that far away in comparison.
Please tell me the comparative distance between the village and the shrine/mountain/garden of the sun, I've always been interested in Gensokyo geography. Don't forget to cite your sources.

>>19463599
>I have no reason to think otherwise.
>https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Youkai
>Places likely to be encountered: Anywhere
>Times likely to be encountered: Anytime

I should also add.
>Frequency of encounter: Varies
With the added mention that most places in Gensokyo have a pretty high threat level.

I think Sumireko is cute

>>19463556
Read all of it and skimmed through some of them again. Youkai-filled.
Like that other guy said anyway, these large group of people have a reason to go the Hakurei Shrine.

When the fuck did I say an exact percentage?

And I didn't say eat? I said they're born to be enemies of humanity.

>>19463599
>So, you think she's just insane and evil?
I actually do think so, not that it has anything to do with anything.
>You did not. Unless you want to claim that Akyuu is just wrong.
It's outdated canon contradicted by manga multiple times.
>Let's say twenty for a medium sized forest. Actively hunting for humans to catch and devour.
And now give me sources to support this estimate.
>Places likely to be encountered: Anywhere
>Times likely to be encountered: Anytime
This means nothing apart from stating that Youkai are so diverse there can be no general rule for when and where you can encounter one.

>>19463613
I was talking about shrines, you retard. There's literally zero purpose for a normal humie to go to the Garden of the Sun or pretty much anywhere else other than the shrines.

>>19463625
>Read all of it and skimmed through some of them again. Youkai-filled.
And no one in those huge human crowds seems to care.
>When the fuck did I say an exact percentage?
Exact percentage or rough estimate, both would be equally pulled out of your ass.
> I said they're born to be enemies of humanity.
Which doesn't mean anything.

>>19463613
Not the guy, but:

>Please tell me the comparative distance between the village and the shrine/mountain/garden of the sun, I've always been interested in Gensokyo geography. Don't forget to cite your sources.
Well, it has been mentioned that there is some distance between the Hakurei Shrine and the Human village. If the Youkai mountain CAN'T be seen from the Human Village, which i'm pretty sure it can't. Then it has to be a pretty big distance away. No clue about the garden of the sun.

>>19463655
>If the Youkai mountain CAN'T be seen from the Human Village
Is there a source for this? It's a huge fucking mountain, it should be seen from literally anywhere in Gensokyo.

The game sure looks good, huh.

>>19463671
It looks kinda shit to be honest. Very jarring colors, at least to me.

>>19463652
>huge human crowds
?
Other than the oni-out party most don't have this "large human crowd", as far as I can remember.
>out of your ass
kek
Are you daft? Most locations in PMiSS have medium-high threat levels was my argument. That's an estimate made in canon, unlike yours.

It means that almost all of them exist to kill and terrorize humanity.

>>19463599
>Unless you want to claim that Akyuu is just wrong.
When talking about Akuu, remember that she has a clear motive (explicitly stated by her in FS) to describe Youkai as more threatening than they really are.

Touhou 16.5: VD
It stands for venereal disease ww

>>19459996
>The aim of the game is to take pictures of psychic powers and danmaku to post onto social networks for glory
Yo, It's your girl SUMI here taking pictures of youkai DANMAKU

#gensokyo #danmaku #youkai #cockroaches

>>19463685
>Other than the oni-out party most don't have this "large human crowd", as far as I can remember.
Picrelated is the first that I remembered offhand, there are plenty of others.
>Most locations in PMiSS have medium-high threat levels was my argument.
It doesn't tell us anything about an actual probability of the attack. Like I said, 3% is high in my opinion.
>It means that almost all of them exist to kill and terrorize humanity.
It does not say anything about a proportion of them who are actually physically dangerous.

>>19463637
>I actually do think so, not that it has anything to do with anything.
I think it's a valid point. I can accept the idea that Yukari also just abducts some people because she's crazy and evil. Not just because Youkai got to eat.

>It's outdated canon contradicted by manga multiple times.
It doesn't have to be a contradiction. If Reimu throws a festival, she might escort people. Or they might travel around in a large group. Which would make Youkai less likley to attack.

>And now give me sources to support this estimate.
Most places in Gensokyo have the threat rating of medium or higher. And the bamboo forest, which is "only" medium, is pretty heavily populated by Youkai. So, you can assume that "medium" would imply a decent chance of encountering Youkai.

>This means nothing apart from stating that Youkai are so diverse there can be no general rule for when and where you can encounter one.
What it means is that you can encounter a Youkai anywhere and anyplace. And since MOST Youkai would eat a caught outsider. I don't think those odds are particularly favorable.

