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I love Satsuki!

>>19015536
I love Roastbeef!

Roa is okay too.

>>19015555
Quads! As expected of Roa.

Milkshake recipe with Ciel waste

I hate Tohsaka

>>19015664
I also hate Tohsaka.

>>19015664
>>19015684
Stop samefagging, Sakura.

>>19015712
Leave Sakura alone, you pleb.

>>19015719
She started it.

Fate/Strange Fake is better than Zero

>>19016425
>Strange Fake wishes it could compare to Zero
FTFY

>>19016432
Narita's works have always been more about the character interactions rather than the fighting. The powerlevel and shit has always been more of the background/ to set the scenery. Even in Baccano where the main plot is about nigh unkillable immortals, the focus was not on how these near mary sue powerlevel go around curbstorming shit but more on them going on zany adventures or their relationships with other characters.

>>19016432
Post more Cute Rider!

>>19016457
Do you think Herk was reminded of Hippolyta when he first fought Saber?

And damn, how can she take his dick when she’s so small compared to him?

>>19016451
When most of his character interactions is just typical anime shit, it doesn't mean much.

Is Fate/Strange Fake better than Fate/Stay Night?

>>19016491
yeah

Can we all agree that Dies Irae is honorary Nasushit? It even has a Saberface.

>>19016500
Narita best Fate writer.

>>19016508
DI and MLA are eternal trash.

>>19016432
Richard: Uses a bootleg fake version of Excalibur. Was summoned using a box that once contained Avalon which resembles the real Avalon.
Zealot: A girl who tried to become the 18th Old Man of the Mountain, but was unable to. She uses copies of the previous seventeen Hassans' Zabaniyas based off of records she'd read, but has no unique Zabaniya of her own.
Pale Rider: An embodiment of the Black Plague, derived from its sheer infamy.
Jack the Ripper: A formless wraith who is one of many incarnations of "Jack the Ripper". As Jack's identity was never verified, the person in question never entered the Throne of Heroes. All Servants summoned under the name of "Jack the Ripper" are mere wraiths who embody some aspect of Jack's legend.
Dumas: An author famous for writing re-imaginings of pre-established stories. His primary ability is the power to create fake Noble Phantasms that have the potential to surpass the original myth.

>Zero is better
Okay

>>19016508
Dies is much better than anything Nasu has written so to compare it would be unfair.

>>19016797

>>19016508
Who cares? Wolfgang best boy.

>>19015536
I unironically believe Sacchin's remake design is better than her original design.

I just finished the HF movie, it was alright. Very nice background arts, ufo really makes splendid sceneries. The OST sounded alright too, and the Shadow was creepy enough.
My only gripe would be that it feels speed up, but I guess that's inevitable.

>>19016950
On other hand I actually like Akiha's old design more, shame they decided to change the skirt color.

>>19017039
Akiha’s old design was too rough. Why do I care? Tsukihime R is never happening in my lifetime

>>19016950
True, that might be the only one though.

>>19016979
the pacing is the way it is to actually fit all the important shit in the three movies, there's really no screentime for the first repetitive days of HF

>Takeuchi: For Nasu, it was a matter of pride. But the reason we created Tsukihime in the first place was to encourage people to read the Garden of sinners.

Thoughts?

>>19017198
i think that's an awfully retarded strategy.

>>19016979
>>19017075
To be fair I only felt the pacing fast towards the end from the part with Caster's corpse. Ten more minutes would be enough for it to feel alright, but I suppose Aniplex production side forces the 120 minutes. It's mentioned in one of the booklets that originally Sudou had a 150 minutes version storyboarded too.

>>19016508
No, not really. It's totally different in mood, the characters, and the way it handles fights/power levels. It's good but not that similar.

*stares in maid*

>>19017478
QT!

>>19017403
>It's mentioned in one of the booklets that originally Sudou had a 150 minutes version storyboarded too.

Tell us more

>>19017403
Eh, I felt it more when Kotomine tells Shirou about Kerry, then Saber follows suit.

>>19017569
They covered what it's important there. The anti-hero infodump would be pointless in a movie. Like, it's a movie adaptation, all of them cut infodumps because they are mostly irrelevant in a visual medium.

>>19017554
There is nothing more, it was just mentioned in the movie pamphlet interview.

>>19015515
I always felt bad for vampire Michael Jackson.

>>19017918
That's Michael Jackson Roard Voldemort to you.

>>19016596
>it's better because powerlevels

I think you'd be more at home over at /fgog/

>>19018391
Cute.

Can anyone here confirm or deny this?
>Tamamo-No-Mae > Type Mercury (ORT) = Ado Edem > Type Jupiter > ArcheType Earth (Arcueid) > Type Saturn > The Six Sisters (all together) ≥ Type Pluto > Type Moon (Crimson Moon) > Type Venus > Balor of the Evil Eye ≥ Primate Murder > Angra Mainyu > Zelretch (young) > Gilgamesh > Arcueid (30%) > Lancelot (F-15) > Dark Sakura > Dark Saber > Saber > Zero Caster's Sea Demon > 5th Berserker = 4th Rider > 4th Berserker > Dark Berserker ≥ Original Roa > 17th Roa (Elesia) > 5th Lancer ≥ 4th Lancer = Archer ≥ 5th Rider > 4th Caster > 5th Caster = Nrvnqsr > Clairvoyant Fujino = Kurogiri > Kouma > 4th Assassin > 5th Assassin > Aoko > Sakura's Lunches Barthomeloi ≥ Kojirou = Ciel ≥ Kotomine (young) = "Ryougi Shiki" = Soren Araya (within the Ogawa Building) > Night of Wallachia ≥ Touko = Kayneth El-Melloi > Leysritt > Sion Tatari = Melty Blood Satsuki = R. Shiki ≥ Akiha = Asagami Fujino = 18th Roa > Tohno SHIKI = Alba = Heaven's Feel Shirou = Kiri > Nanaya Shiki = Reinforced Kuzuki > Sion = UBW Shirou = Waver = Bazett > Avenger = Rin = Luvia = Kotomine > Zouken > Kiritsugu > Irisviel > Maiya = Tsukihime Satsuki = Lio = Avalon Shirou = Ilya = Kariya > Sakura > Len > Kirie = Caren = Meruka > Azaka > The Dead = Possessed Corpse = Misayo = Dragon Tooth Warrior = Fuji-nee > Gun God > Fake Shiki = Ryuunosuke ≥ Tomoe > Keita San ≥ Shinji > Hisui = Kohaku
Please and thank you.

I wonder who's doing the soundtrack for the Tsukihime Remake.

>>19018647
The same people that did Mahoyo with KATE as the leader I think.

>>19018606
This is all feat and statement based, but Aoko in the future could potentially be universal, her position there seems to be in line with Melty feats, but she wasn't serious nor was she using the Fifth.
Not to mention that she should be stronger than 17th Roa and just behind 30% Arc.

>>19018704
To extend, Zelretch in his prime would have trouble against Servants due to their speed, he only stopped the Moon Drop through compatibility of having an infinite energy Ether Cannon.
These lists are folly in the Nasuverse due to conceptual exceptions in particular cases which either bump a character potentially a long way up or down the list.

>>19018704
I don't mind Aoko's much...Magic is supposed to be OP afterall.
What's important is... is the "Ado Edem, Six Sisters & Ultimate Ones" not being topdog anymore legit?

>>19018647
no one

>>19018723
Beasts and arguably some CCC stuff has surpassed anything said or depicted in Notes.
Notes exists as the begging of some very important concepts, but the powers within can be disregarded unless confirmed legit today.

https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=68721837

>>19018738
So the End Times that others try to desperately avoid, making a perfect power ceiling that shouldn't be surpassed, fragments of overpowered shit running around is godly op 1k years ago(Ado Edem being a better Ea, Six Sisters being most OP Magic, ORT rapestomping now has 7+ like ORT more running around)?
Then an alien(Velber) from out of nowhere is more op than that, opening Pandora's Box of 'literally anything can appear so XV Canis Major & other shit is fair game' which just makes an absolute mess of the powerlevel scale?
....
Glad i noped out after Fate Extra.
Thanks anon.

>>19018765
Others try to avoid is pointless now* cause alot more OP shit than End Times is running around even before it's reached.

