/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>19149457
damn, I should do this

氏ね

The true final boss of Japanese are the VNs that force you to name your character.

>>19149587
田中崇

Is there an anki deck for 4th edition RTK? Every deck i've come across skip words and delete stuff and doesn't follow the order 100%.

last time on djt we learned that manga is in fact reading objectively https://www.strawpoll.me/15808505/r

we saw some minor blowouts a whole lot of reddit posts and even more terrible nihongo

what will we find in this latest installment? well it all depends on you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GB9CGFaUmU

When typing on mobile is there a particular keyboard layout you use?

>phoneposting
Promptly leave this thread.

>>19149587
>games which put 田 under た and 姫 under ひ

If I don't really like anime or japanese media that much, what method would you guys recommend?

>>19149790
asphyxiation

>>19149790
Another language.

>>19149790
Suck it up and do it anyway, you going to need a LOT of input to make progress, you can just learn a language from pure studying.

>>19149686
this, if you use a phone just fuck off

How the FUCK do I study in the morning? I'm groggy as shit and my memory is garbage.

>>19150108
Get a nice cup of tea when you study.

>>19150108
Go outside and run around your house once or twice and then do your reps

>>19149790
Why are you learning japanese then
Don't say "because I want to move to japan" or something like that because you wouldn't come to /jp/ if you did, unless you're a retarded newfag who doesn't actually know why /jp/ was created

>>19150191
Based oldfag dropping truthbombs.

I think I'm gonna make it guys

I think he's gonna make it guys

>>19150221
お前は出来ない

>that moment of bliss when you finish your piled up anki reviews

>>19150228
お前にはできない

I learn Japanese because I have absolutely nothing better to do.

I don't even learn Japanese, I just shitpost in the thead.

im not even gay i just say it 24.7

https://youtu.be/8wZZ6rkMDeE?t=21
>if you're just learning vocab and sentences off of a random deck you downloaded off the internet it's going to be completely disconnected from the rest of your knowledge and it's not going to lead to actual gains. It's not gonna actually help you understand more Japanese media.
Retards doing the core2k deck, take notes from someone actually fluent.

you gotta put fluent in quotes or people might get the wrong idea

>>19150460
If you're just learning meanings from a random book you downloaded off the internet it's going to be completely disconnected from the rest of your knowledge and it's not going to lead to actual gains. It's not gonna actually help you understand more Japanese media.

>>19150482
but the whole point is that words from a book or article or manga you've added to anki have more context/meaning compared to random words in a random premade deck you've downloaded...

>>19150487
Obviously talking about RTK

>>19150460

>>19150487
yeah and well hate to break it to you but pulling bits of random information from various places off the internet such as a certain balding jug pissing boys youtube channel is also not the path to building a foundation or any sort of proficiency in anything in any discipline

checkmate

かろりーめいとたべたい

is it possible for ankiconnect and yomichan to copy the core deck template? I want to keep continuity in the cards and I like the black background

>>19150501
>jug pissing
prove it

Does anyone here have experience taking a Japanese class? Is it as slow as they say?

>>19150639
Probably, but you wouldn't have the sentence field from just a key press.

>>19150667
Took a semester in Uni for the language requirement. We got to the end of chapter 3 in Genki.

>>19150667
I took a class in a language school near my neighbourhood for one day just to try it out
It was already going for almost one year and a half yet they still didn't know how to say 数学 or conjugate verbs in the past

>>19150659
in the back on the left in every vid

>>19150667
Middle school: significant portion of the class unable to read kana after 1.5 years
High school: 3 years on Tae Kim, majority of kids could pass N2 by the end which is slow as fuck but kind of a feat nonetheless
*College: forced production and cringey roleplaying every day, dropped after one semester
*Private tutor: was useful for Q&A but not worth the price

*native teacher

forced production lmao thats what you do in learning a language the right way in the beginning!!

the teacher forces you to produce

fuckin noobs

> 女の子
> 女子
漢語 were a mistake.

>>19150959
Just memorize it all.

>>19150974
This worked for me

minna genki?

>>19150959
おんなのこたべたいのか

このいやしんぼめ

>>19150679
>>19150639
It was easier than i thought since you can select the template in the yomichan options. Now im just having trouble with the values and getting the kana to show up instead of the kanji again

>>19149547
I need your help fellow anons. I currently live and work in Japan. I've been living here for about 6 months and I've picked up the language quite well. However recently my Japanese Co-worker said to me the way I talk is extremely cute. It's pretty childish. How do I make more complex sentences?

>>19151185
Stop watching anime

>>19151185
Just watch 北斗の拳 and copy the way they talk.

how do I learn these phrases? <spoiler>how is this translated to "how can you say that?"</spoiler>

>>19151221
i mean how do I learn these phrases? how is this translated to "how can you say that?"

>やってやる
Do the doing?

>>19151227
なんて such
こと thing
言うんだ say
such things you say
>>19151239
やる has two different meanings, in your sentence the first one is "do" and the second "give to an inferior", so basically やってやる means doing something to an inferior

how much karma do I get for this?

>>19151257
seventeen

Remember an episode of terrace house a day keeps the dekinai away!

>五木
>二五
>一二三
What was the reason for naming people after fucking numbers?

>>19151285
less strokes

>May
>April
>Julius
What was the reason for naming people after fucking months?

>>19151301
months were named after people

>>19151301
less thoughts

>>19151257
The second やる in やってやる could also mean that the speaker will do something he knows that someone else probably won't like. (e.g. いじめてやる、殺してやる、…)

>>19151239
マウンテンデュー
やるのをやる

>>19151219
Ok, I'll give that a go

れいぼうかける

あつい

>>19151532
高いから我慢して

>>19151543
じっさいには

あつくはないんだよ

とにかくしつどがすごい

からだべったべった

おふろー

>>19149790
Leaving this thread and not learning Japanese.

