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He's already done a scenario in 428.

>>- Will be a combination of both old and new Nasu Kinoko’s style

So we get Vampires AND Servants this time

Aoko will hopefully shout "Sugoi Sugoi!" in-story

>>1943959
I'm guessing that he is over-looking the 428-canaan anime scripts etc

TRANSLATION PATCH WHERE

Typemoon ace 2 is out?

you lie.

Somebody needs so scan this.

>Girls’ Work

>- They put in extra effort into the backgrounds so players will hopefully get the feeling that they’d like to live in a town like that
>- Story takes place in Misakichou, which is where Tsukihime took place

I hope that means some of Tsukihime's minor characters get a cameo at some point.

>>1943998
Being the scenario supervisor of your own work isn't a job, it's an obligation. Besides, if Canaan wasn't going to be a straight adaptation of the bonus scenario, then the responsibility of supervising the work would actually go to Chunsoft.

>>1944045
Type-Moon reusing old character sprites? no way!

Characters known to make an appearance in Mahou Tsukai No Yoru:
Aoko
Touko
Alice
Shizuki
El-Melloi
Waver Velvet
Soren Araya
Cornelius Alba
Zelretch
Arcueid
Roa
Shiki Nanaya

>>1944071
sauce

>>1944082
Just a troll trying to imitate the actual person. Ignore it.

>>Why do I feel that he's been offered a sceneario in the new Key game like Ryuukishi07 was?

Nasu does not do "sad girls in the snow" that is pretty much the only thing Key does.

>>1944103

Idiot troll who haven't played the games.
Key > Type Moon

>>1944112
Key is good. Type-Moon is good. Most like one, the other, or both. They also don't feel the need to compare apples to oranges.

Kill yourself.

Nasu doesn't do new content.

That's why Girl's Work is being written by someone else.

>>1944103
>Nasu does not do "sad girls in the snow"

>>1944112
They're kind of too different to compare to each other.

I'm an idort who likes both, though.

>Why do I feel that he's been offered a sceneario in the new Key game like Ryuukishi07 was?

DO NOT WANT

>>1944112
Shut up dude. Type-Moons are the best!

>>1944103
Key : Hey Nasu we want to have an awesome game with Tanaka and Ryukishi 07and we want you.

Nasu: Oh shi- can put powerlevels , crappy philosophy and bad ero scenes?

Key: ...Forget that i asked.

Nasu: Nyoroooon

>>1944129
Footless servant in snow.

>>1944138
Excluding powerlevels(still false but let's give it leeway), your comedy ended up being tragic.

>>1944154
hahaha ok

>>1944178
>>1944138
The same troll in every Type-Moon thread: unfunny and pointless.

What's the verdict on my sacchin route? Worksafe or not worksafe?

>>1944138
>Key: ...Forget that i asked.
Key: Great we can use all that to take the attention off of the sappy samestory bawwwwfests we have been shitting out for years

>>Will be a combination of both old and new Nasu Kinoko’s style

Both of them suck. is there a newer good one?

No new info on the Tsukihime remake?

Like what's changed, what's still in. Is it voiced? Ero scenes? Release date? Anything?

You know, the reason TM is so popular is because of the power levels.

>>1944204
Better than shitting out the same titles with crappy fandisks and spin-offs all the time... oops.

>>1944204
Which are better than the shit Nasu comes out.

>>1944214
More like great character designs.

>>1944214
>>1944235
>>1944241
>>1944205
>>1944204

Why is the same person making so many obviously troll posts?

Keyfaggots Vs TMFaggots:
Who is the bigger loser?

>>1944243
...No, it's the power levels.
Sakura sucks, Rider is boring.

>>1944256
KnK, Tsukihime, and Fate must've sold no copies then

>>1944243
Where? I don't see it.

No seriously, if that was the reason Nitro+ would be the most popular ever.

>>1944262
Trying to deny it's useless, go check BL or MM forums, all they talk about is power levels.

Oh cool, the second one's out. Now I gotta be on the lookout for it. Shit's so awesome but GOD SO OUT OF PRINT.

>>1944262
FSN is the best seller, the other two aren't.

