/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Threadly reminder to pay your respects to the collages.

>>19041384
No more collages?
I understand if the guy cant make them anymore, but damn I will miss those.

I fucked up the previous thread link, can anyone fix that pls

I can't believe collages is fucking dead

>>19041304
>>19041304
>>19041596

>Previous thread
>>19002334

>>19041650
denks

Is collageanon still here? If so, I would like to ask, would it be better to wait for you to make the threads or no?

The new Unison Impact ability is way stronger than I expected, holy shit.

Stop obsessing over /vg/ tier random funny word images.

>>19042791
no

>>19042653
Post logs

I'm new to Elona. Is there any way to make the normal log more than 4 lines big? I know there's the expanded log, but I'd like to see a bit more in the always present one.

>>19042971
I did around 375k damage to Sophia with it. Boosting my party with Rampage probably helped, too.

>>19043072
Other than the '/' key, I don't know

>>19043140
What's the condition for a full-out attack again?

>>19041304
Here is important question. Can I nut inside a god in this game?

>>19043521
Yes

>>19043521
You can nut inside basically anything, from little girls to eldritch monstrosities.

>>19043558
>>19043591
Great, then it's time to get a copy.

>>19014026
Posted it mostly to get response if something looks wrong, ugly, or simply retarded and stuff.
I've had some hopes to add other customized spritesheets and upload them together, but now i'm away from civilization and decent internet for at least a week. Feel free to upload it somewhere if its for modpaste, no idea when i'll be able to make my own minimod with this rl stuff.

Have to even disable images on 4chan to get there, imagine.

>>19041304
>Latest Custom: E+C 1.76fix.1

Uh, it's been 1.77.1 for awhile now, also...

>Good catch, you are absolutely right, I'll fix it as soon as I have time and release a bugfix version.

New version soon
>a day ago

How do I get a follower to come with me after I've told them to stay in my home?

>>19043591
How does one go about doing that, exactly?

>>19044798
Find a bartender, choose Call back an ally

>>19042791
Try making non-/vg/ tier first maybe to show us how it should be done.
Collages most of the time reflected contents of the previous thread with gags on in-game moments, what else do you need for good OP image.
>>19044798
Special action "call familliar", refer to wiki for requirements to get it, i forgot.

>>19044821
>>19044826

I feel like an idiot, as I rightly should. Thank you, Anons.

>>19044814
When your house is rank 1, wish for a god. Speak, invite them to your home. (T)hrow beer at them or (G)ive them some, I forget which. You want a music note over their head. Bump into them and ask for lil tail. Pretty sure this is more or less it.

>>19044862
Prostitution is the boring way. Real men force sleep sharing.

>>19044869
Next challenge: force sleep-sharing on inner god jure.

>>19044869
Well he asked how. That means he's a novice so I gave the novice solution. He's not a pillar of manliness like you.

how do I get wood chips quickly?

>>19044970
*shrug*

Stand on a grasslands panel, use a magical map rod or something, NUMPAD * to scan, teleport to the edge if nothing, leave, immediately reenter, repeat.

This is all I can think of.

>>19044862
I don't think a lil tail works for gods, they are unique NPCs

>Internally, the game refers to prostitutes (NPC-id 335) as "bitch":

if ( cdata(27, tc) == 335 ) {
p = instr(buff, 0, "%BITCH," + lang("JP", "EN"))
break

Found this gem while browsing the wiki.

>>19045074
Bitch means slut in Japanese.

>>19044970
Rob Yowyn.

Is that 480k+ lines file with barely any comments the only source we have? Because fucking christ how do peoples manage to work with that.

>>19043521

Unironically yes.

>>19046855
Yes.
It's a decompiled version, hence why it has no comments and obscure variable names.

Can you martial arts fine with a shield?

Reaching lvl 201 in the void is a massive pain in the ass.

>>19047195

What do I even do with all of these hearts I keep getting though? Is there any use for them outside of pets you happen to want to evolve?

This is why I always check random merchants. Pretty amazing pet ring.

Remind me how big I make the borders when making Elona sprites please. Lost all my old stuff when my PC died.

>>19047207
I use them as house decor, but you can sell them if you're poor.

Finally got a <God Heart>. Lulwy's Trick should be pretty OP.

>>19047014
Yes, you can even equip two shields if you want, or use a shield and a tonfa.
Tonfas are actually just shields, the difference is that an actual shield will give you all the bonuses/penalties from Shield skill (increased defense and shield bash procs, minor casting chance penalty), while tonfas are always precious items (designed for martial artists) that works a bit like weapons (blacksmith upgrades will improve your damage instead of your defenses) and won't actually use the Shield skill (but it will train your shield skill anyway).

What should I do to store all my stuff in my home? I've now been hit with being unable to drop any more things on the ground, but I don't have any containers to put things in outside of my cooler box and the fridge. You'd think the bookshelf in your home at the start would act as a container you can open and put books in, but I guess that was too logical.

>>19047569
Buy a pair of stairs (up and down) and drop them in your house.
You can find a bookshelf that works like a container in Palmia's magic shop (get some teleport wands and kick everyone out of the area before trying to steal it, including neighbors). You can also find a potion container on Vernis' magic shop (use the same trick).

>>19047592
>Buy a pair of stairs (up and down) and drop them in your house.
Where? I haven't seen stairs in any shops so far. Or I don't remember seeing them, at least.
>You can find a bookshelf that works like a container in Palmia's magic shop (get some teleport wands and kick everyone out of the area before trying to steal it, including neighbors). You can also find a potion container on Vernis' magic shop (use the same trick).
Is there no way to get them without stealing them?

>>19047603
They're sold by the furniture vendors at the embassy occasionally I think.
They're practically guaranteed at some of the Noyel Festival vendors.

>>19047569
Earlier today I placed down a storage house then put a shelter inside it. Seemed to work. Try a shelter in your home I guess.

>>19047603
>Where?
You can find stairs furniture on Noyel during the Jure Festival (December only) and in Ludus during the Rain Festival (August only).
>no stealing
Invest some cash on furniture vendors at the embassy, I guess. Even at high shop rank you still have to deal with RNG and time-limited restock.

>>19047610
50+ shop rank had them appear at times for me, throw as much as you can afford.

I didn't even know there was a shop rank mechanic. Thanks for the advice.

>>19047539
Thanks! I was starting to get worried about not seeing any multihits but I am probably at just too low a level to see any.

>>19047764
Multihits are granted by equipment bonuses, you don't get them from skill.
Rather, the weapon skill used determines the LIMIT on how many you can get.

Is it still possible to knock bloodsucking off living weapons? I got +720 magic attack enhancement at level 10 but I'm hoping to get 1500 on a single item so I don't have to waste artifact fusion slots. What's the max level of a living weapon?

