/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Anyone can help me what this Kanji is?

Just a reminder that there's a little under two months to prepare for the test many of us aim to pass at its 5 levels.

It's plenty of time to pick up the pace and get through a bunch of material, so don't let yourself down!

I'm going to be going for my N2 after almost 3 years of studying, but I feel super confident and just need to make sure I fully know my grammar (my biggest weakness).

7 weeks is enough time to learn 500-1000 new words (decently comfortably) or to get through any of those grammar books you've almost finished!

>>19011916
丨

>>19011930
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/8iw0id/7_weeks_until_jlpt/

>>19011899
Since the djtguide.neocities page has long since been actively maintained, how does everything think of an idea to move it to a wiki format where anons can add their own edits, etc.?

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Starting_and_Running_a_Wiki_Website/Hosted_Wikis
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services

The neocities hub is really nice but as a community project is has ultimately failed.

>>19011966
this

>>19011966
I'll make the logo.

>>19011966
Do it

>>19011930
>>19011943
would you guys say that these people's japanese sucks dick?

>>19011966
Spend 5 dollars a month on a cheap VPS and install moinmoinwiki on it. Profit.

>>19011966
>where anons can add their own edits
That sounds like a terrible idea.

>>19012058
Ever heard of Wikipedia?

>>19012085
Yeah but that has a horde of editors and checkers to make sure it doesn't get vandalized. Not to mention nearly every article is heavily sourced.
What would we even put on a wiki?

>>19012096
Read the guide

Let's remember to not be an elitist to fellow learners

Everyone is at different stages and improve at different rates. I've seen lots of stories here about being put down from friends about the interest in learning and people who keep it to themselves for that reason. It would be even more discouraging to be put down by those who should be your peers.

>>19012107
The guide is fine. I'd make a few pretty minor changes, but overall it points people in the right direction.

>>19012116
I kinda beat myself for how some of you seem to get around a 1000 kanji a year and to N3 or so in a year. Like how?!? Is that the only subject you guys focus on?!

I don't need elitists to berate me, I do it to myself.

>>19012128
Getting to N3 through self-study in itself is an achievement. Most people would learn hiragana/katakana, read a little bit of Tae Kim and give up.

>>19012128
Don't respond to r*ddit posts

>>19011916
So this will probably come off as a n0ob question, but I'm looking for a serious answer. I'm working through RTK right now handmaking flashcards and I always write them with their given stroke order. However sometimes when reviewing and rewriting I'll forget the stroke order of some and just write them in a different order to achieve their form. Every resource, from RTK to this sub constantly harps on correct stroke order and I'm just curious why it's so important. I don't go out of my way to write them in a different order but when I do and achieve the same final Kanji product I don't see why the order is as important as it's made out to be. So what are your reasons for why stroke order is important? I'm not challenging, just genuinely curious.

Decided to start my Japanese classes this semseter and boy did I learn a lot. We got to chapter 7 in the Genki book but I learned so much. It is summer so no classes, and I was wondering what's a good way to try and get a bit ahead? should I start learning more Kanji or what can I read/watch to stay active in it?

>>19012137
How else would you get to N3?

Is learning Japanese the hardest task you've ever done in your life?

>>19012158
no the hardest task i've ever done is finding happiness
and i havent even done it yet

>>19012155
Hey! Don’t lose motivation! Learning a new language is hard but so rewarding I feel! For me, I definitely struggle with adjectives. I can’t remember them, and I forget whether it’s an い or な conjugation. But I know with practice I’ll learn it. Don’t give up my dude!

>>19012157
I mean that the vast majority of people need to be handheld in a class or by a tutor to get to N3. It takes a lot of discipline to even get on the track to learning Japanese.

>>19012151
I talked to a Japanese girl and she said many people in Japan don't really care about the exact stroke order.

How should I go about Learning Kanji?

I'm still fairly beginner in Japanese, and I'm wondering how I should go about learning Kanji. I was originally planning to wait until the end and save Kanji for last, but I'm afraid that if I do that I won't know exactly what words have what Kanji because of the multiple readings and all that. So is the more ideal option to just learn new words in their Kanji form and learn it like that?

>>19012151
from what ive always been told from teachers is that it's an art/ tradition type thing, and although we cant tell the difference most Japanese definitely can. basically said it makes you look like a dumb foreigner who doesn't care about the rules. i don't know if that's true but that's what I've been told. also i personally think that's the only real difference between シ and ツ on paper.

>>19012184
The hardest thing about learning kanji is that there is many layers to learn. What I mean is, learning a vocabulary is like 学生. Sure, you can learn the word means "student", but you also need to recognize the two kanji at play AND also learn how to read the word. That means to learn a new word, you are learning at least 3 things at once to really learn it. When you are learning so many things at once, your brain tends to skip certain details. One gap that happens a lot is that you'll likely can't tell the difference between 獲 and 穫 in different kanji contexts unless you really focusing on the radicals.

This is why I advocate to break down the learnings from 3+ things at once to focusing learning one thing at once. This is also why some people can learn 50 vocab a day instead of 10. Those people are not learning 3+ things at once per vocab at that pace. If you knew the meaning of a kanji, learning a vocab is just learning the readings and associating the individual kanji meanings to the vocab meaning. That's at least one less thing to have to learn. The real difference is that you are not starting from zero which makes a world of difference. For example, by knowing 学's meaning and on reading, it's a lot easier to learn 学生、学校、留学、学歴、化学, etc..

I'm not saying you can't learn kanji by vocab, it does work, but it's just incredibly hard if you really think hard how much load to do so. And generally you aren't enforcing the meanings of individual kanjis. It may take you months until you put two and two together what a particular kanji might mean from the vocabularies you had learned. People always argue that native speakers learn kanji from vocab not from individual kanji. That's true, but realize that native speakers are fluent by learning how to speak. For a 5 year old native that have never seen the word 学生, once they learned the sound of those weird symbols, they just have to associated what they already know. Essentially, they are not learning the meaning or the sound, they just have to match what already know to those kanjis which is relatively trivial. While we are trying to learn all the details of a word all at once which is insane.

