/jp/ - Otaku Culture

UBOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>18871591
Before asking dumb questions, read the FUCKING guide

>>18871610
After reading two volumes of Sketchbook I mined more birds, insects and plants than I will probably ever need.

?

>>18871660
常識的に

>>18871731

>>18871789

I don't think there has been a single gaijin who has reached fluency in Japanese without doing RTK.

Huh.

>>18871866
claims made without evidence can be ignored without evidence

>>18871889
I hope j-cat uses a linear score system. If that is the case then I can say that I am half way through.

>>18871915
>I don't think
You exemplify the low IQ of non-RTKfags.

>>18871866
>there were no gaijin fluent in Japanese before 1977

>>18871932
Yes. AJATT and Matt not memrise and Nuke okay god bless.

>>18871866
Guy that passed kanji kentei 1 level says nothing about RTK.

>>18871925
Come back with an argument anytime ;)

>>18872009
>Guy that passed kanji kentei 1 level
A gaijin? I want a source.

>>18872009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQCFyD_Q51k
You can't read like this.

>>18872020
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCekKfzxgcijjvcpI9HoUGSA/videos his chanel.

>>18871925
Retards that need mnemonics don't get to bring up IQ.

>>18872064
Coming from someone who can't read.. Hehe, try next time. ;)

>>18872023
Literally who

How common is furigana among manga?

Four more contributions required to complete the Ten DJT Commandments.

>Thou shalt not post without reading the guide.
>Thou shalt not copy-paste posts from reddit.
>Thou shalt not do RTK.
>Thou shalt be ゲイ
>Thou shalt read more.
>Thou shalt not write.

>>18872104
An example of the brilliance of RTK, that's all...

>>18872115
Depends

>>18872024
Jesus Christ, what an autism incarnate. I am impressed.

can i learn japanese?

Is this true? What word should I use for myself? Boku sounds gay, watashi sounds feminine, watasha sounds like chewing and ore sounds like singing.

>>18872228
The guy on the pic is dekinai, disregard him. Read more.

>>18872228
use よ

>>18872023
>You can't read like this
I can read similarly, probably the same with practice but I've been studying only for a 1.5 years. And I didn't do rtk.

>>18872228
拙者

>>18872219
yes. you can do it.

>>18872228
己様

>>18872329
>referring yourself as sama
Sounds narcissistic.

>>18872249
>>18871915
:):)

>>18872395
not my claim, rtk fuckboi

>>18872272
>>18872329
This sounds too rarely used. I think that ore matches my personality.

私はゲイ
度絵sティs目案てゃtてぇp路の運私いsがｙ？

>>18872023
4.25 Missread 機能 as 状態
consistently fucksup 軍兵 reading it as ぐんへい
7:54 剣形 as けんけい, in reality it should be けんがた
9:46 - read 肩甲 as something very odd
10:46 - 一歩退く as いっぽしりぞいて
10:48 - 外す as かわす instead of はずす
11:52 - reads 軍将 as しょうぐん
Not so good after all those years...
>>18872395
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0nSGtbdhoPa Only studying for 1 year and two months, so sorry.

>>18871591
>No thread number
>No backlink
Please stop being autistic.

>>18872498
7 mistakes in 12 minutes of reading a relatively hard VN, some of which he already corrected himself with in the describtion...

You're right, he's not so good. He's great!

>>18872498
>6 mins of audio compared to 20 mins
really convincing

>>18872542
What's the difference between 6 and 12 mins? It's not like it gets harder after that.

>>18872554
Your accent was also, clearly, nowhere near as good as his. I also bet that you've done RTK.

>tfw just realized yotsuba means a four-leaf clover, the symbol of 4chan

>>18872577
matt's accent isn't even good

>>18872579

Why are we comparing our fluencies again?

Is that what fluent people do? Will I have the urge to show I can read text in proper Japanese accent once I get, like, three-fourths dekiru?

>tfw can read quite a few sentenecs, and get the basic understanding of something as long as theres only very few complex kanji
>tfw can't understand a single full sentence in anime
am i retarded

>>18872602
>Why are we comparing our fluencies again?
those that cannot do, teach
aka the RTK fanboys

rattata and tae kim not ajatt and matt okay god bless

>>18872624
I should also fill my mining deck while reading, right?

>>18872634
if you want, but it doesn't matter that much

How do you pronounce the '=' in this whole thing:
彼女いない歴＝年齢

Do you even pronounce it?
かのじょいないれき[x]ねんれい

>>18872658
Maybe it's 二 and not = ?

>>18872658
if it's really = you don't pronounce it
you don't pronounce it
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%AD%E3%82%AF%E3%81%A7%E3%81%AA%E3%81%97%E9%AD%94%E8%A1%93%E8%AC%9B%E5%B8%AB%E3%81%A8%E7%A6%81%E5%BF%8C%E6%95%99%E5%85%B8#%E7%99%BB%E5%A0%B4%E4%BA%BA%E7%89%A9

>>18872577
>Your accent was also, clearly, nowhere near as good as his
如上のように斟酌して頂けて欲しい次第です。
>I also bet that you've done RTK.
マットイズムと一緒にするまいぞ。

>>18872646
R-Really? I mean I've got like the first 1500 words of the Anki deck and am halfway through the tae kim guide. Even with furigana, shouldn't I try to learn the words I don't know? Otherwise I'll just have to look the words up I don't know yet again

>>18872668
yes, you should try to learn the words you don't know
it's up to you whether that means mining or something else

>>18872333
That's the whole point.

>>18872666
What?

>>18872685
>doesn't even know basic japanese
>trying to judge accents

>>18872663
>>18872665
>maybe it's not =
>if it's really =
Is 彼女いない歴＝年齢 really an uncommon slang? I've seen it in this LN I'm reading (pic related) and I believe a manga, but I can't remember which one.

I know what it means, I'm just wondering if you read the ＝ part.

