/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>19002372
仏頂面

>>19002386
I feel cool having been able to recognize this word at a glance.

>>19002390
健忘

can anyone post that 'what is written on the grave' post + picture?

How did the previous thread die in 11 hours?

輪奐 reminder that you shouldn't translate anything when you don't know a word like "edifice"

>>19002413
No clue, random spike of activity in /jp/?

>>19002438
それ

つかわないよ

つかったことない

>>19002461
めっちゃ稀な単語でしょ

>do RTK
>mature retention drops radically because I analyze radicals more tediously and the old words look new

gee thanks fags

>>19002493
Same shit happened to me, it's for the best anon.

>>19002493
>drops radically

>>19002493
stopped reading at
>RTK

>>19002483
にほんじんにつかっても

つうじないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>19002517
性欲ですね

>>19002548
ふぁー

というかにほん

あきちがう

つゆ

>>19002493
>the old words look new
You're just noticing new details, anon.
Instead of just seeing a patch of grass your now seeing individual blades of Santa Ana Couch. It's natural to get a bit overwhelmed but in the long run you'll be far better off than someone who'll be unable to read as soon as there's a font change.

>>19002645
>than someone who'll be unable to read as soon as there's a font change.
I never did RTK and don't struggle with font changes

>>19002386
一見「即身仏」に見えてもうた

When I'm done with the N5-N1 kanji, should I actively study the other 4000? From what I've gathered they aren't commonly used or am I wrong?

>>19002645
>you'll be far better off than someone who'll be unable to read as soon as there's a font change.
Sure bro whatever you say to try to justify RTK.

>>19002747
You only need to know 1945 kanji, the government requires everything to be written in Joyo-kanzi

>>19002718
ＢｕｄｄｈａとＢｕｋｋａｋｅをまちがえたようなもの

>>19002747
Focus on listening and natural conversation instead
Kanji won't do jackshit if you act like a deer in headlights when you need to speak and you mentally flip through all the kanji you memorised

>浪漫

>>19002904
i did this exclusively and now i can only understand spoken japanese and works featuring furigana

a dangerous path it is

>>19002904
Why would you need to speak to consume media?

>>19002904
You seem to be in the wrong thread.

>>19002939
if you're incapable of production you're also incapable of telling good prose from shitty prose

the human with full japanese comprehension but no production capability is a myth

>>19002948
Not incapable, you just can't always do it. It's true that there is no person that can always tell good prose from shitty prose but can't produce, though.

>>19002942
Let's remember to not be an elitist to fellow learners.Everyone is at different stages and improve at different rates. I've seen lots of stories hea here about being put down from friends about the interest in learning and people who keep it to themselves for that reason. It would be even more discouraging to be put down by those who should be your peers.

>>19002964
if you cant produce you cant read and comprehend japanese in japanese terms because you cant think in japanese

thats how it works dude sorry

>>19003043
That's not what you said. Even an N3 can tell that a bad narou story has worse prose than the typical commercial visual novel.

>>19003043
にほんごでかんがえながら

えいごでしゃべるなんて

あたしにはむり

ばかなあたしだからむりなのかもしれない

>>19003045
i wasnt that guy i just wanted to say that because thats where it all starts and any effort is in vain if you never get to that point

>>19003047
I know more Japanese than you.

>>19003050
so what can you do besides tell me that

>>19003058
Read, listen, and speak in Japanese.

>>19003079
so then you understand what im talkin about good job

>>19003088
And that's a lot more than you can do.

あたしのかってなたしざん

あめりか＝ハンバーガー＋ポップコーン＋ライフル

ろしあ＝さけ＋たばこ＋ハッキング

ふらんす＝ワイン＋チーズ＋ナポレオン

にほん＝くるま＋ふろ＋カレー

あのんの

たしざんを

おしえて

>>19003091
that shit doesnt work on me dude come on

>>19003098
No need to get so worked up

>>19003098
You don't know enough Japanese to give the philosophical "advice" you try to give.

>>19003104
>>19003107
then come and get me if you think you stand above

ill always be waiting

>>19003122
Calm down, its pretty obvious how inferior you are

>>19003133
if i was inferior you wouldnt be bothering with me like you are now lol show your supriority by graciously giving me the last word in your lil pissin contest lmao

>>19003149
>lmao
>lol
Brainlet newfag spotted.

does posting and reading posts here count as studying japanese?

Please don't make jamal cry, its not funny

>>19003160
No
Also forced production isn't real practice, production can only be practice if it comes natural to you

>>19003159
>newfag
You do realize you're talking with Lowercase-Kun, right?

>>19003160
Reading anything lowercase-kun posts actually diminishes your knowledge of Japanese so that'd be a no my friend.

dont worship me all at once

Nice boogeyman idiots.

>>19003170
So basically, the day he gets a trip is the day he becomes a real nihongo ninja teacher?

>>19003179
にんにん

あたしにんじゃじゃないよ

>>19003202
>あたし
fag

>>19003204
あたし

きょうから

あしたまで

くのいち

>>19003209
新宿2丁目に行くの？

>>19003209
>くのいち
まぁいいや

>>19003209
あらためてよろしくー

>>19003221
いぶきは

くのいちにはいるの？

>>19003222
にんにん

Dont ruin the thread like the last one please.

I mastered the japanese!

>>19003293

What do you guys do for leeches in Anki? Do you just put them back into the deck or something else?