People actually believe Gensokyo is a real place you can go to? Incels are so sad. Cringe!

>>19463336
Power fantasy is different from wish fulfillment, which is what you're talking about. Wish fulfillment being seeing the impossible, experiencing the weird or unknown, having fun with things and using your imagination. Power fantasy is "oh boy I wish I was all-powerful", which is meh.
>that actually encourages
So, most fiction? That's not exclusive to isekai, and isekai is more about power fantasies.

>>19463666
>Is there a source for this? It's a huge fucking mountain, it should be seen from literally anywhere in Gensokyo.
Again, i don't think we've ever seen a shot of the Human Village with Youkai mountain in the background. If i'm wrong, please, correct me.

>>19462511
shouldve posted her "legs"

>>19463689
Yes. But i don't think she could lie about something like "The road to the Hakurei Shrine is dangerous". That would be common knowledge in the village if true.

>>19463702
>It does not say anything about a proportion of them who are actually physically dangerous.
Again, we already know that. MOST of them are dangerous, if you're a outsider.

>It doesn't tell us anything about an actual probability of the attack. Like I said, 3% is high in my opinion.
Well, what else do you think threat level means? Chance to break your leg and fall into a river?

austism

>>19462649
seig zeon??

>>19463708
>I can accept the idea that Yukari also just abducts some people because she's crazy and evil.
I think she can abduct people because she finds someone interesting. Or because she thought it would be funny. Or because she forgot to adjuct the barrier. Or whatever.
> If Reimu throws a festival, she might escort people. Or they might travel around in a large group.
We don't see the first happening, like, ever, and we know that people regularly come to Hakurei shrine by themselves too (Kosuzu, Akuu, that random villager from whatever chapter of FS). Kosuzu certainly treats going to Hakurei shrine alone like no big deal.
>And the bamboo forest, which is "only" medium, is pretty heavily populated by Youkai.
Define heavily populated. Also, youkai rabbits are not exactly the most threatening of youkai.
>What it means is that you can encounter a Youkai anywhere and anyplace.
Yes, but without knowing the probability, it's meaningless information. A meteorite can fall on your head anywhere and anytime, but I don't think you are too concerned.

>>19463685
It's this cunt again

Human and Youkai should just get along

>>19463712
>Again, i don't think we've ever seen a shot of the Human Village with Youkai mountain in the background.
I don't remember any shots of human village where you can see the horion, t b h.

>>19463702
The best part is that they didn't even know that Hata no Kokoro was a Menreiki.
But I give this argument to the other guy anyway; I'll give you the walkway to the Hakurei Shrine, but there is zero reason to go anywhere outside of the Village other than the shrines.

Does anyone actually expect it to have a specific percentage or data? This is all the evidence we have and it points to most places being dangerous.
And then we remember PMiSS was talking about human villager chances and not Outsiders, that probability becomes higher.

I'd say if an existence exists just to be against you that enough evidence as it is, but you won't budge.

>>19463725
Are you deliberately being obtuse? The word "dangerous" doesn't mean anything by itself. Riding a bike without a helmet is dangerous.

>>19463599
How about you stop trying to make everyone conform to your bullshit? You might as well start namefagging as michael bay at this point, since you want grimsokyo to be no different from the average hollywood dumpster fire, with your srs bsnss no-fun-allowed shit.

>>19462981
I don't think most of /jp/ would hate a character who's a dorky chuuni that likes social media because she reminds them of themselves. If anything that would make this place want to bully her even more.
Or at least I've chosen to believe that the current /jp/ still doesn't like social networks despite the ever-increasing amount of normalfag shit I see every day.

>>19463736
>Rabbit Youkai are not threatening.

I've been avoiding the conversation, but Youkai Rabbits seem pretty darn threatening considering they're working on trying to control the human village and the fact that they were practically tortured to existence by Tewi's shenanigans.

>>19463744
>there is zero reason to go anywhere outside of the Village other than the shrines
First example that comes to mind: rice fields outside the village.
Second example: Kappa stuff near the river, like the planetarium or the sea beast show thing in WaHH.
>This is all the evidence we have and it points to most places being dangerous.
"Dangerous" doesn't mean anything by itself.

>>19463761
That sounds like a lot of people I know. Don't be racist against Youkai Rabbits, plz.

>>19463751
True, but with all things context matters.

PMiSS is talking about man-eating monsters, not a bike.

>>19463624
me too

>>19463773
Yes, and an 1 in 100 chance to encounter a man-eating monster sounds incredibly dangerous to me.

>>19463785
Just learn magic to make em fuck off

Easy shit

>>19463789
That's my plan.