>>18872702
lol
it's 彼女いない歴=年齢の悲しい歴史 not 彼女いない歴=年齢

>>18872705
Ah. So I've cut off the part that really matters? This article https://woman.mynavi.jp/article/150408-14/ had just the 彼女いない歴=年齢の part, so I thought the 悲しい歴史 part can be cut.

But it's not usually pronounced, yeah? So if you have to read it out loud you just say かのじょいないれきねんれいのかなしいれきしい?

>>18872702
It's also in the (sub)title of the Tanaka LN/WN, where it's written イコール

>>18872702
>rotating = when writing vertically
Nips, the absolute madmen

>>18872685
暗記とのプログラムを蔑ろにするですか？愚騃ではあるまいし　ちゃんと新しい言語をデッキに詰めて、　そしてｒｔｋという異端をわすれてよ

>>18872715
well to be maximally correct it's 彼女いない歴=年齢のX where X happens to be 悲しい歴史 here

>>18872722
Ooops, forgot the image

>>18872726
What..?

>>18872701
I don't need to know Japanese to understand that Matt sounds fluent.

>>18872748
Matt's accent is obviously flawed even to someone who isn't fluent like myself. Take Matt's one piece of good advice and don't trust someone's skill level just because they sound good to you in particular.

>>18872658
"イコール", usually

>>18872722
The reason I ask is because I could've sword someone actually said 彼女いない歴=年齢 but I can't tell how = is pronounced, and I can't remember where I've heard it from.

I've looked for videos of it and this guy https://youtu.be/nuITckQLD9M?t=14 said いこーる, so I suppose that's it.

note: don't actually watch the rest of the video
>>18872756
Ah, thanks, dude!

>>18872759
It's pronounced イコール, as in >>18872733

>>18872754
That's why I don't trust you. ;)

>>18872774
That's not logically consistent. You shouldn't trust Matt either.

>>18872776
I have MUCH more to base his skill level off. I bet you haven't even read RTK.

>>18872785
You don't know Japanese so you don't have anything to base his skill level off of. Why aren't you taking his advice?

I've come across a page of novel that I can read, and I've come across a roughly equal number of characters that I can't understand!

It is this 甘酸 that makes learning Japanese so good and makes me want to cry

>daily japanese thread
>instead of actually helping people and talk about progress its some idiots just complaining that others havent done that or that others have done that
like come fucking on who cares what the fuck the other person did, as long as your method works for you.

>>18872789
I showed a video of him speaking to my Japanese wife's son, and he told me that Matt is fluent in the language so I have every reason to trust his advice. Begone.

>>18872795
Some methods are simply objectively inferior. AJATT is not one of those methods.

>>18872804
Fluent doesn't mean good.

>>18872806
>Anonymous 04/22/18(Sun)15:16:20 No.18872806▶
>>>18872804 (You)
>Fluent doesn't mean good.
Anonymous 04/22/18(Sun)15:16:20 No.18872806▶
>>18872804 (You)
Fluent doesn't mean good.

>>18872813
>when you're so new you're not even using 4chan X

I'm about to apply for a job and for the first time I have written "Japanese" in the language section on my CV

>>18872825
Your lying skills have improved!

>>18872795
>like come fucking on who cares what the fuck the other person did, as long as your method works for you.
然もありご尤もです。その特権は某マットとかnukemarine即ちえらい奴だけが持つべきだと思います。卑しい小生のような者には決して譲るわけにはゆきませぬ。

>>18872840

>>18872859
Forgot one とか after nukemarine.

matt can do japanese fine but not good enough that you should be listening to him about anything

>>18872870
this

>>18872840
Nah I've taken the JLPT so it's not unsubstantiated

What is the longest conjugation possible in japanese? I only know of -なければならなくなった

minna genki?

>>18871591
>watching ゲームセンターCX
>Mom walks in while this is on the screen

Should I just give up on Japanese now?

>>18872897
What even counts as a conjugation? I'd say your examples does not. Both ならなく and なった are separate words.

>>18872906
>Watching middle-aged gamer
You should've watched upper-aged fat woman discussing interesting things! Then there's no way your mother will be disappointed in you!

Watching マツコの知らない世界 will make your mother proud.

>>18872906
>watashi no musuko wa ゲイ

Dogen did RTK, you know...

>>18872870
>matt can do japanese fine but not good enough that you should be listening to him about anything
いやしくも販売に関しての講義があらば有難く承ることにします。商魂ですもの。

Fact: Everyone that's completed RTK in the recommended time of 3-6 months has become excellent at Japanese

>>18872870
>not good enough that you should be listening to him

But I should listen to you, right? Because you're so good you can read classical Japanese books from the 1800s like Matt?

>>18872971
False. I did and I'm shit.

>>18872976
listening to people about japanese != listening to people about other people

Why are you even answering this obvious bait?
>>18872971
is enough evidence to know thats its clearly bait

no anon some people are actually just fucking retarded

>>18872913

I would argue that a large amount of conjugations aren't really conjugations at all since they change the word's part of speech in describing how it is or was. This isn't really that much unlike English, but we do it somewhat backwards in comparison.

>Don't eat
Describes how you perform "eat"

>食べない
Also describes how you perform 食べる except that the whole thing is effectively an adjective.

Without the implied state of being lurking in the background of all Japanese sentences, this wouldn't really work.

>>18872940
ごめんそれを優しい日本語で書いてくれますか

>>18872976
instead of looking for someone else to listen to why not yourself

there is a difference between morphological uniqueness and semantic uniqueness and things like てしまう are certainly semantically unique even if they're not morphologically unique
500~1500 years from now ちゃう might even turn into a fully formal perfective form

>>18872971
霹靂の如き打つ
驟雨のように降り懸る
霾りを上げて
ｒｔｋとマットとを評隲するのは吾が天命なり！

>>18872971
I wouldn't say I'm excellent, but I did RTK in 3 months at the beginning, and passed JLPT N2 2.5 years after starting RTK, and N1 the year after that (for a total of 3.5 years from start to N1).
I can play all the japanese video games I want (which was the main motivation for me) and I read a ton of LNs/WNs without bothering to look up stuff most of the time.
That said, I have never talked to a japanese person and don't plan to, so I'm probably not "fluent" depending on however you define that.