>>19149547
>All images and discussion should pertain to light and visual novels, figures and other otaku paraphernalia, Touhou Project, Vocaloid, doujin works and music, and diverse niche Japanese interests (kigurumi, idols, mahjong, tea).
illegal thread

>>19151185
>my Japanese Co-worker said to me the way I talk is extremely cute.
Why change it?

>>19151653
who the fuck cares

>>19151655
notice that the co-worker didn't even bother calling his japanese 上手, he just went straight for the cute
that means there's something very wrong here

>>19151656
wheredoyouthinkweare.jpg

女子のまんこ食べたい

人食いは駄目です

かわいいアニメ女子とエッチしたい

ペドは駄目です

でも私もかわいいアニメ女子です

レズは駄目です

あ、でも、かわいいアニメ男の女子です

俺の目の前には
屍になった堂島組長の姿があった

合法的に女を殴りたいです

警察官になったら女を殴れますか

＞バイク
＞単車

why do nips insist on destroying their own language?

>>19151917
Stealing words from other people is the correct way to run a language.
t. English.

From now on I'll post this picture everytime someone complains about loanwords in Japanese

>>19151928
We all hate the English language, you dip.
see >>19151924

Have any of you studied In Japan for College? I want to go to school at the ripe age of 26 and Japanese is the only thing that interests me.

>>19152015
How about you save yourself the money and buy some icecream or something instead bro

>>19152015
sounds like a terrible life choice to me

>>19152053
Why is that?

>>19152071
you should just ask yourself if you really want to invest huge amounts of time and money into something that will most likely not get you anywhere

>>19152090
Is there no job prospects in Japan after you graduate?

>>19152099
First ask yourself this simple question: who would be more likely to be hired in japan?
A: A japanese person with a degree in something actually useful
B: some gaijin neckbeard who's got N5 and a degree in japanese, something option A and literally 99% of japan already knows perfectly

>>19152071
Unless you have a metric fuckton of disposable income and time, there are 0 benefits other than your own satisfaction. You'll spend money and waste years of your life to accomplish something that you can do in your bedroom for free. Your employment opportunities won't change at all unless you plan on being an ALT in Japan and even then you should do a degree that gives you prospects after you come back home.
>>19152099
>hiring a foreigner with a degree in Japanese as opposed to a Japanese with a life in Japanese

>>19152136
>>19152137
Welp, guess I'll keep working retail.

>>19152150
You can work as an ALT if you get any Uni degree. Maybe a cheap degree from a community college would work? There is no room for upward movement in that field though, so if you end up not liking it you're fucked.

>>19152160
I thought you need a bachelor's degree (4 years) to do that. I can't commit going to school to get a degree I have no interest in.

>>19152172
Oh, right, you don't get an bachelor degree from CC. Sorry, not from the US so my knowledge is hazy on these things.
>I can't commit going to school to get a degree I have no interest in.
Millions of people do this every year. I understand if it's money related though.

>>19152176
Money and time yeah.

>>19152160
>end up not liking it
Work in a school doing nothing for less than 8 hours with classes being canceled all the time sounds pretty good.

>>19150460

Most common 2000-6000 words isn't random though. I will say doing Anki before looking at Grammar at all is kind of draining.

I already have Daijirin but there is a lot of stuff missing in that one. Any suggestions on a more complete monolingual dictionary?

>>19152402
if "a lot of stuff" is missing from daijirin the problem is almost certainly your dictionary program

>>19152172
My biggest regret is never going to college. Now I'm too old and broke to ever bother with it and can't live in Japan. Oh well, at least learning the language is worth it for their media.

Some guy sent me a pull request that made clipboard inserter compatible with chrome, so i published it on the store, here it is: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/clipboard-inserter/deahejllghicakhplliloeheabddjajm
You guys better be grateful, i had to spend five bucks on that.

Is comp sci a good degree for overseas?

>>19151664
She did say "上手上手"。
But when I spoke more she then said " anon you speak Japanese cute すごいかわいいめちゃかわいい！"
I've been working with her for 5 months and I get along well with her.

Also how do I imporve my listening?

What do I do now?
Ive done hira and katakana, went through tae kim multiple times, did ~2000 Anki and started some random kanji deck for now.
Is it reading? What do I read? Is there anything I need to look out for? Should I mine just everything I can find? What about listening? News? Anime? I'm so fucking overwhelmed right now. I've got this distinct fear of failing. I don't know what the hell I'm gonna fail, I just have that anxious feeling in my chest, like I won't make it. I need some help anons.

>>19152656
watch 10000 hours of anime

>>19152542
It's either English teacher (not for ESL) or CS.

That's pretty much the most common jobs I hear for expats.

>>19152656
Mine i+1 sentences.

>>19152670
*10000 hours of RAW SOL anime.

>>19152688
i+1? So basically just important everyday
often-used sentences?
>>19152693
Should I watch it completly raw or with hiragana/romaji/japanese subs?

>>19152656
>What do I read?
Porn.

>>19152718
So read and mine untranslated doujins? That might actually be a good next step.

>>19152656
It's going to be a challenge for awhile, but read a lot of stuff you find interesting and mine really basic sentences that you can mostly understand save for a single word or particle. Try to have a goal of finding 10+ new sentences to mine and drill every day. Watch Japanese media without subs - if you want to git gud you're going to have to watch a lot, but only watch as much as you can stomach without getting burnt out. Some people watch hours and hours every day, others just a couple episodes. It's on you.

