/jp/ - Otaku Culture

First for MattVsJapan doesn't know japanese

>>18642944
乙

What does the dot indicate? I thought it was the okurigana, now I noticed it's not.

>>18643128
Might be a typo but if it's not then I would say that the parts to the left contain no morphological information, which is similar to the okurigana boundary, but not exactly the same.

>>18643128
The verb stem you fucking retard

>>18643150
the verb stem is torawar-, not torawa-

>most verbs that end in -ru are not ru-verbs

Really activates my anki

>>18643349
Really through my shit off when i read the conjugation rules on TK for the first time

>>18643389
Idk why i typed through instead of threw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ct_CXn7mHf4

>>18643456
Someone should do this and put the results in the cornucopia

I remember reading at some point that に and へ are interchangeable as particles and the only difference is that へ is more formal sounding. Is this correct, or is there some more context to when to use each one?

>>18643508
complete bullshit

>>18642956
tbfh there's tons at his level from DJT.

it's pretty standard just read and do anki. people here have done that for years

>>18643508
へ　can always be replaced by に but not the other way around (I think)

彼は精算をしてホテルを出た

Might be a dumb question, but how exactly do
精算をして and ホテルを出た interact together?

Is it like everything before hotel is modified to it, as in its a settled hotel fee, then he left?

No, there's no context, though I don't think its relevant to my question which is purely syntax.

>>18643562
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/compound

>>18643597
I guess it's time for a reread. So many basics lost on me in 6 months.

＞近日：Coming days
＞近年：Recent years
すごい日本語

for fun

All Japanese All The Time.

>>18643697
いつもすべて日本語

>>18643637
来年
来週
来日

Just what the fuck does this all mean?
Do I have to read TKGG from cover to cover 10 times to understand at least anything, or does the Japanese grammar simply not exist outside of textbooks and formal conversations?

毎日だ、ブロ。

>>18643508
>I remember reading at some point
Was it maybe from the A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar?

>>18643828
Same shit here, what the hell is up with those two ば conditionals?
Well, the second one is more or less understandable.
I want to beat up the moron, who told me it would be easier than English.

>>18643828
>>18643859
This probably isn't a great pick for your very first read. Try something even easier like Yotsuba to start, then come back in a week and laugh at how poor your understanding was.

It's incredibly easy, but you need some kind of grasp of the basics first.

>>18643859
Would you mind posting the next page?

>>18643828
>>18643859
This is literally basic japanese kys

>>18643879
Yotsuba has a shitton of casual speech too you know. It's not incredibly easy at all.

>>18643903
>Yotsuba
>not incredibly easy
Never going to make it.

>>18643903
Go read the constitution of japan then, faggot

>>18643884
The next one is the first picture I posted.
Or do you mean the 8th one?

>>18643903
I just feel like Yotsuba is a bit easier than this.

It's the easiest work I can think of that could be conceivably read by adults. You could probably find some picture book for a 2 year old with easier dialogue, but it really doesn't get much easier than Yotsuba for something that isn't "the cat sat on the mat" tier trash.

>>18643828
This text doesn't have any value. You didn't lose anything.

>>18643917
This writing is so shit it's making me nauseous, please delete this.

>>18643887
>>18643908
I should probably have picked German as my third language then.
Being an eternal dekinai doesn't sound appealing, maybe venturing outside of the Indo-European language family is not for me.

>>18643879
>This probably isn't a great pick for your very first read
You ought to study with a textbook and anki if you can't can't make sense of what you read with a dictionary.

>>18643917
Kek, I'd probably have the reaction as him after all that.
Just wanted to read how the failed confession concluded. That's 徒然チルドレン, right?

>>18643955
Yes.

>>18643918
You haven't read very much Japanese and probably don't know it.

>>18643941
Yeah you should probably give up but instead of german pick a language that's actually going to be useful in the future like russian

>>18643945
I have zero issue with the text, dude. I just think it's less than ideal as the first thing someone reads that isn't a grammar guide, get off your high horse.

>>18643959
Give me some examples of easier text. I started reading Yotsuba after a month or so of study and I found it the easiest shit in the world, I can't imagine anything being less taxing without being boring.

>>18643958
Your question about the ば's is that with the awkward situation, if he were to answer her question, whether it would be right to be up front about his feelings. If to answer/respond, if it would be good/okay to say X. You'll get used to conditionals, don't beat yourself up over it.

>>18643971
I already speak Russian, it's my native language.

>>18643945
>You ought to study with a textbook

>>18643971
>pick a language that's actually going to be useful in the future like russian

>>18643977
>Give me some examples of easier text.
Most manga I run into are around the same difficulty level as Yotsuba.

>>18644007
She's a cutie.

>>18644039
stop reading manga for old hags

>>18643828
>tfw don't even know what is hard about this
Such is the life of someone having watched 10000 hours of anime

>>18644043

>>18644065
This is probably what *monogotari would look like if it were manga.

>>18643977
Not him what about Crayon Shin-chan?

Does anybody here have good long-term experience with reading only as opposed to doing anki?

>>18644141
Natives.

Do people usually leave the outside cover of a tank on while reading it?

>>18644007
Does that version have a watermark scattered throughout? If you'd like a clean rip:
https://a.uguu.se/e62hIn5g3lHU_%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A3%E3%83%92%E3%83%BC%E6%A7%98%E3%81%AF%E3%81%8F%E3%81%98%E3%81%91%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84%EF%BC%81%E7%AC%AC1%E5%B7%BB.zip
Pic related is a comparison between the volume I found floating around (bottom) and the rakuten digital version (top).

