/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>19092225
Tenshi is my #1. If for some reason I'm looking through porn and see something of hers I avoid it. Then again this rarely ever happens because I'm a lolicon and theres only a small amount of Touhous that fall under that category, somehow.

>>19092264
>because I'm a lolicon and theres only a small amount of Touhous that fall under that category
What the fuck am I reading here.

>>19092225
I completely avoid it and have never and never will masturbate to her.

>>19092225
Happy, because there's never enough and is fairly (but not extremely) rare. This applies to basically every series I like.

What's non-vanilla and /d/eviant? I think even milk and peeing are /d/ myself, even though they're so common. Vanilla to me just means normal heterosexual sex, although it may involve more than just 2 people. ``Age'' doesn't matter as long as they aren't decrepit trees, fat hairy monsters, or literal babies.

>>19092225
>Also, can any anons who view pornography of their favorite characters as disrespectful to those characters explain this viewpoint?
I pretend that fictional characters are real people, and since I'm pretending they're real people I mentally take into account their fictional preferences and fictional privacy rights.

>>19092305
Well, that's very kind of you.

>>19092225
I don't mind vanilla doujins of my 2hu, but everything else is disgusting to me. I can enjoy just fine things that'd can be considered non vanilla like futa or rape, but just not with my 2hu.

>>19092225
Good and lovely (and in some cases funny rape doujins) porn of your favorite character never comes badly, if you still respect that character having in mind that is only fap material then no problem, but in that case that you only like that character for her hentai, well, is your fetish.

>>19092273
As in a Touhou character that is always depicted as a loli under any and all circumstances.

>>19092225
It really depends on the character or what property she's from. It doesn't feel right to me when it's an innocent/modest character from a work with strong characterization, but if the original design is lewd or if it's a character I don't feel particularly attached to, I'll enjoy it.

As for the "disrespectful" thing, I find that I associate smut with official depictions, as distinguished from one another as they may be. Seeing official depictions will still remind me of porn in the back of my mind, and I'll take the character less seriously as a result. For example, although these aren't characters I care enough to "respect," I've seen enough porn of many Pokémon characters that I've gotten hard from simply playing the games.

>>19092225
Some characters are my favourites because they appeal to some specific fetish of mine. As long as the art is nice I don't mind the content as much, but usually the most disgusting porn has some of the worst art anyway.

>>19092835
By this logic none of the characters are lolis because you always find pic of Suika with bobbies.

>>19092225
Its even worse when its some nonsensical shit where normal humans are somehow overpowering literal maneaters. How am I supposed to enjoy myself when my immersion is broken? Based on the lore of Touhou, every single piece of porn should have the female in the dominant position.

>>19092225
"Shouganai", pretty much. Not that it means I approve of /d/ shit.

As I've grown to love her more and more over the years it has become harder for me to enjoy porn of her. I used to eat it up, but now I just feel guilty if I do. She's so innocent and it has started to make me feel straight up angry when she's depicted as a slut.

I used to care, but that was only on my first years of 4chan. As time went by I unfortunately lost that innocent side.

>>19092225
>/jp/, what is your opinion on seeing porn of your favorite characters?
I enjoy it, especially if it's sweet

When i watched porn i would usually exclude my favourite character from the tags but since when i stopped looking at porn i started to hate every lewd picture i see, even if it isn't my favourite character or a character that i like (and if it is then i immediately hide it)

>>19092225
Anger.
I avoid it.
No. Nothing other than "they should be pure of any lewding. NTR will not be tolerated"
Lewd tags, remember to put an exclusion tag for your favourite (number 1) Touhou.
I can't even jack off to my favourite characters. It just feels wrong and defiles their canon purity.
Happy posts being smiles however.
Lewd;angry
Happy;happy
Guro;Sadness, rage.
Sad;soul wrenching
Indifferent;somewhat happy. Their face is enough to bring a smile
Visably Upset;wary, sad
Ikari;blank

>>19093552
If anything, it's a bunch of stupid shit around purity and loyalty and inability because of the two. Despite going and jacking off to another waifu.
So no. Nothing can be explained.
There are instances where people don't avoid lewds for some characters, but go out of their way to make sure they never see lewds of another for whatever reason though.

>>19092305
Isn't it hotter to see their privacy violated when you think they are real? Humiliation may be cruel, but it's certainly lewd.

