/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>19049468
No, because the NAP is frequently violated.

>>19049468
This map makes no sense.

>>19049468
Considering the human village is a glorified livestock, not really

>>19049644
>glorified livestock
They have a mutually-beneficial relationship with the youkai and gods living in Gensokyo. They don't get (physically) preyed upon and are even supported by the youkai and various gods and in return they give them the belief necessary for them to survive. The Human Village would've been destroyed by plague, famine, or bad weather ages ago had it not been for supernatural interference.

>>19049580
Here's mine!

>>19049661
or

>>19049654
If Gensokyo never existed these humans would have happily lived in the real world.

>>19049708
>happily lived in the real world
HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>19049708
In current Japan? Suuuuure.

>>19049711
>>19049713
Youkai get the fuck out of my board

>>19049661
>shrine for scam artists
don't you mean "shrine for semen-starved nymphets"

>>19049714
That's some low quality post crossboarder-kun. Depart.

>>19049708
Humanity helped create the Great Hakurei Border that separates Gensokyo from the rest of the world, anon.

>>19049718
That's the other one.

>>19049468
That reminds me, wasn't there some sort of Gensokyo's Map Project or something in this season's issue of SCoOW?

>>19049661
It reminds me of my own map

>>19049661
the bamboo forest is specifically said to be on the opposite side of the village compared to Youkai Mountain

>>19049661
>road of liminality
The what now?

>ancap
no crossboard memes ``please''

>>19051285
It's the road to the Sanzu river lined with ghost stalls manned by sinners working for the Ministry. It's behind Youkai Mountain

>>19051285
The road spirits travel to the Sanzu River located at the back of the Youkai Mountain. It's famous for having lots and lots of stalls and stores along it due to spirits having money to spend (before they get to the Sanzu and have to pay the river-crossing toll and all that). There's lots of food and snacks you can buy, but it's all overpriced and all the stands are run by the spirits of dead criminals from Old Hell. You can even catch undead goldfish!

>>19049468

>>19051084
I'll be honest: I don't actually know what that's supposed to mean. Not having visual reference and just hearing that makes no sense to me, as in I don't see how it is intended to work

>>19051349
I wouldn't kill or hurt you but, if I could, I would honestly print off your porn history plus stills of footage of you beating off to it and fedex copies to your parents, peers, extended family and employer (if you have one) for posting such a god-awful normalfag piece of shit cancer image macro.

>>19051084
>specifically said
[citation needed]

>>19051375
It means that if Youkai Mountain is north of the center of the village, then the Bamboo Forest is south of the center of the village
Please finish your English lessons

>>19049468
That's a pretty map but it makes my head hurt, what was the artist thinking?
Certain stuff I can understand even a primary messing up, but how is Muenzuka on the other side of the region from the Sanzu River? How is the Moriya Shrine not on the top of Youkai Mountain? How is Hakugyokurou in Higan, instead of behind its gigantic barrier? Gensokyo's geography has been portrayed almost strictly in the most vague of terms, but this handful of points is pretty much the entire collective of actual geographical matchups which we know FOR SURE about. And where are the lillies on the Nameless Hill?
But worst of all is titling the sunflower field as "Yuka's Field" instead of Garden of the Sun. Absolute sin.

>>19051375
Youkai Mountain and the Bamboo Forest are strictly on opposite sides of the Human Village. Although we don't know either landmark's specific location, any speculative maps must have them opposite from each other with the village in between them.

Here's something I found on futaba a while ago.

>>19049654
The only reason the human village needs the help of Youkai and Gods to survive is because those same people keep them trapped in Gensokyo.

It's like saying a slave need a master to survive. It's nonsense. There is nothing they have in Gensokyo that they couldn't get in the outside world without having to give up their freedom.

>>19049711
Yes. I don't know if you realize this. But even with everything bad happening in the world. Most people are a lot happier and well off than they were in pre industrial times. Especially in first world countries.

>>19049713
Japan is a complex case. And you could make a argument they would be unhappy living in the cities, like most japanese people are. But they could just go live in the countryside.

>>19049724
Humanity helped create the Hakurei Border, yes. But the human villagers had nothing to do with it. After having dedicated their lives defending japan from the Youkai menace, their ultimate reward was to be sealed alongside their greatest enemy for the rest of eternity.