I don't have really specific tips on learning readings but as long as you are chunking it, you'll do fine. I feel like most of the response here is to learn the readings from learning the vocab, I think that is really not optimal. At least from experience, it's not the best way to tackle this beast. Another way to think about it is that there are limited number of common kanjis, there are infinite number of vocab. I would feel overwhelmed to try to hope to learn those limited kanji by learning vocab. Those that have been through it knows that once you have kanji handled(at the very least, some broad meaning of the kanji), learning new vocab is so much easier. Again, it's just one less thing to learn at once.

welp it was nice knowing you guys i'm going to go over to the eroge japanese thread, not to be confused with the untranslated eroge thread

>>19012211
Can I tag along?

>>19012224
yeah if you make it

Is this the genki study group?

Sorry I'm late. What'd you guys get for question 7 chapter 2?

>>19012242
i asked my japanese boyfriend for help on this task and he said "watasi wa gei" so idk but i think its right

>>19012249
LOL! Nice. I wish I had a Japanese bf ): nothing but pale white boys in my town

>>19012287
so my fiance is half Japanese, he knows just about as much as I do but neither of us are that proficient. id say we're intermediate level. I started learning just because i wanted a challenge in school but now i really want to be able to speak to this family I'm marrying into. plus I mean I imagine its kinda lonely for his mom not getting to speak her own language often. TANGENT ASIDE, the majority of his Japanese family stayed in Japan, and don't know much English. once I do get to meet them I wanna make a good impression. how should I go about introducing myself to the grandparents though, does that require an extra level of politeness or am i gonna come off as rude with the typical 始めまして、どうぞ宜しく。旅行どうだった？ yada yada would that seem insincere? am i overthinking it? probably. especially since I'm probably meeting them at the wedding i wanna make sure I know what to say/what's ok to say so i don't stress about it. also, tell me if what I said above is weird in general im really rusty I might've mis-typed

朝から晩まで2chを１分単位でﾘﾛｰﾄﾞするﾈｯﾄ廃人。現実でもﾈｯﾄでも誰にも相手にされない
全生物の最底辺のｺﾞｷﾌﾞﾘや蛆虫以下の存在。２次元ｷｬﾗを嫁と思い込んでおり、少しでも叩かれると火病る。
部屋はﾍﾟｯﾄﾎﾞﾄﾙ尿とゴミとフィギュアの山。萌えｷｬﾗのﾎﾟｽﾀｰに白いしみだらけ。親からは見捨てられ、殺されかけたことがあるので部屋を厳重に施錠している。

Man: DJT
Girl: anti-DJT

>>19012367
>ﾘﾛｰﾄﾞ
>ﾈｯﾄ
>ﾍﾟｯﾄﾎﾞﾄﾙ
どうして

clips.twitch dot tv/TacitSavoryWaspNerfRedBlaster

The mad man actually did it!

>>19012386
エステティックだから

俺ウーパールーパーだぜ

>>19012397
youve discovered my true identity its all over

minna genki?

why does everyone hate reddit

i dont hate reddit but i also dont go to reddit

i imagine most people who hate reddit also go to reddit

>>19012397
>twitch
You really have to go back.

If you don't tell him you're genki he ain't gonna stop asking.

>>19012410
ｼﾞｻﾂしろ

Is it just 1 guy autistically posting reddit? Cause the entire fucking thread is chock full of them.

>>19012628
yes

>>19012628
>1 guy

No. I was the original but it seems other people doing it now too

Do you sit on a card for a minute and try to force yourself to remember it or do you blitz through cards, getting many wrong but knowing you'll remember them eventually?

>>19012628
How do you distinguish between reddit posts?

>>19012684
Just blitz. Even if you have to see it tomorrow it will still be less time than sitting there trying to remember for a minute

>>19012686
They don't look natural to somebody who doesn't go there.

>>19011930
>>19012116
>>19012151
>>19012155
>>19012184
>>19012198
>>19012350

There you go>>19012686

You can tell because they are usually long as fuck when the question/statement could have been condensed into 1/5th the length. They also are always full of useless blog type info because redditos are apparently narcissistic as fuck for some reason and feel the need to include their entire life's context in a question about learning a fucking language.

>>19012594
thats not the clear condition

>>19012686
Hi

Please post each sentence on a different line.

Large blocks of text intimidate the differently-abled.

Thanks

>>19012704
The problem with redditors isn't that they visit reddit, but that there's a particular type of retardation associated with the average person that visits that site. As some have pointed out in this thread, you can't understand why reddit is bad unless you visit there.

nigga been studying for a year and already thinks he's a linguist expert

I'm looking to study abroad in Tokyo at a language school in about 6 months and figured I have quite a bit of time to self study to try and place myself past the intro level.

The school I'm looking at has the level 2 course starting at the N5 level. Would completing Genki I in all aspects (reading, kanji, writing, grammar) be sufficient to reach the N5 level? I'm already half-way through with the first book of Genki so I should have plenty of time to make sure I learn all the content from this book.

Is there any other recommended material to help reach N5 so I can make sure I can pass the placement test and skip the entry level class?

Thanks

>>19012774
>Thanks

You're welcome

is lick g the greatest of all time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwTGLqgDkzA&t=919

>>19012670
Please explain why you were doing it. What were you trying to achieve?

>>19012793
Rap isn't music.

>>19012801
Have you ever done it?
Fucking try it, it gives me such a big rush it's incredible, especially when you get 2 or more serious replies I literally cannot stop shaking. Try it.

>>19012802
your posting isnt good

What sites have raw manga that I can read?
I'll be travelling on phone and won't have good enough net to download them

>>19012813
Your words aren't posts.
>>19012818
Manga isn't reading.

