/jp/ - Otaku Culture

that shop must have taken a long time

it took a lot of hours in mspaint

ほ

>>19420816
>>19420869
you still here anon?

>>19421213
yeah, got the link?

>>19421218
even though I could only find the first set from 4 I hope this is mega helpful if you know what I mean
#F!nzQz3IJS!BJ0L5e5KyhzacxehwWzlSA

>>19421218
and level 2
#F!z3QDAIYC!oWy-HgBIzVRCOv77ezyQhw

Looks like Jamal was too eager to have his dose of /djt/ to wait for somebody else to make the thread.

we back in the saddle

>>19421233
>>19421243
That's perfect. Thankyou so much.

Is 操祈 a word?

yeah its a word assigned to identify her as individual from other individuals

you fucking deleted it you got dang dunce dont be a pussy

>>19421305
it means jamal

>>19421327
i wish it was me she looks like shes havin a good time

what manga is this

I really want to learn Japanese the same way I did English, but I have no idea how I learned English in the first place.

>>19421387
>I want to take 18 years to learn a second language too
i think there's a subreddit for that, why not go look there

>>19421332
よつばと!

>>19421387
>how I learned English
Judging by that post I'd say you never really did.

This is the ideal figure for learning Japanese. Everyone should strive for it if they wish to learn Japanese as effectively as possible. Start fasting.

this is the ideal figure for learning nihongo everyone should strive for it if they wish to learn nihongo as effectively as possible start drinking 牛乳

aren't you lactose intolerant?

but who would win in a fight?

Time for those anki reps

why do you think his haircut is so lop sided

>と思います

>>19421556
This guy memorized the French dictionnary to a point where he won the international French scrabble tournament.
In 9 weeks.

You can guarantee he used mnemonics to do so, as do memory champions. Mnemonics are more powerful than repeated exposure.

Why is ハレンチ used so weirdly?

what do you know about halenchi shit

>>19421825
Why are you British?

>>19421176
Hey, sorry if this is a weird post but I figured that it could be useful to some people.

My girlfriend asked me to fill out this fetish bingo thing and I knew basically none of the words, so I spent quite a while googling them and trying to figure out what they mean since they aren't all in the dictionary. Might as well share what I found with you guys. If you have any corrections, please let me know!

EDIT: This thread has grown A LOT and I have gotten tons of suggestions and extra words from all of you. I've added all of them to the list. This is now not so much about that fetish bingo image anymore, but instead much more about having a giant list of all kinds of sex-related words. I hope this can help all of you out there find your favorite porn and talk dirty to those J-girls!
Kanji Kana English
コンドーム (alt. ゴム) Condom
言葉責め ことばぜめ Using words to make the other person feel embarrassed (Look how wet you are already, you're such a whore, where do you want my dick next?)
生理 せいり Menstruation / period
腋コキ わきこき Having the girl "fuck your dick" with her armpit
公開プレイ こうかいプレイ Public play
洗脳 せんのう Brainwashing (long term psychological control)
女性処女 しょじょ Virgin (female)
童貞 どうてい Virgin (male)
処女喪失/処女消失 しょじょそうしつ Taking away the virginity of a female, "first time" sex
童貞喪失/童貞消失 どうていそうしつ Taking away the virginity of a male, "first time" sex
ストーカー Stalker
キスマーク Kiss mark
監禁 かんきん Confinement
人妻 ひとづま Married woman
未亡人 みぼうじん Widow
淫語 いんご Dirty talk
DV Domestic Violence

thx dude big ups

>>19421855
I ain't reading all that shit by you.

>>19421855
脳姦 のうかん Not sure about this one, but seems to mean something along the lines of either literally or metaphorically fucking the brains out.
ケモ耳 ケモみみ Wearing animal (but usually cat) ears
ふたなり Girls with dicks
浣腸 かんちょう Enema (putting water or other liquids inside the anus)
陥没乳首 かんぼつちくび Depressed (inward-facing) nipple
青姦 あおかん Outdoor sex, sex under the stars
電気責め でんきせめ Torture with electricity
スパンキング Spanking
腹パン はらパン Punching the stomach
寝取られ (NTR) ねとられ (NTR) Cuckold, when one's partner has sex with someone else
アクメ地獄 アクメじごく Orgasm hell (the receiver is often tied up so they can't escape, thus "hell")
素股 すまた Intercrural sex, simply creating friction with the penis between the other persons thighs, not penerating
バイブ Vibration (from a sex toy)
アナルパール Anal beads (Lit. anal pearls)
獣姦 じゅうかん Bestiality, sodomy
女体化 じょたいか Feminization, turning the male into a female
ラブラブ Lovey dovey, sweet love
産卵 さんらん Egg-laying, probably means "to have aliens lay eggs inside of you", and not just having the male cum inside
屍姦 しかん Necrophilia
お風呂 おふろ Bathtub
子宮脱 しきゅうだつ Uterine prolapse
三角木馬 さんかくもくば A triangular wooden horse you can sit on top of
乳ズリ ちちズリ Dick against the nipples (or 乳首 ちくびズリ)
複数プレイ ふくすうプレイ Multiple people (Maybe 1 person receives from all the others)
嘔吐 おうと Vomiting
フェラチオ (alt. フェラ) Blowjob
亀頭責め きとうせめ Glans torture (Seems to mean anything from tying up the penis to using sex toys to stimulate the penis)
お仕置き おしおき Punishment

>>19421882
鼻水 （精液含む） はなみず （せいえきふくむ） Running nose (Can't tell exactly what this means, but it's basically cum in the nose)
逆レイプ ぎゃくレイプ Reverse rape (the girl puts the guys penis inside of her against his will, not pegging)
串刺し くしざし Being skewed, impaled, "spit roasting"
トロ顔 トロがお Doing a face where your mouth is open, tongue slightly hanging out and your eyes and rest of the face looks exhausted and relaxed
四肢切断 ししせつだん Amputee, cutting off limbs
フィスト Fisting
中出し なかだし Cumming inside without condom
心太 トコロテン Prostate orgasm (Not sure about this one)
触手 しょくしゅ Tentacle
媚薬 びやく Aphrodisiac (Drug that makes you more horny)
緊縛 きんばく Bondage (Or just ボンデージ)
目隠し めかくし Blindfolding
おにショタ Man and young girl (Related to shotacon, probably underage)
あねショタ Woman and young boy (Related to shotacon, probably underage)
顔射 がんしゃ Facial (cum on her face)
キス Kiss
幼児化 じょうじか Infantification? Being treated as a baby
飲尿 いんにょう Drinking urine
ピアッシング Piercing (not the attraction to piercings, but instead getting pleasure from being pierced in often unusual ways)
前立腺責めエネマグラ ぜんりつせんせめエネマグラ Prostate torture (With an エネマグラ I assume? It's a sex toy called Enemagra)
くすぐり Tickling
自慰 じい Masturbation (more commonly オナニー)
断面図 だんめんず (Mostly used during "anime porn") The penis and the vagina "walls" are visible during intercourse as if you could see through skin.
蟲姦 ちゅうかん Giant insect rape
二穴責め ふたあなせめ Fucking the girl in both holes
幼児退行 ようじたいこ Not sure, but seems to mean an adult who acts like an infant/baby
結腸責め けっちょうせめ Not really sure... Aggressive "anal torture with big/long dildos"?
拡張 かくちょう Expansion
スカトロ Scat
尿道責め にょうどうせめ Sounding
脱肛 だっこう Anal prolapse
攻の尻弄り せめのしりいじり Playing with the ass of the dominant partner in a homosexual relationship
窒息 ちっそく Breathplay or suffocation (首締め くびしめ strangling)
纏足 てんそく Foot binding
女王様 じょおうさま Queen fetish (Treating the woman like a queen?)
視姦 しかん Staring at your partner during a sexual act in an attempt to make them feel embarrassed (which they like?)
想像妊娠 そうぞうにんしん Imagining pregnancy, pretending to be pregnant
連結 れんけつ Several people fucking each other in a line