>>19003279
english isn't japanese

>>19003313
I don't do anything with them. Just leave them in the deck

>>19003221
>まぁいいや
what the fuck does this mean? write japanese you niggere

>>19003375
What the fuck is wrong with you?

くのいちって

なにたべたらいいんだろ

おだんごとか？

>>19003381
WHY CAN*T YOU WRITE FUCKING PROPER JAPANESE YOU WHITE TRASH

>>19003404
your dumb

>>19003389
親子丼

>>19003375
>>19003404
悪いこと言っちゃダメッ

>>19003404
ほんまアカンやつやで

>>19003418
どっちのおやこどん？

that's it i'm fucking leaving this general after 9 months I can't stand you fucking hiragana nigger cucks any longer

don't bother replying i'm taking this off my thread watcher

nigger faggot basedboys

>>19003452
色ボケ

>>19003389
リアルニンジャのおにくでつくったジャーキー

>>19003456
Wow, you sure changed your mind faced there bucko.

>>19003469
*fast

>>19003456
so long and thanks for all the laughs

what happened? i went to clean up the house and when i came back anon deleted his posts.

>>19003485
looks like you cleaned up djt too

so who wants to compare toefl scores

>>19003485
>someone makes abhorrent posts
>posts get deleted
>"it was surely him and not the jannies!"

you might be dumber than him

then how do you explain the entire previous thread

>>19003552
>implying janitors even look at these threads after what happened yesterday
Sure, I believe in the tooth fairy too.

When is 節 read as ふし and when is it read as せつ?

For example what is it in
>あいつの希望を壊す身として、話を通すのが節であろうと。

>learning japanese
>going at it super hard
>making some real progress
>get above learned 1000 words in core 2k
>between the reading and reps each day I finally just need a break so I take a day off
>a day turns into a week
>try to do reps and get like 10 in a row wrong and it looks gibberish and say fuck it I'll come back to it later
>end up going a literal month without doing reps
>internet goes out today so I have nothing else I can do
>internet comes back up about an hour in but fuck it, lets just get that shit done
>3 hours of grinding later I finally finish
tfw don't know whether to be ashamed that I recalled so little, or glad that I finally got myself to do reps and hopefully get back on track for my routine
Either way I'm not looking forward to at least a 2 hour session tomorrow ; ;

>>19003626
よくみて

筋だよ

>>19003669
Just try not to skip any more days, that shit's a slipperly slope as you could see

>>19003669
Hey very similar to mine! I did 399 new though. Just make sure to read every day even if you don't do new cards in anki and you should be fine. Reviews are very important so make sure to do them but you can make up any skipped days of new cards by just doing a shitload at once.

Do them!

A day off means "no new cards", you can't skip reps

>start doing reps
>can't remember first 5 cards in a row
>just know it's going to be a shit session
Love this so very much t b q h

>>19003866
>you can't skip reps
don't tell me what to do

How many NEETs in here have spent 4+ hours every day practicing their Japanese?

How to pronounce う in godan verbs when it's preceded by an お-syllable?
I've only found something about that on imabi and the guy contradicted himself by transliterating 問う as "tō".

>>19004097
Pronounce them individually.
Just highlight 問う and play the audio with yomichan or whatever you use.

>>19004097
問う
to-u
問おう
to-oo

>>19004011
I spend around 102 minutes doing Anki reps for RTK, i'm writing kanji by hand each time i'm shown a card and i'm faily slow and i'm paying attention to stroke order so it takes me quite a while even if i'm only doing 35 new cards a day. I usually read some manga or do listening practice in the day too but i don't think i spend much more than 3 hours on average a day.

So after reading a grammar guide and doing anki I can go on to reading basic stuff right?

>can feel myself getting better at reading and getting more confidence that I can finally start reading what I want instead of shitty moege

>>19004247
No clue who you are quoting. At least include a picture or a link to the original post.

>>19004245
You can start reading whenever you want. In fact, the earlier the better.

It's so cool, I can feel myself getting better at reading and getting more confidence that I can finally start reading what I want instead of shitty moege.

>>19004247
Holy shit, are you time traveler? How did you know >>19004268 was going to post that

>>19004257
see >>19004268

>>19004263
wrong

>>19004305
you don't know japanese

>>19004321
how did you know wtf

Include me in the screencap.

me too

same

minna genki?

気分が良くない。。。

>>19004446
少し笑った

>>19004446
>Djt has trendy memes

NANNY?

is 70%ish retention good for an avg of 50 new words a day

I'm managing nonetheless but over the past few weeks the numbers of reviews have doubled.

>>19004505
Why not just have 100% retention for 35 words?

>>19004505
no and you shouldn't do that many cards anyways
it's better to cut your anki time into 1/3 of what it is now and just use that time to read instead

Reminder that doing core is not learning Japanese

>>19004520
the reason it's that high is because I'm reading. I pull some from core so I can get it over with daily and then mine from manga I read which often makes it about 70 a day, i averaged to 50 since sometimes I don't read.

I'm at almost exactly 6k words now
>>19004515
if only

>>19004532
Reminder that your argument is fighting the strawman that there are people here that only learn through anki

Today's word of the day is: ノンケ
I recently learned that it can be used to describe women as well. Time to switch to J->J for good it seems.

>>19004533
you don't have to do the cards you mine on the exact same day dumbo. stick to a hard limit of new cards a day and once you're done with that you read for the rest of the day.

