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>Still no mention of OO in first post
Pee pee wee wee though. We got that

>>19397049
>not being the change you want to see in the world
Elona Omake Overhaul (English translation) here:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:28909
It's pretty different from Plus/Custom (closer to the original Elona?), so some quality of life improvements that you've been taking for granted might be gone. Definitely worth trying out though, especially if you're fed up with Ano shenanigans or think pets are too powerful.

>>19397119
>feeling pissy with Ano's shenanigans.
ftfy.

>>19397131

I played this for a few days now and I'm fucking addicted, any tips for a new player?

>>19397237
I'd rec worshipping Kuriromi or Ekehalt first. The undying herbs and 10 PP per month they offer are just really nice and the ealier you get them the better
Farm. Keep the rods of tele and summon monsters you get from this for quests that ask for those tems. Keep any scrolls of oracle you find for trading with adventurers, get good shit. Once you feel decently strong, do hunting quests. Alternatively, if you started with sleeping touch, do hunting from the moment the game starts.
Buy a farm. Keep going. Buy a shop. Go to Derthy, buy a Public Performer or anything else listed as having negotiation on the slave master wiki page. Put it in the shop. Set shop to food, put food in the shop. You will quickly ball out of control in regards to money.
Buy a maid, buy better housing, buy magic shopkeepers and rename them to buy more then whichever it was that sells fire rod (I forget and can't check since I renamed all mine).
Find or buy a pot of alchemy. Buy pots of potential. Make water. Make herb ins. Bless the pots of potential, eat the herb ins. Buy cure corruption for trading; more value per unit than oracle.
Do pretty much whatever at this point. I usually finish this around level 40.

>>19397440
Oh forgot: keep junk stones and other crystal or rock items. Put them in a big pile. 2 gods use these as gifts; you can just instantly max them if you stock enough.
I'd also rec Korimomi before Ekehalt because you haven't much to do with food until you get a shop and once he makes you rich you can go to Noyel and just buy enough jewelery to max her in like 5 trips.
The only hard to raise god is the wind one as there is no dedicated bow vendor.

>>19397440
My god is currently Jure, but even if I offered her many ores I don't seem to get any rewards. I have a maid already and I'm in a guild. I have a bunch of jewelery laying around in one of my storage houses does that count?

>>19397596
Forgot to add I wasted all my Oracle scrolls trying to get a better magic device skill

>>19397596
Rings and necklaces count. And you need more faith to raise the cap of how much gods love you. Usually you get a necklace from killing crabs that raises this, although my last char didn't so it just took fucking ages.

>>19397607
You'll find more. The game isn't very punishing in E+.

>>19397440
>>19397481
You've got Ehekatl and Yacatect mixed up there, dude.

>>19397596
It takes 1525 piety to get your first reward (the god pet). You got a Nine Gods Sign when you converted, right? That'll tell you how close you are.
Also, I'd suggest sticking with Jure at least until you get the Defender pet. Healing Rain and Lay Hand from that will keep you safe while you learn the ropes.

Will there be any any consequences for attacking and killing NPCs in Party Time! quests? I had to kill a bunch of town children and a unique NPC so I could steal a barbecue set. The unique NPC doesn't seem to be hostile outside of the quest and I didn't lose much karma but is there something I might not notice yet?

>>19397932
No. All NPCs in party time quests are mere copies. Killing them doesn't affect anything. Gwen might be an exception, but she shouldn't spawn in there in the first place.
Feel free to abuse them for otherwise hard-to-get artifacts, figs and cards. Since you often get at least one NPC carrying an artifact, it's also great for stardust farming.

>>19397932
The kids eat karma for some reason. The rest have no downside. Use oracle scroll, see if panties/food sword/bow/ether knife spawned and kill nobles/farmers/green haired guy/blue haired chick for stardust.

>>19398056
Kids probably eat karma because they drop ore. Idk why its precious enough to warrant -10 karma but yeah. And its only noble children that count, lesser kids are subhuman

Guys what I sell in my new food shop?

>>19398286
>food shop?
food

Im new here, how do I actually play the game?
I've tried running in compatabiltiy mode but the game closes itself immediately.

>>19399197

Are you getting an error, or will it not run at all? Make sure you have Elona+ and not just Elona Custom (which needs to be installed on top of E+).

>tfw when to casual to enjoy OO
its just so slow and tedious after playing +

>>19399287
Its not running at all

>>19399338
I mean if you're THAT casual you could just run a custom race and class and cheese the game over. Probably won't help you if you can't tolerate the grind though.

>>19399749
yea its the grind
its just super slow paced

Haven't played Elona in a while and read over the last thread a bit.
Does Elona+ have piss mechanics now or something?
How different is Omake compared to Elona+?

>>19401248
+ does but not in the english transation yet. The issue is apparently pee'ing when being hit being non-optional. As if it was optional, it'd just be another silly thing you can ignore. And also the thirst mechanic just being a dumb thing to add to such an old game that never needed it.

Omake's focus is on RP and customization; you can relatively easily make new gods, classes and races to play with. There are feats which make you super good with specific weps or or magic and feats which make you worse in some way for extra feat points, letting you tailor your character much more. It also has some pretty neat crafting.
The downside is that its simply much slower and much more tedious than +. PP costs at 15 from the start, the free feat you get on char gen in + doesn't exist (although you can just make a race/class with whatever feat you want), Yacatect's free PP and museums free PP don't exist and you only got 10% potential per investment. It lowers slower, but if your goal is to just keep at 100%, its much easier to do so in +. You also can't cure curse via NPC, everything costs more and a bunch of other things I forget.

Overall despite all the whining, + still feels like the far more fun and better designed game to play because of all of its quality of life additions, has more feats/special attacks to play with (although the balance is super questionable, the same can be said for the +100% at max level damage feats in OO), stronger pets (in OO they're not really worth the effort they take) and more acts.
+'s good additions are strong enough that even with the recent bad ones its still just more fun to actually sit down and play unless you really like the slow pace of OO.
Its a shame since OO's devour special action once you get the mutation to make it actually useful, crafting and varied Nefia's are pretty cool.

>Minotaur's Nest

God I forgot how much I hated this place.

>>19401375
>Its a shame since OO's devour special action once you get the mutation to make it actually useful, crafting and varied Nefia's are pretty cool.
THIS. I love special Nefia and what they do for the feel of dungeon-diving, even down to just moving around the map looking for a dungeon to go into, but OO is just woefully slow at the start and without any extra acts after Lesimas I feel once the glacial early-game is finally overcome there wouldn't be much more of the game left to make that grind feel worthwhile.

>>19401375
When will someone make another fork combining the best of Elona+ and OO?

>>19401611
When Elona Foobar is done since the point of it is to make Elona accessible without having to conquer the spaghetti hydra nest of a source on your own.

>>19401575
>Minotaur Magicians casting Ice Bolt while being surprise attacled by the King from behind a wall
Don't remind me

At what skill level does gardening with cooking start to make noticeable money? With as many equipment bonuses as I can have, Gardening is at 103 and Cooking is at 73 but selling cooked and ID'd food in my food shop still only makes 2k~7k/day. The Loss Mode guide says to prioritize gem seeds and that they'll make tens of thousands of gold per crop, but I can't sell gems for anywhere near that much.

>>19401248
Omake Overhaul feels much more like vanilla Elona than Plus, but the changes are fairly unambiguous improvements compared with the two steps forward, one step back changes you see in Plus. Plus mostly emphasizes combat and fast character growth, while OO emphasizes sandbox elements and NPC interactions.

Your character's growth is much slower in Vanilla/OO, it's much harder to keep your potentials up (though potential also drops by less as well). There's no AP either, so your speed won't see the explosive growth you get in Plus. It's also much harder to equip your character with quality equipment since there are much fewer precious items and it doesn't have Plus's increased rare drop rates. Skills take much longer to learn, with your first skill costing 15 platinum and the cost increases by 3 each time. The cost of training potential is higher as well. Lastly, gold is much harder to come by in Vanilla/OO than in Plus.

You don't need to be as powerful in the first place, since there's only one act and enemies go up to around level 50 instead of 200, but the slower pace can feel a bit tedous, especially in the beginning. I like that Vanilla/OO encourage you to specialize your character rather than becoming good at everything, though I don't think the huge platinum costs are a good way to go about it.

Omake Overhaul makes big improvements to NPC adventurers and random nefia dungeons. Adventurers can now be encountered inside of dungeons, which can be fun and helpful and enables all kinds of shenanigans where you try to get high level adventurers killed for their loot. NPCs tend to carry much higher quality equipment, but because you don't become stronger than every guard and adventurer in the game after 10 hours, you can't always just take it from them. They form parties and travel together and are overall a much bigger part of the game. There's also a rival adventurer character who will eventually show up, and every time you defeat her, her opinion of you improves and she levels up.

The random nefia dungeons are much better too. Most of them have fun gimmicks now. There are thief dungeons full of traps and treasure chests, where all hostile NPCs are some sort of thief. There are "lonely" dungeons where pets can't enter, no-magic or magic-only dungeons, dark dungeons, and all kinds of stuff. NPCs are now all divided into different factions and will fight against each other. There are also more special encounters on the world map, and existing encounters like the rogue bandits tend to be more dangerous and rewarding.

