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You could use spoilers.

>>1880513
Haze is one of my favorite BGMs too.

Spoilers.

also, god summonan gaems

>>1880564

Judging from the amount of well planned "NO U"s in those battles. I dont think its well out of The Beatrices potential to beat a servant easily.

Or fuck,just imagine summoning Beatrice as a Caster. I'd give her mana if you know what I mean. By the way...

Does the former Beatrice even have,arms...? I mean uh,we never see them and I dont think its ever stated that she uses them.

muga~

>>1880953

>>1880513
That's because even if you taker that purgatory litterally it only happens in the afterlife. What Battler is denying is that witches exist in the real world.

Plus! Only Meta-Battler has been in purgatory, but not the versions of Battler that are going through the different scenarios. They sync to a certain extent (mostly on feelings) and meta-Battler tends to be aware of what plot-Battler's thinking, but even that's limited (I don't eactly remember when that happens but there's a point in EP2 where Meta-Battler says he has no idea what Battler's talking about, I think it's when Battler explains where the fifth master key is), and the reverse is not true, plot-Battler doesn't know what meta-battler knows.

Plus there's some weird warped cause-and-effect dependency going there. Meta-battler exists because it's not proven the witch can't make him go through purgatory. But if Battler proves the witch doesn't exist then obviously a non-existent witch can't bring him to purgatory and the loop will not occur.

I wonder if he'll claim he's the culprit in the end. He'd end up imprisoned or executed but at least it'd provide a solution where neither the witch nor the other guests are guilty.

>>1880579
>I mean uh,we never see them and I dont think its ever stated that she uses them
Actually it is. She holds and uses a magic wand to repair the vase in the beginning of chapter 3.

It's obvious that Beatrice would eventually say I love youin red to Battler

Saya no Uta is better than this.

>>1881521
Sure, if you have a boner for baby-eating tentacle monsters. However, if murder mysteries and Phoenix Wright clones are more your thing, then Saya no Uta's useless, it's all useless!

>>1881521
Ther's cannibalism in the second episode. Surely that should appeal to Sayafags?

>>1881555

OBJECTION!

That's just your truth. In this board, multiple truths can exist. Shall you begin then? The game to determine which truth is the single truth!

>>1881689
I accept your challenge!

*BGM: dread of the grave - more fear*

The multiple truths paradigm rests on Schrodinger's cat hypothesis, but Saya ate all the cats so it's not valid anymore!

Hah!

NIGGER TITS!

SHUT THE FUCK UP I'LL RAPE YOU BOTH.

>>1881521
Except Umineko is far better than Saya no Uta.

>>1881735

I like both.

>>1881735
>Umineko is far better than Saya no Uta

>>1881746
sry, truth hurts

>>1881746
Umineko had better writing from what I saw. But its only 10% translated vs 100% so I don't think many of us cann really judge.

>>1881721


Fufufufufu. I counter your argument with the Devil's Proof. How can you be sure that she ate ALL the cats? It's impossible to prove that all the cats are gone since x amount might be hiding in a dark corner in some unknown part of the world. Or even on another planet consisting entirely of cats!

In other words, the Schrodinger's cat hypothesis still stands. Multiple truths is still possible! However! I'll definitely proof that my truth is the real truth!

>>1881750
>>1881749
Seriously guys, I like Umineko and all but come on. You're pushing it too hard.

>>1881757
I like Saya better, but I don't agree with shitting up other threads.

>>1881750
>Umineko had better writing

Oh boy...

Well, I find the loop structure of Umineko very compelling, and also all the tricks generated by the unreliable narrators. The fact is, Battler's fighting against a narrative, a story personified by the witch, to validate his own idea of the story. It's an embodiment of net speculation on Battler's side versus the cackling misleading author on Beato's side, with her open invitation to solve the mystery mirroring that of the author, and that's very amusing. It's, in itself, a novel with no interactivity but clearly aimed at making a game out of the fanbase discussions, even specifying rules for it (the colored text and what victory conditions for each side we know at this point).

SnU, on the other hand, is much more straightforward and focuses intensely on telling a story instead of reveling in trickery and mysteries like Umineko.

So they really appeal to different audiences, and though they overlap, the kind of storytelling you prefer will ultimately define which one is best for you.

>>1881757
Let me rephrase: Saya certainly could have left cats uneaten. But as long as she ate Shrodinger's cat multiple realities are done for!

Observe: the empty schrodinger's cat box!

>>1881808
Saya didn't eat Hempel's Raven

>>1881766
>NOTHING IS GOOD, EVERYTHING IS SHIT. I CAN'T ENJOY ANYTHING BECAUSE I'M DEAD INSIDE AND MY STANDARDS ARE AS HIGH AS SUN.

>>1881794

. . . . . . . . . .

I agree with your views.

*BGM answer*

Saya's game and Umineko are definitely of different genres...

However.. it is as you had said. They both are good games.

Certainly, some of us may prefer one over the other because of our preference.

But...

>1881815
in b4 turning the chessboard over.

>>1881794
SnU has writing quality and it's made by Nitro+ which is undoubtedly the best visual novel company out there.

Umineko is a doujin game, which is pretty good at it per se, but it's still a simple doujin game. And Ryukishi07 is like Nasu but with more writing ability and less pseudo drama bullshit.

