/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Good End: Kouji kills Saya
Normal End: Asylum End
Bad End: That other one

Good end: Saya has Fuminori's kids
Normal end: asylum
Bad end: Saya and Fuminori die

>>1884349
This

Good - Germination end
Bad - White end
Neutral - Kouji end

>>1884349

For me it was almost
Good end: asylum
Happy Saya end: Saya has Fuminori's kids
Bad end: FFFFFFF

Good End: Asylum
This was a pretty heartwarming counterpoint to the rest of the game.
Normal End: Fuminori and Saya die
Bad End:Fuminori lives

>>1884342

I'll second this. I identified more with Kouji far more than Fumimori. He seemed more like the average guy thrown into a horrible situation and a reason for revenge. Fuminori lost his sense of humanity and empathy after choosing to keep his senses the way they are, essentially choosing to forever see humanity as disgusting and alien. This may seem like a matter of his own preference, but when he talks about killing other people as if it's an average thing and enslaving and deforming a girl, he's far worse than the monsters that he sees everyone else as. Of course, this is just what I got out of the story, so I'm not saying this as an absolute.

Awesome: Kouji
Romantic: Others

>>1884342
>>1884382
Oh i almost forgot that /jp/ full of normalfags. Or moralfags?

Bad - Germination
Good - Kouji
Normal - Asylum

>>1884395
Now you're just being ridiculous.

>>1884395

Not our problem Fuminori became a prick while Kouji was out for justified revenge.

Good end:Saya has your kids
Normal:Kouji one
Bad:Asylum

Good: Germination
Good: Asylum
Bad: Kouji

Bad: Kouji
Worse: Asylum
Worst: Germination

Neutral: Asylum
Neutral: Germination
Worst: Koiji

It's interesting that I consider the germination end a bad end, while I consider the analogous ending in Slouching Towards Bedlam ( http://ifdb.tads.org/viewgame?id=032krqe6bjn5au78 ) a good end. I think this is because Saya is presented as female, but the entity in STB is masculine.

>>1884430
so basically you are gay

>>1884433
No, I don't want humanity consumed by femininity. Saya makes humans worse, the logos makes them better.

>>1884442
>I don't want humanity consumed by femininity.
sorry, you lost already.

>>1884442
>Saya makes humans worse,

... Huh? The human civilization evolves thanks to her.

>>1884442
Saya's intelligence was considerably beyond human intelligence. How does it make the human race worse?

>>1884463
>>1884471
Before she accidentally absorbed some human culture, Saya was a purely instinct driven reproduction machine. Even afterwards, she was at best a slightly flawed instinct driven reproduction machine (on the level of a human female). Even assuming she converts everyone to match her modified form instead of her original form, this is a great step back for humanity.

>>1884477
>bawww they look ugly now

>>1884471

Yet she never displays any sense of empathy towards humans, except for Fuminori because he was the only one to find her attractive. To her, they're either food, obstacles, or toys. Moreover, while she has the intelligence to rewrite genetic structures, she has all the maturity of a child. I would rather live among a mature society than a more intelligent society.

The only acceptable end is Germination end. All others result in failure.

>>1884477
Her psyche was alien and she saw humans as tools but that doesn't make her less mature. She used her intellect and self-restraint to keep her instinct in check until she meet the man she loved.

The germination caused humanity to transform into organisms capable of vast intelligence without losing any of our history and culture. She made us capable of surviving over the long term in a Lovecraftian world.

>>1884477

1)Her species does not look for new species to rewrite/modify, they come to her when they're capable of dimensional travel
2)It's not clear if the new organisms will share the same traits or goals(spread to new worlds)
3)It's not even clear how much of saya's characteristics they will inherit, but the little information given in the game points to that she had an intelligence beyond human capabilities
4)Humans reproduce too, this won't change that much, while Saya doesn't exactly reproduce such as humans in that they create a new organism, but more of a form of meta-reproduction, where she derives/creates a new species

>>1884480
We didn't lose any of our cultural heritage during the transformation. We only gained forms capable of surviving better. Saya may have been playful but she was mature by the standards of her kind. In fact she had so much self control that she was able to bypass her main instinct to reproduce until she found someone who she could love in the human sense of the word.