>>19092225
I don't like it, especially if those characters are lolis, such as the Luna Child. Yeah, they are immortal and shit, but their minds are still shown to be child-like. It's just cruel, as some of the worst pictures I've come across contain rape and molesting. I have nothing against people's fetishes (well, maybe a little bit) but I just can't accept those myself. It actually awakens sort of a "will to defend" instinct, and always make me want to save them.
Please note, I'm just a sensitive person in general. I do not complain about NSFW art even if I'm disgusted by it, because it would be simply rude.

>>19092913
>I've gotten hard from simply playing the games.
That's because the ones since Diamond and Pearl gen have had this weird kinda date sim feeling to them with some of the character interactions.

>>19093616
Oh shut up.
You know you'd fuck Luna if you had one chance to.
Don't lie to yourself. Fairies were made for lewd. It's Their role as the onaholes of Gensokyo!
Tags exist. Use them.

I only like very fluffy and sweet lewds featuring the actual characters of a work. This isn't just relating to my favorite character, but most characters in any work.

I don't care for faceless self-inserts and dislike them a lot. I would rather read fanworks about the characters that actually exist.

>>19092993
>some nonsensical shit where normal humans are somehow overpowering literal maneaters.

Humans have captured and controlled tigers, bears, and elephants. How is that nonsensical?

>>19093616
The are literally immortal, so I'm not bothered by anything other than canon depictions of them. That meaning people taking their frustrations out on them in the non lewd way. I understand the player does it dozens-hundreds of times per game, but I can't imagine someone being so angry at a fairy that they just fucking beat it to death. A palm sized one might be easy to crush, but imagine the person who hates pollen so much that they're just strangling Lily to death once they find her, her little fairy bullets desperately beating against him, trying to get away. The touhou humans apparently do this on a regular basis to the point the fairies are scared of the village.

>>19092225
Good porn is good porn, no matter who it features. Ive read my share of pretty gnarly 2hu doujins (though none really featuring my favorite character) and if the arts good I really dont care. This doesnt mean I dont respect and care about these characters mind you. Im perfectly capable of separating fap material from my actual feelings about them. I would also be lying if I said I still dont feel some guilt when fapping too Touhou character (especially certain ones). Im perfectly okay with people not wanting too lewd their favorite characters, though I dont like when they claim that people who do are awful fans.

>>19093616
The are literally immortal, so I'm not bothered by anything other than canon depictions of them. That meaning people taking their frustrations out on them in the non lewd way. I understand the player does it dozens-hundreds of times per game, but I can't imagine someone being so angry at a fairy that they just fucking beat it to death. A palm sized one might be easy to crush, but imagine the person who hates pollen so much that they're just strangling Lily to death once they find her, her little fairy bullets desperately beating against them, trying to get away. The touhou humans apparently do this on a regular basis to the point the fairies are scared of the village.

>>19093720
I understand your point, and I agree. I am bothered by the canon anger venting towards fairies too. However, that doesn't mean I wouldn't be bothered by lewd-stuff. The non-lewd nsfw stuff is only hinted in the lore, and we never actually see it. That's different with lewd fan art
I do not bother so much about "nice lewd" stuff, although I try to avoid it, since everybody is usully volunteered and happy in those. The "lewd" stuff I don't especially like is little but connected to the canon depictions of fairies, and by that I mean the stuff featuring rape, guro, etc. That kind of lewd stuff, to me, seems as cruel as the things you mentioned earlier.
I mean yes, they are immortal, but they still look and act like small children. I am simply unable to understand how someone would want to depict them getting hurt or raped, and have no problems in the head.

Sorry for my rambling. I'm not a native English speaker and I'm also tired, so my posts might be a bit hard to read.

>>19092225
I enjoy deviant porn of characters I like more than of characters I don't. There are exceptions, of course. A dark and heavy rape story of my almost-waifu might turn me on, but I'll still feel sad for them. That is that, this is this.
I'm not so impressionable as to let deviant doujins color my opinion of my favorites either. That's just silly.

>>19093705
>Im perfectly okay with people not wanting too lewd their favorite characters, though I dont like when they claim that people who do are awful fans.
This, this right here.

I don't like nasty deviant porn at all, whenever i come across stuff like that it just makes me feel sorry for the artist.

>>19092225
How are we qualifying non-vanilla or /d/eviant porn? That can mean a very wide range of things.