>>19055818
>>19055829
Fuck off.

>>19055837
Either actually argue my points. Or fuck off yourself.

>>19055835
The humans were literally the ones who created the barrier. The youkai later reinforced it. The youkai of Gensokyo didn't even want it to begin with and the humans of the Human Village live in loose cooperation with the youkai and gods of Gensokyo. Tengu sell newspapers in the Human Village, half-ghosts buy groceries from grocers, Keine educates both human and youkai youth, humans often go to Eientei for medicine, the various shrines (most run either by gods or youkai) hold festivities for both humans and youkai, little youkai girls live in many Human Village households and bring good luck to their 'adoptive' families, who in return take proper care of them.

Gensokyo is not a bad place to live if you LIVE there. Outsiders get the shit-end of the stick.

>>19049722
What's crossie about that post? I don't even know what you're talkin about.

>>19055885
>https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Perfect_Cherry_Blossom/Story/Prologue
>Gensokyo was deemed useless to the human world as well, so priests sealed it away with the Great Barrier, which could never be opened again. Of course, both the youkai and the descendants of the brave humans who kept them in check were sealed away in the process as well...

Humanity did help create Gensokyo. But the villagers were just brave people that happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

And yes, by the standards of 1890. Gensokyo is a pretty decent place to live. The Human Villagers are essentially cattle, but they're treated well enough. And a cage is only a cage if you know it's a cage. So, i doubt most villagers are unhappy. Like most stable but oppressive societies, only intellectuals would be miserable. However, i do still absolutely think they would be happier in the outside world. And if they got the chance to all leave, they would take it in a heartbeat.

>>19055859
You keep going on about the same fucking thing for months like a broken record, why would anyone want to actually talk to you? Fuck off.

>>19055925
Then just ignore me. Telling me to fuck off isn't going to accomplish anything.

>>19055932
Fuck off.

>>19055937
NO U!

>>19055918
>oppressive
Literally who is oppressing them? The youkai? They're bickering amongst themselves along with the immigrating gods for faith from the people of the Human Village. The youkai consume human flesh from people Yukari brings into Gensokyo as they can't lay a single finger on the people of the Human Village. Yes, they are essentially cattle, but they're equivalent to India's cattle in that they're so highly held and hold such an important place in Gensokyo that if you were to take the people away, there is no Gensokyo left. The humans of Gensokyo are Gensokyo, not the youkai.

All that said, the Human Village is not located in a particularly reasonable area and as such kind of depends on supernatural means (i.e. aid from youkai and miracles from the gods) to keep it alive. IIRC, Gensokyo has been saved on numerous occasions from very bad weather. Just think of it anyway; it's a secluded village full of people who'd rather just leave any explanation to "gods did it whatever let's talk more about rice sure is a good day for rice harvesting bet you didn't even know that though".

The outside world is a logical world where the fantastic and supernatural are dying. Sure they have psychic powers and recently unified all fields of science, but because of this there is no place for belief anymore. It has been described as a place where many, many foodstuffs are artificial (bamboo, strawberries, etc.) and as a result of development, there aren't many natural environments left (but as a consequence of this, cities look more like jungles). Gensokyo therefore is less a prison and more a supernatural youkai/divine conservation area, with the people of the Human Village being park staff and Reimu as the sole park ranger.

>>19052293
I don't think that has anything to do with lessons. If you're able to clarify it and I found it originally confusing, I think that's more a problem with the original statement. After all, opposite side can also be interpreted this way

>>19055784
Only problem I have with this is the village being right up against the mountain with no barrier of any kind. Seems too dangerous. I always saw it as there being the lake between the two, not that the lake is safe either.

>>19055968
The Human Village has to have some of its own means of production and/or extraction. There is simply no way the native gods provide all the food or breed all the cattle meant to become food, and there have been several unnamed merchant, salesman and other sustenance-related profession characters throughout the manga. Including, even, a salt merchant of all things.

The Human Village is, to some level, self-sustaining. But you're right in that the region is prone to natural disasters, and those are mitigated by gods and youkai.

>>19055784
>鉄塔
What? I've never heard of it.

>>19056087
It's in one of the chapters in the fairies' manga.
Some abandoned radio(?) tower that made its way into Gensokyo.

