/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Posting a better version before this gets deleted.

You mother fuckers fed me a load of cat shit! You told me that I could take the verbal version of the JLPT, and that's what I wanted to do because I've focused almost entirely on verbal Japanese, but when I went to take the test and told my test proctor, she said I couldn't only take the verbal version and acted confused, so I had to sit through all the first two parts, and I just hoped that by not filling the answer sheet out for those, then I would only be graded on the listening, but then when we got to the listening part, THE INSTRUCTIONS WERE ALL IN JAPANESE! What the fuck! Why did the listening section need to test your ability to read in Japanese, and why didn't anyone here tell me that? But I tried it anyways, and I just checked my scores, and you know what? I FAILED BECAUSE YOU MOTHER FUCKERS LIED TO ME! This has completely ruined my life. I had to pass this test for qualifications I needed for this program in order to move to Japan so I could live my life, BUT YOU GUYS RUINED MY LIFE! I HATE ALL OF YOU!

>>19098230
To be fair you can find all/most of those books in the COR, with audio files if needed.

Shit OP, very funny picture though.

Hope this thread is about Japanese rather than debating about the images...

Did you ever drink ヨングルーチョ?

どようび

きょうはなにしてあそぶ？

>>19098251
Even when you pirate them they're still worse than Tae Kim plus reading.

>>19098297
Why Tae Kim? Why not just start reading?

>>19098230
>$120
What the fuck is in that shit to warrant that kind of money?

>>19098340
Because it helps a little and it's easy to get through (unlike a textbook).

>>19098226
I feel like this roadmap overemphasizes paid resources, under-emphasizes free resources (Tae Kim, Imabi, Sakubi, Google itself, etc), and is generally so narrow in scope as to be not very useful, since one cannot learn Japanese through textbooks alone. This chart doesn't include any mention of vital supplementary resources such as Anki or dictionaries such as Jisho, JDIC, or even grammar dictionaries like the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar series.

Additionally, following a "roadmap" of textbooks is more likely to end with someone getting sick of Japanese, rather than successfully learning it. The goal of language learning should always be abandoning textbooks as soon as possible and getting into consuming native material. A successful learn will likely be abandoning textbooks at around the N3 level (which is coincidentally about where Tae Kim leaves off) to instead focus on consuming comprehensible input while referencing dictionaries, Google, and so on upon encountering language they don't know. The most surefire way to end a language learning journey in failure is to buy a boatload of textbooks and then try to stick with them until you know the language. It's important to remember that textbooks don't teach you the language, they build a foundation for you to jump off of into real native material. Someone trying to learn all the way to N1 level Japanese through a roadmap such as this will find learning Japanese a slow and unenjoyable process.

Here is a Grammar-learning roadmap which I believe will be far, far more effective than the original one posted

>>19098356
You can't (afford to) learn Japanese

I'm not good at coming up with content to read... I can't play VNs at the moment but can read manga. For someone that finished TK/Genki 2, what would you recommend that you actually like? I was thinking Crayon Shin Chan, since I like comedy.

>>19098412
お前の大好き漫画ならいいだよね

I need recommendations of a good japanese children book. Something like that the little prince?

>>19098470
キミの好むマンガ

>>19098470
Just get the Pibo app

>>19098470
The Little Price in Japanese ;)

君のすきマンコ

マンコの漫画もいいだろ

>>19087641
in no particular order

to tell each other we dont know japanese
to ask for translations
to ask really poor questions about things we have no business even trying to read
to name drop foreigners who know/dont know japanese that try to make money "teaching" japanese
to talk about flashcards
to say わたしはゲイ
to link nice raps from nippon no kuni
to repost shit from reddit
to call everything reposts from reddit
to name call and tell each other to kill ourselves
to continue the neverending quest of figuring out what the fuck a 出撃 is
to ask for tech support
to post really fuckin bad nihongo
to post about how much of a god lick-g is
to ask for visual game/manga/light novella recommendations
to define what is or is not reading
to argue or pretend to argue about english
to talk about the jlpt
to ask you what this dude is saying https://streamable.com/gunpv
to ask if you mother fuckers are genki yet
to constantly bicker over day one shit
to complain generally
to remember the kanji
to ask for free stuff
to provide free stuff
to get triggered by thread ops
to post how fuckin おなかすいた i am

to mislead and deceive the unsuspecting and convincing them to do really weird and useless things instead of just learning nihongo

>>19098487
あなし、すき？
あなたのタイプ？

>>19098520
Actually a good post

>>19098412
No you can't read manga. Manga isn't reading.
And why are you learning Japanese if you have nothing you want to read? dont answer that btw i dont actually want to know

>>19098525
俺のタイプは君だ

>>19098540
mostly to play games not released here or that release later. guess i could play some early DQ games.

Ok, so since it's a shit thread I'll ask a shitty question too, please forgive me.

https://youtu.be/PzhL9QXiZMg?t=3m7s
Could you guys please transcribe the text past "nani kore"? From what I understand there are no walls in the toilet as per 4000 years of Chinese tradition and Hatate refuses to use it because she would be exposed; but I'm missing like 30-40% of the words and it's pissing me off to no end. It's not included in the lyrics/booklet as far as I've checked.

>>19098473
>>19098476
>>19098481
Thanks. Especially that Pibo app is really helpful.

>>19098540
What you guys are referring to as reading manga, is in fact, reading the text in manga, or as I've recently taken to calling it, manga plus reading. Reading manga is not reading itself, but rather another action that causes full functioning reading to happen, made useful by the printed words, optional furigana, and vital visual components comprising comprehensible input as defined by Stephen Krashen.

Many Japanese learners realize modified version of the reading method every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of reading which is widely used today is often called "reading manga", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically reading, according to the consumption of text.

There really is manga, and these people are consuming it, but it is just a part of the method they use. Manga is the medium: the text in the material that causes language acquisition within the reader's mind. The text is an essential part of a reading experience, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete comprehensible context. Manga is normally used in combination with the reading method: the whole package is basically reading with manga added, or reading/manga. All the so-called "manga" methods are really methods of reading/manga.

>>19098565
because reading is not reading i did not read

>>19098545
Oh god you just gave me flashbacks to that youtube japanese teacher stumbling through dragon quest.

also buttbat

>>19098542
だいすき

>>19098520

to yu wakede minna genki?

>>19098668
You thread is deceased for a reason.

>>19098369
Pretty much this. Once you have a good idea of how Japanese works you can just start "learning as you go" like you did with English.

