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>>19450618
Hell if I know, Maybe ask Yukari to gap you to Gensokyo, just hope you don't eater by Youkai.

>>19450646
How do you get in touch with Yukari?

>>19450773

>>19450618
Hang yourself
They're waiting

>>19450618
Just like snort all the drugs you can and you’ll be there in no time

>>19450787
Fuck, if i could i would.
>>19450782
Thanks, Cirno.

the only way to pass through the barrier is if youre the type of person who deserves to get through
its not something that can be taught or explained

>>19450618
you need to give up on your dream of going to gensokyo for you will never reach it.

>>19450618
You can travel to Gensokyo in your dreams. Didn't you read WaHH?

>>19450618
It’s difficult, but not impossible.
What you need to understand first of all is that Yukari’s powers, the manipulation of boundaries, are not unique. They can be learned. The existence of boundaries between anything is a matter of perception and, collectively, of consensus, both of which are malleable even for mere humans.

The boundary surrounding Gensokyo is one of the purest kind, that between phenomena and noumena. To break through it and gain access means you have to let go of every mode of thought, understanding, cognition, and reasoning that is based on natural and symbolic languages and step outside the vast system of signifiers through which we comprehend our own world. Until you can do that, you’re stuck dreaming. Studying Chaos Magick may have some useful tools, or taking DMT. I can’t say I’ve tried either though because I’d rather not risk madness. I imagine it’s very hard and you’ll be up against a youkai who’s had over a millennium perfecting this craft. However, she needs to be able to keep it up all the time, you only need to get lucky once, and you’re in!

Or you can make a good offering at the Hakurei shrine, if you can find it.

>>19450618
If you are actually serious your best shot is to learn how to lucid dream and travel to Gensokyo (it works)

>>19453606
This.

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>>>19453854 It worked! Sorry to test post here but I wanted to see if I could still post on ps3 internet browser. It was blocked for a year but if I disable the 2007 java I can post on comfy ps3. Sorry about the blog but this is pretty trippy to do. Anyway,
>What are ways to get to Gensokyo that work? Anyone over there browsing here?
I second lucid dreaming, I only did it once, but if I could dream of going to the Yakitori stand I would be a happy anon forever .

19453854- It worked! Sorry to test post here but I wanted to see if I could still post on ps3 internet browser. It was blocked for a year but if I disable the 2007 java I can post on comfy ps3. Sorry about the blog but this is pretty trippy to do. Anyway,
>What are ways to get to Gensokyo that work? Anyone over there browsing here?
I second lucid dreaming, I only did it once, but if I could dream of going to the Yakitori stand I would be a happy anon forever .

I would be very interested to know if anyone’s been to Gensokyo by lucid dreaming. Even if you think that your mind has fabricated the experience by itself, and that you’ve been in complete control. There is after all a difference between actually being in control and feeling as though you are.

Its ideas like Gensokyo that have this uncanny ability of conjuring themselves into reality. With every new published Touhou game and every derivative fan work it becomes gradually more real, and what could be more real than a dream? Am I making sense? Take the internet for example, would it have happened and evolved in the way it has without cyberpunk fiction? Is Gensokyo the same? Does it want to be found? Maybe it’s too fantastical, too farfetched, well I say that anything’s possible. The world around us is getting stranger by the day, by the hour.

>>19450797
You can't snort marijuana.

>>19454461
Wall of text incoming, sorry for the mistakes I am not an English fag

I have been to Gensokyo 3 times in my dreams, 2 of them where when i started the process to lucid dream (dream journal and shit) so it wasn't 100% lucid, in the first one i was on the Bamboo Forest of the Lost when i saw Eirin she aproched me and we went to Eientei and had a talk about science and stuff after what felt like an hour she told me that it was time for me to go and i inmedietly woke up after that.

The second time was the day after that, same as before not 100% lucidity. At first I was in front of some mountain (Youkai Mountain perhaps?) but after 5 seconds everything went pitch black for like a 10 seconds and I appeared on a cage, then Yukari walked into the room and we had a talk about why I was in Gensokyo and how did I get trough the barrier 2 times in a row, I told her that I was dreaming after that she "relaxed" and we talked a lot about different topics, after 30 minutes (or maybe more) she said it was time to go and I woke up after that

And lastly I wasn't able to get to Gensokyo in about 3 months, but one night I got full lucidity and tried to go, once I arrive it felt so fucking different from before the wind, the birbs, the people, everything was so fuking real, but since I got to exited I lost control of the dream and woke up

>>19457160
羨ましい! I need a dream of Yukarin, I slept in all day the last few days trying to, but to no avail.

>>19457160
Brilliant, simply brilliant. How fortunate you were not just to visit but also to speak with two of its biggest-brained residents. Thank you so much for sharing it, I understand these experiences are quite personal and talking about them can feel weird. I assure I don't wish to judge, I'm just very curious.

I have several questions, I would be extremely grateful if you can answer but I understand if you cannot:

1.1. In your fist dream you were able to identify that you were in the Bamboo Forest and Eientei. Was this because you recognised their appearances, or did you "just know" like, a-priori? Do you remember their appearances, were they mostly similar or different in some ways from their normal depictions?

1.2. Likewise for Eirin, how did you know it was her? Do you remember anything of her appearance or her demeanour?

1.3. You spoke with Erin about science and stuff, do you remember any particular topics or other details of the conversation? Were you taught anything new or did it seem familiar to you? If you don't remember any details do you remember feeling as though you learned something?

2.1. In you second dream you mention you "appeared on a cage" did you really mean "on a cage" meaning "on top of a cage", or "in a cage" meaning "inside a cage"?

2.2. Again, how did you know it was Yukari? Do you remember her appearance or demeanour?

2.3. The most interesting part of your account is that Yukari "relaxed" after you disclosed that you entered through a dream (perhaps assuring her that your stay would be temporary and short, or at least could be made so?). You put "relaxed" in quotes, can you describe more the changes you sensed in Yukari after you told her you were dreaming?