>>19152715
Completely raw, no subs of any kind. You probably wont understand shit, but that's okay. Just watch like you normally do and focus on trying to recognize words rather than understanding.

There will be a lot you wont understand. It'll be frustrating and you'll be inclined to try and and try again until you understand 100%. Don't do that, it will be a demotivating grind. Just accept not being able to understand stuff. You can always come back when you're better.

As for i+1. It basically means a sentence you understand (i), but you learned something new (+1). For example a a sentence you understood but had a new word (or a word you already knew, but a different meaning) or grammar pattern, ect...

As for the source. Do something you enjoy. If you enjoy reading japanese news, read it. If you don't, then don't. It's that simple.

Do this daily for about 3-5 years.

>>19152735
>>19152758
I see. I'll start immediately then. One last question though, could you give me an example of a i+1 sentence? I assume its something like "watashi wa *insert random moon* desu. So I mine that and try to understand the random moon in between?

>watched 4 hours of raws yesterday and understood none of it
Hell.

>>19152758
ajatt cultist please leave

Is it a good or bad idea to start listening practice with children's shows?

Also, where can I watch anime unsubbed?

I understand maybe 50% of hanahira from listening. Am I going to make it?

>>19152785
Actually if you did AJATT you would only have to do the raw watching for 6-12 months before you start to understand enough that watching raws starts being fun.

>>19152804
understanding fun doesn't mean anything

since so many people ask for it here's a guide on how to watch anime unsubbed for you guys
step 1: download mpc-hc
step 2: select subbed anime (if you don't have any then just give up here and kill yourself or something lol)
step 2: open it with mpc-hc
step 3: right click on anime after you open it with mpc-hc
step 4: disable subtitles
step 5: enjoy unsubbed authentic japanimation

please upvote this so everyone can see it in the frontpage, thanks

Don't listen to these shitposters, you should watch English subbed anime for 10000 hours. Pay attention to the Japanese and only read the subs when you don't understand something

>>19152828
>download mpc-hc
mpv*

>>19152830
Most people will just use the subs as a crutch you dumb fuck.

>>19152837
kindly fuck off with your inferior software linuxfag

>>19152849
mpv is better than mpc-hc and runs like a windows program on windows

>>19152855
t. linuxfag

>>19152846
I have done 10000 hours of English subbed anime and can say it does work

>>19152863
i run windows

>>19152849
>>19152863
You don't know Japanese.

>>19152868
oh okay so you literally just voluntarily choose to use inferior software I understand now

>>19152876
but it's better

>>19152877
if that's what you want to believe that's fine

>>19152866
10,000 hours of subs is a waste when you can can watch 1,000 hours of raws to get the same effect.

>>19152886
lower cpu usage
built in high quality filtering (and good subtitle rendering when necessary)
supports low latency output methods
>>>doesn't use the fucking garbaeg that is directshow<<<

>>19152783
As far as I understand thats basically it.
Or for example 私はゲイって and you dont understand the って part so you mine it to learn that part.

>sentence mining
No one unironically does this, right?

>>19152909
I will never in the fuck understand how this retarded general can recommend contextless rote memorization of random words from core2k, but suddenly sentence mining is some horrible practice.

>>19152923
Cool, you've realized that this place thinks your method is retarded. Now get out.

>>19152923
The main point of vocab memorization is to recognize kanji, senpai.

So do I mine sentences now or do I just stick with word mining from doujins mangas and so on? It seems theres different opinions here.

>>19152945
Neither, just read VNs and then start mining after you pass the intermediate stage and don't need to take advice from the eternal beginners here.

Don't mine sentences, they depend on surrounding context so taking them out of context is fucking retarded.

>>19152926
>>19152932
>>19152950
Confirmed for not knowing what sentence mining is.

Also don't mine scenes or conversations, they take way too fucking long to rep.

>>19152956
You don't know Japanese.

>>19152956
Just fucking read more faggot.

Is there anything I can do besides 4 hours of anime and 4 hours of reading? No amphetamines please.

>>19152981
4 hours of anime and 8 hours of reading

12 hours of anime and 12 hours of reading.

1) Read native material
2) (optional) Mine new words
3) ???
4) Learn Japanese

>>19152981
Nope, AJATT is all you need.

Yo /djt/ (or /ojt/)
Got any recommendations for stuff to read? Cant find anything interesting at the moment.

>>19153009
Unko-chan

>>19153009
boku no pico

>>19153009
?

>>19152990
they're not doing ajatt though

>>19153033
Khatz himself said AJATT was just massive daily immersion/input.

>>19153047
passive immersion is not input

>>19152463
it even works in opera. Thank you!

What is input?

>>19153021
90% of that aint even doujin
and another 60% isnt even moon
Although I'm still working through it, so thanks for the recommendation.

>>19153047
That doesn't mean doing massive input is AJATT. Doing AJATT includes everything else AJATT tells you to do.

input is this

>>19153058
But passive is just supplementary. The meat is in as much active immersion as possible.
>>19153069
Not according to Khatz.

>>19153069
though the literal meaning is exactly what that anon said
All japanese, all the time. Which means doing something japanese every waking moment.

>>19153078
All Japanese All The Time doesn't mean all japanese all the time.

>>19153077
khatz is a literal scammer, if he says something your instinct should be to believe the exact opposite
>>19153078
are you familiar with the concept of a "name"

What exactly is the AJATT (“All Japanese All The Time”) method? That question doesn’t have a short — or permanent — answer. Nor, in my opinion, should it. Why? Because it’s always evolving, and people always need clarification.

>>19153092
Good for him for making money off of retards.