>>1884491

1. It doesn't matter if she actively searches or not, the result for humanity is unchanged.
2. They obviously share the same traits and goals, as there is no way they could have evolved otherwise. The culture absorbing trait is weak, and as it has no obvious evolutionary explanation we can only assume that Saya's summoning was highly unusual by multiversal standards and it is only a side effect of the intelligence (which is also very weakly justified).
3. Intelligence doesn't mean her thought process is anything like that of humans, or even that she has conscious thought at all.
4. The reproduction isn't the problem, it's the likely loss of all other goals.

>>1884498
Or she had so little self control that she was unable to prevent herself from being influenced by human culture. A sign of immaturity, but as a probably mindless animal "maturity" is meaningless to her..

>>1884518
4)Is that your way of saying "I'd rather like my slowly evolving shaky human society?"

>>1884498

I think the line in playfulness is crossed when she rapes the girl that she thinks tried to seduce Fuminori and breaks her into being a slave. She also didn't seem to care when the man she changed killed his own family. As for the issue of survival, there was nothing that really threatened mankind as a whole. Sure, there are plenty of "what ifs" that may or may not happen far down the line, but that's all they are at that point in the story. She's really just there to fall in love and reproduce. In the end, I can't say either end is a perfect right or wrong, that pretty much depends on the one who reads it. Whether it's good that humanity becomes stronger by no longer really being human.

>>1884535
No, I hate it, but it as least has the potential to become something better. Saya's world is static.

>>1884536
[spoilers]She's there ONLY to reproduce, the falling in love part was an accident. It's also evidence that human culture is rare and valuable, because if memetically infectious culture were common then there would be evolutionary pressure on Saya-organisms to resist it.[/spoiler]

>>1884536
She's there ONLY to reproduce, the falling in love part was an accident. It's also evidence that human culture is rare and valuable, because if memetically infectious culture were common then there would be evolutionary pressure on Saya-organisms to resist it.

>>1884537
Why is it static? Humanity just changed form, it's to be assumed that the knowledge/culture is retained, individual changes would be physical form and intellectual processes. Most of the details are not specified, so we're left to imagine our own possible future.

>>1884518
Saya displays problem solving and reasoning. She is very capable of conscious thought. You seem to be reaching to show that she has nothing more than a below-human level of consciousness and you are consistently failing to do so.

Using the Lovecraft canon her method of summoning was extremely common. In fact the Silver Key is mentioned as being important to the summoning.

You claim the culture absorbing trait is weak but we see from the story that it was an effective measure of securing a steady supply of genetic material.

>>1884530
Being influenced by new information is a sign of immaturity? On the contrary she used this new information to better adapt to her surroundings.

>>1884557

True, I probably misread the part where the doctor was talking about her reproduction and whether or not it was a flaw with her in particular. I didn't want to assume that it was a flaw in one organism, though.

>>1884557
If we are using the Lovecraftian canon the story uses then the human race and its culture is anything but rare and valuable. In fact it is insignificant and soon to be short-lived.

>>1884558
Because human culture is a result of evolutionary pressures on animals living in groups. Saya-organism reproduction is jellyfish style, there is no possibility culture could evolve. She almost certainly doesn't even have consciousness. The fact that she is infected by human memes to the point that her reproductive potential is greatly harmed shows that culture is rare in the multiverse.

>>1884573
Except that she does have consciousness. She is able to take in information and adjust her thinking to obtain her goals. That is conscious thought.

The entire point of her reproduction is to adapt to other alien cultures (if they have other cultures). To understand human culture itself would more than likely require conscious thought.

>>1884563
It's a means of obtaining sperm at the cost to risking her entire ability to breed. Considering all the other possibilities of obtaining sufficient information to modify a species, this is a very great weakness. It is not "maturity", it is her species having no evolved resistance to harmful memes because of lack of exposure to culture. You are making the very common false assumption of scifi writers that "intelligent" automatically means "human-like". Just because sexual selection is the most obvious driving force for evolution of intelligence, does not make it the only possibility. Saya does not reproduce sexually, because that would limit the range of species she could convert. Intelligence obviously helps her convert more species, but I don't see how it could have naturally evolved, as unlike most features of sexually reproducing creatures it only becomes useful to her at an advanced level. I conclude that Saya-organisms were intelligently designed by a higher intelligence (the Lovecraftian elder gods?), possibly as biological weapons.

