/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Shouldn't this be #1941?
>>19120228

>>19120760
No.

おかえりおにいちゃん

Give up.

>>19120787
３６０度してて出る

>>19120765
>>19120739
そこまで理解しているのであれば 私はあくまで目上に対する言葉遣いの なっていないあなたの発一一ロに対して 冗談めかしてたしなめているのであり 本気で自分のことをトイレだとーーー口われ ているとは思っていないことにも 気付いていただきたいですね。 それにトイレは休み時間中に済ませて 置くべきと再三注意喚起を行ったはず 忠告を無視し今尿意を押さえきれずに いる自分の愚かさを恥じよ。 またクソみたいなお前の発言も流さず 返す私はやはりトイレではない。

>>19120921
Fuck off toillet-sensei.

>>19120927
that nigger is butthurt about my thread because it didnt have his OP picture, what a fucking spastic
i hope he does the honorable nihonjin thing and kills himself

>>19120940
>dump frog poster is also a lowercase-poster
It makes sense.

おなかすいた

たべたい

ほら

俺んちんこ食べて

>>19120739
Much better thread, since I made that OP

how is this ok

>>19121268
いっさつのほんでは

ひとつしかつかわないよ

ひょうきゆれはだめ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtT83jHr0_s

How do I post on futaba

very carefully

Should I wear gloves

it worked for the juice

So when it comes to reading, am I not supposed to worry about comprehending 100% of it and just enjoy the 80-90% I'm able to? Just got into some easy LNs after a year of grinding vocabulary and reading Tae Kim, I get a vague picture of what's happening most of the time but only occasionally do I truly understand with certainty what's going on.

Should I be breaking down each sentence in detail? Should I just read and enjoy? I'm starting to feel like the last year was a total waste and that my 3000 anki cards and those many hours I spent not enjoying studying are for nothing.

>>19121515
you should be able to process nihongo with nihongo in your mind

if you cant do that then you will prolly always have this deficiency

if you can do that then just examine the things you dont know and process them with nihongo until you do understand

wait till you find the giant iceberg that is your unknown unknowns that have been siting in front of your face laughing and you cant even notice them

>>19121515
Do whichever you enjoy most. If you pretty much get what's happening and looking things up will just make reading a chore, don't bother and keep going. If knowing there's stuff you don't understand bugs that shit out of you, look everything up.
Or read something easier for more practise.

>>19121515
Watch anime first

>>19121589

Thanks anon, the trouble is that anything "easier" isn't really any better because it's not easy to find stages between total noob and intermediate. The leap from NHK NEWS EASY to even the easiest LN is drastic, and basically that entire gray area between the two is ridiculous.

>>19121625
reading books to stimulate young adults minds is prolly not the thing you wanna do if youre still a baby

whereas easy news articles are written plainly and simply with no fluff

my recommendation for going from informative and to the point nihongo to fun nihongo is as always https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMx9DGl9Y0

>>19121625
If you watch 10000 hours of anime you can easily skip past intermediate

Any tips for retention on cards that are really giving me trouble?

The 25 or so cards that show up every day because I never remember them and they keep getting answered Again on anki until they are all thats left at the end of the session.

>still unironically replying to reddit pasta

learn them or better yet just quit doing flashcards cuz i mean youre just gonna end up in this boat >>19121515 and still be faced with the learning nihongo problem

>volunteer to translate manga
>can't even read kana
>not even familiar with jap language
>use ocr google translate + "smoothing"
Why do people do this?

>>19121725
be a teenager and want to get internet cred

Are there any half decent nip MMOs to immerse myself in while learning nihongo?

>>19121749
FFXIV. Theres a lot to read though so it might be rough.

>>19121749
PC gaming is next to nonexistent in nipland.

>>19121760
thats why theres endless shit 2d media about it lol

Visual novels are literature, not video games.

Literature isn't reading.

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

>>19121749
FFXIV and PSO2 have a bunch of nips playing

>>19121810
Give me 58 seconds of my life back

>>19121819
i will not

https://youtu.be/lzLBf7l5G-g
https://youtu.be/5DdqJAYrvfI
https://youtu.be/mvsqfJSA4Fg

one of those guys pisses in jugs and has no hair
one of those guys is a basically a real ninja
one of those guys is pretty fly for a white guy

know the difference it could save your nihongo career

>>19121515
LNs are not a great idea as your first native material, but if that's what you really want to read then by all means go for it. It's just that the pictures and/or voice acting in things like manga, VNs, anime, etc. helps a considerable amount in making the material more comprehensible.

But yeah, don't worry about not understanding very well, especially at the beginning. That's totally normal no matter what you read. Best approach is to "just read and enjoy", as you put it. If you don't get a sentence, reading it back again more than once or twice is just a waste of time. Even if you manage to eventually figure the sentence out after 5 minutes of racking your brain and consulting grammar resources, all you've done is deprive yourself of 5 minutes that you could've spent reading other sentences. If you do that for every single sentence you run into then you're hardly going to get any reading done and you'll never get anywhere. That's my experience, at least.

>I'm starting to feel like the last year was a total waste and that my 3000 anki cards and those many hours I spent not enjoying studying are for nothing.
I had the same revelation when I finally dumped beginner material for good and decided I was just going to read and listen and let my brain figure it out. Just be glad that you didn't waste 5 years on grammar and vocab decks only to get nowhere like I did.