>>19093830
>I mean yes, they are immortal, but they still look and act like small children
I really hate the idea of "eternal children". Because something was once young doesn't mean it's young forever. You can call them retards, but children is wrong. They're nature spirits exposed to natural things like sex for eons.

>I am simply unable to understand how someone would want to depict them getting hurt or raped,
I hate this idea too, because it subtly implies hurting and raping adults is more normal or acceptable than doing it to "children".

the more loli-ish girls i find weird like Tewi, yeah she's 1600 or something but she still has a child like body

but if its someone like Byakuran then I don't really mind because shes has bewbs in the game and doesn't have the more Loli-ish body.

>>19092225
Porn is where the distinction between fiction and reality comes out for me. Everyone has their own interpretation of a character and that includes how they want to use them in their story.

As far as content goes I'm more drawn to the characters I like and thus know more about. However I'm not a fan of the deviant tags in the first place which makes my favorites being involved less of a factor than the content itself.

I fap to Yukari's futa dick every single day

>>19093915
>I really hate the idea of "eternal children". Because something was once young doesn't mean it's young forever. You can call them retards, but children is wrong. They're nature spirits exposed to natural things like sex for eons.
If you see it like that, then go for it, you may be right. My views about fairies being like eternal children may be wrong, but I still like to see them that way.

>I hate this idea too, because it subtly implies hurting and raping adults is more normal or acceptable than doing it to "children".
I am not trying to imply that raping adults is more acceptable. I was merely talking about how I felt about seeing child-like characters being raped. Because I don't like x, it does not mean I would accept y. Please do not draw such heavy implications. I do not fap to rape of adult 2hus, or to Touhou porn in general.

>>19093871
Vanilla is porn that doesn't cater to a fetish (more in the clinical definition of requiring or preferring a non-sexual focus for arousal). Oral would be vanilla, anal would be vanilla, missionary would be vanilla, bondage would be non-vanilla, shoes or footwear would be non-vanilla, rape would be non-vanilla, etc. /d/eviant would be things like vore, giantess, tentacle, nekomimi, monstergirl, etc.

Not really opposed to lewds of any touhou but stories about protags making the entirety of gensokyo their harem is a big turn off

>>19095639
Same.

>>19095542
What an incredibly puritan definition. Rape is non-sexual focus?

>>19095639
Same. I like individual Touhous getting ruined for life, but not ALL of them. Apocalypses are not sexy.

>>19097471
Who're you calling a puritan? Yes, rape would be a non-sexual focus because, as a fetish, the arousal results from the objectification and resistance/powerlessness the victim puts up/feels, meaning it relies on a non-sexual focus for arousal. Here's another question, /jp/, since the majority consensus in this thread seems to be "it's okay as long as it's sweet/lovey-dovey", how would you feel about your favorite 2hu being involved in consensual rape fantasies? Meaning that the 2hu is enacting a fantasy of rape, but it's not actually rape.

>>19098074
I would feel the same way as >not blood related in an incest work

>>19098258
Take it that you didn't like Eromanga Sensei that much.

>>19098074
>Yes, rape would be a non-sexual focus because, as a fetish, the arousal results from the objectification and resistance/powerlessness the victim puts up/feels, meaning it relies on a non-sexual focus for arousal.
What about mood altering drugs? That would be considered rape. Is teh focus on the drugs?
What about tentacle rape and gangrapes where the focus is just on the girl being penetrated over and over?
What about comical rape by overly horny pervert creepy(like the crazed lesbo type character or yandere female friend/secret admirer)?
What about pushed-down-by-an-animal bestiality rape? (well I guess that one is /d/)
What about tricked/taken advantage of ignorance rape?

>>19098281
I barely watch anime, didn't watch that, and from the synopsis wouldn't be an anime I would even think of touching.

>>19098074
You can't have rape without sex or sexual activities. It's ridiculous to label it as non-sexual.

>consensual rape fantasies
...what? Like the characters are roleplaying or fantasizing about whatever the porn is about? No, I'm not into that. A level too deep for my tastes, and doesn't seem necessary at all.

>>19098286
A lot of those fall into a grey area, on one hand, any of those scenarios or factors could be fetish focused, but they could also be pornographic to people without the fetish. Guess there was a bit of projection in that last post.

>>19098378
It would remove any guilt or cognitive dissonance from the fantasy, by making it a-ok.

>>19093616
cuck.