2.4. You continued to talk to Yukari for about 30 minutes about different topics. Do you remember what any of these were? Again, did you learn anything or even just feel like you learned something?

3.1. In your last dream where you were fully lucid, you say everything seemed different and so real. Can you explain more exactly how it felt different? Were things more vivid? Did you recognise more or less? The people for example, did any seem familiar?

>>19458144
I could try to translate my dream journal entries about those dream and post them if you want.

1.1 So first of all I have read a lot about Touhou lore so I think that plays a big part on the identifying part, I also remember the Perfect Memento in Strict Sense description of it very clearly, so once I was in the dream (the lucidity I had was like I know its a dream but I can't control it just do things that I can do in IRL) the first thing I see is Bamboo,a whole lot of it, as I start to walk the scenery is just more Bamboo so I start to think where I could be, once I tough about being in Gensokyo, the fact that I was in the Bamboo Forest of the Lost made a lot of sense, this was confirmed once I saw Eirin, as for Eientei I deducted that we were going there because I was with her and to my knowledge she almost never lefts Eientei, it looked like a mansion (looking from the outside), I don't remember seeing any bunnies (that includes Reisen and Tei), once we were inside she led me to a Guest room (which was super big) and there we started talking, on the way to the guest's room I could see that the insides were very clean and that every so often there where some plants and some paintings, as for the guest room it had some kind of weird thing that acted like a campfire in the middle of the room (I don't even know how to describe it) and it had some pillows to sit around it, after that I didn't pay more attention to the room because we started talking. (I will answer more of your question in about an hour, for now I have to leave)

>>19458144
1.2 I knew it was Eirin because of her looks, the long silver/white hair with her large braid and her clothing red/blue gave it away, that end my assumption that I was on Gensokyo, aside from physical appearance she had like an "aura", I felt it when I got closer to her, it was like she was different like more classy and royalty than the way she looks, she seemed like super smart I didn't even ask her anything and yet it was like she "stood out" by just standing, something that I found very weird was seeing her without her hat, anyway going back to the genius like aura it felt like when I used to talk to my science teacher (I was really into science stuff) so like admiration, superior knowledge that I could get, I was so impatient to talk to her and try get to know more of her and the Yagokoro medicine, I wanted to test her that's the way I felt when I saw her like "she is so fucking great", also the way she acted was very calm, like she had everything under control and already calculated.

1.3 After we sat down I the first thing I did was to give her an equation to see how fast she could do it I wrote one on a paper (I have no idea where I got it) and gave it to her, she gave it back to me in like 5 seconds with a written answer (not jus x=b or some shit like that), her writing was messy but elegant at the same time, after that we just talked briefly about various topics (botany, the use of natural herbs in medicine,and I don't remember anymore), one that stood out was about how to transport medicine (pills) on paper, I told her that in the outside world they use bottles to transport pills and sell them, she taught me how to transport pills on paper without the risk of them falling out or getting dirty, to do that I had to fold the paper in a certain way (I don't know if this actually works IRL because I haven't tried it but if could probably work), we also talked about eyebrows and eyelashes and the function of them on the daily life, and lastly we talked about time, how it works why sometimes it feel like its running slower or faster and then she told me that the hour 06:50 was important, after that I woke up at exactly 06:50 (no alarm or noise, nothing at all).

2.1 Yes, I literary meant on top of the cage, the trapdoor to open it was at the top of it too, so it was like if did something bad I would probably get thrown in.

2.2 Well while I was alone in the room I began to think, who could just kidnap me with no effort at all and why?, I quickly came to a conclusion that Yukari could do that fairly easily and that she definitely would like to know how someone go to the barrier two times in so little time, when she walked into the room I immediately knew it was her I couldn't see her at first but she had an "aura" just like Eirin but this time was totally different, like when in a anime or manga the villain walks in and the ones in the room just freeze because he is way more powerful than them, they literally can't move or do anything, that's how I felt like if I do a wrong move or say something that will make her angry I'm fucking dead, it was like she was observing every single thing I did as she walked in like if I blinked two times instead of one she knew it was so anxious and my hearth felt like it was about to explode, after she got in front of the cage the lights of the room turned on (some weird ass candles) and I could see her, unlike Eirin she had her hat on,her long blond hair and her purple dress, she also had her red ribbons.

2.3 Basically after I told her that I was dreaming, I didn't sense the "move and i'll gap you to a horrible death" aura, I could relax, I wasn't anxious anymore, my hearth rate got lower and she became more talkative seemed to be more interested on me, I didn't feel that every movement was begin observed and it felt like the tension in the room just left.

I will do 2.4 and 3.1 later

>>19458584
>>19459139
This is a very important question. Real world anatomy especially regarding facial features is vastly different than they are in anime or not to delve further, ZUN art. When you saw all those 2hu, Yukari, Eirin, how were their facial features? Did you see them in their standard anime-like feature or even ZUN feature? Or did you see them like regular human beings, maybe there are more details like caucasoid, asiatic, negroid, etc

>>19459139
While I eagerly await your other responses, I am already humbled by your generosity in giving these answers. I trust that yours is a truthful account but I would not even be upset if you were making all this up, you’ve still taken the time to write all this so once again, thank you.

In return I feel it proper to try and explain exactly why I’m curious about this. Unfortunately I’ve not got the time right now go into it, it’s something I need to think carefully about for it not to (hopefully) sound like nonsense.

>>19463855
Take you time,. when you are finish with your thought be sure to write them down.

I can confirm that suicide works.

>>19458144
2.4 I don't really remember the topics but I do remember the last one, same as the last time it was about time and that's all I remember sorry (I don't think it means anything but when I woke up I was happy).