>>1944277
Who the fuck cares what other people discuss? What happened to liking something because you like it? Are you really such a sycophantic faggot that you can't have your own personal tastes instead of liking or disliking something based on what other people think of it, do with it, or think of you?

>>1944283
Didn't Tsukihime have a limited print run being doujin, though?

>>1944283
They're all best sellers, actually.

FSN only sold more because it was the first commercial product.

>>1944291
Your butthurt proves I'm right.

Fate and Tsukihie have power levels.
KnK have a Mary Sue with god like powers.

>>1944298
No, they aren't.

Only FSN is.

And FSN is the only visual novel that receives high ratings on tops, Tsukihime and its spin offs not so much.

>>1944301
Your lack of an actual argument proves me right.

This just proves my theory that all "Type-Moon trolls" are actually people that have never played the games and just troll threads because they can.

>>1944277
>Trying to deny it's useless, go check /jp/ forums, all they talk about is power levels.

>>1944262
>More like great character designs.
>KnK, Tsukihime, and Fate must've sold no copies then
Because the character designs are the same in each, amirite?

>>1944323
I played Tsukihime and FSN, both are shit and Typemoon is pure crap.

Now prove me wrong with your theory.

>>1944323
>This just proves my theory that all "trolls" are actually people that have never <insert here> and just troll threads because they can.
Fixed for /jp/ or internet in general.

>>1944323
Type- Moon works are popular because of the powerlevels. Not the plot. If characters are popular is because of the generic bad ass in them ( Shiki, Archer) .
There are lots of better games with better plots and characters.
TM is overrated.

>>1944334
You're a liar or a moron who trolls threads to stroke his e-penis. Which still fits well enough.

No matter how much you argue typemoon fanboyism is the strongest around. They're numerous and they won't leave the place nor will stop doing their shitty power levels threads.

Stop wasting your time.

>>1944349

So you can't accept that there are people who played the game and disliked them?

>>1944349
Oh I see, you can't prove me wrong.

Enjoy your cheap sophistry.

>>1944362
The only people that post in threads about things they dislike merely for the purpose of calling said thing "shit" or any other adjective is a troll. They aren't there to debate anything, just to mentally masturbate at the thought of insulting something.

>>1944363
You are mentally deficient if you think your post somehow refutes what I said.

I foresee fanboys attacking the next Key thread in sight.

Well, whatever. It's not the first time it happened anyway.

Let's summarize blade_works_faggot's logic.
>lack of an argument = didn't play game
>didn't play game = troll
>one troll didn't play game = all trolls don't play game
>claim of reading Tsukihime and FSN but didn't like it = liar

if you don't like type-moon hide the type-moon threads and don't post in them its that simple. the only reason you would post in a thread of something you don't like is to troll.

>>1944405
>You're a liar or a moron who trolls threads to stroke his e-penis.

You missed the "or" function. Congratulations on failing logic.

>>1944388
We've all learned about the Devil's proof from Umineko.
You can't prove that he hasn't played the games.

>>1944409
>hide the type-moon threads

Holy shit, it must be a hassle hiding 60% of what is posted here.

Sorry guys, I had to do this joke.

>>1944425
I only see one TM related thread on the front page. which is this one.

The most popular route, HF, is pure shit.
Shirou's beliefs, way of life, and foundation are all based on the ideal of being a superhero. He was reborn into such a person when he was saved by Kiritsugu. So i think the execution of how he changes is really bad, and the sudden change unrealistic.
Shirou doesn't test his new determination in HF
He never knew that Sakura was killing people, and when he does, Sakura stops killing, so he never " holds the burden of letting Sakura kill people " , he doesn't do the real sacrifice of letting people die for Sakura.

>>1944436
That's just Akio, the ironic troll. Don't bother with him. Facts don't work, since he ignores them.

>>1944409
Hiding typemoon on /jp/ is like going to /v/ and hide all the suck.

>>1944459
You haven't played any VN other than FSN and Tsukihime, That's because you think they are awesome.

>>1944448
>most popular
HF isn't the most popular.

>>1944448
Obvious troll is obvious.

He did test his newfound ideal when he killed Saber and was ready to give up his friendship/companionship with Rin to save Sakura.

>>1944485
I've played more than those two. The difference is, I don't go around posting in other threads about any particular VN being "shit" if I happened to not like it.