>>19421892
機械姦 きかいかん Machine-fucking (Fucking apparatus)
強姦 ごうかん Rape
モブ There only needs to be a dick, the guy itself is irrelevant
鼻フック はなフック Nose hook
男百合 だんゆり Bottom + Bottom gay coupling
水責め みずせめ Water torture
剃毛 ていもう Shaving
肉便器 にくべんき Using the girl as nothing but a piece of meat (Nothing but a vagina), cum dumpster
痴漢 ちかん Molester (often public), pervert
売春 ばいしゅん Prostitution
双頭バイブ そうとうバイブ Double headed dildo with vibration?
ボテ腹 ボテはら Belly inflation or swelling
イラマチオ Deep throat
乳首責め ちくびせめ Nipple tourture/play
ローター Vibrating egg
女装 じょそう Wearing female clothing
空イキ くうイキ?/からイキ? Orgasming without cum coming out (Don't really understand how this can be a fetish? Is there something I'm missing?)
欠損 けっそん Amputee
ごっくん Swallowing cum
食ザー しょくザー Eating semen (Maybe in food?)
寸止め すんどめ Stopping right before orgasm
射精管理 しゃせいかんり Orgasm control, orgasm denial
眼孔姦 がんこうかん Eye socket fucking
放置プレイ ほうちプレイ Abandonment-play (Things like tying them up or shoving a vibrating dildo in there, then leaving them)
オナホール (abr. オナホ) Fleshlight, Masturbation aid in the shape of a vagina
近親相姦 きんしんそうかん Incest
開口具 かいこうぐ Mouth-opening device
スローセックス Slow sex
異物挿入 いぶつそうにゅう Insertion of non-human objects like vegetables and bottles
二輪挿し にりんさし Two dicks in one hole (Word play on 一輪挿し which means a vase for one flower)
足コキ あしコキ Footjob
薬キメ くすりキメ Doing drugs (while having sex)?
睡眠姦 すいみんかん Rape on a sleeping person
クン二 Cunnilingus
テレフォンセックス Telephone sex
潮吹き しおふき Squirting, female ejaculation
カニバ Cannibalism
不感症 ふかんしょう Frigidity, no caring about sex
アヘ顔 アヘがお Being fucked so hard that you eventually just space out and make the famous "ahegao" face
奇形異形 きけいいぎょう Abnormal birth defects(?)
拘束 こうそく Restraining, bondage
性癖 せいへき Fetish (more specifically, a habit or thing you do because of some underlying preferences that come to show when you do said actions)
ドＳ ドエス Sadist (but is generally just used to describe people who like to inflict pain on other people or take control)
ドＭ ドエム Masochist (but is generally just used to describe people who like to be controlled)
責め せめ To criticize / torment often to the point of provoking some action, to "torture", to play, to take control (seems like this word can mean everything)
アソコ "Down there"
コキ Having your dick stroked by some part of your partner's body that isn't a hole. For example, hands, boobs, feet.
~姦 ~かん Usually some crazy sexual act.
フェチ Sexual fetishism of non-genital body parts or attributes. (for example 脚フェチ、メガネフェチ、ナースフェチ, etc.)
駅弁 えきべん Sex in a position where a man stands holding a girl whose legs are wrapped around him.
調教 ちょうきょう "Training." Can refer to either bdsm or the general concept of taking an innocent girl and "teaching" her to like sex.
AV Porn (Literally adult video)
ハメ撮り ハメどり Filming while having sex
素人 しろうと Amateur
ナンパする To approach/pick up a girl
逆ナン ぎゃくナン To approach/pick up a guy
盗撮 とうさつ Voyeur
隠し撮り かくしどり Hidden cam
覗き のぞき Peeping
巨乳 きょにゅう Huge tits
貧乳 ひんにゅう Flat chest
ぺったんこ Flat chest
パイズリ Tit fuck
パンチラ Visible underwear
レズ Lesbian
ゲイ Gay
無修正 むしゅうせい Uncensored
勃起 ぼっき Erection
丸呑み まるのみ Vore, swallowing hole
攻め せめ Top (gay)
凸 タチ Top (gay)
受け ウケ Bottom (gay)
凹 ウケ Bottom (gay)
猫 ねこ Bottom (gay)
エッチ Sex, sexual, lewd
エロ Pornographic (prefix)
アナニー Anal masturbation
ラブホテル (abr. ラブホ) Hotels with a lot of privacy. People tend to have sex in them.

>>19421855
>腋コキ わきこき Having the girl "fuck your dick" with her armpit

>>19421897
マンコ Pusy
ビッチ Slut
ちんちん, チンコ, チンポ Weiner
イく To cum
お漏らし おもらし Wetting oneself
獣 ケモ/ケモノ Furry (yiff)
角女 かどおんな A woman who uses the corner of an inanimate object as a masturbation aid
角オナニー かどオナニー When using the corner of an object to masturbate
しまぱん Striped panties
バブみ The love for a younger girl as a child for a mother (Not sure what this means)
交尾 こうび Mating (among animals, but also used to refer to human sex with an animal)
二次元愛 にじげんあい 2d love
おかず Material (physical or fantasy) that one masturbates to
リョナ Porn in which a character is physically attacked or tortured into submission by another
ブルセーラ A location at which one can buy or sell used clothing items from schoolgirls (panties for example)
絶対領域 ぜったいりょういき ZR, "absolute territory" - the gap between stockings and a skirt
ロリドム A young girl in a position of (sexual, relational) authority, loli + dom
手コキ てコキ Handjob
AV鑑賞 AVかんしょう The act of watching/enjoying porn
むっちり Thick maybe? not quite chubby.
ぽっちゃり Chubby
豊満 ほうまん Plump
デブ Fat
熟女 じゅくじょ MILF
爆乳 ばくにゅう Massive tits
爆尻 ばくじり Massive ass
平然 へいぜん Bored/ignored sex fetishism
企画 きかく "Scenario" porn (think of like the ones where it's a game show or whatever)
筆おろし ふでおろし Man's first sexual experience (lit. "dipping a brush")
パイパン Shaved pussy
着衣 ちゃくい Clothed/cfnm
我慢汁 がまんじる Pre-cum
パンフェラ Blowjob through underwear
痴女 ちじょ Lewd/sexually aggressive woman, female version of chikan
ペニパン Strap-on
ギリモザイク Mosaic that barely covers the genitals
解禁 かいきん Letting go of inhibition
初撮り はつどり First film
侮辱 ぶじょく Insult/humiliation
即ハメ そくハメ Immediate penetration/fucking (like a guy walks in, rips off her clothes, and immediately has at it)
乱交 らんこう Orgy
不倫 ふりん Infidelity/adultery
正常位 せいじょうい Missionary
騎乗位 きじょうい Cowgirl
3P Threesome
ピストン Thrusting
セフレ Friend with benefits/fuck buddy ("sex friend")
ボディコン Tight-fitting/revealing clothing
日焼けあと ひやけあと Tanlines
CA Flight attendant
制服 せいふく Uniform
M字 Mじ Spread eagle/legs open
露出 ろしゅつ Exhibitionism
夜這い よばい Sneaking into a woman's bed at night
拷問 ごうもん Torture
破廉恥 ハレンチ Shameless
ビッチ Slut, girls who likes to have sex
ヤリマン Slut
合コン ごうこん Blind date
王様ゲーム おうさまゲーム "King game" (think of it like truth or dare without the truth option I guess)
女子アナ じょしアナ Female newsreader
孕ませる はらませる To impregnate
妄想 もうそう Fantasy
マジックミラー One-way mirror
発情する はつじょう To be aroused (literally "to be in heat/estrus")
生 なま Bareback
疑似百合 ぎじゆり "Pseudo yuri", trap x girl yuri
偽百合 にせゆり "Fake yuri", trap x girl yuri.
賢者タイム けんじゃタイム Period after orgasm when a man is free from sexual desire and can think clearly (Lit. wise man time)
精液 せいえき Cum, semen
素人童貞 しろうとどうてい A man who's only ever had sex with prostitutes.
ゆり Girl's love
ロリ Loli, young/small girls
ご主人様 ごしゅじんさま Master, often said by maids or girls in similar "positions" to their male partner
ワンワンスタイル/バック Doggie style, the sexual position
くぱぁ Onomatopoeia for the sound of the the labia being spread apart.
ぶっかけ Bukkake, lots of cum all over the face
泥酔姦 でいすいかん Rape on a (very) drunk person
おもちゃ Toy (in the context of sex, sex toy)
多人数 たにんず Many people (gang bang?)
温泉 おんせん Hot spring
尻コキ しりコキ Rubbing the dick between the buttocks, but no penetration
壁尻 かべしり Being stuck in a wall so only your butt (and maybe legs) stick out on the other side for people to play with
声ガマン こえガマン Trying to be quiet during sex
露出狂 ろしゅつきょう Exhibitionist, flahser
ショタ化 ショタか Something about liking young boys, or boys younger than yourself?

now i know how to find subpar porno that i cant jack off to on japanese porno sites

It's like having your tom johnson between two dicks.

I dont know if I should feel proud but I knew basically all of those already

Let me try and explain は and が for you,

Yes, it’s this topic. Let me start by saying that I don’t think any popular Japanese textbook provides a proper breakdown of the differing nuances belonging to these two particles. Please don’t underestimate how difficult this topic is. The most useful resources I’ve ever come across talking about this topic are The Structure of the Japanese Language and Japanese A Linguistic Introduction, which, even though written by professional linguists, still use 58 and 13 pages respectively (yes you read those numbers correctly) to explain the various uses of and differences between は and が. Excessive? Probably. There's a lot of very technical examples in those books that you'll probably rarely use. But if you’re like me, you’ll eventually get to the stage where you think you finally get it but you come across more and more sentences where you just can’t really figure out why は is used instead of が and vice versa. This post is my attempt to “condense” all I’ve learnt about this topic and I really hope it helps you even though there’s still a good chance that I will miss something.

The Notion of “Identifiability”

One of the main reasons why people find は and が confusing is that sentences are often studied in isolation when learning grammar. For the large majority of grammar points, this is not a problem at all. In this case, it is a very big problem.

Take, for instance, the two sentences 机の上に食べ物がある and 食べ物は机の上にある. Both sentences are grammatically correct even if you change the particles and sentence structure around. However, depending on the context, one of the sentences will be conceptually incorrect even if it is grammatically correct. This is very important. Whenever you use Xは, you are making the assumption that whomever you are addressing knows what X refers to.