>>18872498
>that voice
How much do you fucking weigh?

>>18873037
Congrats anon

What did you do after RTK?

>>18873012
裏ぶれた日本語で書くとなんとか醍醐味に欠けるよ

AJATT and Matt not memrise and nuke okay? God bless.

>>18873052
no, rattata

>>18873012
>instead of looking for someone else to listen to why not yourself

"Myself" just says to do whatever the people that learned Japanese to a very high level did. So yeah, I need evidence of this before I take anyone's advice on Japanese

>>18872498
>https://vocaroo.com/i/s0nSGtbdhoPa
I dont know why but I fell disgusted deep down.

>>18873012
やさしい
優しい:kind 易しい:easy

>いやしくも販売に関しての講義があらば有難く承ることにします。商魂ですもの。
≒もしも販売に関して抗議（こうぎ　×講義:lecture）があれば聞かせてください。これは商売(=not volunteer work)ですから。

How do I improve my grammar. I have finished tae kim's guide, but when I read something I may know all the words but not understand what the sentence means. Is their anything I should be doing specifically to help with this, or do I need to just read more. For reference I have been reading consistently for about 2 months.

>>18873097
Do you mine words? Why not mine sentences with new grammar?

>>18873043
七十瓩そこそこですね。まさか　もしかしてbuggerさんが訊いていますかと。

>>18872498
You're not even trying to pronounce じ.

「やだぁ、苺大福の箱が落っこってきて初恋の人が死んじゃった～～～～～。」

ものすごくみんなに伝えたいことがあるの

わたしはゲイ

>>18873144
おおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおおお





わたしもゲイだよ

>>18873064
10000 hours of subtitled bamgumi dorama and animation before even thinking about studying nihomgo

>>18873045
Core 6k (finished the 10k sometime before N2...all that newspaper vocab is really useful there).
After that lots of reading mostly.
The first game I finished in japanese was Trails in the Sky, around 1.5 years in. I've played the game in english, and I had access to an english script, but it was still horrible.
That said, I learned a lot from it and went on playing the rest of the series (including the untranslated Crossbell games) after that.
For listening, I'm still using seiyuu/anime radio shows and podcasts that I'm listening to on my commute (around 30 minutes one way, which is the perfect length for those things)

「やだぁ、苺大福の箱が落っこってきて初恋の人が死んじゃった～～～～～。」

What does 苺大福の箱が落っこってきて初秋 even mean. Literally it's "first love of the fallen strawberry candy box" I guess. It's in the context of a story that was written so could it be a fanciful literary title maybe?

>>18873179
It's an innuendo for the pleasure of being cummed inside

>>18873197
それは違うと思う

I’m at the end of my second year of Japanese at university and we are currently finishing up the Hiyaku textbook.

I’ve found that learning the grammar hasn’t gotten much more difficult, but reading has been killing me. Specifically because we are expected to be able to read and comprehend intermediate length sentences more quickly now.

Maybe I’m just out of gas, but it has become such a struggle. How did you guys deal with making the jump from smaller sentences to more complex ones? I know persistence will pay off, but I’m open to any strategies you may have adopted specifically for intermediate length sentence comprehension.

bait

>円高
What the fuck is this?

>>18873218
read more (is this reddit?)

>>18873179
That is a part of 三題噺(さんだい ばなし : as a practice for a novice novelist, one has to make a short story ad lib which includes given random 3 words )
so consider it as a nonsense poem.

>>18873197
i just had that slight suspicion that it had something to do with cummin inside
for fucks sake man
this is the reason im learning this

I've done analysis on 4 tests each of N2 and N1: if you learn the entire Core 6k that's about 70% of the tested words in N2 (75% for Core 10k), but if you learn the entire Core 10k it's only about 45% of the tested words in N1.

>>18873270
?
>Endaka
>a state in which the value of the Japanese yen is high compared to other currencies

>>18873288
Is there an info on how much words do N1 and N2 test in total?

>>18873280
Thank you

I have 2000 cards to catch up on. What should I limit my daily reviews to right now?

When are you able to understand manga and anime without problems? N3? N2?

>>18873325
N6

Protip for the beginners/intermediate out there. I just realized something while using anki with Genki lesson 1 vocabulary. The word for Anthropology (じんるいがく) has given me trouble remembering. I searched up the kanji for it and I recognized 2 kanji in it, 人 and 学. so using that I was able to think of the beginning and end of the word. only leaving the middle of the word for me to remember.

This may not make a lot of sense but i figured it may help.

Basically what I'm trying to say is that look for familiar kanji in a word and it might help. Kanji aren't as scary as people make it out to be.

bait

>>18873327
>N6
lmao Im good to go already then

>>18873324
2001

>>18873328
people arent scared of kanji theyre scared of kana because they didnt words written with those with flashcards lol

I'm sick of anki.
Done about 1,7k words now.
Can I just get into reading and mine all the shit I dont understand?
I guess for kanji its either just learning the particular kanji IN the word or RTK

>>18873328
people arent scared of kanji theyre scared of kana because they didnt drill words written with those with flashcards lol

Is kanji tomo the best thing for mining manga?

>>18872228
This is not true. You could always just be formal and say 私（わたくし), if you really want to.

>>18873367
real men write their own ocr image reader

>>18873280
>learning Japanese
>comes across a nonsense poem
Worst nightmare

>>18873378
wouldnt happen if they stuck to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMx9DGl9Y0

After three years without studying (I studied between 2011-2014), I decided to go back on track. However, this time I won't go to a class and I will study at home.