>>19047963
No, it's unavoidable now.
Now it's more about mitigating bleeding if you want a weapon that good.

i like this

>>19048037
It's funny up until they're cluster bomb rocks and they're all surrounding the staircase you entered from.

>>19048107
>surrounding the staircase you entered from
I wonder how I'd solve that little puzzle.

>>19048187
You'd think it'd be obvious, but retreat/teleporting is often a foreign concept to players.

Do 2 handers really not get any unique special actions for them or are they good enough without them and that was done to balance other weapon types?

wtf is a leccho

>>19048107
You can also wet the bomb rocks to prevent them from exploding. The bubble spell/rod comes in handy.

>>19048870
Doesn't always get the whole room though.
But I bet alchemical rain would do the trick.

>>19048870
Small bits of information like this that I'd never have come across on the wiki or figured out myself are why I come to this thread.

>>19049118
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Status_effects

then CTRL+f Elona+, read how Wet affects things in Elona+...

C'mon now, Wet is a status and you didn't put 1+1 together for an answer. The wiki isn't perfect/outdated here n there, I know. Still, a wiki is only as good as the community willing to contribute to it. Also, it's up to people who browse it to use their head. Something bad/out of place/method [y] is better than [x]? Suggest a fix or do it yourself.

A tip, read the comments on a page of your interests. Timestamp of the year posted by someone helps you in regards to trusting the info. Or, you could just try a tip/hint. Treat the game as a game, experiment. Explore. I got a lot of good info this way.

So lads, this game is basically a do anything you want in this magical medieval anime setting, right? is it good?

>>19049650
I wasn't complaining about the wiki being shitty and not having the info. I was more saying how I wouldn't have come across it naturally since I don't tend to read articles about things unless I'm playing and see something I'm curious about.

>>19047339
help :(

>>19049662
yes and i still dont get why people come to generals ran by people who like a game and ask if its good. we wouldn't be here if we didnt think it was good

>>19049662
Try this, start a game, go SE to a town that's near your cave. Meet a special someone/thing from your past. After that it's whatever you want.

Fun is entirely on you. Want to nuke a town? Bring 12k to Derphy, find Noel. I hope you can weather the rammifications.

Wanna slut around? (G)ive NPC booze then ask for a lil tail. You get paid but there is a price you pay for it...

Wanna be a necromancer? A certain graveyard can help you get started.

Want to crush the world with just your fists? You can but it's a tough road for a long time.

You can boost CHArisma to allow more "pets". Create your own harem.

These are just some of the things. An anon in this thread said...
>Next challenge: force sleep-sharing on inner god jure.
Rape, a god. So, what's fun for you?

>>19049736
I mean idk i've sunk like 2000 hours into Warthunder and even i admit that it isn't all that good and if i could go back in time i'd yell at myself not to fucking start that sexy looking airplane/tank game.

>>19049662
>do anything you want in this magical medieval anime setting
yes. Its pretty much a sandbox/roguelike with focus on roleplay and amusing coincidences involving NPCs.
> is it good?
Reasonably good. Most of Elona's distinct features are aimed for roleplay in one way or another so if its your cup of tea, its one of the best games out there. As a pure combat/survival game, it is mediocre and very much outdated.
>>19049736
I dont get your question. What border? Do you mean sprite size? Then its 48x48 with x000000 black being transparent.

>>19049779
48 x 48 is what I meant yea thanks.

>>19047207
Might want to keep them if you plan on crafting "perfect" equipment.

Can you finish the game solo? i dont think a lone character can 1v1 meshera alpha or anthumesis

>>19047207
Catch a bunch of monsters and evolve all you are still missing in your collection at your discarded ranch zoo.

Has anyone done a extra races run? i imagine only the 'god' tagged ones are useful at all

>>19050328
Lone character can one-shot meshera alpha with any weapon. Overleveling, using debuffs, adding extra arms/hands, using meteor vs [Oil]-status target, there are dozens of various aproaches to kill strong enemies solo in Elona. You have something like a hundred of various tools to aid you in combat, use them.[>>19047207
I use all my hearts to roll artifact base item type using pot of fusion recipe.

>>19050381
God tagged ones are pretty meh. You get a big penalty for INI in exchange. Main benefit is custom equipment slots - <god> or <bacteria> have only basic slots, you can add the rest with Gevala service. Quickling may be a good choice if you plan to reset your stats/ini with <Maile> service later in act2.
Only those races have somewhat game-changing or effective through the whole game effects among the basic ones:
fairy
mutant
elea
golem
snail
yerles
rest are no different from extra races, feel free to chose what suits your character/backstory/inner munchkin the best.

>>19050468
I like to start as a quickling despite being one shotted by anything,now i cant play anything with lower base speed

fuck me,thats a bad habit

>>19050328
I never use pets on any character for anything other than breeding since I find they play the game for me. Its still a very easy game. Absolutely no issue to solo everything in the game.

>>19050519
Say you are a Claymore or warrior character focused on 1v1ing enemies,how the fuck do you deal with rooms swarmed with enemies from all sides? especially those late ones in cradle of chaos

>>19050534
By hitting them in the face. I've always simply scaled so fast because I'm hogging all the exp I can just spam the teleport move and 1 shot everthing. Never use magic or guns. Always just pure melee, pure solo. Never had any issues even on the character who got as far as content existed.

>>19050534
SPacts. Also don't neglect your magic, you should be casting buff spells like hero and speed at the least. Then be sensible with the order you kill things in.

>>19050564
I dislike how magic is RNG in this game,you either get the good spells from deams or you dont

And i just found out you dont need to carry a pickaxe to destroy walls,after one year of playing

Is there any way your equipment can be permanently destroyed by enemies/events?

>>19050701
fire/ice element can destroy equipment when you dont have protective blanket in inventory, especially when your resists are low.
>>19050628
you just buy wish scrolls and read them alltogether. you only need to do that for meteor and water ball, other spells are learned from books. its weird that you still rely on dreams to get spellstock after a year.
you can even order specific books from spellwriter if you go mage route, but you usually get too many books from dungeon floors/magic vendors either way.
>>19050534
spam swarm if pure melee.

>>19050628
It is pretty irritating that the only way to farm for Meteor and Wish is through Scrolls of Wonder, but I'd rather have that than to have Ano nerf Meteor or magic more than it already is.

>>19050519
If anything, pets make game much more complicated, and I can only appreciate that.
Riding mechanics is pretty fun alone, pets with various special effects allow interesting ways of combat etc etc.

>>19050886
Ano boosted magic in general and Meteor in particular in previous update. AoE spells are almost always weaker vs single targets in most games, and magic is very powerful in that sense. Stack resolution hand+divine wisdom+a few living weapons with MAG boost+debuff with alchemical rain megid flame and oil/water and you deal crazy damage. Water spells ignore everything and can clear armor/metal enemies extremely easy.
You just dont know how to use magic efficiently in Elona. Even without overpowered meteor, magic is the best ranged/aoe damage source in this game, yet it adds a bunch of additional effects on top.