>>19098777
if you get butthurt this easily then maybe you shouldn't ask stupid questions

int djt might be deceased but whats being done here is necrophilia :P

>>19098914
not even close

>>19098914
no more like gangrape except you're also raping yourself at the same time so you're part of the gang too

>>19098547
I guess nobody knows Japanese here afterall.

>>19098226
>>19098369
The thread these posts are from is full of eternal dekinais unironically defending sticking to formal grammar instruction all the way through N1. It's quite a sight to behold. At this rate, no matter how bad DJT gets, it will always be better than /r/learnjapanese.

>>19098920
its dead dude when i grab it by the hips they dont even move on their own anymore

>>19098928
wheres the gang

>>19098939
sorry dude i aint interested in that shit you linked

俺様はこのスレがいらない
一匹狼だから

へー

>>19098894
How is asking for clarification on a definition stupid?

>>19098944
reddit seems to be more focused on JPLT rather than actually learning japanese so let the textbook grind their way to N3 and then give up.

How do you check what level you're currently at?

>>19099006
There are no levels in language learning my friend

>>19098944
And yet one hero still valiantly fights against them amidst a storm of downvotes.

>>19099011
A better question would be - if I want to take JPLT test for fun or curiosity, how should I pick which level?

>>19099006
When you can read japanese dictionaries unaided for new words, you're no longer a beginner.

>>19099017

>>19099025
can you learn japanese solely through music

>>19099031
music is good because it's hypnotic and it helps you figure out how japanese sounds connect to each other
and if you listen to rock operas on loop like I do you can learn a few pieces of obscure vocab or grammar
it's bad for anything else though

>>19099031
Only the right kind of music.

>>19098971
because it's trivial as fuck
the word itself is pretty self-explanatory and more importantly, you could just use jisho

>>19099031
no but if you listen to real ninja shit its like taking a supplement to help pick up the slack in your frankly lackluster diet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGMKzRMDebo#t=30

>>19098230
Stop reading Tae Kim. Go Imabi or go home.

Stop reading any of that dumb grammar shit period.

Just read and read and read some more. Listen as much as you can. Then you will acquire the language. Nobody acquires language by memorizing seemingly arbitrary rules. Fucking retards.

>>19099031
i just learned nihongoese by watching lots of animes lol

>>19099073
imabi is exceptionally bad for beginners

>>19099090
suggoi desune

>>19099088
At precisely what point did you start reading? As in, what did you do before it? Be honest.

>>19098226
Shit OP. Abandon thread

>>19099106
I haven't started reading yet. Currently doing RTK.

>>19099110
You're doing it wrong.

>>19099108
ohsakini dohzo bakusyoh

Can you say someone is アホ if their 頭のネジが緩い?

>>19099110
>doesn't know Japanese
>thinks he knows the best way to acquire Japanese because he spent all his time listening to hacks like Stephen Krashen and Steve Kaufman instead of learning Japanese

うつくしい人が不人情で、冬瓜の水膨れのような人が善良な君子なのだから、油断が出来ない。

Who invented counters? I want to punch him in the neck.

>>19099111
>>19099144
The double steves, khatz, and matt know better than any of you and I trust them.

>>19099144
>hacks like Stephen Krashen and Steve Kaufman
Krashen is literally the opposite of a hack. He's responsible for the current standard of the academic understanding of language acquisition.

>>19099153
Neither Steve recommends doing RTK before you know what it's doing for you.

For those who did KKLC, did you use any supplementary material like Anki with it?

>>19099158
As long as you do it at a reasonable pace and you don't get stuck on it, it's virtually impossible to "misuse" KKLC. Don't worry about what you do with it on the side, and don't track your stats.

>>19099154
That's true, but his ideas are outdated today. They were outdated in the 80s.

>>19099168
No.

How the fuck did people learn Japanese 20 years ago?

>>19099172
By immersion.

>>19099174
lol

>>19099152
its really no more or less complicated than something like counting to 1000 in hundreds and noting the different sounds in how you say them

dont worry about "counters" as a concept

>>19099168
Not a single development has overturned the input hypothesis. Every single study claiming to do so does so based on bad science. Whenever someone does a meta-analysis of acquisition research they find that papers claiming the input hypothesis is wrong are either impossible to replicate or their statistics actually show that comprehensible input is not worse than other methods, and that their overturning the input hypothesis was based on a misunderstanding of the semantics of comprehensible input.

>>19099172
>>19099174
They took some mediocre class and moved to Japan (?).

Did people evne want to learn Japanese outside of military/government/academic or business needs back then? Only example I can think of the top of my head is Japanese film expert Donald Richie who lived there for decades but allegedly never learn to read or write.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Richie

>>19099172
Pure autism or they just moved to fucking nipland.

>>19099172
a lot of hot summer days sitting cross legged on the floor feeling my balls sticking to my leg flipping through a kanji dictionary to play the latest imports on my modded sony playstation

also the internet still existed and was in way better shape because the whole world wasnt on it totally ruining it yet

>>19099247
For some reason I still think 20 years ago = 80s.

>>19099254
i think in the 80s you had to have known someone to get you into shit

usually "that guy" from your dungeons and dragons group

>>19099191
There is plenty to take issue with the input hypothesis on a theoretical basis. See http://faculty.ucmerced.edu/khakuta/LAU/ICLangLit/NaturalApproach.htm and its references, Gregg and McLaughlin for rebuttals. To claim that "the input hypothesis is wrong" is strange since the input hypothesis itself doesn't seem to be a well-defined, falsifiable theory. The research cited in favor of the input hypthosis was distorted or misunderstood by Krashen, at least in the 80s when those rebuttals were written. Obviously, more research has been done by now and the evidence may be in favor of the input hypothesis at this point. I'm not a linguist, so I don't know. No amount of evidence can fix the problems with the theory, though (why *can't* "learning" become "acquisition"? does that dichotomy actually exist? why doesn't output count as a form of input (do we somehow ignore our own utterances)? what precisely does he mean by i (he bases natural order on morpheme acquisition studies but apparently natural order includes more language constructs than just morphemes. What is his evidence for that?) why is learning strictly relegated to the role of monitor? can't we use conscious knowledge for comprehension (yes, we can)? etc. etc.)

>>19099377
>There is plenty to take issue with the input hypothesis on a theoretical basis.

The input hypothesis is applied linguistics, not theoretical linguistics.

>To claim that "the input hypothesis is wrong" is strange since the input hypothesis itself doesn't seem to be a well-defined, falsifiable theory.