Let’s say you go over to your friend Willard’s house and the first thing he says to you is “Hey dude, the food’s on the table!” But you don’t know anything about any food because he hasn’t mentioned anything about any food. So naturally, you have no idea what he’s talking about and would say something like “Huh? What food?” in response.

However, now let’s say that your friend says “Hey dude! By the way, if you’re hungry, there is food on the table that I just made!” This makes sense both conceptually and grammatically. Your friend has introduced the concept of food he made into the realm of identifiable things, which I will refer to from this point on as discourse. From this point on, Willard can refer to the food without having to clarify it every time because now you know exactly what food he’s talking about.

Now you know that when they teach you いる and ある, why they always tell you to use が before the verbs because it would make no sense to say out of the blue “Wow, the cat’s on the table” or the Japanese equivalent うわ、机の上に猫はある without any prior context because just what exactly is this cat you’re talking about?

So to wrap up this introduction, you can only use は to mark identifiable things. Use が to introduce unidentifiable things.

Let's break it down

Let’s go through the various situations one by one.

1: Anaphoric topics

You use は to refer back to things you have introduced into the realm of identifiable things using が. I will use the classic tale of Momotaro to explain this:

昔々あるところにおじいさんとおばあさんが住んでいました。ある日おじいさんは山へ柴刈りに、おばあさんは川へ洗濯に行きました。

A long long time ago, there lived an old man and an old woman. One day, the old man went to the mountain to gather firewood, and the old woman went to the river to wash clothes.

In the first sentence, you cannot use は because the old man and the old woman have not yet been introduced into the discourse. Once you have introduced them with が, you can then use は (as seen in the second sentence) because you, as the reader, now know that the old man and the old woman of the second sentence are the same old man and old woman introduced in the first sentence.

2: Generic topics

Topics which you can reasonably expect the average person to know about do not need to be introduced with が since generic concepts, e.g. “the brain”, “dogs”, “cheese”, are accepted to be a part of common discourse. That’s why whenever you are talking about generic topics, it’s okay to use は.

人間はすばらしい！ (Humans are wonderful!)

If the person you are talking to doesn’t know what “humans” refers to, well, don’t worry. Japanese grammar doesn’t make exceptions for those kinds of people

>>19421977
3: General comments and specific comments

Basically, this situation clears up the differences between very similar sentences with only a different particle usage. So what’s the difference between 人は死ぬ and 人が死ぬ? Well, the first sentence is the general comment type and the second sentence is the specific comment. In this case, specific comments are comments made in response to something, and general comments are comments made about something as a concept.

In the first sentence, we know using は is okay because 人 is a generic topic. In much the same vein, a suitable translation for the first sentence would be something like “All men die”, a general comment on the topic of humans, if you will.

The second sentence is trickier. In isolation, saying this sentence wouldn’t make much sense. This is the kind of sentence that is said in response to something. Let’s say you see on the news that there’s a nuclear meltdown at Plant X. Here, the second sentence is a much better response since this sentence is not a general statement about humans as a whole. It is a statement predicting what will happen to the specific humans at Plant X.

Two final examples. Let’s say you have a headache. You would say 頭が痛い instead of 頭は痛い. Why? Because a general comment about heads hurting doesn’t make any sense (Heads hurt???) if you’re trying to convey that your head is hurting in response to the pain you feel. Hence you use が because saying that your head hurts is a specific comment, not a general comment.

What about 空が青い and 空は青い? What’s the difference? Well, the sky is generally blue, so the second sentence is a correct general comment. The first sentence is a specific comment made in a specific situation: “The sky is blue! (because I’m looking at it and I can see that it’s blue)". Now, you could theoretically say something like 空は赤い (The sky is red) and while it’s perfectly okay grammatically and conceptually in terms of using は, it’s factually wrong. On the other hand, 空が赤い is totally okay if there’s a beautiful sunset happening and just for a while, the sky is red.

4: Spontaneous situations

A less complicated topic but an important one nonetheless, and certainly one I didn’t even think about until I came across it. I will use a scenario which I will take directly from Japanese A Linguistic Introduction because it is excellent. I don’t think anyone has any trouble knowing when to use “I’m going to X” and “I will X”. For instance, if your friend Willard is walking next to you and he drops his pen, you wouldn’t say “I’m going to get it” because “going to” has the nuance of something you planned in advance. You would say “I’ll get it”, because this is a spontaneous situation in which you have made a spontaneous decision.

It just so happens that Japanese makes this distinction too. What’s the correct response to しまった、宿題をしなかったんだ (Crap, I didn’t do my homework)? It’s something like 心配するな、私がしてやるから (Don’t worry, I’ll do it for you)。You use が because it conveys a decision you just made.

However, if the question is something like 皆、今日の講義に行く? (Is everyone going to today’s lecture?), you’d use は and say 私は行きません because this is probably something you decided ahead of time. In English, you wouldn’t say “I won’t go” here. You’d say “I’m not going (to go)”.

5: Contrastive は

This is probably the easiest point to understand. Whenever you are contrasting two things or concepts in a sentence, you mark both using は. まことさんはきましたが、あきらさんはきませんでした。(Makoto came, but Akira didn’t). 雑誌って? 買いはしますが、よみはしません。(Magazines? Well, I buy them but I don't read them). Simple as that.

One extra thing to mention here is that having a contrastive は allows sentences such as 手紙はきました to exist independently even though it seems this kind of sentence contradicts all the other rules. The truth is, this sentence, as it is, is ambiguous. If you know what letter the sentence is talking about (an identifiable thing), then it’s a very simple sentence: “The letter came”.

However, if you don’t know about the letter (e.g. you’re not expecting a letter from someone, it’s just a random letter), then は here implies some other fact that is in contrast to “A letter came”. It just hasn’t been said here. It could be anything. “A (not the) letter came (but your package didn’t).”; “A letter came (but nothing else did).” That's the kind of nuance being expressed here. There are variants of a good example involving food exploring this further. When you say something like 今日は食べ物美味しいですね it kind of sounds like you're implying today's food is good.

>>19421981
6: Definitive が

This topic is concerned with が taking on an "exhaustive" meaning. Let’s take the exchange だれがこれをつくったんですか。--> 私が作りました。(Who made this? I made it). Using は here is not correct because you are saying that you are the one who made it and not anyone else.

Let’s look at another scenario. There are three people: A, B, and C. They have just met and don't know anything about each other.

A: 誰が寿司が好きですか。(Who likes sushi?)

B: 私は好きです。(I do)

C: 私はあまり好きじゃないです。(I don’t really like it)

A: そうか。じゃ、Bが寿司が好きですね。(I see. So B [and only B] likes sushi, right?)

B likes sushi. C doesn’t like sushi. In this scenario, only B likes sushi and hence you use が. This is termed the “exhaustive が” in The Structure of the Japanese Language. You can't use は in the last sentence because that would imply that A doesn't know if anyone else besides B (in this case just C) in the group likes sushi. That's why when B first answers, he uses は because he doesn't know if C likes sushi or not. But A has full knowledge of every person's fondness for sushi, so A can use が.

Conclusion

Anyway, thanks for reading this far. Hope you learnt something. I'll add to/edit this post later if needed. If I got something wrong, please correct me. Also, I highly recommend the two books I mentioned at the start. It really digs deep into fundamental concepts in Japanese grammar. It's pretty hardcore, but hey, what's learning a language without a lot of pain?

i didnt look at that giant wall of porno search words but i bet he didnt do any of the real good ones like rusty trombone dirty sanchez or space docking or the act of just stuffing your nuts in her butt hole whilst having normal intercourse

hold on though i am gonna read this giant wall about は and が

>>19421989
>i didn't do any of the real good ones
read "pusy:

は vs が dude i stopped here
>Once you have introduced them with が

こんにちが

thanks, matt

Give up while you can kids.

Anyone know how to fix then? Yomichan stopped importing the tags that tell you if a definition is an noun, adjectival noun, verb, verbal noun, or i-adjective.

>>19422022
Another victim of Gomichan.

Damn I thought that was 呻る
how silly of me.

>>19422016
Is this image a meme?

>>19422022
Keep a backup copy before you fiddle with anki.

Once I set everything as I want I literally never play with it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxsOOt248bU
>not doing RTK

>>19422063
It's whatever you want it to be.

>>19422087
imagine if they had mattvsjapan on this segment. would have been epic.

>>19422087
This man actually learned to remember the kanji by their etymology instead of Mr T and Spiderman

>>19422111
i think matt is smart enough to turn that shit down to avoid killing his brand entirely

>Leave for a few hours
>See 33 new posts on tab
>Expect spicy memes
>Get pasta
>I'm quoting me btw

>>19422140
but you havent introduced the post youre quoting with が yet

>>19422148
Sorry sorry
>が思いました

no you gotta introduce the post with が you can do the actual quoting of the particle later you just gotta introduce it first

otherwise peopled think youre just going off on shit outta nowhere

僕らがゲイだと思う

Here's your spicy meme.