>meanwhile there's a thread on /a/ where Sakurafags and Rinfags keep throwing shit at each others
Somehow I feel that even if TM keeps milking FGO while releasing shitty musou and keeping the Tsukihime remake in cryogenic sleep along with Mahouyo, it's the one thing that'll never change.

>>19018792
It's honestly a breath of fresh air at this point.
A decade+old ritual to remind you of simpler times.

>>19018804
Why would you consider that a good thing is beyond me. I'm so tired of this shit.

>>19018804
It's refreshing in a way, sure, but also annoying when there's only that in the thread. And you can't start any other discussion because both camp are overdefensive.

>>19018792
>Sakurafags and Rinfags keep throwing shit at each others
That has been the norm for 7 years at least now.

>>19018804
This, I never ever got into Sakura vs Rin shitflinging because I like both of them, but I much prefer that kind of ages-old endless debate than GO shit.

>>19018983
That's actually retarded.

Strange Fake would be better if Narita dropped the fake servants and just kept the True ones + Saber.

>>19019305
You're dumb, the Fakes are objectively waaaay better.

>>19019332
Rider: Hippo>Death
Archer: Heracles>Gilgamesh
Lancer: Both are boring
Caster: Prelati>lol another non-magic user
Assassin: Actual Hassan>Oooh I get ALL the special powers and still can't kill shit
Berserker: Okay Jack is better than Edison, ya got me there.

CIEL IS CUTE

CUTE!

>>19019545
I want to kiss her thighs!

>>19019547
Indirect kiss with Arc!

>>19019545
A best.

>>19019423
>he doesn't like based Dumas
It's like you hate fun.

>>19019664
No, I want more Casters that are actually Casters. Also his make NP copies that are stronger than they were in the actual legend just reeks of the worse type of wankery.

>>19019696
>reeks of the worse type of wankery
That was the original point of SF. It was an April Fool's joke scenario with the most broken possible Servants in each class. Of course the power creep since 2008 has ruined that aspect.

>>19019711
>April Fool's joke scenario with the most broken possible Servants in each class
Source for this?

>>19019711
I wouldn't count Dumas as broken, since he can only make NPs for other people.

A broken Caster would be someone like Medea, but with Narita's writing.

>>19019711
I think Sakurai trounced Narita in most broken Riders.
Still need to see Pestilence fight though.

>>19019872
Why is Ozy so good?

Do we have actual scans for the Strange Fake volume 3 manga?

>>19019872
Will Sakurai’s writing ever get better?

>>19021135
Not when it concerns Nero.

>>19021135
At this point I doubt it but I won't deny it ever happening.

>>19021135
It did. Read the Fragment drama cd scenarios.

Or just read Fragments.

I wonder what Takeuchi is up to.

>>19021075
Nothing huh? Okay.

>>19021431
Tsukihime R? Nah, it’s probably just some anniversary project.

>>19021431
debating which layer to copy paste for his next piece

Was Sasaki dying when he drew this?

>>19021431
I wonder what Nasu is up to.

>>19021556
I can't wait till the next GO Mats are out and we find out why Sasaki drew him this way.

>>19021556
I would give about as much of a shit if I got an offer to draw for GOshit.

>>19021568
debating which Dark Souls build he's going to play next

>>19021556
>>19021578
EMIYA is actually his least favorite character and this was his way of revenge.

>>19021592
He's gotta be off Dark Souls by now.

Maybe he plays PUBG.

>>19021630
Dark Souls Remaster BOIS

>>19021630
It's MHW now actually.

>>19021641
But everyone has already finished the deviljho update.

Should I read tsukihime before watching CP?
probably a stupid question, but figured i'd ask

Ciel curry covered anus is mine!

>>19022332
CP isn't nearly as entertaining unless you've read all of the major Nasu VNs.

>>19022401
Calm down slimelicker.

Where else do I get the Mirror Moon translations? I swear their site was working a few months ago

>>19023437
What do you need ?

ufotable please...

>
I do appreciate it sticking to 7 Servants. Extending to 14 was the biggest mistake in Strange Fake.
14 FFA was a mistake.
But.
Having it as a nice 7v7 was great though.
At least before fucking Sieg was shoved down our throats.

>I once saw a comment about my bikini Ciel doodle that said "this is deviantart OC tier"
>what a fool
>you haven't seen the range of my powerlevel yet
>So I present to you. My punk Catholic OC, Ciel.

>>19025077
What does Ciel do after Roa is killed

>>19025103
I don't get why she'd continue working for the Church, she literally did it just so she could die.
I guess she must've acquired a taste for vampire blood after all those years.

>>19025077
Lose the stupid hanging jacket and that's fine.

>>19025182
It's not as though she can put her two weeks in and walk away.

The Ruler class servant was a dumb addition to Fate.

Change my mind.

>>19025531
But it makes sense since they had the Avenger class right from FSN

>>19025582
Was there ever a reason given as to why Ruler didn't act in the 5th War?

Aside from the obvious "lol not invented yet".

That didn't change my mind, either.

>>19025604
Because the war itself was not abnormal enough to warrant the grail to summon a ruler

Nor would it, since it was corrupted in the first place already

>>19025615
>since it was corrupted in the first place already
This makes sense, okay.

>>19025692
>This makes sense, okay.
Kinda.
It's not blatant "holy shit" like the war in Romania.
AM-ed Grail still granted wishes, it just translates "x" wish as 'kill everything else? Good choice :D'.

>opponent gets 3 lights every fucking turn and I get no cards to stop it
Fucking Hanafuda.

>>19025077
This Bikini Ciel? She's great.

>>19026007
Fleshy.

A-Alice...

>>19025103
>>19025182
>>19025443
From Tsukihime Plus Period:

'------Ciel, you're leaving the Burial Agency, are you?'
A question is thrown, with murderous intent.
'I've heard that such rumors are spreading.'
Ciel replied in an emotionless voice.
The one called Merem giggled.
'So it is. Your objective was to regain your humanity by killing Roa. Since that has been accomplished, there is no reason to be with us.
Frankly speaking, you were invited by the British Museum, weren't you? Now that your next workplace has been arranged, don't you think this rumor is quite persuasive?'
'......I am no mage. Even if something goes wrong, I won't be joining the Association.'
'Ah, that's fortunate. Since it's really dull there. I figured if someone like you, who already knows the taste of blood, went there he'd die of boredom.
Of course. Dying of boredom, you wouldn't want to die such a Dead Apostle-like death.
Well------although you are more Dead Apostle-like than that Apostle over there in the first place.'
'------'
'Besides. I know that the rumor is just a rumor. I mean, if you were trying to leave, you would have left a year ago.
It's been a year since Roa was exterminated. And you've been continuing the Dead Apostle-hunting. If your objective was in regaining humanity,
isn't it strange that you didn't leave a year ago?'
'------so, what are you trying to say, Merem Solomon?'
'Eh? Well, I'm saying that you don't really care about being human or not. All you're interested in is killing vampires.
Like the others, you're no more than a killing machine. Ah, but I'm different. I'm just a kid who likes toys.'
'------are you? Then don't bother with my affairs. Like what you said, I'm just a machine that kills Dead Apostles.
So even if you're a co-worker, there's no guarantee that I won't assault you, is there?'
The Dead Apostle called Merem laughs, shrouded in darkness.
'Then, Ciel, why are you still hunting Dead Apostles?'

>And then at the end of the story

'Ciel, if there's a chance, that would be now.'
The boy spoke such words.
'---------'
She stops her steps.
The boy's intentions are incomprehensible, but his words speak the truth.
There is no watcher on her, and her only companion cannot move properly.
If she is to dissapear, like a cat without her leash, now is the perfect chance.
'------------'
After taking a deep breath.
'Forget about it. The opportunity has left a year ago.'
She says, and starts to walk with the boy in her arms.
'Hm. That's just acting calmness, isn't it.'
'Yes. However, since this is the first time, it would be an impudence to stop before I can't bear it anymore.
giving up just because I'm fed up with it, is rather childish.'
'Hm, that's like paying the price of your sins? It's funny, since that sounds quite human.'
'Eh. Do you envy me, Merem?'
'......yeah- in a way. About as much as you envy me. However, then how long does it last?
You're not saying that sin lasts until you die, are you?'
'That would be convenient...... But I don't think so.
Since I don't even know what my sin is, in the first place.'
Until it is certain, I will confront the darkness within me, she says.
The boy, gazes far.
'What, then it's a damned bond that lasts a lifetime, isn't it? Don't you know the simple truth?
That nothing can be cleared before it comes to an end?
He says, in a rather exhausted tone.
'Indeed... those words carry a weight when you say it, Merem.'
She giggles like a boy, but she doesn't stop walking.
like that, she returns to her old workplace.
The boy doesnt know. He doesn't know that she had always wanted to escape, that she repeats the same things over and over again in each task.
In the end.
The woman called Ciel goes searching for her sins until her old nest itself is gone.
Afterwards, whether the sin comes in the end or not, will be another story.....