>>19153105
It's literally in the name of the method.

>>19153120
http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/get-nutshell/
>What exactly is the AJATT (“All Japanese All The Time”) method? That question doesn’t have a short — or permanent — answer. Nor, in my opinion, should it. Why? Because it’s always evolving, and people always need clarification.

>>19153068
My picture was taken with the language filter on. You can even filter out the misc, non-h and image set category if you like. But I wouldn't risk missing any new likeable artist being upload to either of these categories.

>>19152463
Thanks man. Finally I can ditch that shitty browser for all purposes save for debugging.

>>19152463
>https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/clipboard-inserter/deahejllghicakhplliloeheabddjajm
Can someone just explain how this works and how its useful

>>19153259
I believe it's all explained in the guide. In short, it autopastes text ripped from a VN into a page in your browser so you can yomi over it.

>>19153092
>khatz is a literal scammer, if he says something your instinct should be to believe the exact opposite
Non sequitur. He's a scumbag but that doesn't automatically mean everything he says is opposite reality. This idiotic gut reaction is why people should stop using the term AJATT, it's not like anything he ever wrote is worth reading. But the general concept of mass input that people associate with the term is good, and AJATT was never a rigorous and detailed program in the first place so it happens to be essentially synonymous.

If you choose to disregard every concept that any scammer or scumbag has ever endorsed, you're going to be left with nothing.

>>19153289
not an argument

>>19153259
It used to be in the guide, but i can't find it now. It's used with a text hooker when reading visual novels. The hooker copies every line, and then this addon pastes them into the page so that you can use yomichan for quick lookups and anki card mining.

>>19152784
This is a waste of time and you got memed on

>>19153292
yeah that's what i said thanks for summarizing

>>19153320
Too many fluent people have done this method and claimed that it works. Matt, Brit vs Japan, other random AJATTers making vlogs on youtube, etc. They're more trustworthy than you guys.

>>19153327
>vlogs
>trustworthy

>>19153327
Not him but if you understood literally nothing you wasted your time. Even the e-celeb essentially says you learn from comprehensible input. If NOTHING was comprehensible, you gained nothing. Pick anime with simpler dialogue.

>>19153348
They say that when you understand essentially nothing, in order to get to "comprehensible input" you have to watch a lot of content. That's what I'm doing. They all started out this way.

>>19153353
That's retarded. Just learn some vocabulary first and then you can start trying to watch things raw.

>>19153353
I mean thats what said for most of things.
"Just read."
"Just watch."
"Just draw all the time"
"Just play your guitar all the time."
I dont know if those people are memeing or giving honest advice at this point, especially on 4chan.

>>19153327
>matt
>fluent
I don't know who the other faggot is but I assume he isn't either

>>19153363
But you can't argue with their results. At about the 6 month mark they're able to start understanding a lot of what's being said and it just snowballs from there.

>>19153371
Agreed. At first I assumed this general was a place full of people who actually now their shit, but the longer I stay here the more it seems like its just either shitposters who dont know what the fuck theyre talking about or beginners who think they know it all.

Yep. That's why I listen to people who actually film themselves having conversation in Japanese or are at least good liars. Nobody here can prove shit about what they know.

>>19153374
>e-celeb memes
>results

>>19153389
Honestly I'm just cramming as much japanese into my day as possible. I've got an anki sentence deck, kanji deck, mining deck, read all kinds of shit which results in like 3-4 hours of reading time and watch raws. I just started this routine a week ago so the results are slim, but I think thats the goal, isnt it? Just literally putting so much japanese in your life that your brain HAS to accept it?

>>19153371
But that's how it works, I don't know what else is there to learning a language other than putting it in practice as much as you possibly can.

>>19153407
More or less, but you should do it in steps. Nobody starts off learning Japanese by reading a novel.

>>19153428
Well I've done anki 2k and went over tae kim like 3 seperate times, so for me it just seems like kind of a "freestyle" step to success now, continue what I'm doing, which is improving moon in different categories, until I've maxed them all out, at which point I'll probably notice.

are you guys really so far at the bottom of the barrel that all you have left is ajatt

>>19153479
Nobody cares about some nigger's spastic ramblings. What's important is

>RTK
>i+1 sentence mining
>overdose on immersion

None of these things are invented by Katz

>>19153496
more misses than hits

>>19153499
Elaborate.

>>19153496
*khatz

what matters is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwaHSesrXVo

>>19153505
He's just shitposting. Even if it were true, the methods he helped popularize more than make up for it.

>>19153551
you don't know japanese

where can i find people who became legit as a result of these "popular" ""methods""

>>19153564
khatz
matt
britvsjapan
ben

I just took about 3 hours to learn and review 25 kanji. I'm never going to make it.

>>19153619
What method.

>>19153610
he said people who became legit not fucktard j-vloggers

>>19153624
RTK

>>19153632
skip rtk

>>19153625
>To intelligent for methods that make even fucktards j-vloggers fluent.

thinken.jpeg

>>19153625
Khatz and Matt are both fluent so I don't know what "legit" means in this context. Brit and Ben are only about a year or two into AJATT and both claim to understand pretty much all anime and manga they read and are trying to transition into reading and comprehending novels.

So yea, do 2 years of AJATT and you'll do almost all of what you want to do in Japanese.

>>19153640
regular people not ecelebs trying to make money off all the boys in the hamster wheel

>>19153637
Skip learning japanese too.

>>19153644
>maybe 3000 subs
>Making money

doubt.

