/jp/ - Otaku Culture

お前らが童貞を捨てたのは何歳の時だ？

>>19260158
>be me, just switched to iPhone from Android
>AnkiMobile app is $25 (as opposed to Android's $0 app)
Fucking why? How am I supposed to study flashcards on my phone?

what is the best writing utensil to practice japanese character sets?

>>19260377

Just gonna have to bite the bullet and get it if you want anki on your phone. It's to pay for apple's ridiculous publishing fees.

Stop watching on animelon if you are a dekinai. You are stealing precious bandwidth.

>>19260266
一生童貞ですけど

>>19260377
>switching to Apple
>ever

You made your bed, now sleep in it.

Daily reminder to not use anki as it is useless.

おはよーーーーーうっ！

>finished anki reps
>read for 2 hours
>did all my work for regular school
Now I can just enjoy some raw animu

>>19260987
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujNSKqiWdWY#t=115

>>19260377
Use ankiweb on your browser of choice

>>19260956

>read a work for a dozen hours
>get used to the language and vocab that the author likes, everything is fine in the world
>actually imagine you learned Japanese
>start reading another work
>what the fuck is this
>what the fuck is that
>i don't understand anything

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

that shits actually an illusion

you never actually knew anything

>>19260377
You paid $800 for a phone, surely you can spend a few quid to support the main tool in allowing you to learn Japanese.

Also: >>>/int/

>>19260158

The reason we need a new guide site is because the maintainer locked feedback and hasn't changed anything in months. There are already parts that are going out of date.

but everyone acquires language the same

why does the guide need changed

>>19261081
>There are already parts that are going out of date.
Outside of websites/links being take down has anything really changed?

how long have you been "learning" and how much of this do you understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9XaOPgV9PI#t=17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nB2j4_Y3gM

It's funny listening to this guy say "Kazooie" like a Japanese name. Anyone else use LPs for listening practice?

>>19261158
yes all the time https://streamable.com/m22cu

漫画は読書とは認めない。

>>19261158
https://youtu.be/w-RDrWcGn8w

yeah it's fun way to practice

>>19260492
obviously a brush. pencils and pens are western inventions designed to rot the east by destruction of art, starting with calligraphy

>>19260377
>just switched to iPhone from Android
抱腹絶倒

>>19260659
Its not though

Hey guys I just switched to Yomichan from Rikaisama and I'm having a few issues. I've read through the DJT guide, the yomichan guide and the anki guide, but I can't see to get any answers.
My audio won't import, have the fields lined up and everything, nothing is playing when I hit the green import button from yomichan. I don't even know where the files would go, I looked in the anki collection folder.
Also, when I try to import a sample sentence it's putting the furigana before the kanji, doubling up all the writing for some reason.

Sorry for the TLDR, thanks for any help you can provide.

>>19261094
The yomichan mining setup guide is incomplete, for example.

>>19260598

>>19261247
its such a pain to read with all the yomigana cluttering up simple phrases

no wonder manga is watching

>>19261250
if furigana makes it harder for you to read then you don't know japanese

>>19261208
Sorry but that is actually an illusion.

You think it is useful because you use it while also reading and listening, but in reality you are learning from the reading and listening.

If you where to read an extra hour a day instead of anki your japanese would improve faster.

>>19261256
it makes it harder to look at, but not read
that looks ugly and the scanner must have been at least 1000 dpi

>>19261265
it looks ugly because it's upscaled by their image viewer anon

>>19261261
wtf I hate anki now. all this money they spend on advertising.. the people just need to read about ads

>>19260377
>Using an IPhone

ITT jewish google botnet shills

Just install lineageos. It's not hard.

>>19261306
You don't need the google botnet to use anki though.
You don't need a phone at all.

>>19261068
actually the phone and plan came free with my living arrangements

>>19261055
>Listen to IGN Japan for hours on end
>suddenly decide to listen to a regular TV-tier talk show
>can't fucking understand any of these おばさん's speech patterns

How am I supposed to get with Japanese Cougars if I can't even understand them?

Does the guide resource list seriously unironically mention Remembering the Kana?

>>19261364
Nothing in free (except Anki on PC/Android). You're likely paying even more for it through inflated living costs.

>>19261384
The guide is a joke and should be ignored. Just do RATTATA or Matt's version of AJATT

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%AA%AD%E6%9B%B8
>読書
>本を読むこと
一往漫画も本（特に絵本）だから漫画を読むのは本を読むことかもしれない

>>19261391
actually I don't pay anything for rent or food either. one of the benefits of being a neet I guess. the downside is I can't afford a $30 app

>>19261486
いちおう？

わかんない

>>19261486
も

>>19261492
>>19261493
まあ一応

>>19261461
19 days into Ajjat and I can already feel the habit forming.

what do i do if i don't have access to amphetamines

>>19261461
Spoonfeed me on RATTATA ください。When I google it all I find is pokemon

>>19261461
RATTATA is cool and all but how about RAWR: read and watch raws

Does anyone else's Yomichan import audio? I'm at a fucking loss here.

10000 hours of anime or your gay

>>19261537
read all the time and take amphetamines (the amphetamines are optional but they help if you have access to them and they're safe for you)

>>19261537
Read All The Time (And Take Amphetamimes)

winners dont use drugs

>>19261525
methylphenidate, caffeine, or lots of masturbation

>>19261552
ありがとうございます have some melonpan

How am I supposed to know when to put words linked by の backwards or forwards?