>>19121880
>If you do that for every single sentence you run into then you're hardly going to get any reading done and you'll never get anywhere.
Oh, and you've also got next to no chance of actually enjoying what you're reading with that approach.

seconding that compelling content shit it really works

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1QDRdXQJT8

>>19121907
Looking through any given archived thread and there is a cancerous post by you every handful of minutes for 12 to 14 hours a day, 24/7. You're even more pathetic than those Madoka thread tripfags. Seek professional help you mentally ill freak.

>>19121962
read your post again and then read the last sentence out loud and in front of a mirror

cheers

Is there a search function in the library? I remember getting recommended kino no tabi and being able to find it but i can't seem to find it again

>>19122006
CTRL+F nigga

>>19121965
You know he's right. Search within yourself and you'll see you spend way too much time doing nothing but shitposting, Jamal-kun.

>>19121962
>for 12 to 14 hours a day, 24/7

>>19122021
i post in a thread because its fun

i cant imagine what its like to try and put a poster in one of these threads under a microscope and look through archived threads and shit

sounds real gay

>自身、自信
>地震
>事故
>自己

Is shit like this why it's usually encouraged to speak around pronouns/talking about yourself if necessary?

>>19120739
Hey guys im reading this manga, and here in the first line

shes saying "Chi Tsu Su" right? How does that translate into "How are you?" I don't understand this language at all, i feel stupid

>>19122379
ちーっす
ちーつす
These are different

>>19122394
different how? I only see that the "tsu" is slightly bigger than the other, in your post

>>19122415
押忍っ

>>19122451
!??!?!??!?!

>>19122379
No you're not. Manga isn't reading.

>>19122502
what? Yes it is

>>19122379
Shes saying cheese

>>19122415
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokuon

>>19122565
yeah i used translate too, but apparently in english shes saying "How are you"

>>19122592
thats so stupid, how am i supposed to tell the difference between the two.

>>19122519
Manga is reading, but it's much less reading on average than you would get if you jumped straight to Light Novels.

Let's face it, using your brain is one of the most important parts of learning language, and visualizing scenarios/characters/things will help solidify what you've learned more than just about anything else. In a novel, things are described in detail, from the setting to the characters to random things happening off to the side. Manga convey this through pictures, which reduces your overall learning by a very large amount.

The real trouble is, lots of really good i+1 tier sentences for beginner/intermediate learners are found in the descriptive text of LNs, while most of the dialogue in manga are on a different level in terms of slang/grammar patterns and are not "easy" or good to use as learning material. Then, whenever there is a wall of text in a Manga, it will seem more daunting since you're not used to crunching large amounts of kanji. As a bonus, novels also contain the same dialogue whatnot/slang/etc seen in Manga, so you'll be ready for anything.

Basically what it comes down to is this - how much do you want to learn, and at what speed? If you like learning slowly and things constantly being difficult, keep on grinding core decks and reading Manga. If you want the fast track to learning all sorts of new words and grammar patterns, you pretty much have to start reading novels. Sure, you'll probably need to absorb a ton of new vocab all at once every time you start a new novel, but you'll only need to learn it once, and you were going to have to do it anyway... no downside.

Again, Manga is reading, but you're essentially cheating yourself out of learning lots of stuff you NEED to learn at some point. There's a reason English teachers hate those kids who read comics in class instead of actual books - because they're shit as learning materials go. Ironically, the only way to fully enjoy comics/manga is to read enough normal books to be able to understand them in the first place.

>>19122624
Learning Japanese.

>>19122624
Use your eyes. Seriously though you get the hang of it after a while. ちつす and ちっす look completely different to me.

>>19122635
I hope that's pasta and you didn't actually just type all that drivel.
>Manga is reading
Well that's your opinion and it's wrong.

Duolingo experts, everyone.

>電車を待つのも楽しいお年頃。

I took way too long to parse this and now I just want to be sure I got it right. Does this roughly mean "The age when even waiting for a train is fun"?

>>19122770
Waiting for train is also fun.

>>19122807
What's the function of お年頃 then?

>>19122839
Your readers won't notice anyway.

Anyone knows about an apparently dirty joke about the letter C? I was reading a comic manga and in a chapter girl wants to get English lessons, and she's proposed three courses, Aコース, Bコース and Ωコース. Once she hears about the Omega course she asks:
＞オメガ！？Cコースじゃないの！？
And the guy offering the course says
＞シ　シ　C（シー）だなんて
＞そんな…
＞お客さんエロエロっスね

>>19122853
I'm not trying to translate it, I just want to understand it.

>>19122105
>shitposting literally all day every day is fun
Do you have nothing else you do in life? No other interests, hobbies, people? Fucking depressing man.

>>19122351
>>自身、自信
>地震
自身 has accent on the first syllable while other two on the last.
Anyway, how is it even possible to misinterpret in a real speeh? It's not like japanese people (aka illiterate majority) use a lot of homophones in speaking. Homophones are more common in chinese loan words (aka words for genuine literature) whereas japs speak using native words and borrowed shit from english.

>>19122770
That's the first thing I thought of. What is the chapter about?

>Fortunately, cognitive science has identified a number of methods to enhance knowledge acquisition, and these techniques have fairly universal benefit. Students are more successful when they space out their study sessions over time, experience the material in multiple modalities, test themselves on the material as part of their study practices, and elaborate on material to make meaningful connections rather than engaging in activities that involve simple repetition of information (e.g., making flashcards or recopying notes).
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-problem-with-learning-styles/

みんな、どう思う？

>>19122880
Pretty sure 地震 is very common.

