/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>climb
but you can fly

HAHA oh wow

Cirno, do you have any idea how much ice it takes to cool down the sun?

>>1892070
Cirno can freeze danmaku. Sun is next to nothing.

You would have to create an ice cube with a total weight of 10 solar masses to put out the sun Cirno. But I know you can do it. I believe in you.

roleplaying b&

>>1892075
not to mention the fact that it will melt as it approaches. I don't feel like doing the calculus to figure out exactly how big you need to make it. Someone did do this one day though on /g/.

cirno rping threads are better than alice ones i have to admit
at least these ones have less lonely virgins

>>1892095
It wouldn't melt. It would instantly form a black hole. And consume the sun along with everything else within the solar system.

Cirno if you can freeze 10 frogs then you can freeze the sun

>>1892109
No you stupid bitch! it will cause the 4th dimension to collapse inwards

>>1892116
Yes... That's pretty much the definition of a black hole.

>>1892119
a black hole is a rip ion the space time continuum caused by the twisting of spacetime by an enormous mass black holes are completely different from the implosion of time.

>>1892126
And the 4th dimension is believed to be the time plane. Thus a hole in the 4th dimension should logically = a black hole.

I wonder what sort of effect freezing the sun would have on Utsuho.

Cold fusion?

>>1892126
>>1892140
DO IT SO THE WORLDS CAN BE BRIDGED FROM YOURS TO OURS

>>1892144
bro the sun will just revert into a big ball of hydrogen if you freeze it

>>1892144
No, 'Cold Fusion' is the name of the Cirno x Utsuho ship.

>>1892144
Almost no effect. Nuclear fission/fusion doesn't get it's energy from the sun.

>>1892140
A black hole is a rip in both space and time(3r'd and 4th dimensions) , a rip in time is not a blackhole.

>>1892140
>And the 4th dimension is believed to be the time plane.
>Thus a hole in the 4th dimension should logically = a black hole.
You mean a hole in the 4th dimension is believed to = a black hole.

It all really depends on your perspective, we are still not sure whether time is really the 4th or 3rd dimension.

METAL GEAR REMIU WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?

A black hole = rip in space and time going through a black fucking hole teleports you to another rip in space and time thus it is possible to travel to any distance at any time depending on how lucky you are.

A collapse in the 4th dimension is really a collapse in the multiverse so every parallel universe will shift into our universe.

>>1892154
Quite frankly this all isn't even well understood yet. So both of us are neither right or wrong. It could very well be that a black hole is a hole in the space and time while simultaneously being a hole in just the time plane.
It's really impossible to explain exactly what it is with our current understanding of it.

>>1892171
>multiverse

go back to /x/ and take your pseudo science with you

>>1892171
No it doesn't, dipshit.

White holes don't exist.

>>1892175
It's understood to the degree that I can accurately state you're an idiot.

>>1892185
What I didn't mention white holes at all in my post!

>black hole
why you gotta be so racist

>>1892185

*claps*
Somebody paid attention to wheelchair man.

>>1892185
White holes do exist, they have to since dark matter exists, in fact dark matter has even been successfully created in the lab already, troll harder please.

>>1892197
Fine, African-American hole. Happy now?

>>1892197
black holes have nothing to do with niggers

>>1892185
Nice to know a /jp/ user knows more about black holes than all greatest scientific minds on the planet. If you will. Please explain to me where matter that falls into a black hole ends up.

>>1892196
Billions of particles of anti-matter
created in laboratory

LIVERMORE, Calif. – Take a gold sample the size of the head of a push pin, shoot a laser through it, and suddenly more than 100 billion particles of anti-matter appear.

The anti-matter, also known as positrons, shoots out of the target in a cone-shaped plasma “jet.”

This new ability to create a large number of positrons in a small laboratory opens the door to several fresh avenues of anti-matter research, including an understanding of the physics underlying various astrophysical phenomena such as black holes and gamma ray bursts.

Anti-matter research also could reveal why more matter than anti-matter survived the Big Bang at the start of the universe.