>>19153653
read again and focus on word trying

>>19153653
Matt makes a lot of money off patreon but the other 3 don't make jack shit so it's a stupid argument.

just because you cant find anyone besides the people you see on youtube doesnt mean you gotta get all upset

just use your noggin and think for a sec with your high iq genius brains lol

>>19153673
The day you croak will be worthy of grand celebration

>>19153453
Nah that's plenty. Just don't be the guy that watches raws without literally understanding anything.

>>19153693
I mean I get a few words and sometimes sentences here and there, but I guess thats where you normally start, isnt it?

>>19153685
i hope everyone has a nice ass party and barbecue and they play some good jams like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw8R2AUuz5w#t=1300

and i hope they all learned nihongo by then

How do you rate this translation, /jp/?

>>19153711
cut and paste into the localization for epic efficiency

>>19153693
>watches raws without literally understanding anything.
You'll still learn more than if you are watching them with English subs. And actually pay attention to what is being said, don't just passively watch.

Obviously you also have to do reading.
Both these things work together. The whole being more than the sum of its parts, or something like that.

I still don't get what i+1 sentences are.

>>19153711
Half of it is kind of not wrong.

>>19153748
a sentence that you learned something from

where do I get "Terrace.House.Boys.x.Girls.next.door." from?

>>19153748
Are you literally stupid?

>>19153755
hell!!!!

>>19153353
>They say that when you understand essentially nothing, in order to get to "comprehensible input" you have to watch a lot of content.
I don't remember hearing that. Matt says in one of the recent videos to watch something where you could understand what is going on without audio. If either of them said what you said, that was fucking stupid of them.

Here's a video of Krashen giving a demonstration of comprehensible input with zero language knowledge. Skip to 3:20.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiTsduRreug

It doesn't have to be that hand-holding, but you have to be able to pick up words if not sentences where even if you didn't know anything about them you are at least 75% confident on exactly what it meant. It's fine if there are other things that go over your head, but if there is NOTHING you understood, you are wasting your time.

>They all started out this way.
No they didn't. Dunno about the other dude but Matt took Japanese in school. If you're going to devote thousands of hours of your life to someone's advice, you should probably devote more time to actually hearing their story first so you don't make assumptions about what they actually did. I lean towards supporting some of what Matt advocates, but distinguish between what he actually did and what he just thinks is a good idea, and get a better understanding of what he actually means by what he says.

Anyone else here not really interested in learning anymore but too deep to quit now?
Been studying for about a year now and I don't want it to go all down the drain.

>>19153748
We have a sentence:
>I love you.
You understand "I" and "you" but you don't know what "love" means.
In i+1, "i" are the words you know (I and you) and "+1" is the word you don't know, "love".
You are looking for sentences where you understand everything but one word or particle.

>>19153755
nyaa.si

>>19153743
>You'll still learn more than if you are watching them with English subs.
Of course, but it would be more efficient to spend your study time somewhere else instead. You absolutely need to practice listening, but it doesn't make sense to start off listening while being completely clueless. You should know at least some basic vocabulary and grammar first.

>>19153706
Enjoy the grind.

>>19153772
That literally doesn't make sense

>>19153772
looks like its time for this shit again

>>19153761
>Matt says in one of the recent videos to watch something where you could understand what is going on without audio. If either of them said what you said, that was fucking stupid of them.
Matt is referring to you watching shows where you understand what is happening but understand literally none of the words being spoken. He has talked about this numerous times.
>No they didn't
Yes they did. That's exactly what Britt and Ben both said they did.

someone link the one where krashen says that i+1 literally doesn't mean anything

looks like its also time for this shit again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMx9DGl9Y0

>>19153784
brit started with classroom textbooks

>>19153772
but nobody seeds the first season's episodes

>>19153772
Alright, now I get it.
Guess I'll be doing that as well.
I mean, I honestly don't know why people would complain about sentence mining. Are they just too lazy to do more japanese on a daily basis? Thats not really the mindset to learn it then.
>>19153774
I hopefully will.

>>19153794
Then how have I downloaded the first 2 seasons at high speeds from nyaa in the past couple days?

>>19153791
And didn't teach him enough words for him to even begin to approach "comprehensible input" and yet he still actively listened to content for hours each day for months.

>>19153814
doesn't matter it's nto where he started

>>19153774
If you're an absolute beginner then you need to get used to Japanese sound and where words start and stop.

And after that. Even for words you don't know, if you've heard them enough times and then encounter it while reading it'll be much, much easier to remember. I'm sure we've all had those "Oh I've heard this word before!" moments while reading, those are easiest to remember, at least for me.

>>19153796
Man just a word of sincere advice: nobody here is qualified in any way to tell you how to proceed. In fact, there are multiple people that have themselves stated that they purposefully deceive those that ask questions in the thread. Do not base your next however many hundreds of hours of work on the shit you get told in this thread. Do your own research.

>>19153822
>>19150501

>>19153815
Where he started doesn't matter if it doesn't differ enough for it to matter, which it doesn't according to him and anyone else doing AJATT.

>>19153833
>They all started out this way.

How the fuck do polyglots learn? I don't mean people like Kaufman that are old as fuck but those that are in their 20s and 30s and already speak 7-10 languages. I don't get it, do they spend all day studying or do they just that much better at it than everyone else?

>>19153819
>If you're an absolute beginner then you need to get used to Japanese sound and where words start and stop
And to do that you need to know some vocabulary first. Just imagine someone trying to listen to something without even knowing basic particles like は. That's just a massive waste of time. Beginners need to start listening soon, but it's not step one on the list of things to do.

>>19153838
So long as Brit didn't know enough words for them to assist in his virtually blind active watching, it doesn't change my point.