>>19122903
I don't say they don't use them at all, I'm merely pointing out that in speaking homophones are much less common since jappers don't use chinese words in abundancy. Like for example pretty much scarcely anyone would say 椀\碗 or 石鹸 instead of カップ and ソープ and

>>19122898
Sounds like you should read and listen to compelling content. Spread out over time and in variety. And make flashcards to test yourself on what you hope to have learned.

>>19122938
>pretty much
Fuck, forgot to delete this.

>>19122898
That's an argument against using decks with grammar rules.
Memorizing your first 2000 words however is not the same. It's a boring process of drilling words into your head, an unavoidable one.
Besides, it's not like you don't get any practice. Those are most common words, you're going to see them all the time, everywhere.
Though there are forms of autism that manifests itself through having a mining a deck 10000+ words in size.

>>19122959
Blasphemy. Flashcards have LITERALLY 0 value. Just watch anime dude lmao.

>>19122887
The chapter is about Hiruma (the girl on the left) and the MC (not pictured) trying to figure out a good birthday present for Chion (also not pictured) who is turning 20. MC, Hiruma and her friend in the picture are still in high school.

What's your favorite Japanese name?

For me, it's Izumi. Just sounds nice.

>>19122859
恋愛のABC is kinda like "bases" in English (first base, second base etc). C is sex.

>>19122976
Then it's kind of obvious that you interpreted the title right.

>>19122990
Makes sense, thanks anon

>>19122972
>test themselves on the material as part of their study practices
If you have a better way of doing that feel free to share it.

>>19123015
If you can't tell that's sarcastic then I don't even know

>>19122988
Chihaya

>>19122988
昴

>>19122415
Come back when you've learned hiragana.

>>19123068
Please don't come back even then.

>>19122379
"cheers mate!"

>>19122869
its not hard to tab into a thread and write a sick zinger at some dork dude

>>19122379
"whats poppin birth control"

Love similes and metaphors. Love reading something like this without a dictionary.

>>19122938
Idk, even in the simplest manga I see fuckloads of apparently Chinese words.
Chinese with a Japanese accent is like 60% of the language, can you even express an idea more complex that "まじ でっかいウンコでたよー" without using it?

>>19123082
You're still on your PC all day at 50. Go for a stroll or something, fuckin hell.

>>19123113
there aint shit you can tell me squirt dont even try

>>19123120
Risk of heart disease increases the older you get gramps, you really need to combat it with some physical activity.

>>19122379
> shes saying "Chi Tsu Su" right? How does that translate into "How are you?"
After having read at least some of the grammar guide you still believe in 1:1 translation?
Man, you don't just "feel stupid", you are indeed retarded.
And a dumb EOP probably. Go learn a European language first.

>>19123126
i do what i gotta do (such as fucking you are mom) dude do you?

>>19123145
>such as fucking you are mom
Uhuh. I see the neurodegenerative disease has already taken hold. I'm sorry.

>>19123156
shoulda known i was dealing with an esl

>>19123136
> you are indeed retarded.
Guess so am I. I should've read his other posts first, he's obviously baiting.

>>19123166
>dumb burger eop using esl as a insult

>>19123166
My post had 0 errors but nice try bucko.

>>19123179
dumb esl using dumb burger eop as a insult

>>19123185
your posting is in error

>>19123166
> a dribbling American retard unable to locate "Shift" on his keyboard is trying to play a grammar Nazi

>>19121557
>you should be able to process nihongo with nihongo in your mind
what does that even mean you retard

You guys are playing chess with pigeon.

Day 4 of RTK, 125 Kanji. My sanity is slipping.

>>19123230
Try learning Japanese instead. Or as well, if you like.

>>19123230
fuck off who cares

>>19123215
do i really have to explain the joke ok here it is "you are mom" > "youre mom" > "your mom" is an epic and funny joke for the win youre welcome for the internet lesson on getting the joke check back tomorrow to have your esl hole blown out again

>>19123221
prolly knowing nihongo

>>19123227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGMKzRMDebo#t=50

>>19123221
He's probably talking about thinking in Japanese.
It's a necessary skill, but you need at least two years to develop it.

>>19123254
> do i really have to explain the joke ok here it is "you are mom" > "youre mom" > "your mom" is an epic and funny joke
Pretending to be retarded is retarded in itself.
Just stop posting.

>>19123307
who said im pretending

also if everyone who was aggro towards other people this thread would be way better

try that instead poo poo boy

>>19123254
How long until I achieve fluency just by clicking all your links?

>>19123331
young hastle is great because hes articulate and raps slow

its obviously to get some gaijin appeal but thats ok you can use his easy nihongo to your benefit

>>19123317
> who said im pretending
Now that I think about it, your mental deficiency does seem genuine.

>>19123346
i mean it should be obvious: im posting in djt

i am straight up a god damn retard

So this thread isn't really about learning Japanese then.

Sorry to bother you.

>>19123389
youre not learning japanese in an english thread no

thats just the bottom line unfortunately

>>19123107
I am envious.

ahh where art thou mareni

What IME do actual Japanese people use? Surely it's not the default Microsoft Windows IME? This software is complete garbage, it's like it doesn't recognize the existence of even slightly uncommon words.