>>1884584
[spoilers]She does display some human-like behavior (eg. revenge, jealously), but this is more likely a result of human meme infection than anything innate. The entire point of her reproduction is not to adapt to other cultures, because that would be the death of the Saya-organism. Other creatures are only raw material to be converted into more Saya-organisms.[/spoiler]

>>1884590
In fact it is mentioned that she may be a construct from another race and frankly it sound very plausible. Saya sounds like something Shub-Niggurath would create for some kicks. That still doesn't mean she is incapable of conscious thought.

/jp/ - Evolutionary Biology and Lovecraft

DISCUSSION..TOO.. DEEP
MUST.. GET.. TO IDOL THREAD...

Gonna throw my 2 cents.
Saya wasnt souless incubator, as you describe her. She really had a soul, soul of little girl. Creators said it many times, at least after Yoh scene and in papa's dairys. Also after she was raped, she said, that she just wanted someone also to love her. And on top there was 1st ending, where she cried but did nothing in the end.

>>1884737
She WAS ``soulless'', she discovered feelings because of how her race is. She learns incredibly fast and absorbs everything around her. She ``got'' a soul from reading all those books Ougai gave her.

This thread is so BLACK that it almost scare me.

>>1884342
>>1884382
I agree completely.

>>1884745
copy you think? doubtful

Germination end is the good end.

When you think about it, there are some parallels with Heaven's Feel.

Good End: Next step of human evolution
Normal End: Next step of human evolution delayed
Bad End: Batshit crazy fucker kills mai waifu

>>1884463
But can I play the piano anymore?

>>1884870
you can. tentacles are very useful you know

>>1884870
Probably not, but as a trade off you probably get to taste music and write sheet music using non-euclidean geometric shapes

You know... I've been wondering. How did the professor view Saya? Did he see her like Fuminori did?

His diary entries seem pretty objective for the most part, but he seems aware of Saya's true nature. Yet he doesn't seem disturbed by her either. And something in his head had to be off for him to be able to summon her in the first place...

>>1884881
he saw her as everyone also does. But he didn't gave a fuck. True man

>>1884881
I would assume he performed the operation on himself so that he could see Saya in her true form.

I, for one, applaud his selfless sacrifice for the good of science and humanity.

>>1884894
>true form
oh you. Also in this case i belive she wouldn't need fuminori at all

>>1884894
I had kinda considered that myself, since when she first met Fuminori, didn't she say he was the only person besides her dad that wasn't afraid of her? If the prof could alter his perceptions to match her own, Fuminori's adjustment after the accident might have been intentional as well.

But I kinda lean towards the professor just having a cast iron stomach and a drive to understand so powerful it overcomes any fear or disgust.

>>1884917
*him
i mean

>>1884910
yeah right, he saw a naked girl, but keep write "he", until she asked her for semen

>>1884901
I think he distanced himself from Saya because of the trouble he was in. He tried to smuggle her into the hospital to do more tests, got caught and went on the lam. If he brought her with him it would have risked exposing her.

He did seem to be suffering from some sort of terrible guilt when he went to his lab and ate some lead, and I doubt he was agonizing about what he unleashed upon the world.

>>1884890

This. Some (but not most) lovecraftian characters DON'T go into quivering balls everytime they see a cockroach or a squiggle in a foreign language.

Goddamn, this has got to be the worst way to die.

Would anon kill himself or die of starvation first?

>>1884917
this, to people thinking ougai saw saya as Fuminori did

or maybe he was just gay as hell

Germination is the only true end.
Though BAWWWW at my waifu dying, how the fuck is Fuminori supposed to be happy without her?