3.1 The "everything is more real" feel its a common thing about 100% lucid dream since you have full control you can think and observe the little details as in how the ground feels when you walk, how the breeze hits your skin and stuff like that, as for the people you can see more details in their clothes and more facial features and such, yes it felt even more vivid but I couldn't recognize anyone (the dream was super short because I got to excited and woke up).

As a side note one thing that I find about the first dream is the fact that Eirin took me to Eientei, like I would have expected her to be like "oh walk straight forward to the south and in about 10 minutes you will be out of the Bamboo Forest", it gave me the feeling like it actually was "I should stop this dude from exploring Gensokyo so I will take him to Eientei and wait till he goes", which would make sense since probably as soon as I got trough the barrier Yukari was already aware but since she saw Eirin had everything under control she didn't do anything, still that's just me speculating, it may as well be nothing (which is even more weird since it was a dream Eirin should have acted as I thought she would act?).

>>19459779
It was weird, frankly I don't remember their faces to well but it was like a mix of an anime face with a regular person's face, if I saw someone like that right now I would think everything is fine but still they had this anime feel attached to them.

>>19463909
Thank you for your hard work.

>>19459139
How come you didn’t write down all of the details when talking to Eirin and Yukari?? Weren’t you supposed to write dream journal amd all that shit religiously?? Maybe for the sake of all of us, you can try making the paper medicine vessel and take photos to confirm everything?? Also do they have canon big tits?? Arigatou

>>19469782
I didn't write some details because I didn't remember them, this was back when I first started trying to lucid dream so my dream recall wasn't that good (no like its much better now, for example I can't remember for the life of me what I dreamed last night), as for the medicine thingy I can't make it since I don't remember every step and I didn't write the process on the journal, also even if I had done it when it comes down to making stuff with my hands its like I'm retarded, my capacities for doing handwork are fuckin zero, the paper container looked like pic related, I got the image from a Chinese site the translated description was "Easy bag white laminating paper bag, can be heat sealed, 7x8cm medicine plant tea bag" so I guess that's gonna be as close as we get, their tits weren't as big as some fanart or the boobhus threads make them out to be, nor were they flat, from my point of view I would say they were big (I guess you should also take into consideration that I'm a big guy between 6'5 and 6'6 (I have no clue how amerifags do their conversions, but around 197cm)

Just kill yourself!

>>19465206
>>19472348
Thank you, what follows is long (sorry) but I hope not too boring.

In reading your responses, three things stood out for me:
The fact you met Eirin and Yukari,
The fact that Eirin was accommodating while Yukari initially appeared hostile,
and perhaps most interestingly,
The fact you spoke to both of them about time.

I won’t interrogate you further. I am now convinced that Gensokyo is real, and I don’t mean in a vaporous mystical bullshit kind of way or a distant somewhere-in-the-multiverse-of-all-possibilities way. It’s both substantial, and close. I hope I can (if you weren’t already) convince you that it’s real too.

Firstly, the following posts are me.
>>19453569
>>19454461
>>19458144
>>19463855
The first I wrote because I thought at first that we were pretending in this thread and it seemed a bit of fun. In hindsight I think it was a little irresponsible, in reality I would never encourage anyone to practice any occult magic or take DMT.

Once on the subject of lucid dreaming however I figured we were on to something. I’ve long been interested but I have never really lucid-dreamed, and if I have they were nightmares. My wife however is a natural lucid dreamer. She suffered insomnia and ended up, until a few years back, doing it constantly since childhood as it was the only way she could sleep - by making up stories that would become dreams. She read tons of sci-fi and fantasy and her dreams were usually set in those worlds. She once told me “I can’t imagine why anyone would want to lucid dream, it’s such hard work! I’d rather just sleep.” Regardless, it was a big part of her life and got her through some extremely tough times. All that’s to say I have a lot of respect for anyone who can lucid dream, and takes dreams seriously. Because of the effect they can have on us I take them as much as a part of reality as anything experienced waking.

I would like to share with you some some ideas that I got by reading a now defunct group of scholars calling themselves the Cybernetic Culture Research Unit. They were sort of like a Bloomsbury Group of nerds into sci-fi and Lovecraftian horror. The things they wrote I found pretty extraordinary and I can honestly say that they’ve (indirectly) convinced me to stay in church more than any preacher.

I will apologise now if this sort of thing has already been talked about before, I’ve only been posting on /jp for a few days and I’ve already seen a thread comparing Touhou characters to Lovecraftian deities, for example.

I would also like to be clear that I don’t mean to make fun of you or anyone else in this thread. I genuinely appreciate all the contributions. I assure you that my thoughts that follow are sincere - they are deliberately fanciful but I am serious about the message.

It is over 10 years since I first got into Touhou and I’m astonished that the fan dedication and production of materials has not once seemed to abate. Now I read your excellent dream account which adds a whole new dimension. There is real evidence of a growing hyperstition in the fandom.

Hyperstition is the thing that snowballs ideas into beliefs and beliefs into realities. It’s fundamental to the progression of history, technology and perhaps even to the concept of *time* itself. I alluded to it in the second paragraph of my second post, using the internet as an example. The engine of hyperstition is desire, not the desire of “lack” but the creative, productive desire that expands, replicates, agglomerates and resonates. Dreams are important because it’s where knowledge crystallises and where this type of desire takes hold, and otaku culture is chock-full of it. Just think in Touhou alone of the explosion of creativity, canon, fanon, art, music, fiction etc. that has occurred since ZUN first sat down at his computer and wrote the first game. The adoration, the love of the fans screaming “why can’t she be real?” well be careful what you wish for! Where there’s a will there’s way and besides, what does it mean to be real today where everyone’s getting glued to smartphones reading personalised ads and fake news? Where everything down to the earth beneath your feet is getting measured, recorded, enumerated and archived. What’s coming? VR? AI? Simstim? Nanotech butterfly dream pills? The truth is we’ve not seen anything yet, not even close. Gensokyo is real, it’s on it’s way from the future and it’s arriving fast.