I respectfully stay out of those threads if I have nothing of merit to say about them.

So i see this thread devolved into trolls trolling trolls. I guess no one knows any new information on the Tsukihime remake?

I was the one who posted >>1944214 and I didn't mean it as a troll. I dont see whats so bad with liking something because of the power levels. I'm happy to admit TM games don't have much depth nor character development, and I don't really mind. I've read all sorts of VN's, and while I cant say TM novels are my favorites, I still enjoyed them.

I'm not sure why /jp/ is so determined to have their cake, but not eat it.

You guys keep trying and Type-Moon is still the most accepted stuff here. You can troll all you want but we're having another FSN/Tsukihime/MB thread in the next hours and people will comment on them normally because the TM fanbase is strong here.

Pity you guys for being the the minority. Even /a/ welcome us.

>>1944610
I can say with confidence that if you enjoy action, high pace and unpredictable powers, you will not enjoy F/SN.

And for a VN, it has a more properly constructed plot.
It is plot with a slice of porn after all.

That is, everyone can enjoy TM VNs for their own reasons, but 'powerlevels' should not be one of them.

>>1944595

I know nothing.
Though I do hope that they have had the decency to redraw everything from scratch, rather than just adding some shadow and lens flare to the old cgs.

Seriously, If he can do this <<<< then he can make at least 4 new cgs for the battle with Nero.

>>1944610

People like you are the reason Twilight sold so many copies.

>>1944640
Is that Takeuchi's art? Doesn't look like it.

Regardless, at least we won't have to suffer his attempts at colouring in the remade CGs.

>>1944649
No, teenage girls who have never read a work of literary merit are the reason Twilight sold so much.

>>1944649
I do subscribe to the notion that you're allowed to like football and philosophy, yes.

>>1944649
naw, the reason twilight sold so many copies is "lol girlporn"

>>1944661
>teenage boys who have never read a work of literary merit are the reason Tsukihime is pirated so much.

>>1944634
>>'powerlevels'

ORT > Type Jupiter > Type Saturn = Crimson Moon > Type Pluto > Type Venus > Primate Murder > Original Roa > Angra Mainyu > Gun God (Black Barrel) = Ado Edem > Zelretch > Counter Guardian Archer > Dark Sakura = Gilgamesh = Arcueid > Dark Berserker = Dark Saber > Lancelot = Saber > 5th Berserker = Roa Elesia > 4th Caster > 5th Lancer > 4th Lancer = 5th Caster > 4th Rider > 5th Rider > Nrvnqsr = Clairvoyant Fujino = Kurogiri > Archer = 5th Assassin = 4th Assassin > Aoko = Kouma = Barthomeloi = Kojirou = Ciel = "Ryougi Shiki" = Soren Araya > Touko = El-Melloi = Night of Wallachia > Sion Tatari = Melty Blood Satsuki = R.Shiki = Akiha = Fujino = 18th Roa > SHIKI = Arba (potentially) = Heaven’s Feel Shirou = Kiri > Nanaya = Reinforced Kuzuki = Sion = UBW Shirou = Waver = Bazett > Avenger = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Luvia > Kiritsugu = Irisviel > Maiya = Arba (usually) = Leysritt = Tsukihime Satsuki = Lio = Avalon Shirou = Sakura = Ilya = Kariya = Len > Kirie = Caren = Meruka > The Dead = Possessed Corpse = Azaka = Misayo = Dragon Tooth Warrior = Fuji-nee > Fake Shiki > Shinji = Ryuunosuke = Tomoe = Gun God (unequipped) = Hisui = Kohaku

>>1944676
Oh excuse me Mr. Troll, I didn't know Finnegan's Wake had moe in it.

>>1944672
Shinji shouldn't be that high. Without Sakura making him a new book, the guy is a total wimp.

>>1944672
So you present a fanmade, incorrect on too many levels ranking of an ability driven universe...and?

>>1944708

How is it incorrect? I thought it was pretty accurate when I first saw it, and everyone else in the thread did too.

>>1944715
Angra Mainyu. Fucking retards.

>Primate Murder

Fucking useless

>>1944717

...?