>>19153855
you don't know that

>>19153847
>and already speak 7-10 languages
"speak"

>>19153847
It's really easy to just grind memrise or some other braindead app all day and speak to natives/your teacher regularly
The thing is, there's absolutely no good reason to be fluent in that many languages

>>19153857
I do. He and everyone else talks about how when you start out active listening you can't understand jack shit but you should do it anyway.

>>19153871
no, really, you don't know how good or bad he was when he started

shut up about ecelebs lol you fuckin sheep

>>19153847
Imagine if you spent as much time studying as you do browsing 4chan and fapping. You could probably know 7-10 languages too.

Although those young polyglots either aren't very good at their languages, or they grew up speaking a lot of them.

>>19153874
They all have literally stated they "didn't understand anything" when they first started active listening.

>>19153883
what they say doesn't matter

>>19153851
I did talk about doing both at the same time, right? You watch 1 or 2 episodes raw anime, you read some Tae Kim, rinse and repeat.
listening and reading work in tandem.

>>19153784
>>19153814
Please watch the video and understand that there is literally no point in your learning where there does not exist input that is comprehensible. You are either watching media that contains comprehensible input, or you are not. The former has value. The latter does not. Choose something different if what you are watching has no value.

>>19153886
The personal experience of people who have gotten fluent using AJATT, and who claim they didn't understand "anything" when doing active listening don't matter in a discussion about the utility of active listening for a beginner.

>>19153849

>>19153897
see:
>>19153901
Moreover you're making a really bad argument in the first place because it's not like AJATT tells you to actively watch content while ignoring grammar in perpetuity.

>>19153847
this >>19153863 pretty much.

You could probably learn a few european languages pretty quickly, more stuff gets carried over than between english and japanese.

Why is 雰囲気 commonly pronounced as ふいんき instead of ふんいき?

the same reason ppl say が instead of んが

>>19153901
They are highly likely exaggerating how little they understood because having 95% of the speech go over your head feels like "understanding nothing". Further, stop suggesting that they practiced what they preached when what they preach is starting from nothing and they did not actually start from nothing. That doesn't inherently make their suggestions bullshit, but it does mean that you can't take it as "personal experience". Perhaps you are exaggerating how much went over your head as well, and that would be fine, but if you are truly going to dedicate many hours to watching content where you understand NOTHING based on their word, you are making a mistake.

>>19153919
The argument I am making is to watch something where there exist pieces of spoken language that, in association with the video, do not go entirely over your head. Something where you can make an educated guess every once in a while at what information was just communicated. I'm not discussing if you should study grammar or grind vocab before watching. This is true no matter what you do. You need to be able to catch something to build associations with.

>>19153847
You can probably learn to speak 5 Western-European languages decently in the time it takes to learn Japanese, especially if you studied Latin beforehand.

>>19153949
Because it's more comfortable.

everybody knows the way to learn nihongo is to

one undo all your previous nihongo exposure up to the point of arriving to this shit hole thread

two read nothing but text until you learn nihongo out of nothing

>>19153976
Hell blindly watching anime is doing exactly what Krashen wants you to do. You can infer meanings of words based on repeated exposure in varied contexts. And AJATT doesn't say "just watch shows in Japanese and do nothing else". What a giant waste of time.

ajatt means whatever the ajatt shills want it to mean during the current argument of course

If natives don't need AJATT then neither do I.

>>19154024
but natives acquire their first language through A[insert language]ATT.

>>19154024
Natives don't need /djt/

>>19153993
I agree that you can infer meanings from repeated exposure. I am simply suggesting that it is possible to watch something where there are no low-hanging fruit which would be highly inefficient. I'm going to assume "understanding nothing" was an exaggeration and drop it.

>>19153643
>Khatz and Matt are both fluent
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQCFyD_Q51k
Matt can't even read a game for teenagers properly.

>>19154047
Being anywhere near the level of a 16 year old nip is impressive.

>>19153991
>read nothing but text until you learn nihongo out of nothing
This.

>>19154047
Not even the same anon but come fucking on. Thats still ten times better than you are right now. Atleast he has something to show for it, not like you just complaining about him.

>>19154057
Not an argument.

>>19154057
LITERALLY not an argument.

>>19154050
>near
Go home, Matt. Anyone can learn a few words and claim to "read" it, but you're the only one capable of memorizing half of it before reading and reading it wrong anyway.

>>19153993
As far as I can tell Krashen insists that input ought to be comprehensible. The whole point of "i+1" is that the best input is somewhat difficult, not totally beyond you.

>>19154057
wtf i love matt now

Your point about comprehensible input is important but blind watching from day one is fine because it gets you used to the language, and you can learn some basic grammar or words on the side. Obviously you'll get more out of it the more you understand, but you have to start somewhere.

>>19154060
>>19154066
Dude this aint even about the discussion anymore. Hes clearly reading it, the fuck are you trying to criticise? Stop ranting your fat neckbeard ass off about some "eceleb" and actually study. This is a daily JAPANESE thread, not a daily "but i dont like that even though it seems to be working" thread. Also as I said, not the same anon, I didnt even spend a second trying to follow your entire conversation, just wanted to point it out. I mean, hell, I can learn more from him right now than watching you fucking idiots rant in english.

>>19154097
you don't know japanese, stop lecturing people who do

>>19154088
For example subbed anime.

>>19154097
>Hes clearly reading it
>clearly
It doesn't take skill to look things up before hand.
Or just read off sounds without understanding what you're supposedly reading.

>>19154105
lmao

>>19154109
Subs didn't teach me shit except "ore" and "sore" and that took about 4 years.