>>19050950
I haven't really been paying attention to the patch notes for about a year, I just remember It enchances[sic] your spells was reduced to like half of what it used to be.
And I didn't mean to say magic doesn't do damage, Meteor is amazing.

By living weapon with MAG boost you just mean the +Attribute, right?
Not the added magic damage since that's melee/ranged only.

>>19050991
I mean, even without meteor magic is amazing when your equipment is tailored for it. I meant +MAG attribute, yes.
Aside from spellpower+, you can only boost damage with inflating +MAG stat bonus. Resolution hand adds up to 400 MAG, 5 living weapons add ~500 MAG, Divine Wisdom adds a metric shitton on top. Itzpalt bonus. A few items to get additional ice/fire damage on magic spells, megid flame pet for debuff and voila - your balls oneshot maxlevel enemies.
A whole room of enemies, i mean.

This is a pretty serious enemy.

>>19051037
>her

>>19051032
How can you use 5 living weapons at once? Extra hands?

>>19051064

Yes.

What do you all think are the best weapon types in the game? Lightsabers look like the clear choice when dual wielding, and it seems to me that laser pistols are as good as or better than other firearms at basically everything.

If you're going 2H, do y'all think the higher damage of something like a claymore would beat out a lightsaber's armor penetration?

>>19049662
It's an excellent sandbox combined with a shitty tactics game.

>>19047764
>>19047784
I thought that the martial arts skill does eventually provide multihits, but only if both hand slots are totally empty. Is that wrong? If you can get MA's monstrous damage without giving up any equipment slots for enchantments, what's the point of weapon skills?

>>19051229
yes

I've been wasting my time by not awakening really high level dungeons. I'm getting levels and AP up the ass.

>>19051229
I've done two save scummy min-max mutants to try this shit before. One was all weapons, the other held a 2 handed wep and used every other slot to make that better. The single weapon was better. Most of the many weps would miss and you needed a lot of them to do the same damage as the 2 handed hitting, At super impractically high levels, I could see many weapons being better, but at that point anything would be good. And I suspect unarmed would be the best at those levels anyways.
Unfortunately those chars were on my old PC so I can't see exactly what I had on them.
Magic was stronger than the many weapons on the many weapon guy, if I stacked for it. Accurate, 1 shot everything in groups, beating out melee and shooting easily.
Shooting was meh no matter what I did. You can't get multiple shooty slots far as I can tell.

Oh and as for the specific wep in each type, I found the weps that simply had bigger numbers did better damage, armor piercing and the like didn't really matter.

I'm wondering just what to do with this character now I flagrantly savescummed a party time quest til I got my hands on a <Zweibel>. I'm thinking about trying to get as many cursed scrolls of flying as possible so I can abuse two handing it and making it my main weapon, for obvious reasons.

>>19051229
>I thought that the martial arts skill does eventually provide multihits, but only if both hand slots are totally empty. Is that wrong?
It still doesn’t give you multiple hits. It raises the cap from 4 to 8 hits.

>>19051267
DW mutant can level DW and weapon skill crazy fast. add shield in last slot, increase all weapon's weight for at least 2x crit, add equipment that increases crit chance, be predator, wear equipment with PAW proc. Its silly that you went out of your way to make a savescummed mutant yet made no effort to maximize it's
potential.
>>19051229
lightsabers are good unless you aim for 5k vorpal rating on mutant, in which case spears are the best (they give a good PV bonus as well, extremely valuable for multi-handed mutant)
base damage is irrelevant, only penetration and weapon weight(bonus for cirt damage) matters
best ranged weapon is a living shuriken converted into stone with pot of fusion, then deus ex manina's firearm, then ballista, then laser pistol/machinegun.

Only DW skill provides multihit bonus. MA is good because of the attribute buff first and foremost, base damage is subpar if you compare to shield&2+ weapons, twohand or highlevel DW with heavy weapons. empty-handed MA allows 8x extra attacks limit instead of 4x.

>>19051445
>think I didn't do this shit
lolnerd

>>19051500
Simply boosting perception gives more flat damage than getting a bunch of adamantium arms. Crits, vorpal attacks, PAW, invokes, lifting of weight/hit limit by equipping shield, 100% hitrate during timestop - there is simply no way to deal less damage unless you equip your mutant with a bunch of rusty knives and never buff yourself/dont abuse good ether diseases.
I know you didn't do this shit - properly equipped multiweapon mutant is broken as fuck and Ano will never be able to nerf it unless he limits total number of attacks per turn.

>>19051590
but I did :)
Other than timestop. Rare.

>>19051032
For really late game, <Frisia's tail> adds a ton of MAG.

If I've only been farming so far and want to start getting into dungeons, should I use the magic gardening abilities? It does waaay more damage (1500 vs my puny 60 with melee), but I fear that I will gimp myself with that.

>>19051598
>timestop
>rare
>i did
>not getting enough crits pre-nerf
>not using shield/tonfa in last hand
>i bet not even using garrok hammer'ed ammo for crit boost
At least put more effort next time when making min-maxed char. And inflate your stats.
In short,
you tried, and
you failed :)

>>19051646
You have to understand that it deals POISON element damage based on your LRN*your Gardening.
It requires a bit of work but you can rely it all the way til the end of act 3 and even for the first 300-400 levels of The Void. You will need to level buffs Diving Wisdom and Regen and debuff Nightmare(vs bosses). Level your learning by gene engineering slaves in Derphy, reading difficult books and crafting with alchemy skill. Actually growing all your seeds in multiple farms is the key to level gardening extremely fast.
3 Living weapons with gardening/LRN bonus will boost Violent Garden's damage tremendously.
Level marksmanship for Rampage buff, get funny damage numbers versus <provoke>d enemies.

>>19051749
nah i succeeded, i 1 shot everything i hit, while you needed multiple hits like a pleb

Is there a way to have pets strike neutral targets without the PC having to strike them 1st? Beggars, nobles, etc. I want pets to attack without me having to "provoke" with bullets/melee/SPact on the target.

>>19052098
1shotting lv6666 enemies? Okay.jpg
Bullying the weak is not a good way to measure your strength.
no, really, extra arms give minuscle bonus to base damage, left me dissatisfied on void diving char

Talk about damage, made a paste on damage-related stuff. Its basically a rough draft, feel free to correct/edit.

