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Touhou is actually a philosophical discussion about eastern and western philosophy and civilisation from the eastern perspective, much more specifically between Christianity and the Japanese religious tradition. Depending on your perspective the girls you have been playing or fighting all along are either the herelds of the anti-Christ, figures that will bring down the death of Christianity, or proto-Christian figures who foreshadow the new evangelical age.

I just really wanted to talk about how cool the aesthetics of HRTP is, what do you guys think of sariel?

>> No.19326007

Sariel has one of the best designs and boss fights in terms of atmosphere ever made. The fight itself is complete bullshit but fuck does it feel scary.

East vs West is one of the major themes of the series, though not in terms of Christianity since that was literally just hrtp. Even the name Shanghai Alice brings this across (Eastern name Shangai and Western name Alice) as well as the myriad of characters from both cultures. Even the two protagonists show this with Reimu being a traditional miko and Marisa being a western witch.
The fantasia element also feeds into this but I'm too hungover to put my thoughts together for that, maybe later.

>> No.19326061

>>19326007
>though not in terms of Christianity since that was literally just hrtp
There are still refrences throughout the series though, like the whole personified saint thing in EoSD. Jesus Christ is mentioned occasionally, and I think it is supposed to be something in the background then the focus.

>> No.19326383

>>19325959
Just play some SMT games.

>> No.19326684

>>19326383
Last decent SMT setting/story was Strange Journey though.

4 is just basically incoherently recycling a whole bunch of done to death themes and elements in the series. It had potential but it never really tries to do anything with it.

4A's story is a complete abortion fanwank by someone who understands nothing about SMT and thinks it is some Persona spinoff as it flies in the face of almost everything that makes SMT's setting unique.

>> No.19328056 [DELETED] 

>>19326684
Like several quick blows toothed skull almost…

>> No.19330280

The entirety of HRTP is a religious existential crisis

>> No.19330295
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It's not nice to start a Sacchan thread with actual discussion.

>> No.19330411

>>19325959
go outside for once

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>>19330411
No

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>>19330436
Sacchan feets~

>> No.19330476

HRtP thread devolves into Sariel image dump due to lack of interest from anons. Every. Single. Time.

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>>19330476
Make it a Konngara image dump for once, then?

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>>19330482
Elis is cute too

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>>19330532
I've warmed up to Kikuri a lot lately, but like the rest of the HRtP cast, the amount of art featuring her is pathetic.

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>>19330582
Not HRtP but I like how even Satan is a little girl in 2hu

>> No.19333175

>>19333156
Shinki is not Satan.

>> No.19333337

>>19326061
Perhaps the most recent example of the clashing of east vs west is from TH15 with the introduction of Hecatia, a Greek titan/goddess who has since started plotting through Clownpiece in Gensokyo. What's really interesting is that Gensokyo doesn't just have only Asian cryptids and mythological creatures, but many imported western ones as well, such as chupacabras, hobgoblins, etc.

>> No.19333390 [DELETED] 

>>19333175
Nah, given the clothing style she might be... ho ho ho but that would be crazy!!!
>sneak up on her and say something in
Austro-Bavarian-Espanol and watch the results

>> No.19333864

>>19333175
She is Lucifer

>> No.19333887

>>19333864
Exactly.

>> No.19333934

>>19333887
So Sariel is her sister, right?

>> No.19335377

>>19333934
No, Sariel is the Christian angel of death and is possibly the same Sariel from the bible, but if you think of it that way then I guess you could still technically call them sisters since all angels are sisters/brothers. There is a possibility that Sariel was made by Shinki, since she created makai and everything in it but we won’t ever know because that comes from the philosophical aspects of HRTP

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>>19330582
There is still some stuff

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>>19339877
cutekuri

>> No.19342387

>>19326061
I'd want to hear more about this. I've been thinking Hopeless Masquerade where japan's national religions met to fight each other. But actually, Christianity, specifically Catholicism, is also one of Japan's national religions. There has been an underground Catholic presence in Japan since Francis Xavier and figures like Amakusa Shiro are famous[/infamous] in media. If there is a Christian element in Touhou it would be kind of an interesting way to do it by including it indirectly and hard to discover.

>> No.19343193

>>19342387
>If there is a Christian element in Touhou it would be kind of an interesting way to do it by including it indirectly and hard to discover.
You summed up completely what I thought about Christianity in Touhou, the Christian references in toughly are spread far and thin but they do have meaning. Even the fact that it has vampires which live in western mansions, which are associated with Oni (吸血鬼), can be compared to the hidden aspects of Christianity - I think they have been shown to be immune to crosses. Even simple statements like “English beef” in EoSD can have deeper meaning in the whole idea of West vs East, and you can pick up these deeper themes from every stage of that game alone if you look into it deeply enough - even Patchouli Knowledge may relate to the importance of literature in these two cultures.

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>>19339919
Leskuri

>> No.19348785

>>19325959
I made a post awhile ago about how touhou got me back into religion/spirituality and got banned for it
I don't really agree with your interpretation of the games; they're non-preachy and meditative, showing the benefits of spirituality and mindfulness but also the downfalls of zealotry and hypocrisy

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>>19347889
I usually pair Sariel with Konngara, but this is good too.

>> No.19353787

>>19351004
Romantic relationships with angels wouldn’t turn out to well, have you read the Mysterious Stranger?

>> No.19353791

>>19348785
That is what I think as well, but I wanted to make a more dramatic statement

>> No.19354009

>>19333887
>>19333864
Shinki wa Shinki da

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Horry shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMVIR66D1MM

What do you think Sariel and the other pc-98 2hus doing in the meantime?