Yukari knows this well, desire is THE force that dissolves boundaries. She’s preparing. Does she tremble? I doubt.

How much of a hand do you suppose ZUN has really had, in summoning Touhou into the world? There is a line in the John Carpenter movie In The Mouth of Madness, “I thought I was making it up but all the time They were telling me what to write!”

It isn’t we who threaten Gensokyo with invasion, it is they who threaten us.

>>19474828
Thank you for your response Anon, that was a very interesting read, I will proceed to tell you about two other dreams that I had regarding Gensokyo (I didn't mention them before because in the first one I don't have 100% proof that I was there and in the second one I was just there as a "spectator" I couldn't, move it was like watching a movie but from the I'm inside), and about some smaller ones that I almost have no entries on my journal and no recall at all.

So this is the dream that I cannot prove that I was in Gensokyo, I appeared inside a house (I have no clue where, I would bet on human village but I'm not really sure) as I looked trough the window I could see some other houses and a green area (it was like a mountain that started to became a forest as you looked further), I decided to get out of the house and explore, but the moment I opened the door and get out, I'm not there anymore (I immediately thought about Okina), then I was inside another room and as I open the door to exit again, I got to another room and just like that, trapped in an endless loop.

Now this is interesting because of an entry I have on my dream journal that says the following "Every dream that I had that is changing constantly are also bound to change when I go to another room, or better said "when I go trough a door",this seems to be a recurring thing in my dreams that are related to Gensokyo in any way.

The dream that I was in spectator mode was about Mokou and Koishi talking about an incident that had occurred recently (this was straight after the dreams with Eirin and Yukari), they said specifically "the big incident that occurred recently"(Mokou said that), I have nothing else written about this.

And lastly this one, at first the dream was nothing related to Gensokyo (IRL stuff) when suddenly I go trough a door an everything went pitch black for what felt like a minute, after that I started to get my vision back, the first thing I saw were the Eientei walls and then that Kaguya was sitting and waiting for me, as I sat she asked me a question about why I came here earlier (I had nothing else written on this topic), and at the end of out conversation just like the other three dreams we talked about time and much like the Eirin dream after that I woke up at exactly 06:50 AM, no alarm, no sound, nothing at all once again.

You can ask more questions if you want but it will probably be hard to answer them since these time I have little written about those dreams and I don't recall them too well, tomorrow I will do a run trough my journal since I still have like 3 month worth of dreams to check if I have anything written about Gensokyo.

Portal thread?
I thought portal anon died years ago

>>19457160
the problem is, that's only you and never their real actions. It was only YOU. No actual progress with your relationships since none of it is real

>>19474984
Thank you for all of your dedication writing all of this, anon! Makes me want to explore gensokyo myself via lucid dreaming. You may call me an amateur naturalist, in the middle of building a medicinal mushroom business.

I have many questions regarding mother nature that currently I am unable to pin down the answers, such as:
1. How do morel mushrooms occur?
2. Is it possible to plant wasabi crops using thick moss to simulate water stream under shade of trees?
3. Is it possible to extensively cultivate mycorrhizal mushroom mycelium without rooting symbiont?

I actually have experiments in order for my questions, but since I saw this thread and about you chatting with Eirin about new stuffs, I’m interested in trying “otherwordly method” as well. I think it if were possible, would be fun to talk with Eirin or being fully naive, Yuuka...

Maybe we can talk about this more via discord?? Btw thank you for all of your cooperation!

>>19475780
Marisa is the resident mycologist, why would you ask Yuuka, they're not even plants, let alone flowers.

>>19476492
Yea, totally forgot about that. I was thinking that Yuuka might have extensive knowledge about plants, like what mycorrhizal associations the plants in garden of the sun form, or about decomposition of organic matter, etc (I sound like a complete loon here). But yeah, Marisa or Patchouli would be more appropriate

>>19476492
Also, I think because of the previous anon said about meeting Yukari and Eirin, somehow in my head about lucid dreaming into gensokyo got isolated into meeting the tithus, such as Yuuka, which made me forget the possibility of meeting non hag 2hus

>>19474984
And thank you for your response again, and for kindly offering to answer more questions. I promise you they’ll be more brief than last time.

>”Every dream that I had that is changing constantly are also bound to change when I go to another room/through a door”
Change how exactly? Location? Time? Setting? Atmosphere? Mood?

I don’t suppose you remember any detail of “the big incident” do you?

Do you remember the place/room/setting where you met Kaguya? How was she sitting?

You spoke again about time! Do you remember any detail whatsoever about these conversations with either Eirin, Yukari or Kaguya?

I look forward to reading anything else you might find.

>>19475122
If only it was that simple. The problem is it’s impossible to say how much of you is “you”. Every thing we do involves some kind of interaction, with other people, with objects, with concepts both seen and unseen, in a great network of influence and other forces. A gyrating vector field of desires and actions. Insofar as we are able to remember dreams, they too must also be part of this network and are therefore exposed, able to receive and exhert external influence.

The point I’m trying to make is that while you obviously can’t get on a fucking aeroplane to Gensokyo today and speak to any of the characters in person, they are nonetheless definitely real entities, existing in the collective imagination of everyone who knows about them. And since we’re living in an age where the irreversible entangling of the virtual and the actual seems inevitable, where both are equally real, the technoconjuration of Gensokyo as an assembly of experiences indistinguishable, or even enhanced, from our everyday waking experience is a very real and imminent possibility, and it’s waiting for anyone who wants it.

I also like to speculate and entertain the possibility that Gensokyo already exists in some noumenal realm and that it’s trying to break into our own reality by these, hyperstitional means.