>>19052207
oops. link got lost halfway
https://pastebin.com/NeG47CyV

>>19052163
i did all the damage ;). like 2 years ago so maybe its out of date but changelogs dont look like much that's actually relevant changed in terms of purely hitting dudes in faces

>>19052163
Only person who can really say anything about killing lv 6,666 monsters is probably Kai. Nobody else has posted evidence of them getting that far. For that matter, what is Kai's opinion of mutants anyhow?

i remember him posting about them like 2 years ago and thats why i made my mutants. at the time he was theory crafting if multi-armed or double hand would do better damage. but he didnt want to make one to find out because it didnt really matter and he was happy with whatever race his dude is

>>19052351
Purely theoretical, he has never played any.

>>19052351
You can make a test voidcap/statcap save in ~2 mins using elosnack, no need to grind capped char for months just for this. Equipment editing will take 10 mins or so.

From my experience, biggest benefit from DW was from using ball invokes and 4 timestop weapons in top slots. Single target damage was too insane to care about boosting it even further and unleashing a chain of ball spells was fun, especially in packed rooms.

>>19052212
Where do you acquire such technical knowledge like this? It's a desire of mine in the future to know the ins and outs of this game and understand how to perfectly min max, but it seems like you'd need to dig into the code to figure some of this out.

Also correction on the ice vs lightning: Ice does a bit more damage vs wet targets than lightning but I'm not sure how much.

>>19052593
>Where
>you'd need to dig into the code
its not that hard, just time consuming. you can compare most c/sdata values to elosnack tables to make it easier to decipher formulas.

Good note about ice, I forgot that part. Random item destruction by Ice element is too annoying to recommend it, either way. Seems like magatama is a bit bugged here, doesnt work at all times.
Maybe I'll try to add actual formulas later if i have time, currently its just something i could remember on the spot.

>>19052638
>>19052593
Is lightning just BadIce?
It has lower damage per power too, doesn’t it?

>>19052638
I didn't know it was so easy to get the source of this game. Then again I never looked.

>>19052755
Yes lightning has less damage dice per level.

>>19044814
you just throw alcohol at them

>>19052490
I don't care about fighting weaklings though. I'm only interested in the numbers from maxed out enemies. I know it's easy to make a test character.

>>19052801
It was about clearing rooms filled with maxed out void enemies. Even MA mutant can onepunch inner gods if you simply fill slots with claws.
>>19052755
Ice can permanently destroy an item on tile, lightning can make enemy skip a turn. Ice is usually not worth it for me - seeing hermes potion shattering under soe yeek's ass is pretty annoying.
>>19052771
Decompiled source is included with Custom mod.

I do not think I will be clearing this Void level any time soon.

>>19052351
With Kai I killed Lv 6666 void enemies in one "bump"/action with MA. Not needing all 8 of my attacks too. Ones with more than 100 life leading to tons of hp I could kill sometimes in one if I got all 8 attacks or I'd need two or three if I was really unlucky. This is post multi hit and crit nerf too.

Can't say much for mutants but in theory I believe they could kill cap monsters in one bump too. I would hope so at least. Considering how much work some people go through for them I'd be pissed if there was no pay off.

On a side note, how does the tons of attacks nerf work with mutants who have pets? My guess is that if you play as a mutant your party is going to be awfully small or nonexistent if you want crazy with hands. Don't know if this is the case though but I'm curious about this. Would like to know how that nerf works with pets thrown in the mix.

>>19052930
You can easily overcome nerf by destroying enemies in less than 50 attacks, after all. Its a very annoying nerf for midgame/pet arena, especially when your pets spam slow debuff.

>>19052930
What buffs if any were you using?

>>19053103
Attribute and clear mind. If I used other buffs I'd be hitting harder I'm sure. Things get pretty crazy with rampage or the fury status in general.

best 2H weapon for early game? gaia hammer from opatos i guess?

whats this nerf you all talking about exactly? been gone for like 2-3 years.

>>19053191
That's tricky to answer. Early game you're just trying to get the biggest and baddest thing you can hit someone over the head with. So the gaia hammer is good but the most damaging two handed weapon outside of inner god weapons is a very heavy living lightsaber. After that is a living claymore. After that I think is living maces/hammers.

I'm having my ally go two hand and planning for end game so I'm making sure she levels her long sword skill so I don't have to worry about her accuracy later. To that end I have her equipped with the "Claymore" artifact but if I didn't have that I'd probably just equip her with an adamantium or ether regular claymore. Eventually I'll craft her a living lightsaber and fill it with magic damage. Then I'll make it very heavy with cursed flying scrolls.

>>19053239
Crit nerf deals with a reduction of your chance to crit after a certain amount of attacks in a single action. The multi hit nerf deals with players that do >50 attacks before the enemy gets a turn to act having their damage nerfed for hits beyond 50.

>>19053239

The game tracks how many times you hit something before they act. You do full damage the first 50 hits, 51-60 hits you do 80% each it, 61-70 hits you do 60% damage, etc.

It also nerfs your crit chance relative to how many attacks you get in a turn. It is still very useful to have for Multihand characters, just not as abusable.

It doesn't *really* nerf most sensible characters and pets, it mostly affects "Time Stop" Procs for multi-hand Mutants, and makes 7+ Hand Mutants/pets start to give severe diminishing returns in tandem with those procs. With 6 attacks I will brush up against the 50 hit threshold against beefy non-bosses (who don't have astronomical evasion) when the Time Stop effect procs.

>>19053301
Eh that don't sound too bad at all thanks

>>19053403

Yea. It really isn't that significant, it just puts an upper limit on how hard you can break the system with multi hand shenanigans.

Plus Two Handed is probably better in the long run *anyways* so...

Other than the ball attacks what are some other useful offensive spells I can use to kill dumb shit from a safe distance? Is dart still the go-to single target long range spell?

>>19053883
Bolts tend to scale up with magic/lvl the fastest, then darts, then balls. Use balls to clear rooms, then bolts for single targets. The only advantage that darts have is cheaper mana and stock cost and no friendly fire.

>>19053905
Is there a way to stop bolt from murdering items too or is that just something you have to always be careful of?

>>19053928
dont use fire or ice spells, thats whats destroying items

>>19053928
Only fire and ice spells can damage items. You can carry a magatama with you to prevent your fire spells from damaging items. No such thing for ice spells, though.

Am I correct in the assumption that the only condition for the rare loot trigger, is that more than 10 minutes have passed since the previous load?

>>19053979
>>19053975
Alright thanks. One more question, do I need to carry blankets if everything I'm wearing is fire/acidproof or can they also damage unequipped items?

>>19054177
unequipped items included, trust me, ive lost potions of potential to carelessness

>>19054177

Fire and ice can also destroy any scrolls, spellbooks, and potions you're carrying. High resistances can reduce the odds of this happening, but carry several blankets anyway just in case.

If all your equipment is acidproofed, then you should be safe against acid attacks. Acid can't damage unequipped items.

>>19054177
Fire/ice can destroy unequiped items, but if your character has superb resistance to fire/cold or carries a blanket it can't destroy them.

