/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Give up.

W-what if i am reddit?

This is the way the general dies, not with a whimper but with a smug anime girl.
下げる。

Even after reading Tae Kim, I still can't translate this text to a proper English
> 有言実行とばかりにアンジェリカの頭から顔中の至る所に口付け、トロトロに蕩けている彼女の表情を心いくまで堪能した
Am I just a brainlet to learn japanese?

>>19081983
>新鮮
おなかをこわすのはこわいね

>ち〇こ
*Night* snacksって

どうどうと

かいてある

PLEASE /djt/, transcribe if youre up to the task:
https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/458661

PLEASE. just the chorus is fine. All i hear is
Muka. Suka. Hon kao masuga. And that means fucking nothing. And /int/ cause theyre all serious fag cringelords.

>>19082414
carrying out what I just said, I kissed angelica all over her face, her dizzy melting expression delighted my hearth.
Something like that maybe? That sentence is not too grammar heavy, it just uses some weird words. Also don't translate, Feel.

>>19082414
I often get the feeling that Japanese is not very simple to directly translate into English unless you want to sound machine like or lose nuance. It usually takes more effort to convey the same message, requiring you to be good at English as well?
This feeling is just based on my limited N3 knowledge, my ESL background and discussions I've had a N1 friend in the EN-JP localization business.

>>19082473
I lost in に to be fair. I know the usage of に generally, but in practical usage, it's used in many places that I'm not familiar with.

>>19082494
Fair enough, how to cut the sentence so it can sound better in translation is hard to be fair. Most of the expression can be translated well.

>>19082471
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAPOIyQma3k
i found it, since someone said on youtube.
enjoy the japanese practice.

Looks like the canadian still can't handle otaku daily general kek

https://twitter.com/EROYP/status/431994994493100033

>黙れクソメガネ
>メガネかち割ろうぜ

What's wrong? Was it beta rage?

>>19082840
まふらーでくびしめたい

>>19082847
もしかして　レイジング・インセル？

Anyone got an epub for SAOAGGO?

>>19082494
The problem in my opinion is that you have to make a choice between actually translating the Japanese faithfully, in which case of course it won't sound natural in English, since languages aren't bijective sets, or basically rewriting the Japanese text in order to make it sound natural, in which case one could argue that you are more or less just writing fanfiction. Of course, the audience you are translating for and the type of work you are translating are also relevant factors. If you're translating a philosophical text for a university course I would say you want to be as close to the original as possible, whereas if you are translating poetry for a general audience then really the only viable course of action is to be a good poet yourself and write semi-original poetry using the Japanese as a framework.

>>19082516
"General usage" of prepositions and their equivalents is a meme. This "general usage" only applies to the most basic verbs, like the ones related to physical motion ("come", "go", "run", etc.).
The usage of these prepositions with more abstract verbs and set expressions almost never makes to foreigners.
Study each verb individually. That's not as painful and difficult as it seems. Unironically read more, you'll get used to them eventually.

If any random below average Japanese person can learn Japanese. Then you with an IQ of >110 can do it too.
Don't give up anons

>>19083129
My IQ is >140 and I still haven't learned Japanese after 4 years.

>>19083135
Try studying it.

あいきゅーmemeって

へいきんあいきゅーのこといってるの

げんごあいきゅーのこといってるの

Is there in archive some novels in text form (like rtf for example) with furigana?

>>19082516
〜とばかりに might be a set expression.

すちーむで

ゲームさがしてる

おもしろいのおしえて

>>19083286
Civilization 5 + BNW

>>19083286
only dumb plebs play computer games

>>19083292
VNs are computer games

>>19083301
no they're not, they're illustrated novels. it's literally in the name. visual NOVEL.

>>19083306
Clicking through them is considered gameplay, therefore they're games.

>>19083306
I would I agree that kinetic VNs (no choices) are not games, because all you do is read at look at images.
Any other kind of VN is a game though.

>>19083348
>turning pages is considered gameplay, therefore books are video games
-you

みんなゲンキ？

>>19083306
it's called hentai, and it's art

>>19083112
>Study each verb individually.
Which source should I use?

>>19083188
Googled it, and yeah it's a set of expression. I should had realised it sooner.

Reading isn't gaming.

>>19083357
Are chose your own adventure books games because you get choices?

>>19083554
> Which source should I use?
I have no idea, I've only started studying Japanese myself.
I'm just sharing my experience of learning other languages.
As for Japanese, the difference between に and を is in many cases very obscure, at least from the perspective of a complete beginner, so it's best to not waste your time trying to understand how the two particles work and look at how they are used with particular verbs. Manga, anime and books can help you with that.

>>19083615
Crappy analogy.
Choosing which VN to buy is not a game either.
You have a computer program, which lets you actively participate in the story by making choices for the protagonist.
That makes it a video game.

What VN should I start with as a total beginner?
My only reading experience is yotsuba so far. I've never read any VN before, hoping I can get into them. No eroge please

>>19083741
https://djtguide.neocities.org/reading%20list.html

VNs don't typically have furigana, so if you don't wa

>>19083741
Re:LieF

>>19083749
Fuck why did that get posted?
> if you don't wa
want to spend 10 minutes on every single sentence drawing kanji with the mouse in google translate, you need to have finished at least half of Core2k

>>19083741
none

you arent allowed to have nice things because you dont have nice nihongo

deal with it

>>19083741
>No eroge please
Just skip Japanese altogether and read OEL"VN"s.

>>19083741
https://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=visual+novel

>>19083749
>>19083771
Thanks. I'll try はなひらっ then. I'm currently at 1700 words in core2k so hopefully I'll be ok.