The "input hypothesis" is a VERY well-defined theory. It posits, in summary:

- That there's some kind of "acquisition" which indicates language ability, but conscious academic of study seems to be bad at giving
- That consuming linguistic information that you understand, called "input", results in acquisition

Both of which are testable and falsifiable points, and which studies continually show to have some reflection in reality, even if that reflection is not as theoretically stated.

>The research cited in favor of the input hypthosis was distorted or misunderstood by Krashen
Nope.

http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/1978-_the_inner_game_of_tennis_and_language_acquisition.pdf
http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/2014_lao_and_krashen._language_acquisition_without_speaking_and_study.pdf
http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/case_for_comprehensible_input.pdf
http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/2004_applying_the_comprehension_hypothesis_krashen.pdf
http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/2015_krashen_tprs-_contributions,_problems,_new_frontiers,_and_issues.pdf
http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/2015__end_of_motivation.pdf

>Obviously, more research has been done by now and the evidence may be in favor of the input hypothesis at this point. I'm not a linguist, so I don't know.

You do not understand the field of applied linguistics enough to be having this conversation.

>No amount of evidence can fix the problems with the theory, though

The hypothesis is a description of the evidence against other hypotheses (the output hypothesis, the skill building hypothesis, etc). It is not a theoretical presentation.

>why *can't* "learning" become "acquisition"? does that dichotomy actually exist?

He doesn't say it can't help. He says that learning and acquisition are different things. The division between learning and acquisition comes from the effects that academic language instruction has on language learners. The argument is that making students memorize grammar patterns does not result in being able to accurately and fluidly use them in conversations, which is obviously true.

>why doesn't output count as a form of input (do we somehow ignore our own utterances)?

Different parts of the brain do different things for comprehension and generation. Neurolinguistics knows this. Generative linguistics knows this. Applied linguistics knows this. This isn't even up for argument.

>what precisely does he mean by i

The i means literally nothing.

>he bases natural order on morpheme acquisition studies

You cannot acquire a grammatical morpheme without at least partially acquiring the grammar rules associated with them.

>but apparently natural order includes more language constructs than just morphemes. What is his evidence for that?

Generative linguistics and acquisition studies show that grammar and phrase patterns are language features just like morphemes are. There is no reason for morphemes to be treated as special for the purpose of studying language acquisition. There may very well be particular grammar patterns or phrase structures that fall outside of a "natural order", but the "natural order" hypothesis is itself one of the things that the input hypothesis fights against: the natural order, while there, is amorphous and not perfectly knowable. It's slightly different for every idiolect and household.

On that note, "i+1" doesn't refer to things that contain a "single unknown", it refers to things that are ready to be acquired because they contain little enough amounts of un-acquired language features to be understood and learned from. You can 100% acquire のだ and のか before acquiring the specific grammatical function of の on its own in those phrases.

>>19099377
>>19099458
>why is learning strictly relegated to the role of monitor? can't we use conscious knowledge for comprehension (yes, we can)? etc. etc.)

The argument is not that learning is relegated only to the monitor, the argument is that learning only guarantees accessibility in the monitor. One can certainly acquire something they've learned; it's just very difficulty to turn learning into acquisition without input, or outside of your particular natural order, and learning a particular thing doesn't necessarily help you acquire it. While it's true that Krashen is excessively grammar-negative, he is not grammar-negative in the sense that he thinks learners should never have any intentional "learning" at all. In fact, he's very supportive of methods that go "by the way, X means Y" to increase comprehension. The strong stance against grammar studies is specifically against the Grammatical Syllabus and the associated drills.

Basically: You don't know linguistics. You don't even know enough about the input hypothesis to argue about it without saying that it says things it doesn't say.

Daily reminder that if you are learning Japanese for any reason than to watch unsubbed JAV's you will not make it.

>>19099494
but I'm a homo and moreover have literally less than 0% interest in disgusting 3D humans, male or female

>>19099494
if theres mosaic over the pussy who cares if theres mosaic over the nihongo

>>19098275
エロゲーだぜ

Wow, look at all this Japanese learning. Sugoi.

>>19099017
I downvoted all his comments because I know he's right but I don't want Reddit to change

>>19099587
Your negativity only makes him stronger.

>>19099591
I should invite him here

>>19099597
he learned Japanese here tho

did lowercase kun make sakubi? this feels like a fit... only the most productive poster in this thread could make a guide this useful and to the point

>>19099610
i post in lowercase sometimes but i'm not "lowercase kun"

we are all lowercase kun on this blessed day

we are better than reddit guys be proud of it

>>19099610
>did lowercase kun make sakubi?
No, he just constantly shitposts all day and gets away with it because hes a janitor.

you guys got issues

>>19099152
I fucking hate it. When I randomly hear someone using a counter I never understand what the fuck they just said. It takes me a while to figure out that the word was a weird counter I've never heard before or have forgotten.

What exactly is AJATT, where is the nigger who made it and why the fuck is that arrogant-sounding white dude always singing its praises on Youtube?

Is it really a good method or is it just a meme?

>>19099681
It's a pile of bullshit laid on top of the only method that actually works. If you do AJATT you'll learn japanese, but you can just skip all the bullshit and only do the part that works instead.

>>19099681
dont say the n word or i will destroy you

>>19099681
Khatz cited Stephen Krashen as the expert whose work his own is based on in one of the interview videos Khatz did on that fat white guy's youtube channel. So basically just get a lot of input and you'll learn Japanese.

>>19099685
What parts are the bullshit, though? As far as I know, the method consists on using RTK for two months, learning basic grammar after you're done with it and isolating yourself from the English language as much as possible.

I don't want to be memed into wasting years of my life doing worthless shit that will get me nowhere in the language.

>>19099702
>What parts are the bullshit, though? As far as I know, the method consists on using RTK for two months,
That part is bullshit.

>learning basic grammar after you're done with it
Valid.

>and isolating yourself from the English language as much as possible.
This part is bullshit. You merely need to have a lot of input. You don't need to remove English from your life, not even close.

>>19099705
but it is important that nihongo time is entirely nihongo time and not flip flop between eigo and nihongo time

>>19099681
>listen to 4 hours long podcasts of Japanese reporters talking about some zoo and try to grasp whatever you can

>>19099712
You can look stuff up in an E-J dictionary if that's what you're implying you can't do. But it's true that your Japanese time shouldn't be, like, laced with English definition insertions from a parser or anything. And you shouldn't use bilingual readers past your very first few days reading.