Towns don't see as many improvements as dungeons, but there are still some new events like the three different guilds will sometimes invade each other, or you'll run into a friendly catsister in town who wants to play tag or hide and seek. Supposedly you can build your own town and recruit NPCs to live there, but I have not tried that yet.

Personally I think OO is overall better than plus. Your growth is slower, but I think it feels more meaningful and rewarding when becoming super powerful isn't a foregone conclusion. You need to actually respect guards and other adventurers, which is for the best. Gold is much more meaningful. I have more fun with the dungeons because of their various gimmicks and the presence of adventurers. Plus might be better if all you care about is the combat, but Elona's combat has never been any good.

My favorite encounter so far was when I entered a nefia dungeon called a zealot's dungeon. All of the NPCs were town NPCs, and they were all named (god) fanatic. Fanatics of opposing gods would kill each other, so like Jure fanatics would fight Lulwy fanatics to the death. My pets worshiped different gods than I did, but they didn't turn on me, though they would kill NPCs who worshiped different gods. The whole dungeon was a giant bloodbath of shopkeepers and arena masters slaughtering each other. I came across a younger sister NPC who was friendly but my little girl pet ran up and oneshotted her, and it turns out she was a "Nee fanatic." RIP imouto-chan. Anyway, the boss was a defender and I finished him off with the devour special action and when I did I got some red text saying "It's... eating the angel?!" and my little girl pet (who worshiped Jure) vomited at the sight of it.

You do lose some good things switching from Plus to OO. You don't get Plus's nice improvements to the game's visuals, you lose out on some quality of life features (if there's a way to set items as no-drop in OO, I haven't found it), and there is only one act. But I don't think any of that is as important as OO's improvements to Elona's NPCs, dungeons, and sandbox elements.

Assuming I already maxed out my pets' speed, which AP skill should I prioritize? I know melee attackers need the Shadow Step package, the Spellcasters need Crystal Spear and the Supports need Tactical Heal and Curse, but what should I give to long-range gunners when Zero Shoot isn't an option?
>>19401773
Turn the ores into brilliant gems via pot fusion

>>19401937
Barrier is better than all of the other abilities combined.

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>>19402015
despair binds my fingers and blinds my eyes
>>>/vg/220753813

Is there a guide to making custom classes/races in Omake?
I can figure most stuff out but some things are really unclear, like the trait and spact entries.

Why doesn't Elona+ implement NPCs with schedules (other than sleeping/fucking) and personalities? Even generic personality templates would be serviceable.

>>19402388
Seems too tedious to implement desu

>>19402394
I guess, still would be a great feature and make the game feel a lot more immersive.

>>19402401
Maybe when foobar is finished, some anon could implement that

Is there a material guide? I'm having troubles keeping up with what is better (for example I don't know what inferior material is better for weapon when the based line is fucking steel), especially with weight, I can't find anywhere in the wiki that says the change in weight that each material add

>>19402388
OO have personalities, but I don't really know how it works, apparently it's supposed to affect NPC vs NPC fights like factions system (and RP content).

>>19402509

You can sort this table by weight modifier:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Equipment#Material_Types
or use
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13x1Si6M6w_SB9ucf2FMBq4ahhkM-UfBozQ4SZqWzfOQ/

Why is Kumi recommended for farming in E+?
The wiki says seeds are hard to come by, but you get tons from harvesting quests, and the gifts aren't that great, apart from the treasure for reviving herbs.
Is it just the passive farming bonus?

>>19402686
Herb seeds, almost 50 hrs in without Kumi and I only have found one (1) herb seed from a random container (which fucking wither)

I just can't deal with this anymore.
Encountered a creature that can cast spells that destroys my equipment and inventory. All my living weapons and artifacts are gone. There's simply no way to prepare for the dozens of things that can fuck you over in Elona+ and it seems savescumming is mandatory.

I wish I had the time to get my artifacts and living weapons back but I don't. They were almost all acidproof and fireproof as well.

>>19402686
It's recommended because it's the only reliable way to get your potential from 'Hopeless' early game, aside from the guild trainer.

>>19402695
Did you have a backup?
How the hell did you break?

>>19402694
You NEED kumimori pet for herb seeds. I also suggest using the ranch and placing down some fruit trees. Good luck getting it otherwise.

>>19402694
>>19402698
Oh, so the fairy gives herb seeds reliably?
Also apparently you can breed them, so I guess it's worth it.
Can you also breed geese? The wiki page doesn't mention it.

>>19402705
No backup
No fucking idea, I was in the wilderness and out of fucking nowhere a creature came and just broke my stuff. I don't think I'm gonna play Elona+ anymore if creatures are going to randomly break my living weapons.

>>19402710
Did you remember who broke it? don't tell me there's a special enemy move that breaks your equipment.

>>19402715
I think there is. My equipment was acidproof and fireproof. The messages were 'X shattered into pieces'

>>19402718
Oh fuck that, do you remember the name of the mob?

>>19402737
Ice breaks shit, that's why ice is not used by players who cast. They may break gear on enemies they kill. If you carried fire/ice blankets to protect your stuff then I have no clue what shattered your shit. That's the only solution for ice unlike fire/acid.

>>19402762
Yeah wrong person, in a rush and CRAPcha kept failing until I linked to a different post ...

>>19402509
There are only four materials that really matter in the long run: griffon scale, dawn cloth, adamantium, and ether.
-Griffon scale is all-around good. It's lightweight and has high stats for everything. Ideal for fairies or people who want a balance between DV and PV.
-Dawn cloth is the lightest (not counting paper) and has higher DV than griffon scale, although it has basically no PV. It's the best material for some items (e.g. wings).
-Adamantium is heavy and has very high PV. If your metric is the sum total of DV and PV, it gives so much PV that it's the best option. It's also the strongest (non-radioactive) material for weapons.
-Ether weapons do more damage than adamantium weapons, but personally I'd only give them to pets.

>That ungodly feel when your mob of AP grinded pets just rush down a boss that's around 20+ levels higher than you
Is there a better feel?

>>19401611
Someone said there are already plans to do this. But they're planning to translate some other forks of OO first.

>>19402707
? I get herb seeds pretty often and have done so on every character. I don't even use pets.

>>19402910
Necromantis summoned zombie queen killing a boss 20 levels above it while it's 70 levels above you

Does Omake Overhaul have a fusion pot and necromancy? Those are the only things i really going to miss.

In summary the main things that can happen to gear:

Acid damages gear lowering its enchant and possible destroying it if it gets low enough. Solution: use acid proof liquid or materials to prevent.

Cursing words: your gear is now cursed. Solution: exorcist feat, protects against cursing words, uncurse scrolls/rods/spell.

Fire damage burns gear. Solution use any of: fireproof liquid or materials, fireproof blankets, or really high resistance to fire. I recommend all of 'em.

Ice damage shatters gear/potions. Solution: ice proof blankets, really high ice resistance. I recommend using both.

Brainwash: unequips your gear but keeps it in your inventory. Solution: Yell at the computer. In theory will resists brainwash, in practice its a straight roll between attackers charisma and your will, so you're probably getting brainwashed if you're even remotely close to their stats.

Death: randomly drops items. Solution: return and pick them up.

I believe that covers everything you'll need to know.

How do I deal with taxes when I start getting more buildings?

>>19403525
One of "extra hard" difficulty modes (do not remember exact name) will break your stuff once its enchantment level goes below -10.

Also if "dropped on death" happened in one-time/regenerating map (wilderness, void, puppy cave, etc) you can kiss your drops goodbye. No way to recover.

>>19403590
Get more income, obviously.

>>19403510
No. It lets you make a wider variety of mods but is otherwise inferior in crafting with the shared tools. The blacksmithing is cool though

>>19403525
Tag Force is supposed to give brainwash resistance. Of course, it costs 50% gauge...

It's me again and I have a question because through the power is cheesing the blind effect I managed to defeat some kind of angel and she joined me, well she is level 42 while I'm around level 30 and she obliterates everything, the problem I noticed is my other pets aren't leveling up, well the machine block is but the others are almost 10 levels under me and god sent me a shield wielding guy but he is at really low level but I kinda want a tanky ally in my team, there's a way to train my allies?

>>19403786
Catch/dominate/buy higher-level mooks and gene engineer them into your flunkies.

OO needs the knockout special action so you can go around 1-2 punch-eating everything.

>>19402877
Rubynus has the overall highest accuracy/damage/DV/PV values of any material, on top of its nice +3 life bonus.

>>19403510
No fusion pot and it doesn't share E+'s implementation of necromancy, but you can supposedly create pets if you gather corpse, skin, blood, eye, and bones, presumably all from the same species.

Are you able to play Elona+ on a Mac?

Have to do something at work, and we got these fancy pieces aluminum.

>>19404410
You can try messing around with wine, no guarantees though.

>>19404186
Defense-wise, rubynus either ties with or is slightly behind griffon scale. For offense it's better, but not as good as adamantium.

Rubynus a best. Made my mutant actually playable after trading away all my hp for slots, since each slot was +life in the end anyways

>>19402015
>>19402026
Did you guys give in to “[roguelike] is not a roguelike” shitposting again or something

Been away for a while (back when collage anon was making the OPs) and guess I will be playing 1.75 or whatever was the last update before pee mechanics got added.
Omake sounds pretty neat with its additions to nefia and npcs, but I am too attached to the QoL improvements and story Acts from + to bother with original Elona spruced up a little.
My only hope is that something comes of this >>19401650
>>19403056

Btw, whatever happened to collage anon?