>>19083764
Thank you too

>>19083831
foolish endeavor read this instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMx9DGl9Y0

Grisaia phantom trigger is pretty good for learning since you can enable both Japanese and English text. That is of course if you don't just end up reading the English to be done quicker.

>>19083691
Got it, thanks anon.

Any recommended mobile VN for reading on the go™?

Anyone ever pretend they didn't know Japanese when they really did?

>>19084068
Nobody here needs to pretend

>>19084068
If I really did I wouldn't be here

>>19084068
you do this a lot when people constantly want translations from you because you helped them once

>>19083865
A book.

I'm having a hard time making sense of what she's saying here. Context is that she keeps forgeting stuff.

>>19084213
Go fuck yourself retard.

>>19084213
so what do you want us to do about it

>>19084244
>>19084246
Pls no bully, I'm still trying to learn

>>19084253
doesnt seem like it

>>19084213
I'm a total beginner and I could understand this after 5 minutes of googling

>>19084254
I can kind of see that it means "No matter what I do I can't seem to remember", but that doesn't fit the context at all so I'm just asking to make sure.

>>19084256
Well thank god we have you around

>>19084253
If you're still bad at Japanese, don't read manga with dialectical speech.

>>19084068
I've pretended I was a Russian who didn't know English. I'm tired of having to decipher broken English because someone wants to see if their high school english class was actually worth the effort.

>>19084276
> Well thank god we have you around
The point was, he didn't need our help.
Stop spoonfeeding people. You only make things worse for them.

>>19084295
No, that was me>>19084213

>>19084276
> Context is that she keeps forgetting stuff.
> "No matter what I do I can't seem to remember"
> that doesn't fit the context at all

>>19084213
>なんでずっと何もかも覚えとく事はできないのだろう
There, I removed most of the dialect for you. Can you understand it now?

wakannai

wakaran

I'm probably just stupid, but I've been having trouble making yomichan cards look correct. I've gotten pretty used to the format of the 2k/6k deck and I'd like to replicate it, but every setting I try with the 2k/6k template in yomichan seems to create a messy card thats hard to read. Do I use a custom format or is there something I'm missing?

watasi wa sappali des

>>19084371
Shit, forgot image.

>>19084375
And here's how it looks from anki. I know I'm probably just being an idiot about it but I don't understand how this exactly works.

>>19084371
>>19084375
please telephone the anki support hotline this is a thread for nihongo

Need some advices for my problem, so here's the thing: I'm on vacation right now and finally decided to learn Japanese (which I eluded for years?) and I'm on 3/4 of the learning tree in the app called Lingodeer, so my problem is should I finish the Genki I or just head straight to Genki II then Tobira which is the common path that mostly take of the people learning Japanese in here?

Finally if I push myself in this month and the following months, (Registered for the JLPT 4 ahead of time to pressure myself) do I have the ability to cope to get a N4 understanding in the upcoming test? I know people will call it me rash but if I don't do this I doubt I can stay motivated learning this.

As for the reason I want to learn this subject right now is because I feel my sanity dropping (not far from becoming insane lol) if I can't read "something", yes I admit the reason I'm on a vacation now is I'm kinda bored right now so decided to dwell in this subject because I can't find a field that interests me anymore which leads me playing games that becoming increasingly boring right now as time passes and finally, voila to find this major topic (I mostly finish almost of the literatures, novels, story books that so far interests me) so I was hoping to get a knacks and tricks in learning Japanese and while at it read some of their literatures that will interests me on the near future. (I'm a serious bookworm that mostly reads any novels and historical backgrounds of people that I more or less like and to fulfill my stupid dream which is becoming a capable translator while at it.)

P.S. Thank you for the time that you went through reading this. :)

> 恥ずかしくねぇの
> ねぇ
Is it just manga Japanese, or do the japs actually talk like retards in informal situations?
It pisses me off every time I hear it in anime, it's just so dumb.

>>19084384
It's simple css my man.

>>19084415
its not them thats retarded its the guy(jin) who doesnt know nihongo having an opinion on this

best of luck in curbing your autism my ninja

>>19084415
I see it all the time in Nip comments on youtube and such.

>>19084415
>retarded gaijin criticizing natural language
lmao

*scribbling on clipboard*
ok next up is what pronouns trigger us the most

>>19084433
>>19084444
Yeah, GETs don't like, it's probably just me being a gaijin.
I probably associate them with a certain marginalized social group members of which have a similar tendency to put unnecessary "eh" sounds where they don't belong and pronounce them slowly in a rising intonation.

>>19084472
*GETs don't lie

you gotta GET out

>>19083741
>No eroge please
Are you gay? They make VNs for these too you know.

>>19084594
Stop bullying me >..<
I just don't want to interrupt my language learning time by going to clean myself every 2 scenes

>>19084638
Unless you're actively looking for a nukige, most VNs you can come across will have pretty few sexual scenes compared to the overall reading time. And you'll read very slow at first, making these scenes even more distant to each other.

>>19084638
That's nukige. Generally moege has 3 h-scenes for each heroines.

i play lilith games for the story

>>19084675
>>19084763
Alright, so what are we looking at here? Is there a particular VN suggestion for a beginner besides the aforementioned titles?

What's the closest Japanese equivalent to 4chan's /a/ or the エロゲスレ? I'm looking for active discussion, like on 4chan. 5ch is kinda shit, or maybe I didn't find the right boards out of the million boards that it has.

>>19084818
2chan?

>>19084812
Honesty depends on your fetish.