You may not believe a single thing that lucid-dreamer anon has said but it still doesn’t matter. You still read it and it affected you, and he’s made a big contribution towards the emergent reality of Gensokyo. You may have to believe in something for it to be real, but sometimes, like Bohr’s horseshoe, it still works even if you don’t believe in it.

“In this book it is spoken of the Sephiroth and the Paths; of Spirits and Conjurations; of Gods, Spheres, Planes, and many other things which may or may not exist. It is immaterial whether these exist or not. By doing certain things certain results will follow.”
- Aleister Crowley

t. Schizo is a great name by the way!

Yukari is a good girl and wont do anything bad, you should worry about the Lunar Capital taking control and enslaving us, first.

>>19478013
Maybe she is and maybe we should. Maybe we can do some more dreaming and find out.

So the only real way to get to Gensokyo besides dying right now is dreamfuckery? Great. Thanks for the recommendations, anons.

/thread

>>19478403
Why do you want to go?

>>19475780
I mean if you want to message me on discord go for it, but I will probably answer with a shit load of delay since I almost never check discord and also I don't have a mic so voice chat is out of the way.

>>19477297
All of them, I could be in a nightmare running from something, then I go trough a door and suddenly I'm in my house having a party, then I go to the bathroom and now I'm in a cabin on the forest at night, it usually stops when I'm near the end of the dream, although now it doesn't happen that often (maybe because I've gotten better at dreaming?).

The only thing I remember is that Koishi was definitely involved in the incident and that rather than a friendly talk between Mokou and Koishi it was more like a heated discussion (that looked like it would become a fight in any moment).

The room looked like pic related (also it was definitely at Eientei) but, on one of the walls there was a circular window that let me see that it was night and also there were some pillows in the middle of the room for sitting, and as for how she was sitting, I don't know if it has an exact name but I found it on google by searching kneeling sitting or sitting on heels. but basically its like you sit on your legs.

Well after re-reading my journal entries I found something that I had not mentioned before, "The dreams that I had with Eirin, Yukari and Kaguya became 100% lucid when I had to give the last answer and ask the last question" which means that at the end of the dream I was at my full capacity to try to understand and answer their questions on the Eirin one "I asked her why I had to wake up at exactly 06:50 AM she said that it was important, then I woke up", on the Yukari one "The 06:50 AM was mentioned again and I woke up at that hour again, I don't remember what she said about it since I didn't write it immediately after I woke up (fuck me), but I remember it had something to do with the barrier" and lastly Kaguya "She said some thing that I couldn't understand in the dream but it was something among the lines of "since I posses the ability of manipulating eternity and the instantaneous, time is a weird concept to me", when I got my full lucidity moment I asked her about the 06:50 AM and she told me that she couldn't tell me about it" as I already mentioned before I woke up at 06:50 AM again.

And after reading trough the other entries I found this dream that was 100% lucid from the start, from the beginning it had nothing to do with Gensokyo, I was on some city making meteors fall from space to test dream physics when I remembered that I could try to get to Gensokyo again, I did it by imagining that after I go trough a tunnel in the city I would arrive Gensokyo, as I got to the end of the tunnel I could see the the scenery (some trees, bushes and the Human Village in the distance), but as I try to go inside its like I'm hitting an invisible wall, like when in a game you go to the corner of the map and you can see how the world keeps going further but you can't get there, after trying for some time I went back to testing dream stuff. (This was a really weird experience since when I'm 100% lucid I'm used to be able to do pretty much everything that I want, and of course the first thing that comes to mind when I think about what the wall was is the Great Hakurei Barrier).

>>19478013

Turn the entire Lunarian civilization into refugees with this one simple clown.

Amatsukami hate her!

>>19457160
Anon, if you go back, please ask Eirin if the lunarians have made high temperature superconductors, and if so, If she knew the details on them
This is very important, if you can get this technology, you'll have saved humanity because it gives us nuclear fusion, dramatically enhanced electronics, and lots of other era changing shit

>>19459139
How big were their tits
I must know this information

>>19480366
>>19472348

>>19480257

Only Eirin actually develops Lunarian technology

The rest are unga bungas who will brag about the same ropes they've had for 3000 years, they don't improve

And they banished Eirin so...

>>19475054
Portal anon will always live on in our hearts

>>19480561
Well hopefully she knows and is willing to give with the knowledge
>>19479898
If you need more incentive, acquiring this information will probably net you millions if not more

This a touhou / SCP cross-over thread?

>>19480886
Anon you need to understand that even if it was remotely possible that Eirin shared the details about high temperature superconductors, I would have to understand how to make them and I would have to remember all of that once I wake up so I can write it down on my journal, furthermore I would have to be 100% lucid on the dream so I could ask her (which is very hard for me) and to complicate things even more I would have to be in Gensokyo from the start of the dream since as I mentioned on the experience I shared before, when I tried to enter Gensokyo "brute forcing it" I couldn't (and this only works if you look at Gensokyo and all of its character as if they were actually real and if you could go trough the barrier via dreaming, looking at this form the rational side it would be just me exploring my subconscious in a dream that took the form of what I believe Gensokyo would look like and how its characters would act, and according to test realized by various adept lucid dreamers got to the conclusion that you can't not learn something in a lucid dream if you have 0 knowledge about it, for example since I don't know anything about high temperature superconductors I would not be able to get any info about them, but since I already knew about botany, medicine and some of this thing my subconscious was capable of fabricating the paper thingy, or it could be that I already knew about it, but I had forgotten it so it was on my long term memory and my subconscious just pulled out the info at the right time due to the right stimulus. However you can perfect something you already know, for example if you want to get better at basketball and you already know how to shoot the ball you could perfect you shooting technique by training in your dreams).
Don't worry though I will definitely try asking if I get the chance.

>>19481009
Why?