>>19012811
i bet you wear girls underwear under your clothes in public and walk around with a giant boner reveling in your deviancy lol

>>19012801
I just found really dumb people on r*ddit and wanted to give folks here a laugh. I was originally from there because I wasn't sure which 4chan board had Japanese learning thread on it. But yeah, they let me astray for a few months so fuck them, let's make fun of them

>>19012829
you still arent rolling with the winning team dude

>>19012375
Cute.
Sauce?

>>19012833
I can't afford the AJATT discord

>>19012826
I would do it if I were a trap, I'm too muscular & tall though

>>19012823
What sites have raw manga that I can stare at and understand the words on the pages?

>>19012842
nobodys winning on any discord anywhere

>>19012848
So, I've lived in Japan for two years now.

Since week one, a small family that owns a fish shop has very kindly had me over every week for dinner and conversation. Every year, during our town's official matsuri they ask me to pull the float associated with their neighborhood and I happily accept. I've made friends with a few of the people who come home to this town for the matsuri, also.

A few months ago, I met another old couple. This couple much older, much, much richer and (by what it sounds like when I talk to other people) of incredibly high notoriety in the city. I've been to their home for dinner three times and also invited to a houji for the husband's father. They often try to ask me to join their team instead, but I personally would prefer to continue with the team I originally joined. (I also meet with that family far more often and know them much better). Also the next matsuri will the its 400th anniversary and the fish shop family takes the festival very seriously.

Is accepting this other family's request inevitable or is there a polite way that I can decline?

Suggestions, ways of phrasing, etc. would be greatly appreciated!

>>19012843
but then it would just make you a even bigger deviant hentai bitch

just give in to your hearts desire

How do I disguise my reddit posts here so when I post it people reply honestly?

>>19012854
here ill show you

whats the difference between は and が

>>19012855
One marks the topic and one doesn't

>>19012736
You missed this one >>19012190

>>19012855
one is a case marker and the other only is in set phrases

>>19012835
It's the DJT classic 絶対霊域

>>19012890
絶対霊域 taught me more Japanese than any Anki deck or grammar guide did.

>>19012853
It's not my desire

>>19012893
I dunno whether I learned things from it or not, but it seems like I'll "know" Japanese by the time that I finish it (it's not my main reading)

test〰

icles

I'm learning Japanese so I can have better communication with my wife, 02 from the anime Darring in the Franxxxu

>>19012962
kanasii

Anyone hear read any Nitro+ stuff? How difficult would you say they are?

>>19012962
fuck off to >>>/a/

Raws are shit quality but I can read them without worrying about shit translation.
Scanlations are great quality after cleaning but have shitty guesslations.
Importing physical manga is costly and waiting for the next batch is agonizing, not to mention how much space they start taking up after a while.
What the fuck is a nerd to do? What's your poison of choice?

あなたの言い訳は聞きたくありません。
Why did he attach ありません to 聞く even though it should be attached to nouns and adjectives?

>>19012968
But there is no DJT on /a/. I need to understand my zero tsu

>>19012978
It's just the polite form of 聞きたくない

>>19012973
>Raws are shit quality but I can read them without worrying about shit translation.
download good quality raws
>Scanlations are great quality after cleaning but have shitty guesslations.
who the fuck cares this isn't the daily scanlation thread faggot
>Importing physical manga is costly and waiting for the next batch is agonizing, not to mention how much space they start taking up after a while.
stop being an unpatient cunt and get some book shelves

How was /djt/ back in the days on /a/?

>>19012890
Oh, that's his brother then. I've only read the first two or three volumes but don't remember that. Should finish reading it, sort of became busy and started reading something else after and forgot about it.

>>19012988
>good quality raws
No such thing, unless you count porn.

>>19012989
pretty fuckin bad thats why it got kettobase`d here

>>19012988
>good quality raws
Good fucking luck, dude. There's a reason most scanlation groups have a whole guy dedicated to cleaning that shit up.

>>19013001
That's not why /djt/ got pushed to /jp.

>>19012973
>Raws are shit quality
There are a great many raws out there and many high quality among them.
>What the fuck is a nerd to do?
Try becoming experienced with raws because it is clear that you have no do not really have knowledge of what you are talking about.

>>19013000
stop complaining about the low quality of stolen comic book scans and buy digital manga then dumb retard

>>19013000
>>19013010
Neither of you have read much manga this is obvious. Stop commenting on quality and start reading.
One bad experience is not universal or else raw manga online would not be popular with native readers.

>>19013015
Gladly, now point me where I can buy high digital manga without retarded drms.

>>19013022
Give me one example of manga with consistently good quality raws.

http://opencoglab.org/memtest1/
What score do you get on this memory test?

I'm going to assume there is a rough correlation between score on this test and ability to remember Jap words, but there's a difference between short and longterm memory so that will offset things. Pic related. I can't remember shit so I'm assuming everyone else will score higher.

>>19013030
one punch man
watamote
literally any manga available online officially (that means lots)

>>19013030
doraemon

>>19013013
Sorry dude but raw quality dropped off a cliff the moment that Japanese pirates could start using ebooks instead of having to scan things themselves.

>>19013033
Don't fucking click this shit it's virus.

>>19013043
Trolling takes guts and intelligence. Take the test and let me know your score. I'm going to estimate it's above 50.

>>19013043
I don't know where you learned this joke from but it's really stupid. Not in a "ha ha it's so stupid and annoying it can't help but make me laugh" way, it's literally just stupid.

>>19013055
It's not stupid, he's correct. Anything that requires more than HTML to function on the web is pretty much malware.

>>19013064
The only external js used is jquery, which is free software. The embedded JS is non-obfuscated, which effectively makes it public domain in some countries.

>>19013033
i took the test and then even did the survey but this triggered me so bad i closed the entire thing immediately and didnt even see my score

>>19013033
I have a 85-90% retention rate in Anki but I use physical flash cards to memorize new words. I can't remember shit from a screen.

>>19013045
How'd I do 大将

>>19013033
am i nihongo yet

>>19013073
Why don't they host it on their servers instead of pulling it from goolag?