>>1884956
he died to

>>1884943
Yeah, I think I agree. I believe Saya said Fuminori was the only one to see her like that, which is why she stole his medical charts to understand what was making him like that. But like Ryouko, the professor was probably so far off the deep end that it amounted to the same thing anyway.

>>1884966
Are you thinking Kouji end? Cause in Germination I thought Saya just changes humanity and dies in the process leaving Fuminori behind.

>>1884956
looks like you havent saw last one.
>>1884937
>anon
he is worst anon possible.

>>1884966
I wouldn't say that he did.

>>1884931
>I think he distanced himself from Saya because of the trouble he was in. He tried to smuggle her into the hospital to do more tests, got caught and went on the lam. If he brought her with him it would have risked exposing her.

It's to be assumed he brought the new rats species to the hospital. This got him into trouble. Saya didn't come to the hospital except after his death.


He did seem to be suffering from some sort of terrible guilt when he went to his lab and ate some lead, and I doubt he was agonizing about what he unleashed upon the world.
What? No. It clearly says in his diary that he wished for Saya to have a chance for her goal to be fullfilled. He was sad he could not see it through himself. He killed himself to avoid unwanted attention from the hospital, so Saya would have a chance to fullfil her dream.

>>1884982
SHE DOESN'T DIE HOLY SHIT

>>1885021
>this will be my first and last gift to you
>last
...sounds like shes dying to me brah.

>>1884997
Guess I'm remembering wrong about when she got into the hospital. It's been a while.

>>1885047
when she said "first" you faggot?

>>1885051
And 'last'.

Did IQs in this thread just drop sharply while I was away?

I'm glad to see that people are finally realizing that Ougai is the true hero of the story. I love this man.

>>1885056
well she said final, so we can think w\e we want

>>1885058
>Ougai is the true hero of the story.

Oh anon, you card.

>>1885058
ironically, he never appears in VN

>>1885047

He might have killed himself out of disappointment. His notes say that Saya's obsession with romantic love at the end of their research effectively 'neutered' her from accomplishing her biological imperative

>>1884997

Childbirth is a huge risk especially with no doctors or midwives involved so she could have been preparing them both emotionally in case she did die. She delivered the retroviruses that changed both the rats and Yoh without dying and the germination was pretty much the same just on a much larger scale

>>1885069
He does, briefly.[Spoiler] As a corpse[/spoiler]

>>1885066
i dont want to see a face of murder of my waifu anymore, stop it, batshit doc is even better hero than he

>>1885066
He said "the true hero", not "the sidekick".

>>1885077

>>1885083
Fuminori should have raeped Ryouko with Saya's help. It would have been awesome.

>>1885083
The vn could have used an ending in where somehow Fuminori ends up with her. Cause goddamnit was her being insane a turn on.

>>1885047
>>1885056
HURRRR

if you want to see it that way, when Fuminori asks her if it's the end, she says "No, it's only the beginning"

SHE DOESN'T FUCKING DIE HOLY SHIT PEOPLE

>>1885104
>>1885112
hivemind but agreed.

>>1885114
Yeah, but it is still the slightest bit ambiguous so you'll always have people arguing the other possibility.

>>1885114

LOL SAYA IS MY WAIFU SHE NOT DIE XD

>>1885114
Calm the fuck down. There isn't enough concrete evidence to point one way or the other.

>>1885114
beginning for new world. Saya conquested human world, so she became immortal for herself, but i doubt about her identity

>>1885124
>XD
i belive you mean
>TT
but whatever

>>1885124
>I do not know what to answer. I will now pretend what you said doesn't make sense by typing in all caps to ``imitate'' you, even though it's not even close to what you said.

>>1885145
>``faggot quotes''
Post disregarded

>>1885145
He's saying that the idea that Saya died in the end griefs you so much that you refuse to accept it. That's very possible considering how you're so staunchly defending the scenario that she lives as if it's fact.

As many posters have already declared (correctly), it could go either way.

PROVE ME WORNG XD

it's strongly implied that she died. Fuminori either died aswell or became a blob monster like everyone else.

>>1885216
If germination caused her race's death, the author would have specified it in the notes at the end.