>>19154105
Yeah right, as if you know it any more than I do. Even if, the fuck do I care you know it? Not like youre useful. Just complaining about everything and anything that doesn't seem perfect in your eyes, whining and just being delusional overall because "thats not what I (supposedly) did". Fuck off and use your japanese then, if you even know how to, instead of being the idiot you are right now.

matt just memorized what he read after practicing a bunch for the video and was still so trash that he practiced reading words wrong and didnt even realize that they were wrong

matts literally no better than any of you and if you suck his dick you deserve what comes out all over your face and man tits

>>19154119
Don't take this the wrong way but I think you might be a fucking idiot.

>>19154130
i'll fuck off when you stop telling people to do things that are bad for them

>>19153806
could you please tell me the exact name of the torrents? I think you may refer to the wrong seasons?
I mean boys & girls next door series

What does Matt have to do to get /djt/ to like him? Be honest and reasonable.

>>19154077
Obviously, comprehensible input is always better than uncomprehensible.
But even if you're too much of a beginner for there to be decent comprehensible listening material it's still a good idea to listen even if it's uncomprehensible.

If you've never heard Japanese before it's a good idea to listen to get used to the sounds in japanese.

If this is your first day trying to learn Japanese but you've been watching english subbed anime for years, it's still better to watch raws even if you can only catch a few words here and there.
>But it's a waste of time
You're gonna watch it anyway, might as well do it raw.
>But I wont understand my cute girls doing cute things shows
Yes. Do you want to learn japanese or not?

listening will help your reading.
reading will help your listening.

you should always do both.

>>19154138
Im not telling people its good to do whatever that guy teaches them. I'm just saying that its fucking pathetic to imply that hes not reading, who gives a shit if he practiced it before, he's still reading. And I stand by my point that watching him read can still teach you more than watching you people rant about whats wrong about his methods, that could change if you would actually use this thread like people would expect it to be used, but hell, cant expect that much from you, can I?

>>19154156
Learn Japanese

>>19154151
You mean this season right? Very first season ever, in 2012?

>>19154158
it's time to stop posting

>>19154167
Yeah, it is. I'll be going back to actually studying now. I hope, and expect you do the same, or atleast do anything remotely related to japanese.

>>19154182
i know japanese though

>>19154156
>/djt/
go away, matt

>>19154185
Sure you do buddy, go and use it now.

>>19149790
Not to be rude but go to>>>/int/

>>19154190
I'm using it all the time, those VNs don't read themselves.

>>19154156
learn japanese

わたしはニッポンゴ使い

>>19154190
I'm using it all the time, those VNs don't read themselves.

>>19154199
オレも

>>19154197
>>19154204
VNs aren't reading, though.

>>19154215
and you don't know japanese

おれわ日本

>>19154215
So Matt didn't read in that video? Okay, we agree on that.

>>19154217
You are the one that doesn't know Japanese.

>>19154225
>わ

>>19154225
ねえ、日本さん
元気？

>>19154231
i know japanese though

>>19154241
No, you don't.

>>19154234
餌トハ

>>19154185
ボカルードットコム

>>19154248
but i do

>>19154215
https://www.strawpoll.me/15824636

>>19154230
only when matto "reads" them because hes gotta practice for his webcam videos so he can sound convincing

>>19154251
post that to this guy not me >>19154215

>>19154264
this poll is dope because every answer means yes

>>19154252
You really don't.

>>19154251
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

also it should be 読み物

>>19154275
no it really shouldnt if you know nihongo youd know what it says

>>19154283
it says "the person who made this strawpoll doesn't know japanese"

>>19154275
And you should be 死に物

>>19154272
I want her to fuck my ass

>>19154288
just deal with the facts i know japanese

bring it on boys lets rumble

>>19154264
I'm confused about whether the よめない here means that I can't read the question or that I can't read VNs

>>19154304
but you don't know japanese

>>19154297
would you still feel that way if i turned the pitch shifter off

>>19154313
some women have very husky voices please dont kink shame

>>19153791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmJHKByxvVM
According to this video, about 4 minutes in, he took a class in Japanese that was "OK but too easy at first", and then he dropped out when they started teaching grammar because they wanted him to draw out conjugation tables and memorize grammar rules that he had intuitively picked up from listening to a lot of Japanese. So yea nah, you're wrong.

ほら
このとーり！
What does とーり mean here? The context is someone begging for help.

>>19154319
learn english
classroom textbooks != learning from a classroom
i am referring to an even earlier time

>>19154305
just select よめない then

thank you for taking part in the survey

>>19154321
This is why you should listen even if you don't understand.

>>19154313
stop ruining my fantasies cunt

>>19154325
Got a source on him starting Japanese by using classroom textbooks?

>>19154340
https://blog.matthewhawkins.co/learning-japanese-entry-3-discovering-ajatt/

>>19154321
tori is japanese birb
it can cook the pasta

>>19154321
this >>19154386
Also if you're wondering about the meaning of ほら it's a loan word from spanish "hola". It means hello.

hi sono tori
means hello bird in the japanese

>>19153851
If I were to take all the time I spent learning Japanese into germanic/romantic languages, I'd probably know like 3 or 4 by now.

>>19154401
excuse my ignorance but what would you even do with those

>>19154401
No matter how many times you repeat this it's never gonna be true. Just accept that you're a useless cunt and that you're learning a japonic east asian language for porn.

>>19154401
>>19154407
Whoops, I misquoted.
Meant >>19153847

>>19154401
Assuming you're in your 20s, you've still got many decades to learn those so who cares.

>>19154401
>germanic/romantic languages
But do they have good doujin?

>>19154386
>>19154394
死ね

>>19154412
It has to be true because it's much easier for English natives to learn romantic and germanic languages than Japanese.