During 2011-2014, I worked with Minna no Nihongo I and II (up to lesson 38). I learnt approximately 130 kanji and I sat for the N5 exam (which I passed). After I stopped attending lessons, I kept practising up to now. However, I did not add any new knowledge (maybe some new vocabulary).

My objective is to sit for N4 this December. It would be great to sit for N3, but it might not be possible due to time constraints. The time I can spend learning Japanese per week is between 12 - 20 hours. If everything goes right, I will be ready for N4 by the end of August.

>>18873272
>(is this reddit?)
It is. I have absolutely no idea why people keep doing this.

bait

an annoying child doing literally anything they can think of for attention from people that aren't part of their life

>>18872228
I like to say my name but I probably sound retarded doing that.

>>18871591
bait

Reminder to
- Spend a day not masturbating
- Spend the next day reading moege cum nukige and masturbating at the end of it
- Repeat
if you want to learn Japanese!

これで辞させて貰おう。ｒｔｋをやるなかれ。だがたまに獅子は我が子を千尋の谷に突き落とすと云うのも悪くはない。懲り懲りするまで。あばよ。

>>18873393
>3 years
>130 Kanji

This is like, what, learning a stroke per day?

reminder omai wah moo shindehroo

>>18871591
>no thread number
>subject order pointlessly rearranged
>no previous thread link, or failing that an archive link
why

>>18873421
NANE?XDDDD

there is literally nothing wrong with not having a thread number

>>18873426
hey whats this guy saying https://streamable.com/gunpv

>>18873431
hes ge(i)scho

>>18873179
a strawberry daifuku box does fall down and hit her first lover and he was dead.

is this thread always this bad?

>>18873507
http://youtu.be/ofp_ffk0LM4#t=151

>>18873507
Maybe the remains of the dead /int/ thread cause sepsis.

this threads gone septic long before it got split into two ass cheeks

>>18873523
this thread has been shit for ages now
the last one died with less than 100 poster when it used to be 160 months ago

>>18873563
the less people that post the more people that are learning nihongo innit mate

if thats not a measure of progress i dont know what is eat your heart out anki stats

>>18873575
it's clearly a sign of cancerous circlejerking and decay of quality
if the thread was good even the dekirus would stay around to answer questions, but it's just shitposting so they leave

>>18873618
there was just a bunch of dekilus posting a short while ago look at all that grade-a nihongo

この方も出来ないね

>>18873635
たしかにそうだんえ

>>18873618
What do you think a "good thread" should be about? Answering stupid questions? Discussing whether RTK is useful or not, or any other question that's answered in the guide? Blogposting? Circlejerking about how difficult of a language Japanese is and how smart we all are for learning it?

if a thread is good the people who dont contribute anything anyway dont have to complain that its bad obviously

>>18873663
Honestly I'm only hear to get some of my questions answered, I really dont give a shit about the social aspect of learning japanese. Thats why I'm not even gonna bother with speaking it myself, or writing in that case.
I just want to read and watch weebshit

We just tell each other we suck until proven otherwise. Gotta take it as a drive to get better

everyones actually really fuckin good

>>18873675 is not me >>18873618

>>18873663
a good thread would be what the /int/ djt was
as a slow board /jp/ actually has the possibility of creating a thoughtful thread with friendly atmosphere that actually discusses japanese instead of japanese learning methods, but instead it's just shitflinging
in maybe a year from now on this thread is dead as well and rightfully so

>>18873708
Never said I was you, anon.

>>18873708
if you gotta post critiques about a thread instead of just post in theme with the thread you have no good ideas anyway and should be disregarded period

>>18873718
well, I don't have the intention of staying here really
you can laugh if you want, but I'm better than most people here anyway. it's just sad when I think about what this thread could be and what it is, especially when I've already seen the possibilities on /int/

>>18873685
>everyone
>me
lmao my dude
私は本当にシットですよ。
じっさい、「シット」は違う (じゃあ、だろう。)
tl;dr probably 90% of what I just wrote is either elementary school niveau or just completly wrong





私の生きるはゲイ。

>>18873759
then why cant you save the int thread instead of bitch? a thread lives and dies on its posters home boy

>>18873770
i mean you used the 元nihongo word of the day so like you at least get 69点 from me keep gambaruing

>籌木
OH NO NO

Is practicing kana with multiple fonts worth my time?

婆さんのケツを食べたら日本語が上手になる？

本当に励ましたけど相変わらず日本語が下手だ。もう堪えない。日本語の妙薬は婆さんのケツに探してみるよ！

>>18873854
訂正:　励んだ

You're sitting on campus, suddenly a pair of students sit down behind your and start talking in simple Japanese. What do?

>されなければならない

>>18873857
私のおばさんはもうしんでいる
>>18873878
彼らはゲイだぞ。
also why the fuck would i just be sitting around on a campus. I'd fuck off back home and get back to watching anime

わたしはケツマンコ食べる

>>18873913
天気は良かったら

>>18873949
そうよね。

>>18873913
キミは今期のtop3アニメを決めましたか

Read anything fun today 先輩？

>>18873949
そして?日は本当に煩いよ
>>18873960
今期?えと、「僕のヒーローアカデミア」はひとことみているです。(Is that right? If it's not, please someone correct it.)

>インディアン

I take it all back, I FUCKING love Japanese!

>>18872228
Makes me wonder if real ゲイs use 僕?
or maybe it's a power dynamic thing, tops use 俺 and bottoms use 僕 or 私 if they're really trying to femme it up.
I'm sure nihonjim and nihonjon shitpost about this stuff on the internets somewhere...

>>18874107
Yeah. Browsing 2ch is the endgame of learning nihongo.