>>19099702
Everything you listed is pretty much fine albeit some people think RTK is a waste of time and you'd be better off just learning readings. Also not sure what that other anon is on about since less English = more Japanese input, which means you're learning Japanese faster. Khatz himself says that for many people English is unavoidable because of school or work and the goal is to just get as much exposure to Japanese as possible.

>>19099722
Reading for 10 hours a day is not very different from reading 9 hours a day. Each bit of input you consume continuously has diminishing results until you take a break (e.g. going to sleep). If you're actually consuming as much Japanese as you need to consume to learn Japanese, having an hour or two of English in your life isn't going to make you learn Japanese any slower.

>>19099705
So basically, start reading shit in Japanese and force yourself not to rely on English translations for your otaku hobbies, right?

>>19099728
Yes. For example, you can switch to doing doujinshi and manga in Japanese very early on (much earlier than it seems like you can.) because the translations for them are basically terrible and you'll understand more from the Japanese.

>>19099726
>having an hour or two of English in your life isn't going to make you learn Japanese any slower.
Probably not, but if you're only inputting 2 hours of English per day I'd say you're pretty far into AJATT territory.

>>19099739
Do you know Japanese?

>>19099741
Not at all.

>>19099742
Please don't try to have this conversation then.

>>19099744
But you don't have to know Japanese to know that 12 hours of Japanese input per day is massive input.

>>19099750
I know, but your intuition about language learning isn't well-developed enough to tell exactly what AJATT is conveying when it says "isolating yourself from the English language as much as possible" or whatever.

>>19099736
Is it OK to keep the English translated version on a different tab so you can know what the fuck they are talking about and THEN try to read the entire page in Japanese?

Or is it more engaging, memorable and easy to remember if you force yourself to look up all the kanji, words and sentence structures without knowing what the hell they are saying? Does the frustration of not understanding the "story" in a 20 pages long doujinshi help you stay motivated and improve your retention by forcing you to actively look up shit?

I suspect that lookin at the English translation every 20 seconds and getting the gist of what they are saying in Japanese (even if the translation is bad) could make the process of slowly figuring out a sentence feel much less rewarding and even encourage you to skip hard parts too often because you can't be bothered.

>>19099768
The english translations of doujinshi and manga are so bad that, if your Japanese is good enough to glean how they were translated, they're just going to confuse you. Doujinshi translations often border on being unfaithful rewrites, and manga translations usually cut out random stuff because the translator didn't understand what it was doing, or contain massive English grammatical errors. Doing parallel translation-raw reading of anything else is torture, unless it's built into a VN like it is with Nekopara (Nekopara basically functions as a bilingual reader because of this).

So basically there's nowhere you should bother doing it unless it's obvious.

>黄色いザーメンが[...]
wtf

>>19099768
Also if you're reading print material, forcing yourself to look everything up is a really bad idea. Try to figure out what's going on, and what they're "saying", first. Then you can try to figure out what they're Literally saying. If you can't, move on. You should, of course, occasionally read things that give you quick dictionary access, to cover all your bases, but that's a different problem. My favorite example of this is with comedy manga meant for middle schoolers. They're so easy to understand that you could cut out, like, almost every word and still understand them.

>>19099780
>translations of doujinshi and manga are so bad
Are you telling me that lines like "I LOVE CUMMING FROM HAVING MY 10 YEAR OLD FOURTH GRADER BUTT-PUSSY THAT I'VE NEVER SHOWN ANYONE PENETRATED BY MY OWN TURD WHILE I VOMIT ONII-CHAN'S DICKMILK!!!!" are made up by the translators? That's honestly a bit disappointing.

>>19099806

>>19099814

>>19099817

>>19099811
Don't worry, those are usually legit.

>>19099823

>>19099768
i intentionally went through what was considered one of the biggest translation disasters of all time a couple years ago because im fuckin retarded and i felt really bad for anyone who read that shit

but even if things arent incredibly abysmal theres moments like these where theres just nothing that can be done without just flat out telling you the reference which still wouldnt really help i dont think

>>19099826
Last example, you should get the idea by now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xfHKO-t1VQ
Let's にょきにょき

>>19099829
I don't get it.

>>19099811
I love it when lolis constantly repeat their age like a broken record during sex scenes, as if lolis actually knew that their young age turns guys on.

>>19099851
references are tough dude id be genuinely surprised if someone picked it out on their own

>>19099834

>>19099858
Yeah, I figured it out (ググル先生のおかげで) and you're right. Makes me wonder, though, are you really missing out on anything by not getting this sort of reference?

>>19099874
well its not the only time that sort of thing happens in the game i found it to be a pretty big (!!) thats pointing out that things are a little strange here

I have a hard time understanding verbs in spoken Japanese. The parts that have meaning are just one or two syllables most of the time, and the rest is just conjugation.

I find it really hard to recognize short verbs like 見る when I hear them conjugated into a really long form. Should I just train myself to think of the concept of "seeing" when I hear "mi" at the beginning of a verb? Or are there so many verbs that start like that that it'd just be confusing?

Quof just posted this

literally who

our guy

living proof that djt's method works

>>19099890
*nods sagely like kdub shine*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnJMBcQFNME#t=185

>>19099885
Are you really shilling the translation for not getting a reference of a 30 year old japanese song? Even if he did get it how is he gonna translate it to keep the reference alive?

>>19099911
if you werent born yesterday you wouldnt even ask something that stupid cause youd know whats up about the tlwiki version of syarin lmao

>>19099911
He literally said
>theres moments like these where theres just nothing that can be done without just flat out telling you the reference which still wouldnt really help i dont think
Read closer, friend anon

look at what you made him do. he deleted everything

>>19099885
Ah, right. If it's foreshadowing then I guess that makes more sense.
Still, I think what I want to say here is that this sort of thing happens in any language, even to native speakers, so to me it's something that people just need to learn to accept.

>>19099829
Is this a reference to that karekano ed song?

>>19099829
What is considered bad about this translation? It seems accurate to me. I know it is a reference but it is not misrepresenting the original material.

>>19099930
Guys >>19099914
Read his post before replying
I'm getting frustrated on his behalf

>>19099925
i like you cause thats a really cute point of reference

～キミに花丸を～

>>19099933
im used to it dude i post in djt

>>19099933
But the poster said this game was one of the biggest translation disasters of all time, but the picture he gave is a fine translation.

>>19099933
Why dont you get on your knees and suck his fucking cock off then you stupid faggot. Reread the post you replied to

>>19099946
Holy Shit
>>19099947
Honestly, I'm getting close to it.