I refuse to do more than 10 new words a day 2bh

>>19004502
>NANNY

>>19004502
>NANNY?
made me chuckle more than the pic t b h

My retention already turns to shit if I do 20 new words a day. I will never learn japanese.

>>19004532
But without vocab how you learn??

>>19004570
read more

>>19004556
I'm fucked

>>19004570
learn 20 new words out of a childrens book instead or from watching spanish subtitled anime

>>19004570
Figure out a way to study the new cards that doesn't involve just seeing them the 2 times anki shows them to you after which you're expected to somehow remember them.

>>19004553
There are though.

>>19004602
Are you referring to absolute beginners that would like to have 1000 words under their belt before reading? Cause I haven't seen any people beyond that stage that don't also read.

Beginner to Japanese, already own Japanese from Zero books, but looking for other books to get without the mixed romaji (or no romaji at all). Hopefully that made sense, I started learning Japanese, but I soon got depression and well my language learning stopped. I've gotten better so I want to try again, I still remember most of the kana (though I'm relearning just to be sure) and the 4 kanji I learned. Now, I bought all three JFZ a few years ago, but now that I already know kana and have tried to avoid the romaji (to the point of marking it out in another book that I was given). Unfortunately, I'm not a huge fan of the kana mixed with romanization (it throws me off and I'd rather just have all the kana) and I wanted to know if there were any other good books that would be good for a beginner, but doesn't have all that romaji (or mix of romaji/kana) in it. I know about Genki, but for just one book that is expensive (45 dollars, last time I checked on Amazon), so I'm a bit wary of buying that and it not be that good.

Not sure if this information is needed, but I'm a native English speaker, and I started to learn Japanese for anime, and manga, but now in addition to that, I want to set a goal of working towards the JLPT N5 or 4 (any books that might be good for that would be appreciated too). I'm better at remembering vocabulary and reading, than I am at speaking and grammar (kind of half/half on writing).

>>19004571
Mine sentences

>>19004615
There are people who complete Core 10k before doing any substantial reading.

>>19004629
I'll take you word for it then. Would you agree that they are a small minority though? Criticism of those people is perfectly valid but blanketing it to all people that use anki is some bullshit.

>>19004634
They're doing things so wrong that they each account for as many faults as a hundred people; they deserve to be told.

>>19004245
I'm still not done with the guide, but I've finished 4 chapters of yotsuba. Read the 4th one in under an hour, the first one took me two days because of all the "strange" grammar patterns I didn't understand back then.
It's best to start reading as soon as possible, there's a fuckton of things you will have to get used to.

>>19004629
Pretend I posted that image of the russian chicken that needs a citation

>>19004629
There's core 10k?

I'm still fairly beginner in Japanese, and I'm wondering how I should go about learning Kanji. I was originally planning to wait until the end and save Kanji for last, but I'm afraid that if I do that I won't know exactly what words have what Kanji because of the multiple readings and all that. So is the more ideal option to just learn new words in their Kanji form and learn it like that?

>>19004615
doing anki for 2 hours and reading for 30 minutes doesn't count as doing both. while most people don't solely anki, A TON of people in this thread have a very unbalanced ratio of each. just look at the amount of people posting about how they're doing 25+ new cards a day. these are also the kind of people who are a year into their studies and the only media they've read are a few volumes of yotsubato

surgeon generals warning: flashcards give you epic aids

>>19004645
>>19004644

>>19004618
why does every redditor seem to come back from depression?
>romaji

>>19004652
>optimal ratio of anki/rote memorization and reading
Shouldn't this be stressed more.

I stand corrected. lol

>>19004665
When you introduce yourself you give your name, gender, pronouns, and mental disorders. Get with the times

>>19004661
This can't be fucking real lel. Although

>reddit
>>19004668
The issue is that people don't give any concrete info on how to balance it usually, instead resorting to stuff like >>19004660

>>19004687
heres your concrete info: if you even have to ask do more things that arent flashcards right now

Check out the letter I got from my nip gf.

>>19004700
its baaaaack lmao

>>19004661
> kanji anxiety
> RTK
What the hell is wrong with redditors?

>>19004661
That doesn't say they did 10k without reading anything, just without reading any VNs they enjoyed. Which is still dumb, but isn't what you claimed. Also
>I've never seen a grammar that would stumble me

>>19004700
It says she's leaving you for Chad Thundercock

>>19004700
At least change the fucking filename, Jesus. Are you faggots even trying anymore?

>>19004713
>>19004721
somehow i think these two things are related..

>>19004721
You don't know Japanese.

>>19004728
And you don't know women.

>>19004726
why would you change the filename on something youre clearly posting ironically as a joke at the thing itself and youre posting it for people that already know

let me guess.. esl

>>19004668
>>19004687
just tune your anki in a way (new cards) so that you only spent about 10-20 minutes on it. maximum of 30 minutes, though in my opinion that is already too much. the rest of the day you just read things you enjoy, though if you want a goal i'd put 2 hours as a minimum.

t. guy who did 5-15 minutes of anki and 2-6 hours of reading every single day for over a year, dropped anki and now at the 2 year mark i can read most things i want with little to no difficulties (and the things i want to read are probably quite a bit more verbose than most people in this thread are interested in, so you'll get there for the things you want to read much quicker)

>>19004700
Looks like the opening CG for a mid budget NTR VN

>>19004732
How dare you say that? Asian women aren't like, trust me, I know these things.

>>19004745
yeah a ntr where your girlfriend is actually a guy and your girlfriend is actually you

>>19004763
If your right hand is your gf, then would jacking off a guy be cuckolding or gay?