>>19463766
>Rice fields outside the village
That's so... far away?
You might as well say the gate of the human village.

For the Kappa stuff, we don't know how far those are. And it's most probably not in Youkai Mountain considering it's, well, youkai mountain.

>"Dangerous" doesn't mean anything by itself.
whew
Good thing it's not by itself, then.

>>19463710
Power fantasies are a form of wish fulfilment. Usually more about having more power than the people around you. Rather than presenting a setting that you want to go, or a situation you want to be in. James bond is a classic example of such a power fantasy.

>So, most fiction?
No, not at all. There is often an element of wish fulfilment in a lot of fiction. But "I wish this happened to me!" Or "I wish I was this character!" is rarely if ever the intended audience reaction.

>>19463796
>And it's most probably not in Youkai Mountain considering it's, well, youkai mountain.
Seems to be nearby, if it's the same spot from where they operate the cable car.
>Good thing it's not by itself, then.
It is. Probability-wise, you cannot even establish the order of magnitude.

>>19463785
You do realize that there are literal paragraphs explaining why its dangerous afterwards, right?

>>19463739
Byakuren should teach all the humans magic so they can defend themselves.

>>19463823
1) They do not give us the actual probability of encounter
2) Akuu is explicitly biased towards making the danger seem bigger than it actually is.

>>19463801
It's a form, but not the only kind, and most fiction does cater to what the audience wants to see or read or play, but doesn't mean they want to directly partake in it. Just because someone plays gta so they can go around and just wreak havoc, doesn't mean they want to be that person, doing that, just like wanting to experience a story, doesn't mean you want to take part in it. It's still wish fulfillment. God, you read like a pretentious prick, and a massive attention whore.

Thankfully enough nobody's going to give a single shit about everything discussed in this thread at the end of the day, regardless of who wins the argument.

>>19463813
If it's near the cable car then that makes sense.
Because, you know, that's practically the same road to a shrine.

Probability wise, it's hard to know if you'll die if you slit your wrists.
Everything is hard to know "probability-wise", even if you're talking about game drop rates.

Again. there is more evidence pointing that shit will kill you out there especially as an outsider rather than the latter. It might not be fact, but it's a more logical conclusion.

>>19463852
Well, I'll still give a shit about the new Touhou game!

Also now you know why Grimsokyofag is universally hated in 2hu-related areas of 4chan.

>>19463859
If only most people could realize that the only way to stop autistic arguing like this is simply not replying. Let the other side win as many autism trophies as they want, there's no point in trying to prove you're right.

>>19463853
>there is more evidence pointing that shit will kill you out there especially as an outsider rather than the latter
No. There is evidence that as an outsider you'd be in mortal danger. But being in mortal danger does not imply tht your chance of dying is over 50%, or even remotely close to that. In combat in Syria or Iraq, your chances of dying are significantly less than that (unless you are a suicide bomber, lol) but everyone will still rightly say that being in combat is incredibly dangerous. Because it is, compared to ordinary life.

>>19463836
So if someone said "in that house lives a murderer", you ask "what's the probability of me getting murdered if I go inside the house?".

>>19463801
Just because it's presented as a power fantasy, doesn't mean it is, either. You can watch James Bond, but root for his enemies the entire time, you can watch it and just enjoy the fiction as a spectator, not imagining yourself in that role or how cool it'd be to be in that role, but it's still wish fulfillment, you wish to see an interesting story, you wish that the villians will take him down, you wish to be a secret agent, whatever it is, it's still wish fulfillment.

>>19463878
If someone said "in that city lives a murderer", you ask "what's the probability of me getting murdered if I go inside that city?".

The answer is yes.

>>19463868
Words of wisdom, anon.

>>19463884
No, the density is severely different.

A better comparison would be "That city's population are all murderers".
In Gensokyo's case, "That domain is owned by man-eating monsters".

Since, you know, normal humans almost don't exist outside of the human village and shrines. In comparison to a city full of normal people and one murderer, not exactly an apt comparison when you're talking about some forest filled with nothing but dangerous shit.

>>19463911
>No, the density is severely different.
Prove it. Show me the numbers on the density of youkai population, adjusted for the fact that not all of them attack humans, and not all of those who attack humans kil lthem.

If you replace Gensokyo with an ordinary medieval village, I can say the same - humans live in the village only, and the woods outside are inhabited by wolves and such. It still doesn't mean that going outside is particularly dangreous.

>>19463709
Hey, if heaven or hell could be a really place, so could Gensokyo.

>>19463911
Gensokyo is inhabited mostly by fairies.