You can tell the informer your birthday, does it matter or is it just for roleplay purposes?

>>19054990
It sort of matters, it makes your salary contains an envelope and adventurers that likes you give you gifts.

>>19055378
Thanks for the information.

Who is the cutest goddess? And why is it the wish goddess?

>>19051037
Incidentally the serpent of chaos is the big bad of PosChengband

>>19055606
I wish the game would let me worship her.

A lot of posts in here are saying that 2H characters should use the heavies weapon possible. Does the bonus from the 2H skill increase as weapon weight goes up, or does weight have some direct effect on your damage?

How exactly does the # it combine fire and cold spell equipment attribute work?

Is it worth trading 11 oracle scrolls for this?

>>19056413
read
>>19052212

Twohand skill adds damage multiplier when weapon counts as 'heavy', but it doesnt scale with excessive weapon weight. You get better crits with very heavy weapon.

>>19056760
Perfect, thanks!

>>19056752
It really depends on your situation. Proximity assist weapon is nice to have if you're a melee fighter. Do you have pickpocketing? Scrolls are light. It's not too hard to steal them back. You can put the adventurer to sleep to improve your chances.

>>19056806
I'm a Warmage so I do both melee and magic. I don't have pickpocket so I can't steal them back. She has two items I want but I don't have quite enough oracle scrolls for both.

>>19056751
fire spells do extra ice damage, ice spells do extra fire damage

>>19056873
Thanks.

play new character
just hit lvl 10 and have lvl 8 exile pet
use scroll of oracle
see super lure
want to make quick lots of gold
but the adventurer is a mage, and I am likely too weak to kill him
have superb fire resistance
hire adventurer
send pet to town
go to Noyel
wait until adventurer contract ends
open Ebon's chain
Ebon kills adventurer
get super lure
get the fuck out of Noyel

I love Elona.

He won't be super regenning out of that one
Also Unison Impact is fucking broken

On the off chance the anon still posts here, there was one like 2-3 years ago who did sprite requests, and I said something like sadako from the ring and he did it the madman. But my PC which had that sprite is dead. Entirely. Doesn't even turn on, so I can't carry it over.
If you here, do you by any chance keep a record of sprites you made, and if so can you post it? She also had a cute little dress

>>19057489
It really is. Thanks 1.77 for letting me finish act 3.

>>19057489
>>19058009
Damn. As if pets needed more of a boost.

I don't use pets ever and I can't find it on the wiki. What's unison rush?

>>19058517
Party gauge attack, read the changelog

Seems the issue is its usion impact, not rush. Seems like an I win button.

Which one should I get to dump in my breeding farm? I feel it would be a bit immoral to take the little girl.

>>19058679
there are no morals in elona

>>19058710
Well, there is karma.

>>19058787
Karma can be restored by killing and resurrecting bards Bards or Younger Sisters.
There's a reason Elona doesn't have a good god that wants you to do nice things. They're all materialists.

I feel like I'm making no progress. Shop isn't pumping out money like I expected and I'm sick of risking my life in dungeons for fuckall gain. Level 14, how do I make myself a living god now?

>>19059479
sell expensive stuff, not random crap: cure corruption pots, oracle scrolls, crafted stuff. do job board quests, clear map of harvest time quests for stardust, gold and bronze coins. if you cant finish it with your speed, buy a horse and ride it.
Early game money is mostly from cargo trading, preaching/dancing in party time quests and from selling oracle scrolls/cure corruption pots.

>>19059479
lvl 51 here, try adding ranches and farms. You'll also get more money and plat from quests as your fame increases. Do you have pot of fusion? It multiplies earnings from farms and ranches. Also, I myself have 1 shop atm, but already bought 2 more deeds because 1 isn't enough to sell my items fast enough, don't need big party to accompany me either.

>>19059479
Catch rabbits, breed them. My best character had 13 rabbits farms if I remember right. Since I think I had my last two pets handle two shops. Had more than enough cash to do anything and since this was pre-nerf, I also had probably hundreds of luck.

>>19046943
>>19046855

Speaking of source code, anyone have any idea who's running that C++ port called Elona Foobar?
It's still decompiled, but it looks like the dev (devs?) are making pretty good progress on unfucking the code.
Google's giving nothing but the github and a few scattered japanese tweets linking to it.

>>19059479
At your level you might just want to do escort quests and such for money. You need platinum to pick up skills anyway. Good equipment is the fastest path to early game power. Get something with decent PV and most low level enemies won't be able to touch you. Gather change material scrolls and once you've got a good number, bless them. In Elona+, 12 blessed change material scrolls will convert most materials into dragon scale (some materials will take less) which has good stats all around, and one more will give you adamantium, which has excellent damage on weapons and PV on armor.

What is a good way to train the armour skills? My light armour skill seems to grow much slower than my evades.

>>19060572
Well, they have to get through your evasion to actually hit you to give exp towards light armor. Perhaps find gear that drastically lowers your DV, and even gives negative levels in evasion and greater evasion.

any way to remove fuckin guns? This game is absolutely bomb but man the scifi shit ruins it for me.

Nani the fuck

>>19061252
beak must be pretty sharp.

>>19061252
Rule #1: You don't fuck with the kiwis.

I don't like being able to examine every character's inventory right from the start. This feels like it should be its own skill.

>>19059585
> pre-nerf, I also had probably hundreds of luck.
What nerf are you talking about? I don't think rabbit tails ever got any nerf.

>>19062036
Then don't do it.

>>19059585
>>19062037
Ah, sorry misread the post.

>>19062044
When do I gain the rights do it then
I wish it could be a progressive kind of thing

>>19059530
What do I ranch and farm? I have a farm but fruit doesn't sell that well

>>19059585
What do rabbits do?

>>19062147
>What do I ranch and farm? I have a farm but fruit doesn't sell that well
Rabbits have rabbit's feat that give you more luck when you eat them. Similarly, there are monsters like putits, horses, and beetles that make other attributes go up.

>>19062147
>what do rabbits do?
They fuck a lot

>>19062147
Rabbit's have a small chance to drop rabbit's tail which increases your luck by 1.
They also have a high breed rate, meaning they breed very fast.
Usually you should cook the rabbit corpses which quickly makes lots gp if you have a decent cooking skill.
Alternatively you can put the (fresh) rabbit corpses on the dryrock, which creates 5 jerky per corpse. It makes less money than cooking with a 100+ cooking skill, but still generates ~8k per rabbit corpse.

Halfway through Act III and I'm still using the Sage's Helm because See Invis just never fucking shows up.
I swear time stop is a more common affix.

>>19062225
Cool, but I need to raise charisma for more followers

>>19062305
That's what Investing is for.

