/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Ha, says you. I lasted 3 years before I quit.

>>19128000
>3 years

You won't stop meee

>15 years and only now just on Minna No Nihongo 2
>less than 200 kanji
>only good at listening/pronunciation
Don't fall for the self-study meme. Take a language course and spend some time in Japan.

>>19128415
its not a meme if you actually study though

>>19128438
Fair enough, but I can't help but blame my lack of study efficiency on the fact that it wasn't working until I came to Japan and had external feedback and expectations.

joke's on you i'm learning chinese

Still haven't quit after 9 years.

>>19128512
y

I bought my favorite games in japanese and a japanese ps2. hoping that will fuel my motivation to learn

without the structure of a class, or someone else to practice with at least, autodidactism is hard to manage

Anyone here tried learning another western language first to get their brains "warmed up" for japanese?

>>19129111
filthy american spotted

>>19129559
I'm english actually.

>>19129111
Thats stupid．Any benefit (if any) is outweighed by getting started earlier on Japanese in the first place. Honestly I think the idea that knowing more than one language helping you learn more is overrated unless two are very close, except perhaps when it comes to confidence.

Japanese takes at least 2 full years to finish "washing rice" and actually start properly learning, and a lot of that is to do with Japanese unique stuff like culture context, grammar structure, pronunciation, and listening skills while mastering kana before you even get started on kanji. Wasting time on a western language will probably just dissuade you altogether because your heart wont be into it, unlike Japanese where you can enjoy reading and watching the media in equal measure to your advancement.

>>19129111
I got French from 8yo until 18 at school.
Right now my French is worse than my Japanese, and my Japanese is shit.

I never had English at school or seen the inside of an English textbook.

>>19129718
I love how most of the world speaks some English. It makes me realize the only reason native English speakers don't bother to learn a second, is because the second is always fucking English and you are on easy mode. Other languages are mostly irrelevant unless you move to the country its spoken, except in special cases like English and Japanese. I wouldn't be surprised if the normie obsession with anime and Japanese culture climaxes in Japanese being the most spoken 2nd language in America by 2050.

>>19125916
Haha get outta here I've been on kanji parsers for god knows how long and still only know like 300 maybe less.

>>19129739
Wikipedia says that 40 million Americans know Spanish, 3.4 million know Chinese, 0.91 million know Russian and 0.46 know Japanese. More people know Urdu than Japanese in America as of 2016.

>>19125916
Just finished my vocab. What'cha gonna do, you ビッチ?

>>19125916
i wanna die knowing that i've at least tried and not passed my entire existance shitposting on 4chan

>>19129739
>normie

>>19128415
tfw living in bumfuck nowhere with the nearest decent language school being 4+ hours away.

It going to be a slow ride but I will get there.

>>19132736
Don't make my mistake, go AJATT method BUT ignore the shit about avoiding output until you are almost perfect, that is incredibly stupid advice.

Making mistakes and being a bumbling retard is an important part of language acquisition. AJATT + video conference natives around the time you can express basic conversation topics is the the most effective route if you can't spend time in Japan or with lots of Japanese people. In fact its better than taking it college, I know literally zero Japanese BA holders that were even conversational fresh out of America.

>>19125916
Gee, I wonder what all those people in /djt/ are trying to do...

>>19125916
I don't want to bother myself learning a language which has no future!

>>19136364
That's not you pronouncement to make!?

>>19136395
why not?
I would rather waste my time on 4chan shit-posting then learning a language which is slowly taking its last breath...ffs.

>>19129781
>Wikipedia says that 40 million Americans know Spanish, 3.4 million know Chinese, 0.91 million know Russian and 0.46 know Japanese. More people know Urdu than Japanese in America as of 2016.
That's mostly due to the LatAm massive immigration on the US, but it's not going to get lower on the future either so americans are better off learning spanish for something "useful", specially if they live on big cities.

>>19125916
2 years and going strong

>>19128415
Not surprising if 14 of those years were spent watching anime and exchanging greets.

been trying for five years now

almost there

I spent four years learning it, went to Japan for two weeks and barely used it.

I did it, and so can you! Never give up!