私はアメリカの大学の学生だ

but chest surgery is just 胸の手術

how come it's not backwards?

>>19261585
Wait until you have read 10000 pages of japanese and then see if you still are confused.

>>19261585
The thing to the right of the の is the actual thing. Whatever is to the left of it is just a description.

>want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you
then where should I go if I need help with a translation? If I can't request a translation, at least can I ask for help?

>>19261768
are you translating something or trying to understand it

>>19261585
General structure in Japanese is modifier+modified. For instance, in 青い空 you have 青い→空 (blue→sky) and get "blue sky."
In your case, 胸の手術 results in 胸の→手術 (chest→surgery), so you get "chest surgery."
You can also see this in your previous example.

[{アメリカの}→大学の]→[学生]
(America→university)→student
"student at an American university"

One function of の is to turn a noun into a noun-modifier. That's why it's useful and things like 川端の本 can have different meanings depending on context. (e.g. you can interpret it as "Kanabata's books" or "books (that) Kanabata (wrote)" and the right interpretation depends on what the sentence is talking about). But sometimes you will also see things like Xに対してのY... You can probably ignore that for now.

>>19261779
I'm trying to understand it but after lurking these threads for a couple of days, I've been starting to realize that posts requesting an explanation get somewhat ignored.

>>19261782
Why are you explaining this when you could have just linked to Tae Kim? Learning の is so easy Tommy Pickles could do it

>>19261809
Post the sentence and context and what you think it's expressing. Ask for clarification on the part you don't understand.

>>19261818
so question was. "You are sick and want to go home" ask using て form. Been away for awhile and my response was...

すみません、私 は 元気じやありません。うち に かえてもいいですか。

So how far out to lunch am I. Also the two ways of saying house drive me nuts and I thibk I have the wrong one.

>>19261818
I’m working on some practice problems and couldn’t understand this question

あなたの大学には、どこの国の人がいますか。

I often get confused when lots of の are used... Thank you!

If you're using a textbook stop that. If it's for a class drop it and spend your tuition doing something more useful.

>>19261818
It's in the bottom left corner.
>学校がおわったら
when school finishes
>すぐに帰って
as soon as we return home 　
>まるで私を　避けているような　
I will act as if I avoid this

I'm stuck at this part "まるで私を　避けているような" how should I interpret this? These are the things I understand:
まるで私を　= adjective + noun + object particle
避けているような = Te form + iru continuous action + you appearance or manner + na ending
What is the "you" supposed to mean here? How do I interpret "marude"?
I think she's saying that she will avoid touching this subject until school finish and they return home.

To all the fellow dekinais looking for a song they could understand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EX3tQWswj0

>>19261880
Alright, this is the worst part you're misunderstanding:

>まるで私を避けているような
>私を避けている
This means someone is avoiding the person who is having these thoughts.

Also,

>学校が終わったらすぐに帰って
means something like "when we go home right after school ends" (though the "when" at the beginning isn't part of the Japanese).
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22%E7%B5%82%E3%82%8F%E3%81%A3%E3%81%9F%E3%82%89%E3%81%99%E3%81%90%E3%81%AB%22

Lately,
Hotaru's been acting a little weird
When school ends and we go home
It's just like she's avoiding me

I feel like you're trying too hard to have a literal understanding of the Japanese, so you're getting distracted from how each panel leads into the next.

Of course, since this part is internal narration, a couple of the grammatical patterns are nontrivial, so it's natural that you're going to overlook them. But you should try to get a feeling for what they're doing based on the earlier and later stuff that you do actually understand. Notice how Hotaru is basically looking away from here this whole page.

>>19261880
Marude and youna are working together to conget the "it's just like" part, by the way.

>>19260158
how do I speak japanese?

>>19261917
first you learn japanese

>>19261917
Then you realize you still can't.

>>19261905
are there any other suggestions? how long did it take you to get this good? is even possible to learn Japanese?

>>19261934
It took me two years of reading porn and manga and failing really hard at Anki. I'm not really that good. I couldn't translate anything long for the life of me.

As long as you don't stop reading you'll at least get to the point that I'm at. And if you can get where I'm at then you can learn Japanese.

>>19261925
>>19261927
Is 'chinpo/ochinpo', 'manko/omanko', 'ikuu', 'oppai', 'baka/anta baka', 'nakadashi', 'MINNA', 'panteko', 'paizuri/naizuri', and 'desu' enough japanese to speak it fluently?

>>19261947
You forgot "dame"

>>19261946
>old-made alcohol
Yea I'm not gonna make it

>>19261946
Manga isn't reading though.

>>19261997
Porn is reading though.

>>19261905
>It's just like she's avoiding me
>私を避けているような
oh, I think I understand. Since Komari is the object, she's the one getting avoided! I was just misunderstanding and misinterpreting the wo particle!

nobody here knows what is omitted after youna lol

>>19262009
様子

>>19260158
Gents i'm studying Kanji Radicals, Anki set i downloaded is outdated and uses alternatives as the main (apparently a woman made it).

Anyone has a good source of Kanji radicals i can print out for practice, Preferably i'd like the main radical with alternatives/ description.
But getting the main radical only is okay, I can learn alternatives later.

>もし悩みとかでもあるなら　
in case there is such thing as a problem
>年上として
as a senior 　
>聞いてあげないと。。。
I have to ask

>>19261905
wrong

>>19262057
You're misinterpreting the role of とか there but basically yeah

>>19262042
I'd recommend you to download the Radicals Anki deck.
>>19262058
why?