>>19004733
> let me guess.. esl
Yes. But I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Being an ESL student doesn't prevent you from understanding irony. Well, at least for European ESLs that's true, our grammar and colloquial expressions may be different, but the way we think is the same.

English as a Third Language here.

>>19004832
Germans don't have a sense of humor

>>19004840
Not laughing at toilet jokes and slapstick comedy is not the same as not having a sense of humor.
You Americans are just retards. Quality American humor died with George Carlin.

>>19004837
don't capitalize third language

>replying unironically to lowercase-kun
When will they learn?

>>19004861
Thank

Trilingual masterrace here t b q h

>>19004856
>Carlin
>swearing a lot and being condescending is so funny guys
lol

>>19004886
t. Norm Macdonald cockgobbler

>>19004856
You may want to check out r*ddit, they love him there

Is it possible that someone might just...never be able to speak Japanese?

I speak two languages fluently including English and I speak a little Spanish, and I've been trying to learn Japanese while living in Japan.

I've been studying for years, listening to Japanese music for over 10 years and I'm living in Japan for 1 year and a half now. I study everyday and I recently got a job at a cafe/bar the past month where I use keigo but I kind of just go through the motions.

I seem to not be able to get the hang of speaking. I hang out with Japanese friends/my boss and words/sentences just don't come to me. I struggle to speak and communicate anything I want to say. I get stressed and down every single day lately cause I feel like I'm such a failure and that I should be speaking pretty well by now.

I'm thinking MAYBE I just can't get the hang of it, and some people just...can't. Not really sure what else to do about it. Anyone have a similar experience?

>>19004904
Why do so many people try to learn Japanese through music? It seems so unproductive.

>>19004687
>>19004737
Should anki be bothered with period? It sounds like people should reread passages until the words stick.

>>19004886
Still better than anything today's stand-up "comedians" can come up with.
Bo Burnham and that one ginger Australian guy are the only once who could make me chuckle for a split second.

>>19004898
> Everything reddit likes is bad.
You might want to stop breathing, I heard redditors do that all the time.

>>19004911
Why do so many people reply to reddit copypasta? It seems so unproductive.

>>19004904
>I've been studying for years, listening to Japanese music for over 10 years
Made me laugh out loud.
>>19004923
>reddit copypasta
That explains it.

>>19004923
I know its copypasta, but learning Japanese through music seems so common that I had to ask. I've seen it here a few times as well.

>>19004904
Find a girlfriend who doesn't speak good english. Youre then forced to use japanese, and explain things in Japanese. Youll be having fun everyday and using japanese all the time.

>>19004917
>Actual literal cuck humor

Explains a lot

>>19004933
Based finds reddit post and pastes a post from there-kun

>>19004941
>kun

Tachi, actually

>>19004939
I wasn't talking about Louis C.K.
He's ginger, but not Australian. Read posts carefully before replying.

>>19004931
the only music you can learn nihongo through is rap thats why i post it for you guys

>>19004951
I was talking about bo, but that guy is too

>>19004953
based

>>19004953
No, you are posting rap because you are a subhuman.

>嗚呼

>>19004959
Bo?
I can't remember a single cuck joke from Bo Burnham.

>>19004965
嗚呼嗚呼嗚呼嗚呼嗚呼嗚呼

>>19004931
Maybe you should acquire better comprehension before asking shit like that.

>>19004953
Rap isn't music.

>>19004965
today you learned that ああ is actually a word and not just groaning or however it would look in english

congratulations

>>19004978
>ああ translates to "ah"
>An actual word

>>19005039
should have some dude

>>19004965
Good thing you will just about never encounter in your day to day life.

>>19005070
EFL detected

>>19004916
it's preference really. it's definitely not essential, but starting your mornings with 15 minutes of it every day can help you get into the rythmn in your first few months.

>>19004978
お (尾)、え (絵) and い (胃) are actual words, too.

Wow this shit is so fucking archaic.

>>19005070
i've actually encountered it multiple times in WA2 so far, so I wouldn't put it off as you will never see it

>>19005336
Doesn't even my favorite pictogram 目 how disappointing

>>19005336
They haven't advanced past ancient Egypt in terms of writing system...how sad.

>not using a 100% phonetic cyrillic alphabet that a child can learn in an hour

>>19005336
>Pictograph of a car

Those damn Asians sure were smart

How important is learning kanji?
Is it used in most media?

And probably not needed just for conversation right?

>>19005469
No, it is not needed. If you're a bitch, that is. If you wanna learn real nihongo there's no way around it, you need to learn kanji as it's the most essential part of the language. Don't even bother learning hiragana and katakana because it's basically the baby version of the language, and it's equivalent to learning how to read, write and speak from Tommy Pickles. Cut straight to kanji, with the fastest way of learning the basic 3000 that you need to read a simple children's book being to print them all out and copy them by hand (pro tip: tracing them saves some time). Once you've done that, you're probably ready to practice speaking, so just go outside and use all the kanji you learned over the last 2 years (as per the above) by narrating your life as best you can out loud. Film it and review it daily to monitor your sick moon gainz. Lastly, move to Japan and teach English. Good luck, cunt.

>>19005438
уаташи уа гей десу

>>19005485
We should just put this in the OP instead of the guide

一蹴されてしまう

>>19005485
How much protein should I eat per day to maximize moon gains?