>>1885264
how would he know what happens
he just writes observations

feel free to correct me, i dont remember shit

>>1885280
There's tons of shit he wouldn't have normally been able to know but that are in the notes because the author wants us to know. How was he supposed to know they reproduce that way? How was he supposed to know they're from different dimensions? Hell, he knew all that even though Saya was an ``exception''. He couldn't possibly observe that.

>>1885309

That's shitty writing then.

>>1885309
>How was he supposed to know they reproduce that way?
He hypothesized from what he had observed of her abilities.

>How was he supposed to know they're from different dimensions?
He opened the fucking portal that let her come to Earth.

>>1885309
>``faggot quotes''
Post ignored

>>1885377
>shitty writing
Fuck, not this shit again.

>>1885404
>GORDON! GET AWAY FROM THE GENERATOR

>BBBBBBBBZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

>ttaaddaaaiimaaaaa~

Sorry, carry on.

>>1885427

hurts, don't it?

>>1885404
>He hypothesized from what he had observed of her abilities.
So by seeing how fast Saya absorbs knowledge, he immediately realized they normally reproduce by planting seeds in other dimensions, but now they actually wait for people to open portals and then send someone there? Yeah, that sure makes sense.

>>1885419
Faggot quotes are the standard.

>>1885656
You seem to be forgetting that he also closely observed her ability to analyze bend other organisms' biology to her will, and was told by her that she was instinctively driven to do so.

>>1884328

Good: Germination
Bad: Asylum
Normal: Saya & Fuminori die

I'll just leave this here.

>>1885656
>Straw men? I fucking LOVE Straw men!!!

>>1884349
This.

This would make a pretty cool movie.

I dedicate this thread to Saya.

Good: Saya gives birth to fuminori and hers offspring.
Normal: Saya and Fuminori die together
Bad: Fuminori in Mental Hospital

I myself related to Saya more then the other characters and I cant understand why other people didnt either. Plus I think Tentacles are cute.

I think the whole point of the game is, although somewhat too emotionl, that love can bypass many things such as moral, sanity (for Fuminori), or even instinct (for Saya). To me, each end did convey the message but the germination end was the most ideal situation where their love actually created something.
That, and Saya "learnt" her soul pretty much like a kid would with an incredible intelligence. If a baby has fanged tentacles born with it I'm pretty sure it can be no better than Saya.

I'm trying to find some consistent interpretation:

1. Saya has crazy powerful computational ability, exceeding the physical limits of classical computing. As dimensional travel is possible, quantum computing is likely also possible, and primality testing is highly suited to quantum algorithms.
2. Saya cannot cross dimensions herself (other than by quantum computing), and only waits to be summoned.
3. Saya can create mechanisms to modify other creatures. She had to learn about DNA first so this generalizes to any life form. Reconstructing a complete genome from sperm is stupid and inefficient, so this was added only as an excuse for porn scenes, and Saya can actually analyze any cell.
4. Ougai assumes Sayas will subsume the culture of creatures they transform, but Saya germinates after analyzing only a few humans. Transforming humans without "breaking" them is tricky even for Saya, and even with her superintelligence there is no way she could create a mechanism that safely and remotely transforms all humans in all their genetic diversity with so little information. Saya does not care about culture at all (see 5).
5. Sayas follow extreme r-selection reproduction strategy. This is consistent with lack of culture, but makes it very unlikely that they have evolved superintelligence.
6. Saya appears to have no resistance to infectious memes that destroy her reproductive ability. This implies her species did not evolve with exposure to culture, but her reproduction strategy depends on alien cultures (see 2)!
7. From 5 and 6, Saya did not evolve at all. This is consistent with Ougai's speculation.

So why did the higher intelligence create Sayas? They are inefficient as biological weapons (see Asylum end). Maybe it is a kind of test, where only cultures that have a strong meme of romantic love can survive. But why would something that approves of love create such an unreliable test, where many "innocent" cultures will be destroyed? I can only conclude that Saya is some kind of joke of a chaotic god, and I don't think this is dramatically compelling.

Also, I very much doubt that a small flask of LN2 could freeze solid a roughly human sized creature covered in slime. And how was it transported? The flask would have exploded if it was sealed.