Alice > Aoko.

>>19026539
I'll take both then.

Case Files (Final volume) NEWS WHEEEEEEEEEN????????

Makoto Sanda is literally everyone's last hope for any kind of remotely cool Nasuverse shit in the near future.

>>19027089
Gray has the cutest outfits.

>>19026830
Why did Nasu sold unfinished 1/3 15 hours VN for full price?

>>19027089
Who are the best Nasuverser writers?

>>19027991
Definitely not fucking Nasu.

>>19027991
Unironically Narita.

>>19027991
Nasu > Narita = Sanda > Sakurai >= Higashide

>>19027991
Urobuchi > Nasu > Narita >>> (power gap) >>> Meteo > Makoto Sanda > Sakurai > Higashide = Prisma guy

The first 3 are the only ones who actually stand on their own as great writers (hence why Urobuchi and Narita are just guests writing spin-offs rather than actually working for TM).

>>19028141
>Urobuchi > Nasu

>>19028203
As I said, you can switch those 3 around as you like. I much prefer Nasu's characters and worldbuilding, but I think Urobuchi is way better in being concise and focused on each story's themes.

>>19028219
>I think Urobuchi is way better in being concise and focused on each story's themes.

You lost me

>>19028141
Who's Meteo and what did he write for TM?

>>19028219
>As I said, you can switch those 3 around as you like
Y-you didn't say that though?

>>19028233
Meteo writes Fire Girls and FGO events.

>>19028231
Okay. I don't get what's hard to understand about that, if you've read any Urobuchi VN and any Nasu VN. Seems pretty self-evident.

>>19028238
Yeah, I said those 3 are great writers. So I can understand ranking them in any order depending on personal preference.

>>19028233
HA scenes, April's Witch, Girl's Work, Fire Girl, Zvezda, a chapter for FGO.

>>19027986
Because they spent so much on it in time and money.
VN's don't sell like they used to, especially non eroge.
For me though, it's irrelevant.

>>19028256
>>19028276
Ah. How is Fire Girl and Zvezda?

>>19028293
Zvezda is dumb fun, I haven't read Fire Girl since it isn't really a part of the Nasuverse.

>>19028293
Zvezda was enjoyable. Fire Girl is a mysterious and elusive beast not many know about.

Higashita and Sakuwhy are the two worst things that have happened to the franchise aside from Nasu being a lazy cunt. Discuss.

>>19028467
>Higashita and Sakuwhy
How creative.

>>19028467
There is nothing to be discussed other than the fact that their involvement is a direct result of Nasu being a lazy cunt and wanting other faggots to milk his shitty brand name for easy money.

>>19028467
I don't even know why Sakurai is writing for TM at all. Her works have always been about the purple prose and she doesn't really bring that into her TM work. Well, barely. It's like taking a comedy writer and sticking them in a completely different style and asking them to barely write what they're known for. It was bound for failure.

>>19028490
>Her works have always been about the purple prose
That and her love of specific couple tropes. With her constant involvement in TM works, I feel like it was Nasu who scouted her, but do we even know why she picked up Prototype?

>>19028276
>Girl's Work
If you say it out loud 5 times Nasu appears and wipes your memory.

>>19028490
Probably because it lets her write about characters from the 19th century as much as she wants.

>>19028516
I thought that was with DDD?

Oh yeah, Girl's Work. Wasn't that supposed to be a VN?

Tsukihime spin-off LN by Kouhei Kadono when?

Fate GO saved type moon, fact not opinion.

>>19027986
Because he wanted to release it, and this part was already written a long time ago, but he's a major case of writer's block. It's why he's been churning out fate exclusively lately, he can basically put out anything with grand order and the money flows in. I warn that you simply don't want more Aoko or the Tsukihime remake right now because he'll only ruin it right now

>>19029002
The stuff he writes now isn't bad though.

>>19028908
It didn't need saving.

>>19029020
it's not bad but not great

Punished Saber.

Tsukihime had an amazing narrative which displayed Shiki mental state after he lost everything. It's writing we'll never really see from Nasu again.

What do we know about the remake thus far?

>>19029304
How would one explain the Saberfaces to a new fan?

>>19029567
They added a teacher character, whose name is a single french word like a certain curry butt.

>>19029577
If only her last name was vermilion

>>19029571
All the official ones are inferior because their artists are hacks.
If you have to pick an official one, pick Mordred.
Make sure to know that Vanilla is the original, and all the tiers of Saberfaces.

>>19029571
Their faces print money to the point non-Servants are receiving Saberfaces.

Who the fuck are all these writers? All I know is that the only good non-nasu nasuverse work is Prisma, and even that is only good for the comedy/sol. Extra is also good, but I can't remember if nasu wrote it or not.

>>19021568
The entire Fate revival, which is funded by Aniplex, who wanted to go with a multimedia project angle for it.

Mobile NVL - Fate Stay Night, Fate route free, UBW and HF DLC.

TV Anime - Unlimited Blade Works

Movie - Heaven's Feel

Mobage - Fate/Grand Order

You could honestly say that the entire Fate revival project was a giant advertisement for FGO funded by aniplex to get it off the ground

Happy Arc!

>>19029751
What studio will adapt Arc's route again?

>>19029780
Neverever Studios

>>19029577
good to see Takeuchi still can't draw shoulders for shit

>>19029965
>good to see Takeuchi still can't draw
FTFY.

So nothing surprising, but it seems that HF I sold a lot in its first week.

>>19030757
I don't think BD sales matter as much for a movie, right?
It's more about the ticket sales for the screenings, which was about the same as the shitty SAO movie (less people, but more expensive tickets).

How big is your Nasuverse collection?

Man, its an interesting experience to read Zero, Apocrypha, and Strange Fake side by side.

And thoughts on these guys? Feel like a good waste of Master/Servant pairings. Could have been good for another Fate spin-off (yeah yeah I know), but seeing a bunch of powerful or intelligent magi (minus Kadoc) go up against and then lose to a self-insert in just boring.

Its like Extra all over again.

>>19031776
>Man, its an interesting experience to read Zero, Apocrypha, and Strange Fake side by side.

Which do you like most/least?

>>19031818
Most-to-least: Strange Fake>>>Zero>>>>>>Apocrypha

SF is my first Narita work, but I can really see how he wants to get everything right, and is very deliberate with his stuff. I also like the way he writes Servants, and the fact that most of his Masters aren't incompetent either also works. I like the way he shows some of them planning, like Bazdilot, and Faldeus. Flat and Tine are great too. The American setting is also nice.

Zero is second, mostly because I just can't find myself caring about any of the Masters. A bunch of grown ass adults whining or crying and then fucking themselves over isn't interesting, honestly. I don't really like most of the Servants either, so I kinda find myself lagging behind a bit when reading it.

Apocrypha is...something else, I'll say. It has yet another disappointing Japanese Jeanne D'arc, a trap, and a bunch of randomly added Servants. Feels almost like Stay Night in that regard. Also the plot makes it seem like this Great War between two factions, but its mostly just the typical Good guys vs Evil guys, with Black Faction being the evil guys, and Red faction just being irrelevant.

>>19031766
Fate/Extella digital edition
...

>>19031766
Pretty fucking big. It's all pirated though.

>>19032025
Thieves may not apply.
I'll buy the Tsukihime Remake if I know enough Japanese by the time it comes out I guess.

>>19031766
Tsuki, KT, Stay Night, Extra, the spin off novels, pretty much all of the soundtracks, the Fragments drama cds, Extella, Foxtail, Heaven's Feel bd.