“We’ve detected far more anti-matter than anyone else has ever measured in a laser experiment,” said Hui Chen, a Livermore researcher who led the experiment. “We’ve demonstrated the creation of a significant number of positrons using a short-pulse laser.”

Chen and her colleagues used a short, ultra-intense laser to irradiate a millimeter-thick gold target. “Previously, we concentrated on making positrons using paper-thin targets,” said Scott Wilks, who designed and modeled the experiment using computer codes. “But recent simulations showed that millimeter-thick gold would produce far more positrons. We were very excited to see so many of them.”

>>1892196

... wow.
Just wow.

>>1892206
the matter does not move anywhere its still there existing in singularity

>>1892206
It's condensed into an infinitely small pinpoint.

How do you not know this? Did you just not pay attention in elementary school, never looked it up, never watched the science channel, never read a goddamn book?

How are you so fucking stupid as to believe the 'greatest scientists in the world' don't know how a black hole works?

Your post is more insulting to the greatest scientific minds than anything I could ever say or do.

>>1892196
...You're a fucking retard.

>>1892214
So you know definitely that there are singularities existing in this universe? Why are you still browsing /jp/? You are possibly the smartest being alive. Share your wealth of knowledge with the rest of mankind faggot.

>>1892222
I can only pray you're a clever troll.

Truly.

>>1892220
Cool speculations bro.

>>1892220
BZZZT! The correct answer is "nobody knows yet"

>>1892225
>>1892226
Remember when 4chan was for smart intellectuals who actually knew basic facts?

Shame that died 3 years ago and counting.

>>1892232
So you're also telling me you're 100% sure singularities exist within this universe?
How on earth did you go about finding this information?

>>1892234
That guy in the wheelchair as another anon so gracefully called him.

I also am not the guy who said anything about singularities, but whatever floats your dumb as a rock boat.

>>1892232
I see a troll backed into a corner with nothing left but personal attacks.

Thread is over
troll became to obvious with all of his greatest minds and nobody knows posts

heres a tip, try actually learning the subject before trolling it.

>>1892235
Guess that's why all this stuff is left to theoretical physicists and not 4chan's Anonymous.

It turns out science knows nothing for certain.

>>1892237
I agree.

No human could possibly be so fucking stupid and have access to the internet.

>>1892249
Everyone has internet access nowadays. Everyone.

>>1892220
>>1892220
How am I a fucking retard? the discovery of dark matter proves the existence of dark energy and thus anti gravity.

>>1892246
You mean like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation proving that Black Holes retain their mass and constantly spew out their absorbed mass and energy while also bringing in more, meaning that if left alone they will 'evaporate' due to not getting anymore?

Shit, it's almost as if one of the world's most intelligent scientists put together a working theory about the lack of White Holes and that they are in fact a singularity, and this has been known since the 1700's.

Goddamn.

>>1892253
HURRRR
[spoilr]DURRRR[/spoiler]

>>1892257
Haha, oh wow. I'll get my coat.

>>1892255
Dark matter is still hypothetical, my good man.

Unless you care to show me an article, it is Cirno time.

>>1892262
Didn't the 'anti-gravity' part give it away as a joke?

>>1892262
>>1892262
https://publicaffairs.llnl.gov/news/news_releases/2008/NR-08-11-03.html

bro the existence of dark matter was proved in 2001, it was finally created in 2008, therefore whiteholes exist.

>>1892269
Anti-matter and Dark Matter aren't the same thing, Broski.

We also had Antimatter before 2008, Broseph.

>>1892256
You forgot to mention the part where nobody in their right minds believes half the bullshit Hawking preaches.
The moron even said himself that matter that goes into a black hole completely disappears from existence. And followed that up by claiming that in fact gets converted into some voodoo called Hawking radiation.

Yeah that's the guy I want to get my information from.

Black holes are filled with AIDS.

Cirno time!?

>>1892271
All the way back in 1995, in fact.

>>1892273
>insulting and denying Hawking

>>1892273
What's matter?

>>1892273
I'm not sure he dubbed it Hawking radiation. Pretty sure someone else did.

And that's just the nature of science. He was sure of one thing for a while, but found some evidence against it, and changed his mind.