>>19013033
Got 32. I have severely impaired memory due to trauma and I find it crippling when studying (was studying computer science - only got to 2nd year, barely getting by. Currently I'm doing an online programming course and it takes me much more time than it should).

I mean that stuff is really bad - I actually have a psychological opinion saying that, so I don't know how such result can be considered within "norm".
I wouldn't be suprised if it's within "norm" only because people are often lowering their scores by selecting symbols they weren't sure about.

>>19013108
Then they would be harvesting your data in their logs. Use your brain.

>>19013106
depends dude can you get that score if it was all kanji lol

>>19013117
not him but I'm positive that test would actually be a lot easier if it was kanji

>>19013117
Lowercase-kun why are you so dumb?

>>19013119
i wouldnt be so sure dude it would really depend if youre nihongo..

>>19013122
because your face

>>19013115
Exactly.

>>19013033
No surprise here. My memory is terrible.

>>19013033
This test is actually a good way to filter dekinais, we should put it in the OP

>>19013169
but posting itt is already a great indicator

Do the Japanese have a word for DLC? As in, "Download Content." Optional things for a video game that usually cost money.

>>19013182
the very aptly named ダウンロードコンテンツ

>>19013182
ダウンロードコンテンツ

I was originally gonna start reading at 1500 words but I'm at 700 and getting real bored of just anki. There's not a really big difference between starting at 1000 vs 1500 right?

>>19013182
追加コンテンツ

>>19013193
No reason to wait. No matter how big your vocab base feels, you're gonna be looking shit up like crazy for the first few years of your studies.

>>19013182
散財コンテンツ

>>19013182
ゲイコンテンツ

>>19013033
51 here

>>19013182
ヘテロコンテンツッ

>>19013212
That applies to the whole gaming industry.

>>19013250
にん

here i bring the nihongo learning to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qK--XPppsE

>>19013033
50

Fuck it I'm not doing any new cards today

>>19013300
But that's the most pleasant part of doing anki.

>>19013300
good choice what are you gonna do instead

>manga text can't be highlighted since they're just images/scans
>have to type in the hiragana in a virtual japanese keyboard in order to painstakingly translate
Cya.

>>19013302
Reviews are way more fun for me
>>19013303
Read a bit of TK, ave a wank and try to figure out what I want to start my reading journey with

>>19013309
I think you're broken.

>>19013309
great disappointment

>>19013308
didn't know the theory of natural selection applied to japanese learning too

>>19012890
This shit is somehow really good, in a way you don't expect from the gag manga. Or maybe it's just the effort of reading it in Japanese giving this impression.

>>19013314
How come? I'm gonna start reading a full month before I had originally planned
>>19013311
I'm aware

>>19013269
Any confirmation that he really is gay?
I'm not taking lessons from a fucking imposter.

>>19013344
he has a really wet nasty lisp that creeps in sometimes

>>19013033
49, probably would have gotten a little higher since someone interrupted during one of the questions.
I have a 80% retention in Anki though.

What's the most stupid question you've ever asked on /djt/?

>>19013361
Can I learn japanese

>>19013361
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as /djt/, is in fact, DJT, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, OJT.

>>19013033
>38
I guess I'm average.

>>19013374
my 肉棒 would like to interject with your 眼孔

>>19013033
I got a 40. I feel like such a brainlet now.

>>19013403
I feel like most who scored below 43 just aren't concentrating enough because there is no way in hell you're less competent than I am.

>>19013374
Here's a (you) for the effort.

>>19013403
epic memory test tip: just scream the symbols out (use your epic skills heisig heika taught you) as loud as you can as they appear and then say them again from the beginning

>>19013430
With this knowledge I can now learn Japanese.

What to listen while reading Japanese?

>0-3
Filosofem
>4-6
Memphis Rap
>7-9
Ki-Oku
>0
Chopin

>>19013477
kokujin tensai

>>19013468
わたしそこまで言ってないんすけど

>>19013033
I had to skip a lot of the number/letter combinations because I couldn't easily read them (even after adjusting my browser up to 200%). I'm sure that has a huge effect. So, if I were to make a suggestion on increasing accuracy of measurement for data collection purposes, it would be to address the size/resolution of the graphics.

>>19013505
>So, if I were to make a suggestion on increasing accuracy of measurement for data collection purposes, it would be to address the size/resolution of the graphics.
Who the fuck are you talking to

>>19013510
that is a comment from that website.

>>19013510
If I were you, I'd kill myself.

みんな元気¿

>>19013549
うぴょ

>>19013549
怖いよ！

変な女の子だね

でも、　今は元気すぎる

>>19013549
¡アイカランバ!

Reminder that you need to learn Chinese if you ever want a full understanding of kanji and tones in Japanese.

TIL: theres no direct translation in english for 確認

>>19013594
Good thing I started learning Chinese via doujinshi the other day. Just like how I started with Japanese!

>>19013595
There are several.

>>19013594
there are no tones in nihongo

can someone help me with this error when i try to open anki

>>19013618
やりたくなければやめましょう。

>>19013599
t. clueless gaijin

>>19013622
適当に生きましょうよ

>>19013618
あなたのパソコンは自閉症です

っつーべ

>>19013640
キミのアタマのほうがもっと精神病っぽいパソコンだけど

>>19013033
53 while slightly intoxicated here. However I don't feel like my memory is that great. I lowered my new cards in Anki to 10 a day since I was spending more than an hour a day on 20.

However this kind of makes me suspect even stronger that I don't have that great memory but the rest of the world is just incredibly stupid.

>>19013033

>>19013033
I got 26, I thought the ones with small numbers were broken and ignored them, should I redo it?

>>19013678
>I don't have that great memory but the rest of the world is just incredibly stupid.
You drink ethanol voluntarily and call the rest of the world stupid?

>>19013842
*tips fedora*

>>19013842
I know I'm kinda stupid. However if my score is way above the average score than the rest of the world must be more stupid hence I called the average human incredibly stupid if this is any metric to go by.