>>19005485
>Film it and review it daily to monitor your sick moon gainz. Lastly, move to Japan and teach English. Good luck, cunt.
This shouldn't be this funny

>>19005485
>Don't even bother learning hiragana and katakana
People seem to use hiragana mixed in with Kanji though.

>>19005543
Only the dyels that don't know enough nihongo to communicate purely in kanji.

>>19005543
It's pasta, faggot.

I'm roughly 1400 words learned from core2k, 1100 mature with 300 young and learning. I'm almost done reading tae kims grammar guide as well, i just have the advanced section left to read. Of course, i feel like almost everything i read is not sticking in my head. You guys recommend reading as much as possible to get grammar down, as well as mining vocabulary, but I'm not sure what to read. I want to read VNs, but most of the recommended beginner ones don't seem too appealing to me. Does anyone have some good recommendations with an interesting plot or characters?

>>19005572
Hanahira.

>>19005572
well, what kind of stuff would you be interested in?

Skipping reps is for できないs

>>19005572
If most VNs you can read don't interest try LNs or Manga.

>>19005619
>2100/2100
Honestly impressive. Are you fluent by now?

>>19005520
just swallow instead of spit and you dont gotta worry about it

>>19005696
Define fluent? It it's JLPT, yes, I passed N1 years ago. I can also play all the games and read all the Novels I want to read without bothering to look things up most of the time.
If it's talking to natives, no idea?

>>19005710
cool and good

>>19005710
>If it's talking to natives, no idea?
I understand learning for reading but you've been studying for 6 years and don't know your level of spoken Japanese? You haven't spoken to natives once?

>>19005726
No, why would I need to? This isn't the /int/ thread.

>>19005751
shakin my head that has nothing to do with anything

you literally let 4chan shit stifle your learning of a language intentionally

>>19005751
Fair enough

>>19005619
What's up with the big new card spike during your 14th month? Did you mine that many cards or is that a 10k deck you've added at the time?

>>19005757
I don't think 4chan has anything to do with it?
I don't plan on going to japan, and there is no one around here that would require talking to in japanese.

>>19005768
I think that's when I switched from some version of the Core6k deck to a Core10k deck with a bunch of extra information including Kanji versions of vocab that was Hiragana-only before.
I did some database fuckery to move the review history to the new deck and rescheduled all Core6 to an interval of 1-40 days, then failed everything I didn't recognize (mostly the new Kanji words). That's why there's a huge peak of failed mature cards around that time.

>>19005726
Where would he happen to speak to a native if he hasn't traveled to nipland?

>>19005795
Was it worth it Anon?
Not trying to provoke anything, I'm genuinely interested.

>>19005821
Yes, definitely. Not for anime (because basically everything gets Simulcast releases nowadays), but I've read a bunch of LNs/WNs that would never get a translation and played video games months before their release (already finished with Valkyria Chronicles 4), if they even get a translation at all (the Crossbell Trails games don't even have a localization announcement yet)

>>19005836
Cheers man. Congrats on your progress.

>>19005844
Don't give up and you too will be できる one day. You simply can't fail to learn japanese if you put in some effort every day.

Is there anything like creepypasta in Japanese?

>>19005836
anime getting simulcast doesnt really matter i dont think

theres always been good shit that the english speaking audiences just fucking completely airball on and wind up thinking are terrible when they are actually sick and dope because subtitles just dont cut it

if youre on the other side you should be able to see just how bad the west is at "getting" shit when it comes to consuming their 2d media

棚に上げて
Can someone explain this? Does it mean elevating yourself and oerlooking things?

>>19005866
Yeah, I just turn subtitles off for almost anything I watch nowadays.
This has already led to be being really confused when english watchers discuss things that were never actually said, but got mistranslated.

>>19005871
You're close.

>>19005856
F

>>19005871
棚に上げるとは into google then if you still dont understand come back with what you found

>>19005871
chiebukuro says it's about putting things "out of reach", so you don't have to think of them/deal with them.

https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1214504347

>>19005910
so then does it have the same meaning as "shelfing" something??

>>19005947
I don't think it's used the same way. That chiebukuro link says it's about hiding/ignoring one's own shortcomings and Daijirin (J-J dictionary) says it's "不都合なことには触れずにおく".

>>19005710
>I passed N1 years ago. I can also play all the games and read all the Novels I want to read without bothering to look things up most of the time.
Then why the fuck are you in these threads?

Why do nips use the phrase "high tension" so much
It's so awkward

>>19006014
テンション is used a lot but mostly as in "high spirits" rather than tension.

>>19006014
The whole language is awkward for a westerner.

>>19006014
can't relate sorry

>>19006014
when high tension becomes tension max i do guts pose

>>19006014

>>19006011
To help people that don't seem like completely lost cases. If you're arguing about which learning method is better and why all other methods are shit, it's already too late for you

>>19005614
I haven't read too many VNs before so I'm not entirely sure what ones I'm interested in, the only ones I've read are G Senjou no Maou, the Fate VN, and 1 route of Grisaia no Kajitsu.

I was debating whether or I should start with the Angel Beats VN as I've already seen the anime and have some knowledge of the story. I'm also interested in fantasy/action VNs, but I'm a little concerned that they might be too difficult to start out with.

>>19006067
I should mention that those VNs that I read were in English.

studying in kyoto next semester and am trying to refresh my memory and conversational basics before september. anyone have any app recommendations besides anki for learning on the go?

>>19006137
>conversational

I just saw this sentence in Anki for the 2k/6k deck and I'm confused on the grammar structure.