>>18874080
i have no idea what you wanted there dude

>>18874107
they dont because obsessing over pronouns is a gaijin thing onry

it might come up if someone uses a weird pronoun at some time but otherwise ┐(‘～` )┌

>>18874124
shit
My hero academia is the only anime im watching this season (this season? uh, boku no hero academia is the only thing im watching) but I guess i fucked it up, whoops.

>>18874132
bokuno hero academiaだけ見てる

ヒナ祭りを勧める

Boku no my hero academia is on animelon now if you wanna download the video/subs

Anyone has scans or whatever of actual grammar textbooks used at Japanese schools, from grade school to high school?

3d彼女は最強no.1

>>18874233
if you arent a complete lamebrain you can literally google for grade schooler classroom resources like this

>>18874238
>3d
気持ち悪い。
じゃあ、私は浴びるよ。
またね、アノンーくん

Is there a specific phrase for "nice to have met you" after you finish speaking to somebody new? Or would something like よろしくね suffice?

today were gonna teach you once and for all about particles

http://youtu.be/7DlTPVr4G2Y#t=50

>>18873523
>still blaming /int/'s DJT for the rampant cancer here
Dude you're delusional as fuck. The influx of /int/ DJTers could only make this place better.

>>18874303
imoto posts are top tier though

this guy actually fuckin owns http://youtu.be/7DlTPVr4G2Y#t=605

I have something to admit
I haven't read anything the past 2 days

>>18874339
its all right dude no worries

>>18874339
Not gonna make it

>>18873788
>then why cant you save the int thread instead of bitch?
Because autists here threw a fit and split the community, leaving too few people on the /int/ thread for how fast that board is. The thread dies after only 1 hour over there, while the one here can survive 6 hours without posting. Why do you keep playing ignorant when you know full well what happened.

>>18874315
They are but sadly the same autists that split the community told the mod to crack down on one of the only people on here who actually knew fluent Japanese.

>>18874303
>cherry picking
/int/ can be just as bad and the /jp/ can be just as good

>>18874361
one person can change a threads fate

>>18874369
this thread can never be as good as the int thread on its worst day ever even if the int thread doesnt exist its still better objectively

>>18874369
Dude, it isn't only me, other people like >>18873759 agree that the quality of /int/'s DJT is way better, and never had all the shit you people accuse them of having, like flagposting and blogposting. I've seen way more blogposting on the DJT here, either that or when people can't be bothered to blogpost, the simply copy-paste some reddit blogposting here instead. This whole thread is cancer and should simply be removed.

>>18874382
isnt it fine if the int thread disappears you should be graduating to the actual nihongo thread anyway

its actually really a bad look to go from there and come here to complain

its time to grow up

the nihongo thread is waiting

>>18874410
So you're saying that graduating from DJT means that you end up on /int/ anyway on their Japanese thread? Why be here on /jp/ at all then, we might as well all be on /int/.

>>18874382
you haven't been in many /djt/ threads here then, threads like these happen once or twice every two weeks, don't believe the comparison shots. if any of them were true then /v/ would have the best top quality discussion of any board

>>18874432
im here because this thread needs my prolonged assistance

and im just saying you were already on int to begin with so why not move to that second stage where you can continue improving though having to deal with a whole different breed of awful posting

>>18874432
Yeah, you're right. We might. Let's make an oath to never ever come to /jp/ again!

>>18874436
>threads like these happen once or twice every two weeks
No they don't, pretty much every thread is like this, so much so that the janitor has to purge about 100 posts on every thread. Maybe that's why you get the impression that this thread is better. /int/ has no janny at their beck and call, and even then the quality of posting is much better over there.

>>18874452
this thread has objectively the best non imoto nihongo posted in it that ive seen in a while as well as no flashcard shit

so you mean every thread is good?

あ-あの、で-で-でんわばんごはな-なんですか。

>>18874459
Dude you're insane. There's plenty of flashcard discussion on here all the time. On top of that, it has all the RTK and AJATT bullshit memes running rampant that the /int/ DJT didn't have. This DJT here has been overrun with phleddit normies and shills, it's permanently fucked, with no going back.

>>18874347
Will it really be alright? It feels like a huge blow to my progress, because I very rarely miss days/take breaks

Time for your daily vocab lesson

>>18874475
i mean i dont disagree with there being a unstoppable runaway greenhouse effect here

im just saying i think its in a ok place right now

i mean the threads finally getting over matt and seeing him for what he is

>>18874478
そう思えばそうなるよ

>241 posts
>50 posters
これは本当に快適。
ばんごじゃないです、番号が正解。
そして、私の電話番号はに心あります。

>>18874505
うわ！
>>18874474

t-thanks heisig

>>18873370
>using pronouns
>ever

English is the worst language for encouraging their use.

>>18874505

>Every time you post in /djt/ you must do 100 card reps and read 1 news article in native Japanese

If this happened, everyone would be fluent by now.

>>18874522
this reminds me

>>18874475
pronouns are definitely still a problem how can we save them from their fixation on them

>>18874516
>singing "bulldozing in the sheaves"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKpC3i81VEM

>>18874527
Is my nihongo that bad

>>18874516
just look for the kanji that looks like a big mess where youre raking leaves and other misc debris from the bottom right into a big pile

sup ajatters

>>18874544
ill give you a tip that isnt going to make you perfect immediately but its a good start: get the point across in as few words as possible

nihongo is a language where that is generally being done anyway so if you take this concept to heart youll be effectively communicating instead of making a huge mess

>>18874558
there's no ajatters here, this is an english website

>>18874570
fuck im doing it wrong then

>>18874576
well youre in the right place

>deleted Core to do only mined sentence cards
did i fuck up

>>18874598
There was no reason to delete, so yes, you did. Especially if you were pretty deep into it.

>>18874561
話さないなら、失敗が出来ない。了解した

>>18874604
何もしなければ何も手に入らない

>spent years learning to read and listen to Japanese and can do so at a pretty good level
>whenever I talk to myself in Japanese I sound fucking weird

>>18874598
I'm proud of you anon, it's like throwing away cigarettes

>>18874632
Maybe a Euro language is more your speed.