>>19129111
I learned French, yeah. Once watched yuru yuri with french subs and it felt like a schizophrenic attack

>>19144120
That's just what watching Yuru Yuri is like normally

>>19129111
I had to learn English to watch decently subbed anime. Fucking spics don't even know their own language.

>>19140152
Well, if you don't talk to anyone, it's obvious why you wouldn't use it.

So what thread do I go to get something translated into Kanji? I want to cheer up a Jap pitcher who has low self esteem.

>>19128415
>less than two years and preparing to take the N1
>1800 Kanji
>can watch most raw anime with little difficulty
get fucked, don't tell people to waste their lives and money in language classes.

>>19129666
>Japanese takes at least 2 full years to finish "washing rice" and actually start properly learning
This is the most wrong thing I've read all day.

>>19136426
This is such a funny meme. Even if the Japanese birth rate continues to fall at its current pace, the last Japanese person will be born more than 1,000 years from now.

>>19128512
Me2

>>19144491
Especially since you already have at this point enough japanese content to last you a lifetime.

>>19144384
>how can you tell if someone speaks no Japanese?
>don't worry, they will tell you their kanji and N1 status
Anime is baby easy, intentionally so. Chinese people go into the language already knowing all the kanji for the most part and still suck at Japanese. N1 is passable with a completely theoretical understanding of basic grammar and rote memorization of kanji on par with the Japanese English highschool exams, and a little bit of luck on the listening section. You can be N1 and neither speak or understand Japanese effectively outside of textbook examples. Your strategy differs in no way from the way Japanese people learn English and we all know how well that works out for them.

I'm not saying you have to take expensive classes, I am just emphasizing the absolute necessity to interface and output as much as possibly to develop the part of your brain that actually is involved in fucking language acquisition and fluency. Self-study is definitely the better option in an area devoid of at least a native teacher.

2年間後、毎日１時間ぐらい以下だけ勉強していて、もう日本人と疎通出来て、本やゲームもお茶の子さいさいと読める。
完全な流暢はまだまだだけど、EOPじゃなかったら心配わけがなくて、自然の言語習得過程よく知っているから。時間がかかっても問題ない。

>>19128415
>15 years
sounds like you spent maybe 50 hours total over the course of those 15 years

What the fuck, did you fuckers never learn another language?

>>19145585
I got spanish, afrikaans, italian, arabic, icelandic, and german under my belt. Japanese is harder, but its at the same time simplified by all the available resources for it

>>19125916
play vr chat and go to japantown

>>19125916
I eat the impossible for breakfast mein neger

>>19145712
This was supposed to be my third foreign language and I'm starting to think it's impossible to learn Japanese

>>19145443
>Your strategy differs in no way from the way Japanese people learn English and we all know how well that works out for them.

Anon didn't explain his strategy at all beyond the fact that he doesn't take language courses.

>I'm not saying you have to take expensive classes, I am just emphasizing the absolute necessity to interface and output as much as possibly to develop the part of your brain that actually is involved in fucking language acquisition and fluency. Self-study is definitely the better option in an area devoid of at least a native teacher.

Output is important assuming your goal is to speak and write Japanese and not just understand it, but in my experience simply thinking in the language goes a long way. Compared to how much time I've spent reading, listening Japanese and thinking in it, the time spent on speaking with Japanese people (or writing in Japanese) has been minuscule but when I've done that I haven't had much problems expressing myself and being understood.

>>19146397
>Anon didn't explain his strategy at all
Its easy to read him as your typical ANKI grinding kanji = fluency faggots. Who the hell else would take N1 to mean anything of value?
>I haven't had much problems expressing myself and being understood
I can't make assumptions about where you are, and you are correct to a point but I really doubt you are able to have a live conversation with a Japanese person. Yes, if you drown yourself in animu/manga/novels and listing to music and tv it will get your head buzzing the in language, but I am not memeing when I say there is a part of the brain for fluency that requires you to be "in" the waters and not just practicing the motions.