>>1892273
And yet, he still holds the most honored position in cosmology in the world.

Pic = everyone in this thread.

>>1892273
Arguing against Black Holes being a singularity is stupid, as even scientists in the 1700s knew that if black holes existed(As the existance of an object whose gravitational pull was stronger than the speed of light was still hypothetical) it would be a singularity due to the ridiculous forces of gravity it has. Past the event horizon, everything in it is drawn deeper into the center, condensing into one infinitely small point. Time and Space flow directly inward, to the point that the movement of light past the event horizon is the movement of time on the whole into the black hole.

Shit fucks up every dimension, and you're a fucking retard.

>>1892289
stop feeding the troll

Spoilers: The reason we're all drifting away from the center of the universe is because the Big Bang was actually a Supermassive Black Hole going through the last phase of Hawking Radiation, thus spitting out all matter as we know it.

>>1892273
Nice to know a /jp/ user knows more about black holes than all greatest scientific minds on the planet. If you will. Please explain to me where matter that falls into a black hole ends up.

>>1892109
what if the ice is dense enough that it cancels out the power of the gravity crushing it?

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>>1892220
>>1892214

>>1892278
Hawking is a joke in the scientific community.

>>1892279
It's stuff.

>>1892285
Honored enough to be almost dead last in a list of top 100 physicists of all time?

>>1892289
Cool speculation bro.
You do know that it's not 100% proven that singularities exists at all right?

>>1892287
No integrals to calculate the area covered by the laser ?
Cirno, I'm disappointed.

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>>1892206
>>1892297
Let me try this again:
HURRR
DURRR[/spoiler

>what if the ice is dense enough that it cancels out the power of the gravity crushing it?

The denser something is, the stronger its gravitational field on its surface.

>>1892306

>>1892206
>>1892297
Let me try this again:
HURRR
DURRR

>>1892310
>HURR IT DOESN'T EXIST DESPITE EVERY SCIENTIFIC MIND BELIEVING IN IT

>>1892310
It's not 100% proven that you exist.

It's not 100% proven that gravity, air, time, space, matter, etc. exist.

Black Holes exist.

Therefore, singularities exist.

If A exists, B must also exist. If B did not exist, it would be impossible for A to exist.

A exists.

B exists.

>>1892309
It would still collapse. The whole reason very large stars don't form black holes instantly is because the constant nuclear explosions going on within the star slightly overpower the gravitational forces trying to collapse it.

ITT butthurt faggot angry that he got proven wrong and is now trying to derail the thread by posting cirno pics

HURR DURR I believe in stupid shit like string theory and shit

>>1892323
That's false logic, all I have to do is prove A doesn't really need B and that's done.

/jp/ - cirno and theoretical physics

>>1892333
sorry, that one is me.

>>1892333
Cirno pics in a Cirno thread? Shocking.

Use a picture with less artifacts you retard.

As a 4th year physics student I must say, you're all fucking idiots.

>>1892337
Except A has to have B to exist. There is no other way for it to exist.

>>1892326
Wrong.

As usual.

>>1892321
That's absolutely correct.

>>1892323
Nobody is 100% certain what even created this universe. Ever wonder why it's called the big bang theory and not the big bang event? Cause nobody fucking knows. You have no idea if singularities exist. Nobody does. So until you personally dive into a black hole, look at what's in the center of it, come back out, and give actual proof of it. You're just spewing out mindless speculation.

>>1892352
>I don't know the definition of "theory".

>>1892346
Explain that one to the rest of the class too while you're at it.
What creates black holes?

As an engineer I can safely say Hawkings radiation is better than string theory, and every stupid fuck in the world believes in that bullshit.

>>1892326
you don't understand what a explosion is do you?

>>1892352
YOU CAN'T COME OUT OF A BLACK HOLE

YOU CAN'T DIVE INTO A BLACK HOLE

YOU CANNOT OBSERVE A SINGULARITY BECAUSE IT WILL ALWAYS BE BEHIND AN EVENT HORIZON

YOU ARE STUPID

>>1892326

Still depends on how much ice there is an whether or not there's enough mass, but sure, yeah.