>>19084812
i was gonna say none but then i realized there is one for you

go go nippon

Would the language be easier on both foreigners AND the Japanese themselves if furigana was mandatory?

wouldnt actually make a difference for foreigners imo and it would be annoying for the japanese

>>19084812
Look for something that would be compelling for you, because in the beginning, reading will be painful regardless of the choice. See pic related and similar pictures.

>>19083740
>Choosing which VN to buy is not a game either.
Correct. And neither are VNs.

almost everything on that list would be completely wasted on a beginner and would require several rereads at varying points in your nihongo career to maybe some day have some grasp on them

whats even the point in starting there when you can start with perfectly digestible material right now that goes harder than most nakige

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrqO4eSqRC4

if you try to have your cake and eat it too you will have neither

>>19084870
>perfectly digestible material right now that goes harder than most nakige
Not compelling

>>19084831
>>19084835
>>19084844
>>19084870
Well anons. Thanks for your help and input
I think I already have too much on my plate right now. I'll try to read the 2/3 suggestions once I get some extra freetime starting next week and report back again.

>>19084930
┐(︶▽︶)┌

皓い嫦娥
皎い姮娥

>>19084812
Soukou Akki Muramasa
Kajiri Kamui Kagura
Kagerou Touryuuki

>>19084938
This was created by /moe/ when they were still around.

>>19085000
>your diary
my diary desu?

>>19085021
ps: this one has a lot of bad recommendations as far as "easy titles" are concerned, but it has a high density of games of acceptable quality, unlike other big charts

VN isn't reading

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67KtuxsESzI

>>19085044
Rail-soft VNs are reading. Others are not though though.

>>19085095
How is Sharnoth reading when Muramasa is not?

who the fuck cares yall cant read any of it

I find kanji easy as shit, but the grammar and all the homonyms confuses the shit out of me.

>>19085100
Rail, not liar. Even though it's an auxiliary company.

>>19085120
same shit dude

>>19085116
That's how I felt when I started out, then I got used to the grammar.

>>19085116
Yeah that opinion changes fast.

>>19083771
No you just texthook the VN and enjoy easy instant lookup. What's this pleb shit.

あたしのマン口を駆使してください

>reading VNs
I still have not found a single VN that's fun or interesting

>>19085157
What have you read so far? What do you want to read?

>>19085123
To make something "reading" there should be minimal to zero visualization and sounds so your brain doesn't dawdle and actually envisages forms. Without mental images there is no reading and hence no learning.

>>19085157
Every medium has something you can enjoy, unless you despise the medium itself for some reason.

>>19085165
if you are consuming written text in a literate manner then it is reading

>>19085153
汚いの
使いたくない
自慰のほうがいい

>>19085157
I have. Good luck.

>>19085157
Some are fine but they are always so damn bloated it becomes a chore to read.
The only VN I really enjoyed was Amagami.

>>19084384
>css
.glossary {
font-size: 30px;
width: 30%;
margin: 0px auto;
}
>html
<div class="glossary">{{Vocabulary-English}}</div>

so wait visual games are no longer compelling content?

maybe djt is fuckin learning nihongo

>>19085181
>汚いの
ゲイさを隠すために嘘だろう

>>19085203
you don't know japanese

>>19085217
this is a reddit post

>>19084818
there's the bbspink boards for eroge but they keep redirecting me to the homepage, idk if the boards are down or if it's gaijin block or what

>>19085160
A few chapters of baldr sky, one route of tonakoi, all routes of satsukoi and a bunch of different game VNs like rance or kamidori

They all tend to be bloated with a lot of pointless flavor text and the stories are not really interesting. Baldr sky was literally just doing flashbacks 90% of the time and it felt like the story was going nowhere. I just want some interesting story that actually makes me want to read what happens next and not feel like I'm reading it just to practice reading or to get to the next gameplay bit

>>19085214

>>19085235
you could read "higurashi when they cry" its very popular among western visual boys and it prolly does what you want it to

>>19085235
>They all tend to be bloated with a lot of pointless flavor text and the stories are not really interesting.
Because VN writers are paid for amount of lines. Read muramasa, it's one of a very few vns out there which are really stand out and I doubt anything similar will be released in the future.

>>19085249
Well that's another problem with VNs. If they have an anime adaption there's a high chance I've seen it which spoils the story

>>19085266
anime adaptations always fuck it up without exception

trust me

>>19085236

>>19085269
Even if they fuck up the delivery or skip some of the bloat, they still spoil the story

>>19085272
ok read この世の果てで恋を唄う少女 yu-no on the sega saturn game player

>>19085293
Which eceleb played that recently? Seen a lot of people memeing it

>>19085327
i only said it because its one of the greats back when the medium still had life in it and it prolly does what you want it to

ill leave the eceleb shit to the more experienced name and panty droppers of djt

Could someone give me feedback on the translation of this passage? Thanks.

うちな、先月、検査してもろたら、コレステロール高いて言われたんよ。そやから、菜食主義に変えてみたんや。最初はちょっときつかったんやけど、この頃は野菜もおいしいって思うようになってん。

So like last month, I had a check-up, and they said like my cholesterol was too high or something. So then, I’m all, why not try to become a vegetarian. At first, you know, it was sorta intense, but like now, I’m kinda thinking that vegetables taste pretty good too.

sux

>>19085357
>2018
>translating

>>19085357
>like
>or something
>I'm all
>you know
>like
>kinda
Fix these to make it a translation rather than fanfiction.
'intense' as a word choice is slightly off

>>19085357
>kinda thinking
As opposed to fully thinking?