>>19262058
is something actually wrong or are you just posing

>>19262063
thats for you to figure out

>>19262065
You don't know Japanese.

>>19262065
>>19262058
oh god... Why these posters make me so fucking nervous?

>>19261542
i think i can get behind this one

>>19262066
not spoonfeeding you ive already done enough to help you
you can accept it or not

>>19261622
>>19261782
Thank you, this helped me a lot.

>>19262075
vocaroo dot com slash questionmark upload
random page of some ln I have on my hard drive

>>19262075
Just fucking stop! I bet you don't even know your native language!

>>19260377
All of Ankiweb's server costs are paid for by the purchase of that app, be grateful it was free to you until now.

>>19262089
When are you going to admit that the desktop version of Anki is virtually abandoned so people can fork it and fuck off?

>>19262078
if he knew japanese would that mean he isn't trolling?

>>19262091
??????

>>19262094
no but he doesn't so he definitely is

>>19262078
>>19262085
here ill give you a hint
>When school ends and we go home

>>19262100
Either you have a serious case of the dekinais or you don't even know English.

>>19262103
you dont know what the japanese is saying

>>19262105
But I do.

>>19262063
>Radicals Anki deck

I did, Downloaded a few but as mentioned they aren't all proper.

Looking for the official set i can print for physical study.

>>19262103
not him as you can tell by actually giving an answer:
when school ends hotaru immediately goes home as if she's avoiding me

>>19262100
Could you please kill yourself? We all know you're just a lame bait poster and you don't even understand English.

>>19262126
That's not what the Japanese means though. They go home together.

どうしてみんないなくなっちゃうんだろう

I think AnkiWeb isn't working properly.
I am trying to sync between my PC and phone, and told the PC client to import from the sync that my phone made. It then uploaded roughly 300mb of 'media' to wherever and then wiped my PC version back to a blank slate. Good stuff.

>>19262135
The PC version makes backups. Just so you know.

>>19262131
they go home together (because she follows) but that's not what she said
pay attention to the grammar instead of looking at the pictures and assuming what it says

>>19262141
I don't think you know what すぐに帰って means.

>>19262127
screenshot it and look at it again in a year because that's about how long itll take you to figure out something so simple

>>19262140
to where, exactly? it never asked me to pick a directory, and cleaned out all my anki progress and the folder is still the same size as it was before.
My phone still has its progress but I'll be pissed if I open it and it tries to sync to a default.

>>19262145
i don't think you know who the subject is
why would "we" going home immediately have anything to do with feeling like i'm being avoided

>>19262150
this spoon is too big anon. feed anon with a smaller spoon next time

>>19262150
lol attack of the N3s
you shouldntve jumped in the pit

>>19262150
>i don't think you know who the subject is
That part doesn't have a subject.
>why would "we" going home immediately have anything to do with feeling like i'm being avoided
That's the time when she's being avoided.

In case you don't know, the まるで makes your interpretation unnatural.

>>19262126
immediately = すぐに　
Right... This is an adverb and indeed, Hotaru goes home in an immediate way after school finishes like in this page of the same manga >>19262057
If you take a look at the upper left corner you see that Hotaru shows an urgency for leaving.

>>19262162
>That part doesn't have a subject.
i don't think you know what a subject is
>In case you don't know, the まるで makes your interpretation unnatural.
please enlighten, since i've put my interpretation forward

>>19261055
that's why I constantly switch to something else after maybe 3 volumes to get max exposure

>>19262148
i mean the one guy has been "reading"(impossible btw) manga for two years and still can't understand baby tier manga so it might take longer than just a single year

>>19262070
You shouldn't rely too much on /djt/.
If you can't understand something no matter how hard you try, skip it. You will, later.
I don't know how it happens, but it does. Right now I'm looking through the first volume of Yotsuba for new vocabulary and I keep asking myself just how could I not understand these simple sentences 2 months ago.

>>19262180
are you saying that neither of these >>19261905 >>19262126 are correct?

>>19262173
すぐに帰って isn't a logical dependency of the たら clause. It could be if the word order were slightly different, but the way it's written it's not. Your interpretation, at least the way you translated it, makes it a logical dependency of the たら clause.

>>19262186
I never said that.
Do you also have trouble understanding English?

>>19262194
nevermind...

こんな出来ない大量の集団初めて見たｗ

Why is this language so fucking hard?

>>19262219
because it's not indo-european

>>19262180
what would you consider to be the best way to approach the language? How do you avoid getting overwhelmed?

I don't know jack shit about subjects, objects, clauses, logical dependencies and whatever the fuck else and I still understood that page just fine. Why are you wasting your time studying grammar? Literally just read more.

>>19262243
by skipping shit that goes over your head and reading a lot
you should be reading something hard enough that you struggle a bit, but some things you wont understand even if you put a lot of effort into it and that's okay. all of the things you do figure out prepare you for harder things, so focus on reading more of those instead of putting too much time into the few things that are a bit out of reach

djt

>>19262262
It really makes you consider if the DJTs should be on this board.

>>19262219
it keeps the SJW out of japan

Regardless of who was right, if you actually know Japanese, just saying that someone's explanation is wrong is extremely unhelpful. People who have sub-N3 Japanese do it all the time. If I were explaining something and someone said I was wrong with no further elaboration, I would automatically assume that they're even worse at Japanese than me, and that they're misunderstanding things the same way as whoever I'm responding to.