I've made a custom NPC and given it Multiple Gather so that panic quests aren't such a chore but it seems like if it dies, it'll never use Multiple Gather ever again after I've resurrected it. Not even custom AI can get it going.
What's up with this?

>>19062287
Just use bubble storm if you hear potions exploding.

>>19062330
I'd rather not get slapped in the face with a disaster potion beforehand.

>>19062305
That's why you need multiple ranches, so you can raise every stat.

Shit.

Is there a way to get statues/pets of npcs that are unique and disappear after you kill them or go away after certain parts of the story?

So I am color blind, the 1st mutation I got Is color blindness (Per -5)

>>19062578
Heres the proof

>>19062618
Thanks I didn't believe that mutation existed in the game or that you were lying, so glad you've alleviated that.

wew

>>19062729
Very nice. Use a rubynus material kit on that and it's endgame-worthy.

>>19060939
Taken from https://gist.github.com/ElonaFoobar/253dd0fc0a6a8a87eb965739043754c0

Custom NPCs, races, classes. You can add new ones, modify and delete existing ones. You can...

Fix the AI of Zeome.
Create a new class, King, and use it for Xabi.
Add Weight Lifting skill to warrior class.
Make Wynan the true fighter which do only melee attack with his artifact.

I guess you'll be waiting for Elona Foobar. Seems the dev/devs wants everything on the table as moddable.

https://github.com/ElonaFoobar/ElonaFoobar
He/they are definitely plugging away at it!

>>19059614
Thanks! I just returned to Elona and the 1st thing I looked for was progress on JDstroy's Elona Java port. Seemed dead but now you present Foobar to me. Great time to come back! How'd you stumble onto this?

>>19063133
Java Port is working iirc, however you i just cant play vanila now after all the goodness of Plus/custom. I guess its too hard to keep up with Plus updates for Foobar at the moment.

>>19062481
You can get precious artifacts from the void?

>>19063257
Yeah, any void boss NPC will carry whatever they normally have, and that anon apparently got Utima.

You can also get cards and figures you missed that way.

>>19063257
Yes. You can actually go up and down a set of stairs while spamming oracle to try and force one to spawn. Its probably not that efficient but I grinded ogre pants like that. Just cast regen and rest once your SP gets low.

scut!

scut

Has anybody used Yacatect's bank to make money?
I'm farming 100mil to put in it to see if it's good, currently only at 35mil though.
I can't stop worshiping Kumiromi for the stamina regen, and if I can get money through the bank I can worship a real god like Itzpalt instead.

tfw have so much money my money makes money

>>19062037
I remember they nerfed the drop rate on the version after the one I did most of my farming in. I used to get about 8 tails per batch, after it was more like 4.

>>19064195
Ah yes, I just saw that in version 1.71 they lowered the rate to 2/3 it's previous rate.
Had a break in Elona so I was suprised at people getting 100s of luck from rabbit tail's without intentionally grinding for them. I remember getting around 1 tail per batch.
But it looks like the rare loot trigger added in 1.66-1.68 boosted the drop rates to crazy level, which in turn lead to the 1.71 droprate nerf.

How important is leveling compared to raising stats?

>>19064617
I say it's just as important. Levels helps your HP and MP totals as well as giving you very helpful bonus points to raise skills. The helpfulness of these bonus points is greatly magnified once you reach periods of very quick leveling in the game like I'm currently going through. Raising stats is important but don't neglect your levels or skills either. Lots of walls people encounter in the game can be solved if all three are properly taken care of and not allowed to be skimped on. Skill/Spell levels, attributes, and player level.

>>19064685
Been watching your videos and they're very helpful for learning what I should be focusing on. Two questions though. Any particular reason you hold off on sleeping early on and why did you shelve Mai when it looked like she was being useful.

>>19064685
Kai, what do you think is a good point to start tackling the inner gods ?
My current aim is 2000 all attributes and 1million hp.
My defender can cast slow so speed should not be an issue...
He's also at 2000 magic capacity and knows pressure, so if nothing goes wrong, the gods should never be able to use their gauge attack...

Link to kai's channel

>>19064754
Sleeping is useful for restoring spell potentials and quickly recovering your HP/MP. Especially once you have tons of both. So sleep when you can as much as you can. Having said that the reason why I've been holding off at the beginning is due to the fact that I'm not concerned about my spell potentials just yet because I don't really have a lot of spells to work with at game start. Don't think I was focusing on leveling spells in the beginning of the game so sleep wasn't too important. Also, another reason why I put it off is because I was trying to delay and reduce the amount of curses and bad mutations you possibly can get from sleeping. Wanted to have the means, gold or otherwise, to start curing them before I started to get hit by them. Later on I sleep as soon as I notice the message for it.

Left Mai at home to focus on my character growth. I plan on adding her back to the party later. I did the heavy lifting of growing my character without distractions early on because I know I can grow Mai quickly later on due to pet mechanics and having the resources to do so. Slightly off topic but I know mutants have their extra hands, arms, etc but I always considered pets to be my extra hands and arms.

Anyhow, word of warning, try not to read too much into some of my actions in those vids because sometimes those actions are just mistakes. I left them in the vids because A) I can't take them out anyhow because I'm playing loss mode and B) I'm content knowing and showing that you don't necessarily need to be this perfect player to create a really strong character. Just keep your eyes on what's really important in the long run to make your character strong. The goals I highlight for myself are usually what I consider to be important to work on.

What the fuck do I do about the Chaos Child that shows up after Enthumesis? I can't escape the area and he shits all over me.

>>19064950
Orphe? What about him that is hard?

>>19064762
Well just looking at your character your attributes are really high and possibly overkill for the inner gods. Only thing that I might look into for your attributes is possibly raising speed because the inner gods have 2k speed and could possibly get more actions in a turn than you. More importantly is your skill or spell levels. If whatever you're using for damage can do 15k or more to the normal gods you stand a good chance to kill their inner god form.

Make sure all your resists are as high as you can get them and pack blessed escape scrolls if the fight turns sour. Bring unicorn horns or stuff that brings down sanity levels for Kumiromi. Don't allow the gods to fill their gauge. Against the inner gods understand that they'll be hitting you with their inner god weapon which all have the chance to cast ragnarok. So you may or may not have to prepare for that.

I want to FUCK ebon

Can i even put it on a ranch and it will breed or its a one kind of monster deal?

>>19064963
Not Orphe, I'm talking about this asshole
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/The_Chaos_Child

>>19065080
Is this a new boss?

>>19065032

You can probably use an astral light pen to copy him.

>>19065087
If you could even consider him a boss, since he can't be killed.
Anyway, turns out all I had to do was run away until some NPCs appeared and sealed him.

>>19065453
Could you ALP him?

>>19065499
Maybe? I'm not sure that could be pulled off without wizard mode or being ridiculously high levelled. One hit instantly sent me to -90k health.