Thinking it was time to buy a figure as well. Been trying to figure out who I want.

>>19032048
2020. Mark my fucking words.

sweat

I love Kiritsugu!

I'm trying to play fate realta nua and I got all this shit, any of you guys know what's going on and how to fix it?

>>19032330
Try opening it in admin mode.

Wasn't Assassin's sword supposed to be an actual sword and not one he was summoned with?

>>19032351
I think "Monoshizao" is summoned with him, but it's just a normal sword he had rather than a Noble Phantasm.

>>19032342
It still doesnt work. I didnt get the torrent from the OP link so maybe mine corrupt or something. I'll try downloading the OP one.

I hope SHIKI is more relevant in the Tsukihime Remake.

I always felt so bad for him.

>>19031766
Fairly sizable minus quite a bit of figures, posters and Tsukihime's first material book. I own all the games besides for the half moon edition of Tsukihime and the first Melty-Blood game on PC, material books and TM Aces.

>>19033027
Oh, I am also missing the F/SN and F/Z manga.

Cleaning Ciel dirty butthole with my tongue

>>19032802
>I hope ... Tsukihime Remake
Same, anon. Same.

>>19016451
Maybe in his original works, but every time he writes other franchise fanfic novel, he obsesses over powerwanking his favorites. He did the same shit in Bleach.

>>19017198
Obviously why Tsukihime remake never will happen, because KnK got popular on its two and overshadowed Tsukihime.

>>19018765
End of times don't apply to Fate anymore. That timeline will be cut down and pruned - simple as that. Notes has always been more linked to Tsukihime anyway.

>>19028231
Read Nasu's description of Gilgamesh concept and then read VN, he failed completely to give him life as he planned. Meanwhile he existed in Fate/Zero.

>>19031776
In a way. I enjoyed Kadoc and Anastasia rapport/love story. But I feel the worst waste of potential is that we wouldn't see Animusphere Sr. fucking the three families up with his broken Caster, and then live as an oil tycoon.

>>19033505
Who are his favorites in Strange Fake?

>>19033607
Gilgamesh and Enkidu.

>>19033578
>we wouldn't see Animusphere Sr. fucking the three families up with his broken Caster, and then live as an oil tycoon.
I'm sure Nasu will get someone to release it as a LN if it doesn't make it into GO somehow.

>>19033655
It will be stuck in GO trash, don't be hopeful for anything good to come out of that mess. Especially since it's clear Marisbilly will be relevant to Lostshit.
Best case scenario you'll get a short drama CD like Dantes'.

>>19032330
install lav filters

Genuine question: Why is Shirou so spineless?

>>19033723
>spineless
Literally or figuratively?

>>19033723
Don't get what you mean. He's ballsy to a dangerous stupid degree.

>>19033757
Ha. Ha.

Figuratively. The guy frequently puts himself into dumb situations just because he's afraid of opening his mouth. Especially with Rin.

>>19033776
I'm talking about sharing his opinions, or just speaking up.

>>19031766
Everything that get released in my country, as of now the Tsukihime, Melty Blood, FSN, FZ and FA mangas, Extra and Extella, BDs of KnK and FZ. In moon I have Mahouyo, the KnK novels and HF's BD.

Sometimes I imagine what Fate would have been like if Nasu were like, another race.

Like, what would a Chinese Fate/Stay Night have been like?

It'd probably have a shitton of more backstabbing, and a lot more bitchiness.

>>19034322
It probably wouldn't be. The story is pretty distinctly Japanese when you consider Shirou's whole character/attitude, and the chuuni aspect.
I cant totally see him writing a Harry Potter like story if he was born in Britain though.

>>19034336
>The story is pretty distinctly Japanese when you consider Shirou's whole character/attitude
If I knew more about Chinese philosophy I'd probably be able to refute you on that point, but alas.

>I cant totally see him writing a Harry Potter like story if he was born in Britain though
Absolutely. It'd definitely have a female MC too.

>>19033655
Probably but he won't until Cosmos in the Lostbelt is finished.

Sucking Ciel cock

Why no good Tsuki art today reeeeeeeeeee

Am I dumb for not understanding Nasu philosophy?

It just feels like most of his themes fly over my head, and I always end up having to read 5 analysis posts to "get" them.

>>19035218
They're pretty simple.
I didn't really get FSN on my first read as a teen and only understood Shirou after some discussion online.
But I think his (good) works are more about the atmosphere and the characters than any major overlaying themes.

What stuff in specific did you find tough to understand?

>>19035228
>What stuff in specific did you find tough to understand?

Tsukihime's themes in vampire route and tohno family routes.

>>19035246
That's because there really isn't much, the only "themes" tying the whole thing are Shiki's character that is made explicit in the epilogue. But Tsukihime is way more focused on the individual heroines, unlike F/SN with its big focus on Shirou.

>>19035228
The immortality, and the stagnation themes. I also honestly didn't get the Shirou/Saber thing about her wish.

When I'm reading the work, it just sort of jumbles together, but when I look at it from the outside perspective, its easier.

Maybe its the monologues/infodumps. They're definitely not his strong point and I end up blanking out on them.

>>19035295
I think the Church basement scene near the end of Fate does a fantastic job of showing Saber's conflict and how Shirou's relates to it. But yeah, if you zone out during long exposition you'd end up missing it.
Not sure what you're referring to as immortality/stagnation, in GO shit it's pretty cookie cutter and simple. He's used it as really cool background for villains like Roa and Zouken though.

I don't think you're dumb, in any case. Sometimes I'm really into a VN, and can perfectly absorb every line of dialogue and its meaning. Other times I'm more impatient, or it hasn't done a good job of grabbing me, so I'm just rushing to the next bit of exciting content. Happens with everyone.

>>19035327
Thanks, anon.

I might just reread the basement scene. I loved it, but can't remember it all that well.

I also don't into GO, so I don't know how it went there.

>>19035387
>>19035327
I'm on to you.

>>19035393
Soujurou is precious.

>>19035393
Will the Tsukihime Remake look this pretty?

I can only hope so.

>>19035449
Why does he have to suffer so much?
I wonder what he's doing by the time of Tsukihime.

>>19035467
He still has death flags after part 1, his permadeath is inevitable.

>>19035485
He needs to impregnate Alice first.

>>19035485
Well yeah, my permadeath is inevitable too.

>>19035503
He will still die young, that is the point.
By Tsuki he should be dead.

>>19035295
>The immortality, and the stagnation themes.
They are more explored in FGO.

I'm not as bitter about modern TM as some in this thread but something that surprises me about Nasu is that he's completely put Melty Blood on block while having stuff like Extella made. I'm surprised purely as a gamer(rather than a TM fan) knowing that he's one too. There's no way that he doesn't know that Melty Blood is a superb game and that Extella is generic musou trash.

>>19035561
How much of a hand did Nasu even have in Melty Blood?

>>19035561
He put new Melty Bloods on hold until Tsukihime R is finished, or something. A really dumb decision in retrospect.

At least Sion is still active in another chuuni fighter to keep the dream alive.

>>19035387
>I also don't into GO, so I don't know how it went there.
Mmm:
>I saw many sorrows.
>I saw many sorrows.
>I saw many sorrows.
>I saw many sorrows.
>Even if Solomon did not feel anything, I... no, we could not bear it.
>I asked the King: "Do you not feel anything? Do you not think of correcting this tragedy?"
>Thus he answered: "Not at all. God judges humanity, I, the king, merely rules them. You should not suffer over their tragedy. Humans will be judged justly as all living beings in this world."
>Why such rationale exists?
>Why is such reason allowed to pass?
>We debated.
>And we decided-
>---let us bid farewell to everything.

The villain was someone who was supposed to rule and guide humanity into process and evolution and maintain the human order, but because of his own inhumanity and immortality, he was unable to understand human life. He could also see everything so all tragedies in history and the accumulation of human suffering overwhelmed him and made him pity humans, changing his purpose to try to prevent all tragedies, becoming the Beast of Benevolence/Pity, the First Sin. His solution was to pull the plug on everything and use that energy to go back in time to the genesis and recreate a planet without concept of death, where he envisioned humans without knowing death as always smiling and not suffering. I kind of like it.