>>19405331
One guy decided to create a new thread before collage anon (even though he had a new collage ready), then said he never liked the OP images. Short drama happened between various anons (like a typical general), and collage anon decided to take a break after that (running out of ideas, taking a rest, something like that, can't remember).

>>19405517
Ah, that's a bit of a bummer. But even without needless drama I can see how trying to scrounge up enough material for a collage when the threads sort of fell into a lull of new content could be annoying.

>>19402709
I bred a golden knight to see if forced birth could work on 1 breed power pets. Had a second knight within 7 days on the ranch.

Forced birth = when a pet is ranched, it's first birth must happen within a month. Save before entering a ranch till you get what you want. I got my knight without scumming but it may not be the same for you.

>Play E+ for the first time
>Grab everything I find
>Get crushed by my backpack because I couldn't find how to drop junk items
>Try again without grabbing everything
>Get into the town
>Accidentally slap the very first NPC I meet
Probably because I never played any of those games but damn the controls feels unintuitive.

>>19405782
>Accidentally slap the very first NPC I meet
>Accidentally

>>19405782
Elona have controller support and a nice radial menu, if you prefer that. But Numpad + shortcuts actually feels super nice after you get used to it.

>>19405782
a) picking up everything is not unintuitive controls
b) i have no idea how you did this but im starting to understand. did you drink the first sulfuric you found after this by any chance?

>>19405782
Unless you manually set to attack neutral NPCs on game options, I can't really understand how you managed to slap them.
Unless you thought the command was [b]labber or something.

>>19405900
Man if he's playing on latest version with thirst requirements and he started just chugging from wells...

>>19405900
>herp im funni
a) Don't be an ass and learn reading comprehension
>because I couldn't find how to drop junk items
Lowercase d is to drop stuff but when you're new you may not know that. z gets the radial menu, which leads to Help and other features. You'd have to know what z does first though ...
b) This place will follow suit like
>>19402015
>>19402026
This isn't trolling. It's an attempt for new blood. Their general is dead. No crawling out of that grave. Keep pissing on new players. See how long they stay. Tee hee

I checked the cross-thread link since the pics gave me a chuckle.

>>19405782
Elona is about experimenting and failing. So you slapped a NPC. Now you've learned the results. Par for the course, keep at it. Btw, shift+ a letter can change functions. o and O are not the same. d then numpad * lets you rapidly drop items.

>>19405900
dont be mean

>>19405782
Did you actually go through the tutorial in the cave because I feel like if you did you'd be in a better position than you are now.

>>19406217

Not that guy, but I recall quickly forgetting most of the keys from the tutorial the first time I played. Some of the instructions were also confusing, like which slots to equip the bow and arrow to. The controls and menu system are great once you've learned them, but they can be overwhelming in the first couple of hours of play.

I learned a lot more through experimenting and referring to the key list in the in-game help (If you're still struggling, >>19405782, the shortcut is ?. You should read the other sections too). Thankfully, trial and error doesn't hurt much when you're low level.

>>19406477
To each their own I guess? I never had any issues after the tutorial. Granted, I play in Japanese so I have no clue if the English tutorial is just poorly translated or something.

any meshera alpha fanart?

Are leather engagement amulets just collars?

>>19406643
Well, I know what I'm making all my engagement amulets of

I really want a Super Lure but there's no way to get it other than extremely unfavorable RNG that cannot be influenced in any way. Should I just cheat for it?

>>19406700
It took me 450 hours of suffering before I got one. You must suffer just like I did.

>>19406700
Just cheat it if you want to so you can see what its like to own one. If you regret doing so, get rid of it.

Does anyone know if having a full shop safe gets you more gold? I'm not too happy with my pet constantly selling my items for shitty equipment and it seems like if your safe is full they only sell items for gold instead since there's no more room.

>>19406947
it can get full? on my first succesful char i never took anything out of it and i had a ridiculous amount of shit in the thing

>>19406947
As far as I know the contents of the safe have no bearing on the sale value of an item, so even if you hit a point where technically you can't receive any further item in your safe, you wouldn't see an increase in the gold gained since the items you're selling dictate how much gold you get based on the formula.

>>19405900
Be mean. It's the only way they'll learn to think.

>>19406979
I think he wants the game to not take the item, but instead take gold. I don't think it'll work. Even if it did the trade in should be worth more on resale anyways, since they should be equal or higher value right?.

>>19406700
dont adventurers eventually generate one if you keep killing them?

>>19407067
No. But the purpose of the super lure is to super lure people into thinking there is rhyme or reason to its spawning and into doing random crap like this

>>19404517
The big advantage of rubynus weapons is their outstanding accuracy. If weight isn't a problem, I'd also much prefer +3 life over +# evasion and a point or two of DV.

In your image, I'd consider the rubynus wing the most desirable of the three (assuming you don't have E+'s barrier feat - if you do then dawn cloth is the clear winner). The rubynus claw is also a strong contender against the adamantium claw, and it's also solid on weapons that have better accuracy than claymores. Rubynus and dragon scale are also good choices for weapons when you need to keep their weight low.

I'm not saying that rubynus is better than the materials you suggested, just that it can compete with them.

So, anyone wondering, gods can get drunk and fight each other. I had been inviting them over after each summon, it was fine for years till now. But then Yacatect made some moves on Lulwy, who was not amused. Leaving and returning reset them, but I was a bit worried I'd need to defeat them myself. It doesn't do to kill your guests you know.

I have a Young Lady and an Evolution Heart. How should I set up the AI in Custom so that she makes the most of potion throwing?

>>19406700
I've toyed with the idea of creating a custom dungeon/quest called "Ten Guardians of the Super Lure" where you'd fight your way through a boss rush and the last boss would drop it, but I haven't been able to find any explanation on how it could be done, if it's even possible. (I don't think Propman ever wrote any kind of guide. I mean, I know how to create a .pum file, but making a boss that drops the Super Lure is beyond me.)

>>19407618
Cant you just let them kill each other and loot the loser corpse?

>>19407839
Hah, killing them is the easy part. I'm level 403 in that pic. I don't want to have to re-summon them, or have them wreck my (not-quite-done-yet) house. Also, they keep missing and doing weak damage to each other. I wouldn't be surprised if the game won't let gods do any actually damage to other gods.

>>19407853
Though, I might have been able to just resurrect them. Does that work?

Accidentally got a wish while about to switch to Ehekatl. I already have Seven League Boots and ether disease shouldn't be much of an issue especially with how common potions of cure corruption seem to be so should I just go for an astral light pen?

>>19407986
If you aren't already complete with feats you should always prioritize Secret Experience of Kumiromi over ALPs. Generally speaking you probably don't even have enough levels or ink to make use of an ALP yet.

>>19408024
Just looked up the actual wiki page for the pen and I definitely do not meet any of the requirements to use it on anything worthwhile. What feats should I be prioritizing? I already have 2 unspent feat choices from levels because I don't know what to pick. Looking at the feats on the wiki, the only ones I think I might want are Dimensional Move and Fire Breath since my Constitution gives it the maximum amount of damage.

>>19408094
>I already have 2 unspent feat choices from levels because I don't know what to pick
"Characters get to select 3 free feats at generation and can earn a new feat every 5 levels for a total of 13 feats from gaining levels."
Welp I feel stupid. Almost as stupid as my first few chars not noticing bonus points are a thing. I've beaten 2 of the 3 acts of E+ multiple times and I had no idea I gain feats for leveling. Would have been so handy.

>>19408094
Luck, Life, and Mana are the most difficult things to increase. Expert Accountant and Expert Taxmaster have percentile effects which are "somewhat" noticeable.

So an I supposed to give all my pets Barrier after I max out their speed with AP?

>>19408373
Give them whatever you want. E+ pets don't even need AP to be good just by nature of how things work.

I kind of wish a super long extensive screenshot LP of Elona was a thing. Something like those Dwarf Fortress series for LParchive.

>>19408429
Uhh I mean couldn't you just take screenshots of Zergem's LP and use that? Him and Baguette's are pretty much as much of Elona as most casuals would see anyways.

Most of Kai's screenshots were already advanced stage, don't remember him putting up all too many of when he was early on.

>>19408429
Thing with Elona is that it's not all that off the cuff for long drawn out strangeness. There's actually so little to really do unless you'r roleplaying and take artistic liberties with the most innocuous things.

But when Elona Foobar is up and running, we should see much more shenanigans due to mods and forks of forks of forks made of forking forks

>>19408094
The ascetic series is always a winner. Everyone wants more hp. Dimensional move is nice, but most of its value is in the early game. At your level you shouldn't have trouble casting or acquiring stacks of minor teleport scrolls. Get hypnotist asap if you're not using spells for damage - it never misses and inflicts sleep very reliably on anything not immune. That will help immensely against evasive enemies and will turn large groups of enemies into a series of one on one battles. Violent garden is pretty overpowered in E+. The distance runner series is good if you use performing or special actions frequently. The mana series is just as good as the ascetic series if you've got the barrier AP feat, though it looks like you're too early for that.

Feats to avoid include the attribute-raising feats (luck, strength, constitution, and charisma) and anything that increases a skill.

The speed feats are fine in vanilla, but in E+ don't bother with them until you have over 800 speed.