今日は妻と二人で食事をします。

The deck translate the sentence to:
"Today I'm having dinner with my wife, just the two of us".

Why isn't it "Today I'm having dinner with my wife and two other people".

I'm confused on the 妻と二人 part, I thought と acts as a glue and is often interpreted as and?

Thanks.

>>19006045
reveal your secrets on how you conquered 連濁

>>19006149
>Why isn't it
Because that's not what it means, my man.

>>19006153
Tons of audio input (anime, games, VNs, Seiyuu radio shows...). Some words just sound weird if you don't 連濁 them.

>>19006153
Aren't those just basics? If it's easier to say with 連濁, then say it that way.

>>19006162
>Some words just sound weird if you don't 連濁 them
god dammit i knew it was going to be something like not using 'an' properly in english, even though I didn't really know the proper rule for that

>>19006149
>今日は妻と二人で食事をします。
the structure is
今日は----> 食事をします。
妻と-------> 食事をします。
二人で----> 食事をします。
if you want to say "with my wife and two other people",
>今日は妻と他二人(or あと二人)と食事をします。
>今日は妻を含めて四人で食事をします。

>>19006181
>even though I didn't really know the proper rule for that
If a word starts with a vowel = an

>>19006178
Not for me, it makes up most of the failed cards in anki when I'm going to say them.
I know the words meaning, and reading, but the exact 連濁 just falls flat. Only sometimes is it obviously easier to say

>>19006189
Nah I thought that was it too but I corrected a guy on lang8 about it and its a vowel sound

>>19006189
>an herb

>>19006181
There really aren't any universal rules for rendaku other than "If the word is easier to pronounce (fluidly) with rendaku, you should probably use it"

>>19006189
>If a word starts with a vowel SOUND = an
fixed, because english spelling is broken

>>19006191
The whole point of that concept is easy of pronunciation. Next time you come across one such case, think about the movement of your tongue and how awkward it is without rendaku. Alternatively, try saying the word out loud real fast and see what comes out.

>>19006211
Ok I'll try that, good idea

Is there such a thing as a "soft g" in Japanese? Like the audio for 探す in anki sounds more like sagnasu than sagasu to me. If so, should I bother with it as a beginner or not?

>>19006186
>the structure is
今日は----> 食事をします。
妻と-------> 食事をします。
二人で----> 食事をします。

Can you explain this part for me please?

>>19006234
yeah and no

>>19006250
今日は----> 食事をします。
妻と-------> 食事をします。
二人で----> 食事をします。

>>19006199
It's based on phonotactic vowels, not spelled vowels.

>>19006234
?

>>19006186
You could also do something like
妻と友達二人で if there were two other people. (Caution: the で applies to everything, not just the 二人:
[妻と友達二人]で)

>>19004533
>>19004640
You can't "read" manga though.

>>19006362
based

>>19006351
How come I have to specify 2 other people via 他 or 友達 in this context when it comes to 二人? Doesn't the word itself mean 2 people? Just seems confusing to me.

Guys, help me decipher this.
Context: They just ambushed and beat a supposed-to-be strong opponent quite easily

>>19006415
what do you need help with

I dont have anki backed up online.

I am going to change operating systems and want to keep my deck that I have for the next time I download anki on fedora red hat.

Where is my deck in my hard drive so I can just back it up?

>>19006452
>I dont have anki backed up online.
Back it up online. Takes like 5 minutes you lazy shitter.

>>19006458
i dont have any accounts hooked up to it i dont think

>>19006452
AppData\Roaming\Anki2

おはようおにいちゃん

みっしつでなにしてるの？

>>19006459
Then hook one up.

>>19006415
>こいつが一番油断したところで
In the moment that that guy was the least prepared
>現れるのが
we appeared (nomalized)
>一番…
is the most... (assuming 嫌だ or something similar here is omitted).

So:
I hate the fact that we attacked him when he was the least prepared the most

>>19006465
>みっしつでなにしてるの
優秀な効果音を探す

>>19006477
this might actually be the easiest way.

>>19006462
i couldnt even find this even with terminal

>>19006491
>terminal
retard spotted

>>19006404
Japanese is actually perfectly logical there: 人 is a counter, and 二人 means "two people", so what you're doing there is counting the 友達s (compare it to something like 犬二匹 which works exactly the same way).
Xと二人で on the other hand means "[Subject] together with X we/they were two people"

>>19006465
おはよう我が妹よ

ただ君の盗撮でオナニー中

>>19006505
you don't know japanese
二人で means "the two of them together" here, it's not counting the number of 友達

>>19006513
look at the sentence we're talking about
妻と友達二人で DOES mean my wife and two other friends

>>19006490
くんかくんか？

>>19006507
>だた

これがさいしょにくっつくのはにほんごがおかしい

けんこうてき？だね

>>19006502
._. whys that?

>>19006489
>I hate
Where'd that come from?

>>19006545
From guessing the omitted last part of the sentence since you didn't provide more context

>>19006491
Why would somebody as illiterate as you move to linux?

>>19006521
there is no full sentence in this conversation that contains 妻と友達二人で

>>19006545
I'm just following the context and my knowledge of shounen manga tropes to guess that they hated attacking the guy in an underhanded manner since whatever came after 一番 was omitted.