>>19035561
Yeah, I don't get why Nasu wouldn't want good TM games. There's so much potential in the setting. It's hard not to take it as pure greed/laziness when he sticks to only the shittiest mediums that make the most money for years.
It's even crazier when you consider that he said FGO was basically GOTY 2016, purely because of the climax of the story that he considered an "unforgettable experience" (and as a whole it was inconsistent as fuck).

I'm worried that he's bought too much into mobage trash being genuinely good in any way, and that they're a good replacement for VNs or actual games (he describes learning about mobage when he started FGO as a big culture shock that impressed him). GO fans encouraging that line of thinking doesn't help, of course.

>>19035570
Writing the story and characters. Takeuchi designed Sion, who of course also had heavy involvement from Nasu (you can see some of that in Plus Disc).
Additionally, French Bread making a new Melty Blood seems to be outright blocked behind Nasu finishing the Remake, and they've publicly asked him to hurry the fuck up.

>>19035582
God, what a shitty shallow boring villain straight out of Persona 3-5. I still can't get over how people wank this shit.

>>19035570
Well as much as he has in Extella. Actually probably more in Melty because he's not the sole writer in Extella. I'm just saying I would find it hard to believe that he genuinely enjoys Extella's gameplay given that he's not a casual gamer. Whereas Melty is a good enough games that I'm pretty sure a lot if not most of its fans today are not Nasuverse fans. Unlike Extella where the onyl reason 99% of its playerbase plays it is because of the name because it's an otherwise generic musou game.
>>19035580
Well I hope that do get a new Melty when the Remake comes out because I'd love to see what French Bread would do with it today.

>>19035582
Damn that's actually pretty cool.

And First Sin, huh. Are there other Sins?

>>19035598
>od, what a shitty shallow boring villain straight out of Persona 3-5.
In your irrelevant opinion, to me, he ranks only after Kotomine of favorite Type Moon villain, but then again I felt that Tsukihime bad guys were shit besides Kohaku, and all Extra bad guys are embarrassing (BB and Kiara in particular).

>>19035598
>and they've publicly asked him to hurry the fuck up
How embarrassing.

>>19035620
Kiara is such a fucking disgrace, and a good reminder to not let Nasu just do as he pleases.

Ciel ass with smegma and curry

>>19035620
Goetia isn't bad, he's just mid tier as fuck.

>Inhuman villain: Humans would be way better as [state that seems strange or unnatural to humans]
>Heroes: But no! That's wrong because [commonly accepted human ethics and values]
>Heroes beat up the villain
>Villain: No!! I lost, you were right! If only I had been a real human boy, I could've understood this earlier!

It is LITERALLY the same fucking template of Persona 3, 4, and 5. It's an easy and lazy way of tying a huge number of characters under a single, fancy sounding "theme" that isn't really all that deep. Probably the best Nasu can do with gachashit, but that's yet again the limitation of the medium showing itself, you have to get all these shitty Servants in under the umbrella of "muh humanity".

It can't even be compared to the more intimate relation that Kirei, SHIKI, and Lio Shirazumi have with Shirou and the Shikis. Goetia has two interesting connections to Mashu and Roman, yet the player can do fucking nothing but parrot what Roman says. And Roman is sidelined as a totally secondary character for 98% of that shitty story. Once again, if it wasn't a gachashit, we might've had a remotely interesting protagonist.

>>19035618
Nasu is finally exploring the concept of Beasts/Evils (or Sins) of Humanity which he had in mind before he began writing (this was present in his Prototype Draft, previous to everything he ever wrote). Known Advent of the End Beasts:

Goetia. Sin of Pity. Beast I. Antagonist of arc I of FGO: "Observer on Timeless Temple" (Nasu's engrish). The Nega Summon.
Tiamat. Sin of Regression. Beast II. Boss of Babylonia Chapter in Arc I of FGO. The Nega Genesis.
Kiara. Sin of Pleasure. Beast III/R side (there's a L side in Beast III). She's from Fate/Extra CCC but she became a Beast in the collab Event. The Nega Savior (as in Buddha-type).
Cath Palug, also known as Primate Murder. Beast IV. Sin of Competition/Comparison. He's a major spoiler.
Beast of Revelations 666. Sin of Greed/Gluttony. Antagonist of Fate/Prototype*. The Nega Messiah.
Beast VII. Presumed Antagonist of Arc II of FGO: "Cosmos in the Lostbelt." The candidate is this "God of another planet"/"Satan Who Ars As Lucifero." It seems to be linked to grudges/ambition for what we know so far.

*The Whore of Babylon/Mother Harlot (the fallen Rome) and Manaka, Proto Arthur's first Master (The Potnia Theron) are associated with Beast VI. Either as halves of it or something, we don't know.
Merlin is also said to be a Beast-like Creature in some youth underdeveloped stage. In some rl life lore, Merlin was born to be the Anti Christ, Nasu took this half demon/incubi background.

>>19035661
Why did it have to be in a fucking mobage?
It makes it a complete pain to read through and collect all the info.

>>19035655
All villains are common troupes used, but I felt more sympathetic for Goetia than I did with Persona villains.

>Goetia has two interesting connections to Mashu and Roman, yet the player can do fucking nothing but parrot what Roman says.

I know but to Nasu: "This is Roman's story." I never said FGO was good, I said the idea and concept were good, they were sidelined for self-insert harem hijicks. But the finale of FGO was written (the scenes with Mashu, Goetia and Roman) before FGO became a cashcow, they were the first thing Nasu wrote of the game, as he worked with UBW anime script and Tsukihime R (whatever he could write of it), and it shows the rambling old Nasuverse philosophy babble before he lost his touch. Fou too.

>>19035671
Because it makes a lot of money from secondaries and it lets other people write 80% of the story while Nasu goofs off and doesn't write the Remake.

>>19035671
Beast I, II and IV are major figures in the main story, so they are accessible. We're standing by for the VII one. I think he's Olga's dad or related to him. He's just too shady and predominant and he's getting so much final boss flags.

>>19035674
>but to Nasu: "This is Roman's story."
That's 100% what it should be, but in practice it's a clusterfuck of trying to appeal to everyone.

I couldn't agree more with everything else you said. I'm just tired of people constantly talking about Goetia and the final part 1 chapters as if they give FGO some sort of "hidden value" that makes it special. The way I see it, it's a disgusting waste of potential and Nasu's good ideas that might've seen the light of day in a much better medium, with much better execution.
"The story gets better later :^)" has been used way too often as an excuse for a shit game. Especially since I don't even consider the "good story" that good, but that's down to personal preference.

>>19035618
There are 7, some Beasts have L and R sides, the anon covered them.

Goetia is voiced by Sugita.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIz-gueVKdQ

That's him: he calls himself Solomon again. In a sense, he's Solomon's alter ego/sentient magic born of his body, but he has his own name - Goetia.

>>19035691
No, I agree. I mean I enjoy FGO for all it is, but I also wish it could have been adapted to another medium where you eliminate the self-insert or somehow make them a character. In the first arc, the hard philosophy choices were carried by Roman and Mashu, so it wasn't as noticeable how awful the self-insert was. Cosmos in the Lostbelt is falling apart to me because there are these hard choices the blank self-insert has to make (which are really interesting) but it falls apart when it has no introspection or generic dialogue.

>>19035661
>>19035709
I actually like the Beasts concept. I even had the thought of, "Wow, maybe I should get into GO." before I remembered what type of game it is.

Also wait wait wait, Primate Murder shows up in GO? The same Primate Murder that belongs to Arc's sis?? Damn.

>>19035620
What's so bad about BB?

>>19035747
BB is a fun character, but I can't take her seriously in the villain role, if it makes sense. I like her but not when Nasu pushes her as an antagonist. It feels like if Nasu was trying to make Neko Arc, who I also like, the final boss of a serious Tsukihime arc if it makes sense.

>>19035745
Before you look into it and get disappointed, it's a potential Primate Murder from another timeline.

>>19035745
"Primate Murder" is a title Cath Palug gets in some worlds. Yes, he appears and he's pretty major ally. He's in this picture, actually.