Saya was a gift to mankind.

Sure we have to get used to our new forms...
Just look how fast Saya learned. We will soon built spaceships and populate the universe.

>>1887282
It is only *failed* love that saves humanity in the Asylum end, so the "test" scenario is false. And while it's Lovecraftian for humans to be destroyed for seeking knowledge of powerful beings, it is not Lovecraftian for those beings to prepare a complicated trap for the humans in advance. Saya no Uta is a bad story.

>>1887318
durf hurf anything that isn't written by lovecraft is bad durf

>>1887318
What if Saya changes to rape after a few years?

>>1887315
and be really smelly and ugly

>>1887335
Im already really smelly and ugly

So no changes at all

>>1887279


2. I think they can cross on their own at least once but in order to find a suitably intelligent species more efficiently they wait to be called rather than searching blindly for intelligent life throughout every dimension. The professors summoning was probably more of a beacon than a compulsion.

4. If certain cultural elements weren't able to survive the transformation then maybe Sayas race wouldn't consider them worthy of keeping, anyways. But the elements that did survive would become part of that colony's, if not commuted to the entire race somehow.

6. Saya's vulnerability to the romance "meme" might be a "nothing of value" limiter that would prevent the germination of an unsuitable species or world. She sees our world as a desert after all, at least metaphorically.

Since Saya dies in every end, or is going to at some point in the close future there's no good end.

>>1887462
If she dies before germinating that's a good end.

>>1887462
she doesn't in asylum

>>1887467
Nice trolling there buddy.

>>1887478
Why do you hate humanity?

>>1887469
It didn't seem like she can suppress the germination though, so her dying is pretty much certain in my opinion.

>>1887480
It's not that I hate humanity, it's just that Saya is superior in every way.

>>1887480
why do you like it? Humanity is quite bad, when you look closer.

>>1887480
hurr hurr derp derp

Humanity is mostly mindless breeding machines, but with potential to be something better. Saya is only mindless breeding machine.

>>1887536
Mindless? She could put Albert Einstein to shame.

>>1887536
>but with potential to be something better.
However about 95% of current humanity just messing their DNA for nothing.

>>1887279
4.genetically human is not so diverse so if she did find out enough from Fuminori then with her intelligence there is not much to find from other people (she certainly had her theories established from books and DNA of other small animals). Since she considered it enough I don't think she is gonna change many human in very radical ways that make them unable to continue their culture, or make a new culture. Moreover, it could be that for beings as intelligent as Saya, a culture or a society is meaningless.
6.Saya had resistence to such memes but it's her own will that was supressing her instinct, so in a way she is very special, just like Ougai said. However, considering how powerful her kind is, it is likely that they do not live in a society or in any group at all. Maybe they evolved out of a culture and became lone masterminds that aim to change a civilizaiton by itself.

Evolutionary biology and Lovecraft:
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2007/11/an-alien-god.html

Everyone who thinks Saya is good for humanity, please consider how such a creature could have come into existence.

>>1887594
Who cares?
Saya is just too adorable.

>>1887594
You're on /jp/, nobody here is or wants something good for humanity(you bleeding hears out there are just hypocrites).

>>1887913
Hear, hear.

Does it actually show Saya's real self through any of these endings?

>>1887955
no, you never see her true form or get an accurate description.

>>1887838
That's the same attitude that led Shirou to fail at life in Heavens Feel.

>>1887955
it depends, on what you mean by "real self"
>>1887958
she clearly have tentacles and slime

>>1887955
>>1887958
I, for one, imagine her as Cthulhu.

>>1887961
He fails at life anyway, so what?

>>1887970

Real self, as in: what Takahata would have seen before she got eaten.

>>1887594

Her initial form? Obviously you have to consider alternate dimensions into this, so perhaps conditions that let her race prosper at first were suitable (I don't know how, it's a different fucking dimension for christsake)

They are very intelligent, but one would have to question whether or not they came up with "advancing" their own reproduction or whatnot or if it was a freak accident that caused more to spawn in other realities and thus starting the chain.