>>19422195
私がnone of this helps me learn Japanese thoughだと思います

well for starters you used ga in the wrong place

>>19422217
私がproves my point doesn't itだと思います

no your quints do

>>19422217
お前のi think that's the jokeから思いも

is this how that dude who tries to tell me im not funny feels after reading my posts

Are there any good resources for dialect-heavy content, particularly grammar and slang? Reading Monobeno soon and i'm use the dictionaries in the OP probably won't find everything

Yes, learn to revel in it.

>>19422247
10000 hours of anime straight outta 田舎

and yotubato

https://vocaroo.com/i/basedsPeEAs55P

>>19422111
He wouldn't do well but he said he's somewhat considered going for level 1 because Anki would alleviate a lot of the difficulty in studying.

When did you realize that chuuni is just like rap music?

>>19422434
Before I knew what chuuni meant.

chunni and isekai are gay rap however owns epically

>>19421176
Stupid question, sorry for taking up space but does anybody know if there's a public anki deck just for 慣用句・諺 and other in that same vein?

Does subs2srs audio cut off after 1 second in anki for anyone else?

I've been out for a few days, are lowercase posters gone yet?

Who's taking N3 in December? I don't know if I'm gonna make it.

Don't bother with anything other than N1, and N1 is only to show off to normies who don't know any better.

>>19422708
I took N3 last december when I was 1.5 years into Japanese and it was pretty easy, I even aced the reading part. If you've been studying for more than one year and are not braindead it should be a breeze.

>>19422722
I took n3 when I was 4 months into Japanese.

2 months in and self-assessed N6 here.

so, I've read yotsuba and can understand about 80%.i want to move onto something harder, do you guys have any recommendations?

>>19422750
You will make it. I can feel it in my DoJG.

im n-ゲイ

>>19422754
naurto

>>19422754
My dick

>>19422771
Now that's a good post.

>>19422771
reported

>>19422754
Manga isn't reading though.

>>19422771
Start fasting and go straight to reading LNs or books.

He did it, the absolute madman.

Meant to reply to >>19422754

>>19422754
Go through https://vndb.org/v/rand until you find one whose summary/themes/screenshots make it seem like an easy enough read.

if you only understand 80% of what youre reading you shouldnt be reading harder things you should be reading more things like it

>>19422754
My dick

>>19422816
face it your dick sucks

https://youtu.be/7MJSZn8voDo?t=2m55s
Apparently our guy has the shindame

I thought VNs were like manga but they must be significantly more advanced because they are a popular recommendation for intermediate learners here.

>>19422826
>his Japanese is excellent
What is this, the 4th time a native has confirmed Matt's ability that has been posted on /jp/?

>>19422836
まあああああああそうだら

when japanese man put on smile and say yes very good his kokoro actually saying very shitto

when japanese man try to look neutral and say maybe he mean no fackingu wei

そうだにゃ

僕はまあああああそうだらまあああああmattoですまああ今日はまああああああああああ何かまあああああああああああああああああああ自己紹介したいとまああ思いますまあ

Certain people in this thread always get nervous when somebody mentions matt. I wonder why...

matts fuckin gay im not nervous bring him here and have him rap battle me for 500 to 1000 dollar usd

僕はセックスが大好き

まあああああああああああああああああああああそうだらまあああああああああなんかまあああああああイライラしてるまあああみたいですまあああねまああ

>>19422870
i like your japanese it is very friendly atmosphere

>>19422876
ありがとう
僕もお前の日本語が好き

僕はねまああああああああああみんなのまああああああ日本語がまあああああああああ好きですまあああああみんなAJATTまあああああだからねまああああああ

youre going to turn into a sheep if you keep ma-ing like that

A native whose specialty is pronunciation produces a series specifically geared toward nitpicking people who are at a high level. Moreover nips have mistaken Matt for a native speaker before. It's crazy how good this guy is.

Alright guys I'm done this has got to be matt posting
I'm tweeting you right now, don't be a pussy and come to the DJT showdown I'll tell you who's the boss around here you bitch

real talk *eats a clump of natto* if you got matt in here hes gonna be all moms spaghetti in the bathroom like eminem in 8 mile except hes in his bedroom nervous peeing into a jug all 死んだ目

native japanese probably "mistook" matt for a native for like 5 seconds but then when the まあs started suddenly the realisation hit and they were left speechless
in order to not hurt matt's reputation any further than the まあs did obviously they wouldn't tell the truth about matt's japanese, I mean there's really nothing to hide here but dekinais are bad enough to not be able to tell how bad his japanese actually is and just follow him blindly like a cult
alternatively they were just paid to say so because matt needs more patreons to fund his piss jug collection but that's boring

matt cant even pay for his own place to live he cant pay people to post

Imagine coming in here specifically to protect your overlord's honor from being hurt by a bunch of shitposters.

I'm not shitposting bro, I'm dropping some truth bombs here. You all are free to listen or not but just know that I'm the nihongo master therefore I'm always right.

>>19422927
Wrong I'm here to get tips from experts. Destroying Jamal's attacks against Matt is just a bonus.

Hey guys is this the place to learn moon?

What a fucking shitshow.

>>19422815
this is false especially when it's manga

oops looks like you fell into jamals 井戸. there is no way out. enjoy your stay

>>19422942
no I think you took the wrong turn
here you go https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/

>>19422940
destroying how? i dont see any kind of 出撃 or 反撃 or frankly any kind of 撃 only moms spaghetti

you cant hang when the posting gets real

btw minna げんき?

>>19422950
yeah, matt's japanese is pretty sad. I don't know if I could call it a shitshow though, it's worse than that

>>19422974
im the watering hose

>>19422940
but james is unironically the best person here

How does one 反撃 when they haven't been 撃たれた

>>19422961
what the FUCK is a sortie

>>19422992
well usually it happens after some kind of perceived 攻撃 by your 敵

ビフテキ

I feel like there's only about 15 people in this thread at all times and the only reason why the IP count reaches 70 is because of flexible IPs

>>19423026
Nah, it's just jamal and his dementia.

>>19423026
私がもそうだと思うます

>>19423026
nah there are 10-20 regulars and every thread gets about 50 random posters that can't read the guide and usually fuck off promptly

>>19423045
>と思うます
出来なかったんですよね

>>19423045
日本語お上手ですね！！まるでネイティブと変わらない上手さですね！！！

>>19423040
stfu you tundere bitch!!

>>19423071
Stop replying to yourself.

>>19423058
私がごめんなさい.

>>19423062
君もありがとう

>>19423083
you stop replying to yourself

>彼女がいないの想い
最低だ

omoitatiha zettai saiten desitan demo sukinanoyo

>>19423105
兄貴。。。

>>19423105
僕ちんこがついてますがよかったら彼女になります

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUsqrKSvC3I

>tfw fell for the "kanji is hard meme"
>find it piss easy to learn
>whats actually hard is the pants on the head retarded contextual grammar and shit
holy fuck, don't get me started on pitch accent

>>19423373
hope you're reading more now

>>19423404
That’s what I’m doing, I can’t believe I let brainlets trick me like that, fucking hell

>tfw fell for the "kanji is hard meme"
>it actually is hard
>grammar you'll just naturally pick up through reading
Glad I'm doing RTK.

>>19423475
>>grammar you'll just naturally pick up through reading
i'll be looking forward to your opinion when you are no longer a beginner

>>19423546
Whoops forgot to mention you'll naturally throw the grammar you don't understand into google or crtl+f DoJG and naturally read the explanation and naturally skip the sentence if it still doesn't make sense. I haven't even started learning and it's already easy. Kanji on the other hand...

Is there footage anywhere of Matt having a conversation in Japanese that isn't scripted?

>>19423555
easy grammar is easy
hard grammar is hard
this is true in most languages
i'll be looking forward to your opinion when you are no longer a beginner
kanji is fucking easy after you know a couple hundred by the way

>>19423566
>i'll be looking forward to your opinion when you are no longer a beginner
I'll be here bucko. I'm prepared to eat my words but I know I'm right.

>>19423563
probably not but if there is it's probably paywalled
it would be inefficient to show people your ability before they're convinced that you're jesus

>>19423563
yea but it's as anon says
>>19423576

Anyone else feel like they're studying because they already put in so much time?

>>19423373
What did you use to study kanji? Might just do that for some months, honestly.

>>19423610
nah i'm still learning japanese because i want to know japanese

>>19423610
No, but I'm getting there. Feels like I'm spinning my wheels in the mud cause I don't feel like I've made any real progress in a while. Very frustrating to still be struggling with basic grammar after 6 months.

>>19423633
are you reading enough and what are you reading

>>19423633
I think my problem is that I've lost interest in the subjects I'd read native material for. Don't really enjoy anime/manga, video games, etc. any more (even in English).

>>19423617
I started with rtk first, it might be a meme here but it teaches you pretty damn good shit. Makes learning shit easier but don’t fall for the “learning rtk will speed up my japanese” meme.

All it does is lay a nice foundation for you, some the keyword choices are fucking stupid though, etc “私" is private.

One good tip is to just speed through rtk, optimal time to finish is 2-3 months. Anymore than that and you’ll be like those core drones that use fixed premade decks without moving on when they should have a decent amount of words.