>>19262273
You're right. It never should have left /a/, but normalfags felt otherwise.

/r/ing channels like DHCテレビ

>>19262298
wow! you're from the days this was posted in /a/! how was that?

>>19262305
Reports actually did something.

>>19262305
the current djt is like a pig pen with all the little piggies rolling around in the mud and shit
the /a/ djt was like a monkey enclosement, shitflinging included, but still much "better" than a pig pen

>>19262293
This x100, thank God for that.

>>19262338
オインクオインク

>>19262348
wrong sfx

No worse way to kick off your morning than by reading this thread.

>>19262401
so who was right

>>19262131
Hotaru tries to go home alone on the next page.

>もうひとりのアナタ
Oh she meant his member

i haven't read it but i assume they live in different houses

What verb should I use to say "You can't learn Japanese" - 学ぶ or 身につける ?

JKとお散歩したいそしてホテルに行って中出しセックスしたい。

Let's not be elitist here.

>>19262441
No, she was referring to Atem, the soul living inside 遊戯.

>>19261461
>Matt
lol a mix of pseudo-science and weeb.

>>19262509
where the fuck do you think you are

>>19261880
I don't know where you got the "as soon as WE return home" from. She's literally talking about Hotaru in the panel before.

Lately, Hotaru's Behavior has been weird.
As soon as school's over, (she) leaves immediately.
It's just as if she's avoiding me.

まるで and ような/のような are both pretty basic grammar points that you should know. Go look them up, I think they're both even Genki 2 level grammar.

まるで it's just as if
私を you need to take note that it's 私を and not 私, aswell as the context of what's going on.
避けている avoiding
私を 避けている "avoiding me"

Why do they keep deleting their posts?

>>19261811
tyler kim makes it too simple so we gotta complicate it man

How is AJATT nothing more than extended common sense?

>>19262547
Because it adds shitloads of unnecessary bullshit that doesn't help.

>>19262449
学べない sounds like circumstances prevent you from learning it.
身につけられない sounds like you lack something essential　to learn it.

>>19262547
rtk meditation sentence cards = no no
then you have read and listen more which is a-okay other than the silly incomprehensible listening at the start

>>19262550
So 身につけられない is perfect.

>>19262550
The latter it is then.
Time to update the description field.

>>19262449
学ぶ makes it sound like you are going to study it in school or gonna major in it. ex: 大学で心理学を学ぶ

身につける makes it sound like you can't find out how to get some needed skill in the language

>>19262550
身につける事が出来ない ?

>>19262557
I would say
お前は日本語を覚えるなんて出来ない

>>19260517
>$100 publishing fee
>same as Google Play store
the fuck are you talking about

できる

できるできる

できるできるできる

>if massive input works then why are there immigrants who live here for years and still don't speak the language?
So what IS the rebuttal to this? I've seen this question so many times and never seen a good answer.

>>19262662
they don't get massive input
they isolate themselves in their native tongue

>>19262662
Where is here?

>>19262671
Anywhere with immigrants who don't speak the local language

Where can I download Japanese audiobooks of actual good books? Want something to listen to and I hate weeb shit.

>>19262662
Obvious

>>19262677
Germany and Sweden? The reason is unrelated to linguistics in every way imaginable.

>>19262684
wrong thread

>>19262687
Japan for example. Unless you sit in your apartment 24/7 consuming English content only it's pretty hard to avoid coming across Japanese at least some of the time. And yet people live there for years and get nowhere.

>>19262719
Yeah, nah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ftoWvOShyY
If bobby can do it, anybody can.

>>19262662
Because they don't try to learn the language.

>>19262662
I would say just having the language all around you doesn't do much as long as you ignore it.

>>19262719
japan is a poor example with how much you can get by with only english (in the areas that foreigners typically move to anyway)
it helps to actually NEED to use the language
regardless, the answer is that mass comprehensible input works, not any mass input. overhearing conversations you grasp absolutely none of and seeing signs on the road you can't read is not comprehensible. a bartender explaining to you in japanese that you need to leave because you're making the other customers uncomfortable is comprehensible and helps move you forward.
but that pales in comparison the volume of comprehensible input you can get through media. it'd be a less shit option when you already know the language well enough that natives can relax and have actual interactions with you instead of struggling to simplify their speech.

What is "流れが必要だ" supposed to mean here?

>>19262786
need for crying?

>>19262786
Keep the conversation flowing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62r8m3JyEwg 30mins in. How is AJATT not just Turbo Autism? Does it turn around?

>>19262800
This is the best thread on the best board...

>>19262810
Don't translate. Feel.

>>19262813
Well, I know what you're talking about, but I don't think I can feel Japanese at this stage, and when I do feel I most likely feel it wrong. Maybe in a few months. It turned out to be much more difficult, than learning to feel English.

>>19262843
Feel is just another word for "having massive input". These guys just like to rephrase it.

>>19262851
that's obvious if you feel what they mean

>>19262813
is it fine if sometimes I use google translate for certain things?

>>19262876
GT is a bigger dekinai than you

>>19262786
"流れ" in this case means "a string of events" which leads her to an opportunity to make a confession. She thinks she can't confess her love to him out of the blue.

>>19262876
it's fine if you want a more inaccurate guess than you had before

わたしはゲイでございます

Morning lads, just read the thread >>19262126
is right and >>19262145 is wrong right?