>>1892357
mass

>>1892362
10 solar masses is a rough estimate of how massive an object needs to be before being able to form a black hole.

>>1892364
Theories in science aren't mindless speculation.

>>1892360
You just proved yourself wrong then.
Nice job.

>>1892357
If a burned out star is big and heavy enough, it collapses into a black hole. This requires an extremely large star to burn through all its phases and still be FUCKING HUGE(3-4 times our sun). Only at that point will it condense into a black hole.

>>1892371
That's the point.

Jesus fuck, you guys know shit about physics, this sure would drive my teachers mad.

No wonder people believe in stupid things like gods, seeing you guys argue about stuff you don't know like idiots would probably give the worst image of science one could imagine.

>>1892372
..No, I proved myself right.

Whatever /jp/, I'm going to bed.

Reminds me of the time a couple faggots thought a Black Hole was a planet-sized mass where more shit just kept piling on.

People like this make me ashamed to be American, because you just know they are too.

>>1892372
at least come up with responses better than your wrong! if you want to be a halfway decent troll

>>1892377
Yes and why doesn't it become a black hole the instant it has enough mass to become one? Because the outward force of the hydrogen fusion reaction out-weighs the inward force of gravity on the star.

could i freeze gravity before it crushes itself into a black hole and remove mass to prevent it becoming a blackhole?

>>1892362
Sure got a lot of hair there Cirno

>>1892395
No, because it's too hot.

>>1892389

Hopefully we're all just fucking around and trolling each other.

>>1892310
>It's stuff
You pretty much invalidated all your arguments through lack of scientific reasoning.

Are by chance the same idiot who claimed some weeks ago that the String theory isn't a physical theory because you can't observe it directly?

>>1892396
no

>>1892411
Rumia has a strong back.

>>1892405
I just don't care to type up a long winded explanation of what matter is. I guess in as few words as possible matter could be explained a. Stuff that's there as apposed to stuff that isn't there.
And no. Wasn't me.

>>1892395
>>1892372
>>1892368
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>>1892352
>>1892326
>>1892310
>>1892273
>>1892246

Sometimes I wish that /jp/ had mods

>>1892403
I hope so too.
SCIENCE!!! trolls are the worst.

>>1892428
...

Baka Baka[/Spoiler]

>>1892425
Yeah, but you know they'd all be like this guy.

>>1892287
>Pic = everyone in this thread.
You forgot to carry the ⑨.

ok, i'm out of Cirno pics now.

>>1892448
forgot this one!

Black Holes are actually just really dark planets.

>>1892448

>>1892448
heres one i didn't see

Cirno should be instantly banned in /jp/ since it's just /b/ trolls and underage youtube commenters.

>>1892448

""This is a farewell kiss from the Gensokyo people, you witch"
-Alice Margatroid interviewed by Aya Shameimeru shortly before she was taken out.

TOO MANY PICS WITH TITS ON MY ICE FAIRY!!

>>1892511
But your ice fairy does have tits.

>>1892523
Ice pads.

>>1892175
Because explosions and compression = magic.
Way to take science and fail.

>>1892523
Hm?

Any bet's on if he runs out of worksafe Cirno pics before image limit?

those this mean im the storngest?

>>1892534
wtf?

>>1892564
that's not me, still worksafe

Even Inside the event horizon or Schwarzschild radius of a static isolated black hole the mass of the collapsed star is compressed into a singularity point. (compressed into infinite density) Computer simulations of the collapse of a disk of dust (a replication of a black hole) have indicated that these a naked singularity (a visible black hole) exist implying that the cosmic censorship hypothesis. Which in turn help to hold most theories of a black holes.
Black holes have not been correctly replicated to a theory binding point, the furthest we have gotten is computer simulation and micro replication of similar results. Which make many of the theories still just that, we have not yet reached a conclusion of even the basics of black holes.

>>1892564

F*CK THE CENSOR!
>>1892564

>>1892573
See scientist Cirno knows.

>Max limit of 100 image replies has been reached.

There you go, 100 cirno images