>>19422827
Japanese text difficulty power ranking:
Manga>hiragana only books for babies that are learning to read>vn>ln
Nothing else matters

>>19423610
Me. The shit thing about Japanese is that the point you realize it's impossible comes after the point you've spent too much time to stop.

>>19423633
>>19423648
Start sentence mining, 1 hour of anki, 3 hours of reading, 2 hours of active listening minimum.

>>19423644
What did you use after RTK? I was gifted a copy of KKLC so I was going to use that.

>>19423653
daily?

>>19423654
can't tell if troll or redditor

>>19423634
I dunno how much is "enough", but I try and spend an hour a day reading at least. All I can really do right now is find a translated manga that I think I'll like and then find raws for it. Then read the raw and check after I finish the page how accurate I was. This probably opens me up to getting fucked by a bad translator, though.

>>19423637
I don't have that problem, but the stuff I wanna read is too high level or requires a monetary investment I can't justify until I know I have at least a decent grasp.

>>19423653
30 minutes of anki, no more
2 hours of active listening might be overkill if you wouldn't be able to understand what you're listening to even if you were reading it, until you get a bigger vocabulary

>>19423654
I mined Tae Kim then went straight to native material and mine anything I find interesting.

Also people say kklcmos better than rtk but it’s pretty garbage, due to the fact that you learn too many things at once when the human brain finds it easier to learn it like “A+B=C”

It’s what I did, go through rtk, mine Tae Kim and glance through grammar points I get stuck on. Since I’m familiar with the kanji it takes little effort to remember shit so you can pretty much go through the Tae kim grammar guide or the book in like a month.

Pro tip. Don’t do fucking genki

Hey, how does Japan look at American Main Stream Media?

Do they trust the lies, or do they know they know they need to talk to the customers?

American Main Stream Media doesn't buy Japanese entertainment, games or products.

I buy squid from Japan because it goes well with beer.

I can't see how Japan, land of the "What you see is what you buy" could fall for the MSM.

How do I stop getting random boners when hearing girls speak Japanese in person? I think its from studying mostly with eroge.

>>19423670
I'm the guy who hasn't even finished RTK. I'm just memeing. Don't do what I recommend. I just plan on doing something similar to that.

空気を読む

^Is you know who in his latest video just autistic for not picking up on this? Admittedly I had to rely on Eng subtitles but I instantly knew the guy was actually pretty annoyed with the girl in that clip.

>>19423662
manga isn't reading is a meme but it's true, move past it as fast as you can, it's full of baby-tier japanese and then occasionally has a couple pages straight of real japanese it didn't prepare you for. a lack of images means the medium has to explain a lot more to you an the writing is more consistent in difficulty in addition to there being more of it. vns are fine because there are generally far fewer images that replace far less of the text.

>>19423695
Guy who finished rtk and Tae Kim with a couple thousand sentences here. I pretty much read 1 children’s book and two manga volumes because I felt it helped me get used to reading japanese but I didn’t use them for long and jumped to LNs

>>19423710
did you go monolingual yet?

>>19423716
Yep, it’s pretty damn fun figuring out shit in japanese I tried doing that pretty early with like 1000-1500 cards. I used memevsjapans method to make the transition.

I think that’s the only useful shit he made if I were to be frank because hilariously he fell for the anki meme by adding useless Japanese words

>>19423741
are we gonna have our first fluent poster in this thread, and all thanks to mattvsjapan?

Does anyone have any (native) recommendations for nonfiction books? Not really into LN/manga/etc, but would love a good history or culture book. That said, not sure how to find some that aren't beyond my level.

>>19423741
Also the more personal the deck you made is to you along with the content inside it, the easier it is to remember thanks to the contextual anchor which is why premade decks are fucking shit because of the lack of native material and yes I’m talking about the core decks.

>>19423752
Nah the only thing memevsjapan helped me with is the monolingual transition the rest I just did myself because honestly he can be so fixated on his theory’s and retarded shit. Him deleting his anki deck made this quite clear.

Also is there a fucking good resource on pitch accent for the love of god.

Oh i forgot to mention that you don’t really need to do RTK 3 unless you have a boner for plants and shit

>>19423373
>TFW fell for the "kanji is hard meme"
>got bored with it and decided to learn Mandarin concurrently with Japanese
>TFW discovered that Mandarin grammar is piss easy
>TFW can't decide whether to drop JP entirely to focus solely on Mandarin

Too bad most "practice" materials are superior in Japanese. Tried playing Pokemon in Chinese and it's miserable business because of how shit the translations are. Does China realize how great they could be if they sorted their shit out and made high quality stuff?

>>19423753
That depends if we were to use the meme tests, the JLPT as a measurement, what level are you?

>>19423779
most people recommend against actively studying two languages at once
why in the fuck are you practicing on translations instead of natural native material

>>19423784
N4.

>>19423784
Meant to say “what level would you be” I swear knowing to languages must be fucking up my English

>>19423774
you did RTK, mined tae kim for a month, sentence mined, and made the monolingual transition using matt's method. you are definitely matt approved even if he's done some autistic shit (he coined MIA because he acknowledges he's uniquely autistic and that people don't have to do exactly as he did to learn), minus the lack of passive listening.

>>19423792
>made the monolingual transition using matt's method
is common sense really a method owned by matt now

>>19423788
Try this
昔話, むかしばなし

>>19423792
>he coined MIA because he acknowledges he's uniquely autistic
He coined MIA so that people would call it "Matt's Immersion Method" without being so egoistic to actually name it that himself.
His official stance doesn't agree with you either, it's that he wanted to distance himself from the original AJATT since there are large parts of it he doesn't support.

>>19423662
>>19423710
Manga isn't reading.

>>19423695
Difficulty has nothing to do with it.

>>19423792
I used antimoon for my basis though because it suited my learning style. I fucking hate that this shit got stolen from them. Never want to be associated with that autist

>>19423810
Thanks!

>>19423816
use a different word if you want, the fact is that manga 80% useless sentences that do nothing to prepare you for the real japanese that it occasionally drops in.

>>19423787
Chinese native material sucks compared to Japanese, which is why I'm using translations.

DESU one of the nice things about Chinese is the slightly more relaxed speaking/listening speed. Japanese is soooo fucking fast and seems to convey very little information across its rapid-fire shit a lot of the time. Chinese is incredibly concise, but it relies on you actually thinking about the contents of the sentence.

>>19423828
if chinese native material sucks compared to japanese are you only choosing chinese over japanese because it's easier for you

>>19423814
>His official stance doesn't agree with you either
actually it does. i shouldn't have said that as if it were the main reason, but it's one of the reasons. he said one of his motivations for coining MIA is that he wants it to be flexible to all people of varying levels of motivation/dedication.

>>19423827
Manga is all real japanese it's just not reading.

>>19423816
Why do you think I jumped to LNs early anon, I just use manga as a crutch to get me used to it. I jumped from the mango train at least after 1-2ish months because I read them an hour everyday.

also a differ topic. I think premade decks can be good only if you use them as a source to mine sentences. God damn fuck AJATT/MIA for branding the antimoon method as theirs fuck fuck fuck

>>19423840
colloquial usage of real
it's authentic but it doesn't push you forward, it just helps you memorize set phrases and simple exchanges

>>19423844
>Why do you think I jumped to LNs early anon
Why are you asking this? I'm letting you know manga isn't reading since you made a mistake and called it so.
>because I read them an hour everyday
You did it again.

>>19423850
Manga is awesome you've got a screw loose.

>>19423834
Nah, I also genuinely enjoy the fact that it's "hanzi only" instead of getting a kana crutch. It's truly a brilliant place to test your memory and skills, as you either know a hanzi or you don't, no in-betweens.

>>19423844
>God damn fuck AJATT/MIA for branding the antimoon method as theirs fuck fuck fuck
dude chill. there's no reason to dislike them. they're fellow learners who achieved success via the methods they took from antimoon.

>>19423854
i never said manga isn't awesome, i said it doesn't push you forward

>>19423854
Anon you seem to forget that I moved on from manga. I only read them for an hour everyday to power through to the two volumes I got just so I can go read slightly challenging LNs. After a month or two I went exclusively to LNs.

>>19423855
have you admitted to yourself yet that you don't actually want to learn a language and you're only in it to catch all the hanzi

>>19423863
Every time I mention the shit I used faggots keep associating it with them and not antimoon itself, that what pisses me off the most.

I should probably stop this retarded rant though because antimoon will never be separated from them I guess

>>19423869
Is there something wrong with this?

Last post here before I disappear, rtk 1 is good for is intended purpose, Premade decks suck ass and rtk 3 contains useless kanji while most of them are about fucking plants.

Good luck faggots

>>19423884
Also if you’re doing RTK don’t spend more than 2-3 months on it. Get that shit done

>>19423883
no, but you're doubly in the wrong place if you're not learning japanese and you're not learning chinese

>>19423884
>>19423891
So you make your own deck from RTK (or don't use Anki at all)?

>>19423891
Read this book if you wanna learn culture shit, it’s simple too because it’s for children. Pretty useful for N4 level fags.