>>19055968
I don't even disagree with everything you're saying. But you're completely wrong about this:
>Just think of it anyway; it's a secluded village full of people who'd rather just leave any explanation to "gods did it whatever let's talk more about rice sure is a good day for rice harvesting bet you didn't even know that though".

That's not what they are. What they are is the descendants of brave Youkai exterminators. Who after dedicating their life protecting humanity from Youkai, were rewarded by the rest of human civilisation by being sealed away for all eternity alongside their mortal enemy. They never had a choice in the matter.

And that's what i mean when i say "oppression". The Human Villagers don't have a choice to live in Gensokyo. They don't have a choice to worship gods and be afraid of Youkai. They don't have a choice to be constantly spied upon by Yukari planning god knows what. They aren't even allowed to have a leader to make choices for them. It might not be 1984 or North Korea, but i would call that oppression. And a villager smart enough to see beyond the hollow pleasantries Gensokyo has for humans would quickly realize that.

And yes, i'm sure there are people that would be happier in Gensokyo than in the Outside World. Like hippies or religious extremists. And i imagine the vast majority of villagers are reasonably satisfied with their life. But the same kind of simple unthinking person that would be satisfied with a life in Gensokyo would be far happier living a hedonistic life in the outside world.

It's only an "ancap paradise" if you are Yukari. Fuck that hag.

>>19056385
Yukari. Okina. To some extent Reimu and Kasen.

>>19056385
I'll get right on it.

>>19056447
You don't fuck Yukari. Yukari fucks you.

>>19056335
What on the outside world would make them happier?

>>19056480
Also acceptable.

>>19056498
More flashy and exciting entertainment. Higher standards of living. Simple physically undemanding work. Freedom when it comes to sexuality. A hedonistic and material lifestyle. Democracy. More gender equality. Not having to fear Youkai or worship gods.

>>19056566
Sounds shitty. Give me gensokyo any day.

>>19056566
Most of the list sounds vomit-inducing.

>>19056480

Yukari sexually humiliating me by requiring public blowjobs is my ultimate fetish. She'd also do more lewd things like kissing and holding hands but only when nobody is looking.

>>19058821
>like kissing and holding hands but only when nobody is looking.
Over the line faggot.

>>19049708
>happily lived in the real world

Can't we all agree that Gensokyo was a temporary solution to the secularization problem with the youkais being completely disogarnized at the moment ? Their long term plan is obviously to plunge the world into darkness once again. I imagine the plan is to break outside the barrier in one big outburst and lay death and devastation very quickly and with internet and the like it would be impossible to stop the knowledge and belief in supernatural beings from spreading. Especially given how many people believe the earth is flat despite all the proof to the contrary I imagine that a flock of man eating monstrosities live on all channels would gain quite a bit of belief.

>>19058870

She'd be super lovey dovey with Ran in front of me just to make me angsty about being abandonned all the time.

>>19059413
Oh how I wish that day would come.

>>19056015
>opposite side can also be interpreted this way
No, because now it's not on the opposite side of the village compared to Youkai Mountain.

Scarlet Devil Mansion clashes horribly with the otherwise pretty ubiquitous Japanese style. Seeing it like this really makes it look out of place.

>>19059577
How is it not on the opposite side when it's on the opposite side?

>>19056566
>More flashy and exciting entertainment.
>Freedom when it comes to sexuality.
Um? They probably still live in the okay-to-fuck-young-boys era and can fuck literal animals pretending to be humans without being called a pervert.

>Higher standards of living.
Like what? Useless crap to buy?

>Simple physically undemanding work.
You mean busywork that makes people kill themselves in modern Japan? Besides they probably don't have to do much since the youkai would probably grow food for them if they stopped trying to take care of themselves at all.

>A hedonistic and material lifestyle.
>Democracy.
>More gender equality.
Wouldn't make them happier

>Not having to fear Youkai or worship gods.
They don't have to worship gods and they'd have to fear other humans as they feared youkai.

>>19058675
If you feel that way. Like i said, i'm sure some people might be happier in Gensokyo. But fringe outliners like you are not the majority. Not in the outside world, and not in Gensokyo.

>>19058731
It's what most humans want. That much is obvious from the society we have.

>>19059413
I always imagined that is indeed Yukari's long term plan. Or extending the barrier along the entire Japanese archipelago. Either way, nothing will ever come of it. Because ZUN.