>>19408373
Yeah, it will double most characters' durability for no real downside. It doesn't even trigger magic reactions if your mp drops into the negatives.

>>19408429
Most I could think of is some character slowly going from the very first release of Elona and noting how the world changes while slowly going insane.

"Last week, I felt a sensation I never had before. My mouth was "dry" and for the life of me, I couldn't figure out why. I thought I had contracted some new disease from The Void and the insanity that spawns in its infinite depths. So, I quaffed a bottle of Sacred Healer <Jure> in an effort to fight off this new disease, my last one for the moment. Seeing that I was fine afterwards, I celebrated with three bottles of Blessed Brim Ale, freshly fused. Normally, I would drink more, but I felt as if I was bloated, like I had eaten a Large Picnic Basket, and yet I hadn't touched a morsel. Strange."

"OH DEAR GOD THERE IS WATER COMING FROM BETWEEN MY LEGS DEAR LADY JURE HELP ME!"

Is it just me or I find the "Strings Assassin" feat to be extremely overpowered? At least for a melee character.
It scales with Tactics and deals absurd amount of damage in the early game (it lets you oneshot most enemies out there) and it is likely to be better than any of your shitty early weapons. I'm currently level 38 and still have to find a decent weapon, the only way for me to clear dungeons is to spam Blade Strings.

>>19406700
You should be able to buy the super lure for like 100mil or something like that.
I got way more than that from mine so it doesn't seem like a bad deal.

Is Elona good for studying basic nip or is do they use complicated and obscure words for everything?

>>19409048
Let's put it this way. If you know enough Japanese to read through Elona, you should already be near intermediate as far as reading goes. It won't help you much as far as learning everyday Japanese goes because you probably won't even recognize any 常用字 when they show up.

If you're trying to study "basic" Japanese you're better off actually studying from a textbook than Elona. It might not be as fun, but it won't throw you off nearly as much. Learning Japanese to play video games is a fair bit different from the standard path.

>>19409048
>>19409081
On the other hand, if you know absolutely no Japanese and you're attempting to tackle Elona solely based on what you remember of the story + controls and whatnot, you're probably going to run into roadblocks because translations aren't one to one. If you want a point of reference, Baguette's youtube series on Elona can serve as that (He does Japanese games besides Elona too, but basically his Japanese is "intermediate" level).

If you're not at the point where you can recognize basic phrases and general dialogue, you're going to have to do a substantial amount of translation and you'll probably be referring to a dictionary more often than not. If you're at the point where you can distinguish between katakana and hiragana and that's it, then you should take note that the Japanese version of Elona likes to throw in "mix ups" from time to time.

To gauge yourself, you should take a read through this and see how much you understand: http://elonagather.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/%E7%A8%AE%E6%97%8F
Reading through that and being able to understand it is basically low beginner to early intermediate Japanese. Sentence structure in there is fairly simple, and there aren't too many "uncommon" kanji being used. Playing through Japanese Elona is *slightly* easier than this since as long as you know katakana/hiragana and even more basic kanji you can "get by" by ignoring most of the plot and dialogue, but yeah, this gives you a reference point if Baguette isn't a good one.

>>19409081
>>19409144
Alright thanks anons.

>>19409013
It's "balanced" due to stamina limitations, poor scaling compared to typical "OP" stuff like living weapons full of magic damage, and poor skill training that will fuck you over eventually (only tactics, while a normal attack will use and train up to three skills with no stamina costs). But yeah, in early levels most of these special actions (violent garden is another example) will clean dungeons for you with little to no effort involved (other than occasional resting because of stamina).

Hey guys! new player here.
Do i really need a pet to play this game decently?
This little girl that's with me keeps opening doors and not helping me in combat unless she's cornered.

Also, i kinda just like roaming stealthly alone. Can i just leave her at home or dismiss her without being greatly penalized?

Also, is relying purely on evasion a good strategy? I'm currently playing as a dual wield dagger thief, I don't know much about defense on this game, so i'm afraid that evasion is kinda like a gamble, where i can get 1shot at any point.

Should i bother with evasion, or should i go full damage reduction?

Yeah, i was probably right. I died to slimes on >>19409592 and made another equal character (i'm playing on Loss mode)

I went to puppy dungeon and some random nigger oneshot me.
Another game where evasion is shit, i guess.

>>19409603
>>19409927
Evasion is okay early. In fact, in vanilla evasion was great, since a lot of the chaos bosses could be beaten with evade before they could with PV. However, evasion has a few problems:
a) it's random. this is a problem with any game
b) you NEED to stack it. you need points in the skill, DV on gear, etc.
c) classes good at evasion naturally like fairy will die if you ever get crit once or twice without major work.
d) crits bypass evasion. on vanilla and OO this isnt too big of a deal, but on E+ where later enemies can have huge eye of mind, you're gonna start getting hit more and more, and not for chip either. Greater Evasion can dodge rits, but its an annoying skill to train, and now your training two defence skills more than PV has to

>>19409592
>Do i really need a pet to play this game decently?
Nope, solo play is fine. Pets are advantageous though, immensely so if you're playing Elona Plus.

>>19409603
>Also, is relying purely on evasion a good strategy?
No. DV is nice but PV is essential. A balanced approach is fine as is going full PV.

It's best to build your character up a little bit before going into your first dungeon (do delivery, escort, and other non-combat quests, buy some equipment, gain a level or two from non-combat exp).

If you do want to jump right in to the puppy cave, at least prepare your character with an escape option (dimensional move feat or some teleport scrolls) and one of the offensive special action feats. The hypnotism ability inflicts a small amount of unavoidable damage and inflicts sleep on anything not immune to it. It's especially useful because it never misses. If you're playing Elona Plus, strings assassin similarly has perfect accuracy, but is focused on direct damage rather than a status ailment, and it's very powerful.

Watch out for kobolds, they do lots of damage and can inflict dim which will, among other things, cause you to take even more damage. The hungry spirits have high evasion and can't be put to sleep, so they're a potential problem as well.

>>19410013
"You mince the kobold!"

>>19409013
Pretty much every offensive stamina using attack is OP until act 2. Then hypnotism and garden are still good and you can buy continuous attacks. Which has more range, scales faster and does more damage than hitting stuff for basically no cost.

>>19409592
No, I play solo on every character and the game is still insanely easy.

>>19409603
>Also, is relying purely on evasion a good strategy?
No. Definitely not if you are going solo. PV is much stronger. Crits ruin evasion.

>start game as a dw thief
>starter weapons are a "raw" dagger and a cloth club

based
no wonder it was taking so long to kill enemies
imagine attacking something with a CLOTH club
a fucking pillow would hurt more

>>19410380
Just restart man

Apparently I got 10 free feats. Didn't know that was a thing. Dunno what to get after ascetic and the mana feats for survivability. Attack ones are pointless because continuous attack outperforms all of them at this point. Skill ones are too small to notice. Resistance is pointless since I'm superb++ in pretty much everything. Anything relating to pets is pointless because I don't use them. Anything that makes money easier to gain/lose slower is pointless because as someone with no pets I haven't much use for cash.
Not sure if there's something I'm missing that's super handy in general. I'm immune to all status but brainwash/dim/insanity but to my knowledge outside of being a golem you can't be immune to any of that even with feats.

>exorcist doesn't completely negate cursing words in combat

Huh.

>>19410387
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that Thief's starting equipment is always garbage because Dual Wield is the default combat style, so weapons are generated with light weight materials (paper, cloth, etc) to avoid the skill's penalties.

>>19410982
Exorcist feat only increases your curse resist, you still can be affected by curses even in your sleep.
Even golems that are "supposed" to be immune to dim still can be affected by it.

>>19411062
Was just surprised. Got pointed at and suddenly my girdle turned black.

How many enemies in this game even use cursing words anyway? Doesn't seem a terribly common effect.

>>19411096
I know there's some variety of minotaur that does it. I remember being surprised that some random vendor trash I was carrying got cursed by one.

>>19401871
The visuals can be rectified by importing +'s spritesheet with the proper modifications.

Big Black Cat or Black Catsister?

>>19411436
Big Black Cat and rewrite its text so it talks like Garfield. Kitties are cute. Catgirls are disgusting.

>>19411465
>Pretend they're Garfield
Well they're already Morgana and I already have a Catsister so I guess I'll go with the BBC. The monstergirl Big Black Cat sprite is keeping me conflicted though.

>>19411480
>monstergirl
disgust

>>19411465
Does Browbeat use lines from %txtInsult?

>>19411483
Some of the sprites look way better or appropriate than vanilla but sometimes they also end up looking terrible which is what I'm conflicted about.

>>19411492
If it doesn't it should

>>19411492
Unless it was changed after v1.73, %txtInsult is only used by Insult and Provoke, and %txtInsult2 is only used by Squeeze.

>>19410387
But why? It takes about 5 minutes to replace your starting weapons, and they were never gonna be any good.

>>19410466
Stamina feats are good if you use perform or any special actions more expensive than CA. Might as well get +15 to luck and PV if there's nothing else of interest to you. You said you have no pets so you already got the one that adds 20% to your speed, right?

>>19411648
Yah. I used my pet slots on rabbits too so I already got tons of luck. Didn't notice PV was an options so I'll get that thank. That should pretty much use them all up

>>19411624
Isn't %txtInsult2 used when a pet uses tamer's whip on you? Squeeze uses a different %txt (can't access my talk.txt files to confirm which one is the squeeze one).