昔話, むかしばなし

Welp I’m off to torture myself with pitch accent

>>19423868
I didn't forget, and my first reply to you had nothing to do with LNs. You called manga reading so I am telling you that manga is not reading.
You don't seem to understand this since you just did it again.

>しまってしまう
I can't

>>19423891
>fall for the rtk meme
>sink 3 months of my life into it
>finally finish and decide to try to read something
>open up NHK easy news
>see this shit that looks nothing like what I've been studying
>realize that 3 months of Remembering the Kana was a total waste of fucking time

>>19423901
I make my own deck while i occasionally gather sentences for premade because a that’s all they’re good for.

I don’t like premade because they lack a contextual anchor and it isn’t material personal to you. You also feel proud that you made like 10k cards but at that point I stopped Using Anki because I felt confident enough in the language that I can just learn shit like a normal fucking person and not end up like shatvsjapan.

I’m gone for real now.

>>19423915
look it up in a dictionary and then don't think, just feel

>>19423919
Why the fuck did you do remembering the kana when you can just drill that shit. Every time I say I’ll leave but I see brainlet shit. You better not be sinking your time in core 2k

I could read everything in this error message
is this how it feels to make it?

>>19423919
RTK isn't meant for this, isn't it?

>>19423919
Wait a second you did remembering the kana instead of remembering the kanji? Dear fucking lord. You can drill the kana in like a week

the dude made a joke
this thread is truly doomed

Final final post.

Don’t do remembering the kana, that’s truly retarded because you can drill that shit.

Do rtk (remembering the kanji) if you wanna familarise yourself with kanji early and finish it in 2-3 months if you hate the method then that’s fine just learn via context.

Also never ever do rtk 3 unless you like plants, why does Heisig like fucking plants.

>>19423943
I’m sorry I can’t tell apart jokes and genuine stupidity because I swear these threads perfected the art of seamlessly combining the two

>>19423959
Now I must go and watch shit to get down accents.

Final final final post.

Sorry if that was a joke.

Do rtk (remembering the kanji) if you wanna familiarise yourself with kanji early but make sure you don't spend more than 3 months.

Not doing it is fine too but make sure you do sentence cards because antimoon is the shit.

Stop anki after 10k cards, fuck pissvsjapan.

Fuck plants, Heisig is some kind of tree-hugger, but rtk1 is still dank.

Now I'm going to watch dogen for real this time and close the thread so I can resist coming back to it.

What is Tae Kim up to these days?

>>19423959
It was clearly a joke. You're just fucking stupid. Wait no, you used that joke as an excuse to complain about the thread. Actually, that still makes you stupid.

>>19423975
>I-I'm leaving for real this time guys.

>>19423948
Are you sure about the plant thing? I thought Heisig made RTK based on a frequency list + consulting with various "professionals". It'd be weird if he botched it that much.

>>19423985
>made RTK 3 based on a frequency list*

>>19423975
>Stop anki after 10k cards, fuck pissvsjapan.
he no longer recommends people stick with anki after reaching fluency

>>19423979
Recruiting his worshipers 1 by 1, just wait until he picks you up too.
>>19423997
>10k words
>fluency

>>19423997
thanks for the update can you give us some more news on what he still endorses and no longer endorses it's hard to keep track
am i still supposed to tell my friends to watch hundreds of hours of anime before reading tae kim

>>19424005
he said 10k cards not words. 10k sentence cards is like 50k words.

>>19424012
this is now a meme

>>19424019
i dig it

3k words is enough to reach fluency and the right time to throw away anki

>>19424028
only if those 3k words cover at least 3k unique kanji

>>19424028
*11 year old fluency

This is why you do KKLC. Just learn the 3400 key vocabulary and you will never need to use Anki again because everything will be obvious. If you're having a hard time with some of the cards, you can use some of the non-key vocab to give yourself extra practice for certain kanji, but you'll end up with far less than 10,000 cards and basically ready to go completely monolingual and pick up everything else in the same way you pick up new words in your native language.

Retard-tier question incoming: How do you use RTK? Read the description, write the kanji out a few times, then come back later to know if you remember them?

>>19424065
>>19423959

Final Final Final Final post.

Do RTK to learn 3000 kanji.

You can stop at 300 if you want and move on, but make sure you double back and finish them later.

Complete 2k core, then 6k core, and then 10k core before mining

Pick up any grammar guide. Grammar is the easiest part, this should only take you a week

At this point, get an Anki deck for Katakana (IMPORTANT!)

From here, you can pick up Duolingo

Then and only then you can start reading Yotsuba

OK, I'm leaving the thread for real now

>>19424007
That's what I'm doing.

>you will never need to use Anki again
Those 3400 cards only cover 2100 kanji, so you probably still need Anki.

>>19424093
it's funny because i did this for 1500 words before i realized what a huge mistake it is to spread out your vocabulary to try to artificially increase kanji coverage
i want to know what your review time is now and what it is in 2 months

Any Kanji deck that has information on all Kanji that appear in Kentei level 1?

>>19424132
what the FUCK are you doing
you made me hit shift, this is serious shit

>>19424144
Listen retard, not all of us have chimping out with your chimpanzee friends and self to crude music as a life goal. If you aren't answering the question fuck off.

>>19424154
yeah i understand some of us want to learn japanese and some don't
it's just that this thread is for those who do
by the way i'm not rap poster my dude

>>19424132
You need to learn compound words to pass kanken 1, not individual kanji.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDlwUWtaFrg&t=2s

>>19424176
I know. That wasn't the question though.

the question was how to become a kanji master
gotta catch em all

>>19423928
It's probably how it feels to be able to read basic Japanese.

FUCK

YOU

JANNY

>>19424104
Been doing it 25 days and average review time is 36m. I'm writing all the words so it takes a long time. I expect I'll have to go from 20 new words to 10 at some point.

What are some good ways to memorize kana? What I've been doing is just writing it down a bunch of times then just trying to read it whenever I see it online. I think I might change the games I play to Japanese just to practice more

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzJYezjygnQ

Hey, everyone! I'm beginning the long journey of learning Japanese and have a question that I haven't seen anyone ask quite yet. I've heard that communicating with native/fluent Japanese speakers is an integral part of effectively learning the language, but I've never heard anyone say at what point in your studies you should be attempting to do so. Here's a bit of (potentially useless) background info about myself, feel free to just skip to the question below it:

Right now I can speak very little, if any Japanese. I began studying only a few days ago and can sound out all of the kana. Though I've barely gotten into my studies I've come to learn that Japanese seems to be a very logical language, meaning that it follows a set of syntactical rules and doesn't really break from them (whereas with English shit can be all over the place). As a computer programmer this really bolstered my confidence and overall optimism about learning Japanese. Though English is currently my only spoken language, I was able to pick up programming languages (and anything else that follows a set logic, such as playing a piano) quite easily. That being said, I don't expect this to be a walk in the park. I plan on studying for at least 2 hours a day until I feel satisfied with where I'm at, which I've heard is a good pace. Anyways, I digress to the question at hand since this is getting off topic...

When in my studies should I begin attempting to communicate with native/fluent Japanese speakers on services such as HelloTalk?

I'm sure it's much too soon for me to start doing this now, but I would still like to know when I should start trying so I can have a subgoal to work toward. Any other tips would also be much appreciated, thanks!

>>19424448
>journey
Ribbit

むすこはむっつに なりました

>>19424593
ありがとうパパ

>>19424012
there's a 200k-sentence-long visual novel (yes, really) and it only contains like 20k unique words
and that's including compound verbs and grammatical function words

Hello all,

I'm working my way down the Genki path slowly but surely.. I just finished the "Japanese Writing System" that covers Hirigana/Katakana. Clearly I'm going to need to memorize this before I move onto "Greetings" (correct me if I'm wrong there, should I be moving ahead on just comparing letters in sentences to the letters on a seperate sheet of paper? I feel kind of roadblocked if I don't). But I'm wondering in terms of writing it out, is there a step by step stroke order for Hirigana/Katakana the same it's setup for Kanji, or do I just kind of eyeball it from the grid(s) offered? I'm not overly concerned with it being 100% perfect, but I wanted to make sure I'm not missing anything here.

Also is there anywhere I can go for critique on my handwriting? Because my idea of an accurate 'a' could be terribly wrong. Whether that's a 3rd party site, a reddit user, or another text book I feel like that'd be a huge help as a beginner.

And does anyone have any tips for memorizing Hirigana/katakana? I'm making flashcards and plan on using a few other study strategies but I'm interested in what's work for other people as well.

Thanks in advance

this is a reddit repost

>>19421387
I have no idea how I learned my native language either.

>>19421731
Makes me wonder if an understanding of a language is necessary to be good at word games like scrabble, crosswords or word rumbles.

I certainly don't want a premade deck for it as that defeats the point, but has anyone compiled unique RTK-like keywords for all of the kanji on kanken 1?

People talk about RTK as a method to learn kanji up front so that you don't have to deal with it later, but people who seem good at Japanese say that learning kanji never stops, and I figured I can get the best of both worlds if I really go completionist on this before I start on vocabulary. At 25 a day I should be able to finish in 255 days or a bit under 9 months, it will be a grind but I think it will be well worth it to make the next few years of learning Japanese truly easy mode, since this is obviously the hardest part.