>>19099946
because i said "even if things arent incredibly abysmal"

but things now are incredibly abysmal like your posting

>>19099889
You should train yourself in the concept of reading and listening to a fuckload of Japanese. Verb conjugation is one of the things you'll have nailed down through a little reading long before you're actually good

This might be an odd question but after a few weeks of studying Japanese grammar I've noticed that most sentences tend to be very minimal in terms of what is conveyed. Obviously, I guess. My question is how often are sentences in Japanese elongated and include the commonly omitted pronouns, nouns, etc, especially when speaking to actual Japanese individuals.
Perhaps another way of asking: is Japanese writing the same as Japanese speaking?

>>19099911
also since my expectations were a bit exceeded ill also say that its not just a 40 year old song but its one of the most well known songs period and anyone that wasnt born yesterday is going to notice it alongside most of the other similar instances

which is why i expressed the sentiment that its unfortunate this kind of thing cant be helped

>>19099146
できる

かわいいはせいぎ

>>19099552
そとにでよう

Is a skinny gaijin nerd supposed to use boku or ore? I've heard that boku makes you sound like a wimp but ore sounds cringy if you ARE in fact an unmanly wimp.

>>19100019
あたし

俺様 is the only valid option

>>19099917
What a pussy

>>19100019
僕様

我が名

>>19098520
to talk about pronouns and suck ass really bad

To report the shitskin yet nothing happens. Perhaps he should finally kill himself, the one useful thing in his entire worthless life

edgy af

>>19099966
>is Japanese writing the same as Japanese speaking?
It's the same in the same ways written English is like spoken English.

>>19100106
welcome to japan if you got a problem you should try handling it yourself first

>>19098226
>>19098230
Retard beginner here. What do the different columns represent in these charts?

>>19100117
nothing
also these images are bad memes, ignore them

>>19100117
You should ignore the OP entirely, and just read the guide. Oh wait, the shitskin janitor made the thread, and didn't include the guide.
What a fucking joke DJT has become

>>19100117
what they represent is ~you get what you pay for~

>>19100130
if by "what you pay for" you mean "less money and nothing to show for it", yes

>>19100129
Meanwhile on /int/...

>>19099811
Would that line actually be sexy IRL or would it come off as "this girl is a tryhard" or "this girl has mental issues"?

>>19100129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSVFzxGjkYQ

Hey guys I have a problem. I have seemed to lost interest in manga/anime very badly over past 6 months or so. I continued learning because it might be a temporary loss but has this happened for any of you? Did you find new hobbies related to Japanese?

I come into this threads expecting anons to roast George from Japanese from Zero.

I've learned a lot of stuff from his videos, but he seems like the kind of guy that could easily get roasted by the assholes in this thread.

Is he legit or is it all a meme?

>>19099811
looks like youve found one of my translations

Do everyone a favor and kill yourself normalfaggot shitskin
>>19100133
Wait its actually up for once? Wow we got containment, actually good news

>>19100146
He knows Japanese well enough to teach it. His resources very well might be better than academic textbooks. However, you should not use any "educational" resources that you have to pay money for, nor ones that are designed to be used for an extended period of time.

>>19100146
He's a K-Pop loving pedophile obsessed with asian women (mainly the children ones)

>>19100146
hes legit but the shit he sells arent going to do anything for you that other publications will

>>19100151
im not black and im higher level in all things 2d than you will ever hope to be

>>19099811
>ten year old
>fourth grade
Is that loli a literal retard? How can you get such bad grades that you are held back a year in grade school?

>>19100146
He seems like a nice guy but JFZ is nowhere near optimal.

>>19100159
Seems like a pretty fucking cool guy then. But I think I'll just learn by myself.

>>19100181
Get some help, george

>>19100146
His daughter is pretty hot.

japanese from cero by jorge pendejo jeje

Japanese is hard as balls, but I wouldn't have it any other way. It protects otaku culture and other weird Japanese shit from low IQ normie gaijins and the influence of western moralfaggotry.

>>19100208
actually its easy

>>19100210
Maybe it is for native Chinese speakers.

>>19100215
i'm a native english speaker and i learned japanese by memorizing the hiragana and katakana then reading a single series of manga with furigana without looking up any words or grammar
try doing that with german or russian, oh wait you can't

>>19100210
Take it from someone who doesn't know Japanese that it's hard.

Please keep your thread titles consistent so I can easily filter it, thank you.

>>19100225
Won't happen again sir.

>>19100225
Keep being triggered

>>19100210
It may be because I'm just starting out and it's a lot of shit to take in, but the more advanced grammar I see, the more kanji start to look really fucking tame in comparison. Vocabulary seems massive too.

>>19100240
honestly learning words is the only part of japanese that's remotely difficulty but that's hard in every language

>>19100219
This is like the kid who tells you drawing is easy and then shows you his binder full of stickmen and dick doodles.

>>19100208
even though youre only owning yourself with your elitism lets remember not to be elitist in this family friendly thread where everyone can learn nihongo

>>19100245
喧嘩なら日本語でいい
もちろん、アタシならできるわ

だれうま

What's so hard about learning japanese? All you have to do is watch 10000 hours of anime.

>>19100208
It's a culture OBSESSED with politeness, harmlessness and political correctness. It only takes a small minority of permanent gaijin population to influence the culture and start the censorshitfest.

>>19100259
you gotta watch 10000 hours of anime and then do more things after that

>>19100208
Quality post. Its fun to see them try on /int/ though, they get quite feisty come the new year

>>19100248
That would be the stickman. Now show me your dick doodle.

>>19100208
quality fanfic starter where can i read more

>>19100208
I don't think it protects shit. I'm still here and I've only watched like 10 anime.

I only want to read one precise book about Japanese(how to read and write), is there a book?

>>19100281
Now you've get out!!!

anime is literally babbie's first otaku media

>>19100283
Behold

>>19100277
英語ネイティブ者であるアタシじゃ
仮名学んだあとに一言も調べなかった一つの漫画連作よんだよ
一言も調べなくても勉強になったんだ。
ドイツ語とかロシア語なんて、こうしてためしてみて。ありえないなぁ

>>19100281
You are still here and you are still posting in English

>>19100297
やはり駄目だねこりゃ

>>19100296
>>19099910

>>19100208
>artistic 3D loli nudity banned
>Olympics 2020
>anime premiering on Netflix
It doesn't protect shit. In 5 years we'll see Japanese feminists with blue hair protesting on the streets.