>>19123443
Actual Japanese keyboards.

>>19123443
Maybe you're not typing them right, japs fucking love winblows, and ms loves them.

>>19123443
use 日本語版 windows for great justice

>>19123250
i'll continue blogging and you can't stop me :)

>>19123443
Windows IME and Google IME and I think there's some Chinese/Korean IME they use too

>>19123476
blog all you want dude positive posts not hating on people is fuckin いいと思う

>>19121812
They're not particularly communicative, though. At least not on ffxiv.

>>19123485
if you want hard mode play 11 on odin server which is primarily japanese speakers

>>19123485
No one talks on PUGs, regardless of where you come from.

What do you think of dudes trying to get Japanese girlfriends to "practice" their Nihongo?

>>19123499
worked for me

>>19123443
Mozc

>>19123485
Most people in MMOs these days say nothing. You would probably have to get the talking started

>>19123503
Compensated dating doesn't count.

>>19123507
This is why the genre had gone to shit.
>>19123493
PUGs? I'm sorry, i've only played the game for a couple of hours iirc.

>>19123509
if it was legal to slay compensated daters i would be cleaning up the streets of kawasaki and not posting in this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nwx75XmF_Cg#t=125

>>19123499
worked for brit vs japan

I recently finished with hiragana/katakana and I have been just grinding the 2/6k anki deck. At one point should I start looking at grammar? Is anki + tae kim grammar guide enough or should I look into getting genki?

thanks friends

>>19123499
I am one of those dudes.

>>19123530
yamelo

>>19123528
how about you read the guide first

Is there any better scan of yotsuba than the one in the resources? Furigana is impossible to see and even some kanji can be difficult to see.

>>19123528
Create 500+ sentences from Tae Kim's guide and grind them.

>>19123516
Pick up Groups. You should know what instances are at least.

>>19123530
Your handwriting is so gay.

What do you think of getting a Japanese boyfriend to help you learn Japanese instead? Then you wouldn't pick up feminine speech patterns and get laughed.

What do you think of getting your father to breastfeed you and take care for you instead? Then you wouldn't pick up feminine speech patterns and get laughed at.

How are you meant to be in a relationship with someone if you can't even talk to them properly? If the girl speaks English as well, you'll just default to it in that case.

>>19123785
duuude like the language of love is like universal man

>>19122724
>は is suddenly a copula
why do people do this

minna genki ?

Anyone have any experience reading through Danganronpa in Japanese? How difficult was it?

About as difficult as getting your mom to put out.

>>19123844
trash for tumblr teens

You guys aren't supportive enough of newcomers. I'm gonna join the AJATTers. Sucks I have to pay to get into their discord though.

Rule 11.

rule 34

>>19121828
>Matt is the only one he called perfect

Who is this shill?

Day 1 of watching raw anime. This sucks and isn't fun at all.

>>19123987
Watch hentai

>>19123987
The anti-listen more shills are out full force.

Shit anime is shit, raw or not.

How do you guys deal with the constant oppressive dread when realizing that you aren't as good as you want to be, aren't as reading as fast as you want to, don't understand as much as you feel you should, etc? I'm about 6 months into reading and instead of feeling happy with my improvement, i've just been feeling constantly down, because i'm not as good as I feel I should be.

>>19123992
How can I be anti-listening more when I am literally listening more right now?

>>19123997
I've seen it before with subs and liked it. If I watched something I haven't seen before, I wouldn't understand anything.

どんな「ちゃえ」ですか？
文脈は京子はあかりのおねえの部屋に入いる

>>19123970
Did you even watch the videos? It was clear he thought Dogen was the best by a lot.

I did the same last year watching raws and thoroughly enjoyed the experience. If it isn't fun, try being less of a retard.

>>19124014
I also recently started watching raws with only 30 hours so far, but of the shows so far I recommend yuru camp as the easiest of the shows I watched.

>>19123794
What is it then?

How do you learn samurai Japanese?
I understand a decent portion of everything normal but any times some samurai type nibbas show up I can't pick up anything anymore. Are there anki decks for archaic words used in samurai films and such?

Be honest. How long did you study for today?

>>19124087
Like 2 hours with some more hours of listening.

>>19124087
30 minutes - anki
30 minutes - casually reading DOJG
1:30 - reading LN
still need to watch some raw anime so idk how long for that but it is usually from 1-2 hours.

This is usually my daily regime.

>>19123987
thats day ones for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCKmAuqSZI4#t=24

When reading something like Tae Kim, should I be taking notes or just going back over it a few times a week to make sure it's cemented in my mind?

I'm very good at Japanese と思う

>>19124130
just make every sentence into a flashcard and do them

>>19124087
Just 30 minutes reading a short story on the bus.

>>19124130
Don't bother studying grammar, patterns will emerge naturally in your brain as you consume more input.

>>19124142
So just dive straight into vocab and reading?

>>19124133
根拠は?

>>19124133
>と思う

>>19124146
if youve watched 10000 hours of ptbr subtitled anime yes

>>19124146
Yes. None of it will cement in your mind without massive amounts of input anyway. Do a quick skim read through DoJG after your first few hundred hours and then you're good to go.

>>19124155
I didn't make any mistake と思います

>>19123987
Agreed.