There is a huge level of intuitions, predictions, and subconcious reading of the source of a language that is only able to be trained by doing. I know people living here for 10+ years that are the chattiest in Japanese you could find and sound like natives, but can barely literate. Not because they don't know the writing system, but because their brain is not used to the process of reading Japanese outside of short sentences.

And I know just as many self-study types who are so painfully awkward and unable to communicate even though if you write out what you are fucking saying (usually in kanji, hiragana without context paralyzes them) they can understand. Then when they try to reply in some obscure sengoku jidai turn of phrase the other party has no fucking clue what they are trying to say. This stereotype is usually white western guys.

>>19146685
oh, and the worst part is the second type of person deals with his sense of inadequacy by shutting himself up for a few months to review grammer/kanji drills because he can't imagine anything else being the problem.

>>19145732
>I got spanish, afrikaans, italian, arabic, icelandic, and german under my belt.
No, you don't. Knowing a few words in many languages doesn't mean you know those languages.

>>19147086
>jealousy
Lmao

>>19147309
The general rule of thumb is "Could you discuss complex matters such as politics in said language?" If the answer is no, then you probably only know the language superficially.

>>19146685
>Who the hell else would take N1 to mean anything of value?
My employer, actually

If you are shit in a language it's because you haven't listened and read enough in that language. It's as simple as that. I hope people aren't taking these memeheads seriously who are telling you to produce and end up sounding like a perma gaijin.

>>19147477
>complex matters such as politics
That's an unreasonably high standard for fluency let alone "knowing" a language. Are you even bilingual?

>>19125916
how did you know?

>>19147477
I can't even discuss politics in my native language.

>>19155870
Then you can't even speak your own language. You are at the level of trained gorillas, some parrots or that dog that knew like ten words in german.

>>19156045
I'll try that excuse next time I don't want to talk to someone.

Why would you want to learn the language of a despicable conquered people in decline when you already know the best language in the world?

>>19156785
How do you know I speak German?

>>19156932
I didnt. I was referring to English. The one we are using now. You know, the language used in all high level international business.

>>19156966
Because everyone on /jp/ is a high level international businessman.

>>19125916
Jokes on you nibba I studied for half a year and passed n2
the key is to read a lot (and enjoy it/want to)

Wapanese degenerates depart from here.

>>19157062
Make me.

I've been doing kana this month when not busy, not even close to ready for kanji or even sentences but I consistently get 95 to 100% on the multiple choice for kana and will soon start with stroke order. Do you need to be full poopsock NEET to make meaningful progress? I get to practice around 4 hours a week.

>>19157066
I should also say before anyone asks, I don't yet have a real goal in mind past deciphering random japanese blogs - I don't read or watch anime, I can't even visit Japan due to health problems, and I don't know anyone to practice with because I have no friends.

I just figure trying to get my feet in the water of a difficult language is a better use of my spare time than video games right now.

>>19157066
Try 4 hours a day. You don't need to be NEET but you basically do need to devote all your time to it - that's for learning japanese. Deciphering blogs or anything for that matter can be done with some reading practice and a japanese dictionary. At any rate at least do an hour a day or you're wasting your time.

i learned over 2,200 kanji in 6 months and read a dozen novels (physical) during that period too. if you're obsessed then you can do it. if you aren't dreaming in japanese you aren't trying hard enough

>>19157066
I could read kana long before I could write it constantly. You have to have some reason to commit it to muscle memory like having homework or drills where the focus is not on the kana but the sentence. Even know sometimes I blank on on a rarely used katakana like ヲ but the pressure of taking notes in class really helped my speed and memory.

If you don't have textbook drills you can do, you can just copy any shounen manga dialog that has furigana. This is also good reading practice in general as you will natural pick up fragments of the language intuitively and you can pick something you like.

>>19147477
>>19156045
Wanna know how I know you dont know any other languages?

>>19159223
I had a short, simple conversation with a musician this morning.
I told them that I hadn't learned kanji yet so they mostly got their message across in hiragana. It was still a bit embarrassing that something as simple as "ok! 分かります！" required me to go use machine translation because I've never seen or used 分 before, but understood the rest to be "wakarimosu"
Furigana is a good idea. I have read that the biggest obstacles, the "you're never gonna make it" problems, are sentence structure and vocabulary because Japanese has loaded up kanji with several different meanings that also change with context. When I type out kana I don't know how to read the words separately instead of a massive line of phonetics, because of the lack of spaces, but I assume that's covered very early on in practice.