I'll be doing plenty of immersion in that time anyway so it's not like my progress will be held back. I figure by the time I'm done I'll be able to understand most anime before I've practiced a single word in Anki. After all, I've picked up a ton of vocabulary from my time watching subbed anime, the language itself is quite easy.

>>19422826
I didn't know "Japanese guys criticize foreigners' speech" was a genre until /djt/.

>>19422826
>The beginning of this video where he speaks with a thicker Japanese accent for what seems like some sort of joke
What the fuck?

>>19421987
Useful, thanks.

>>19421243
>Japanese fairy tales doesn't start with mukashi mukashi
Too advanced for me

私も

>>19424747
Hi there! I think it's a good start that you're working on reading/writing Kana early on because as you progress with Genki, you'd be able to practice your Hiragana and Katakana skills. Of course it's going to be painstakingly slow at first, but as you keep reading on and on, you'll eventually get them all down easily. Also, mastering Hiragana and Katakana reduces your reliance on Romaji and would also allow you to read Furigana (those little Hiragana on top of some Kanji that provides its reading.)

I think Kana does have a stroke order but for most of them, it's pretty obvious how you'd write them. The only tricky one I can think of now is the Katakana tsu & shi and so & n. Note though that just like how the Genki book says, there are different fonts for Japanese and different characters might look a bit different when typed out and when written.

For practice, the way I did it was just copy the whole table and just copied them on a piece of paper, then tried to write it from memory, on almost every free piece of paper I could find.

>didnt learn any new words or read for the past week because summer semester finals
holy shit i can feel my japanese decaying.

>>19424833
based nihonjin humor

>掲示板 comes up in Anki
All I can think of is XYZ

>>19425067
Were you in the early days of the internet where BBS is the main form of communication?

>彼はインタビューに、はきはきと答えてたよ。

Why isn't it just 答えたよ?

>>19425095
Probably not since I first got to use the internet around 1998-2001. We only knew about Yahoo back then and was on a dial up connection shared with 30 other students. Although I was mostly thinking of pic related but it seems that that was supposed to be 伝言板 instead.

Regarding the DoJG anki deck from the CoR, I'm doubting the usefulness of it as some cards have really long Notes section. Makes me question if studying grammar concepts can be done efficiently with Anki.

Perhaps a HoJG is a better source of cards, as its entries are shorter?

>>19425285
>Makes me question if studying grammar concepts can be done efficiently with Anki.
a good question, and the answer is no
don't study, just read
when you see the truth in this statement, you will be truly enlightened

is he the biggest loser ever? he had all that knowledge and experiences and instead of shilling that on YouTube since day 1 he let some dude steal all of his ideas and live off off them the day Patreon became a thing
he put all his effort into paid service on his shitty site which nobody used

>>19425340
as a postscriptum to that he has 88 patreons right now (trying to catch up with the world, boomer?), the other guy 355

>>19425340
>>19425352
How is this related to learning japanese?

>>19425360
as much as your question

I keep getting an error trying to download kanji grid addon for anki, anyone know why? I have the latest version of anki.

>>19425408
Kanji grid is pointless. After you finish up the 教育漢字 it gets increasingly less easy to find the other thousand or so in the wild, which sort of proves the point about 95% of Japanese being readable without knowing a shit ton of the things. Drilling the Kanji without context is also going to do you no good because I guarantee you'll forget it by the time that obscure ass Kanji appears in your life. Just wait till you see it in a book/the news/etc and bam, you've captured the Kanji with a memorable experience attached to it.

I can seriously remember exactly what I was reading when I run into a less common Kanji just because it's memorable.

>>19425340
Does anybody seriously believe, watching that video, that natives over the telephone believe him to be another native speaker?

>>19425477
No. I've yet to hear a foreigner that sounds like a netive speaker. Even Dogen with all his attention to phonetics sounds like a foreigner.

i finishes learning the katakana syllabry yesterday, and the hiragana a week before. the road ahead is really really long, but i'm proud of myself for getting off my haunches and even doing that. just wanted to share that.

What's the main difference between RTK and KKLC?

>>19425518
KKLC has better keywords but RTK is the far more sane approach if you're going to bother actually doing "kanji study". And KKLC's keywords are a fucking disaster to use for the RTK approach.

>>19425518
kklc has more than kanji in it (example vocab and readings)
kklc does not have a unique keyword for each kanji
kklc has a mnemonic for 95% of the kanji, rtk stops earlier
kklc fanboys are somehow beyond all comprehension more annoying than rtk fanboys

>>19425533
I never see kklc fanboys here only people talking about rtk

>>19425545
From what I've seem, KKLC fanboys are in reddit.

>>19425545
there have been a few multi-hour debates on how kklc is superior in every way, but it is much less common

>>19425513
Does this guy sound like a foreigner?
https://youtu.be/MpDF_uV_J1M?t=2m52s

>>19425648
Yeah, Yuta has a pretty strong foreigner accent.

>>19425515
The road ain't even in your line of sight yet.

>>19425672
Yuta isn't even a foreigner

>>19425687
Were you even paying attention to him speaking?

>>19425676
truer words have never been spoken.

>>19425698
He was born and raised in japan, he can't have a foreigner accent. I think you're hearing things.

>>19424797
Well this guy certainly proved that it isn't necessary for scrabble.
Crosswords are a whole different beast, since you need to associate a word to adefinition. So I doubt it's possible to be good at crosswords without being proficient at the language.

>>19425513
>I've yet to hear an amerilard that sounds like a netive speaker
Fixed that for you, at least semantically, be careful next time.

>>19425095
Weren't emails and mailing lists more widespread than BBS

>>19425707
There's often a separation between individual words that makes his sentences sound unnatural. Some of his phonetics are off in ways that are hard to explain, like a mix of different dialects. He's got the L down but his R's are kind of just dropped, especially at the end of words.

>>19425722
I wasn't asking you to review yuta's english. This a japanese thread.

>>19425742
But I don't know Japanese.

>>19425756
Nobody knows Japanese.

I’m going to delete my RTK deck (self made w/ my own stories) after little over 1300 kanji, because the shit is boring. Reading is more fun and I get more out of it. That is all let the thread resume.

>>19425326
Yeah, I am doubting my own memories of grammar concepts, like I think I remember what ずつ or さえ or によって do in a sentence, but often I still have to go back to a grammar guide (HoJG/DoJG, or just google things up, which usually brings me to stackexchange) just so I can refresh my memory. I was wondering if Anki would make it easier, but I guess grammar is a bit too complex to be boiled down to flashcards

I just have constant doubts I actually understood what I'm reading.

>>19424007
>am i still supposed to tell my friends to watch hundreds of hours of anime before reading tae kim
probably not. he said recently in a video that there were diminishing returns for some people. see? he's not dogmatic.
>>19425408
there's a version of kanji grid that didn't work for me. there's two or three different versions on anki.
>>19425545
there's occasionally been a kklc fanboy who revealed he didn't even do either book the usual way and just consulted kklc a few times to better remember individual kanji, rendering his opinion on either book moot.

>>19425850
I'm going to keep doing it because it makes me wanna die but I'll feel guilty if I stop prematurely.

>>19425120
答えたanswered
答えてた＝答えていたwas answering

>>19425853
This is where anime comes in.

>>19425919
That’s how I started feeling at about 500, I just couldn’t take it anymore. Good luck to you though, hopefully you don’t kill yourself and learn Japanese

There are still people who genuinely think doing RTK is a good thing in 2018. This is proof that humanity hasn't progressed at all.

>>19426000
Well, quads man, what do you suggest instead?

>>19426007
>Quads

>>19425924
How would this help me feel I actually understood what I'm reading?

>>19426052
by helping you feel the contexts that grammar is used in

>>19426000
>RTK
nani?

>>19426086
RTK aka Rape The Kids

>>19421987
>A: 誰が寿司が好きですか。(Who likes sushi?)
>
>B: 私は好きです。(I do)
>
>C: 私はあまり好きじゃないです。(I don’t really like it)
>
>A: そうか。じゃ、Bが寿司が好きですね。(I see. So B [and only B] likes sushi, right?)
This implies that A knew in advance either B or C liked sushi. And that's why A chose が instead of は. It doesn't match the situation where they don't know anything about each other. If A didn't know anything about B and C, A would ask, "誰か寿司が好きな人はいますか" and response, "そうか。じゃ、Bは寿司が好きなんですね".

>>19426000
the alternative being?

I was working on my reps daily for almost a year, then I had emergency surgery and was in recovery for a long time and then had to get my life back together and now it has been a little over a full year and things are finally back to normal.

Do I just resume with reviews and hope it comes back? I don't remember anything and feel like I should just scrap my progress and start fresh.

>>19423566
Jej I know this much already and kanji is still hard for me.