>>19411734
skillname(710) = lang("スクイーズ", "Squeeze")
if ( customtalk_arg2 == 123 ) { s@m123 = "%txtInsult2" }

if ( _switch_val == 710 | _switch_sw ) {
if ( cdata(17, tc) >= 200 & cdata(186, tc) >= 5 ) {
txt_select lang(name(tc) + "は抱擁を振りほどくと、あなたをベッドへ押さえつけた。", name(tc) + " hugs you and pushes you onto the bed."), "", "", "", "", "", "", "", ""
if ( jp ) {
customtalk cc, 123

On closer inspection, I guess it's only used with Japanese text?

i want a Defender GF! (male)

>>19411648
>5 minutes to replace your starting weapons


PLEASE

TELL ME YOUR SECRETS!!!

>>19411792
>Get held up at gun point
>Defender does something too anime and freaks the gunner out
>He shoots you
>Defender blocks the bullet
>Defender fucking dies
I can't believe defender is dead

>>19412071
Go to Vernis. If the blacksmith has something better, buy it. Do an "I want it!" quest or something if you need money. If they don't have anything, hit another blacksmith (do an escort quest so you have money) or the puppy cave.

>>19411788
I'm almost sure that I tested this before, and I got the lines from %txtInsult2 after my pet used the tamer's whip on me. Maybe the pet is "squeezing" you with the tamer's whip, maybe I just can't remember shit even if my life depended on it. I will test it again when I get home.

>>19412071
>>19412266
If you want to get a real weapon early on, here's a good method:

First, acquire a rod of teleport somehow. Then head to Noyel. Zap Ebon with the rod of teleport to send him somewhere else. Make sure he didn't end up anywhere nearby. Then unlock his shackle. I'm not sure if you need the lockpicking skill or a lockpick, but it's easy enough to choose a class that starts with lockpicking, and Moyer sells picks. Anyway, Ebon will go to war with the town and usually he'll kill everyone. He won't go after you but you can easily die as collateral damage so stay away until the fighting noises stop. Then you can loot the items all the people in town dropped. If he killed an adventurers, you can potentially get stuff that'll carry you for quite a while.

Ebon's fire breath will start fires and destroy items. Ideally this should be done while it's raining to minimize the damage, but that's not likely to happen without the statue of Lulwy.

>Brainwashing removed all of my party's equipment
Holy fuck that is lewd.

>>19412381
u can also still just nuke the tutorial room without entering vernis or telling them to leave ur house for their items
or spend a bit in the puppy cave for oracle scrolls and trade them
all take longer than 5 mins though

>>19412421
Yeah. If you play Omake Overhaul, you can take the guts feat and survive nuking your cave too.

Oh yeah, grenades are super overpowered in the early game. If you buy one it'll carry you to level 10 or so. I think they might have been nerfed in E+, but who cares when strings assassin can carry you even farther.

>>19412519
Why strings assassin? Its one of the worst stamina using attacks in the game. Sleep touch and garden win button are the true carry skills.

>>19412401
>enemy rapes me
>wonder how if i am geared well
>bitch removed all my gear

of course

are enemies affected by stamina?/SP? can i have a party of grass dancers draining bosses to death?

>>19412602
Sleep touch doesn't work on everything and you don't get violent garden until you're level 30. Though you're right that both are excellent.

>>19412653
>Rape
Metaphorically or Literally?

>>19412660
Sleep touch does work on everything. It doesn't sleep everything. Its an attack that never misses and does good damage AND can also sleep things not immune (and you won't run into anything that's immune to its sleep and able to survive a hit until beyond level 30).

>>19412602
>>19412660
I don't like using those kinds of attacks because it feels like i'm cheesing/cheating the game.

I just get a decent weapon the way >19412266 described and autoattack forever

>>19412691

the way >>19412266 described

>>19412672
Metaphorically,only whores can rape you and thats with consent

>>19412725
>rape
>with consent

:frog_smug:

LAY HAND

>>19412676
Its damage is garbage. It's low enough to work as a poor man's knockout. I just rolled a character with 21 will and it does 3d4 damage, an average of 7.5. Blade strings was doing 50-70 right off the bat.

As for immunity, its damage is low enough that it's won't reliably oneshot some evasive, sleep-immune enemies such as hungry demons and bishops. Besides that, boss enemies tend to be immune to sleep. You don't want to tickle them to death with hypnotism when you could oneshot them with blade strings instead.

>>19412764
>GF (Male)
Pretty sure Cat Sis is a girl
>>19412725
>Rape but with consent
What did he mean by this?

>>19412777
I MEANT DEFENDER

Holy fuck omake overhaul is unstable, It crashes every 20 minutes.

>>19412764
>>19412791
Who's he reviving?

>>19412818
golden knight i think,shes too fight happy in these comics

Hey guys, i couldn't find any info about this on the wiki, so i figured i should ask here

i found some couple of rooms with cupboards, "lots of accessories", "lots of alcohol", "well kept armor" and etc.

I tried using, opening, examining, everything on them, but nothing happened. The hell are these items for? Are they just for decoration? I kinda want some new gear.

>>19412865
Decoration,either grab it for your home or sell them

>>19412818
Either >>19412841 or younger sister's big sister (the artist's character), I believe there are two characters getting hit by Lay Hand (maybe they are tagging together).

>>19412882
>PC getting carried by broken pets
it hurts

>>19412903
These pics are based on Elona vanilla, the artist just sucks at staying alive.

>>19412865
Gear is at the end of the hallway, you have to fight some more shitty putits though

>>19412903
Probably he just sucks at living or even more likely likes to pretend he does since simutaniously being good enough to make your pets good outside of E+ while being too bad to survive otherwise seems super unlikely. I doubt he's playing E+.

>>19412962
rueken is dead, so by extension PC is dead.
rip

>>19412952
the slimes always kill me :<

>>19412882
>younger sister big sister
is that a real enemy/pcc?

>>19412978
>rueken is ded
>elin artist is also kill
>elin itself is probably kill too
Life sucks.

>>19412994
Nah, the artist's player character is just very similar to younger sister.

>>19412978
Like the actual dude irl? That sucks. He had a nice style and good taste in vidya.

I'm kinda tired of playing Juere thief, but i really enjoyed the dual wielding aspect.

Is there a problem if i go Goblin Farmer and try to dual wield scythes? I don't know if i can get enough strength to counteract the weight penalty, but i don't think the decapitation works on daggers.

>>19413115
You can duel wield anything and its fine assuming E+. The flying scroll reducing damage was removed ages ago. So just use those.

>>19413142
>The flying scroll reducing damage
I'm sorry, WHAT? I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>19413142
>all those weapons
it's your fucking kind that made Ano nerf Chain the way he did.
How the fuck did you get so many hands? Are you playing as Sura?[/spoilers]

>>19413159
Flying Scroll used to reduce damage when it made things lighter. It doesn't now.
Newgame+ mutant, some abuse with ''it disturbds growth'' equipment, a very overpowered pet and rushing act 2. The mutant feat simply adds more limbs. It doesn't check how many you have. I'd be considerably stronger if I simply picked a custom race since I now have -50% speed as a standard thing

>>19413175
Oh, i didn't knew there was a scroll that made gear lighter. Thank you for telling me that, i'll look for those when i start my new game!

I've never made it past level 10, so i'm definately going to keep playing as a meak Goblin for now.

WHAT

>>19413187
You get flying scrolls via magic shop at like 100 investment. I made everything I wanted light by around level 60, so they're not too rare. Just need money. Cash money. Moola. Bling bling dolla dolla.

>>19413199
Yes.

>>19413199
Use it,it will be fun

dungeons are fun. got to fight a grief shield boss. hard to kill, causes bleed AND MP drain, and on top of that was randomly cursing my gear.

Convince me that living life on -100 karma isnt comfy

>kill adventurers/NPC for gear
>rob wandering merchants
>no need to pay taxes

>>19413351
>Go into town to do quest
>Half the quests are from guards
>They won't give you quests and just die in 1 hit at you

>>19413351
>kill NPCs for gear
this is a LIE

once, i was delving into the Puppy Dungeon and i saw a punk. I tried to pickpocket the fella and it showed a katana, a robe, a pistol and a bullet.

i killed him, and i only got the bullet to drop

WHERE DID THE REST OF HIS FUCKING GEAR GO?
This game is so fucking retarded sometimes.

>>19413373
save before delivering killing blow,reload till it drops the gear you saw

>>19413373
>This game is so fucking retarded sometimes.
That's really not an Elona specific thing. Most games enemies don't drop literally everything they have on them. Look at MH. Kill a monster the size of a city, get 3 pieces of meat the size of a small boy

>>19413382
>savescumming

>>19413402
>Not save scumming

>>19413395
>Look at MH
That's a terrible example. MH is fucking retarded as well.

>>19413430
As are most games.

>>19412796
It's trying to display untranslated lines. If you look at the segment under Edit 2 here: http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:28909 it'll tell you how to resolve that. I believe applying the most recent update will also fix it. After applying that I've only had one crash in ~30 hours.

>>19412978
Wait, was Rueken the Elin artist?

>>19413410
Save your time and dignity and just use wizard mode instead.