>>19035776
I'm not sure how could anyone be disappointed. He went from being some meme footnote to be a character with an actual story arc and decisive interference in the plot.Tiamat and Goetia are also cute when they aren't in Beast Modes, so his appearance doesn't bother me.

>>19035745
It's a form of Primate Murder that has been kept under captivity since "infanthood" by Merlin specifically so that it wouldn't turn into the dangerous thing that it was supposed to be. It says that it's Beast IV/Cath Palug and that in another/other world(s) it is called Primate Murder.

Then it does a thing that it describes as something not even True Magic can accomplish(revive someone) and basically sacrifices itself to save Mashu.

>>19035787
>I'm not sure how could anyone be disappointed
You expect a giant man-eating wolf and get a cute fluffy squirrel.

>>19035788
"I release you, Cath Palug. Now go, may your freedom help you play into something beautiful."

Fou/Mashu > self insert Mashu. He should have gotten a human form like Merlin has.

>>19035776
>>19035777
>>19035788
Oh.

This whole time, I thought that fluffy thing was Merlin in disguise, cause it looked so similar to him. I guess I know why now.

Either way, it really is cute, and I want fanart of Arc with it. Does that exist?

>>19035801
He's a cat! He's being misunderstood all this time. His name is "Monstrous Cat." Obviously, Gaia knew men are easily beaten by cats. Look at the internet. She was ahead her times.

>>19035801
TYPE-Mercury actually showing up in a story fucking WHEN.

>>19035809
I'm speculating that him looking like Merlin is not a coincidence. The first blurb we saw of PM described him as having taken the habit of drinking blood as a way to imitate his master. So I wouldn't be surprised if his current appearance is due to spending so much time around Merlin.

And no, I've seen no such fanart.

>>19035807
>I toss you out the window, Cath Palug
ftfy

>>19035827
>And no, I've seen no such fanart
An absolute travesty.

>>19035809
Merlin says he and Fou have a similar nature (both are immature/unmanifested Beasts), although Merlin chooses a humanoid appearance (that's entirely his choice).

Cath Palug was Merlin's familiar/companion before he tossed him out his NEET tower a thousand and half years ago and told him to go find something beautiful (this was in context Merlin found someone and something that touched his inhuman heart and made him feel selfless aka Artoria).

I'm not sure if there's art with Arc and him. I never searched, I might look for you.

>>19035832
Here anon, josei mangaka was based enough to show us the scene.

>>19035827
Merlin's also a shapeshifter according to his mats. He has a non human appearance.

>>19035816
Wow I sure am excited for this tough boss in a shitty mobile game accompanied by some pseudo-VN storytelling.

Just let ORT-tan rest in peace, anon. Only way it's getting proper treatment is if Narita has Jester change his mind and awaken it to destroy Snowfield and the world in Strange Fake.
Even so it wouldn't be as cool as a real VN/short story by Nasu.

>>19035816
ORT is the alien god mark my words.
The planets did all disappear right before shit hit the fan at the beginning of part 2, the Types must be involved somehow.

>>19035866
What a shitshow if Nasu decides to actually add Types to the list of ideas wasted on GO.
I'm hoping it's just Type-inspired alien shitters like Velber in Extella.

>>19035260
>focused on the individual heroines

What are the themes of the Tsukihime heroines?

>>19035866
>The planets did all disappear
The who did the what now?

>>19035887
Why does a character need a "theme", dummy? Ask Nasu.
They develop and you learn more about them, which is honestly what matters.

>>19035865
I didn't mean in GO. I just meant a novella or something.

It could even be short, like TYPE-Venus's story!

>>19035866
I think it's more likely ORT or a TYPE would be a chapter boss like Tiamat was. But the end boss/the alien god/Satan/Beast VII is going to be human. Because Nasu needs to do his debate-philosophy finale, and the story is about how this tragedy was brought by the "evil of the system itself." It's in the PV. My take is that he's really Marisbilly Animusphere or something linked to him. If you actually read his introduction, he:
- Contacted the Crypters, whom he had chosen beforehand.
- Talks very human-like and has a human understanding and intelligence (nothing incomprehensible as the aliens-aliens we know).
- The "alien invasion" didn't come from outer space according to the Prologue.
- The Crypters are basing what they know from Marisbilly's theories.
- He's the Lord of the Cosmos/Astrology/Astronomy tower.
- He's been said to love all humanity by Solomon (uhm, you know, like Beasts are usually described).
- The PV starts with their family chant (in a very sinister way) and OVA special has the Animusphere family goals as centerpiece.
- Part II is foreshadowed and contacted by Part I according to Nasu (ORT is nowhere hinted or relevant in Part I story). When Nasu writes, he puts an emphasis on the Animusphere (look at CCC and Seraphics).
-The alien of another planet gets nicknamed "Satans Who Ars As Lucifero" by Douman because he's very "similar." So it could be: he's someone fallen from grace or a consumated liar who deceives and misleads.
-He never actually says he's a god of another planet, he says he will come to this world as one, and that Crypters must prepare a world that will 'accept him'. Ivan's faith in his god made it unable for him to take root in his lostbelt (this is important! that's why the tree of fantasy/utopia couldn't germinate well).
-Kotomine kind of compares the situation of the enemy now with HF's Angra Mainyu, he's going to "Bless a life that wants to be born". As you know, Angra Mainyu was a regular human being who got wishes engraved, maybe same happened with the poor unfortunate one who is the basis of the Satan/God of Another Planet.

>>19035908
Believe me anon, that's all I want too.
Fuck, if Nasu made an actual good short story with no ties to Servant/Fate shit, I would forgive him for a couple of years with no more Remake news.
Just stop wasting good stuff on a shit inconsistent game. Please please please.

>>19035893
All history turned into a lostbelt, that anon isn't paying attention. The furry world also didn't have any planets or stars. This was actually relevant. There is some kind of dome on the sky that insolates them.

>>19035745
Arcueid has a sister? Where?

>>19035926
Altrouge Brunestud, the ninth of the 27 Ancestors of the Dead Apostles. She stole Arc's long hair, has a couple of really strong DAA bodyguards, and murderous pet dog.

>>19035913
And I forgot, every time the Animusphere family is brought up, be Olga or Billy, the "god's priestess" gets a cutscene listening by.

>>19035918
>Just stop wasting good stuff on a shit inconsistent game. Please please please.

Doesn't Nasu consider FGO to be the main TM project?

>>19035938
It totally is, very unfortunately.

>>19035933
While we're on the subject how does being half True Ancestor and half Dead Apostles work? Does it just mean that she's half human that more or less bit herself?

>>19035933
Who are the parents?

>>19035922
>The furry world
The WHAT world?

>didn't have any planets or stars

Jesus christ. Nasu wasn't kidding when he said Grand Order let him do all kinds of planet level shit.

>>19035946
>>19035949
We don't really know, other than our guys Birdman and Merem not recognizing her as the "true" successor to Crimson Moon despite being the first to hold the title of Brunestud.

>>19035949
All True Ancestors are artificially created with CM as a basis. The ones capable of manifesting The Millennium Castle get the name Brunestud. I'm guessing it's in this way that they're "sisters". They're all basically siblings but those two are ones worthy of the same name so they're especially close or something like that.

>>19035913
>>19035935
Solid theory. His death being so suspicious made me think that something else planned for his demise, but this is making me think its because of something he himself planned.

>>19035843
You're probably just going to wait till Berserker Arcuied shows up GO for interactions with her and Fou.

>>19035959
I really don't think that Berserker Arcueid will appear in FGO. She was Berserker in Extra for a specific reason and I doubt Nasu would waste putting her in that state. When she does get implemented she'll probably be Ruler on the basis that "nature is impartial".

I also like the other guy's theory about Marisbilly. It also adds to the idea that the "Priestess of the Alien God" is Olga.

>>19035951
It's an AU timeline where a meteorite hit Earth around the time Ivan started his rule in Russia. For his people to survive the cold merciless winter, he has them (and himself) merged with phantasmal Beasts. They became known as the "Yaga". The problem is... that only them and some animals survived. Human Order collapsed, so the timeline was cut off history and got marked from pruning. But didn't get pruned, this along with some other timelines survived, but only a small portion of it. It can't prosper or growth. The "alien invasion" is literally the Lostbelts hitting the now blank and textureless world and trying to anchor to grow and replace the panhistory with their own. They can prosper and do this thanks to the "Trees of Fantasies", their duty is to expand helped by a Crypter who is to assist the Lostbelt King.