I know it's too hard for me, I keep telling myself I will stop reading it after those lines, yet I'm still reading it and I can't stop

>>19013866
dont worry dude calling stuff stupid is making you look more intelligent by the second

>>19013872
Don't worry about that. I'm not that intelligent to begin with. Maybe you're a really smart person, if so go celebrate it. However I'm concerned that the average human might be more stupid then me which concerns me.

>>19013880
intelligence and short term memory are pretty unrelated though i think

also it doesnt matter if someones a genius or if theyre retarded if the people around them dont understand them because both will look the same in a lot of ways

>>19013880
Why do you think a memory test has any validation of a persons IQ? Are you really that stupid?

>>19013889
Digit recall is a part of IQ tests. Why wouldn't symbol recall relate to it? No one is saying it's anywhere near a perfect predictor, but to assume it has "no" predictive power? Come on.

>implying scoring high on an IQ test makes you more intelligent than someone who scored lower
>implying it does anything except prove you're good at IQ tests designed by "psychologists"

>>19013889
I already said I'm a dekinai so I won't defend that part. It's just like >>19013901 said that it could possibly mean something along the lines that the average person could potentially be a bigger dekinai then me.

However we might as well stop this pointless discussion since it would make us stupid enough to distract us of our precious 日本語 studying time.

>>19013935
t. 80 IQ brainlet

>>19013935
>implying it does anything except prove you're good at IQ tests designed by "psychologists"
Absolutely not true and it's sad how proudly ignorant people are about this subject. Intelligence research is far more rigorous than the layperson gives it credit for. Look up Stuart Richie and Richard Haier's thoughts on IQ. Both are intelligence researchers and the latter owns the most prestigious journal that deals with intelligence research. This isn't really the thread to talk about this so you should defer to them.

>>19013033
Got 49. I feel like I have pretty good memory when using flashcards and remembering computer stuff.

>>19013953
>owns
heads*

>>19012013
>>19012027
useless

this one goes out to all my smart dumb autistic schizophrenic and of sound mind friends in \djt/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMpB6NosM3Y

>>19013988
Rap is not music. Kill yourself.

>>19014000
give it a rest you cant win against me

>>19013033
Some of the symbols didn't work properly but got a better score than I thought I would. Was expecting a below average score

>>19014061
yea well hes also fuckin dead shows how much of a winner he was

>>19014489
>sensei
heh i thought japanese was hard?

>>19014489
先生のディス力で草

>>19014489
more words please

>>19014061
This is just something high IQ people say because they want to think their success is down to hard work and not a genetic advantage. The truth is Stephen Hawking would have been a nobody had his IQ been less than 145.

Others might disagree and you all can make up your own minds, but I personally think learning Kanji is essential. They take time to learn at first, but repay you dividends later on when you accumulate vocabulary basically without thinking, passively, by reading or watching subtitled shows. Plus, any resource you'll use past the beginner stage will require kanji.. meaning if you don't learn them, you can't use these resources, and gimp yourself down the road. They're incredibly logical and like legos.

>in the very midst of the weekend
>thread is dead and has been for hours
And you have the brazenness to tell people to go to /int/.

>>19014785
You don't even need to learn how to read at all

>>19014793
Then how are you supposed to do really quick, dirty, garbage translations for Doujins and other shit for people on 4chan whom you sympathize with?

>>19014785
hanguls are like legos kanji are definitely not

>>19014791
God I wish that were me.

is this good enough to learn jp?

>>19014489
is the kid calling out the teachers bullshit because even though japanese is a high contextual based language, he should know what he means?

>>19011899
Is the DJT library going to be updated soon?

>>19014849
>自閉症

>>19014849
>Sensei, toilet!
>Your sensei is not a toilet.
>Long rant about context sensitive pragmatics in a high context language
>Long rant about interpersonal communication

i just wanna fuck the sensei

I just wanna use the sensei as a toilet

fuckin same

>>19014876
Probably a little update, I haven't been getting many new books from my group lately. It's all dependent on a very small number of people.

make with the free stuff dude thats all this threads good for : )

>>19011899
Where do I find raw JP ebooks? I'm a poorfag and perfectdark did not have the ones I was looking for.

>>19015289
ask someone to buy them for you
japanese ebook piracy is a thing of dread

>>19015293
>japanese ebook piracy is a thing of dread

Fair enough. I figured if people were willing to scan and upload they'd do ebooks to since it's significantly less labor. Might just work with what I can find then.

>>19013033
Am I jouzu yet?

>>19015320
yea dude

>>19015320
Short-term memory is a meme, you're still fucked.

>>19015459
My 88% Anki retention says otherwise. B)

everyones fuckin all good dude

>>19013033
I got 41, not very surprised.

>>19014751
You realize he may have a low IQ just like Richard Feynman, right?

>tons of anecdotes of people finishing decks like Core2k but being unable to recognize the memorized words within the context of actual writing
then what's the point

>>19015513
I recognized them just fine. You just need to read in conjunction with Anki.

>>19015513
Autists that like to have scores and progress like their Mario games.

Just read and mine sentences.

>>19015535
>mine sentences
Don't do this.

nevermind everyones not fuckin all good dude

>>19015535
Sentences require even more time in Anki. No doubt they work to some extent. But you'll end up a flashcard slave like Matt, spending your days grinding Anki in the school bathroom and needing to meditate an hour a day just to stave off the immense pain of learning Japanese. You can choose to start balding at 21 from stress or you can choose vocabulary cards.

>>19015575
Rattata, I choose you!

retartta わたしはゲイ

>>19015575
wtf you'd have to be literally retarded to think a sentence takes more time. You mean the extra 5 seconds to write out the card the first time or...?