>>19062481

Well, either you haven't killed the boss yet, in which case he still has it, or you did and didn't loot it for whatever reason.

>>19066257
Constructive post.

>turn autosave off so i can get a female prostitute from pokeball
>do something stupid about 1 hour later
>reload
>back to the spot where i was with the pokeball as i forgot to save

Fuck me

any good amazon sprites for the player or allies?

>>19064020
Does it have some ability that isn't listed on the wiki?

>>19064020
Are you implying kumi isnt a real god?

>>19064999
I only wear rings so my resists are basically mutations and attribute shield. Guess i'll pad myself up some more before trying.

The defender have 2000 casting and knows hydrobolt so he's doing 100k+ each turn, good to know the damage output is good already.
I guess it makes sense since i'm routinely doing level 1000-1100 awakened dungeons, and i have not that much problem with the god monsters inside them.
I want to kill them by throwing dead fishes and shits only, but i think i'll need to use the defender's hydrobolts to first get the buster book and max throwing and tactics faster, thanks to the learning buff.

Mmmh, the wiki says "half a million" damage for his mana burst. I guess i have my minimum health requirement then.
One million for me and half a million for the defender seems like a good idea. Permadeath so can't wing it.

Any easy way to get fire resist early for the fire tower?

>>19067032

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gloves_of_Vesda, from Dragon's Nest.

>>19066334
>so i can get a female prostitute from pokeball

I've been there too, why does that happen? How do pokeballs work?

Do they erase the target npc from existance, and then generate a new one when you open them?

>>19067051
Yes. Domination on the other hand gives the exact NPC (after applying the God recruitment penalty)

>>19064020
>>19066409
So I just read the description in game. Seems like if you put in 1bil and manipulated time it's probably a faster money maker than machine lure fishing with 300+ cooking. Thanks for letting me know, now I can break the game even more.

>>19067051
In my headcanon, you capture their soul, and later their body is regenerated, but the process is not perfect and so they suffer consequences.
It's unrealistic to expect a tiny ball to hold their physical body after all!

If i marry meshera alpha,will i die by snu snu?

God damn I have been at editing ONE sprite for hours because I can never be satisfied with the look.

>>19067543
eat some herbs to raise your artist potential, youll find the process much quicker

>>19067543
>lost all my old sprites when changing computer
>can't get them right now
>lost all motivation to play until I get them right

I cant decide between opatos useful stats and yacatect better drops,i am playing a simple warrior

or kumi for SP spam,even if my speed is around 40-50 ish

>>19067911
Go with kumi. The stamina gen makes you better at everything and means you spend less time not teleport slashing things and more time getting exp from teleport slashing things.

How many pixels tall should a custom PCC be in order to appear the "right" size? Sprite experts please advise.

>>19067478
You'll probably get some weird STDs

Should I be concerned I spawned a second burger making the first one?
>>19068054
Looking at the male PCC sprite, it seems like 31 wide and 48 tall, judging how the left side of the sprite touches the left border, and the bottom pixels of the feet seem to be the very bottom of the sprite.

At what point do you stop stacking resists for specific elements and just stack magic resist?

>>19067911
I can't help but think Yacatect + Luck feat is kind of busted, or that they really increased the drop rate for precious items since I've last played. I've gotten 5 precious item drops, 5 happy beds and 15 stardust prior to hitting lvl 20.

>>19068897
>or that they really increased the drop rate for precious items since I've last played.
It is the rare loot trigger, and not Yacatect.
It was added in 1.66-1.68, and increases the chance for rare drops 5-20 times depending on the item.
The trigger activates if there haven't been more than 10 mintures since your last load. It was added to increase the drop rates after the quickload function was removed. Another goal of the rare loot trigger is to discourage save scumming.

>>19068923
>>19068897
>The trigger activates if there haven't been more than 10 mintures since your last load
Sorry, I meant the trigger activates if there have been more than 10 minutes since your last load.
It also increases the chance to get wishes from fountains to 5%.

Is there any point in guzzling from wells if you're not going to savescum spam? I don't want to become an african ebolamancer but I do want wishes.

>>19068935
You can get an item in act 3 which removes all the negatives from drinking from wells.

>>19068054
PCCs are 128x192 pixels and it's a 4x4 sprite sheet, so the size for each sprite is 32x48

>>19068935
Fairy hat gives resistance against mutations, there are also potions of evolutions which can be used to counter negative mutations.

>>19043521
Just stumbled in here on accident and uhhh, can I be a futa in this game? I'd like to be one and do this shit

>>19068963
You can be a dude with a female sprite, I guess
Gender is entirely cosmetic in this game

>>19068963
There's an item called Forbidden Meat that can change you into a hermaphrodite if it has been cursed. It may be important to note that sex is just another detail on your character sheet, and any combination of sexes can be together (and reproduce).

>>19068934
I see, the last time I played was in 1.61. It's kind of weird getting potentially endgame gear early on, I just hope it doesn't result in burning out of the game faster. This is my first time seeing godly equips and living weapons.

>>19068940
Good to know but I don't think I'll be getting there anytime soon.
>>19068956
I don't even think I realized that potions of evolution did that so I haven't been buying them when I see them, are they decently rare? I've been pretty consistently getting one potion of potential from my two shops in my home but I don't know if I've seen the evolution potions stocked much.

>>19068988
Potions of evolution always give positive mutations so they can be used to counter negative mutations you get from fountains/toilets.
>are they decently rare?
Rarer than potions of potential.
I am actually just grinding my vendors for potions, in this run I got 48 potential potions and 12 evolution potions so far.
They always give 2-4 positive mutations, if blessed the chance to get more positive mutations is higher.

>>19068980
>>19068981
Sounds like I'd pick female (just so I'd be referred to as she) then look for that item then? Thanks I'll try it out

>>19069024
You don't get referred to as anything but your alias, which is unrelated to gender.

>>19069026
Damn I'm over thinking this. See you nerds later once I've played for a bit. Or in a view days if it hooks me

>>19068935
>>19068988
If your pet drinks from it it can get a wish too which counts for you, as long as they float they won't fall in, and the only negative they can get is pregnancy which you can cure with poison which is a lot more common than Potions of Cure Mutation or Evolution.

Was the 'sub' thing error fixed in 1.77? the message that appears below the clock

Why is my shopkeeper fucking a client?

What the fuck?

>>19070672
making extra money to meet her quota

>>19070832
Why are you still on 1.76

>>19070832
Welcome to cat hell.

>>19070672
Is your shopkeeper a prostitute?
I've never seen NPCs having sex with no prostitutes involved.

>>19070857
Not him but last I heard 1.76 introduced a crash and they hadn’t yet solved it.

What's your favorite start and why?

>>19071952
Golem because every time I go without it I remember how much I hate Dim.
Also 150 life.