>>18874637
Too bad he started vaping

>>18874632
i hope youre not one of those weebs that stubs a toe and goes いたたたたたた instead of ow mother fucker

>>18874652
No I have a full fledged conversation with myself in the car like a normal autist.

>>18874644
something better?

>>18874652
It isn't weeb to do that. What else can you do when you're so immersed in the language that expression in Japanese come to mind before any other language you know? It's like going to school with the bread in your mouth, if that's the reflex you had, it isn't your fault. Doesn't make you a weeb.

>>18874691
How is vaping better than smoking cigarettes? At least cigarettes look cool. Vapes kill you AND look stupid.

>>18874701
i mean is there something better than sentence cards

>>18874632
>>18874657
I always do that before going to sleep.
Yesterday I imagined what it would be like to join the world of hero academia.

I would be a really average looking flat chested girl but my quirk is, upon ingesting semen, I turn into a beautiful succubus with talons, horn and tail.
Now here's the thing, I'm actually a guy.

I act out Japanese conversations in my mind all the time.

>>18874700

>>18874734
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fga3ElTLnaE

Can you help me with this last line of a conversation?
>A: "You are pretty sly, aren't you?"
>B: "What are you talking about, A..."
>B: "お前も...ナカマじゃないか"
Is B telling A that they are friends or B is telling A that they are the same (sly)?
If it's the latter, shouldn't B use 同じ instead of nakama?

step 1: prepare yourself
step 2: read all the time
step 3: take amphetamines
step 4: repeat steps 2 and 3 until you reach success

>>18874804
ナカマ is common (but I think slangy) to use in that way, meaning someone that has something in common with you

>>18874804
hes unironically calling him his ninja my ninja

>>18874339
It's ok anon, just don't let procrastination become your habit.

>>18874516
What the FUCK is a sheaf? I hate having to look up English words when learning Japanese.

>>18874516
If this shit all has to pass through your head in order to remember one Kanji character, you have no hope of learning the Kanji, let alone Japanese.

>>18874516
Every single one of heisig's tips are piece of crap desu
It's much harder to remember his tips than the Kanji itself

おはよう皆さん
日本語は難しいですよね
では頑張りますよ！
貴方は絶対に出来ますと分かる、俺

>>18875071

>>18874516
I used RTK and it helped immensely to be honest. If you follow the course from the beginning to the end it definitely pays off

todays nihongo word of the day is 透かす

check back tomorrow for the next nihongo word of the day

>>18875106
I'll be there.

>>18875103
I'm thinking of doing RTK, can you answer some questions?
1) When did you start RTK?
2) When did you finish?
3) What did you study before and during RTK?
4) When did you start studying Japanese?
5) How good at Japanese are you right now?

>>18875125
I started RTK last January and finished around october. I would have finished sooner if I hadn't stopped for a month during the early stages. I read grammar guides and VNs on the side during RTK. I started studying jap late December 2016. I can read basically any moege without a text-hooker, and always have a good idea of what is going on. I can read Light Novels easily with Yomichan.

>>18874516
>A popular mnemonic device for this character is: リンカーンはアメリカンコーヒーを３杯飲んだ. Here's how it works: リンカーンは⇒林＋缶＋ワ アメリカンコーヒーを⇒米＋コ＋ヒ ３杯飲んだ⇒ノ＋ノ＋ノ.

>>18874516
Writing 憂鬱 fills me with depression!

So I got roped into the Wanikani meme a while back, at the time the organization and being able to just effortlessly grind kanji without needing to think too much appealed to me and I got through like 20 levels then tried to read stuff and realized to my great disappointment that a lot of the words they taught me weren't actually all that useful, and even worse they taught me none of the kana only stuff which makes up a lot of actual reading so I couldn't read much of anything. Dropped everything in disappointment a few weeks later after my motivation took a serious hit, now it's been some months and thinking of getting back into it but just with a normal anki deck, what recommends most? Just Core2k/6k/30k/whatever? Or is there something better now? I'd like to get into reading/mining too but I feel like I should at least get some of those early kana-only words since I feel stunted without them

>>18874652
that actually makes me curious, what other phrases and such are strictly anime? I was thinking about this earlier and couldn't decide if whispering あつい when you like bite into something hot is one
also I feel like just going いた isnt really anime, but i can understand いたたたたた

>>18875279
>I feel like just going いた isnt really anime
It is if you're white, you fucking weeaboo.

How many of you became fluent without a teacher?

I am a shut-in sperg and the local community college doesn't offer japanese.

>>18875306
Yeah, if you're not a native Japanese and you say いた when you stubbed a toe you're clearly a fucking weaboo.

I still say أَسْتَغْفِرُ اللّٰه when I stubbed my toe and I hadn't used the language for 15 years

>>18875306
lick-gs allowed to say it

http://youtu.be/xwTGLqgDkzA#t=1051

>>18875256
Read the guide. It describes what /djt/ would recommend to you. The best deck is your own mined deck, but before I would recommend you to read a grammar guide like Tae Kim while doing Core6k until you have reached at most 1k characters. After that you need to BEGIN to read, read, read while creating you own deck. It's also good to contine ythe core6k deck. Good luck, anon

>>18875357
You dodged a bullet. No one learns Japanese from those shitty classes anyway.

>>18875357
I am fluent in reading but probably not writing, speaking or listening yet. 90% thanks to eroge only

>>18875125
Not the guy you're replying to, but I'm >18873037 >>18873166
1) April 2012
2) July/August 2012
3) 10 years of watching anime (no, it does not teach you japanese, no matter how much you want it to)
4) Technically sometime around 2002...I guess? But I barely learned the Kana back then. I started studying properly in 2012.
5) See my quoted post. I passed the winter 2015 JLPT N1. I also did the JCAT around the same time. I haven't taken any other tests since then, but I'm relatively sure I've continued improving, because JLPT N1 isn't actually as amazing as people make it seem.