>>19262924
Do they often do this shit? "I'll just give you a single noun and you go figure out what the fuck I'm talking about".

>>19262956
they're both wrong

おはようおにいちゃん

あたしはねるぐー

>>19262963
I mean it's kind of just one of the meanings of 流れ

Anyone thinking of doing AJATT watch this video. >>19262808 If his Turbo Autism resonates with you then do it, you'll get good. But seriously after watching this I'm convinced that AJATT is a meme that's a mix of common sense, pseudo-science, weeb and autism. Holy shit, are people really like this? Is it a white people thing?

So how much have you guys spent on learning Japanese?

>>19262982
that's a hapa in the video

>>19262992
4 hours on listening
4 hours on reading
Every Single Day!

>>19262968
もう夜だぞ
我が妹の白痴症は夜と昼を分かるにくくに募るなんて…

>>19262963
Is it that HARD for you to figure out she needs some excuses to talk to him?

>>19262982
It's funny how much time newbies spend arguing about different methods of learning Japanese instead of learning the damn language.

>>19262992
bout tree fiddy

>>19260377
Worth it IMO. It's even better than the android app. The android one runs slow as fuck for me but the iphone one, even on an old as fuck iphone 4, runs way faster.

>>19263003
ちゃんとしなさい

よるとひるをなんですか

>>19262726
goddamn japs are fuckin racist.

>dead tired from work
i-it's fine if i take a break for one day right haha, I will be back tomorrow..

>only have like 15 words left in mining deck
>postponing doing anki until I get home and mine some words until I get at least the 20 I do every day
I'm doing the right thing, right?

>>19263181
If I were you I'd take a break from work, permanently.

>>19263209
how am i going to pay rent then

>>19262726
I think I've seen that hwyte boi before, who is he?

>>19263168
How's that racist?

>>19263247
if you have to work to pay rent, then you've already failed at learning Japanese. just accept you're unlucky and move on to something a little less time consuming. maybe one day socialism will be the dominant form of economy so everyone can enjoy being a neet

> turn on NHK World to see Japanese news in English
> It's full of middle east documentaries and lib shit

Goddammit.

>>19262662
if you can do what you need to do with your limited nihongo then you naturally do not improve because it doesnt matter

>>19263286
You can become a NEET right now.

>>19263353
But normies are social creatures, they actively need and seek contact with others.

>>19263433
not everyone is trying to become japanese or whatever

people who talk with japanese people constantly are going to be a lot better than people who find their expat or other gaijin circle of english speakers to be the majority of their human interaction

that said its entirely possible and happens quite often that foreigners become able to understand and keep up easily in conversation but still fall back on meekly acceptable ways of communicating when it's their turn

some people dont and literally wow folks at how their japanese might even be better than theirs

think of it like how you might find chinese people who can engage normally and perfectly fine but talk in really bad english but communication isnt totally breaking down and mostly everything is fine

and then theres others who speak much better english despite also growing up chinese and being bilingual but always speaking chinese at home just the same as the previous guy

if you can do what you need to do shit mostly stays the same but because life is life youre still learning new things anyway but thats independent from consciously trying to change a habit

how many kanji you guys learn per day? I started off at 10 for the first 200, went to 15 for the next 300, but I'm thinking I could go more. Just don't know what sort of "diminishing returns" ill get.

how much nihongo do you know

theres your diminishing return

>>19263645

Doing only Kanji seems like a waste of time. Kanji through vocabulary mixed with radicals if you really want dedicated Kanji study sounds like a better use of your time.

>>19263660
just going off what the guide recommended, i figured isolated kanji first then vocabulary/grammar after would be a good linear way of learning

>>19263678

Problem with isolated Kanji is that it's hard to remember without any application, at least for me.

Core 2k6k, Japanese the Manga Way for grammar, and finding Japanese content to listen to and watch has worked for keeping me focused. Some people have a higher tolerance for building up knowledge before using it, but I have to use it immediately or it doesn't stick.

How do I filter Chinese search results in Google?

>>19263678
if you were actually learning you would see how bunk that bullshit is and begin barreling brilliantly beyond and imbibe some beautiful 文型s you bitch

>>19263705

Use Chinese when searching.

>>19263705
by learning how to use google in japanese

>>19263708
wat.

>>19263712
>by learning how to use google in japanese
Is there a guide for that? とは doesn't solve everything.

>>19263718
what cant you google and i will teach you how

only one time though so make it good

>>19263726
I just wanted to read up on some idiomatic expressions but there's like 10 different words for it in Jisho. I tired adding -表 to some of them but it gave me something different.

>礻 is 示

>>19263730
cant you just start with 慣用句 and going from there

https://my.mixtape.moe/veuhqs.webm
What is せん？

https://blog.matthewhawkins.co/learn-kanji-fast-ultimate-guide-to-remembering-the-kanji/

This needs to be added to the DJT guide immediately.

I just bought a 12'x12' dry erase board to practice writing kanji from RTK. You guys aren't jealous are you? Ah that's right you don't think writing is important. Haha enjoy your illiteracy.

>>19263803
Writing will come naturally after consuming lots of eroge

>>19263786
A cork plug.

>>19261384
What's wrong with that? That seems like it'd be a great guide actually. I plan on going back to it for katakana.

>>19263808
In the example video.

>>19263786
せん is an old form of しよう.