>>19085430
I don't see a problem.

ラジオもネットで聞けるの？
(You) can listen to radio on (the) net as well?
Why did he translate も to "on"?

>>19085453
come on my ninja

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_-U_S-El4w

>>19085178
Actually since you're visualising the context and interpreting the situation in your head it's more like watching a movie than reading. Reading isn't reading anon.

>>19085479
Woah, dude.

>>19085479
you mean like how im visualizing balling up your post and throwing it into the nearest gomibako

yah i guess youre right

>>19085453
俺もわかんね

>>19085485
you don't know japanese

>>19085504
you dont know japanese

>>19085511
お前、日本語わからない

>>19085516
as for nippongo you dont vakaru

you know plenty of japanese <3

yeah i think yall do too

>>19082391
reddit isn't reading

>>19085476
This is really helpful

>>19085521
日本語できないならつまんないことユーな

>>19085373
>>19085385
>>19085430
lmao shows what /djt/ knows. That translation was done by a professor of Japanese at Berkeley who specializes in translation studies. It's unarguably perfect.

>>19085602
He should really get in touch with reality. Academics and natural language never mix well.

>>19085453
He didn't. He translated it as "as well"

>>19085602
Wow I bet he finished BOTH Genki books!

>>19085357
whoever translated this has no idea what conversational english actually sounds like

B+ for effort

>>19085602
but hes not a professor of english so sorry your burst your bubble sport

>>19085616
Thanks apparently i am just stupid.
Also where is "on" in the Japanese sentence?

>>19085649
ネットで
The particles always modify what comes before it.

>>19085607
>>19085618
>>19085633
It's another "/djt/ gets butthurt when someone tricks them into revealing they are dekinais" episode.

>>19085649
have you read the truly remarkable djt guide posted in the op by any chance

>>19085649
I checked every word and it doesn't look like the Japanese sentence contains "on". I also can't find that word in a Japanese dictionary.

i really want to believe we're the victims of an materful piece of internet theater and that the conversation i'm reading didn't just unironically happen

>>19085662
theres a billion ways to do that thoroughly and indisputably

why go for the one thats objectively bad and wrong

>>19085662
Okay but for reals why should we listen to Japanese academics when they write the absolutely most dekinai textbooks? I'd rather even Matt's translation since at least he reads native material instead of studying Reddit Grammar from an ivory tower

>>19085658
Thanks
>>19085664
>>19085668
You can stop now i am convinced that i am stupid.

>>19085668
>thinking you can debunk a japanese language expert with a simple google search
切腹もいいよ

What is this?

>>19085718
A cipher.

>>19085718
A japanese meme

>>19085718
he just wrote penis alot

>>19085718
Translation of kana into Chinese.

>>19085718
I thought kanji had multiple readings? This looks pretty simple, maybe I'll finally learn Kanji

>>19085791
Once you've memorised those 49 characters all you need is a couple of weeks grammar studies and you should be able to read any work of japanese fiction without a hitch-up. The only hard part about Japanese is the pitch-accent but that only matters if you're learning the language to communicate with people.

>>19085797
>Japanese
>pitch-accent

>>19085821
>he doesn't know japanese
w

>>19085842
>he actually thinks he knows the japans

you have 10秒 to 証明する that youre 日本語ペラペラ

>>19085870
ロリまんこ超美味しい

>>19085870
外国人と話さない

How long till you stopped looking into dictionary on 75% of the lines?

>>19085870
>ペラペラ
I've heard terms like this one used frequently by Japanese people. How many of these onomatopeia-sounding common words are there? And how the fuck am I supposed to learn them? They feel so random and are usually written in katakana. What the hell?

>>19085904
300-400 novels read.

>>19085881
>外国人
>国
Isn't this the equivalent of saying "african-american guy" instead of "black guy"? Does it have that annoying politically correct feeling in Japanese?

>>19085918
>politically correct
Is there even such thing in Japan?

>>19085906
dont group them as their own thing and use a dictionary and the internet when you need to learn something and dont sweat it

>>19085918
not really mostly because you know its that whole thing about not what you say but how you say it

Am I supposed to write 子供 or 子ども? I've seen it written both ways. I've heard that the first one has negative connotations because the second kanji implies that kids are "mouths to feed" or some shit.

Is 子ども the equivalent of saying "the N-word" or "the F-word"? Does it have that annoying politically correct feeling in Japanese?

>>19085923
>Is there even such thing in Japan?
They are insanely politically correct.

How would you say
>I got mouths to feed, unnecessary beef is more cows to breed
In Japanese but in poetic way?

>>19085931
I mean, am I supposed to eventually understand Japanese onomatopoeias in order to understand those words? The way they write sounds in general feels incredibly random and nonsensical. And they seem to have sounds for silent things like smiling.

>>19085944
子ども is a hot potato because it can be read as "kid, thanks!" which due to the heavily context-based language could be interpreted as pedophilia. You're a foreigner though so you'll get away with it even if you happen to like kids.

>>19085962
Don't worry they stick just like everything else. Actually I think they sticker easier because some of them are just fun to repeat and you spend so much time wondering why they chose that particular sound that it gets imprinted easily.

>live in Japan for 10 years
>still use the 外人 card as the get out of jail free card

>>19085962
just pretend they are like any other words because often youll find one of these to be the most fundamental way to say something

sound effect type stuff like what you see in manga is basically impossible to go in and figure out for a baby prolly but rather youll understand how to make sounds in japanese some day if you keep in the mix

just dont sweat it and take it as it comes dude

Anyone here sold their soul to the devil to be able to speak Japanese?