The Yaga have lived in their pocket world for centuries have never seen the stars, or heard music, and have forgotten empathy in a world of the basis of survival of the fittest for the scarce food supplies. The last scene they have is Salieri playing Twinkle Twinkle Star for them as their dome shatters and they can see the starlit sky before their existence and timeline is denied/pruned. Actually is a very nice scene.

>>19035983
>The Yaga have lived in their pocket world for centuries have never seen the stars, or heard music, and have forgotten empathy in a world of the basis of survival of the fittest for the scarce food supplies. The last scene they have is Salieri playing Twinkle Twinkle Star for them as their dome shatters and they can see the starlit sky before their existence and timeline is denied/pruned. Actually is a very nice scene.
It is nice. And very sad. I feel so bad for them.

Especially since they're furries. Good lord.

>>19035983
I knew someone would reply despite that anon having no idea of what's happening in FGO.
Stop trying to bait someone into a shit game as if it's worth it for a story that is incredibly inconsistent. This is the kind of cherrypicking of the "not terrible" moments that has bothered me about FGO fans over the years.
Even if you like this mediocre Higashide stuff with too many Servants and a shitty medium, it baffles me that you don't see the waste of potential and how far it is from what made old Type-Moon interesting.

>>19035959
I'm not sure if he planned it willingly. He could have despaired after watching how "evil" the system was or he got sucked into whatever he was working as (he and all his family) and received the prayers and grudges of all the culled worlds which transformed him (like with Angra, he didn't willingly choose this). Maybe he wanted prosperity for humanity but would prosperity come when worlds are arbitrarily pruned by a system? It just sounds like the bad guy wants to revamp the system (like Goetia did but with other method). Goetia focused more on the suffering and his pity for humans. The whole "unchosen" grudge is kind of a theme share by Crypters and their Lostbelts, and the "God" said: "chose ambition or nothingness." The system has a lot to do with it, that's why I ruled out the external alien thing as end boss (not saying we won't have a Tiamat case, I'm sure if there's a Type is in Daybit Lostbelt), because of the PV.

We know Douman and the "God" /Satan found the Lostbelts after Shimousa, so it's something that's even fairly recent development.

>>19036004
>It is nice. And very sad. I feel so bad for them.
Well, yeah, it's mean to be tragic because "it's not you who are evil, it's that you were born in the wrong history."

>>19036005
What are you talking about? If you don't want people to experience the bad parts then what's so bad about cherrypicking the good parts and posting them here? Think about what you just said for a moment.

>>19035976
They'll probably split Arc between herself and Archetype Earth like they did with Shiki, if she ever gets in.

>>19036005
He asked and I answered. Let the anon form his opinion.

>>19036016
You should ignore that guy. He gets triggered at any mention of FGO.

>>19036027
Why do TM fans hate FGO?

>>19036017
If Fujino can get in, so can Arc.

And besides, Tsuki collab is a dream of Nasu's. Have faith. Or er, should it be the opposite of that?

>>19036016
That's fine if that's all they do, but your post is exactly the kind of thing that always bugged me since the later part 1 chapters (when people started seeing the story as "good" in some way).
They talk about it in a way that gives a totally false impression of what the game is. Like it's some fucking wild ride full of emotional moments and likable characters, or executed well, or like you don't have to deal with typical mobage bullshit and a self-insert protag clouding every part of the story. Or like there's stuff to look forward to with every new part of the story.

>>19036025
That's fine, but you're totally telling a summary in a way that makes it seem like a REALLY good story. Only the emotional stuff that stays with you, not an objective look at it. It's not a good idea for people to form an opinion based on fanboys' re-tellings and nothing else.
This is the entire reason I ever feel the need to shit-talk FGO online, when other TM fans shill its story as something amazing.

>>19036039
The majority of them don't.

>>19036040
>>19036017
Arc is guaranteed by Nasu. Everyone else in Tsukihime is a toss.

>>19036045
I don't need to remind that guy of the gacha system when he asked about the furries and the stars.

>>19036045
The part with the Yaga seeing the stars for the first time as their world is ending while Salieri plays twinkle twinkle little star in the background having decided to witness their last moments with them was genuinely good though.

Is hollow ataraxia worth reading?

>>19036053
Technically the way he worded wanting Arc in GO seemed to suggest he would only do so after the Remake was out, which pretty much puts it in never-ever territory.

>>19036045
People don't like mentioning all the shitty aspects since that becomes really redundant quickly.
Of course if you aren't as informed as us that is an issue.

>>19036067
Yes.

>>19036004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7UkmQa24OM&

>>19036040
>Or er, should it be the opposite of that?
I certainly don't want Arc in GO. But I have little doubt that Nasu will eventually whore her out regardless.

>>19036053
No one is talking about the gacha. Your post mentions everything in concept, and the emotional pay-off at the end, but nothing about how it's executed. About re-using fucking Tamamo and Kirei's characters in FGO as antagonists, or the self-insert being bland as usual, or the usual imbalance between Servants and non-Servants.
It's just so wrong to judge FGO without having actually experienced it and understanding how unfun it is 99% of the time, and how any of the good moments are lost in the middle of the garbage.

>>19036058
Absolutely, I didn't deny that. Shame the entire lostbelt setup was clearly done so they could milk these moments with every new chapters, and even hacks like Higashide can easily tug at the heartstrings of players with "everyone you met is gonna die because they had bad luck lol".

>>19036074
Yeah, and the anon they replied to clearly doesn't know shit about FGO. Ignorant people are usually who those cherrypicked posts are targeted at.

>>19036067
Yep, if you like FSN's characters. Do it, you can even get a voice patch now.

>>19036090
The main helper in Lostbelt I is a "human" (Yaga), though. Patsy is the heart of the matter, that's one thing they did well.

I don't feel like writing about "Blah blah Guda sucks" because everyone knows that. I don't care about Kotomine or Tamamo. I haven't really thought if they are good or bad in the story yet.

>>19036083
Falling for one self-insert to the next.

>>19036099
Yeah, I can see you had no bad intentions. I just get triggered by this shit because I can't help but see it as shilling when it's on /a/ or whatever. I guess /tmg/ is different and we can just discuss lore/story by itself.
Humans as major characters don't really matter when it's still 99% a Servant game.

>>19036108
And a mountain of NTR doujinshi to accompany it. Well, my only consolation in that regard is that it would be the inferior remake version of Arc.

>>19036083
I fully expect her to be free.

>>19036120
I fucking hate FGO so much but I'd still love NTR doujins for Tsuki girls because I'm a big degenerate.
If there's a good thing that could come from Tsukihime collab (besides Remake news), it'd be porn.

>>19036132
You disgust me. It's not like it would be even good aside from the potential of high quality artwork, these fucking fan artists don't even know the source characters very well which is why all the scripts they put together for their doujins are pure cringe and completely off character.

It's like, fucking 90% of the Nero doujins I've read have all portrayed her as some shy pure maiden which is so asinine it hurts. It's the primary reason I'd like to keep the fanbases segregated since most fanartists are simply just riding on the wave of popularity that FGO has and most of them couldn't care less about their renditions resembling the source material.

>>19036067
Absolutely.

>>19035598
>Additionally, French Bread making a new Melty Blood seems to be outright blocked behind Nasu finishing the Remake, and they've publicly asked him to hurry the fuck up.
I bet French Bread actually has all the sprites and gameplay mapped out. They're just desperately hoping the remake designs won't change, so they don't need to redo all their secret work.

>>19036144
>It's not like it would be even good aside from the potential of high quality artwork
Well, I consider that a fairly big deal in my porn, anon.

But yeah, agreed about greedy pixiv artists riding GOshit's dick. Even the most terribly designed and blandest of Servants get top tier drawings, while great girls from other series get nothing.
I guess doujinshi might not be great due to the personalities, but we'd probably get some great pictures of Tsukihime girls at the very least.
Of course, there'll be nothing but depression if they do an event for more easy money, without any substantial news or a release date for the actual Remake. Turning everything into Fate is the biggest cancer in TM right now.