>>18875125
Not the guy you're replying to, but I'm >18873037 >>18873166 (You)
1) April 2012
2) July/August 2012
3) 10 years of watching anime (no, it does not teach you japanese, no matter how much you want it to)
4) Technically sometime around 2002...I guess? But I barely learned the Kana back then. I started studying properly in 2012.
5) See my quoted post. I passed the winter 2015 JLPT N1. I also did the JCAT around the same time. I haven't taken any other tests since then, but I'm relatively sure I've continued improving, because JLPT N1 isn't actually as amazing as people make it seem.

>>18875494
Too late Arnold.

>>18875482
さすが jews are the deep state, no fear of doxxing.

>>18875502
Yeah, the archive got it as well. Well, I'm sure the Internet will forget

Am I the only one that struggle with mining?
>paste sentence
>pitch accent add on doesn't recognize word, must get it manually
>audio doesn't have the right pitch accent, must get it manually
>meaning auto loaded but is still unclear, must check a japanese dictionnary
>now I want the meaning in my own native language because it's easier to remember
>google image

>>18875507
dont worry about it arnie most of your post is agreeable but your test score leaves a bit to be desired

10 years of anime certainly doesnt teach you nihongo but its sort of like rtk where youve put yourself in a better spot to actually learn nihongo should you actually start trying

>>18875507
Why would an accountant need to learn Japanese though?

>>18875520
>push R button (or equivalent button in Yomi)
>finished

Spend the time you waste making your flashcards pretty reading and you'll be better at Japanese with less tedium.

>>18875279
Since when is reacting to hot things with 熱い anime-exclusive? Haven't you ever seen a variety show, where a contestant or similar has to deal with something scalding hot? 痛 is also completely normal, next you'll tell me that people don't say 美味しそう or basic shit like 難しいな. It only sounds weird when a foreigner does it, because their pronunciation is way off (think foreigners swearing in English) and are visibly making a conscious effort to say it.

>>18875520
What do you need google images for?

>>18875526
>10 years of anime certainly doesnt teach you nihongo
Actually a Finn on /int/ DJT did just that.

>>18875549
well i guess he started trying at some point inside that 10 years

>>18875532
I'm not using it for work (and I hope I'll never have to, because japanese work conditions sound horrible) also, I'm not an accountant

>>18875279
>いたたたたた
I've watched enough Gaki no Tsukai back in the day to know this isn't exclusive to anime

>>18875562
Update your LinkedIn then.

>>18875442
Aight thanks I'll check the guide then.

>>18875574
leave arnie alone that shit has no place in our sacred anonymous christian nihongo thread

>>18875574
That's not me, I don't even have a LinkedIn account

>>18875586
It's not like I'm doxxing him when I pretty much could with the info he posted. I'm not such an asshole though, so no worries Arnie-boy.

it would be a shame if someone told arnie's family that he did rtk

>talking to friends about japanese
>they say 'ive watched anime for years im pretty sure i know basic japanese'
YOU DONT LEARN JAPANESE FROM ANIME YOU FUCKS

>>18875615
Keyword is ''basic'' though. I'd have no trouble believing that anyone can learn very basic Japanese through anime.

>>18873270
>What the fuck is this?
The opposite of 円安

>>18875615
did you start ブチかますing all kinda nasty nihongo so sick wit it at them and put them in they place

Someone on reddit (oh no) found an old japanese textbook:
https://imgur.com/a/xwTDnKB
Not a single kanji anywhere and Hepburn romanization.
No wonder people still think learning Japanese is impossible, you basically *have* to fail like that

>>18875637
that is the good book right there look at that shit its beautiful

>>18875643
Someone post the Yokohama Dialect one

>>18875637
That's not Hepburn, that's bullshit. Also someone tell me how I start a pitch accent at ん

>>18875637
> A tutor who has not had technical linguistic training should not attempt technical explanations about Japanese.
Welp, that's it, DJT can pack up now.

>>18875669
this is the greatest book of all time

>>18875125
>1) When did you start RTK?
January
>2) When did you finish?
Actually just finished
>3) What did you study before and during RTK?
I did Tae Kim in parallel and listened to 2 hours of audio per day, looking up any words I heard.
>4) When did you start studying Japanese?
January
>5) How good at Japanese are you right now?
I lack a lot of vocabulary because I haven't really mined much manga yet, but I'm starting that now

>>18875655

>>18875700
Jiggy jiggy fooney

>>18875700
as much as i love "watarkshi" that book is fuckin nonsense as opposed to that real ninja book

excuse me "watarkshee"

>>18875740
That's because it isn't actually trying to teach japanese, it's about the pidgin language sailors in Yokohama developed to manage some kind of basic communication.

>>18875615
>you don't learn japanese from anime
Maybe if you're a baka.

>>18875745
Watarkoosh (only used by owners of coal mines and millionaires)

>>18872125
hey dude i thought of you be grateful

number them with the numbers shown here >>18875700

>「そのためにはまず、保科君の悩みを聞かせてもらえないことには話にならないわけだけど……」
Can someone break this down for me? What exactly is going on here, "if he doesn't converse about his troubles... I don't get the part after なら

>>18875863
There's no conditional なら there, it's 話にならない.

>>18875682
How can you like this when it's entirely
>production

>>18875863
話にならない is a fixed expression

>>18875615
>friend chats with some nips online over voice
>says he basically understands everything they say
>only knows like 200 words from using jisho
i love my dude but lol

So why is Yotsuba so highly recommended as beginner reading material?
I've been reading Takagi-san, which seems a lot easier because you don't have any weird dialects/speech patterns to worry about.