>>19160330
Still getting my も and ま mixed up I see.
Yeah, I know the time I allotted won't allow meaningful progress. Juggling too many things in life and I'll be working on that so hopefully there's more learning time after the summer.
Just starting small and hopefully I can message that musician back one day without needing to check what they said.
Thank you for the advice.

>>19157062
Do you realize what board you're on?

>>19146685
What do you recommend then?
A more AJATT oriented method?

Native spanish speaker and fluent english speaker here, also took Hebrew classes and memorized (and associated in my brain permanently) its alphabet and some vocabulary.
Already learning Kana, almost finished memorizing it, what are my chances? Am I at an advantage by being a filthy ESL?

>>19159918
Tell us.

>>19163952
The only true advantage there is, is being a NEET.

>>19145517
God fucking bless

I'm gonna do you a favor

1) Rote learn the kana, especially hiragana

2) Rote learn the kyouiku kanji using this memrise course https://www.memrise.com/course/65925/kyouiku-kanji/

Important! Do not, repeat DO NOT, bother with readings. Being able to recognize the kanji is sufficient for now.

3) Learn the JLPT 5, 4 and 3 vocabulary by rote learning on memrise

4) Read Nip kids books, manga and NHK web easy

Guys I just realized that I visited sad panda 12.000 times, and youtube only 7.000 times.
The HECK..

>>19128415
I learned for like 2 years properly and then I only played VNs, watched movies or anime. And I think my japanese is pretty okay.

>>19165144
Is the problem that you're going to youtube too much?

>>19165160
No.. I think I might be a degenerate.. what do I do?

>>19165177
Just stop going to youtube I guess.

>>19165178
Dude I don't think you are taking me serious..

>>19165203
If you think you're spending too much time on youtube then the only thing to do is force yourself to do something else whenever you want to visit youtube. Maybe go to sad panda instead?

fuck learning kanji

>>19165230
穃

>>19164927
でもあまり返事がなかったから心配している、まさか皆に本当に無理の挑戦なのか？
「出来るだけ」に新しい意味付けるね…

>>19125916
Japanese is just a language.
Unless you're retarded, you can learn one or two, if you're serious about it.

>>19129111
English.

>>19164982
Learning kanji before vocab seems dumb.
Just learn the vocab and the kanji will naturally stick with you anyway
You even get one reading for free this way..

>>19166791
Learning Kanji really helped me pick up vocabulary after I had a first few hundreds covered.

How does this look?, about 15 days in
I feel like i need to start doing more grammar now.

>>19171246
forgot pic

>>19171145
I learn them more or less simultaneously. Vocab is essential, but knowing a how to write a Kanji dramatically increases my reading speed as well.

ORE WA... MAKENAI!!!

>>19171399
いやもう負けたから諦めろ

>>19165637
That's the thing, you need to be serious about it and invest real effort. From my experience, it's not like that with most other languages. I speak 4 languages fluently and can communicate reasonably in other 2 and it seems that all that was necessary was cramming some grammar, verb conjugation and common vocabulary and the rest came from exposure.
I feel like Japanese requires a more methodical approach.

>>19125916
I just finished reading a novel in Japanese for the very first time. About 250 pages. I suspect I already read way more than that in VNs alone but still, finishing a book for the first time is still an exciting accomplishment. Even if I read it on my computer screen.

I just wanted to share that with you guys. I'd do it in /djt/ but I haven't visited it in ages and don't intend to anytime soon, that place is ass and I don't think I'd have accomplished anything if I was still there.

I just dropped "basic japanese" in my resume because I know kana (and exclusively that) just to spice that crapload up, and that made employers EXTREMELY interested. There ain't even any japanese people in my fucking country, it was surreal

>>19173580
I've done something similar (though I'd argue that my Japanese literacy goes a bit beyond basic) and that got employers super interested in me too. I'm an Engineering and maths student, so hopefully my degree and Japanese literacy can land me a job in the holy land. That would be cool.