>>19036132
I bet you like those 3d models of Akiha getting fucked by old men made by that blendy fuck on pixiv, don't you?

>>19036115
They seem to be trying to remedy the no humans problem in FGO. They added two humans to the main cast, made a group of magi the prominent antagonists, and if the chapter rewards stay the same there will probably be a lore dumping Lostbelt resident in each chapter.

It's not a perfect fix, but it's a welcome step in the right direction.

>>19036162
Nah, shitty 3D models are just bad. I'm talking about potential for well drawn stuff.

>>19036165
It's never actually gonna "get good" in that regard, anon. Servants are the appeal to secondaries, that's the reason to play FGO for the majority of the audience. That's why I kinda hate it as a whole even from the basic premise. Getting in a few important human characters won't change what the story and the game are. F/SF is a story with proper balance, though at this point I just want Nasu to take a clean break from Servants.

>>19036158
Eh, I kinda doubt that. It's not like they've shown all of the remake designs yet, nor all of their outfits. It'd be kinda silly for them to put work into stuff that has really little hope of coming out at this point.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised that if it did end up releasing in 3-4 years from now, that we'd see another revamp of the designs. The redesigns themselves are already 6 years old, and, well, they honestly haven't really caught on. The vast majority of the artwork made for those characters are still the classic versions.

buhi

>>19036200
A pig is fine too.

moes

>>19036115
I'll be frank with you: I don't really care if a character is a human, Servant, alien, DA, as long they are well written or interesting. They are all fictional characters. My main beef with FGO was to saturate the cast for the gacha so a few actually got development and an arc that made them unique, and sometimes distracted to the execution of the story (Mordred fighting Lancer Alter Artoria in London would have been interesting if they had interacted and didn't get a one liner cutscene without any fucking emotional heaviness of "Mordred is saving England now vs Artoria who is going to destroy it" irony). It just felt she got slapped on the ending to justify her getting added in the gacha. However, speaking frankly I prefer a Servant like Nightingale to a human Kuzuki, for example. It's all in how they are executed. Latest event has a full human oc cast (with reused Servant cg) and has been mindnumbing boring.

In that sense, Lostbelt I with its smaller cast which everyone plays a role (and sometimes an emotional one) is a step in the right direction of how to fix things (giving the self-insert some characterization would be the best but I won't hold my breath). I prefer the outline plot of the first arc, but it's begun to fix at least this grievance of a bloated cast of one scene wonders or Servants who don't even get a fucking line before getting killed. Everyone in Lostbelt had a scene, memorable actions, lines and a purpose. That's all I can ask of a work of fiction.

>>19036247
All fine points anon, I just don't care about how much FGO "fixes", it's irredeemable shit to me. All the tiny gold nuggets that come out of it will just continue drowning in the ocean of shit it has accumulated up to this point. The only "fix" I see is Nasu working on something that isn't directly associated with this clusterfuck, and preferably not with Fate in general.
But good on you if you've managed to enjoy any part of FGO.

>>19036247
And additionally, I would argue against your point about character diversity/balance not being important. That was a huge part of what made TM appealing to me personally, the variety of different beings and factions at play, it's part of what creates the TM "feel" that marked Nasu's earlier works.
In the current event all the characters are normal humans, of course they're boring. That's totally not what I'm asking for. It's homogenous and boring in the same way that an all-Servant cast is. Though Servants are also particular for the fact that they all have a base to work off of, while creating a fully original character that's actually cool (not a generic normal human) is more challenging.

>>19036144
>It's like, fucking 90% of the Nero doujins I've read have all portrayed her as some shy pure maiden which is so asinine it hurts
THIS
Holy shit she's a fucking slut. Get it together, artists.

The Melty Blood Manga says:
>The people living in those worlds would have no way of knowing this, but the Twenty-Seven Dead Apostle Ancestors, said to be the apex of the Dead Apostles, do not exist in worlds where Heroic Spirit summoning is possible.

But Jester in Fate / Strange Fake mentions the 27 DAA in Volume 2:
>There is an organization, called the Burial Agency, made up of the very best of the executors. It’s members have the power to do battle with the “Twenty-Seven Ancestors,” known as the pinnacle of vampire-kind. Their name was passed down among the Dead Apostles, who they would, it was said, occasionally slaughter solo, as a legend, a terror, and a warning.

So, which one is true now because they're in direct conflict with each other.

>>19036510
FSF is a special world that gets both.

>>19036115
>Humans as major characters don't really matter when it's still 99% a Servant game.

These are what I consider Nasu's "original" works:
Kara no Kyoukai - 1998
Tsukihime - 2000
Tsukihime PLUS-DISC - January 2001
Kagetsu Tohya - August 2001
Melty Blood - 2002
Fate/stay night - January 2004
Melty Blood ReACT - May 2004 (this is where the cancer begins)
DDD - 2004 (good up until the last chapter, which is retarded; arguably not Nasuverse)
Fate/hollow ataraxia - 2005 (you can see the traces of cancer growing)

Incidentally, Tsukihime's excellent manga, which Nasu also supervised, began in 2003 and ended in 2010.

This was TM's output for the last four years
~2012
Mahou Tsukai no Yoru
Fate/Apocrypha
Fate/kaleid liner PRISMAILLYA 3rei!!
~2013
Fate/hollow ataraxia manga
Fate/Extra CCC
Fate/kaleid liner PRISMAILLYA anime
Kara no Kyoukai: Future Gospel movie
~2014
Fate/kaleid liner PRISMAILLYA 2wei! anime
Fate/stay night Unlimited Blade Works ufotable anime series
~2015
Fate/kaleid liner PRISMAILLYA 2wei! Herz
Fate/Grand Order
Fate/strange fake Light Novel
~2016
Fate/Extella
~2017
Fate/stay night Heaven's Feel film - 2017
Fate/Extra Last Encore anime - 2017

TM's current focus should be obvious enough (it's fucking Fate), but beyond this, do you happen to notice any profound differences in tone between the so-called original works and the recent prominent works that aren't simply adaptations of existing material?

>>19036546
>Kara no Kyoukai: Future Gospel movie
5 years later and I still can't believe an April Fools joke actually became real.

Ever since Tsukihime and Fate/Stay Night were fan-translated, did Nasu ever take notice that he now has fans outside Japan?

>>19036559
You mean like strange fake?

>>19036565
Probably, but he doesn't care.

>>19036565
>>19036577
>Iwakami then brings out a surprise: he pulls an envelope out of his jacket and says it's a letter from Nasu. He gives the letter to Kawasumi to read. An English version appears on the big screen as she reads. It's basically Nasu expressing his appreciation for all the fans the world over who love the Fate franchise, and he ends his letter with "I ask you, are you my fans?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yU24fdB9tXY

>>19036584
>I ask you, are you my fans?
cringe

>>19036584
>Nasu expressing his appreciation for all the fans the world over who love the Fate franchise, and he ends his letter with "I ask you, are you my fans?"
Never trust a mushroom.

>>19036546
Isn't Mahoyo technically original too?

>>19036510
Narita had no idea Nasu had defined the world building when he published Strange Fake. There are a lot of contradictions in Strange Fake because in general Nasu prefers to be hand off with works that aren't "in house" production. For example, in how Gilgamesh uses his clairvoyance, Nasu portrays the process very different when he writes Babylonia (Gilgamesh doesn't remember anything: he's put in some sleeping state he automatically writes his prophecy and later can choose to read what he wrote or not). It's just that Narita had no way to know it because Nasu just gave him a vague description.

>>19036762
I'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing from the very beginning because Narita has said that he had Nasu help him with the setting rules and all of that. This is not unlike how Nasu breaks his own rules if the story demands and in this case Narita told him he wanted to use stuff from Tsukihime from the get go.

>>19036653
This. Get it together you old hack.

In the book that came out detailing the history of Type Moon the author tries to explain why people like Nasu's worldbuilding and at the end he even mentions that the Western fans have dubbed it "Nasuverse". So they are aware of the fanbase.

>>19036546
>do you happen to notice any profound differences in tone
Quite obviously, excluding adaptations and Mahoyo, I don't see how you wouldn't.

>>19037423
That's neat.

>>19037626
n e w

>>19037631
A bit early anon, wait for page 9/10 next time.

>>19036040
would rape/10