>>19263815
Good to know, thanks. Any good resources to look these things up?

どうもせんでいい

>>19263803
youre just gonna draw peepees on it after a while

>>19263826
google shithead

>>19263880
I tried. What should I have googled to find the right result?

>>19263815
Is this kobun? I can't find any dictionary entries either.

>>19263826
No idea. I learnt this kind of things when I took a Middle Japanese class a long time ago.

Reminder that Anki fucking KILLS you.

30+ new cards was too difficult for you

>>19263924
I feel pretty alive tho...

pouring out some asahi super dry while eating takoyaki in memory of all the fallen anki boys who just wanted a better life but had no idea what they were doing

>>19263948
That's what they want you to think.

>>19263924

I've brought it down to 10 new and have spent more time doing other things at 300 words in. Not letting vocabulary building consume all my time.

>>19263987
>300 words in
Man, have you ever thought that whatever you say in this thread is completely and utterly worthless and that you could mislead people who think you are more advanced into believing what you are saying? Clearly you are spending time doing other things, like shitposting on DJT when you know absolutely no Japanese. Fucking retard.

>>19263987
Good idea since as long as you're reading and semi enjoying yourself you'll remember the words anyway. Fuck anki. Piece of shit supplementary program.

>>19264003
>number of words in Anki is number of words you know

Top kek, by this logic you know zero English

>>19264023
You think I don't have an Anki deck for English?

>>19263987
If you feel overhelmed by anki at 300 words in, you almost certainly don't know any Japanese.

how many words do you need to learn off of flashcards before *cant keep straight face* reading becomes more *face starts contorting real fuckin hard* comfortable *爆笑s*

>>19264075
Between 12000 and 18000.

if someone has the mettle for that kinda nonsense i wouldnt be surprised if that was about right

i know what mettle means because i do anki for english

I'll remember that sentence because I do anki for djt

*shits in the thread*

gotta remember all your favorite myposts

Have you told anyone in real life you're learning Japanese?

>>19264122
Yea

paging that dude who likes to post the "moooooooooom" thing

>>19264122
Yeah
I had to tell the lady who takes the JLPT application forms

Nobody complained about /djt/.

whats there to complain about

>/djt/
>/djt/
>/djt/
>/djt/
>/djt/
>/djt/

whats your issue

daaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

SHITPOST PREVENTION LINE
No shitposts allowed below this line
------------------（´－｀）----------------

うんこ

thats two lines lol

大きなおちんぽのためにあたしは日本語を勉強しています

wow this bored is shit

>>19264175
behold the power of anki lmao

complaining about anki isnt learning japanese

i was just admiring the eloquence of its user base

Anki taught me Japanese

todays nihongo lesson of the day is counting with a-thug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kcwg4oeS5w#t=32

check back tomorrow for the next nihongo lesson of the day

>>19264196
At the cost of your soul and integrity.

>>19264206
Don't need those things now that I know Japanese

>>19264210
Post a video of you signing Toradora in JSL or you don't know Japanese

>watching jap quiz show
>understand and answer the question before any of the participants
Absolutely 出来る

>>19264122
Told my mom yesterday and she told me my sister is learning Korean.

your sisters gonna learn hangugeo and then be better equipped to learn nihongo and learn that before you even just learn nihongo lmao

shes just gonna run circles around you completely owning you while youre looking at flashcards and crying

whats the best way of going about kanji learning anon? I'm done with kana for now and want to start kanji. the guide suggested three ways, I cant decide between radicals and learning kanji with vocab, which is better? how helpful are radicals?

>>19264300
What the fuck is this? How retarded are you? You can't read a simple guide in English, yet you want to read the runes? Well, dumb cunt, you're lucky I'm here to break it down for you, although I do wonder if you have actually have zero reading comprehension, making this effort pointless... So, first things first, cut straight to kanji and forget the radical bullshit, with the fastest way of learning the basic 3000 that you need to read a simple children's book being to print them all out and copy them by hand (pro tip: tracing them saves some time). Once you've done that, you're probably ready to practice speaking, so just go outside and use all the kanji you learned over the last 2 years (as per the above) by narrating your life as best you can out loud. Film it and review it daily to monitor your sick moon gainz.

Lastly, move to Japan and teach English.

Good luck, cunt.

yeah im not reading that^ post
5 decides which post i read

Remember to not be elitist

if I get a 5 jamal stops posting forever

>>19264327
so I should just forget about radicals? thanks, at least I wont waste time with them now. and I live in some middle eastern shithole anon, there is no way any nihonjin would be willing to come here so I can only talk to myself at best (which I will do). English teachers are useless , mine were atleast.
good luck to you too senpai

>>19264359
You replied to pasta lmao

>>19264300
Other guy is trolling you. People in this thread generally recommend memorizing the kanji by just exposing yourself to a lot of native material. Read a lot and you'll eventually remember what kanji looks like and what they sound like in a given context.

I'm doing RTK and I can visualize the kanji in my head because of it, but it's not worth it. It's a pain in the ass to do. Just read a lot.

>>19264357
idk what post triggered you but this is my first post in about a half hour

>jamal can't into math
Color me surprised.

網 綱 鋼

>>19264384
>being literate isn't worth 3 months of kanji study

Come on djt

>>19264437
the hangugeo post was where i stopped to do big boy things but dont worry im back

>>19264383
well that is fucking embarrassing. thanks for informing me

>>19264384
is Tae kim's approach good then? learning kanji along vocabulary? I doubt I can read native material for now, I don't know any grammar yet

>>19264443
I'm assuming most people here don't care about writing which is why I say that. Although I appreciate being able to visualize and write kanji so that's why I'm doing RTK.