>>19085984
as long as you look the part you are exempt from everything forever and are among the only truly free people in the country

>>19085962
It only seems random at first, eventually you will get a feel for the kinds of things certain types of sounds signify. Just keep looking them up like any other word. You could also read the section in DOJG if you want.

Is "drilling" a relatively easy VN a good way to improve my vocabulary, practice grammar and learn new kanji?

I perfected my mediocre English by reading Umineko and /jp/ shitposts for half a year. I always had google open in a different tab, so I would quickly look up any word I didn't understand and any weird sentence that didn't fit what I knew about English grammar. Anything I looked up was instantly stored in my long term memory and I memorized it without even trying. When I wanted to write something and didn't know if I was making a mistake, I would search the sentence in google using quotation marks (changing the nouns into more general things) to see if it was a common sentence that people actually used. If I barely got any results, I assumed I had made a grammar mistake.

Does this approach work with Japanese?

>>19086039
Yes.

今夜は本格的に醤油ラーメンを作るのじゃ！

>>19085911
Novels aren't reading

Does the 3-minute insta-ramen Japanese people eat contain palm oil like the fake ramen they sell in the west? I refuse to eat unhealthy crap, but I can barely read the ingredients in Japanese.

>>19086086
Read the spice packages carefully, sometimes they include gaijin pesticides to cull the herd

>>19083741
Unfortunately you're going to have a real hard time finding any decent beginner VNs that don't have porn. Once you get better there are more good non-porn VNs, I've been enjoying 魔法使いの夜 recently.

>>19085271

>>19085960
毎日牛にちんぽを入れると気持ちよくなります

How long do you guys think it takes to get to a rough intermediate level of proficiency? Right now I'm still basic, though I have hiragana and katakana down pat. I'm thinking of applying for a program that requires intermediate Japanese, but I'd only have to demonstrate it around September or so.

>>19086160
Can you cum to an erotic novel without pictures written entirely in japanese?

>>19086160
As someone who has been going about it for 4 months, I'm gonna say it takes atleast a year.
Although I'm very busy and barely have any time to read. You might make it if you are a NEET and read >3 hours a day

>>19086160
If this is college-level "intermediate Japanese," then you could get to an intermediate level EASILY in four months.

Quick I need 3 words to add to my mining deck before getting to read this morning!

>>19086177
I'm not at NEET but since I just graduated my free time has skyrocketed. I could manage three or more a day.

>>19086180
Alright. That's what I remembered hearing anons say before but it's glad to verify. Thanks

>>19086160
69 years

>>19086181
自慰

>>19085991
>production

>>19086181
ライ麦

>>19086181
ちんぽ
肉棒
陰茎

>>19084838
It would be easier for foreigners but so what? Just learn the kanji faggot.

Why couldn't they just create a few more shapes for the katakana instead of having two pairs look exactly the same? I can recognize them, but it always takes me a second or two.

"Shi" is a smiley face, while "tsu" it's an annoyed face saying "tsk". "N" is a smiling cyclope having his dick stroked and moaning, while "so" is a sarcastic angry bastard saying "So? What do I care about that?"

I'd do ANYTHING to know Japanese (except study and reading)

>>19086245
Because they don't

I have HUGE problems differentiating the big hiragana TSU from the small one in manga. The small one always looks way too big and I end up mistaking it for the other one. Can't they just make it really small to avoid confusion? It's barely shorter than the rest of the kana.

>>19086245
Top notch mnemonics anon

>>19086245
>I can recognize them, but it always takes me a second or two.

Read more then. For me they are has hard as b and p

>>19086260
>>19086263
>>19086268
First time I see so many replies to a reddit post.

>>19086222
>>19086239
>>19086241
Thanks anons very useful words.

>>19086274
This is a reddit post

>>19085918
It absolutely is.
t. I watch tv

>>19085229
I'm using this to get around it seems pretty good http://n2ch.net/

>>19082369
>「詰んだ」と認識しても仕方ないょ。
Shouldn't it be してから? what's up with the non adversative ても conjugation I'm seeing all over the place?

>>19086440
I think you're very confused.

Going thru Tae Kim's Compound sentences. I understand everything except:
>6 Expressing multiple reasons using 「し」
>7 Expressing multiple actions or states using 「～たりする」

1) Can I use 「し」not only for state-of-being but also for regular verbs?
2) Can't 「～たりする」be used in the very context 「し」would work for? Both are vague listings of state-of-being/verbs. Is the only difference between them that 「し」is explicitly for reasons?

>>19086483
Read more and stop wasting time dicking around with textbooks.

>>19086505
I want to understand it on the very basic level and move on. I will read the grammar book once and then immediately start reading native media. I will get back to grammar books in relation to native media that I'll read, but for now I want to make sure I do understand what the grammar is for.

kyous nihongo kotoba of the nichi is ちんぷんかんぷん

Is there a Japanese word for "coming of age", as in the genre?
I'm trying to find new books to read.

>>19086523
成人式

>>19086523
https://jisho.org/search/bildungsroman

>>19086483
>>19086505
>>19086517
>19086517
nevermind i checked the other grammar guide of Kim with more thorough explanations and understood it that way

お前らの日本語はとてもちんぷんかんぷんだよ

>>19086533
いやお前の

君こそ

アンタの方

>>19086528
>成人式
That's just the ceremony, isn't it?

>>19086531
>bildungsroman
What the fuck. It gave me what I was looking for though, thanks.