>>19100304
なにもんか
まぁ読む時間高くないな

E V E R Y B O D Y P O O P S

>>19100304
this is a scribble, now post a doodle

>>19100312
i got bad news for you the feminist movement is already over and won most ladies got more game than most of these guys

>>19100296
thx for nothing

>>19100297
>英語ネイティブ者
That's not how you use 者
>仮名学んだ
Where did that を go
>一言
Doesn't mean what you think it does/not used like this

The rest is a mess too

>>19100315
じゃあその読む時間とやらを積んで出直してきな

>>19100312
>artistic 3D loli nudity banned
Why do I still have to filter through so much of it when I look at the ロリビッチ tag on Pixiv then?

i just memorized hiragana tell me right now why i shouldn't force win10 to use japanese everywhere

>win10

>>19100344
Because you should upgrade to win7

>>19100344
>win10

>>19100344
Here's a good reason.

>>19100329
>That's not how you use 者
Yes it is. You can google 日本語ネイティブ者 or 英語ネイティブ者 and get plenty of wellformed grammatical results.

>Where did that を go
That's a typo. I deleted a stray "w" right before posting because I thought I accidentally slipped into laughing mode, but it seems that I didn't press o after it.

>Doesn't mean what you think it does/not used like this
It's grammatically and syntactically valid to use it that way, just not idiomatic. The manga I read didn't contain the phrase "I didn't look anything up", so naturally I don't know the natural way to say this.

さあ、他のところを日本語で説明せよ

>>19100329
>>19100373
>at least one of these anons is wrong, since they contradict each other
>at least one of them is shitting up the thread by giving wrong info and leading other learners towards the path of Hell

>>19100383
It's probably the guy who says he learned Japanese by reading one manga

>>19100383
They're both wrong but neither of them will ever know how.

>>19100392
文句があれば日本語で言ってください

>せいやね

>>19100373
Sorry I meant "grammatically and semantically".

>>19100373
>You can google 日本語ネイティブ者 or 英語ネイティブ者 and get plenty of wellformed grammatical results.
Picture

>That's a typo
Sure

>It's grammatically and syntactically valid to use it that way
It's not how a native would use it or say what you wanted to say

おい馬鹿ども何thefuckやってんだよ

Anyone else listening to a 24/7 youtube Japanese news stream and not understanding a single word?

>>19100422
dont worry dude subliminal incomprehensible nihongo is like all the sperms that dont make it to the egg

but the 1 that does dude holy shit..

>>19100418
君の母さんをヤってます

>>19100406
わかんねぇ

>>19100407
>Picture
If you can't read those results and conclude that the construction is wellformed, then you don't know Japanese.

>It's not how a native would use it or say what you wanted to say
そういっただろう

>or say what you wanted to say
Yes it is.

お前、日本語わからない人ですか？

>>19100400
前にも言ったけどあんたにはそういう口を叩く筋合いはまずない

>>19100297
>アタシ

Is it true that people in Japan go to hot springs with their friends? Wouldn't that get really awkward unless you are a literal toddler?

I mean, do 10 year old girls actually go there with their moms and sometimes encounter one of their female classmates with her own mom? Isn't it super awkward to see a member of the same sex butt naked at that age? And then going to school the next day knowing what your friend's ass and pussy look like? Do they really not bat an eye to this stuff?

Does this ACTUALLY happen in Japan or did anime lie to me? You know, the whole "5 high school girls going on a school trip to the mountains and bathing together in an onsen". Couldn't that lead to bullying, considering that they get to see their shy classmate's pubes and tits? What if they decide to bully her at some point durin the school year and spread rumors about her naked body between all the girls in the school?

>>19100441
すみません。それ、教科書から教わった、か。
まずい用語ですよ

>>19100453
This really reads like a reddit post

>>19100453
All japs look the same, so technically they have all seen each other naked since they first looked in a miror.

>>19100453
It's not shameful being naked with other guys unless you're a faggot, same goes for females.

>>19100465
fucking EPIC roast, +1 upvoted put me in the screenshot

わたしはゲイ

>>19100472
ゲイジュツ?

>>19100453
If 4 female bullies force the bullied girl to come to an isolated place and strip naked for all 15 girls in the class to see, it's a terrible case of bullying.

If the same bullied girl goes to an onsen with all of her female classmates during a school trip, the bullies take away her towel and everyone sees her naked until the bullies decide to give it back as she begs and cries, it's still bullying.

The same exact number of people saw her completely butt-ass naked against her will in both scenarios. Why isn't the second scenario considered bullying bait, though? Do bullied girls seriously go to these trips knowing what can happen? Or is the whole onsen thing so ingrained in the culture that they don't mind being seen naked THERE but would commit suicide out of shame if they were seen naked somewhere else by the same people?

>>19100476
ゲイゲイ

ホモゲイ

わたしのbuttpussyついて

When you rip a phrase from Google and make sure it's not uncommon/a typo/dialectal and someone still says it's bad Japanese. 笑う
お前らよ。言い下手の可能性がある前ググルで見てよ

its not what you say its how you say it ding ding

>>19100453
>you'll never be a Japanese lesbian loli and get to see your cute friends in their birthday suit
Seriously, being a lesbian loli in Japan must be fucking paradise.

When every individual sequence in a sentence is well formed and the ways they connect are well formed then the sentence is well formed.

how is sentence formed

by the recursive generation of lexical phrases

ワターシはボッビーです
コレからアナタ達の英語教師にナリマスYO

Why does hiccup of the heart happens.

>>19100509
>he thinks 160 results makes it common

>>19100509
For long phrases, like three non-grammatical words or more, having more than like ten or twenty results means that they're not rare. Not only that, having a single example produced by a candid native in correct form means that it cannot be ill-formed.

You don't know Japanese.

>>19100465
This. Gooks are disgusting slant-eyed buck-toothed samefags and they all look like the same guy. Lolis are no different. If you want to touch a gook loli, you are literally attracted to subhumans. Disgusting.

>>19100548
英語ネイティブ人 has less results than 英語ネイティブ者
get over it, the post that said 者 was being used wrong was wrong

check this out guys
https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%22%E8%8B%B1%E8%AA%9E%E6%AF%8D%E8%AA%9E%E8%A9%B1%E8%80%85%22

the best way to tell someone your nihongo is right is to tell them in english

>>19100564
>implying you need anything after the ネイティブ

>>19100559
You're trying too hard man

>>19100581
いらない≒いけない

also check this out guys
https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%22%E8%8B%B1%E8%AA%9E%E3%83%8D%E3%82%A4%E3%83%86%E3%82%A3%E3%83%96%22

>>19100585
It sounds unnatural to have 者 after it

>>19100601
不自然ではありません

>>19100601
You L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y don't know Japanese. Cry harder.