>>19173580
I studied japanese for two years in college and after some time I decided to remove it from my CV because I felt shame about it. Then years later I also removed my degrees for similar reasons.
I guess it's all a matter of confidence.

I downloaded the anki app on my tablet because the amount of flashcards is getting out of hand and downloaded the core set flashcards but am I just too stupid to use it or is it audio files only? My reading is much better than my listening, is there any way to switch the type of flashcard that'll be used?

>>19125916
I've been going over half my life at this point. My ability to learn vocabulary is terrible and I know only about 5000 words despite years of anki every day. My mature accuracy has been lower than 60% and I end up with many cards leeched per day. My will to do anything but a few minutes of anki per day is non-existent and I rapidly want to die if I force myself. Every time I even slightly increase my workload I get completely overwhelmed after a few months at most. I am never going to achieve fluency. I'm shit at everything I ever attempt. My life was a mistake.

>>19176766
Bro don't say that man. Just think of him whenever you want to give up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE
You may never become as fluent as you wish to, but you already know a lot and worked hard for it. Keep going! I know you can do it.

>>19176766
Posts like this make me feel better about being a lazy piece of shit who has only managed 10k words after 3 years.

>>19176766
Well fuck, if you've been going at it in a way and it doesnt work, try something else for fuck sake.

>>19177293
I've tried everything you can imagine. My ability to learn is just extremely poor and always has been. I wish I knew why.

>>19176766

>>19125916
>tfw 1 year in and fucking shit
>slowly but steadily working my way through VNs
My reading speed is atrocious but it works decently well, recently managed to read my first VN without the text hooker and looking up every second Kanji.
Turns out it helps to play with sound since you don't have to play the puzzle game of finding the right radicals in the dictionary.

Why bother spending years and tens of thousands of hours learning a language when machine translations will actually be good by the end of the next decade?

>>19179111
Any translation is inherently lossy. Japanese to English is really bad, hence why TL notes used to be a thing.

>>19179111
MTL is based entirely on AI progression, and honestly by the time we have an AI capable of doing better than human level translation work, nobody is going to want to play or watch anything Japanese anyway.

Imagine sandbox games with complete freedom because every other character in the game is played by an AI actor who will respond intelligently to anything you say. That's the kind of shit that's feasible when you've got consumer level AI running about, and it'll effectively make all current media obsolete.

>>19179169 is also right, but it's pretty hard for monolinguals or even some ESLs to understand because they've never encountered such a wide gulf between languages. MTL will never be good, because the fundamental concept of translation will never be good. You're better off putting all your hopes in a magic pill that just shoves 18 years of Japanese schooling into your brain.

2 years and counting.
止められない︎

9 years and still going strong.

>2 years and I'm literally in Japland right now
ahahahaha, still don't know what I'm doing with my life though

>>19196844
Are you living the life you always dreamed of, Anon?

Yea I'm only a couple weeks in but I'm pretty much doing RTK and 2 hours of listening a day which is making it difficult to stay motivated, particularly after I read that RTK is pointless if you don't care about writing (which I don't). I'm 450 Kanji in and I don't know if I want to quit RTK and start reading or keep going just to get it over with and never look back.

>>19173580
Wait you can just randomly drop the fact you learned Japanese on a CV and even if it's some working class shit job, it might make an employer double take?

>>19199215
On my extremely anecdotal evidence, yes.
I guess it makes they think you're a person that puts energy into hobbies and learning things? I have no idea.

>>19198596
>and 2 hours of listening a day which is making it difficult to stay motivated
if you have watched enough anime that you can make out the sounds of japanese, but you don't know enough actual japanese to understand anything that is being said, you are taking a placebo, stop listening to まあちゃん and think about what krashen has told you: comprehensible input. go fucking consume something comprehensible.

>>19144384
>1800 Kanji
>can watch most raw anime with little difficulty
Guess how I know you are full of shit /v/ poster.