>>19011916
なんだろこれ

獏もなー

ってかいてあるのかなあ

あたしにもよくわからないよ

>>19015605
you don't know japanese

>>19015513
Core2k works best after 10000 hours of anime

>>19015615
Not to be confused with 10000 sentences, which has never worked for anyone

>>19015618
(except for those it did who now need to read books from the 1800s just to find new words)

if you watch this 1000 times you will be ready for 2000 flashcards guaranteed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QSfebF5dRQ

>>19015575
Wrong. Either use rikaisama sentence feature or import the words you add that day to epwing2anki and have it generate any number of sentences for you.

>>19015634
anon
10000 sentences is literally not even three hours of reading

>>19015672
but you cant read 10000 sentences until you watch 10000 hours of portuguese subtituladoed anime and then do 2000 flashcards

>>19015605
>>19015649
You might be able to automate the card creation process but reading a bunch of words will always take longer than reading a single word. That's why you don't see sentence card people with 20K cards (does even Matt have that much) and they tend to recommend a low number of new cards per day like 15.

>>19015678
i've read far more than 10000 sentences and haven't don any of that

>>19015685
were trying to create the new fuckin progression here just play along dude

>>19015689
the only progression is reading

>>19015690
This is the only path.

My whole life was Unlimited Fictional Works.

>>19015690
but where do you learn the chinese house drawings in order to read them

>>19015699
by looking them up when you need to

>>19015703
but then youre just identifying and then reading english arent you

>>19015705
yeah at first but it goes away faster than flashcards do lol

>>19015710
i dont doubt that for a second lol

>>19015713
it's faster but less efficient because you won't retain shit lol

>>19015730
honestly reading is the only way to actually retain anything

>>19015732
i have no idea. i pull things out of my ass to see which side's reasoning makes more sense or is more believable.

>>19015733
spaced repetition (anki) is a way to minimize the amount of time spent on not forgetting a set number of things

real usage/experience is how you actually get good at it

The only way to become proficient at language learning is to expose yourself to new content. It is about input, not output. The extent to which that input is interesting will determine how likely you are to stay motivated. Flash cards are boring. Read content at LingQ. Sign up now.

but if you cant ever summarize or think through things in japanese terms you dont actually understand what youre reading

final

I'm barely in the hiragana learning stage so, sorry for the noob question. Now while I'm casually reading something I force myself to try to catch the onomatopoeias as a help for memory. In this page I have a problem. I get the がばあ (simbol?),

I check for がば GABA and:
(1) *grabs* *glomps*;
(2) *suddenly*;
(3) *jumps*;
(4) *rising*;
(5) *hug*

Which make sense but I didnt find anything searching がばあ as a whole, what I'm missing exactly?

>>19015762
10000 hours of anime is mostly what youre missing here [non joke]

todays nihongo word of the day is 訃音

check back tomorrow for the next nihongo word of the day

>>19015809
useless

>>19015833
its like you almost get it

Does sarcasm exist in Japanese?

Do you guys believe that to improve via reading you have to constantly be reading things above your level? Doesn't this go against the idea of 'read 5+ moege before anything else' since all moege is virtually the same difficulty?

>>19015856
sure does it just mostly works in a different sense traditionally from what youre used to

>>19015865
above your level yes greatly above your level to the point where youre back to deciphering instead of reading no

>>19015865
It'll probably take you at least 5 moege to get to the point where moege is not above your difficulty level.

>>19015856
ありえないな

>>19015865
even moe hentai games have high brow shit in them sometimes

dont get lulled into a false sense of security just because the girls make moe bitch noises instead of converse

if you start underestimating moe youre fucked

I'm drowning, I'm a failure, I can't learn Japanese

>>19015924
yep but you can change all that its a simple choice >>19015474

Hey is Tae Kim good enough for grammar or are the Dictionary books required?

>>19012818
>>19012908
>>19012973
>>19012993
>>19013022
>>19013324
>>19015762
Cool posts but manga isn't reading.

>>19015943
you don't know japanese

>>19015943
you got brain problems

>>19015872
at what point is deciphering instead of reading?

>>19015959
Yeah it's too strong.

Without lowercase-kun this thread has no meaning or use, wonder what kind of 貢物 we should bring him to keep him here

>>19015966
when you cant read

>>19016003
あっちゃー

We need a guide on how to acquire amphetamines

smoke cannabis instead for epic win

>>19014803
hanguls is like legos for 3 year olds (or retards)
t. resident hangul hater

>>19015966
When you will try to read any rail soft's visual novel.

>>19016401
this will is unnecessary and renders the sentence's temporal aspect malformed
basically you can't use "when" with "will"; "will" asserts a realis event, "when" implies an irrealis statement, to use them together they have to be referring to different times like "When you will be ready to go home soon" where "when" refers to a future present at which you may not be ready to go home but "will" refers to an even further future point where you will

>>19011916
わかった

これ

ＫＢＴＩＴのどーじんじゃない？

>一護もなー

ってかきたかったんだけど

ごんべんまちがえてけものへんにしたんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

Is it easier to get a job if I know Japanese, or if I know programming?

Should I do both?

>>19016855
しごとのことはわかんないけど

にほんでしごとするなら

にほんごいがいはほとんどつうじないよ

>>19016855
??????????????????

Programming obviously. Knowing Japanese isn't an applicable skill in and of itself like programming is. At best it's of a supplemental nature and even then you'd really have to look hard to find a job opportunity where you could take advantage of it.

>inb4 reddit

>>19016855
>Should I do both?
yea
use that noggin and activate some almonds

>>19016874
But I feel like nobody will hire me without tons of experience in the field or all kinds of open source projects I can show them I did or something...

It's hard, maybe I should have taken internships or something when I was still in school. Now it's been almost 4 years and I feel like nobody will hire me unless I know Japanese too.

>>19016882
>I feel like nobody will hire me unless I know Japanese too.
Stop trolling

>>19016892
Yeah ok to be honest I just threw that last part on there because I realized maybe this is straying a bit far from the topic...

>>19016855
Nobody needs someone who just "know Japanese". If you're in USA there's enough Japanese Americans around to fill the slots, otherwise nobody cares. The only solid reason to learn Japanese is to masturbate to porn games, everything else is bullshit.