I'm >>19100564 btw.

無機質に聞こえる

>>19100610
No you're not.

>>19100610
You don't need to tell me who you are. I already realized it by your tone. You are getting very rude, though. Calm your tits.

>>19100610
>>19100617
>samefag backpedaling after realizing that his post was a mistake.

all yall poopy boys need to pipe it down

>>19100623
Why are you responding to yourself (first quote)?

>>19100623
>01:27:48
>01:28:08
yeah that's totally a spontaneous samefag
stop false flagging. you don't know japanese and you were wrong.

>>19100581
YOU are the one pretending to be me to downplay my arguments and win the fight. Piss off.

>>19100635
you're neither of us, fuck off and stop shitposting

>>19100619
>>19100623
>>19100631
Literally the same fucking guy. What's going on?

>>19100638
please stop

Is infinite japanese app good? going to start this monday (have too much work during weekends) and it seems like a good app to just memorize simple words and numbers since even a braindead shitter like me could learn some shitty words without even trying.

>>19100619
It wasn't me, it was someone else pretending to be me. How did you even fall for that?

>>19100648
nope just read japanese

>>19098226から>>19100650までは同じfag lol

you can tell they're not me because they're not posting in lowercase

I wish the mods actually cared about these threads still

Sorry, I like posting Japanese that looks grammatically correct to incompetent non-natives to stir shit. It's all my fault.

>>19100650
Ok I guess I'll put on some hours after gym on monday and start reading the guide.

>>19100660
I meant grammatically incorrect here. But you can read it either way you want. For maximum meme.

>>19100662
Your mommaはgramatically incorrect.

>>19100649
That wasn't fucking me either, I didn't fall for shit.

im getting a weird error when i try to install anki on windows 10 can anyone help

>>19100671
>windows 10

兄木 = 兄??

what the fuck is the 木?

>>19100666
let me show you how its done my shinobi

>>19099129
yo mama aho

>>19100681
a thing that grows out of the ground has branches and leaves etc

>>19100690
Yeah why is it tree brother?

im getting a weird error when i try to install anki on windows 10 can anyone helpᬓ

>>19100681
a typo

>>19100696
my brother cant possibly be this tree

I
FUCKING
CAN'T.

勉強になりたい？いやあれは下手だよね…できる！っていいたい？いやそれも下手だろう…やりたいならなぜやらないの？日本語使って、読んで、聞いても。なぜだろ。
ボクを聞いてよアノンちゃん。アノンなら出来る。「やってみれば」だけだけど。出来ると決めたよ。

you can dude just fuckin let it flow

>>19100705
this post is so fuckin bad i dont even wanna respond with わたしはゲイ

>>19100706
I
FUCKING
CAN'T

>>19100714
just stir into glass of water

>>19100711
nah man it's 唯一第一

>>19100722

Will that increase my IQ enough to allow me to learn all the Kanjis in the world?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9QPM81oibA&

>Can't even understand lvl 4 kanji

>>19099073
I started reading imabi after Tae Kim.
It's way too hardcore for beginners (well, I'm a beginner too, but you get what I mean). You'll lose plenty of time trying to digest all the details.

>>19099088
You'll come back crying when you realize you can't understand basic sentences in Yotsuba.

>>19100899
i mean people that do read that shit come in here and not understand basic sentences in yotuba so

>>19100949
So you want to be one of them?

>>19100967
be one of the people who reads multiple grammar guides and does flashcards but cant get through the first volume of yotuba? nah im straight homie ill leave that to the more experienced learners of djt

>>19100976
Touche, I know my English sucks.
What I mean is, the people who can't get through the first volume (or any other volume for that matter) after having read the guide are exceptionally retarded. To learn the Japanese grammar without reading any textbooks in just as short a period of time you'd have to be exceptionally talented.

>>19100984
all my weeb friends who go to college classes and read genki/jsl/minna no nihongo tell me that they can't read anything easily

the only people i know who have become able to read easily are the ones who i've successfully forced to read

>傔仗

Swallow the kanji pill. I accept now that I'll need to eventually learn thousands of kanji characters, so there's no reason to put it off. But I don't want to go overboard and try to learn too many at once. I will stick to nice little bite sized chunks like 10 or so a day.

>>19100986
> genki/jsl/minna no nihongo
Because those were not designed to teach you to read or even have an informal conversation.
MNN in the "vocabulary" section gives verbs in their polite forms, that should tell everything about its quality.

>>19098241
I found a Japanese guy who is learning English using /a/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dULIHXPeUOg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD_LG-2mWIg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nOnaZjuc4w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zFph2c_TY8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JNQZYHnLUw

>>19101024
No fucking way.

>>19101024
In video 1 does he ever figure out that "pussy" isn't "neko-chan"?

>>19101078
Because he read that "the deep" can mean the ocean, now he thinks that "Jizzakh deep into her" might have something to do with the Djizak Reservoir near the city of Jizzakh. This is amazing.

>>19101078
yes, like, within seconds of taking note of the word

>>19101024
this is what all english all the time looks like

>>19101024
英語でこんなヘタクソな奴を見るだけで自分に日本語を学ぶの勇気がなんとか戻すな気がするんだ

>>19101170
他人を軽蔑するよりまずは自分の無能さをなんとかしてね

>>19101024
Has someone invited him to DJT yet?

>>19101181
Please don't, he'll learn faster on /a/.

リア充なりたい

>>19101174
そうします先輩、すまぬ

>>19101161
In the end he was able to understand it. An inspiring example.

>>19099088
But if I'm just reading how do I get a reinforcement loop? If I make a mistake how can I tell it was a mistake, and if I get something right how can I tell it was right?

>>19101226
The brain, and human languages, are rigged in such a way that this is not actually a problem.

>>19101226
Unless you're just reading random sentences then you will quickly notice you're wrong when nothing makes any fucking sense.

>>19101024
>Thats how i look when reading japanese
恥ずかしい

>>19099088
>Nobody acquires language by memorizing seemingly arbitrary rules.
I do. Because a language is indeed a set of rules everyone has agreed with. Mathematics is a language too and I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel when I study it if I can make use of things other people had done before me.

>>19101531
you don't know japanese

>>19101534
you don't know japanese

>>19101536
yes i do

>>19101534
Yeah, but I'm still better than everyone or almost everyone in this thread. Wait a few days and you'll see.

>>19101542
yeah good luck with that

>>19101541
you don't know japanese

>>19101545
yes i do

Are the questions of the last JLPT tests published anywhere?