Why is that placement incorrect? Angra Mainyu is, of course, referring to the imaginary Angra Mainyu that Kotomine was defending at the end of Heaven's Feel that was going to kill a good portion of humans if it was summoned. Please be aware that this chart goes by pure percentage versus percentage and ignores situational constraints except in the case of Alba and Gun God.

>>1944715
Disregarding the facts that we don't have proper info in half the characters, some are glaringly wrong (Black Berserker is a fucking rotting, blind decrepit version of his usual self and is higher), people confuse 'abilities' and powerlevels.

>>1944747

I'll give you that. But besides that one placement, I really don't see anything wrong with the chart. Black Berserker alone hardly constitutes on "incorrect on too many levels."

>>1944755
Dark Sakura is the 'antiservant', but she'd fare horibbly against many lower ranked guys.

Since Zelretch killed Crimson Moon, considering we have no clear info on what EXACTLY each fucker can do and how, Zelretch is higher.

Gun God has only his weapon. It may kill the strongest beings, but so can either Shiki in most cases.

Akiha is way too high.

Nasu himself that on pure stats and straightforward battle, 4th Lancer>5th.

Merem Solomon has claimed that even if it killed him, he could take down Altrouge, Primate and her other two followers/

Certain Servants ranked higher would be USELESS against someone like Nero.
Wallachia's status is indeterminate in most cases.

>>1944790
The chart is more of "what if everyone got in a straight up fistfight" than a "WHO COULD KILL WHO"

>>1944809
Still fucking wrong then.

>>1944815
You should make your own version then.

>>1944809
>The chart is more of "lol i troll your Type-Moon powelevels threads" than a "what if everyone got in a straight up fistfight" or "WHO COULD KILL WHO"
Seriously, this is amusing and all but stop it.

>>1944822
The point is, ignorant manchild, due to the nature of abiloties and universe mechanics, and the lack of information for many characters, you CANNOT MAKE ONE.

You can only judge specific match-ups if you have enough info on the 'combatants'.

Quite the opposite of 'powerlevels'.

As someone may say, it's glorified pokemon.

>>1944837
No, it's just that plot armor trumps power levels.

>>1944837
You're an ignorant manchild like athens

>>1944870
>>1944876
...Who the fuck is athens?

And plot armor or not, it's still not powerlevels.
They are defined abilities.

>>Dark Sakura is the 'antiservant', but she'd fare horibbly against many lower ranked guys.

Dark Sakura's shadows interact with all forms of matter. Normally it'd only be a problem for a Servant, but Dark Sakura herself can kill anyone.

>>Since Zelretch killed Crimson Moon, considering we have no clear info on what EXACTLY each fucker can do and how, Zelretch is higher.

According to Nasu, Zelretch winning was a fluke.

>>Gun God has only his weapon. It may kill the strongest beings, but so can either Shiki in most cases.

Black Barrel is the ultimate weapon against everything else in the Nasuverse. The more magically inclined you are, the more powerful it'll be. This is why it one-shots everything else on the list automatically. The only reason anything on the list is higher than a Gun God equipped with Black Barrel is because we know that they're statistically stronger.

>>Akiha is way too high.

Akiha's power is pretty much equivalent to Fujino's before the latter obtained clairvoyance.

>>1944892
athens, the "you are a woman" tripfag.

>>1944894
As for Merem, I'm pretty sure he didn't refer to a single one.
Wallachia who can in theory take ANY form, taking out cannon fodder priests means nothing.

And apart from the fact that Akiha and Fujino are not that similar, it is stated pretty damn clearly that for the slightly magically inclined, her power is just annoying.

As for Gun God, since he is human, he is 'One hit I kill you, one hit you kill me'.
Statistics or not, it's ridiculous.

Any servat who can't easily hit 100 things at once is fucked against Nero.

Berserker as we see him can't do it.

And you overestimate Sakura, if a Servant (a being most susceptible to her) could resist long enough because he is 'anti-hero' and has some experience.

>>1944919
he's been weird lately.

>>1944659
Yes, it is. Just look at the hands and hair. He is supposed to have improved allot since Fate.

Also, on the subject of powerlevels, why is Gil equipped with Ea supposed to be the strongest being on Earth?
In Fate, a weakened Saber managed to take at least 3 Ea shots to the face (one of which was supposed to kill her for sure) and sliced him in half.
Where does this info come from?