>>19124057
I'll keep that one in mind. For now I am only doing it with shows I've already seen. Starting with Boku dake ga Inai Machi, then maybe K-ON or Hibike Euphonium next.

Serious question.

How many hours of watching raw anime until it gets better?

serious question

why dont you just know nihongo

>>19124230
How much TV do you think kids watch before they get literate?

>>19124237
Bunch of Americans are still illiterate anyway. they can't even tell the difference between your/you're, would've/would of.

>>19123136
>>19123172
no im serious.

>>19124249
>your/you're
This is because of phones autocorrecting you're to your and vice versa. They don't have any trouble distinguishing the two at all.

>would've/would of
There are salient arguments, from linguists, that "would of" should be the normal way to write how it's pronounced, just like you write "gonna", not "going to".

>>19123443
Google or ATOK.

>>19124034
How many ちゃえs do you know of?

>>19124249
off topic, off yourself

>>19124269
うんこ食べちゃえ

>>19124087
~2 hours learning 25 Kanji in RTK.
1 hour reviewing Kanji
40 minutes actively watching Dragon Ball raws
I should probably do some passive listening but I don't feel like it.

>>19124285
Patrician

>tfw my first name is Miko

It's really embarrassing every time I'm visiting Japan

>>19124285
I'd rather watch simple stuff like Saint Seiya, which has actual dialogue unlike Dragon Ball.

>>19124285
>almost 4 hours a day studying and can't read
You're gonna burn out before you make it dude. Chill out and cut the crap out of your routine.

>>19124295
ミッコ
ミコウ
done

>>19124295
Mikorin? かわいいと思います

say what you want about nukemarine being bad but "rtk lite" is actually good bait to get people off of rtk before it's too late

why not just not do stupid shit 最初から

some people are going to do stupid shit no matter what

>>19124307
they want you to write your name exactly how it is in the passport

>>19124261
>This is because of phones autocorrecting
Are you fucking 12?

>>19124341
Okay but that doesn't affect how you talk to people when you're there

>>19124343
No, I'm like 30.

>>19124362
この画像が好き

>>19124230
Based on how no one can answer this question, I think no one hear actually can watch anime raw.

>>19124398
I can

>>19124398
i just watched some of the latest anime from japan and it was dope

>>19123987
It sucks, but I wouldn't say it's not fun. Going by context clues pulls you through the 20 minutes.

>>19124403
>>19124411
So how long of watching anime raw until it got easier?

>>19124303
I did almost the exact same thing for 4 months and never burned out. Reading is actually more stressful in a lot of ways for me (like embracing ambiguity, chasing grammar that is out of my reach, etc)

The more you learn Japanese, does your native language proficiency worsen"?

>>19124424
>Reading is actually more stressful in a lot of ways for me (like embracing ambiguity, chasing grammar that is out of my reach, etc)
This is by far the most important problem to overcome as a beginner. Everything else pales in comparison. Read more.

>>19124350
The your/you're problem has been plaguing the web long before mobile internet became available for consumers.

>>19124422
A couple months
>>19124432
No

>>19124439
Yes.

>>19124432
Look at jamal, he's a nihongo god, but his English is rubbish.

>>19124303
You might be right. I can already feel it. I'll probably cut back to 15 Kanji per day because 25 is taking multiple hours and I thought I could do it in one hour. The problem is that if I cut back to 15 per day, it'll take me 139 days to finish RTK1. If I learn 25 per day it'll take 83 days. And actively listening to a language I can't understand is torture.

>>19124447
You don't have to finish RTK to learn Japanese.

>>19124432
No, it actually strengthens it because one language becomes a mnemonic for the other.

>>19124447
Why is it taking you so long? I did 25 a day and it only took an hour or so

>>19124460
Intelligence/IQ. You're smarter than me.

>>19124465
>Intelligence/IQ
Those aren't the same thing

>>19120739
So I've been learning Japanese with that anki guide that is recommended here and I have one major question that is becoming a problem. What the fuck is the solution for the fact that you don't know which reading the card is for to therefore define it? If two words are written exactly the same way but pronounced different or have different meanings, how am I supposed to know which one it is? I don't see how I'm going to learn tricky words easily when I have no way of knowing whether I just guessed completely wrong or I was thinking of the other possible translation of the word. What is the solution for this? Even somebody who knew perfect Japanese would still get those cards wrong at least 50% of the time.

>>19124474
Delete one of the cards and put both readings and meanings on the other card.

>>19124474
Just remember both solutions at the same time lmao

>>19124422
how much subbed anime have you watched lifetime

>>19124471
They are but to avoid an irrelevant argument pretend I didn't mention IQ. 25 per hour is 2 minutes to think of a mnemonic and move on. But it takes me longer than that to think of a good mnemonic. I have to drill afterwards too.

>>19124477
Okay, I will try to do that. Is there an easy way to check for repeat cards in the deck? I've never edited any of them before.

When you watch raw anime, you're supposed to start hearing certain words and then googling what they mean right? Yea this is probably a retarded question with an obvious answer but I'm just making sure everyone else isn't an Einstein that can just magically infer the meaning of words based on repeated exposure for only a few months.

>>19124474
add a hint to one of them.

>>19124445
i appresh the shoutout but replace me with lick-g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw8R2AUuz5w#t=1300

>>19124320
You know what's lighter than RTK lite? Learn like 50 radicals and fuck off. Make it into an acronym. LL50RAFO. You can now distinguish kanji better. Time to stop procrastinating Japanese now innit?