I hate to go in sanae threads since everyone there keeps bashing sanae of being a slut, but besides sakuyafags' autism, I just avoid looking for porn of her, sometimes i don't mind ecchi sutff

>>19099179
>everyone there keeps bashing sanae
wut? Sanaefags there now are now oversensitive that you say anything bad about Sanae and you have hundreds of white knights after your ass.

>>19099275
yeah that's literally every tofu girl bud. the difference is that one autist who shitposts in the sanae thread every couple hours. and everyone still falls for it.

i mean you're not wrong, but you're implying these white knights are unprovoked, which isn't true.

>>19099275
There's been anons over there who slutshame Sanae. /jp/'s bike, used goods, crap like that. They're probably just jelly of /ourmiko/ (or would that be Reimu?).

>>19099492
This.

>>19099492
>>19099509
Yeah, but people were doing that for years. Unpleasent true but one would say that you would grow a thicker skin.

>>19099509
>/ourmiko/

sanae is everyone's girl

>>19093616
what an idiot. she has bandaids in her hair.

>>19099509
this is a bad post, you should feel bad for writing such normalfag garbage, and as Sanae's husband I feel a strong secondhand embarrassment for you.

Is breasts obsession and paizuri deviant fetish?

>>19092225
What the fuck kind of question is that? Of course I love it, as it means that not only enough people share my good taste, but I can also fap to them more efficiently. Even if it's the kind of thing I'm not into I don't care at all, as it still means those artists like those characters enough to express their love for them in their own way.
I can't even begin to understand what kind of self-deprecating normalfag mindset would make someone sad or angry knowing that there's porn of a character they like. How the fuck did people like that become so numerous recently anyway?
Don't mind the image, I just felt like posting it for some reason I'm not aware of.

>>19092225
Perverted stuff has always been part of otaku culture so what would be the point of getting bothered by the fact that talented Japanese people have lewd thoughts about Satori? If anything I should feel glad that they have the same preferences as me and how they're willing to dedicate their time to producing art I can masturbate to. And to find that sort of thing "disrespectful", are you serious?

Also, I believe this image fits this thread.

>>19100226
Yes, giant oversize breasts, breast expansion, fattiness, nipple fucking, non-pregnant milk making, baby roleplay, putting breasts on prepubescents, and wanting to fuck a breast instead of a pussy are deviant.

>>19100606
Thankfully we're all deviants here.

I generally don't mind the porn, I don't have much trouble compartmentalizing material an taking it for what it is. I have ideas in my mind of what the characters are 'supposed' to be like and if they're acting out of character, all that means is that I can't take it seriously; seeing as it's porn, that really doesn't matter because I'm not taking it seriously anyway.

I've recently been browsing gallons of sadpanda /d/-tier porn for reference material for a writing project, and I've run into a lot of characters I like behaving completely out of character. I don't mind, mainly because I'm easily soothed by the fact that they're cute. I'm not a deep man.

I welcome it, since it's meaningless. The only thing that will offend me is characters I like acting OOC in fanworks. Like the Wife Seija series. That's awful!

>>19092273
Definite loli characters in Touhou. no uncertain terms:

Rumia
Daiyousei
Cirno
Remi
Flan
Chen
Lily White
Suika
Tewi
Medicine
Suwako
Kisume
Satori
Koishi
Eternity
Sunny Milk
Luna Child
Star Sapphire

Debatable or straight up NOT lolis:
everyone else

>>19101632
posted Clappy, didn't list Clappy, sugoi

>>19092225
>/jp/, what is your opinion on seeing porn of your favorite characters?
Thank you for saying "favorite characters" instead of "waifu". I hate the normalfags that have raped that slang.

>>19101634

not a real 2hu

im always glad to see my favourite character in anything, people who care about their waifus being denigrated are idiots

Imagine getting mad at porn. Is that something people seriously do these days unironically?

>>19101726
>>19101719
Clearly you've never encountered AC[autism_prevention]K. I'm misspelling it deliberately because he's the type who monitors archives for mentions of his name.

>>19100345
Alright, this and >>19100249 's pic related seem enough to /thread. Thanks, folks.

>>19101632
What makes Youmu, Wriggle, Nazrin, Kyouko, Kosuzu, Shinmyoumaru, Clownpiece, Narumi and Joon not lolis?

>>19100606
I'm a simple guy so normal boobs are good enough for me. Nice list though.