>>19463736
>Or whatever.
You're saying she's crazy and evil. Or at least, that she has a incredibly twisted sense of humour. Either way, i'm fine with it.

>We don't see the first happening, like, ever, and we know that people regularly come to Hakurei shrine by themselves too (Kosuzu, Akuu, that random villager from whatever chapter of FS). Kosuzu certainly treats going to Hakurei shrine alone like no big deal.
Again. I don't think that necessarily has to contradict with the earlier lore. Just because it's, somewhat mistakenly, perceived as dangerously does not mean it's impossible.

I do, btw, actually think that Akyuu was deliberately exaggerating when she wrote that bit. Especially considering Human Villagers aren't actually at risk of being hunted by Youkai anymore. But i do still think it can't be completely dismissed out of hand. Especially when it comes to how dangerous Gensokyo would be for a outsider. Who are hunted.

>Define heavily populated.
>In addition, beasts who became youkai prefer to live in this bamboo forest. It is certainly not a place normal humans should visit
Beast Youkai are apparently common enough that there is a legitimate risk when running away from one that you'll stumble across another one.

>Also, youkai rabbits are not exactly the most threatening of youkai.
One was pretty eager to eat Maribel in her dream. Or, at the very least, interested in catching her.

>Yes, but without knowing the probability
The probability varies depending on the location. But considering how it's already a pretty big risk in places with a medium threat level. I would say the risk is obviously there.

>>19463751
I was talking about "dangerous" in the context of supernatural monsters. If a Youkai catches you, there is a better than average chance that you'll soon become intimately familiar with its digestive system.

>>19463753
How about you stop acting like anybody that acts like Gensokyo isn't literally heaven wants to destroy Touhou?

>>19463755
Some people don't like being shown themselves though. Just look at /a/ and /v/.

>>19463772
It's not racism, anon. Those rabbits are KILLERS.

>>19463939
>But i do still think it can't be completely dismissed out of hand.
I don't think it should be dismissed out of hand. I just think that the idea that most outsiders get eaten is not founded in canon and is, frankly, silly.
> But considering how it's already a pretty big risk in places with a medium threat level.
I'll be very interested to see what "pretty big risk" means. Is it 50%? 10%? 1%? 0,01%? With source quotes, please.

>>19463789
>Just learn magic.
If it was that simple. Every farmer in Gensokyo would be a magician.

>>19463939
>How about you stop acting like anybody that acts like Gensokyo isn't literally heaven wants to destroy Touhou?
ZUN literally called Gensokyo an utopia.
Reimu is literally called a shrine maiden of Paradise.
Waiting for canon counter-quotes.

>>19463964
It is that simple, but the villagers are backwards and expel magicians

>>19463983
What assholes.

>>19463851
>It's a form, but not the only kind, and most fiction does cater to what the audience wants to see or read or play,
But what the audience wants to see is not necessarily what the audience wants to experience. There is a huge difference between watching a action movie and wanting to be a character in a action movie.

>Just because someone plays gta so they can go around and just wreak havoc, doesn't mean they want to be that person, doing that, just like wanting to experience a story, doesn't mean you want to take part in it. It's still wish fulfillment.
The GTA example is somewhat of a power fantasy. As are a lot of Video Games, simply because you have a lot of power in them. But wanting to experience a story is not the same thing as wish fulfillment.

>>19463868
I would actually be perfectly fine with that. At least then, people won't throw a temper tantrum every time i point out that Gensokyo isn't a perfect Utopia.

>>19463926
Wolves don't exist to fuck humans over. Meanwhile, beasts will turn into a Youkai for the sole reason of "they ate a human".

One. ONE rogue and retarded dog youkai was able to kill off several human villagers before she was wrecked by Kasen in Oriental Sacred Palace.
Youkai aren't normal animals, you realize. They're magic fucks capable of scurrying around an entire area swiftly.

Most named 2hu youkai are dangerous to humans, too.
I never said I'm dealing with facts here; I'm saying one makes more sense than the other.

>>19463971
Gensokyo is called Pseudo-Paradise.

Not to mention it was never explicitly stated whose paradise it's for, anyway. Since it was made for Youkai, it's more likely for them.

>>19463879
There is a difference between escapist fiction and wish fulfillment. There's also a massive difference between wish fulfillment and audience investment. Stop trying to devalue words.

>>19463772
You know people that's been tortured to existence?

That's, uh, odd.

>>19464011
You'd spend your time a lot more productively if you tried to prove that water is wet.

I expect Sumi thread and I got you faggots feeding that Undertale faggot with dopamine rush. You guys seriously need an anal probe preferably from inexperienced Reisen.