お前らよくそんなだらしない日本語で堂々と書き込み出来るね
少しは恥を知ってもらいたいものだ

>>19086562
いやべつに下手じゃないんだけど。反対にあうにせよ。

みんなゲンキ？

I'm so autistic I made a leveling system in excel. Level xp goes up exponentially, level 50 is 10000 hours, so the goal would be level 50 of both (100 overall).

>>19083129
First language acquisition is different from second language acquisition. Moreover motivation matters a lot so having enough intelligence isn't sufficient.

>>19086631
Upload your spreadsheet.

>>19086631
when you still dont know nihongo at 最大 level what are you gonna do

おっぱいをしゃぶりたいぃなぁ

この辺にはちんちんばっかりだけ

reading is hard, Japanese is hard

Japanese isn't reading

>>19086713
なんだただの愚痴日記か爆笑

Reading isn't reading.

give it a rest fuckboys

"俺たちに翼はない"はむずかしいですか？

just watch the anime instead

>>19082369
私の苦難を放す！私の生命を退治る, どうぞ！

>given it my all for 3 years
>read dozens of books
>hundreds of mangas
>thousands of hours of anime
>still don't know Japanese
>tfw can't kill yourself because you're Catholic

>>19086815
Honestly, i AM just lazy desu. I don't put any effort into learning. It's linda pathetic.

>>19086816
why dont you know nihongo

>>19082536
なつかしくて、なけるわ

>>19086838
>なけるわ
What a faggot.

I was taking a look to the llink resources and i ran into this rikaichamp for android my question is does this works? how do i install it the link just drop me on github but i see no .apk there

>>19086934
Yeah, it works on PC.

>>19086953
yes, but i meant on my phone

>>1908693
>>19086973
it almost certainly doesn't work anymore after webextensions happened, but someone made a new one that does

>>19086986
is it on google store? or how do i look for it?

>>19086992
It's a firefox addon.

>>19086997
I knoww i'm using it right now but i want it to my phone. Ok what happen is that the rikaichamp for ANDROID does not work anymore due the release of the web extensions, so there is no way i could get a rikaicham APP to do on my PHONE what the webextension does on pc, is that correct?

>>19087023
You can use addons on the android version of firefox. Is this not what you're asking for?

Is "consume more and you will naturally pick up grammar" just a meme? Look how many foreigners still mix up a/an, two of the most common words in the entire language.

>>19087059
its not a meme

if a/an was the biggest of your nihongo problems youd be owning so hard right now

>>19087059
I picked up on a/an naturally after getting decent, since they started to intuitively sound retarded when misused. So yeah, just read more faggot.

>>19087074
Whenever a foreigner uses "an" to precede a y sound I immediately dismiss them as a retard and disregard anything they have to say. I expect japs to do the same to me if I get extremely simple grammatical rules wrong in their language.

>>19087121
you sure are a pleasant person

>>19087059
Are you talking about English? What is this a/an thing in Japanese? I've never heard of it.

>>19087034
Actually i thought i could use it as a background app and be able to use it along with others like twitter and instagram but yeah i already understand that it always has been an addon for web app

After 6 months of vocab study and listening to Benjiro's conversations on Youtube with native speakers, I've finally decided to bite the bullet and read a 小説. What am I in for if I choose Sword Art Online as my first? I've never seen the Anime but it has a cool style and the concept seems like something I'd want to read about.

Does normalizing suffix just mean もの and こと make things into nouns? Is こんなもの a way to generically say "this thing", and こんなこと a way to generically say "this situation"? I'm a brainlet and have a hard time wrapping my mind around sentences that use もの or こと.

>>19086816
Is it the grammar? can't you remember vocabulary or kanj? what is it?

How important are drugs to getting to the higher levels?

>>19087224
Very important, otherwise it would be RATT and not RATTATA wouldn't it?

>>19087252
ratt is the fuckin way dude

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-TcWYnsEiM#t=35

Core6k:
直ぐ and 未だ are in kanji.
美味しい and 不味い are not.

>>19087224
you can't learn japanese without modafinil

>>19087437
> ダメ is in kanji, too
Oh come on, I haven't once seen ダメ written in kanji. Maybe in literature, but in my Chinese mangos.

>>19087472

>>19087472
駄目だてめぇは

みんな駄目だね

日本語勉強したい。でも、漢字勉強したくない。

>>19087437
that used to bother me a lot until I ran into irregular kanji usage

anyone else ever get this error with anki

What happened to him, guys? Did he learn Japanese?
>>19022003

nothing to spruce up djt like some 3 day old posts

you mean ten day old posts

every post is from fuckin reddit anyway

You're from fucking reddit, go back there.

>千枝実に問いた限りでは、「宴」 は極めて危険で悪質な因習だ。
>そういう昔話があったとして、過去には実際に私刑を行った歴史があったとしてもだ、普通はもっと無難な祭りとかに形を変えて現代に伝わっているものだろう。

What is that だ doing after the second としても in the second sentence?
Is it just a copula thrown in there?

This is what I understood from the second sentence, the first one is easy enough:

>Even if we asume that there was such a folk tale in the past (Talking about how this feast is a really ominous celebration), and even if the stories about lynchments are also true, i'm sure the tradition must have changed into something less problematic by now, right?

>>19087558
i cant go back to somewhere ive never been to

Then how do you know the posts are from reddit?

because google turns up links to reddit but i dont click them

That doesn't mean that said links actually contain said posts verbatim, my man.

i guess the emboldened results that match my search verbatim are just some other posts somewhere else not from reddit

Any suggestions on how to read faster?
I have to always sound out everything to read.

Give me one example.