>>19124490
cat ./file | sort | uniq -c

Real men play Japanese RPG's RAW

>>19124502
I learned like all the radicals in a week tho.

>>19124505
i quit rpgs after persona5

>>19124505
I fuck you're mom RAW, kid.

>>19124485
I just steal the koohii stories lol, no wonder it takes you so long

>>19124512
The bad part is that I use Koohii stories too. I spend minutes trying to figure out which one I'll remember the best.

>>19124320
Not sure how you could talk shit about nukemarine regardless. He's more fluent than us.

>>19124526
not even close

my grandma is more fluent than nukemarine, and she's dead

>>19124526
i cant believe i acutaly am gonna stand up for djt but as a dude thats been holding a pillow down on its face for the past what a couple years and change i can definitely tell you the average person thats been at it for a little while in these threads is better than what ive seen of that actual fuck face

English please.

sorry esl my posts arent for you

>>19124034
Where do you get japsubs for anime?

>>19124087
I didn't time it, but I read a chapter of Hunter x Hunter, a chapter of Muromi-san, and a volume of Mushibugyo.
A little bit of Damekoi.
And an episode of Eva.

I imagine it was like 2.5 hours-ish?

>>19124004
>no reponses

>>19123261
I can confirm this, ESL here, when I talk or write in english I always think in english, while I used to translate everything in my mind before.

Anyone follow Japanese Youtubers? Which ones are good for N2 level?

>>19124560
Hai Domo!

>>19124552
I just keep reading and stop every few minutes to sigh.

>>19124552
the more you sweat learning nihongo the worse it gets

dont worry about it and just have a nice time mate : )

>>19124560
i know lots of them here try this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwaHSesrXVo

>>19124521
Okay okay, don't break your brain on that. If you don't immediately know which story you want then read the top 3-5 stories then hit "Again" in Anki. When the card comes up again you will remember the best mnemonic

>>19124549
Manga isn't reading though.

>>19124583
you don't know japanese

You don't know reading.

>>19124573
That was some shit music.

So what radio station or other do you listen to in the background?
I'm kind of partial to FM Yukiguni, but I've little experience with Japanese stations so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu2etwHzcvw

>>19124603
ワルノリデキマッテル

>>19124563
there are literally 2000 japanese youtubers who start their videos with that sentence

I'm dumb as hell and I don't understand how the Anki works, or I do understand but it's so basic it's making me retarded. Do you just see the word then say it to yourself? You don't type anything in or make a selection from multiple choice or anything?

>>19124619
田代大介

>>19124620
There are some decks that allow input, but the Core Vocab decks are just
>see the word
>how did you do on the recognition
>repeat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2B2x7qwxO-k
holy shit his english is better than matt's japanese
I think we've found the new DJT king

>>19124636
>フランクス
>frankis
Not only he is shit at English, he is also shit at Japanese.

>>19124583
Pic related is you, I presume?

>>19124577
Are you recognizing them or recalling them? I have Anki to where it shows me the keyword and then I have to remember both the Kanji and the story I've associated with it. Takes me too long so I might just say fuck it and go to recognition with the Kanji on the front. Or maybe just the story.

>>19124630
Not that guy, but am I fucking myself over by clicking hard even if I get it instantly? I just feel like the way it's going to take more than a week or possibly even a month to get back to some words seems excessive since I've only just learned these words, so I almost always go for hard so it comes back sooner.

>>19124660
just click good stupid cunt

>>19124660
I wouldn't say you're fucking yourself over. You're just signing yourself up for more revisions of the word or phrase you pressed hard on.

>>19124650
Oh shit, is that some 常住戦陣!! ムシブギョー?

少女のおしっこ飲みたいなー

I can speak and understand Japanese pretty much 99% for everyday usage but I can’t remember Kanji. I find it really boring compared to listening and speaking. What apps/books would you recommend?

>>19124729
Read the OP you banana head.

>>19124718
気色悪いこと言わないでくださるんですか

You all speak Japanese way too formally for 4chan shitters.

わたしはゲイ

なんて丁寧なゲイだ…

When is Japan going to make their language easier for us brainlets?

>>19124766
ほんと

what does this mean?

>運命の歯車!!

>>19124777
そんなことは多分ないと思うよークソ馬鹿外人やろうー

>>19124790
A-arigato anon-san...

>>19124790
ｍｊｋよ

>>19124786
the pleasure of being cummed inside

>>19124782
うん

>>19124843
いいげ

>うん
>ううん

>>19124786
It is just stupid music language.

Is this a title to a song perchance?

>>19124878
no actually it's megaman 11's title

>>19124786
The wheel of fortune man, spin it.

>>19124650
>>19124692
That looks good just put it on my watching list thanks.

>tfw you start sounding less like a silly sympathetic foreigner meddling with the language and more like a retarded/6 year old native

no way to go now except forwards if I want to become respectable again

>>19124934
It has an anime which was great up until the end, since the manga was still going.

>>19124948
Look the part of a JS.

>>19124948
Let me be the judge of that. Post a vocaroo.

Any suggestions on websites/apps to talk to Japanese people? I've tried HelloTalk and Interpals, but they're both pretty garbage. HelloTalk is just people begging for likes and Interpals is nothing but African/Brazilian dudes trying to scam you.