>>19425477
absolutely

how long it lasts till he blows it is another story

>>19426219
learning japanese

>>19425648
guy at time stamp is for all intents and purposes nipponjin

haters gotta hold that shit

>>19426276
not on either side of this discussion but the dude said "foreigners" and the video is haafus raised in japan, that's probably not what he meant by foreigner

熱中症の疑い

What a weird ass way to say "suspected heatstroke"

But if I'm reading this correctly, this article is about people who died of it because they ELECTED NOT TO USE their fucking A/C, so weird grammar is the least of the strange things. Here in the US I don't think I've ever heard on the news anything about people dying due to not turning on their functioning A/C, and I'm a damn Texan.

do you think の疑い is weird or something cause its not and youll see it used that way a billion times

>>19426371
I mean, I'm not gonna argue with it being the way it is. It makes way more sense the LESS I think about it. I just figured since everyone is shitposting here about non japanese shit that I'd at least post something that actually has to do with the language and culture of Japan.

The first time I saw that phrasing I straight up didn't even think about it and just "knew" what it meant, but then I got curious and started trying to make sense of it and I was better off leaving it the fuck alone and considering it a set pattern.

>>19426349
How would you say suspected heatstroke then?

obviously 熱中症かなと思って様子をみていますので

>>19426478

I wouldn't bother coming up with a different way because if it's on the news, there's a 100% chance it's the standard way of saying it.

>>19426700
Do people wherever you live talk like they do on the news lmao

疑い is still the go to there in basically a billion things unrelated to news

I know there are probably very few people who are as fucking dense as me but I found out that the best way to study basic grammar is to download the Tae Kim deck, start doing it and look up according chapters in the book whenever you have problems fully grasping the meaning of an example sentence presented on the card.

It is so much more effective and easier than just trying to force the book itself down your throat. My reading comprehension has increased like 20-30% in less than 2 weeks when I started using this method.

What's tae kim's end game?

who cares go learn nihongo fucken noob

>>19426771
but what are you reading that you are judging your comprehension with

>>19426804
Little bit of everything. News, P4G, twitter, that Elf Forrest VN etc.

>>19426714
American news would word it however the fuck they felt like it.

"4 elderly men and women between the ages of 60-90 have died of suspected heatstroke"
"4 elderly men and women are suspected to have died due to heatstroke"

Are the only 2 that come to mind right away, which desu isn't super far from what is written in the screencap.

>>19426349
1. Dozens of people in every country die from heatstrokes every year.
2.The news usually only pop up whenever the heat gets particularly fucky and/or breaks records.
3. It's fucking Japan. This piece is news-worthy because they are generally not that used to people just dropping dead all over.

>>19426779
Well, he's been gone for a while hasn't him?

>>19426979
indeed his ham

bret is sick!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jux3enOgnsU

no matter how i look at it, "autism" is a blessing

>>19426979
He, unlike every other cash grabbing piece of shit flooding the Japanese learning market, did exactly one thing (wrote a book) and published it 100% free on the internet for the benefit of できないs the world around.

I'm so sick of seeing more of these insipid-ass "learn japanese" Youtubers popping up when the best thing you can do to learn Japanese is to straight up avoid wasting time listening to Matt/Brit/whoever the fuck VS japan, or these ugly bimbos with clickbaity ass thumbnails.

The sad truth is, people love these videos because they're quick and easy. In 15 minutes you can learn a thing about Japanese, and you'll just as quickly forget it. Hard work is not trendy or cool in America, but that's exactly what it takes to learn anything that's worth half a fuck, Japanese included.

Maybe if we introduced 頑張る into our language and our culture we'd be better off, instead of coddling people and encouraging them to give up on shit when they haven't even fucking started yet. Half the people I know who tried to learn Japanese didn't even get the fucking Kana down, but have the nerve to ask "how can you read so many Kanji already?" Bitch, it's hard work (but it gets easier, you just won't ever fucking find that out) and there's no secret to it - you have to fucking work hard and learn. Every moment you're not learning SOMETHING new is an utter waste of time.

Then again, here I am, learning Japanese so I can read about vapid-ass pop culture shit and watch shitty variety shows with Japanese television "personalities" faces displayed in the corner of the screen for no fucking reason whatsoever.

>>19427085
The language learning market is full of snake oil, yeah. So many people throw money at the problem ("maybe this course/app will help me") thinking they won't have to do any hard work.

>>19427085
We can ask Matt to write better grammar guide.

>>19427002
Where is Bret from originally, he has such an odd accent that I just can't for the life of me place it sounds like he's from 8 places at once.

>>19427099
Matt doesn't know Japanese though

>>19427109
He sounds like a german.

>>19427099
Matt recommends people read Tae Kim. Nice try Matt hater.

>>19427085
Worst post of the entire thread

>>19427099
What aspect of Tae Kim would you even attempt to improve on? It's as full and yet straight to the point as it can get. Maybe more chapters on dialects, jargon and slurs but that would already be heavily getting outside of grammar and into the vocab territory.

>>19427085
honestly the most epic post of this thread maybe even the most epic post in all of djt history la

>>19427085
Why do redditors get so angry about this kind of stuff? Yea, people are naturally stupid and lazy. Get over yourself.

>>19427177
It's hard to repsect lazy hobbyists when you are personally trying to take something seriously. And don't act as if reddit is not more of a duolingo/japtuber space than 4chan.

>>19427199
Nobody respects you either you dork.

>>19427217
Then in the world where nobody is respected I, at the very least, will be the one who knows moon.

>>19427199
lmao there are people out there like matt making mad dough out of retards and you're here getting mad at them like a virgin for being "lazy hobbyists", that's pretty damn pathetic in my opinion mate fucking pull yourself together

If you want a better Tae Kim just read Lammers.

>>19427177
>>19427199
Ironically, the biggest source of revenue those cash grabbing people have are redditors, at least /r/learnjapanese.

>>19427240
actually redditors hate ajatt and hate matt. please get your facts straight

>>19427234
That's a good point. Japtubers can hustle as much as they want. Fuck those who enable it.

>>19427199
lazy hobbyists is an overstatement, the majority of people make excuses for their lack of commitment like being born without "talent" and will never take any of their interests seriously. it's just how it is.

>>19427247
Sure but they waste their time/money on every new app/podcast resource/Youtube channel that comes up. I see it every day.

>>19427247
that's right, tell em bro! we redditors will not tolerate matt and ajatt being posted in our /djt/!

>>19427234

Believe me, if I could make mad bank selling a learning method for something I don't even fucking know or understand, I'd be doing it too.

It's truly sad that I live in a world where Japanese Ammo with Misa has more credibility than any of the _____ vs Japans and Heisig combined, and only because she's an actual native speaker who knows what she's talking about.

>>19427256
Talent would enable them to learn more with less effort so they're technically right.

>>19427254
nah I think you actually just missed my point completely my little bro here I'll say it straight so you can understand it: fucking kill yourself

>>19427270

Tell me what "talent" enables one to learn Kanji and vocab quicker than someone else?

I guarantee that a "talented" individual will still get smoked by the average Ankidrone from this thread, because there's no such thing as a "talent" for learning languages. "Talent" is merely a head start, but time and effort trumps that every single time.

>>19427270
outside of savants, talent is bullshit, nobody you look up to got there without (tens of) thousands of hours of commitment.

stfu all

>>19427293
>Tell me what "talent" enables one to learn Kanji and vocab quicker than someone else?
Intelligence. Better memory. Understanding concepts more quickly.
>but time and effort trumps that every single time.
Who said you can accomplish anything without effort? The point is only that someone more talented can get to the same place with less effort, not that no effort is required.

I think you all are in the wrong place, here you go
https://www.reddit.com/r/djt/

>>19427312
memory can be improved through use, understanding concepts gets easier when you are familiar with related concepts. how much less effort? it's far less of a difference than people making excuses for themselves attribute to it.

>>19427293
Some people just happen to stumble upon correct mindset very early. Also early on you generally don't get to choose your environment and the kind of people surround you and those are super important too. IQ and memory are also absolutely real and quantifiable aspects.
Talent is a combination of all of those.

>>19427324
>memory can be improved through use
Intelligent people have better memory and can improve it more with use.
>understanding concepts gets easier
It's easier sooner for people with more intelligence. Not sure why people are so obsessed with going against an entire scientific field with their worthless feelgood nonsense?

that's right you need talent to learn japanese, thats why 99% of japan's population knows it and i dont!!!!! because theyre talented!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>19427339
>that's right you need talent to learn japanese
yea that's definitely what was argued. so smart i bet you know lots of japanese!

>>19427338
Because overstating the importance of those scientific facts is also exactly what turns people into lazy faggots with *talent* excuses. There got to be a balance. Not everything you are good at is necessarily because you had it as hard as everyone else and just struggled to get to where you are and at the same time everyone who's very good at something has worked his ass out.

>>19427360
yes i do know japanese very well but thats only because of my talent so fk off b*tch :)

>>19427361
>Because overstating the importance of those scientific facts is also exactly what turns people into lazy faggots with *talent* excuses.
No it's not. People are just lazy and recognizing that they're not as smart as people who tend to accomplish more doesn't affect that.

>>19427372
This may be correct in case with language but you'd be surprised how many people believe that you literally can't draw or play/compose music without some mystical inherent "talent".

>>19421176

Am I meant to believe that someone playing this game is expected to know how to read 樹 but not 検 or 盾?

remember the target audience is kids under the age of 10 not your fat ugly gaijin neckbearded ass that plays d&d with the boys on the weekend