>>19087585
how much anime have you watched lifetime and how long have you been reading chinese house drawings

>>19087585
>Any suggestions on how to read faster?
Keep reading. As long as its somewhat interesting, you'll get faster. The brain wants to streamline repeated tasks

If read more is the answer to everything whats the point of this general?

>>19087585
Reading more will help. Another thing you could do is try to force yourself to read faster by limiting the time you have to read something. Like go watch some videos on niconico and try to read the comments flying by

>>19087641
>If read more is the answer to everything
Only you think this.

Found this Japanese guy using 4chan to learn English:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVx6xun68CZORItm4Zp02nA

>>19087700
しるか

>>19087641
in no particular order

to tell each other we dont know japanese
to ask for translations
to ask really poor questions about things we have no business even trying to read
to name drop foreigners who know/dont know japanese that try to make money "teaching" japanese
to talk about flashcards
to say わたしはゲイ
to link nice raps from japan
to repost shit from reddit
to call everything reposts from reddit
to name call and tell each other to kill ourselves
to continue the neverending quest of figuring out what the fuck a 出撃 is
to ask for tech support
to post really fuckin bad nihongo
to post about how much of a god lick-g is
to ask for visual game/manga/light novella recommendations
to define what is or is not reading
to argue or pretend to argue about english
to talk about the jlpt
to ask you what this dude is saying https://streamable.com/gunpv
to ask if you mother fuckers are genki yet
to constantly bicker over day one shit
to complain generally
to remember the kanji
to ask for free stuff
to provide free stuff
to bake you like a biscuit and sop you in gravy (https://streamable.com/pe21b))

to mislead and deceive the unsuspecting and convincing them to do really weird and useless things instead of just learning nihongo

>>19086815
>私
Wow I've already memorized this Kanji as "watashi" and yet I haven't read RTK.

>>19087855
wait till someone tells you they really meant "watakusi" or w.e

>>19087059
Just follow the AJATT concept.

>>19087700
Someone posted a different Jap learning English from 4chan the other day. Any more?

When did China and Japan (and Korea) diverge in terms of SVO/SOV, and was it Chinese that changed or Japanese?

>>19082840
i understand all the words he used but have not idea what the meaning is or why people are angry

>>19087132
は／が　：＾）

>>19084838
That would defeat the purpose of using kanji.

>>19087059
> Look how many foreigners still mix up a/an
I've never met a single one.

>>19088037
seen plenty mess up lose and loose though

Any good Japanese history books you guys can recommend?

>>19088037
I sometimes do when I'm too busy writing a post to check it afterwards. On the other hands, it's natives mixing up you're/your, never ESLs.

>>19088077
That's a pretty odd mistake to make.
Doesn't it become instinctive after a few months of studying?

>>19088095
Yes, it's completely trivial (unlike the a/the). When flustered, it's easy to make odd mistakes even in one's first language.

ズリネタゲット

Apparently that means "fap material" or something along those lines. Why doesn't Jisho include this stuff?

>>19088077
Same with "could have" and "could of". I can't even imagine how you could start writing the latter

>>19088235
Why doesn't the Oxford dictionary include "shart" ?

>>19087059
>>19088246
Are you serious? The ones that get that stuff wrong all the time are the natives. Foreigners never make those mistakes.

>>19088267
lmao

>>19088026
You don't know the purpose of kanji.

>>19088235
How have you never come across センズリ before?

>>19088267
That's what I said though

おはよう

きょうもいちにちがんばって

今日も一ちんぽしゃぶって

>>19088314
あなたはかわいい女の子?!

今日もバットで野良犬殺すべ

I find new kanji compounds MUCH easier to remember when I bump into them while I'm jacking off to doujinshi.

Is this the secret to learning Japanese? Being turned on so that every single word you read feels "memorable" and therefore sticks in your long term memory? Serious question.

>>19088353
It's probably because you don't read anything but doujinshi. Reading is the secret to learning shit, not grinding decks.

>>19088353
It's the dopamine. Not kidding.

>>19088353
I certainly learned several different words for "pubic hair", along with their kanji, just from doing a few google searches and using an online translator back in the day. They just stuck to my mind effortlessly, I didn't even try. And I knew jack shit about Japanese at the time, literally 15 kanji and barely any grammar.

Meanwhile, I spent weeks struggling to remember correctly even the simplest words. Like "atsui" or "tsumetai" or "hidari".

会う日
Would 日 be read as にち or ひ here?

>>19088416
ふりがなふってないなら

ひ

Is it true that japs don't really "read" half the time? That they just understand the meaning of the kanjis as soon as they see them and the actual pronunciation doesn't even cross their minds?

>>19088428
Do you internally read english letter by letter or just recognize the shape of the words as a whole?

>>19088461
By the shape, but I still read the word in my mind whether I want to or not. Our letters represent sounds.

>>19088475
>Our letters represent sounds

>>19088428
they come up with a half-assed guess based on the on'yomi and move on

no one is anal about readings except high-school teachers and 文系 nerds

nevermind, misunderstood the question

>>19088428
だいにがいこくごの

にほんごは

そんなにはやくならないとおもう

>>19088475
>By the shape, but I still read the word in my mind whether I want to or not. Our letters represent sounds.
bai thuh sheip, buht ai stihl rid thuh wrd ihn mai maind wethr ai want tu or nat. ar letrz repruhzent wrdz.

>>19088604
What point where you trying to tsutae here?

>>19088641
>where

>>19087913
They are different languages from the beginning. Japanese imported kanji and kanji compound from ancient China.
もともと別の言語。漢字や漢語（かんご）を日本が中国からとりいれた。
「和製漢語」っていうのもあるけどね。
wasei-kango : kanji compound mainly made during the Meiji Period in Japan through the process of absorbing western culture.