Is learning radicals worth it? I have this retarded fear that it'll prevent me from recognizing words as shapes because I'll be focusing on the individual components of each kanji too much.

>>19125036
That's retarded. There's nothing to worry about. Unless you do RTK, then you have something to worry about.

>>19125034
I've heard real life is pretty good

>>19125091
If real life was an option for me I wouldn't be asking for digital recommendations.

>>19125091
not many japanese people in northern sweden

>>19125099
>Sweden
Talk to Finns. They're Asian enough.

暴風雨
that's a lot of うs

鳳凰
that's a lot of おうs

Reading is going to come faster to you than anything else so why rush it? Prioritize listening and RTK for the first few months then start reading.

>>19125279
>Reading is going to come faster to you than anything else
You don't know Japanese.

>>19125279
Fuck off

>>19125281
Listening is by far the hardest aspect of Japanese. Leave this thread.

>>19125314
Not if you have watched 10000 hours of anime

>>19125314
Nope. I can watch unsubbed anime because I watched 10000 hours of anime, but I'm still illiterate.

>>19125328
>I invested way more time into listening than reading but I still can't read
Anon...

Memes aside, there literally isn't 10000 hours of anime that's worth watching.

>>19125334
Who are you quoting?

>>19125336
looks like someone hasn't discovered family friendly 90s anime

There isn't 1 hour of anime worth watching because vns are superior.

>>19125338
Did you miss the worth watching part?

>>19125349
did you miss the you're dumb part

>>19125340
>Not listening to radio dramas

>>19125357
Smarter than you

>>19125340
>>19125361
>they don't go down to the local Japanese community nihongo center and listen to the soothsayers recite the tales of genji
hurr

>>19125361
Aren't those just drama cds without asmr hentai?

>>19121268
ｏｏｇａ　ｂｏｏｇａ

>>19125336
>implying there isn't
>implying you can't rewatch

>>19125361
>>19125365
>>19125450
Who are you quoting?

>>19125034
italki. You have to pay though.

>>19125457
You need 4chan gold to see the posts

does learning japanese make you want to actually read something like the fate series or does it seem just as boring

>>19125516
I dropped fate stay night before I even started to learn japanese and it's still sitting on my hard drive to this day so probably not

does learning japanese make you want to actually read something like the naurto series or does it seem just as epic

>>19125485
That's the private tutor one isn't it? I've looked at that too.

>>19125554
I think there are 3 different levels: professional tutor, informal tutor, and language exchange. I think the last one is free, but then you have to talk English for half the time.

>>19124652
If you don't plan on living in Japan then I don't see the point in learning to recall how to write the Kanji. Just place the story on the front.

>>19124066
A particle.

あ...お客様...しばくぞ

>>19124230
Are you in a hurry?
If you've never learned a language before, there's no way to answer your question.
All these tables with the number of study hours required to prepare for a particular foreign language exam may make it seem like humans are all the same when it comes to studying languages. Spoiler: we're not.

There's an average number of hours needed to learn a language like Japanese for native English speakers and the deviation probably isn't so gargantuan that you can't estimate by asking others. I hate dumbass reddit answers like "Oh we can't possibly know! My retarded cousin took 1 billion years to learn Japanese and everyone is different!"

cool thanks for the post

>>19124230
Also, in the end you will be less proficient in Japanese than the people taking a Japanese class.
I mean, at first you're going to be miles ahead of them of course, because they will be using shit like Minna no Nihongo. But two years later your studies will plateau and theirs will not, because speaking is essential, no matter what memes you may have heard in this thread.
Learned it the hard way when I was studying English. I use English for basically everything I do, from calculus to anime (for now) and my brain has gotten so used to it I can't tell what language I spoke in my dream when I wake up, but I will always suck at English more than these smug kids from language schools.

There are definitely several grammatical errors in this post.

>>19125790
>I mean, at first you're going to be miles ahead of them of course, because they will be using shit like Minna no Nihongo. But two years later your studies will plateau and theirs will not, because speaking is essential
Is this bait? A reddit post? Both?

>>19125790
>because speaking is essential

>>19125795
Okay, it could be that I'm just retarded and that's the reason why my progress has slowed down considerably over the last two years.
If so, I'm waiting for a counter-example to my statement.

>>19125820
It's true that you have to practice speaking to get good at speaking, but you don't have to do so to get good at the language. In fact, forcing production can be bad for you, because you can memorize slightly wrong/weird grammatical constructions or weird word usages.

>>19125823
> but you don't have to do so to get good at the language
Being able to speak a language well is the definition of "being good at" it.
When your employer asks you to demonstrate your languages skills, he doesn't give a you a passage to read, he expects you to say something.

>>19125850
http://www.sdkrashen.com/

>>19125863
> Stephen Krashen - Wikipedia
> He is known for introducing various hypotheses related to second-language acquisition, including ......
> hypotheses
Discarded.

>>19125882
Okay, have fun not learning today.

>>19125895
You can't learn Japanese.

>>19125967
You don't know Japanese.

>>19125613
Don't do this

>>19124652
Keyword always on front dude

>>19125975
you can't learn japanese

>>19125975
If you don't care about writing/stroke order then why only put the keyword on the front? Why not the story too?

>>19125982
the story tells you what kanji it is
though rtk's method is bullshit in the first place

Put the Kanji on the front and try to recall the story. Nothing else matters.