>>19016934
>The only solid reason to learn Japanese is to masturbate to porn games, everything else is bullshit.
going on my grave

>>19016934
>not learning Japanese to be an autistic J-vlogger

I recently read a handful of doujin by some artist, and I wanted to tell them how good I thought they were and ask them a question. But my Japanese isn't great, would anyone mind double checking this?

こんにちは、 [name]さん。 [name]さんが描いた 船乗りの恋人、4冊全て持っています。本当に素晴らしいマンガですね。絵もすごく綺麗で、感動します。善子と梨子、二人の物語の続きを描くお考えはありますでしょうか。[name]さんの物語の中で二人がどうやって一緒になるか、本当に見てみたいです。

today's　母の日 and so I checked some related vocab, and what the hell does that mean:
>親子丼
>2. sexual relationship with both a mother and daughter​

is this some hentai jargon?

>>19015924
throw away the vocab deck and start mining sentences, I had 20% of the Core deck reviewed within 2 weeks but I got rid of it anyway, because I don't see it as a sensible way to learn any Japanese
reason: it's too out of context

>>19017154
Mining sentences is a meme. If you read more than an hour per day, it provides you with enough context not to bother with sentences.

>>19017140
What kind of woods are you living in? Next thing you ask is what 中出し is?

>>19017161
people who actually learnt Japanese prove you wrong, but I will stop at that not to start a shitshow
also inb4 they learnt Japanese DESPITE it, not because of it rhetoric - yeah duh, if bare vocab makes you bored and sentences are more interesting to you then that shit kept you going and was pivotal to you learning the language

>>19017154
How do you mine sentences at ~700 words? There would surely be a lot more than 1 word you don't understand in each sentence. How do you infer meaning from context if that's the case?

>>19017182
you gotta look for them in right places, comments on YouTube are good for that
you need 1 word, 2 unknown is too much as you said
700 is not a lot but it's a solid base and you should find something out there provided you know the fundamental grammar

So I've been learning Japanese for over 2 years now, but I never really used Anki. I always got so busy with other things that I ended up forgetting to use it after a few day.

Well now I've got a lot more free time, so I'd like to try using it, but I have no idea how to use other people's decks or which deck to use. Since I've been learning for over 2 years I'd really rather not start at level 0 decks.

Also, if I use an existing deck can I add my own words to it? I always write down new words I encounter so I think Anki would be a good place to put them.

>>19017206
you can add words
read the guide in the OP - everything is explained there

how good is your Japanese after 2 years? some people are fluent by then, some cannot understand shit and haven't read a single novel

>>19017206
This is another Reddit repost, isn't it?

>>19017217
ask him

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/8j29bs/setting_up_anki_if_youre_not_a_beginner/

おふろはいってきた

ふやけた

>>19015289
what are you after?

ふやけた

えいごでいうと

slimy

つうじる？

>>19017429
soaked throughやsoddenと思う
だが指やつま先とかのふやけたことはたいていpruneyというんだ

>>19017001
文法の誤りも不自然な表現もないと思います。

>>19017482
ぷるーにー

おぼえた

I've been having some issues making anki play the audio provided by yomichan. Is there any fix to this?

>>19017718
Thank you for the detailed report, I'll get one of the devs working on it right away.

>>19017718
I don't even bother with yomichan, my mined words have no sound.

>>19017836
I get it, I'll elaborate. The audio field in Anki says there's an audio file there but no sound is coming out. I've tried with other decks like 2k and that works no problem. I've also tried pulling audio from different sources with yomichan but still no luck. The audio works fine within the yomichan addon as well, its only when you transfer it to anki that it fails.

>>19017904
Have you perhaps verified if the file exists?

>>19016934
>Nobody needs someone who just "know Japanese"
Isn't there commission work to be done?

>>19017965
Yeah I checked in appdata. It's still and not corrupt.

I've been screwing around with JIS X 0213 and made myself a visualization of all the kanji included in it (sorted by KangXi radicals Unicode spec and, when null, the Adobe Japan Unicode spec, the first C variant), so I may just as well share it with you people. Maybe someone will find it useful.

https://a.uguu.se/FtFjp6mDQNaa_jisx0213.html
(be sure to save it if you want to keep it, uguu links disappear after a day)

So, the dark kanji are the JIS X 0208 Level 1 (the absolute must for people doing any serious reading), the red ones are the JIS X 0208 Level 2 (you should at least recognize them, they make reading edgy and chuuni material easier) and the light gray ones are the JIS X 0213 Level 3 (technical characters e.g. radical parts, compatibility variants, some advanced kanji for freaks). Pic related is which ones 装甲悪鬼村正 contains, if you were ever curious (notice no Level 3).

started kanji with anki core 2k/6k , already feel like a brainlet. I have to redo every kanji 10/15 times before I remember it.

>>19013033
A few times it went too fast for me and I think I messed up, but this seems to be a good score.

>>19017978
Anything on stout or sterr?

>>19018076
It gets better dude, I started off that way as well. Your brain gets really good at recognizing patterns after a while.

Where can I find a good list with all Japanese auxiliary verbs? The ones I found were not exhaustive.

>>19018076
Do some kanji study on the side. I find that learning radicals really helped get me over that initial difficulty curve.
Don't stop doing core though.

>>19018134
Yeah after roughly a year lmao

>>19018145
Sounds like you're a brainlet Anon, it got significantly better for me after a month.

>>19018076
I have to redo it more than 10/15 times and I scored 42 on that memory test.

>>19018166
>42
sorry buddy most people here scored 50+
this is the big boy club, maybe you should head to /int/ until you get gud

>>19018076
After 4 months I still mix up 下る, 下がる　and counters like 一つetc
And i had 51 on that test

>>19018171
>sorry buddy most people here scored 50+
That's the point. I'm not gonna make it. But I'm staying because fuck it.

>>19018182
>I'm not gonna make it.
If the lowercase shitposter who listens to bad japanese rap made it, you can make it too. Always remember that.