>>19413430
Trying to make video games "realistic" is infinitely more retarded than any item drop system.

Do a blessed potion of mutation do something differing?

>>19413500
Nah save scumming is boss mode wizard is cuck mode

>>19413514
Also why the fuck aren't they stacked?

>>19413542
one of them is cursed

>>19413553
Both stack are identified

is DPS the only viable build in this game? can i go full support slut,or tank,or clear the game by fucking enemies to death?

>>19413588
>Support: Extremely limited. Most healing spells are self-target, most buffs are self-target, half the ally affecting ones are specific to certain races and even if you enable all races and pick them you don't get the spells. Its workable but pretty boring.
Tank: Not sure about drawing aggro but you can totally just reduce damage to basically nothing. At superb resistance you barely note being hit. Superb++ is what I'm mainly at and unless the enemy is like 100 levels above me I basically don't take non-physical damage.
Fucking: No. That doesn't hurt people.

I was reading a guide and i was told that doing harvest quests increase your strength when you pick up the fruits, but i'm having trouble finding them.

Is it possible to plant plants on my own home, so i don't have to rely on quests for this? Maybe even make a dank profit by cooking and selling.

>>19413649
Go to Yowyn. 90% of the quests there are harvest time.
And no, harvesting your own plants doesn't use the same mechanics. Pick up weight lifting if you haven't done so already.

>>19413588
Can i let a pet be the main character while i just spam cheer?

>>19413542
Usually dropping them and picking them back up resolves it.

>>19413588
A tank with pets is probably the optimal way to play E+ desu.

>>19413685
Yea but its better to teach another pet cheer and platinum song since they'll gain speed faster than you and spam them more as a result

say i teach AP abilities to my pet,do i need custom AI to make them use it? stuff like shadow step and regen

>>19413678
Where can i pick it up? I usually spend my feat on Sense Quality or Dual Wielding

>>19413814
yowyn lol

What does attend magic practice even do?

>>19413814
You can hit the elona wiki for things like this.

>>19413830
Raises the associated spells, seemingly always by 1 level. Ripoff.

>>19413858
Thanks! Also, do I need a pickaxe for mining? I can mine without it but I'm not sure if there's any benefit if I have it

>>19413882
Don't need it. Dunno if it helps. Becomes irrelevant once yo uget like 30 mining and the magic power to fart so hard the entire dungeon breaks in 1 turn

>>19413882
In E+ and vanilla, no. In OO it makes you mine faster.

>>19413858
Is for level up spells that are difficult to get stock of

>>19414059
Still a ripoff. And clearly not intended for that since it covers trees of magic which have no such spells

>>19414069
Just because you can train magic dart doesn't mean the system was made for training magic dart. It would be strange to create the spell training feature and then arbitrarily exclude half of the spells.

>>19413542
>>19413578
They use different images (one seems to be yellow and the other green) that probably means they use different item ids and are thus unstackable despite being the same in all other respects.

>>19414112
Yea it would. It makes more sense to make it for all spells. And it was made for all spells. And a ripoff.

>>19413678
>Pick up weight lifting

What is the catch here? Aren't you supposed to play always with the [Burden] status, so that you passively train your strength as time goes on?

>>19414120
It doesn't train strength. It trains weightlifting which trains strength, but only if you have weightlifting.

>>19414142
what a mess

>>19414154
what exactly is the mess. its how every skill works. you raise them, they raise associated stat

>>19414116
>>19413858
>it gives a set amount of xp to each spell it trains
try again bud

>>19414288
When I'm at 400% potential and it gives 1 level for 3 pp its a ripoff. Simple as.

Is there even a point in using cloaks? Wings are so much better in every aspect.
I've been playing this game for like a week now, and i've never seen a cloak better than a wing.

>>19414449
If you already have float, it might save some enchantment space. But, no, not really.

>>19414449
I think cloaks have better PV. I'd assume that if you already have float then cloaks might be better?

>>19411624
>>19411734
>>19411788
Just tested it, %txtInsult2 is used when you ask a pet to "tame" you.
Not sure about the Squeeze part, though.

>>19414497
Forgot to add, %txtHug was the one I was thinking about when I said "Squeeze uses a different %txt", but in this case the PC is the one using the spac.

>>19414497
>ywn tame a dog and ask it to tame you only for it to call you silly and laugh at you

>be golem doing monster kill missions on act1
>grass dancer spawns
>drains all my SP and cripples me before i can act

Fuck,can someone answer if having a party of these buggers to cripple bosses is viable? please

>>19414662
Monsters don't use SP do they? Same as pets. I don't think it'd do shit

>>19414679
then,any speedy pet that drains mana? i REALLY hate how bosses here got absurd mana regen and can just spam shit nonstop

Why is this highscore so fucked up? Those 1st and 2nd places were like level 2 or 3 max; and the character that just died is level 5, the strongest i've ever had up until now, but he has way less points than the others.

What am i missing here?

>>19414449
A dawn cloth wing has the best DV. An adamantium feather has the best PV. A griffon scale/rubynus vindale cloak has good DV and some PV. Some equipment types are better than others at specific things, and some are just plain better than others.

>start game
>go check the blacksmith for some better weapons
>see these SICK weapons
>they're all heavy and i can't dw them yet

this is so depressing
why couldn't they be enchanted daggers or some shit

>start game
>go check the blacksmith for some better weapons
>see these SICK weapons
>they're all heavy and i can't dw them yet

this is so depressing
why couldn't they be enchanted daggers or some shit

>>19414884
None of those weapons are anything special. Stick with what you have, slowly build up. If you really need weapons you'll find those in Puppy Cave easy enough.

>>19414884
You'll never be able to dual wield them without a penalty. The limit is 4s for your main hand and 1.5s for your off hand. OO has a series of feats that lets you get your off hand weapon up to 4s.

>>19414963
Flying scrolls.

>>19414974
Won't it take him forever until he can get flying scrolls?

>>19414992
Since he's new, yes. But it does mean he can DW any wep he think would be cool to do so with time

>>19414884
scrolls of inferior material. Quest board reward or steal them. 1/30 townfolk/guards carried them when I played thief. Turn them into a lighter mat (offhand has to be lighter than 1.5s)

>>19415042
Won't turning them into paper or raw make the weapon way weaker tough?

>>19415072
The effectiveness of the weapon will be "in the same range" since your overall numbers are low in either case. Early game Elona, whether Vanilla, E+, or OO or any other fork, is generally slow early on, and your pet is probably more effective than killing at you thanks to a number of factors working together.

Realistically you are better off just plugging away at it until you get to a stable base financially, and can actually get the resources to start playing around with things. In your phase of the game trying to toy around with DW and the restrictions of DW doesn't do you any favors, because you don't really have the capability to affect those restrictions in a meaningful fashion. It's about similar to getting an ALP at level 1 and trying to figure out how to use it best.

>>19415072
It's the start of the game, you don't have to be absolutely perfect unless you'll sperg out of control due to being less than optimal. Gotta go forward using your head. Don't blitz just any enemy. Learn how to gauge them. Take on what you can. Use a bow/gun/magic rod as a test. If they don't seem too extreme try close combat.

Of course this outline isn't perfect. True perfection is to 1 round anything so it can't retaliate. You have to really know the game to zero in on what can be cheesed quickly/easily for that spike in combat. I gave a suggestion to let him do what he wants "now" and learn as he goes. Maybe he'll like it, maybe not. Better than the wait for flying scrolls. Hopefully he'll learn something and shape his own destiny with that.

>All the diary pets are popular and get a lot of love except for the older sister one

>>19415230
golden knight got a old sister vibe!

>>19415245
YACATECT IS BEST ANEGO

>>19415251
Lulwy is the yandere mistress
Jure the tsundere mommy
Ehekatl the crazy woman next door
Yacatect the cool big sis

did i get it right?

>>19415274
lulwy a shit
jure a shit
ekehalt a shit
yacatect a best :)

What's the best pet with super regene?

End of chapter 3

So it's been a long journey for this snail, longer than it should have been. I took a few months off from elona to play other games. When I left off I had grabbed the 5 performaids for ensemble. I just wanted to collect the set, I only use them for party time and arena fights. I've achieved my goals for this chapter: I have a full set of limbs, final gear, and 100 life. After getting all my limbs I only had 2 life stat, so 33 hero cheese. I've not given up on the five horned-helm, but I'll not lose sleep trying to get it either. I only have a few minor resists left, then I'll fill the rest up with piercing attack and magic resist as I can. I don't think I can get bleeding resistance.

I just finished clearing the cradle of chaos' last floor. I had actually gone up there several months ago and slapped Enthumesis a few times. I did decent enough damage, but was taking way to much damage in return. When I went back this time, she disintegrated. Then the choas child spawned in, and, just for curiosities sake, I melee'd him. He never hit for more than 50,000. It would have taken a long time to whittle his health down, but I think I could do it. Unfortunately, he's immortal and doesn't give xp, so I just switched to kiting him and using ranged attacks.

Deaths: 1

Fron the tour guide. I got revenge.

My thoughts on things I used:

MP Barrier: I used this when I had no HP. It's decent enough, if you just want a second HP bar. It does have flaws that make me not want to use it again. You get a better mp -> hp ratio with healing spells, and will frequently run out of MP. Now that MP poison is a thing, this will only be worse. Never use this and bloodrod at the same time. Bring rods/scrolls of mana.