>> No.19357209

>>19353787
That was no Messenger but actually an Auditor of Reality so your opinion is contestable.

>> No.19357221

>>19357209
I don't even think angels would be allowed to date though, wouldn't it go against their heavenly purity?

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>>19357221
I know what you're asking here and I suspect the answer you need, but all can say is: absent celestial dad fathers don't know what you deserve so start breaking up with your love for stifling restrictions like that, this isn't a one player prayer session. Or something …

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>>19357145
Sariel, Elis, Yumeko and the rest of Makaihus:
Help mom around the realm.
Yuuka, Mugetsu, Gengetsu and the rest of LLS:
Do whatever Yuuka wants to do.
Mima:
Aspires to be playable again.

>> No.19360193

When will there be a black 2hu? Need more representation against white supremacists like ZUN

>> No.19360535

>>19357730
D-dad is very, very, scary. Do you know what happened to my brother?

>> No.19364113

I just realised, Sarial no hat = angel of death

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>>19360535
I'd have to know which *dad you're referring to in the first place.
>weary travelers also red and blue may I spin a web for you?+

>> No.19364702

>>19364196
The scary man way upstairs, the the one that destroyed that gay city

>> No.19365198

nice headcanons

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>>19364702
He destroyed Montreal cause otherwise I'm guessing you and me don't tend to the same conversation topics, especially when you ignore one of the signs they aren't doing very good. That was not a suggestion to eliminate Montreal by the way, not that you really want my opinion in person or online anyhow.
>headcanon remains an obscuringly dull form of wordplay btw

>> No.19367499

>>19365342
Is there really not one good man in Montreal who wouldn’t fuck his daughters when he escapes?

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Anyone else think pc-98 Reimu is modern Reimu's mom?

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>>19367560
I do now.

>> No.19367695

>>19367560
>>19367572
Didn’t Reimu and Marisa imply she was an orphan twice in obscure side-texts? Rei my keeps changing her eye colour on som of the modern games as well, so I have a theory that Reimu keeps dying and the subsequent ones are all clones.

>> No.19367703

>>19367560
>>19367572
Fuck that post was so bad I have to write it again.

Didn’t Reimu and Marisa imply she was an orphan twice in obscure side-texts? Reimu keeps changing her eye colour in some of the modern games as well, so I have a theory that Reimu keeps dying and the subsequent ones are all clones.

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>>19367703
Touhou theories based on eye/hair color can be pretty dank, but are ultimately nothing more than curiosities.

>> No.19367738

>>19367714
It is either God or Goku

>> No.19367746

I think Wriggle Nightbug is a trap. Think about it.
>wriggle + bug = worm
>worms are long and skinny
>much like a penis
>this wriggle bug (worm) is of the night variety
>night = under cover of darkness
>hidden

"Wriggle Nightbug" therefore, is code for "a hidden penis". Wriggle is a trap.
Unfortunately traps are still gay though so if you rub one out to him yo are a faggot.

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>>19342387
I also found this in Forbidden Scrollery

>> No.19367768

>>19367738
>It is God
More than likely considering Shinki is one. Women don't date down after all.

>> No.19367787

>>19367768
Little girl Satan only takes big celestial dick!

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>>19367787
Shinki is a mature well endowed woman, not a little girl.

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>>19367819
No! She is a qt little girl!

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>>19367829
Her body is that of a fully grown woman who's had plenty of children during her life.

>> No.19367852

>>19330439
Smelly!

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>>19367845
Is that why she looks like she has is trying to hide the fact that she is depressed and dead inside?

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>>19367855
That was even before her girlfriend left her. I wonder what she looks like now?

>> No.19368973

It's not about Christianity or eastern religion.

Those are all just interpretations of phenomenon from an inferior early human perspective concerning technology or the relation of the physical universe and consciousness to the dimension of forms and pure energy.

In order to project themselves here, beings from the world of forms have to manifest physical forms forms that we can see, usually. Since they are powerful enough to manifest they can do all sorts of stuff and it makes sense that with more energy directed towards them with faith and worship give them power(the brain emits electromagnetic waves).

The incursions go both ways. In the physical universe vessels like bodied merely hold the same types of beings as the ones from the world of forms.

Basically gods and conscious beings are the same entities and have the same abilities once learned and mastered.

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Yeah, like, all the theories are interesting and stuff but... What if it's just about cute girls dodging bullets with inspiration from religion, philosophy and mythology?

>> No.19369763

Nice headcanons and crack theories, retards.

>> No.19369866

>>19330411
>>>/trash/

>> No.19370214

>>19369036
You're one of those wet blankets who likes to say "it was just a joke" when people try to discuss and theorize about the mosquito on OPM aren't you? You've added nothing to this.

>> No.19371303

>>19368973
If such faith is important, then wouldn't it give even more emphasis to the themes of Christianity and eastern religions since faith in Christianity (which believes in one true God) threatens the power of eastern gods?

>> No.19374528

>>19371303
The thing Is, most people are non practicing and unfaithful to the Christian god, the relgion was created anyways to funnel energy into more nefarious deities people wouldn't worship to begin with so they barely maintain themselves and the semblance of power.

>> No.19379782

>>19369763
Go play HRtP and tell me Zun wasn’t trying to say something in that game, even at a basic level

>> No.19379986

>>19379782
>Zun
It's ZUN you retard. And HRtP wasn't a commentary on anything. The PC98 games didn't have a "Christian" theme.

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