>>19101576
You better look for kanji kentei questions.

Well I'll be damned. Learn something new every day.

>>19100392
Manga isn't even reading anyway.

>>19101735
What you guys are referring to as reading manga, is in fact, reading the text in manga, or as I've recently taken to calling it, manga plus reading. Reading manga is not reading itself, but rather another action that causes full functioning reading to happen, made useful by the printed words, optional furigana, and vital visual components comprising comprehensible input as defined by Stephen Krashen.

Many Japanese learners realize modified version of the reading method every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of reading which is widely used today is often called "reading manga", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically reading, according to the consumption of text.

There really is manga, and these people are consuming it, but it is just a part of the method they use. Manga is the medium: the text in the material that causes language acquisition within the reader's mind. The text is an essential part of a reading experience, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete comprehensible context. Manga is normally used in combination with the reading method: the whole package is basically reading with manga added, or reading/manga. All the so-called "manga" methods are really methods of reading/manga.

>>19101735
fuck off retard

I feel retarded for not understanding this, but
> 今日からホールに出てもらう新人さん紹介するね
> 出てもらう新人
Is the subject of the relative clause 新人 or the speaker?
If 新人, then why "もらう", she's the one working in the dining area.
Or is もらう simply not an auxiliary verb in this case, as in "注文をもらう"?

>>19101892
Forget the metalanguage shit, just feel it.

>>19101892
>Is the subject of the relative clause 新人 or the speaker?
新人
もらう is the 店長 asking the 新人 to work in the ホール.
>今日からホールに出てもらう新人さん
The new guy that I asked to work in the hall starting today

>>19101920
But if 新人 is the subject, shouldn't it be 出てくれる ?

「甘ったりぃ勝負で腹はくちくなるめえ」

What is め?　「ね」?

This isn't the first time I've encountered it but I haven't been able to figure out what it means

>>19101892
今日からホールに出てもらう新人さん　 "を"　 紹介するね

>>19101920
Since he's the person who hired the new girl he's not asking her to work, but having her work
>I'll introduce the newbie who'll be working in the hall starting today

>>19101936
もらう is just a general way to ask someone to do something for your benefit. くれる feels much more personal imo.

>>19101959
>Since he's the person who hired the new girl he's not asking her to work, but having her work
Well yeah but he's being a friendly guy so I tried to imply that, like if your boss "asks" you to do something you can't say no, but at least he's just being friendly about it instead of outright commanding you.
Translating is hard.

>>19101946
これはむずかしいよ

>手を抜いた勝負では満足なさらないでしょう

の

えどことばだよ

あたしでもかなりむずかしい

>>19101959
> 今日からホールに出てもらう新人さん　 "を"　 紹介するね
That's not what my question is about.
> 出てもらう新人
It sounds like 新人 is the one "receiving" the favor of going out, as Tae Kim puts it, as if somebody else is going to do it.

>>19101984
>It sounds like 新人 is the one "receiving" the favor of going out, as Tae Kim puts it, as if somebody else is going to do it.
もらう is referencing the speaker, but the entire clause describes 新人.
>今日から新人さんはホールに出てもらう
Maybe this will make the clause make more sense.

>>19102006
Okay, I'll remember this pattern.
Thanks.

>>19101982
「まい」か？
なるめえ＝なるまいってことでいいのか？

>>19102022
はっきりはわかんないけど

いいとおもう

ちょっとむかしのことばで

えどちほうのことば

かなあ

日本語ぺらぺらになるにはどうすればいいでしょう。。。

「進んで格子の中で生きる者もいるってことさね」

I understand ってことさ　and ってことね

Is さね just a combination of the two nuances or does it mean something different?

> 下さる
> 下がる
> 下げる
> 下る
> 下ろす

>>19102075
I hope you're enjoying core.

>>19102064
You are hopeless.

>>19102080
Yeah, just came across this shit.
On the one hand no new kanji today, in the other hand - fuck, are you kidding me?

>>19102099
Here's a cool tip, go into the browser, select all the cards you haven't seen yet and randomize them. (ctrl-shift-s)

>>19102089
sempai please

>>19102099
Suspend that shit.

>>19101024
Now realize that this is how badly you are misunderstanding Japanese whenever you read it.

>>19102064
I gave up on trying to "understand" sentence-ending particles long ago.
They add an emotional nuance, so IMHO it's best to watch more anime and learn to feel them.
Articles about them only made me more confused, since they tried to document every emotion that could make a person say "ね" or "よ", that's a pretty difficult task, probably an impossible one.

>>19102139
I know they're hard to explain, all I want to know if it's equivalent to さ + ね

if it's not then I don't need an explanation

>>19102164
I feel like this is a case of read more, but what might be even more appropriate for your situation is to listen more.

>>19102164
What else could it possibly be?

>>19102075
くださる
さがる
さげる
くだる
おろす

Did I get it right?

>>19102064
>さね

むずかしそうだけど

こっちはむずかしくないかな

ね

がくっつくと

だいたいじょせいてきというか

いみがやわらかくなるよ

>>19102205
Yes.
I know I'll get used to them soon enough, but I still find it retarded how many readings a single kanji can have. Clearly the Chinese writing system is not fit for Japanese.

I'm doing it!

guys, give me some support so we get them mad before they inevitably downvote it to hell

>>19102249
>baseball team
Why would you do that to yourself. The default Jisho/Wiktionary meanings are better than this shit.

>>19102249
stop wasting your time here and just do it faggot, I didn't miss a single day of learning with RTK
now I know 3030 kanji and I've been learning Japanese for only 3 months now

>>19102249
gross

>>19102255
sorry I wrote a nine paragraph autistic rant then blocked reddit before I was able to experience the consequences of doing so

>>19102249
かきとりしないと

できるようにならないよ

ねいてぃぶでも

かきとりしないとだめ

>>19102245
>I know I'll get used to them soon enough
It's been over a month since I first added those in my core deck and I don't know what any of them means. I just memorized their readings and that they have "something to do with going down or bringing down or lowering down"
Hoping I'll learn the actual meanings as I come across them when readings

Also, 下 isn't even the worst when it comes to a kanji having many different readings

>>19102261
someone post the reading chad one

>>19102255
What about you at least give us a link? We're not all regulars here, I have no idea what Japanese learning subreddits are there.

>>19102273
/r/LearnJapanese latest additions tab
links are a no-no here

guys we need more points >>19102255
BTW thanks for the points you've given so far!

>>19102315
Why are you helping reddit?