You could argue that they were genetically engineered in other dimensions by other races. Maybe they're using them to subdue the rest of the universe.

>>1887961
The big difference though is that unlike Sakura Saya is definitely worth sacrificing humanity for.
In my humble opinion at least.

>>1888005
Like the BETA from MuvLuv? Golly Jolly.

>>1887999
then there wasnt anything accurate, just GARGHHH DISGUSTING FLESH MONSTER in Kouji's end

>>1888015
How do you know? There's no clear proof either way, but as an r-selection reproductive strategist it's overwhelmingly likely that she is harmful to human culture. This is not something you should gamble with.

>>1888027

It would have to be something a bit more horrific and grotesque than just a pile of moving flesh. Kouji doesn't seem the type to literally go apeshit and instantly focus on killing if he saw a lump of flesh. It would have to be something a bit more offensive. Perhaps something in her body odour/slime/shape or structure triggers some kind of hormone, idk.

>>1888042
Obviously it's horrifying non-Euclidean geometry.

i want to belive..

You don't see Saya's true form because what someone drew would never live up to the description. Just looking at Saya makes people go mad, so a drawing should atleast repulse you. But we've all seen tentacle porn before, a drawing of that doesn't even phase us.

>>1888042
nor ryoko, neither kouji was that afraid of saya, after yoh.

>>1888051
Much too human looking.

>>1888055
But they still ended up permanently fucked up in the head.

>>1888055

ryoko is insane already.

Kouji WAS scared, he was shitting himself in terror when Saya grabbed him. He was merely on an adrenaline rush and once he knew he was stronger than Saya he wasn't "afraid" of her anymore, doesn't mean he didn't find it repulsive.

>>1888062

And Kouji is pretty much insane post the encounter too.

>>1888040
>harmful to human culture
As I said.
If I was in Fuminoris position I wouldn't really care if she fucked humanity over. In fact I'd do things mostly like he did, except that I wouldn't fuck You since she's disgusting.

>>1888053

And, in the absence of any clear depiction, people are free to fill it in with their own interpretations of sheer horror.

>>1887987
If we take it in Lovecraftian terms, Saya's kind is much more like a Shoggoth then a Great Old One or even less an Outer God.

Alien enough to cause minds to snap with merely a gaze, yet biologically mundane enough to we somewhat identified with due to her primary function being a highly specialized variant of the "normal" life function of reproduction. Also possibly engineered by another race somewhere for nefarious purposes. . .

Yup, shes a loli shoggoth, only more tentaclly then amoeba like

True End: Kouji survives
Mixed Feelings End: Kouji Dies, Humanity forcefully and unwillingly evolves
Delayed End: Asylum

>>1888070
Your brain is feminine, valuing emotion over ideals. You are what is wrong with the world.

>>1888083
What if humanity is at odds with his ideals?

>>1888083
I didn't have ideals in the first place.

>>1888090
I don't see how nihilism can be classified as an "ideal".

>>1888083
Actually its more caring about yourself than it is the whole world, working to protect your own happiness at the cost of the world.

Rather killing Saya and saving humanity would make you more like Shirou/Archer and thus a complete and total moralfag, especially since you would be killing off your only happiness at the same time.

>>1888083
>valuing emotion over ideals
Both are shit. You are a faggot.

>>1888083
sorry, ideals only work in common situations, when you became crazy ideals may change

>>1888098
You are part of the world. The world's happiness is your happiness. Better to be a moralfag than just a plain fag.

>>1888108
I'd rather be a fag than get my precious Saya getting killed.
Enjoy your mutations.

>You are part of the world.
i'll argue

>>1888108
>The world's happiness is your happiness
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, OH WOW.

>>1888108 The world's happiness is your happiness.
This goes against everything I believe in.

>>1888108
I lol'd.
You are clearly out of place here.

>>1888108
This is what sheeple actually believe.

>>1888108
Hello there friend!

in b4 i get banned for posting the truth

>>1888124
>sheeple
Go fuck yourself, faggot.