Starting career is mostly just to give me whatever skills I want to start out with, so it varies.

>>19071952
Mutant although Gavela kind of ruins the fun of it now unless you do abusive shit to get mutant slots and his which is not a fun way to play.
Golem if Mutant wasn't ruined by Gavela's existence. Just mount your starting pet and the speed doesn't matter.

Oh my. I've only just started a new character and yet managed to find my first living weapon ever, and it's only 10k!

How do I read weapon stats? There's usually an umber in paranthesis that means hit bonus accordign to the wiki, but why do so many sniper rifles have negatiove hit bonuses? e.g. 1d50+5 (-10) Shouldn't they be more accurate?

>>19062396
Rabbits, putits, what else should I farm? And all my attribute potentials are now bad, is the only thing I can do at my low ass level sleep?

>>19072399
Just all in on rabbits. They are cute and fun to kill. >>19072333
Grats me boi, treat it well. Use it to kill your pets.

>Your cargo is too heavy to use return
>have no cargo at all and my inventory is half my total weight

???

>>19072654
Does it says that you're overweight?

>>19072663
I dont even have burdened status

>>19072664
How much weight is your cargo?

>>19072710
Default,but i dont got ANY cargo at all in my inventory

>>19072333
That looks like a fun little weapon, hope it serves you or your pets well.

>>19071952
I have some fondness for goblin just because it gives me a few of the necessary gathering point skills early and easily.

For some reason when I change my sprites from pdn files (pain.net) to bmp, they break. What program do people use?

>>19072796
hmmm I fixed it by copying my sprite over one of the normal ones, then saving that as number 3. But now I have the issue that anything black isn't showing up, its invisible.

>>19072853
Because (0,0,0) is used for transparency.

Sorry for asking what's probably a stupid question, but how can I tell whether a piece of armor falls under the light/medium/heavy categories?

>>19072951
They don’t.
It’s determined by the total weight of all worn equipment.

>>19072718
Maybe you're in a dungeon with no teleporting?

>>19068054
>>19068508
>>19068944
The default PCC is 23x39 but he doesn't have hair, so his actual height is a little greater.
PCCs which take the whole 32x48 block really fill their tile in-game compared to other humanoids, but that can also help pick out the PC among groups of enemies with puddles and spells everywhere.

>>19072948
Seems like anything that's visibly black is counting as transparent. This sucks. Black is the best.

>>19073933
I think for some reason items get a wider range of blacks that count as transparent.
I know that for character.bmp even slightly off pure black doesn’t count as transparent.

I got a spell that's supposed to last for 225 turns but it lasts for 375. What's up with that? Happens with all buffs and it's probably happening with debuffs too.

>>19074688
Do you have any items on with "it enhances your spells?"

>>19074701
Yea that was it. I had thought of that and took everything off and recasted the spell thinking it would reset the buff and it didn't, so I eliminated that possibility. I just tried it again and it worked. I just had to wait for the buff to disappear for the effect of taking off the equipment to take place.

>>19045781
I find this post to be extremely funny for some odd reason

>>19074685
Its a PCC I'm trying to make. Any shade that's 'black' rather than 'grey' is entirely see-through. Any other color works fine. So imma just do grey.

How is this supposed to be godly?

>>19077051
Look very carefully.

>>19077051
It's alive

>>19077051
An empty godly item is the single most valuable piece of equipment you could ever get your hands on, due to the artifact fusion potential.
Sadly, that is just a living weapon.

is there a way to zoom in.

>>19077458
Get closer to the screen.

After fiddling a bit with living weapons i realized that 5x lv15 casting skill sticks is OP. its roughly equal to 460 spell levels for spellpower calculations, and with warmage you can ignore DW penalty. Even simply pre-buffing for void diving makes it worth the effort.

>>19077906
You can also get 99% wish cast chance much earlier. Excessive blood drain is not that dangerous if its only for a few turns.

>>19077707
no bully :(

how do i unlock riding when i didnt start with riding so i cant ride something to raise riding?

>>19078611
trainer in yowyn can teach

>>19078745
i just started over with it because i wasnt fast enough to do quests to get points to get it to become fast enough
mabe should have started with pick pocket but it gave me a good alias so i dont want to start over now

So what do people usually do early game on mages? I'm so weak it takes almost the entire farming quest to pick up a single item worth less than half the goal. Just go to puppy cave, grab spells, do hunting quests? Say fuck it, put all points in magic item, use a wand of spell to do the same thing without the need to use books?

>>19079302
Super early game I let the pet do most of the work whilst gathering as many materials and wands as I can. Once I'm stocked up I make a ton of healing potions and go into tougher dungeons to gather books and equipment whilst I zap my way through everything, eventually switching over to spells so I can level them whilst gathering more stocks.

>>19079302
Oh and guns (or grenades) are pretty good early to mid game when you don't have rods or spells available. Plus you'll want to raise firearm as a mage anyway.

>>19079489
I meant quest wise. The main money gainers on any other character have been A: Farming, B: Performing. Both of which don't work with mage stats. So I need to do something else until then. Seems just spamming sleep touch is good enough to hunting quests solo the instant you spawn though. So I can just do that, then dump my bonus points into wand=mp, then have infinite casts of spells strong enough to deal with trash. Not sure if wand spells are as strong but it seems like the best solution until I'm in the mage guild and can use its shopkeeper to consistently get the spells I actually want. Biggest issue is going to be joining the mage guild since I vaguely remember it relying largely on getting lucky drops.
Unless they nerfed pets since when I last played (1.67 I think, maybe 5) not gonna use them. Any time I've tried to they've just scaled so fast and cheaply compared to me they basically sucked all the fun out of the game.

Had an urge to make this after seeing the alias.
Dragon breath learned.
Next task: ride a dragon.

>>19079744
Epic

>>19079687
Just start as a farmer and do farming stuff and transition to a wizard after you're not as weak and poor.

The early game is the most boring period you can imagine, so there's no shame in using pets to speed it up.
I think once you have both enough money to invest in magic vendors as well as buy potions of Potential, or have Kumiromi statues you can drop the pet.
At least that's what I did, but that was back when bells were top tier for act 1.

>>19079956
Prolly a good idea. I only went mage because I vaguely remember some skill being important in mage guild and the guild being really annoying to join. But I need to join it for the shop anyways

Quest givers stopped recognizing gold bars in my inventory and I received a bio battery for a quest, but it did not exist in my inventory. Has anyone else gotten this problem?

every time chaos seed explodes it gives me this msg then crashes

HspError 7 WinError 0 Ver 2950 Mode 0
efId 655 efP 510 Area 2/1
ci 0#728 ti 0#728 cc 44#160 tc 44#160 rc 57#894
3. Map:Init world ct:0
2. Map:Continue ct:0
1. god text ct:0
0. turn_end:pc ct:0


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