Blood rod: Eats through MP like a motherfucker. Otherwise, works as advertised. Get vorpal for pierce. Don't use with continuous attacks, and beware of MP damaging things like eye of mana or mana poison. Bring rods/scrolls of mana.

Party Time: As for the results, ensemble is not so great. It gives tons of money and loot yes, but only the normal amount of tickets. I was getting more loot than I could sell in fact, and started to bring the shopkeeper pet into party time for the charisma xp and money. Even opened a second shop. But it just took too much time and stamina, I switched to fascination dance around 50-70 life. Dungeons/crafting are still faster for loot collection.

Future plans:

Grind casting up until I can cast wish to summon the gods to duel, or get enough rods of wishing. I'll probably do them in a batch, and keep wish spell potential to reduce level ups. I think I only need 500-700 casting, since my wish spell is LV 29. I'll also be using herbs and training machine + snow for attributes. When my shops get empty, I'll run through the void to level and fill them. Later, if I'm still playing this character, I'll try summoning the gods to party time and seeing how well that works.

I don't think I'll update past 1.77. I could handle Ark Survival: Pooping Evolved, so I can probably handle Elona: Piss edition. However, there doesn't really seem to be much to switch for near term. Long term has act 4, but.. I want to try Omake after this next goal. I'll also be looking to mod the graphics finally, maybe find that snail pcc that was made a while back.

>>19415315
isnt it meshera alpha?

>>19415339
No idea, I haven't played in a while. All I remember is that super regene was super OP

>>19415368
I might be biased so yeah i vote for her,i always get her on every playthough as a wife (packing 14 dead eyes as backup if the two of us arent enough)

Anyone try out the newish "Thread of innervation" skill yet? I've been using it a bunch and I've yet to see something turn into a puppet. Is there something I'm missing?

>>19415315
Earliest way to get a Pet with Super Regene is Harpy, but other than that she has very little merits.

Amurdad has the penalty so he's a bit of a hassle to deal with. Renai and Regulus don't have anything special about them. Meshera is very easy to ALP (by the time you get to there you should be ok as far as ALP requirements go) and you don't need to worry about God penalties.

I have two living katanas and have been trying to get them to do all types of elemental damage, but I heard it might be better just to pump living weapons with raw magic damage. Is it also worth training them or should I wait for lightsabres?

>>19415893
>I have two living katanas and have been trying to get them to do all types of elemental damage
Rainbow spread has never been effective, even in earlier version testing, thanks to how the damage mechanics and resistances work.

>Is it also worth training them or should I wait for lightsabres?
You "might as well" train them, because there's no real loss other than time.

>>19415893
Katanas can be easily made into lightsabers. but yeah, for damage you just want magic damage. You can throw in something like nether for life drain or chaos for conditions, but neither will be reliable come late game.

Isn't the thirst mechanic completely optional? Carrying Magaqua outright turns it off.

So what does the Wooden Horse do? And why does it look nothing like a horse?

>>19416367
Carrying Magaqua turns off a lot of things. An unfortunate side effect is that your swimming never improves.

Monsters do not clear out of cities over time in Omake Overhaul. Someone triggered Ragnarok somehow and Noyel is now uninhabitable in my game.

>>19416373
Wooden horses are historical torture devices.

>>19396988
Wanna play Elona+. Where to download latest english version?

>>19416601
Omake follows the Vanilla philosophy of "If you fuck up you live with it". You're going to have to manually clean Noyel up.

>>19416601
Yep just like old skoo elona. I remember dropping rotten food on wells to block them so denizens couldn't quaff. Aliens ruined towns too. That happened in Vernis, 1st time I ever started playing. Wasn't far in, either. Later on Ragnarok hit Vernis. Goodbye ...

>>19416720
>>19416735
Honestly I think that approach makes the game a lot more interesting, even if it's often harmful and unfair.

I played vanilla back in the day, but it's been a while. Just wasn't used to that after so much time with Elona Plus. My favorite memory from the original Elona was when a nasty alien outbreak took hold of Palmia. There was an ever-growing arms race between the guards and the aliens where the guards would level up from getting killed by aliens and then new, stronger aliens would burst out from those guards. It went on for a long time and the madness only finally came to and end when I found the shield of thorn and got the aliens to kill themselves against it.

>>19416791
Hahahaha, that's great! Yeah I agree with your sentiments.

I always say a healthy bit of paranoia goes a looooooong way. Defend yourself by thinking critically. Everything else is out of your hands. Let the chips fall then roll with it. Thanks for this, reminded why I loved Elona to begin with. I'd love a mix of QoL from E+ but more mechanics from vanilla/OO. In time ...

>>19416679
https://bloodyshade.no-ip.org:42333/ElonaCustom/Elona+/
Choose a version

https://bloodyshade.no-ip.org:42333/ElonaCustom/Elona+%20Custom/
Match the version above with one from here.

Unpack the files from the Elona+ link first. Unpack Elona+Custom next, in the same directory. Run the game with E+C's exe.

Furthest i can ever get in the game is ehen i start off by playing music for money and raising charisma to gey a bunch of slaves to fight for me.

I tried converting an altar in a zealot dungeon in OO. It caused a modified version of ragnarok that summoned hostile, high level god servants all over the map.

People keep mentioning farms are op for money, but plants take way too long to grow, and fertilizer doesn't work until they reach stage 1, which still takes too long.
And plants/cooked stuff don't sell for much either...
Am I missing something? Does it get faster with higher gardening or something?

Is there a way to disable auto save in OO? Also, why was the price of items rising everytime I sold something? I had a mica energy cell on sale for 260, sold some heal pots, guy wants 272 for it now. Sold another, bought it for 280. Bug or Jew-simulator2K?

>>19417410
High gardening means you grow more plants. High cooking means you make more high quality food. Nothing is "good at money" at low skills in anything sans cargo runs. Keep gardening and cooking and it becomes a steady supply of cash. Also, dont sell food directly, put it in a pet-run shop to maximize profts.

>>19417570
Oh, my bad, I forgot how much npc shops fuck with prices.
I guess I'll start saving up for a shop deed.

>>19417570
meant this for >>19417397

>>19417410
OO Modify variant disables auto-saves, but it's not translated yet. Gotta rely on old-styled backups for now.
OO changed how shops in general works, but I'm guessing your case have something to do with your Negotiation level. Or maybe Impress level (that will go down if you are too ugly or annoying) also affects prices? I'm still trying to figure out the new stuff.

thirst is in 1.77 or this OO whatever it is?

>>19417822
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29

>>19417861
as long as that crap doesnt hit custom plus i am happy,else i am staying on old versions once it gets implemented

>>19417784
I think you're on to something, I have the minus feat for impress down. Damn per "talk" loss means careful navigation is needed. Thanks.

>>19417905
>He doesn't want to pee pee wee wee
pleb

>>19417961
With how crazy some changes are (like new variables affecting prices and +1000 shop rank unlocking stuff), I'm guessing that "hypersexual charismatic prostitute that follows the ninja goddess of capitalism" is the strongest starter kit in OO.

Strongest thing in OO is devour with the mutation that lets you eat anything. So anything that gives you cash to spam mutate/cure mutate in you get that is >>> anything else

>>19418051
So, a hypersexual charismatic prostitute with Kirby genes that follows the ninja goddess of capitalism. Got it.

Can someone please explain to me why i'm getting jewed like a motherfucker? I payed this dude 2 plat to improve my Weight Lifting, but the skill didn't budge, only the "%" by it's name.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? That i'm supposed to train the skill myself?

>>19418147
>>What the hell is that supposed to mean? That i'm supposed to train the skill myself?
yea

>>19418147
the % is your potential, it affects how quickly you can level up that skill but goes down as the skill levels up

>>19418147
Trainers will only improve your potential (basically your skill EXP multiplier), you need to either use the skill or use skill points (also affected by potential) to increase the said skill's level.
In Weight Lifting's case, you need to do your everyday adventurer stuff while carrying at least 50% of your current wight limit.

For some reason in OO the ''you are good with blunt shit'' skills have vanished. Both the damage increase and dim on hit. They were there before. If I pick Blacksmith, I'll have 2 ranks in hit stuff. But can't see the skill in the list to invest more. On any class/race.

OO showing every character's ages sure reveals some interesting things. Lily gave birth when she was one damn year old?! No wonder she's caught all kinds of incurable diseases.

>>19418315
During character creation, you can only invest in weapon-specific feats if your race or class specializes in that weapon. Once you get your next feat at level 5 you'll be able to invest in any of them.

My assumption is that you can't buy feats associated with skills your character doesn't know, and that during character creation your character only has their race and class skills, but once you start the game proper, every weapon skill except firearm is automatically added.

Odd, I know.

>>19418353
But then it should show on blacksmith... because it already did. And now its just not. Even though they're pre-invested. I can also max 100% damage in any other wep on any class.

>>19418165
>>19418194
>>19418198
is there a scroll or potion that willl give me those dank bonus points i get to spend on skills when i level up?

actually doing the activies to level up is pretty annoying desu. I was hoping the TRAINER would actually TRAIN my skills instead of improving the potential.