>>19264462

Japanese the Manga Way is way better for self learning.

What's the DEEEEAL with these vocabulary words?

>>19264497
wayne p lammers the god

Watch Terrace House

alright so after about 1300~ words into core I'm starting some trouble telling apart kanji so I bought my friend's KLC for like 10 bucks, how many kanji should I go through each day?

Here is my current studying plan
>Daily anki reps: 60-90 min ( Core + genki)
>Genki book study, 3 times a week with italki teacher (90 minutes)
>Japanese the manga way on days I don't have italki lesson but thursday is my day off so about 3 times a week, usually 1 lesson or till i get bored.
>1 hour of brute force myself into yotsuba (Raw reading) usually every day but not always.
been at this study plan for about 3 months-ish and I guess i average to about 2-3 hours/day. This is already probably pretty intense to add KLC study so I might take it easy and do 10 kanji per day maybe more at the start since i already know the basic ones, thoughts?

>>19264576

Put it in Japanese the Manga Way slot when you finish with that.

What are the absolute worst resources for learning Japanese? Shit everyone should avoid.

>>19264513
If you've been doing core 2k for long enough to get that vocab to show up it's honestly your fault

>>19264611
djt

>>19264611
Anything related to matt or ajatt

Rare kanji excavated from porn manga, get it while it's hot: 蠕動

>>19264576
At 3 months in reading native content should make up at least 75% of your time spent on Japanese

>>19264384
If you can't stick to a 3 month plan just because its a pain in the ass you won't go far with the actual challenge of reading

>>19264611
Any premade deck, including core.
Any textbook written for dumb gaijin.
Trying to learn words out of context.
Using English to learn Japanese after the 2000 mark.

>>19264591
Why do you prefer Japanese the Manga Way over Tae Kim? Just wondering. Might switch to it.

>>19264821
Because I love verbosity and not being able to use it as a searchable reference

>>19264576
>I'm starting some trouble telling apart kanji
But I thought DJT said you would magically be able to differentiate kanji? Huh, strange. Maybe RTK has a point after all.

>>19264821

It's not overly technical and feels more focused. Tae Kim feels like it's trying to do too much and often dips into resources that I already have covered elsewhere like vocabulary. Manga Way is short sweet and to the point and doesn't waste time getting you to the point where you're ready to start reading.

>>19264830
You can spend some time on RTK, or you can learn the fucking language and even though you mistook a kanji for another, you'd realize it doesn't fit the fucking context.

彼[かれ]のあの 様子[ようす] で は 交渉[こうしょう]はだめだったらしいな。
Whehy is there a DE there .

>>19264830
Running from RTK is such a short sighted venture. Just get it over with and you can start reading all you want. Its not that difficult...

>>19264762
What makes you think I can't stick to the plan? I'm doing it. It's just a pain in the ass. I don't know whether or not reading will be as annoying. I can picture it going either way, but I imagine slowly deciphering a paragraph is more enjoyable than imagining some stupid fucking story I don't care about to remember a kanji.

>>19264762
Plenty of DJTers claim to be literate without having done RTK. Which makes since cuz why would assume someone can't do Y just because they think X is annoying.

Learning the radicals in a few weeks while continuing to learn kanji through vocabulary seems like a better way to go than RTK.

>>19264881
Its a matter of principle. If you quit now when things get tough you'll likely quit again when the difficultly spikes up.

>>19264895
I still haven't finished rtk but I think you're right. if you associate a keyword with all the radicals then you can instantly make up a story to help you remember the difference between two-similar looking kanji. just observe which radicals separate the two kanji you're fucking up, then associate that different radical with the word the kanji is associated with. you don't have to make up a story using all radicals in that kanji.

you won't learn correct stroke order for kanji this way, but stroke order is gay and doesn't matter.

>>19264904
Except that doesn't apply because reading is fun even when it's challenging but RTK is pointless boredom.

>>19264929
What if two kanji are similar and have the same radical, little boy?

>>19264938
then you're shit out of luck and should have done RTK, big man.

>>19264658
I'm really slow in grasping grammar (or maybe I get frustrated easily) but even at an hour of yotsuba i struggle a lot.

>>19264946
Grammar gets easy really quickly. Vocab will be the eternal chore

So im doing core 2k/6k and bought Japanese the manga way. Do you guys have any tips on word retention?

>>19264998
read 2 hours daily minimum and reread the same stuff every once in awhile.

>>19264998

You should try to average 15 seconds or less per card. Never spend more than 30 seconds. Anki should take you 30-60 minutes per session. If it takes longer than that, reduce your card count.

Also do a lesson a day or every other day.

What would be the best translation for 暴れまくって? Searching for it gives me lyrics and video games, seems like a shonen type of phrase.

>>19265007
You mean read the grammar book? I'm not far enough into practice that I can read sentences yet without looking up most words.
>>19265012
>You should try to average 15 seconds or less per card
Can you explain why?

>>19265023

Time spent guessing is time spent forgetting what you had in your mind up to that point. As you do Anki you're constantly adding to a stack in your head of what to recall later. The stack is constantly disolving as you'll naturally forget over time. Don't make this worse by taking even more time unnecessarily.