>>19478403
try praying to go there every day for 100 days desu
>>19478462
why wouldn't you want to go?

>>19481009
no but feel free to post such autism

>>19481433
I’m hesitant. While the experience of dreamer-anon is encouraging, I still think I’d probably get myself killed. I would go perhaps as a missionary but not as a tourist.

>>19479898
Thank you, je vous remercie, muchas gracias.

I wonder, does the time 6:50 AM have any particular importance outside these dreams? If not, have you thought about whether or why it could be significant?

I am interested that Kaguya, in light of her powers, mentioned that time is a weird concept to her. Have you considered how she might conceive time, perhaps differently to our intuitions? Have you yourself considered anything about time that might be taken as unusual? Or, for that matter, barriers/boundaries?

>>19482702
So you want to spread Da’wah in gensokyo?

>>19450618
>>19478403
Fall asleep whilst standing on grass somewhere outside. You can try either taunting or begging Yukari or Okina beforehand,

>>19483462
Haha, not quite

The pure insanity of this thread is put forth with such eagerness that it's very endearing. Ganbare mother fuckers.

Is anyone here currently in Gensokyo? We had >>19450782 Cirno respond, but the likelihood of it actually being Cirno isn't high. Can anyone posting from Gensokyo show proof that they're actually over there? If so, can you share how you did get there in the first place? Also, can anyone provide proof of any of these methods working? A lot of them are probably made-up shit.

>>19481235
What language were you speaking in your dream?

>>19485123
Just fucking kill yourself. You guys wanna go to Gensokyo so bad? Kill yourself. Leave /jp/ forever and enter Gensokyo by killing yourself! Just fucking do it! Your waifu is waiting! Kill yourself! Fucking. Kill. Yourself. Kill yourself.

>>19481009
that sounds genius actually

>>19450618
You gotta pass the entrance exam.

>>19480257
supporting this

>>19487931
i would kill for a topologist girlfriend, pls step on me and call me trash

>>19488951
You don't get to be stepped on by Yukari, that's my privilege!

>>19488951
>>19488963
You two buckaroos that failed the entrance exam only get Yukari's shadow

>>19488973
Fucking roastie.

>>19488973
The answer is BOn since the arrows lead to it, right?

>>19489000
jesus christ chen

>>19489000
The classifying space of any principal O(n) bundle is the Grassmann manifold and so both EO(n) and BO(n) are actually very easy to understand, and we usually build things up from these easy-to-understand building blocks.
In this instance, given a homomorphism H(n) → O(n) from the symmetry group to the orthogonal group O(n) (the existence of which is equivalent to Coleman-Mandula) one can construct a manifold V(n) via pullback such that a bundle homomorphism from V(n) → BH(n) to EO(n) → BO(n) exists. This allows the topological data encoded in principal H(n) bundles to be understood via those in the principle O(n) bundle.

>>19488984
>>19489000
dont listen to her lies!!
geometer approach may seem incomprehensible but it is the only sensible way to overcome such an ugly yokai

>>19489128
Geometry is merely a tool for topology, similar to how Reimu is merely a tool for Yukari

>>19489167
>implying you would even exist without me

>>19489199
Please be quiet Reimu the exam is in progress.

>>19489116
sorry but I don't care enough to learn math unless you're actually Yukari or Ran teaching me and giving headpats for right answers

Reimu here
You guys not done yet??
Remember to quantize her tits!

>>19489389
top left panel is top cute, yukari doesn't deserve this

>>19489382

>>19489382
I *am* Yukari though, and how will you get lessons from me or Ran if you can't even pass the entrance exam and get into Gensokyo?

Gensokyo isn't a place
It's a state of mind

>>19450618
Holy fuck am I hyped for this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?114=&v=VndKgOALOXQ

>>19489502
>voiced
bye

>>19489502
Will it be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKx4lKYuXLk again?

>>19485123
>Also, can anyone provide proof of any of these methods working? A lot of them are probably made-up shit.

At least I can tell you that lucid dreams are a real phenomenon and there has been scientific research done about it (you can get the gist of it on wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream)), there are a lot of people who have had lucid dreams and there are scientific claim to back it up so for me it works as proof.

>>19485125
I actually have no clue, I had never asked myself this nor have I wrote about it.

>>19483187
The 06:50 AM doesn't have any relevance to me outside of the dreams, I could go on rambling about like 5 different theories about why it is important but I will write the one that makes the most sense to me right now.

I write two times per day on my dream journal, the first one is to keep track of at what time I went to bed and approximately at what hour I will be asleep, the second one is in the morning when I write about the dreams, all of these dreams (except for the 100% lucid, this one was in June) happened between April (21) and May (27), and during the entirety of these two months I kept a sleeping schedule and followed 100%, so I went to bed in the range of 23:00 to 23:59, this means that if I sleep 8 hours I would always wake up between 7:00 and 7:59, REM period usually starts after 90 minutes and dreams usually occur in REM, which means I would start dreaming between 00:30 and 01:29 (for the sake of the theory I will assume that REM last until I wake up, thing that is not true) that leaves me about 5:30 hours of dreaming time, now remember how I said that my dreams used to change constantly until I'm near the end of the dream, well that happened in the Eirin, Kaguya and Yukari dreams, so if we take into account what I wrote last time (about that what Yukari said to me about 06:50 AM was related to the barrier) this would make sense, since my objective while dreaming is travel to Gensokyo, this means that the during the majority of my dream the barrier is strong enough to keep me outside, but near the end of the dream (6:00 AM probably) the barrier weakens and I can go trough it and do stuff, 06:50 AM being the point where the barrier goes back to normal and I'm forcefully being thrown out (which my may be why I wake up), this also makes sense since when I had the 100% lucid dream I went to bed at 05:30 AM so when REM starts its already too late.