Can I start reading without having finished TK? I feel like it's pointless to continue with no context to cement any of this shit. I'm not remembering anything anyways. I'm about halfway through the essential grammar part.

>>19018250
Yes. Go back to it when you don't get something (the particles are usually in the TOC, so you should have no problems finding it). If it overwhelms you, review the basic grammar and read the whole essential grammar - try again after that.

>>19018250
That's what I did, do what you want reading is always fine.
You will come across the rest of essential grammar in your reading all the time so it's up to you.

>>19013033
53 here

>>19013033
It goes too slow.
I got bored around set 15 and couldn't finish.
Gave up.

>>19017987
https://kanji.neocities.org/subete.html
is that page also your work?

>>19013030
>now point me where I can buy high digital manga without retarded drms
amazon and rakuten

>>19013042
most ebook are of high quality
sorry you are ignorant but still of want to comment

Should I buy genki or should I just use the pdf?

>>19018541
They're not.

>>19018629
>should I (...) genki
no

minna genki?

>>19018669
yes

>>19018629
>should I pay for something I could get for free
It's absolutely baffling how some people haven't a drop of frugality. This goes against basic human nature.

its more satisfying to obtain something by proper means as opposed to stealing it

>>19018541
Thanks to them literally giving them away for free, I literally "own" over 300 volumes of manga on kindle, and I'd own them for real if I downloaded them all and stripped the DRM instead of doing a random sampling.

The overwhelming majority of them are below 300dpi. It correlates a little with age, but not much - newer stuff just increases the highest resolution you find, the normal resolution is still like 175~180dpi (1280 pixels tall for the Japanese B6 sized paper manga volumes are typically printed on).

300dpi is the absolute bare minimum that you should consider for a bitmap of manga to be seen as "normal quality", let alone high quality.

The only way for me to get high quality manga is to buy it and ship it overseas.

>>19018726
And no, this isn't some special exception for the stuff they give away for free. These are the exact same versions they sell. And from the overwhelming majority of publishers, rakuten and amazon get exactly the same files.

https://www.amazon.co.jp/かくしごと（１）-月刊少年マガジンコミックス-久米田康治-ebook/dp/B01GRDKGZW/

This is a major and recent manga and its digital version is fucking 1024 pixels tall.

>>19018757
I already ranted about this here. I'll spare you me dumping pages from several series again.

>>/jp/thread/S18923519#p18929587

By the way 梅衣堂ひよと旦那様の野望 is wonderful, and I recommend it based on the first chapter because my I refuse to buy such a low resolution version of it and haven't set aside the money to pay for shipping yet.

>>19018757
im sure more pixels are gonna make that look way better lol

high quality manga is an oxymoron

>>19018766
Holy hell. How does something like that get okay'd?

>>19018779
Same.

what is the backwards ノ after 嬉

>>19018824
し

What is the purpose of JLPT N5 and N4 ?
Why would you need a written certificate (which could be quite expensive), stating that you know some basic Japanese?
Doesn't every job in Japan require N1?

>>19018832
that's such a bad font even if it seems obvious I don't believe it

>>19018824
>嬉＊そう
>うれ＊そう
What could that be? Goddamit anon.

>>19018836
People taking Japanese classes at University I'm assuming.

>>19018842
I can confirm it's し.

You get used to it. Until then you should read something that doesn't stray into weird fonts.

>>19018836
What's the point of N2-5? If you're going to learn, at least learn properly.

>>19018842
its obvious because it cant be anything else anyway

>>19018836
Autists love to pass tests, and they yield profit. So why not.

>>19018836
the truth is that N3, N2 and N1 certificates exist solely for kneehonjeans, guyjeans can't even get to N4

>>19018855
Stop trying to contribute.

>>19018864
stop posting in general

>>19018865
You're the one with problems, dude.

>>19018865
It's a daily thread, not a general :^)

>>19018873
im a nice guy youre the one being a poop boy

>>19018879
: ]

>>19018541
Show me some examples of your "high quality" ebooks.
I consider x1800 to be bare minimum resolution, I could accept it for stuff magazines or individual chapters. Tanks should be at the very least be x2600.

>>19018779
Is this really a legit rip? The first volume looks much better, even if is only x1536.

>>19018900
You can get away with ~2150px tall for volume rips, but they have to be scanned at a higher resolution and scaled down with a good scaler.

>>19018900
>Is this really a legit rip? The first volume looks much better, even if is only x1536.
Most likely. In fact, I think I got it off someone putting it up on a mega along with ひとりぼっちの〇〇〇生活第４巻

After 103 days of learning I have finished the RTK deck (the one that has words).
I was curious so I took a look at the N5 guide,
The 80 kanji were ok, but for some reason they also expect you to know words like 映画館 when the kanji that form them are not on the list?

>>19018757
Damn, I thought I knew the box kanji, should've guessed there's 5 other iterations of it...

>>19019069
lmao

Car: japanese
The dolls: rtk users, anki users, manga readers, reddit posters (add your favourite group to hate here)

>>19019091
my associates and i are the 運転手

>>19018519
Nope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgRte6oSoF8

>>19019246
>open this
>skip ahead
>says something objectively wrong about KKLC
>close this

>when you know more than 5k kanjis and you see a new kanji in the first line of the novel
Says no uta is really repulsive.

>>19019246

>>19019246
that videos only useful if you mute it and see if you know all the kanjis that are being painted : ]

>>19019281
what wrong with matt

>>19019299
you'll know when you grow up kid

>>19019299
he poopy white boy with no hair that try to sound smart from his bedroom that have manga on the wall lol

>>19019299
he took a very long time to reach a questionable fluency in japanese

>>19019308
>>19019296
Can you please just fuck off already?

>white dude fluent in Japanese that calmly explains the strengths and weaknesses of the various approaches to learning Japanese, while addressing the common criticisms toward RTK
>anonymous nobodies with memes
I wonder who should be trusted.