Does anyone know of any free alternatives to Skritter when it comes to getting some handwriting practice in? I find myself remembering kanji and words much better by actually writing the kanji than just using flashcards alone, but I'm not too fond of having to pay $15/month or $99/year for the extra functionality.

>>19125982
do rtk, don't do rtk, it doesn't matter. but if you choose to do it, actually do it, going through the motions and half-assing it is a complete and total waste of time.

>>19126022
wrong

>>19126021
When you are doing flashcards, write the kanji/word.

>>19126021
a piece of paper and a pencil

>>19126028
Setting your flashcards to white-on-black has better benefits than writing out your reviews.

>>19126024
convincing argument. what does reading the story and reproducing the kanji from it help you memorize? the radicals? you don't to do rtk to learn that.

>>19126040
you don't have to do rtk to use rtk

>>19126033
What does using a dark background have to do with anything?

>>19126042
same

>>19126047
Someone here tested it on themselves. They learned hangul->jiberrish with anki, and nothing they did was statistically significant in increasing retention except for switching from black-on-white cards to white-on-black cards.

>>19126047
https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/137062334/#q137074479

>>19126063
You're remembering wrong, it made no difference. But yeah writing if you're not trying to learn to write is bullshit.

We should make a suicide pact for when we get to DJT #2000.

Where can I get a black theme for anki?

> 夕
> タ
ノット・ディッス・シット・エゲン

look at my shitty handwriting

>>19126169
カ
力
what the fuck bros how am i supposed to tell the difference??????????

Is 昼食 the smug cunt way of saying 昼ご飯 ?
I heard that speaking bastardized Chinese makes you sound educated in Japan.

>>19126218
read more instead of listening to people on mount stupid

>>19126008
This. The skill that's actually of some use is recognising kanji when you see them. Being able to write a kanji from an English keyword is not useful.

あじさいがさいたよ

あじさいがさいた

よ

あかいあかいはながさいたよ

>>19126218
Use 昼餉

>>19126258
I don't recognize kanji, I recognize words.
Japanese is not Chinese, even the exact same combination of kanji can be read differently depending on the context, and sometimes on the moon phase.

>>19126258
>being able to write a kanji is not useful.

我々の妹がもっと白痴になってる見たいですね

>>19126274
>kanji is not useful

>>19126273
Words are written in kanji. If I recognise the kanji that compose a word it's far easier to remember it than trying to remember a whole word as a bunch of unrelated squiggles.

>>19126274
For a beginner? Not at all. Once you know enough Japanese to be writing things you'll know words, and can write those instead.

>>19126309
> to remember a whole word as a bunch of unrelated squiggles.
That's not how remembering works.
If you know the word 図書館, you'll recognize the 館 in 映画館, which will also help you recognize the 画 in 漫画.
Making up "stories" and learning kanji for the sake of learning kanji is a waste of time. Just read more, that's how the Japanese memorize them.

>>19126323
I really won't. I've done reading from about halfway through RTK, and words made of kanji I had done were far easier to remember than ones I hadn't.

>>19126336
> I really won't
If by that you mean "I really won't recognize", then you must have shit retention. In that case doing RTK for a few months is probably the best way.

Is it normal to feel like drowning myself to death rather than doing my reps?

>>19126342
If I'm not looking at them next to one another? Then no, not at all. Might look vaguely familiar but without a "name" for the kanji I wouldn't have any idea where else I'd seen it.

>>19126344
No, no one's forcing you to learn the language. If you feel burnt out just take a break and get back to it when your motivation is back.

joke: rtk is bad because it doesn't teach you japanese
woke: rtk is bad because it makes you really annoying

>>19126323
>If you know the word 図書館, you'll recognize the 館 in 映画館, which will also help you recognize the 画 in 漫画.
No, that's not guaranteed at all. These kanji are just super common. Brain doesn't want to deal with recognizing each part. I can easily read a lot of words like 蒲公英 from the first glance on them but I don't even remember what kanji are there.

テンションが上がる
Is this saying the tension increases or the tension lifts (as in goes away)?
The last one is the only one that makes sense to me in this sentence, because I don't why tension would increase in 好きな時間

>>19126400
I wouldn't recommend interpreting English loanwords according to their meanings in English.

>>19126400
See?
2) is probably what you need

>>19126400
That word is hardly ever used for tension, its used for spirit 99% of the time so in that case "raised spirits"

>>19126400
テンションが上がる = be exited
tension =/= tenshon(テンション)
wasei-eigo

テンションあがってきとぅわー

Protip: バイキング does not mean Norse invaders from the North.

>>19126400
How much Anki had you done when you started playing?
I'm at 600 plus ~50 words picked up from manga and anime, would it be a pain to play it right now?

>>19126448
I'm at 646 mature cards, haven't started mining yet. I only started playing it not long ago so I was probably at about 600 mature cards or so when I started it.
It's not too much of a pain, you'll probably have to do about the same amount of looking up as you do for manga. As long as you use a text hooker that is.

Do you have anything else like this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYdQGkgrN4

>>19121907
Do you have anything else like this one?

https://youtu.be/nPYdQGkgrN4

rtk pdf on djt resources is garbage, is there a better/retail edition? seems like it is only sold as print or apple ibook.

>>19126569
don't get the actual book lol

>>19126493
step into my office my ninja

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCRANwUDobg

>>19126569
What's wrong with it that you expect to be improved by a different edition? The one I got is fine.