>>19483187
I mean Kayuga drank the Hourai Elixir, so she might as well never care about time since it doesn't affect her at all, and you have to her powers to the mix.

"Eternity is namely immutability, and it can be said that eternity rejects all change. Things that possess eternity indefinitely don't change, and also cannot be interfered by things outside of it" "With "instantaneous", it's namely the gaps, the instant that's impossible to recognize the existence of anything else. Kayuga, in being able to manipulate the instantaneous, is able to mish-mash the needed "instants" and make them her own time. However, whatever she gathers together, since the fact that they're the "unrecognizable instant" can't be changed, she has no means of knowing what's within the instant. For this reason, in manipulating the instantaneous, Kaguya's able to spend "time the same as others'" and "time different from others'" simultaneously. Akyuu presented this as "having parallel timelines at the same time." As the instantaneous is the smallest unit of time, time is able to accumulate countless instants. Watatsuki no Toyohime explained that to see time as continuous is due to the inability to recognize the instant. Since her ability can be said to be the ability to manipulate "complete stop equals eternity" and "extreme speed-up equals instant", Akyuu also summarised it as an "ability to manipulate time" (thats form the touhou wiki btw).

If what Akyuu implies is true, Kaguya being able to manipulate time would definitely count as her conceiving time in a totally different way, not to mention the "having parallel timelines at the same time" (I may expand on this later but for now I have to go).

>>19489512
???

>>19485123
I don’t believe he is making it up but even if he was it wouldn’t be enough to lose my interest. It would still be significant.

>>19489459
For the time being...

>>19489539
Sorry for my english. I see you use lucid dream. Can I have question?
What method you use to achieve it.
Do you use WILD method?
Can you convert time to GMT time.

>>19489502
Looks gay. In a homosexual way.

>>19490140
No shit

>>19489563
Please do, this is getting more interesting by the day.

You’ve also helped me understand why, canonically, Yukari would have been an adversary to and “lost” against Kaguya and the Lunarians. The concepts of time and boundaries are after all intimately entwined, as was discovered by thermodynamics. Their powers are comparable, they may even be equals, though to what extent, and in what sense, I’m not sure.

>>19456964
Not with that attitude

>>19450618
To get to Gensokyo you must forget about Touhou.

>>19490453
Paradox

>>19489429
this sounds like the beginning of some cheesy gay porno

>>19490948
how do you think Hakurei Barrier is made and how laws of everything work in Gensokyo?

>>19491132
Mmm...I see that, your daddy gave you some good advice.

>>19491132
>>19491226

Every time I close my eyes, I see dead people.

>>19450618
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3x4DqfrU-I

>>19491161

You may be confusing the Hakurei barrier and the Fantasy-Reality barrier

>>19481235
Can you share to us, how to achieve lucidity? I mean folks at /x/ said thay it is actually not that hard to achieve as people would say. I think I need to go to gensokyo, for the sake of myself. Some substances maybe??

I was about to go into a lucid dream last night but I got stopped by a voice that told me,
“You’d better stop or you’ll end up speaking to the Devil.”
So I responded, “But he speaks to me all the time.”
“Yes but this time you’ll speak face-to-face.” said the voice.

Disappointing. Not exactly what I was after.

>>19496499
The Devil's not bad. I danced with that guy in the darkness to When You're Evil on the night of two moons in the darkness of old fashioned city streets one time, it was fun.

>>19495700
thank you

This sword could fill all of the gaps left by yukari
you cannot refute me on this.

>>19496722

There are 2 reasons why you will never enter Gensokyo.
Reason number one: You just wanted to get your waifu and you won't fit in.
Reason number two: Read above

>>19496901
translate

>>19496950
screw off 3D poster

>>19496960
https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/888607

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/2413912

>>19497001
>armor gil and not ccc gil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QdkYux0Egs

>>19485199
Can I use canister of compressed CO2?

ITT: Schizos

>>19496160
I began reading about it after I read this thread. I found this website. https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming/Induction_Techniques

Should have everything you need to know. I actually remembered two dreams last night, one of them pretty well. I'm getting closer.

>>19496974
Why are you so buthurt all of the sudden?
Did you thought everyone will be 2D or look like an anime girl?
Just live a life you have here and worship your gods from here.

>>19497292
but what about if I just be curious about possibility of existing such place?

>>19497314
anon, there is no place

>>19497314
The road you’re on will lead you to Gensokyo eventually, but think hard about what that means, and if you really want to stay on that road.

It wants to find you and it will devour you. In fact it may have already started.

>>19497441
What you mean by word "IT"?

>>19490035
I use three different methods,when I go to bed I use a mix of WILD and MILD, so basically I'm "getting in to the right mindset" and also maintain focus while I try to sleep, but most of my lucid dreams have occurred thanks to ADA (All Day Awareness) which is to be aware of everything around you. Hear your footsteps against the pavement, feel the cushion in the sole of your shoes contract with each step. Feel the muscles working in your legs as you stroll along, see your eyelids blinking, hear the sound of your breathing, feel your lungs expanding and your chest moving as you breath in and out. This was hard at the start but once I got better at it I could realize that I was dreaming just by the "feeling" the dreaming had. (If you want to lear more about ADA check this link: https://www.dreamviews.com/induction-techniques/113253-all-day-awareness-dild-tutorial-kingyoshi.html))

What time do you want me to convert into GMT?