There's this one panel, I assume from a doujinshi, that features an mental basket case of an artist who was both obsessed with Youmu and aghast at porn having an anxiety attack over boothing at Comiket.

Does anyone remember or have the panel I'm talking about?

>>19102528
>Clownpiece
>>19101634
>posted Clappy, didn't list Clappy, sugoi
As in I forgot.

And I said in no uncertain terms. Youmu, to the best of my knowledge, is an adolescent in body shape rather than a prepubescent girl. Wriggle never gave be an impression any particular way. Nazrin's always given me an impression similar to Youmu, as has Kyouko. Kosuzu was a child, but over FS's run and indeed by now is a late teenager/young adult, Joon never gave me the impression she's supposed to be physically immature, just short. Narumi? What?

Shinmyoumaru is probably the toughest debate, but the way she's been drawn across entries she just seems diminutive to me. Well, a dwarf of a kind. I personally don't see her as a "loli", and have seen many depictions in fanworks suggesting I'm not alone on that front. Not even talking about massive tits Shimmy as any Touhou character can and will be drawn with massive tits at some point, but really I've personally at least always thought of her as just small.

>>19105579
>Narumi? What?
Just in case someone misinterprets this, since I realize it could be misinterpreted, this is disbelief, not lack of recognition. Why would you think of earlobes as a loli character?

>>19105579
>>19102528
Oh he's one of those "only 6 year olds are lolis" pedo types.

>>19106495
classic anon

>>19106495
No.

It really, really depends. The more I like a character, the worse I'll feel about deviant stuff happening to them. There's a certain cutoff where it becomes completely unsexy and my tastes swing towards vanilla for porn. In particular, there's only one character that I won't look for porn of. Not because I never want to think lewd thoughts of her, but I want them to be more personal and I only enjoy cute images of her. Maybe I've just become weird, I don't entirely understand it.

While I don't like porn of her, I know I've looked at porn of characters that other people certainly love without a care, and sometimes people draw terrible things of characters they love. Even if I don't like it, it'd be unfair for me to judge it as disrespectul.

>>19101632
You're aware that under ZUN's art basically every single character is a loli, right? Whether they got more popular as lolis or well-developed girls in fandom is literally irrelevant, thus getting this autistic about this theme in particular is really fucking retarded.
Just fucking fap to whichever doujinshi features whichever hu you fancy as a loli and ignore the ones that have them big if you don't like that. There's this great manga with a loli Reimu even though she's usually depicted as a normal teenager, and there's also this lewd manga with a huge Satori having sex with a horse. There's nothing wrong with either of them. Stop being stupid. That's just how Touhou works, if you don't like that then move on to another fandom.
And while all of you you are at that stop whining about characters being sexualized too, 2hus have been getting lewded ever since before most of you started using the internet. Your personal opinions are worthless. Learn to just fucking ignore the things you dislike for whatever dumb reason.

>>19109513
Even with his art, he's described girls as being older teenagers before. for ages he's given, he even said Yumemei was 18 in her profile, that Shiyuri was 15, and had Sakuya as self describing herself as an older teenager. (Though he originally said between somewhere between 10 and 20)

>>19110005
Loliness isn't defined by age only, having a childish appearance also counts. Even Yukari the hagmaster looks like a kid in PCB.

>>19109513
>You're aware that under ZUN's art basically every single character is a loli, right?
I bet you're one of those normalfag retards that doesn't even know what a loli is.

>>19110170
Are you? Pay closer attention to the things you say and the images you post.
My point is that your perception of which characters are loli or not is entirely based on the fandom's reception of them, despite the fact that ZUN tends to draw them with enough childish characteristics that
>in a fundamental, essential or basic manner
all of them can be seen as loli-type characters. That's why getting autistic about this point of Touhou's character design in particular is fucking retarded.

>>19110107
Someone who, for example, "looks 16" does not look like a loli. Chiyuri is an example of someone who looks like a loli, but if Sakuya can say she's an older teen and people buy it then she looks like an older teen.

>>19104824
I want to know this too so I'm bumping

>>19101632
>Satori

>>19106495
Suck his cock dude.
You sound really extremely gay.

>>19092225
Very. Fucking. Interested.

I look forward to any non-vanilla Idolm@ster Million Live non-vanilla fan artworks and doujins, ESPECIALLY bondage.

Check out pic related's pixiv. It's one of the non vanilla im@s ml fanartist out there.

>>19092225
It's good when they stay in character.