>>19060165

>YWN fight the nihon demons with your ISIS friends for the glory of the japanese caliphate and Allah claiming many cute touhous as your concubines

Why live. Seriously. Why.

>>19060204
Who the hell are you quoting?

>>19060030
>Um? They probably still live in the okay-to-fuck-young-boys era.
Modern society is a lot more liberal when it comes to matters relating to sexuality. You might not be able to legally marry a child. But you can do a lot of things you wouldn't be able to do in the Human Village without becoming a social outcast. Especially as a woman.

>Like what?
Better jobs. Higher quality housing. Less hours of work necessary to buy goods. Political freedom. A infrastructure more complex than dirt roads. Longer life expectancy. More material goods and comfort. Bigger income. A actual education system. Public transport. And more varied tasty food.

>You mean busywork that makes people kill themselves in modern Japan?
No. I mean simple countryside work that's largely been automated by recent technological developments. They don't have to work as a salaryman. That's a choice.

> Besides they probably don't have to do much since the youkai would probably grow food for them if they stopped trying to take care of themselves at all.
Headcanon.

>Wouldn't make them happier
It would, actually. More and better stuff to consume. Freedom. And not being treated as inferior just because you were born a woman. Those are all things that make humans happier. I don't know why that's even up for debate.

>and they'd have to fear other humans as they feared youkai.
That's also a choice. Speaking for myself, i don't fear anybody.

>>19060204
I would rather exterminate the Youkai menace. And then fuck a whole lot of grateful village girls.

kuso fucking thread

>>19060286

Should I tell him about the depression and happiness level of the developed world compared to fucking Africa or should I let him persuade himself that his life is actually the best he could have ?

>>19060437
You should tell him to fuck off.

>>19060437
I don't know. That depends on what exactly you want to tell me about depression and happiness levels in the developed world.

>>19060437
>>19062292

>>19060286
>And not being treated as inferior just because you were born a woman
This literally never happens in Gensokyo as more than half the visible population is female, especially when we take into account the sizable fairy population, which is an entirely female species. As far as the treatment of women in Gensokyo goes, it's as equal as the rest of Japan, if not unbalanced toward females due to the number of females in authoritative positions in Gensokyo (Shiki Eiki, Hecate, Yukari, Okina, Reimu technically, Satori, etc.) Besides, there's always festivals or some other event being organized locally in Gemsokyo that there aren't actually many quiet, uneventful days to be found.

The people of the Human Village aren't unhappy, being my main point. They all enjoy peaceful, fulfilling lives despite being trapped in Gensokyo and even if you were to bring in the conveniences of the modern age to them, they're all obstinately ignorant and will usually stick to what they know, which is part of the reason Kourindou never gets customers (other reason being he doesn't actually sell shit to people). Sanae is a great example of what it'd be like for an outsider to live in Gensokyo.

>>19063530
>This literally never happens in Gensokyo as more than half the visible population is female
I never said it did. What i was trying to say is that more gender equality DOES make you happier. Not that normal human woman in Gensokyo are mistreated. Which probably isn't the case.

>The people of the Human Village aren't unhappy, being my main point.
Well, my point, is that simple unthinking people satisfied with living in Gensokyo would be happier living a simple unthinking consumerist life in the outside world. Again, they aren't Luddites making a deliberate choice to life without technology. They were forced into that lifestyle by forces outside of their control. And if given the chance, they would abandon the life they have now in favor of living in the outside world.

>and even if you were to bring in the conveniences of the modern age to them, they're all obstinately ignorant and will usually stick to what they know, which is part of the reason Kourindou never gets customers
Nonsense. The human villagers have been repeatedly portrayed as being interested in the outside world. The information outsiders give them is highly valued. And one science magazine ending up in the human village was enough to wipe out a entire race of Youkai. The reason why people never go to Kourindou is because Rinnosuke is a shit shopkeeper.

>Sanae is a great example of what it'd be like for an outsider to live in Gensokyo.
Sanae is a freaking demigod. Unless you are also one, or just happen to have a game breaking super power. She's not a good example of anything.

has anyone made a gensokyo in vr yet?

>>19063967
I don't think so. But you could play Minecraft in vr and download a Touhou mod.