>>19265017
To violently eat at mcdonalds.

>>19265057
I wish it were that simple.
After more research I'm starting to understand it in my head as 'get wild'. People are free to correct me if I'm being a moron.

>>19265097
That's just the definition of 暴れる though
you gotta try harder my man

>>19264821
because you learn japanese with real japanese manga!

あのねこの間僕はコックを吸ってみたすごく美味しかったよ
お前らも吸ってみるほうがいいぞ

あのねstfu

additionally https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcujQwmEcl0#t=203

>>19265162
私のコックも吸ってくれませんか
何円でも払うよ

ねこコックを吸ってるな

>>19265173
えええ
嫌だ! 僕はおじさんのコックを吸うだけよ
お前はおじさんじゃねえぞ

>>19265156
Well I found a post that said adding まくって to a verb stem means doing an action 'like crazy'. 'Act violently like crazy' doesn't exactly have the most elegant ring to it. I was wondering if there was some sort of standard way this was translated.

俺はお前の母をやりまくった

>>19265226
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/timeactions#To_repeat_something_with_reckless_abandon_using
https://kotobank.jp/word/捲る-633835
>translating
But if you must request such a thing at least post the full sentence

>>19265226
撒き散らす

>>19265231
僕のはお母さんもう死にましたですよ

Any good fonts with forcefully 新字体'd glyphs?

>>19264513
The Core lists are based on frequency of words in a particular Japanese newspaper, and the original list was released back when the AIDS crisis was a thing people cared about.

>>19265240
The sentence is just 「いいね。。。暴れまくってやる」, I was struggling to think of a more elegant way to phrase it in my head.

今朝、爺さん達とハイキングをしました。山の天辺にゆっくりと登りながら日本語で色んな事について楽しく喋り込んだ。

>>19263718
AとBの違い
Aの意味
problem solved

>>19261489
Depending on where you live, you may be able to sell blood plasma for some easy money: https://www.donatingplasma.org/donation/find-a-donor-center
Just don't do it too often or you'll wind up with one or more permanent needle scars and look like a junkie

>>19261044
Joke's on you, I'll do it for free

>>19265389
pls dont

>>19265492
That's literally the only kind thing anyone on /jp/ has ever said to me

>>19265514
he just wants your suffering to continue

>>19265522

if everyone kills their self i wont have any more friends in djt to have wobderful everydays with

so dont kill yourself

if not for your sake then mine

>>19265542

お母さんありがとう

Man, if you're weak enough to succumb to suicidal thought, might as well do it.

ジャッジメントですの

>>19265581
wouldnt that have meant that you already did it

It means you're considering unironically.

>>19265594
お姉様のパンツは何色かな

恋色

おはようおにいちゃん

こんびにいく

かってくるものある？

あたらしいいもうと

君の睡眠障害の治療の為の睡眠薬

If you got to the 80th chapter by reading scanlations up to chapter 50 then realizing that they stop there, then doing it very slowly in Japanese from 51 onwards, you should probably go back and read chapters 1 to 50 again. Scanlations really aren't that good. And you'll learn a lot from the extra reading.

>>19263803
>a 12'x12' dry erase board
Anon, that's the size of a shed. I may be illiterate, but at least I know the difference between feet and inches.

救出

>>19265803
アンパンください

How much should I aim to read everyday? Is 50KiB alright?

>>19265892
Wtf is kib? kibbeh?

>>19265892
who cares what you do

>>19264611
These resources are by far the worst:
>duolingo
>NHK Japanese course
>Google translate
>any dictionary that doesn't have the feature of Kanji radical search
>Japanese classes irl

>>19265892
That's less than an hour of reading. Definitely not enough.

>>19265929
01:30 for me, and I was rushing a lot today.

>>19265922

Google Translate app is useful for ripping kanji from pictures though.

>>19265922
be careful here
google translate has the best kanji handwriting input known to mankind
it's faster than radical search if you don't suck
also lots of dictionaries with radical search are still trash

>>19265841
なかった

>>19265847
なかった

>>19265890
あった

>>19265991
nciku is better

>>19265955
Maybe that's normal if you're a slow reader and listen to all voiced lines.

>>19265997
いまのいもうとはポンコツ

もうそろそろいんたいしろよ

>>19265991
if you think google translate's recognition is very good then you never look up uncommon kanji

>>19265991
Or if you know stroke order you can just look up the radical on wikipedia.

>>19264611
RTK
Genki
Imabi
Memrise
WaniKani
SUCKerbi
Tatoeba
AJATT
Maggie Sensei
Lang8
Any kana only game on steam
Namasensei
Duolingo
Lingodeer
Animelon
/r/learnjapanese
Any grammar deck
KanjiTomo(capture 2 text + clipboard inserter is far better)
Japanesepod101

>>19266066
You forgot:
Tae Kim
Pomax
Japanese For Busy People
Japanese the Manga Way

Reading
Listening

Has anyone used Ixrec's guide to Japanese to learn?
I've been looking at online resources, and I know there are many recommended here, but i found this and was wondering if it was a viable resource as well. http://amaterasu.tindabox.net/guide/

Don't make it so fucking obvious you half-wit
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/46o2d7/has_anyone_used_ixrecs_guide_to_japanese_to_learn/

>>19266073
It's bad.

>>19264611
Reading and listening to native materials. You're never going to keep any of it in your head without structure. They're occasionally good as supplementary material but that's about it.