>>19496160
>>19497203
The link that Anon provided its good to see many of the different techniques that are used to induce lucid dreams. The first step to start lucid dreaming is to keep a dream journal this way your brain will want to remember the dreams you had and you will be able to look for dream sings on the entries you write, its fine you don't remember much or even if you don't remember anything, when I started I had entries like this "I dreamed that I was in car" or "I couldn't remember anything" after that you will have to start doing reality checks, RC are a way to "question" reality, the basic ones are looking at your hand and counting your finger, trying to push your finger trough your hand and plugging your nose and trying to breath, this works because while you are dreaming all of these action tend to fail (from my experience the plugging your nose RC is 100% effective) and once they fail you should realize your dreaming, how often you should realize RC's is up to you, but as long as you do it while thinking about it and questioning reality its fine, if you do it like a routine it will not work, many say that its better to do a ton of them so it becomes a habit that will be present in your dreams, after that you will need to choose a technique and try it (don't get discouraged because it fails the first time), for starters the easiest one is MILD (Mnemonically Induced Lucid Dream), in short, MILD is telling yourself as you are in bed ready to sleep that you are going to become lucid when you dream, then visualizing yourself in a dream becoming lucid. Repeat until you fall asleep. If you want to find more information I recommend this site https://www.dreamviews.com/introduction-zone/
and this reddit starter guide is pretty nice https://www.reddit.com/r/LucidDreaming/comments/rsvp7/the_three_steps_for_learning_to_lucid_dream/ (I have not checked the rest of the subreddit so it may as well be trash but that guide is good).
>Some substances maybe??
I don't really know about substances sorry.

>>19499821
if you fully materialize i will eat you anon kun

>>19499850
pls no, i'll feed you anyting but me

>>19490398
She possesses the ability to manipulate eternity and the instantaneous.
As eternity refers to a world with no history, it is also a world where change is eternally unknown.
No matter how much you may try to bring about change in such a world, it is futile in a world where time has essentially stopped.
It is believe that even the fact that Eientei suddenly appeared in human history and began to experience the passage of time was because she undid the effects of her eternity magic.
Under the effects of that magic, Eientei would probably have never appeared in the human world, but would have always remained hidden in the Bamboo Forest of the Lost.
However, a perpetual world denies any sort of change.
She may have lived for a very long time without having changed at all.
Her other ability regarding the instantaneous is complementary to her manipulation of eternity, and allows control over extremely short time durations.
It allows her to act in instants so short as to be imperceptible to human beings.
Since time itself is just the aggregate of instants, they pass normally as time, but these instants cannot be perceived by humans.
In using these times, it's said that she can have several parallel timelines.
As both of these abilities are abilities to manipulate time, they far surpass what normal humans are capable of.
(From PMiSS)

"No matter how much you may try to bring about change in such a world, it is futile in a world where time has essentially stopped." "As eternity refers to a world with no history, it is also a world where change is eternally unknown." "It allows her to act in instants so short as to be imperceptible to human beings." "Since time itself is just the aggregate of instants, they pass normally as time, but these instants cannot be perceived by humans." "In using these times, it's said that she can have several parallel timelines." I just can't expand on Kaguya's powers, I would need to dedicate a lot of time to come up with good examples and how that relates to boundaries/barriers and even more stuff, the "she can have several parallel timelines." opens up waaay to many possibilities even tough it seems to have its limitations "the fact that they're the "unrecognizable instant" can't be changed, she has no means of knowing what's within the instant." even so its waaaaaay to fucking weird for me to think about how she could use these instants that come from different timelines, at least with Yukari's boundary manipulation one can come up with hypothesis and understand the ability better, but infinite timelines is literally infinite possibilities even if she can't now about the instants she can access it is still infinite

>>19490398
>>19500185
ayyy forgot to mention something,the fact that she can "reject all change" and the eternity power, at least to me, feel like she could have been immortal without the need of the Hourai Elixir (perhaps I'm missing something here), not to mention the fact that the elixir was able to be completed thank to her "The Hourai Elixir was created by Eirin Yagokoro using Kaguya Houraisan's power of the manipulation of eternity" if Eirin had to use Kaguya's power wouldn't that mean that she could already reject death by herself or something like that?

>>19498176
I’m not entirely sure, but whatever it is knows what you want, it knew it before you did. It’s preparing it just for you, and leading you to it, and when you arrive it will offer it to you for a suitable price.

I don’t mean to come off as pretentiously mysterious, that could easily describe the Amazon shopping AI.

It absolutely staggers me that it should seem unbelievable that Gensokyo or any other such Shambhala should not either be or become real when there seems to be so much demand, even just curiosity, when our age continues to unfold into infinite possibilities.

Soon it will no longer be a question of what can or cannot be done, or what may or may not exist (if ever it was) - only what you desire. But there will still be a price to pay for it, there always is.

>>19500238
Thanks, you’ve given me a lot to think about. So much that, unfortunately, I’m not sure I’ll be done before this thread disappears!

>>19503338
>before this thread disappears
That’s going to take a while

You should probably ask the BBC, they seem to have a Gensokyo correspondant

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-echochambers-30859967

>>19504838
I want it all,
I want it all,
I want it all and I want it now!

>>19504838
Ran blasts Freddie Mercury songs all the time while she's driving so she can sing along to them!

>>19506114
Ran has good taste in music.

>>19506090
why is yukari such a slut?

>>19509470
yukari is a pure maiden!

>>19509470
It’s because she wants you anon, she wants you so much. She really hopes that you want her too and she can’t wait for when you’ll finally be together!

>>19506114
Ran blasts Queen in her office

>>19513451
yeah why'd you leave the lid off the thing you dummy!

>>19510266

>>19500185
If I have understood correctly, given that it is an ability of Kaguya to, as it would be perceived, “be in several places at the same time” (or even just do several things at the same time) and the substantial conceptual overlap between time and boundaries, has anyone considered if Kaguya and Yukari are the same person?

>>19500185
I don't understand Akyuu's logic. How does eternity = no history? History is just recording of the past. The only logic I can think of is that if something exists in a single state, in the next instant it doesn't exist anymore as it did in the previous moment, so it's not "eternal". Even going with that, it's completely impossible for a person to exist in that state unless they're a statue who doesn't think breath, move, or do anything at all.