>>19087224
I've tried to learn Japanese on amphetamine, but I just ended up masturbating for 12 hours.

So who should we genocide?
The chinks for inventing kanji? or the nips for stealing kanji?

How hard are the JLPT example questions on their official site? Just did N2 with one mistakeon my first try, does this show that I should be able to pass N2? Or are the questions there quite a bit easier?

>>19088671
korea

>>19087913
Even in the wildest fantasies (like "Altaic languages") Chinese and Japanese are not in the same language family.

味だぜ！が

妹だぜ！にみえた

あたしつかれてるのよ

>>19083741
>>19084278
You can't "read manga." Manga isn't reading.

>>19088871
This.
Hanzi are GOAT. Hangul are shit.

You matter how much you've studied it or how much you find it easy, kanji is objectively a shit writing system.
What makes a writing system good is efficiency of recognition, simplicity, maximal range of producible sounds vs minimal number of characters.
I'm not saying Hangul is good, but it's clear that it's better than kanji.

>>19088967
Who decided on those factors? How about asthetics and beauty? Kanji are obviously suited to Japanese even beyond that. No point in complaining about Kanji if you want to learn Japanese, if you don’t, stop shitposting.

>>19088967
doesnt matter its the coolest

>>19088912
なるほど..つまり、どういう意味

>>19088995
>Who decided on those factors?
Me, because my opinion is fact.

>>19088967
>I'm not saying Hangul is good, but it's clear that it's better than kanji.
Depends on the metric. If you're talking just pure efficiency, then sure. But in the same vein, there are plenty of languages that are much better than English in that regard.

But Hangul is ugly as fucking sin. You couldn't pay me to learn that system, and if Japanese used something similar, I'd seriously consider giving up on the language. It's among the dullest and most lifeless writing systems in the world.

It's a million times easier for me to learn a few thousand kanji.

>>19088995
>kanji
>aesthetic
>beautiful
Japanese were never be as beautiful and aesthetic as English.

>と思います

>>19089028
Japanese has very different aesthetics compared to European languages. But Kanji are definitely aesthetic. Japanese language would lose a lot if swapped to phonetic writing (good thing it's impossible to do it)

>>19089010
こうらぜ

>>19088967
>efficiency of recognition
Fluent people manage fine with kanji.
>simplicity
Try binary then.
>maximal range of producible sounds
Irrelevant, and also contrary to your goal of simplicity.
>minimal number of characters
Again, try binary.

>>19089021
You have fucking autism. Hangul is quite literally the same as western writing systems, but each character represents a syllable, so it has three letters bunched in there, kinda like ™.

>>19089127
>Fluent people manage fine with kanji.
Not as good, and not as efficiently as fluent people of better languages though.

>>19089021
Is Hangul efficient? Optimising your script for learning sounds like a pretty dumb idea, given that most people spend most of their time reading fluently rather than learning.

>>19089134
It's not optimizing for learning, it's optimizing for general use.
Even Japanese don't know all Kanji, and get the readings of uncommon kanji wrong.
kanji is a disaster of a writing system, not to mention all the different and inconsistent readings.

>>19089133
What I've seen of Japanese literacy and reading rates suggests otherwise.
>>19089144
No one knows all the words in English either, and native speakers make a lot of pronunciation and spelling mistakes.

I...I kinda get the general meaning of 引きましたよね in this page, something along the lines of her being afraid saying all that will make him think badly of her, but none of the 19 meanings attached to 引く from jisho seems to fit.

How would you describe the meaning of 引く here?

>>19089163
How the fuck are you watching manga without furigana and asking such a stupid question at the same time?

>>19089163
She layed a cable, obviously.

>>19089175
I mean, none of those kanji are very hard, the one I have to check if true is 年齢 and 値 in 恋愛経験値.

Also probably because it doesn't seem to make sense in English translations for me, due to ESL? I don't know man I can't seem to grasp the exact translation for 引く

>>19089163
えいごでせつめいできない

これ
http://zokugo-dict.com/20to/donbiki.htm

how much do you value being able to write kanji by hand?

>>19089206
>場の空気が悪くなったり
"spoils the mood", huh.

So in the pixiv comic I posted, the 引きました is an abbreviation of ドン引き instead of just 引きます by itself?

>>19089163
3番目の意味だよ
>引く
3. to draw back (e.g. one's hand); to draw in (one's chin, stomach, etc.); to pull in​
あんな本みたらフツーの女は引くもんな！Obviously a normal woman would lose interest if she saw a book like that!

>>19089224
0

>>19089224
I love it, and spend a lot of time doing it. But in the end it's even more useless than learning Japanese itself.

>>19089203
Being an ESL should only broaden your horizons more regarding something like that.

>>19089175
furigana doesnt matter unless you already know the words but not their kanji, otherwise it just lets you pretend you know how to read and makes to easier to look words up
and its not like manga with furigana are much easier than those without it, it's all the same shit with some outliers

>>19089163
you should know that one from anime bro

>>19089235
Yeah, I know from experience that the english direct translations of my native language can be narrow or stifling, but I somehow wrongly assumed Japanese-English is much better since neither are my native language. The blind judging a blind artist's painting, I guess.

>>19089238
>you should know that one from anime bro
didn't watch anime, I much prefer watching still images or reading those R18 novels

>>19089238
>and makes to easier to look words up
That's the whole point.

>>19089248
nah it's for kids that hear words and can understand it from hearing it/being a native speaker but don't know the kanji yet/very well