>>19464071
well I mean
Water by itself is not wet.


have mercy

>>19464106
I think it's over, you can go back to talking about sniffing Sumi's socks or whatever.

>>19463932
Sure you can go there by killing yourself. Trust me, it works. Just fucking jump off a bridge. Do it.

Phantasm stage against Hecatia and Marisabomination

A thread about a game announcement being derailed by the same repetitive stupid arguments is /v/-tier trash. I expected more from you /jp/.

sumireko is very popular among /v/ users!

>>19463962
>I just think that the idea that most outsiders get eaten is not founded in canon and is, frankly, silly.
Youkai eating people is founded in canon. Outsiders being okay to eat is founded in canon. Most outsiders that are caught by humans being eaten is canon. What exactly makes it so hard to for you to accept that most outsiders that enter Gensokyo are eaten by Youkai? Like, what do you think happens when a Youkai, who regardless of how many there are in Gensokyo do still vastly outnumber Humans, finds a outsider?

>I'll be very interested to see what "pretty big risk" means. Is it 50%? 10%? 1%? 0,01%? With source quotes, please.
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense/Bamboo_Forest_of_the_Lost
>In addition, beasts who became youkai prefer to live in this bamboo forest. It is certainly not a place normal humans should visit

Like, when you see a DANGER! sign. Do you ask yourself "Well, how big is the chance that something bad is going to happen to me?" No, you just turn the fuck around before something bad happens to you. A medium threat is the Gensokyo equivalent of a DANGER! sign.

>>19463971
>ZUN literally called Gensokyo an utopia.
Source?

>Reimu is literally called a shrine maiden of Paradise.
It is a paradise, for Youkai. Which you aren't allowed to become. The title is supposed to be ironic, like Marisa being a "ordinary" magician.

>>19463983
Yeah. Just look at the way they treat Marisa and Alice!

>>19464139
I don't care, I still like her.

>>19464139
/v/ hates her a lot more than /jp/ does.

>>19464119
No, I'm the only person allowed to sniff Sumi's socks.

>>19464071
The sad part is that you're right. Yet still, like a fool, i try.

>>19464155
Fine. I will sniff her panties then.

Always found it odd that some people can think Gensokyo is some perfect paradise when the first two things ZUN made in the Windows era was people getting murdered one by one and a bunch of girls repeatedly asking to eat you.

Oh well.

StB v3 looks great, by the way. Since Piece is on the moon and Nemuno in that place, very likely there's some time-travel shit involved with her dreams this time around.

>>19464143
*Most outsiders that are caught by Youkai being eaten is canon.

>>19464171
I don't think anyone thinks Gensokyo is literally Heaven (which incidentally exists in Touhou universe too). Being dangerous is what separates genuine adventure from a fucking theme park. People just don't like it when Undertard and others like him (meaning, joyless literal autists who hate nice things) exaggerate this danger

>>19464150
but sumireko it's literally /v/

>>19464188
Just skimmed the conversation and there's a guy that said Touhou is prime wish-fulfillment.
I'd say there's a lot considering the amount of secondaries and the ones in it just for le cute grils and know nothing else about it.

Touhou being grimdark is retarded, but Gensokyo is pretty darn dangerous all things considered.

It's pretty absurd to imagine a place where you're eating yakitori and you know the girl serving it might eat your face at any moment.

>>19464188
>People just don't like it when Undertard and others like him (meaning, joyless literal autists who hate nice things) exaggerate this danger
Exaggerate the danger how? Nobody is saying literally every outsider that ends up in Gensokyo is killed. What people are saying is that if a Youkai finds them, there is a better than average chance that they'll be eaten. That there are a lot more Youkai than humans in Gensokyo. And that because of those two factors, most outsiders that end up in Gensokyo are at serious risk of becoming Youkai food.

The worst thing anybody said is that it's a death sentence. And, yeah, I do think Yukari generally doesn't expect the people she spirits away to come back alive.

>>19464232
>It's pretty absurd to imagine a place where you're eating yakitori and you know the girl serving it might eat your face at any moment.
Well, there's probably a reason she doesn't. Anyway, not much different from eating street food in a bad neighborhood and knowing you might get stabbed or something.

>>19464244
Fuck off, Undertard.

>>19464232
>It's pretty absurd to imagine a place where you're eating yakitori and you know the girl serving it might eat your face at any moment.
To be fair, i doubt most villagers would worry about that. The Youth of the Human Village, at least, is apparently pretty fond of her music. So i doubt they view her as the terror of the night.

Not sure how she would deal with outsiders while running her stand. I like to think she would actually let them go if they can pay for the food. But if you don't happen to have any cash with you. You are probably screwed.