Comparing SnU with Umineko is like comparing Metal Gear Solid 4 with Splinter Cell, it's not even fair.

>>1881808

Oh ho~

I'll entertain you on your beloved Shrodinger's cat theory further. How could you be sure.......

that that is indeed Shrodinger's box!?

>>1881815
Hempel's raven isn't about realities undefined until proven though, it's about underlining the problems with using inductive logic (ie intuitive generalizations) as proof. In Umineko's mentions of the devil's proof we actually already get to know Beato doesn't accept inductive logic, she sticks to elementary logic where there's no hypothetical truths like Hempel's Raven.

>>1881846
But Splinter Cell is shit.

>>1881854
Your title has to be the most suitable for this thread.

>>1881852
>that is indeed Shrodinger's box!?
Well duh

>>1881877
It's a comparison.

Umineko is for SnU as in Splinter Cell is for MGS.

>>1881846
>it's made by Nitro+, therefore it wins
>it's made by a Doujin writer, therefore it's incomparable

That's a nice couple of Arguments from Authority you got there, please come with some real ones other than the writings.

>>1881846
Whether it's a doujin game or not actually doesn't matter the fact the comparistion is brought up desptie it being doujin game is in fact telling of its qualities.

>>1881880
IT'S IN RED SO IT MUST BE TRUE

What is the music that plays during the witch battle?

>>1881846
>Nitro+ which is undoubtedly the best visual novel company out there.
What have you played by Nitro+? I can't help but get the feeling the only people saying this are just parroting whatever they hear on here.

>>1881880
That's not Schrödinger's box. It belongs to Schrodinger.

>>1881942
Actually in eurofagland, including Austrianfagland where Schrödinger comes from, it's valid to do away with the accents for uppercase letters.

>>1881924
あかいくつ偽

>>1881965
>Actually in eurofagland, including Austrianfagland where Schrödinger comes from, it's valid to do away with the accents for uppercase letters.

Schrödinger toUppercase =
SCHROEDINGER

>>1882019
That works too, but it's a bit of an old-fashioned way.

I'm gonna ask a girl out tomorrow while listening to Answer on my mp3. Wish me luck /jp/

>>1882192

"Hey, would you like to watch a movi-"

"I'm sorry, you're just not my type."

"It's useless... IT'S ALL USELESS"

"Hey...what's wrong wit-"

Anonymous points a finger right at her face.

"I'll never give up! No matter how many times you reject me... I'll stand back up on my own two feet. I'll show you that I, Anonymous, am like a phoenix! I'll continue playing this game of acceptance until you accept me. I'll have you no other way!"

PROFIT!!!

>>1882192
>>1882200
I actually lol'd. Troll or not, good luck.

Also, if worse leads to worse, quickly change to Rougoku.

>>1882241
>rougoku

"What's wrong with you... I said no already. I'm sorry!"

Anonymous casually pressed the "Next" button on his MP3 player. Rougoku comes up.

"Look I'm really sorry, okay? We could be fri-"

"ihihihihi."

"Oh god, what is it this time? Look, I'm going to leave alright? Sorry"

"ihihihihihihi! You almost got me... That was a nice move."

Can someone kindly upload these awesome songs somewhere?

>>1882322
just go to BGM folder in the game

>>1882310
Good posters? On /jp/? Since when, god damn it?

So, uh, /rs/ isn't being of much help, so I come to you folks; where can I grab the patch for this? I assume the game itself will be easy enough to get.

>>1882626
http://www.baka-tsuki.net/project/index.php?title=Umineko_no_Naku_Koro_ni

>>1882633

Thanks, I guess the first part's just [WH] Umineko 1 demo v1.2.rar (11.42 MB) then?

>>1882644
Yes, first part is the patch for only episode 1, which works with the free demo.
The readme has instruction and the link for the installation.

Be sure to use applocale or japanese locale though.

>>1882644
Yeah, if you downloaded the demo that is. If not download the version for your copy of the game. (EP2/EP3)

>>1882663

Got it, thanks.

STAY AWAY FROM THE DEMO

Tea parties aren't included and you need them.

>>1882666
Enjoy your stay in Rokkenjima.

>>1882675

Alright, will do. I think I found ep3. Hopefully that will work.

The patches are cumulative.

The half episode 3 patch includes all episode 1 and 2.

>>1882675

WTF are you talking about? The only feature that is not in the demo is the music box.
Tea parties ARE in the demo

>>1882696
I'm guessing he doesn't know how to unlock it in the TIPS.

>>1882696
what music box?

I've been wondering about this for a while. If I read through episode 2, and then later install episode 3, will game have all extras from earlier episodes unlocked?

>>1882858
All you have to do is press the unlock button on previous episodes.

>>1882832
The Music Box is just the usual sound mode/juke box.

This feature was in Episode 1 (game) already. To unlock it, you must finish completely the latest episode in the said game, Tea party and Ura Tea party included.

Therefore, for episode 3, you need to finish ura tea party 3 to unlock it.

Pic very related.

where are the save files located?

>>1884056
In the Application Data folder. And don't ask where that is, use Google.

>>1884059
The appdata folder in the all users folder, that is.