>>19418507
In act 2 you can trade AP, a resource you gain via killing shit around level 60+, for bonus points. But pets get twice as much AP as you so its a much better system for them.
If you don't wanna grind activities this really is not the game for you

>>19418366
Oh wait I'm dumb I accidently selected 1 class above blacksmith before lol. Still weird blacksmith, the class about hitting things with a hammer, which starts with +2 in blunt, is not proficient in blunt.

>>19418569
Maybe it's because these classes are part of a different mod designed for base Omake, so OO dev "updated" the Blacksmith class to work with the new feat mechanics, but possibly forgot to change the class itself.

>>19418694
I just manually added blunt myself. Its 1030003|. Most classes are pretty much just do swords or swords or unarmed, very few blunt or axe by default.

>>19418507
Leveling up will give you skill points that directly improve your skills. They don't seem like much at first, but in lategame E+ you can gain a level every few minutes.

Are fort static locations?

can someone post how the flesh dolls look like? are those like meaty furniture?

>>19418856
Yes, they all have the same long corridor and arena, specific boss, treasure chests (loot is random) and small medals.

>>19419019
It is wise to use them as storage if I'm really fucking low level? For what I saw the hallway is right open. I'm thinking of putting my house between Palmia and machine fort

>>19418890
Are you the one who was having trouble generating them earlier? Because v1.79's changelog includes
>Fixed the item sprite for flesh doll not displaying properly.

>>19418890
The dude next to me is a doll. The drop rate is insanely low.

>>19419053
It's fine as long as you stay at the far southern end.

>>19419053
The arena at the end of the fort is just there for decoration, if the fort boss somehow detects you, he will go all the way to the fort's entrance just to murder the shit out of you.
Instead of using your money to change your home's location, buy a storage deed, they are fairly cheap. After you get super rich and buy a mansion, you can buy a pair of stairs and turn the lower floor of your home into a storage room.
You can also use the slime dungeon and the thief hideout in Vernis after you kill all monsters inside of them (same issue as the fort: monsters can detect you, but they won't respawn after you kill them).

>>19419110
uh,i expected them to look like monster sprites fleshed red,thats neat too i guess

thank you!

I was curious, so I looked up the mechanics of resisting items being cursed by monsters. The function name for item cursing is "*spUncurse_cursed" if anyone else wants to look it up.
Basically, it's:
p = 75 + Luck + (anti-curse enchantment power / 2)
if (rand(p) > effectpower/2) curse ignored
else if (rand(3) > 0) and trait(Exorcist) curse ignored
else curse an item

>>19419185
Nah normal colored. Good for putits. It'd be a fun skill if they dropped consistently but they don't so it sucks. You just end up awkwardly trying to last hit things with this really weak stamina using move for ages and hoping you get lucky.

>>19419252
wait,so it makes the monster a 'decoration'? so to speak,it works on anything or?

>>19419273
It makes them into food technically. You need anti-septic so they don't rot. They can be used as decorations, which was my plan. But its just insanely unreliable even if you use knockout to assure the last hit

>>19419273
>>19419386
If you want dead monsters as decorations, just use figurines. You can edit the figurine stand on item.bmp and the game will load the NPC sprite normally.

>>19419228
>else if (rand(3) > 0) and trait(Exorcist) curse ignored
So exorcist is a 75% chance to prevent curses from monsters that have already bypassed your equipment-based resistance?

>>19419386
sweet,i will try doing so once i am bothered updating from 1.76

>>19419442
But I wanted to use the skill to kill stuff and collect them and have a house full of corpses :(
Its not as cool if I know they're figurines.

>>19405701
Oh, that's interesting, can't you abuse this by just reranching the second knight?
Also birthed mobs are generated when you enter the ranch?

>>19419443
I'm pretty sure rand(3) is either 0, 1, or 2, so it's a ~66.67% chance.

How do pets breed on ranch if they are alone?

>>19419551
Hookers.

>>19419551
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Breeder's_Guide

>>19419551
They aren't alone, the male breeding your putit is just timid and and isn't really into voyeurism.

>>19419563
Non-canon
They fuck Lulwy.

>>19419584
but my pet is a male

>>19419616
That was never an issue in Irva. You can even get married with your male pet and make a time-space-traveling child with him right now!
You can even play as your child and, with the right time-space tools, make love with your mother (male) to create more children if you want to.

reminder to not dick crazy girls lile noel the bomber or ehekatl

>>19419855
And Kumiromi. Especially Kumiromi.

>>19419867
that's a boy (god)

>>19419965
they can change sex and shape at will,nothing wrong with impregnating kumi

>>19419976
If that was true, Jure would have fixed her boyish chest ages ago.

>>19419976
but he's the one who gives seed in vanilla. Most likely (You) will get impregnated by hyperfertile shota dick, not the other way round.

>>19420045
She might be a special case since in the lore, at least Noas stuff, she is truly immortal and even though at times she is suicidal she would just respawn.
That might lock her into that shape.

>>19420124
name better wife material than her

you cant

>>19420046
But in vanilla, the PC is the one giving seeds to Kumi. Plus, PC's white seed is so powerful that it can impregnate basically anyone in the world, be it male, female, slime, divine, eldritch abomination, etc. The goddess (male) of fertility would never refuse the most fertile seed in the world.

>>19420151
yacatect
shes a best

>>19415328
I use continuous attacks, blood rod and barrier all the time on my mutey with no issues. Just kill fast enough it doesn't matter.
grats on you're win

Omake is a pretty nice change of pace from +. I'd rec just going to puppy cave early on, grabbing scrolls, stripping then using them so you don't accidently curse yourself 5 mins in and have to restart or try to grab and identify uncurse while teleporting

Also, anyone know what ''At Show House choose "【omake用】イナリ神社】" to enter sacred grounds of Inari.
'' means? I want the wep this god gives. What is the show house?

>>19420320
You go to the show house. At the show house you select the option to enter the Inari Shrine. That's where you get the option to join Inari's covenant.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Show_House

>>19420383
Lol I walk past that all the time. Also entering crashes the game.

>>19420415
Have you installed the patches? You needed the newest one and the user.zip pack to avoid japanese letters (apparently they are the ones crashing the english-patched game).

>>19420450
Yea. That fixed the crashes from dialogue with NPC's. This seems to be a different thing.

>>19420458
If you're playing in English it might just not be available. I dunno.

>>19420486
Probably just forgot about it existing when they translated or something. No biggy either way. I'll just do the god that gives a hammer then hope I find her later.

I'd assume this was also forgotten; found it in puppy cave

Dunno why that didn't overwrite like a good boy. I'd assume they also forgot this.

>>19420415
>>19420458
Based on the changelog, there is a way to wish for altars already aligned to specific gods in OO. You have to wish for "altar (god's formal name)".

>>19420880
Yea there is. I was looking at other methods before using a wish; I got feats I want to wish for before wishing for something I'd then need to grind up to get benefit from.

>>19418708
Is there a limit to how many levels you can get? I want to have enough bonus points to max EVERYTHING and become GOD

>>19421058
Yea but its so large you'd die before doing that. The fastest I know of someone leveling was when a guy took Kurata and reset his ini to the lowest possible without cheating and even he wouldn't have been able to do that.

Is it possible to make Elona+ C go into 1920x1080 resolution? playing on 1280x768 is killing me.

>>19421413

Supposedly there's a hard limit on the number of tiles that can be displayed. What happens if you edit the values in config.txt?

Apparently younger sister trees look just like normal trees.

CUTE!

How can I check if I'm under the buff of blessed restore body/spirit?

>>19421964
Stats will be green

>>19422090
?

>>19422104
Speed on bottom row. Green. They look like that.

>>19422109
I just fucking drink a blessed potion and shit isn't green, yo

>Putit Nefia is good for loew levels it says
>Good for low levels
Goddamn thief putits stole 20k from me which is half my cash and left the map

>Anime porn
>Anime porn
>Brainlet pic
pottery

>>19421856

>>19422228
this happens


>>19422245
>anime porn
>kamidori

epic

>>19422287
>Its not anime porn
>Its simply porn
>Which is also anime
>I play it for the story

>>19422293
i play it for the mechanics and for the grind
that's why i'm trying to get started on Elona, nerd

the story in Kamidori is good, but it's nothing extraordinary. It's just decent enough not to feel bored when playing.

>>19422412
>and for the grind
;)

>>19414974
>spent so many of those just to make my little girl dual wield scythes
Worth them though

>>19422448
why worth it? aren't light sabers the best weapon in the game?

>>19422616
Because it looks cool.

When i level up, i get to spend 5 bonus points.
I'm supposed to have 400% potential on a skill before using these points, right?

>>19422802
Nah fuck it you can just get more with AP. Just use them to hit about 30-40 performer (depending on if solo or with pets) and raise anything else annoying to get to consistent levels/to raise in general. Cooking is good because it raises super slow via just cooking stuff. For some reason raising skills with bonus points always seems to try to set your potential to 100% so just aim for that/

>>19420415
Works on My Machine™.
Try to delete the God, Item and NPC folders in the User folder before extracting the User.zip's files, that is how I managed to make it work.
Also, jewish fox lady > jewish big sister

>>19422640
Is the decapitation effect noticeable? I'm going to play a dw character soon and i'm trying to figure out which kind of weapon i want to use.

Most of them have so shitty bonus enchantments that i'm lost.
Might go with long swords or claymores if i don't choose scythes.

>>19422900
I have been away for a while but I remember it can be quite useful if it procs.

>>19423066
did you decapitate her?