>haha yeah guys i can totally learn 9001 languages in only 5 years (as long as their germanic lol)
>h-huh??? why dont i do it??? uhhhhhhh cause i dont want to!!!!!!

>>19154452
>if you don't do something the only possible cause is that you are literally unable to
Retard.

i think the sentiment is talk is cheap

so's your manko lol

>>19154349
well that ended anticlimactically

Good fucking Lord I haven't been here in a year and somehow it's gotten worse

>>19154508
save us sakubi

>>19154508
save us sakurautist

助けて
マグロマン・・

>>19153610
Is Ben the Fluent in 3 Months guy? Because he failed spectacularly at Japanese and Chinese. He is a fraud.

>>19154508
2017 wasn't even bad compared to what's going on now.

>>19154508
lol check out the last thread

>>19154547
you mean last thread when we learned unequivocally that manga is 読むもの? yeah things are fuckin movin up in the world of djt

>>19154538
why dont you do something to make it better

reminder that it should be yomimono or just not use mono at all

>>19154576
heres a video you cant understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXOKZhnitsM

>>19154508
What? This is the best thread we've had in a long time because people are actually discussing shit.

>>19154587
cool you don't know Japanese and i understand that video

>>19154532
No, Ben is an AJATTer that Matt interviewed a month ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFgrqtvfwEQ

>>19154607
hard to take you seriously with the size of the hole in your ass from the epic blowout mate

>>19154587
So not only do you not know Japanese but you also don't know English

>>19154576
漢字 are too hard for you and yet you try to lecture people?

>>19154610
sorry about your hole for it has been blown out

>>19154614
sorry dude if you're offended by me not being assed to fuck with my ime for a low quality post you have problems

>replying to Jamal
If you can't learn not to do that, what hope do you have to learn Japanese?

still waiting for some nihongo pros >>19154272

while wait which one are you?

Nothing makes be throw up in my mouth a little more than being asked if some specific piece of created-FOR-LEARNERS content is a good source to sentence mine from..... It blows my mind how attached people are to sticking with fake baby materials.

To all you people trying to skip or blaze through RTK.

>>19154660
not an argument

>>19154660
>if you can't be bothered to spend 3 months on kanji what makes you think you'll be able to spend years on sentences
Why are people so bad at arguing

>>19154621
>fuck with my ime
Holy shit, if it takes you more than one key combination to fire it up, you're not worth anyone's time here.

why argue about the same old shit instead of try to blow me out

this is djt no one is passive when it comes to blowouts and putting someone down when you know youre right yet here we are

why?

>>19154677
i only have a single finger left anon

>>19154660
Because sentences are compelling content. Once you're reading something you enjoy study isn't a slog.
I don't even think RTK is that bad, but that's stupid.

>>19154686
individual sentences are meaningless

>>19154682

>>19154689
You are retarded.

>>19154698
you misunderstand the purpose behind my post

>>19154163
yes man

>>19154709
To be clear, even though the screenshot was provided and it shows the name of the episodes, you still can't find it?

>>19154660
Do Japanese people study RTK too?

>>19154709
I used qBittorrent's search engine for nya and didn't get the 2nd ep there, but it is there when i directly access the site
thanks m8

>>19154732
No, they need many years in school and constant exposure instead and still suck at kanji if they're not reading a lot.

>>19154732
Japanese people use incredibly inefficient methods of rote memorizing 200 Kanji per year throughout grade school.

>>19154709
no ep. 2 to be seen

>>19154660
>book is literally called remembering the kanji
>retards still conflate that with learning them

>>19154660
>if you don't want to do this tedious and unfun thing, you won't want to do this other thing that is less tedious and more fun
Why do people do this.

I still wonder how is it possible I can differentiate all of the 常用 and 人名用漢字 without doing RTK.

>>19154744
Rote memorization isn't inefficient.

>>19154760
the same way you can write a sentence or two in Japanese despite not speaking it any decent level

>>19154746
>A complete course on how not to forget the meaning and writing of Japanese characters
>Why isn't this book teaching me Japanese?
Why is everyone so retarded when it comes to this book?

>>19154763
Yes it is. You can remember Kanji in a fraction of the time using RTK's method than just writing them out repeatedly. And the Japanese kids have the advantage of already being able to speak the language, so rote memorization works better for them than English natives.

why is everyone so retarded

>>19154765
>/djt/

Why is everyone

why

>>19154773
post rap please

かあぁぁぁぁちゃん

How does /djt/ feel about speaking to natives as a beginner/intermediate? I'm currently upper N4/lower N3 area. I am in Japan right now and I really am realizing the extent of my abilities and how abruptly they drop off. Luckily I have made an amazing Japanese friend who is the nicest dude I have ever met. Goes out of his way all the time to help me with anything like finding fun places to go, buying tickets for the trains, showing me the train system and how it works, introducing to me to cultural aspects and so on.

Needless to say, talking to anyone besides him is usually very rough. I have a lot of trouble understanding cashiers and such and feel like I might as well have learning the most common 100 words (or even 50) instead of the 3-3500 that I already know (with about 500 kanji). People very rarely actually speak slower when you ask them to, instead often reverting immediately to broken English, thus taking away the ability to practice Japanese. I assume this is pretty normal for only studying a year but it is still somewhat aggravating. I assume by the end of my trip, my listening will be about 10 times better (I feel like I jumped in listening from N5 to N4 in only 4 days of being here) and things will be much smoother overall.

/blogpost end

Any personal experiences people want to share?

>>19154772
The best way to learn vocabulary is repetition. If you don't do it a lot, you won't learn it. There's no magic to RTK to make it easier.

https://youtu.be/j3yb8fccdkc