>>19006558
also 妻と友達二人で is nonfluent japanese

>>19006556
why would someone as gay you try to get with japanese women? just admit ya like dick ya fruitcake

>>19006533
>くんか

>>19006489
I'm not sure... The sentence was cut-off mid-way, so it's pretty hard to guess
The one who's speaking is a very old-fashioned honorable girl, but on the other hand she and her friend were planning to ambush the enemy anyway and she came late (out of nowhere to one-hit-KO the enemy). Her partner was like "Why are you so late? You should've came earlier!"
So maybe more like she's waiting until the enemy caught off guard?
This is pretty hard...

>>19006593
Why did you crop the page, just post the full thing

>>19006567
Xと友達二人で is valid and used in actual japanese. Example:
https://onayamifree.com/viewthread/422467/
He's definitely talking about himself and two other people there

>>19006653
It is but it's not fluent to try to use it the way you're saying it can be used.

油断するとやられる

100%確実 : )

力　and　カ　looks 99% the same. What is the purpose of this, and how do I differentiate the Katakana and the Kanji? Context?

>>19006679

>>19006415
How many manga place hiragana next to each kanji? That is really cool.

>>19006679
力ツどん
カツどん

>>19006710
Like half of them, give or take 20%.

>>19006679
It's really unlikely for カ to be on its own without other katakana nearby. It's also really unlikely for 力 to be in the middle of a katakana word, but it's possible for it to be a suffix, where such a usage might make sense.

>>19006452
You don't have a program where you can input a string and it'll return every single file on your system that matches that string, in real time?

ドカ
ド力
This is possibly the single only case where they could get confused.

>>19006507
えっち

とうさつま
http://www.insecam.org/en/view/455319/

>>19006732
tom 調子どう

>>19006593
>honorable
Yeah sounds like she just hates ambushing people instead of properly 1v1ing them or something.

>>19006760
調子
調べ

>>19006732
tom wa gei desu

あたらしいほもだちつくった

>>19006760
>>19006777
Where the hell does it say Tom.

>>19006793
ill give you a hint its in a visible area of the image

>>19006803
I'm not exaggerating when I say I looked over it many, many times over the course of 5 minutes out of curiosity, concentrating on the path column, attempting to see where the hell it showed. Then I realized it was the top row. Jesus Christ.

>>19006820
but wait theres more

>>19006820
step your game up

>>19006507
た・たうえないでください

Anki is so tiresome.

>>19006937
Read the thread. Brainlets use anki. Masters use dictionaries while rereading the same page for an hour.

みんなstep upして

>>19004263
I can't start reading if I don't know any words

小文字君自殺しろ

>>19006956
Oh boy here we go again

>>19006956
see
>>19006945

>>19006960
ちゃんと言葉にしよう

>>19006956
1) start reading
2) see 我が名はめぐみん！
3) mouse over it
4) see 我が is pronounced as わが and means "my own; mine"
5) ????
6) you now know a word

>>19006979
why not just do an anki deck that has 我が in it first so then you know what it means when you get to it and don't have to stop to look it up?

>>19006988
Because there's much more to Japanese than individual words.

see i would say 人見知り as みじり not みしり
連濁 will continue to fuck my asshole into oblivion

>>19006992
yeah but you still have to learn the words sooner or later

地上が邪悪な神の侵略に晒される時、常に現れ、立ち上がる戦士・セイント…！今、若きセイントの新たなる伝説が始まる…！

todays nihongo word of the day is 堂々巡り

check back tomorrow for the next nihongo word of the day

>>19006979
I'm sorry but this is NOT how I imagined language learning to be. There is nothing elegant or smart about this. You are just brute forcing the meaning. At least flash cards make you feel more disconnected, abstract, and smart about what you're doing.

>>19006979
わがなはいもうと！

>>19006992
There is literally 0 reason to not spend a few months at the start of a multi-year commitment to learn a few thousand words which will make reading not only easier but more enjoyable.

the shocking realization when you see your 10000th flash card

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYmn3Gwn3oI

>>19007016
Or you could just start reading anyway because reading is what makes you actually learn Japanese. How the fuck are flashcards more enjoyable than looking at cute pictures with text next to them?

>>19006997
But mishi is easier to say than miji.

Practice your reading! Here's the easy one.

>>19007030
Not having to look up every single word you see will make it more enjoyable. It's not hard to understand. Having the perspective to realize that 2 months of flashcard drilling while going through a grammar book is NOTHING in the grand scheme of the time you'll spend learning is something brainlets such as yourself can't comprehend, I guess.

>>19007030
it's less fun to read and look at the dictionary a lot than it is to read and look at the dictionary a little

>>19007052
>>19007055
Easy: don't look up every word you don't know.

hard:

>>19007047
I thought you were gonna post some meme page but that's actually pretty easy.

how do i leanr programming...

i failed at japanese

i just wnt to play games..

>>19007099
what does programing have 2 do with that

>>19007069
But then you end up reading things like 極細 and 雪洞 wrong.

>>19007117
because i want to program new ways to play final fantasy 7..

>>19007123
これはあんきしないとこまるよ

月極

>>19007099
Learn English first.

>>19006988
Well, if your autism is strong enough to study flashcards without using Japanese at all and not lose interest, then of course it's an option.
But how disappointing would it be to know words like 憂鬱 after several months of hard work, but be unable to recognize basic grammar patterns because you didn't >read more and it's all still foreign to you?