>>1944715
I agree... 5th assasin > Kojirou

>>As for Merem, I'm pretty sure he didn't refer to a single one.

And I'm pretty sure he did. What of it?

>>Wallachia who can in theory take ANY form, taking out cannon fodder priests means nothing.

I think it's referring to Wallachia himself and not TATARI, but I wouldn't know. Regardless, TATARI is a weird situation since it only outputs your fears based on the data that it can extract from its surroundings.

>>And apart from the fact that Akiha and Fujino are not that similar, it is stated pretty damn clearly that for the slightly magically inclined, her power is just annoying.

It's similar to Fujino's Mystic Eyes in the fact that they're both distortion-type abilities that rely on changing properties within the outside world around them automatically. They typically can only effect people that are within speaking distance, though each has restrictions in terms of range: Fujino can bend anything she can see, but she must be seeing them, while Akiha's range is more limited and she's slightly slower, though she can attack anyone around her as long as she knows their general location and she can also encase entire areas in a "cage". As for how much of a nuisance Akiha's ability is, the only person who is explicitly said to be merely annoyed by it was Arcueid. Everyone else is quite susceptible to being harmed by it unless they had a defense placed against high-level energy draining.

>>As for Gun God, since he is human, he is 'One hit I kill you, one hit you kill me'.

He's not top dog, and he's even listed on the lowest tier just to show it.

I like how this thread went from general TM info, to "TM sucks because its all about powerlevels" to a powerlevel thread.

>>1944991
>Anti-World Noble Phantasm

He obviously using full powerzz.

Someone mentioned he would probably split the Earth and end up killing himself as well. It was also said that he could probably "kill" ORT if he managed to get that Ea attack off. (He'd be dead too, of course)

>>1945028
not using

>>1944991

He's not the most powerful being on Earth, but he could kill a Type with the dimension-distorting effect, even ORT. Ea can fire Original Roa-level blasts.

>>1945022
Just as planned.

>>1945031
Not like anyone has actually specified what Original Roa spell is like, but that's what I love in this discussions, how we run on assumptions, upon assumptions, upon assumptions.

>>1945037

Square = amplifies a spell to EX level.
Overload = all of his attacks are EX level due to automatic Square.
EX level = incalculable: it really doesn't matter how powerful they are because you're automatically dead if they're used on you no matter what you are.

>>1945058

And we can't forget that Roa had circuits that'd make a Servant cry.

>>1945064
...Servants do not all rely on magic and circuits.

>>1945064

I find it horribly ironic that he used to be so hax, but by Tsukihime is figuratively searching through garbage to find his next meal.

>>1945070
>>Magic

They still rely on thaumaturgical principles. When it comes right down to it, what they're doing is still Magecraft.

>>circuits

ಠ_ಠ

Then how does Archer trace?
Then how does Saber use Excalibur?
Then how does Caster create her secondary bounded field?

DERP DERP DERP

>>1945074

Isn't it sad, Roa?

>>1945094

;_;

In after retards touting a horribly flawed and stupid ranking system that in no way works when considering the dynamics of combat parameters in the Nasuverse.

The best you can reasonably do is quantify a max damage output for each, or compare the characters based on singular attributes such as strength/etc. ORT's been noted as the physically strongest (he was called strongest, not most powerful overall) so he'd be at top there. At the same time, I'd put Gilgamesh or Ado Edem on top for damage output when considering the special (and similar) fuck-shit-up properties of Ea and Slash Emperor.

Also, the idea of putting Gun God and Ado Edem on the same tier level is absolutely stupid. The Knight Arm users are noted to be as strong as the greatest of the A-Rays as a baseline, and Ado Edem is the greatest of the Knight Arms. Gun God, on the other hand, is such a fragile human that virtually anything can take him out before he gets off a shot. He only manages kills in Angel Notes because his targets are fucking gigantic and aren't directly trying to kill him.

>>1945031

Doesn't matter; all attacks, abilities and artifacts are rated "F - EX". Each said designation entails certain standards that are Dependant on the target of the attribute.