>>19202823
what does kanji have to do with watching moe sol without subs

>>19125916
Two months?
Buddy come on be realistic here
i downloaded a dozen different materials all recommended by weebs and jap aficionados and started writing shit down watching you tube
speaking it with horrible embarrassing results
about two weeks in i gave up.

Some people might actually be gifted in learning it or be masochistic enough to even bother.
i wasn't either of those i fell into the category of tried and failed then gave up.

>>19202929
Because no Japanese learner in the modern age learns speaking and listening first. If he can only read 1800 Kanji chances are his vocabulary encompasses only those mere 1800 Kanji which is not enough to understand things beyond the most basic things.

>>19202968
>gifted
You are just retarded. Why don't you use an approach that is proven to work? Think about language acquisition like the sciences, people far smarter than you have already figured out the optimal way to do things, you don't need to reinvent anything. The problem with you and people like you is that you think the language acquisition process is intuitively understood and applicable. Basically, you are retarded.

>>19202997
I did i tried classes immersion listening to tapes while i slept and when i was away from my computer and not in a class i spent actual money on "proven methods" i tried the self taught meme methods i actually tried.
The result i could barely speak a few words
and as for reading or writing well that never amounted to much of anything.
If it was so easy everyone who wanted to speak it would've but it's not it's retards like yourself who spout off about how i'm doing it wrong because i didn't try X method or buy X scam artists book to success or whatever other retarded shit you shills spew.

>>19203009
>classes
Every Japanese learner worth their salt agrees that classes are useless or at the very most a mere supplement to your real Japanese study at home.

>listening to tapes while i slept
Sleep learning is bullshit pseudoscience.

>i spent actual money on "proven methods"
No, you got scammed. All proven methods are entirely free of charge. You stated that you started writing things down watching Youtube videos, since when is that a proven method?

>i could barely speak a few words
Your entire focus is wrong. Guess how I know you are a shitty EOP? Before you can speak you need to have a good amount of language input which you clearly neglected.

It is easy, it just takes a long time of consistent effort which most people are not capable or not willing to muster up. Or they don't know how to learn Japanese and do something that feels right. Your writing style makes me think you are retarded anyway so maybe that's why you failed. Being easily frustrated isn't exactly an indicator for successful endeavours either.

The trick is learning Japanese to use it for franchises you enjoy. That way you'll be able to practice every day. Never give up!

>>19203009
>buy shit you shills spew.

this thread is fundamentally against spending money to learn.

Also, I seriously hope you are under the age of 18 (underage ban) as your usage of the English language is pitiable. Your problem might actually be that you are just too immature and inexperienced with learning and with life in general.

The answer to the reason why you are failing is yourself. Look into a mirror and think about it. That is where you will find the answer to your failure. You are responsible for your lack of success, not this thread or whatever other excuses you have been making for yourself.

Read the guide. Define your goal and work towards it every day. If you don't, then you can thank yourself for failing to learn Japanese despite all the time and infinite resources available to you. If your strategy has not been working, try something else.

You are what you do. You will be fluent in Japanese (or whatever your goal is) if you do what it takes to get there.

>>19203350
>this thread
forgot this isn't /djt/

>>19165298
>no known meaning
>no compound words

>>19176766
Well you obviously learned English, so you can do it.

Back in the highschool, I started play VN everyday, it continues for about 5 years until I go into college.
At that time span, initially I used AGTH to hooks game text and using Atlas to auto-translate it. I also install Wakan for vocabulary.
At the same time I learn to read hiragana, katakana, and kanji, also learn about Japanese from Tae Kim tutorial.
After about 3 years I dropped the auto-translate entirely and only use AGTH with Mecab when play VN. From time to time I still found unfamiliar kanji, but the amount of it are getting smaller and smaller.
After 5 years I dropped AGTH and Mecab because practically I can play VN without much trouble.
After all of that I passed N1 back in 2014.
Feels really good, especially if that is the only thing you really good at.
The point is you really need a strong motivation to learn Japanese. In my case my desire to play Japanese VN is enough to keep me motivated.

>>19162809
AJATT if you are divorced from native instructors and can't study in Japan for sure. But with supplemental output and live conversation practice anyway you can get it, even if you have to use videochat and pay for it.