>>1885612
/jp/ -Where Half-Life Meets Cthulhu Loli

>>1888134
ARGH WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU POST THAT FUCKING PICTURE GET IT AWAY

>>1888134
Lol, I spammed that everywhere last week.

>>1888134
>saya.jpg
oh you.
But that story was funny

>>1888134
I also posted the full thing in /a/ without getting banned. WOOT

>>1888124
No, it's an uncommon belief.

>>1888134
I don't think thats graphic enough to depict Saya, I felt only slightly upset in my stomach about it.

So, other than HF Shirou's and Fuminori's desire to protect the one they love, I don't see any other connections between them to say they are like-minded.

hi, hun. I'm home.

>Saya !jt6veMtqNc
>Lol
>WOOT
So it goes.

>>1888156
Protect the one they love despite the fact that the one they love, isn't exactly after the best interests of humanity.

Both Sakura and Saya killed people mercilessly and consumed them, with their ultimate goals affecting all of humanity (either extinction by Angra Manyu or mutation by LOLGERMINATION).

So in reality both are working to protect their love against the entire world. There are alot of similarities.

>>1888156
FSN is generic so it's easy to compare stuff to it, just like everything is a "ripoff" of Star Wars in some way.

>>1888163
Good End: Germination- Obama ceases to exist as a human...oh wait...
Bad End: Obama lives
Normal End: Meh

>>1888134
Adorable!

Good end: Fuminori kisses axe

Sup guys can I be a new tripfag related to this game too?

>>1888175
That's because Star Wars IS a big rip-off. It was purposefully created by taking a bunch of old Hollywood ideas and putting them together into one film.

>>1888174

Shirou wants to save her from that fate. If he saves her, he saves humanity too.

>>1888175
> just like everything is a "ripoff" of Star Wars in some way.


Because Lucas built Star Wars from the ground up on the most skeletal form of the "myth cycle" which is the basic plotline for almost every myth the world over.

F/SN is a agglomerate of multiple such myths and thus becomes "generic" itself as it follows the myth cycle itself while referencing it in oh about 3 classical mythos (Greek, Celtic/Angle, Sumerian) with its own

>>1888174 Both Sakura and Saya killed people mercilessly and consumed them, with their ultimate goals affecting all of humanity

And? Sakura and Saya aren't Shirou or Fuminori.

An extremely important difference between HF Shirou and Fuminori is that HF Shirou does not despise humanity, unlike Fuminori. He even goes out of his way to help others so long as it doesn't interfere with Sakura's well-being. Another example is that HF Shirou refuses to put Sakura into danger and attempts to find a solution to help her so that they can coexist with the rest of society, whereas Fuminori uses Saya, hesitantly certainly, to kill Kouji and cover his tracks so that they can live in seclusion other than when necessary to get food.

>>1888175

Yeah, only ~10 original stories in the world, all else are just variations, yada yada. I enjoyed F/SN but felt that I wasted my time with Saya. Wish there had been more focus on Kouji's activities and life after his end.

>>1888196
I watched some lame Japanese movie or another called 隠し砦の三悪人 (The three bad people in their secret base or something)

Fucking shit was just a Starwars ripoff. I was pissed.

and then I read the book to ハウルの動く城, and it had all this extra stuff that wasn't in the movie at all!

I think it's pretty obvious that Saya looks like the abominations that Fuminori sees humans as since he sees her as a human.

Also, you retards saying she's alive are dense as hell and obviously failed all your poetry exams in English. When she says they'll be together forever it means that the spores that transform the world are her - she's essentially the new world that Fuminori will live in, like Mother Nature.

>>1888263
Just let kids do. Even thought i wish saya to stay alive forever, possibilities are just too low.

>>1886182
>This would make a pretty cool movie.

If made by Americans, it would have the end where Fuminori and Saya die. If made by Japs, it would have the germination end.

>>1888339
if made by america, there wouldn't be fuminori's vision. At least for saya.

>>1888263
>I think it's pretty obvious that Saya looks like the abominations that Fuminori sees humans as since he sees her as a human.

While I agree, I imagine that Saya would be even worse, as she doesn't appear like a normal human.

>>1888134
Holy shit, wtf is that??