For example: Saber has a defense of all magic spells up to rank "A". In short it means any spell below "A" level is nullified, regardless of what that spell entails. So if Castor for instance were to hit saber with a "C" level spell, even if said spell was capable of destroying an entire city with the force of a Nuclear Blast. The result is that Saber would suffer no damage from it directly... This same principle applies to other elements of the Nasuverse as well, so power level discussions are essentially pointless without having a full understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of all available characters.

How did this go from discussions and trolls on Nasu's project to powerlevels?

>>1945146

The basis behind the chart is "who has the higher chance of defeating the other without situational constraints and going solely by ranks, parameters, and statistics." That's it. It doesn't fucking matter if you don't like it; even you admit that it's the best we can do. Thus, we've done it, and the chart is damned good at its job. It has been noted all throughout this thread that other characters have the potential to defeat beings higher than them on the chart, it's just that the odds are against them, so that's why they're lower.

>>1945188

Okay? This doesn't really matter at all. It doesn't change the fact that Gun God is known to be a great shot and anyone he hits is absolutely done for.

>>1945245

As I recall Black Barrel works off the concentration of ether (or whatever it was called that was introduced with the death of Earth) that each being has, so the black barrel is worthless against normal humans. Hence meaning that Gun God is ONLY good against High ether concentration enemies from Angel Notes... or enemies possessing GREAT Magic concentrations.
So simply put Gun God is a "Joker" styled character that is a limited one hit wonder with an all or nothing build. He literally would fail to dispatch almost 50% of all his foes since they fail to meet the requirements that define the attack of the Black Barrel.

Furthermore the Black Barrel simply due to the constrains of the Nasuverse will inevitably have an expanded attack ranking (to fill out the current inconsistencies between older and newer works), and since this is the case it too will fall into the same category that all the NP's in FSN fall into. So If Black Barrel were defined as a "Magic Spell" (It's not but simply for the sake of making the point) and its rank were "C", the attack would have no effect on Saber even if it maintained all its current properties.

>>1944035
Girl's Work looks delicious. The concept makes it sound like it's going to be somewhat like Forest, which means it should be pretty awesome.

>>1945207
Someone claims that 'powerlevels' do not exist when there are so many cases of 'less powerful' beating others due to better preparation, planning or affinity.

And another claims that 'stats' and numbers that are used mostly for guidance and info we have no idea how it works should be the basis to make powerlevels.

It's kinda...pointless.

>>1945301

Incorrect. The particle Ether completes the circuit of thaumaturgy and allows Magecraft to take place even before the end of the world, it just started appearing in such incredibly large amounts after the planet died. Anything with even a small bit of Prana is subject to instantaneous destruction upon impact from a projectile shot via Black Barrel due to Ether interacting with that Prana. Beings like Servants and Aristotles, who are almost made of Prana, are particularly at risk. Even if a being has no Od whatsoever, The Black Barrel's bullet is still a bullet; it'll blow a substantial hole in them.

>>1945245
>damn good at its job
No it isn't, dumbass. Any servant could gank Gun God before he even aims. Most of the other people he's placed above could do the same.
By no means are the odds against a servant in a fight against Gun God, who has human parameters.

He's an awesome character and all, but his only victories come from the fact that his enemies don't give a shit about him.

Also, Ado Edem's Slash Emperor has the same properties as Ea without the charge time. Because it automatically becomes large enough to cleave any target. At the speed of thought. Somehow I think the "odds are against" any of the Types, when facing such a foe. This is especially notable when we consider the aforementioned high parameters Ado Edem has (likely the highest of any humanoid form in the Angel Notes time period).

>>1945327
Forest?

Count the number of times the phrases "Someone claims" or "someone said" have been stated in this thread.

>>1946014
Someone claims : 1
Someone said : 0

>>1946021
Actually, because of your post, the post you quoted, and my post, its:
Someone Claims: 4
Someone Said: 3

>>1946014
You mean "Nasu said" and "according to Nasu"--particularly when no source was cited.

I like how this thread managed to prove the "TYPE MOON IS POWERLEVEL SHIT" guy right.

The TM fans have no self-control.

Tsukihime remake with voiced sex scenes, where ?

>>1946230
You're probably the same faggot that made all the earlier POWERLEVELING LOLOLOL posts.

All you've proven is that trolls never learn any new tricks.