>>19196844
>that image
I think this was the catalyst where something in me knew it would be my future
https://youtu.be/eI_el2XhI8s

>>19203009
>The result i could barely speak a few words
You're not supposed to learn to speak that early in the process you moron.

>>19203572
fucking inspiring.

>>19203009
You sound like those sacks of meat who buy stupid products and fall for scams because they're too lazy and stupid to do things properly. Why not just use some free online basic grammar book (like Tae Kim) and download a free vocab deck for Anki?

>>19203572
>The point is you really need a strong motivation to learn Japanese.
This. I started with RTK in 2014 (Anki + more focused reading in 2015). I've spent 1700 hours only on Anki reps so far. Add some three hundred hours diving through dictionaries (jisho.org is great) and manually adding new cards, and an unknown amount of hours reading actual material (started with doujinshi and nukige -> shonen manga -> currently reading abridged 水滸伝), and you'll get an idea. Funny part is I still feel like I'm bumbling around somewhere in intermediate, and don't get me started on production.

If you're aiming to get "good", it'll take many years of trials. Not sure how many times I've forced myself through the last 100 cards in a drunken stupor at 4 am while wishing it would all just end. Dekinai-chan is always waiting and my deck has become a monster.

I've read through Human Japanese. Am I gonna make it?

>>19203572
Good shit man.

>>19128516
It's 10x easier

>>19205321
You Can (Not) Learn Japanese

I suppose this is as good a place as any to seek help. I'm looking to get "beautiful eyes as deep as the ocean" transliterated from English to kanji, anyone willing to help a brother out? Google gave me this.
海洋深美しい目
Is it accurate? By that i mean, does it have the same intent?

>>19211554
No, it's actually flat out wrong.
Try わたしはゲイ。

>>19213841
Go back to djt 憂鬱症 san.

>>19213890
>鬱
What the fuck is that.
I'm going to have to increase text size for studying this language because certain kanji just look like a rough pencil scribble at default.

>>19214010
The only reason you think that is because you don't know Japanese.
It is in fact perfectly readable.

>>19214051
>you don't know Japanese.
This, coming from someone who is posting some hundred dollar kanji compound in the middle of some terse English in an attempt to be insulting, is why these threads are cancer.

More like they don't know this difficult kanji.

>>19214215
>hundred dollar kanji compound
>difficult kanji
You don't know Japanese. It's not the amount of strokes that makes a Kanji difficult dumbass.

>>19214215
>difficult kanji
憂鬱 is trivial, dude. Nothing else looks like it, the funny thing is that hard kanjis are actually the compounds that look almost identical save for an extra stroke.

>>19214220
Care to stoop down to the level of those who don't know Japanese and explain what makes a kanji difficult with some examples?

>>19214220
Actually never mind, a poster with less peptic bile than yourself already has.

>>19214249
I was typing out a response to help you out, but you're such a little bitch that I straight up deleted it. You'll work it out in a few months anyway, but you'll probably quit long before then if you're this salty.

I'm not even that guy, but the hubris of someone asking for help and then crying is just the most disgusting shit.

>>19214261
You sound like my mom who when angry would insist she was just about to do something nice for you. I'm calling bullshit.

>>19162809
RATTATA

I won a scholarship and now live in Japan all expenses paid because I learned Japanese. If a shitskin from the poorest country on earth can do it then you can too Anon.

Don't give up.

>>19215455
i'm 26 and never went to college lol i'll NEVER get to live in japan

>>19215455
Nice anon, I got a scholarship too. What program are you on?

>>19215455
MEXT?

Lurker that stumbled on this thread. I've got a sort of self-study curriculum that is helping me learn about 100-300 japanese kanji compounds a day and RETAINING them. I am a shut in loser that spends about 6 hours a day studying so take it however you'd like.

The long story short is I make a mnemonic for every kana sound revolving around a particular fictional character. For instance: 上智[じょうち]
To remember it, I pictured Dio from JoJo's bizaare adventure sprawled above on the ceiling, waiting to ambush whoever from above. Because he's Dio, he can't help but share his "supreme wisdom". Also he's eating cheese. I know its silly, but 10-70 new compounds an hour that gets retained is no joke.