>>18875886
you must learn spoken under the supervision of a licensed professional to some degree before you learn written so the sacred real ninja scroll dictates

or you end up wondering how your ninja nakamas can do it like this guy >>18875911

>>18875911
I mean if the guy goes on and did a lexical research and learned like the 200 most common words used in the anime he watched, I guess he could say he "basically" understands everything they say. Also, with anime he had audiovisual help.

>>18875911
He might have been telling the truth, if they only used words he understands because they know he's a dekinai

>>18875920
The guide was initially made at the peak of Yotsuba's popularity as /a/'s "thing", I imagine.

>>18875920
``Tradition'', more than anything. I would also consider 高木さん easier. However, I think one thing people forget to mention about those beginner-friendly manga is that they're easy because there's so little text. 惡の華 in particular has several pages with no text, so no wonder it's easy to read. Compare them to something like ドラえもん for instance.

>>18875920
yotuba was always 100% a bullshit rec but thats how it goes all we can do is make things better than how they were before we got here : )

>>18875921
>>18875926
he only recently starting watching anime but doesnt read, it's probably just this >>18875932 because it's on vrchat and they just talk about memes

>>18875941
>Compare them to something like ドラえもん for instance.
If I have the power I'd force every Western Japanese learners to read Doraemon at least once.

It does have a place in Japanese culture, yeah? It's one of the longest running children's series, and I believe Doraemon was a mascot for some sports event and is recognized as a Japanese citizen? I might be thinking of Astro Boy.

point is people should read more doraemon it's a good ass manga

>>18875948
just accept your boys fuckin nihongo pera pera and doesnt need thousands of flashcards or 10 years of watching anime to get his beak wet

>>18875966
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEo87oaQXZY

>>18875962
doraemon crew represent

>>18875971
just fuckin accept it

>>18875920
there are no "weird dialects/speech patterns", you're just retarded

>>18875962
>it's a good ass manga

Recommend me some good ass-manga

>>18875977
The problem is that Yotsuba (the character) is retarded, because she's a child

window girl.swf is a good ass manga

>>18875986
とらぶる

>振らなければ
>振らなけりゃ
>振らなきゃ
>振んなきゃ
I didn't know that there's a step between なければ and なきゃ, since TK just said pic related. I also didn't know of the らな becoming んな, I only knew about の becoming ん. So much to learn, so much to memorize!

Any other uses for that りゃ thing?

>few katakana words starting to appear in core
>haven't touched katakana since I learned it a month ago

I am so fucking lazy to spend a day reviewing it

>>18875941
I wouldn't really say that Takagi-san has little text, but there's a lot of repetition which also helps with making things easy to understand.

the best beginner's manga is the one you're most likely to understand even if you don't recognize a lot of the words or grammar patterns

>>18876025
You won't learn japanese with that attitude.
If you can't even spend that much effort, you should just stop learning now before you waste even more time.

>>18876025
Just look up a katakana chart or something.

>>18876066

>>18876066
Nice diary, where do I subscribe

>>18876045
reminds me of that compelling content buzzword the kids used to like to use

>>18876066
epic

>>18876048
I put in plenty of effort generally, no need to make assumptions there buddy. I'll get around to it, it's just boring.

>>18876025
Katakana is a part of japanese, and it's used a lot even for things that aren't loanwords. You really shouldn't skip it

How did you guys approach your first read through of Tae kim? Did you take notes? Or just literally read through it? I'm confused as to how I'm meant to retain anything just be reading it even under the assumption that I understand the content.

>>18876100
Just literally read through it because you won't understand in what way to correctly internalize the beginning parts until you've been exposed for Japanese for long enough to have finished reading it.

>>18876100
i approached it expecting to laugh but then saw it was actually a pretty decent rag and nodded sagely

>>18876100
Just read through it once, to learn what it covers, then look things up as you need them while reading.

Here's something for the more advanced learners (I'm sure there are at least some in here)
http://www.geocities.jp/niwasaburoo/maegaki.html
It's a japanese grammar guide written in japanese

>>18876171
oh i always wanted to learn how to read ninja scrolls

>>18871647
Does it have furigana?

>>18876171
Are these question marks normal or are my fonts fucked?
http://www.geocities.jp/niwasaburoo/00hajimey.html

>>18876171
>>18876213
Yeah it's fucked for me too

it doesn't declare encoding correctly, you have to use firefox or install an extension that overrides page encodings

>>18876213
Same for me

>>18876213
>>18876219
he said advanced learners nice fuckin self own

>>18876237
Damn I didn't think of that

Someone make a "You don't even know how to use a computer" 出来ないちゃん, I'm too lazy to do it myself and the /int/ BR that does them is dead.

>>18876213
The site is fucked up, you need to change the encoding to Japanese (EUC-JP)

>>18876213

>>18876246
nah that fuckin memes dead now dude weve moved on

>typed ふく with google-IME
>it offered to autocomplete it to "" before it offered "服"

>>18876276
you're supposed to hit space if it's a perfect match, not tab
also your ime's conversion table is broken

>>18876276
IMEs remember your used words, so you probably used whatever it recommended you recently.
(I'm assuming you actually wanted to write a word there, not just empty quotation marks)

>>18876308
Not a word but a T-shirt emoji.
Wasn't aware 4chan blocks them (or just doesn't support them?)

>>18876333
4chan strips everything tagged as an emoji to counteract forced spam.

>>18876344
>forced spam
What?

>>18875106
yeah good word I read it.

>>18875106
I literally cannot stop reading this as とかす

>>18875106
I learned carved that kanji into my liver by reading harry potter books
>透明マント

>>18873119
what

>>18876349
Don't listen to him, emojis are great!

>>18876371
here ill help you not forget it http://youtu.be/yFszZmLUx7k#t=68

its used in the first round of the rap battle (can you understand how?)

先発 sets it up and 後発 knocks it out the box cuz its lick mother fuckin g the greatest of all time