>>19007147
my english is fine. i just talk like a girl because people like it

>>19007131
so do you want to program final fantasy 7 or play final fanasy 7

>>19007123
they both look like little chinese houses so dont worry about it

>>19007047

>>19007052
>Not having to look up every single word you see will make it more enjoyable
Not having to drill flash cards will make it more enjoyable.

>>19007149
Not very because you have years of study and reading ahead of you anyways.

do you guys think that 1 kid ever found the dog in nanarin..

>>19007175
both! its my favorite game ever and the reason why i spent 4 yearstrying to learn Japanese.

i want to make it better and better and live in that world. ive read it in nihongo but idk i suck at japanese x3
i try tho...now i just want to make it better idk..

>start reading without knowing any words or grammar
Only in a place where the discussion has devolved to this level of shitposting can you also find retards of the caliber required to post this with any modicum of sincerity.

>>19007165
ummm.. sexist much??

>>19007189
iktf my ninja..

>>19007149
憂鬱 isnt uncommon at all so thats not a good example unless you mean it's a big boy word because it has lots of lines, but i hope you're not talking about writing.
reading a grammar book would make you learn basic grammar faster than reading and looking up every structure would.
you have to learn a lot more words than you do grammar. you can know all the grammar in the world but you still gotta know the words to read.

>>19007207
women have more power in the online world...plus i wish i were a girl .__.
lifes a game of chess..

>>19007210
<3

>the sooner you start reading the better
>read before you know any words or grammar, the sooner the better!!!

>>19007242
reading isn't reading.

>>19007242
what's the point in drilling random flash cards instead of drilling words you're actually encountering, and moreover words that are actually in context.

like i said you need 10000 hours of spanish subtitled anime to learn words such as sugoi and baka and kawaii and oshare haha just kidding that last one doesnt apply to anime

anyway here you go this should help you get started

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVXnRqrxLPU

>>19007185
That was me yesterday posting about Nanarin.

I'm debating whether or not to continue with the VN because some people here saying the VN is too difficult for me.

>>19007047
Well I don't know how you're supposed to practice reading with that picture considering it's manga and manga isn't reading, but I agree everyone should practice their reading.

>>19007123
And then you stop reading them wrong by the time you learn Japanese.

>>19007223
> reading a grammar book would make you learn basic grammar faster than reading and looking up every structure would.
I knew what 〜ておく was from the grammar guide, but it still took me a while to understand what "おいといて" meant.
I didn't say "fuck everything else, read manga and you'll be fine". I'm talking about getting used to grammar. You can't do that by reading textbooks, just like you can't solve a fairly difficult differential equation in under 10 minutes if you haven't done that before, even if the theory behind it is simple.

Anki is utter ass. Can't stand it. I would pay 20+ per month on top of WK for an actual decent flashcard srs tool

>>19007286
it prolly is dude but if you arent gonna be doing other shit in its place then you might as well just beat your face into it

at the very least youll prolly beat your dick too

>>19007305
I completely agree. I point to the continued production of srs apps (iknow, WK, bunpro, etc.) as a testament to how shitty Anki is to use. Anki is free and eternally customizable. If it were easy to use, no one would bother paying for those other services. Well guess what, it sucks balls. I, too, would be willing to pay a lot of money for an intuitive Anki-like flashcard srs system.

>>19007286
You're still learning the basics, everything is going to be "too difficult" for you. There are certainly things you would understand better than Nanarin, but your problem wasn't with understanding what it's literally saying, it was with focusing so much on understanding individual lines that you had bad comprehension of the implications of the events that were happening. That's not going to go away by switching to something easier, unless it has so little text you have no choice but to comprehend it based on context.

>>19007305
just do this with your flashcards https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3lLvh-gzpY#t=50

reading is the most powerful SRS

>>19007342
fuckin +1

>>19007318
How are those paid services different than anki?

>>19007355
Well WK has a terrible spacing algorithm and forces you to use browser extensions to fix design flaws with it, but at least it has a clean UI with big colorful buttons and cool transition animations!

>>19007307
>>19007332

Should I keep at it then?

Also, I should mention that I'm not "really" reading. I'm cheating by using a texthooker with Yomi-Chan so my vocabulary is still really bad. I know perhaps 200-300 words based on Anki.

>>19007355
>>19007335
Please don't reply to r*ddit posts. These people can't even use srs apps let alone learn Japanese

>>19007380
>Also, I should mention that I'm not "really" reading. I'm cheating by using a texthooker with Yomi-Chan so my vocabulary is still really bad
That's still "reading". You're just using a mouseover dictionary. It only stops being "reading" when you use machine translation assistance of some kind.

https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q13128125748

This is probably fake as hell, but it's pretty hot.

>>19007380
how much anime have you watched lifetime

>>19007290
okay cool you didnt remember what you read in tae kim one time while reading yotsuba. yeah you can learn basic grammar pretty well from grammar books, just because you didnt remember 10% of it doesnt mean the other 90% didnt work otherwise you wouldnt even read the grammar book in the first place.
this conversation is about learning words too not your "basic grammar" and once you read your tae kims and a couple porn games and become a grammar master youre gonna see you still got lots of words to learn.
and before you reply "i never said reading a grammar guide is useless i said you have to get used to the grammar, feel it heart of the cards and all that" well i disagree. you can learn basic grammar pretty good from a grammar guide except for a couple "tough" things like your おいといて

>>19007437
theres nothing hot about inbreeding dude

>>19007443
I used to watch a lot a few years ago, not so much anymore. I've seen all the major popular shows though, like Code Geass, Bakemonogatari, Fate, etc.