>>19214249
>>19214261

Wow you losers are absolutely insufferable. False superiority over believing you've managed to fool those around you into believing you're simply withholding deep insight out of spite to hide the fact that you're no better than those you want to impress? You're not fooling anyone. Everyone can see your insecurities bright as day.

>>19214237
The classic examples are:
問, 間, 唾, 睡, 牲, 性, 券, 巻

You get the idea. I've already gone through all 2200 kanji from RTK 1. Working through RTK2 right now

>>19221373

Forgot to add that because i've gone through all 2200 kanji, those examples I listed very differentiated to my eyes. I don't find myself confusing them with each other at all. Only issues I deal with is when I forget what a specific kanji means.

>>19221373
I like how you call someone "insufferable" and then give them advice. Maybe if you spent some of your autistic cram time learning basic reading comprehension, you'd be doing a little better.

Come back in 2 months, I always get a kick out of the guys who are a month in and don't realise they'll be doing 2000 reps daily for the next year.

>>19221410

As I said before, withholding advice out of spite by itself is just petty. Doing it hoping everyone sees you as some intellectual powerhouse that has reached the level of enlightenment no mortal can hope to achieve through asking questions is just cringe. I can give advice because i'm not you. Seriously I'm not sure how you took what I said in any other way then "clean up your act".

And you get a "kick" out of watching people fail what you couldn't do? Misery loves company huh? Seriously, I get learning something like a language can be frustrating when it feels like a chore, but no everyone is as weak-willed as you. Fine a better coping mechanism other than projecting your failures onto others. Take a break and do something that made you even want to get started in the first place...

... unless of course you never intended to learn in the first place.

Protip: Inb4troll hurr: This kind of mentality is common. Very very common.

>>19221669
Congrats man. I don't know if being an annoying piece of shit just comes naturally to you or something, but man, you're pretty good at it.

Maybe one day you'll grow up and stop getting your kicks out of taking the "moral highground" by spoonfeeding obnoxious retards, but that might involve you doing 2 seconds of introspection and realising that you're not a pious, holy being, you're being just as petty as the rest of us lowly mortals.

It'd be nice if you could stick to your autistic schedule of fucking Jojo memes, but I really just don't think you've got the stuff for it. It's a very common cycle, idiots like yourself bite off way more than you can actually chew, and then come here to "brag" about it when you're still in the starting gate.

>>19221373
If you've been at it for awhile you should in theory have a vocabulary of several thousand words. Why in the world would you need mnemonics for every single one of them? The meaning and reading of 上智, for instance, are immediately obvious.

>>19221775

>all 2200 kanji studied and retained
>starting out
...k...
As for the rest of whatever that is... lolwut? Explain.

>>19222047
That's the idea. And I don't have characters for every kanji, just most hiragana. So about 42-45 different mnemonics. For a complete beginner, its amazing how fast you can retain readings by mixing and matching a handful of mnemonics. Even better if you cluster the kanji together like in RTK2. At least that's what it feels like to me right now.

>>19222047
>meaning
>immediately obvious
there are thousands of japanese words where the "obvious" meaning is just wrong because of some stupid language artifact

Are there any tricks to learning vocab like the mnemonics for kanji?

>>19172689
Late reply but good job anon.

>>19125916
It's been a little bit more than three years since I took my first Japanese class in university, I'm currently living/working in Japan, have N3 level and will take N2 in two weeks, going at my pace while constantly speaking Japanese and nothing else with my (japanese) friends. In my experience it's possible but some people have it easier (my first language is French and I studied English for 10 years, Spanish for 3 years and German too but just a little, basically if you've studied foreign languages during your childhood/teens, from the start you're already above people who have never opened a language book before). I'm currently using Nihongo Sou Matome (grammar, kanji, reading and vocab) to study pre-exam.

I hear alot about people struggling with Japanese grammar structure, are they referring to the SOV vs SVO grammar?

tfw just started last week, can already read hiragana mangas, write most hiraganas, good pronounciation
feels good bros im not giving up