>>18644084
We'll see soon enough.
http://www.shonenmagazine.com/special/monogataricomic/

>>18644207
It was just the web amazon preview. But when amazon gives previews they're the same content as the full version, they just cut off after a few pages, and you can just download them after setting your kindle store region to Japan.

>>18644221
Are you saying the image you posted is the same as the full paid version?
>and you can just download them after setting your kindle store region to Japan
Full volumes for free? I think I've misunderstood you entirely here.

>>18644177
I usually do, but I take the little uhh, fucking like, advertisement banner thing off.

Does うまい actually mean "delicious" or is it more like you're saying the chef is skilled?

>>18644248
>Are you saying the image you posted is the same as the full paid version?
Image related is the downloaded preview. Amazon lets you download the preview version it shows on the webpage (and sometimes even if it doesn't show it on the webpage) to a kindle device, including the Kindle for PC app.
>Full volumes for free? I think I've misunderstood you entirely here.
Overlooked this part:
>they just cut off after a few pages
i.e. for the images that the preview has, it has the same files as the full version, but it cuts off at a certain point like you would expect. You can use kindle previews as a test for the quality that the kindle version has. Rakuten and Amazon ｕｓｕａｌｌｙ have the exact same files for digital manga, but not always.
But Amazon doesn't let you even download previews unless you set your kindle store region to Japan, just like it won't let you purchase anything.

>>18644301
Gotcha, all good. Initially thought you might have been referring to some program that rips full volumes straight from the amazon website like some of those ones that people used to grab stuff from ニコニコ静画. It was worth a shot, something like that for amazon would be awesome.

>>18643903
Reading the first chapter right now. Seems easier.

>>18644257
帯

Reminder to do this.

>>18644448
>censoring your other languages
For literally what purpose?

>>18644463
I just anticipated nationality-related shitposting if I left them visible so I decided to remove them to avoid that. Maybe I was being too paranoid but oh well.

>>18644488
Must be Swedish/German and Arabic?

>>18644493
No, nothing like that. Like I say, I was probably being too paranoid, but whatever.

If you must know, they were all just different versions of English. The reason that Chromium has more is because it has "English" + "English (United States)" as an alternative to the localised version of English for my locale, whereas Firefox only gives "English" as an alternative.

>>18644448
If you're a paranoid privacy conscious individual this is a bad idea as it makes your browser substantially easier to fingerprint.

>>18644519
autismがもつか

>>18644530
Considering Japan has a much larger population than my country, and it was set to my localised version of English before, does it really?

can someone explain me how して works as doer or performer?
everytime I read it, it confuses me

>>18644537
Your browser will broadcast your entire list of language preference to the website, so yes my kiwi friend. In fact it is ESPECIALLY true for someone who already has a relatively uncommon language preference.

>>18644539
if it's not in kanji then it almost certainly doesn't mean that

>>18644539
て form if not being made as a request basically works as adding "-ing" to the end of a verb, meaning that it's currently being carried out. して is the て form of する, so it works like "doing."

>>18644544
Fug, really?

If I want to keep Japanese as my preferred language then, what's the best course of action? Remove everything but Japanese (presumably pages will default to English anyway in the absence of a Japanese version)? Or keep the generic "English" option in place? I have no idea which way a vanilla Japanese installation would be by default, so I don't know which one of those arrangements is going to be the common one.

Any natives here? Would you like to screenshot your browser's language settings for me?

>>18644007
whats the name of the manga? is it fun?

>>18644572
>Remove everything but Japanese (presumably pages will default to English anyway in the absence of a Japanese version)?
This is probably your best bet if you want pages to default to Japanese when they can, it's very likely what Japanese configurations of the major browsers do.

>>18644584
Literally in the fucking image, my man.

>>18644585
Thanks, I'll do that then.

How difficult is Mahoyo to read
Simple stuff is starting to bore me

>>18644539
teh form cannot be explained it must be felt

>>18644567
Wew lad, please dont give grammar advice when you're still in your first week of learning.

>>18644630
so you wanna read bad nasu all ages visual game lol

>>18644646
what games do the cool kids read then

>>18644544
That's why I removed every language save for English (United States) and forced Meiryo to be the default font for everything instead.

>>18644643
so what is the correct answer?

>>18644651
obviously itd have to be ３人いるhappy wedding in livingroom lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhzaP8duKdw

>>18644630
exactly 37,48 on the japanese difficulty scale

>>18644567
That's not even remotely close to being correct

>>18644630
Read muramasa.

>>18644688
no >_< memes

>>18644630
read hanahira

>>18644658
Check DoJG or any other grammar resource.

>>18644630
read with you～みつめていたい～

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R38zvc73mDE

>>18644753
>>18644702
>>18644688
please stop

>>18644757
stop what

>>18644757
read lick-g hella bossing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXQpJhZ_2Wg

>>18644567
You're thinking of te-iru-form, not te-form

sono kimochi when your only japanese study for the past few days has been watching videos of バーチャルYouTubers playing video games

i bought the complete guide to japanese kanji after having studied kana basics and a few kanji on udemy. i'm writing down kanji, their meaning, mnemonic etc on a spreadsheet and then i'll convert that to a csv and make a anki deck out of it eventually. but, i'm doing it like 10 by day, so it's gonna take me a while. i plan on doing another one for words. i am also not sure if it's a good idea to just make the anki deck out of 2000 kanji or space it out a bit (100 or 200, then i can also start using anki earlier on)

am i stupid for doing this? seems like a good strategy, besides the fact that it's gonna take forever to get everything on anki. is there an anki deck for this already also? i feel like someone else would already have done this

>>18644911
Keep studying 馬鹿！

>>18644919
Just do RTK

>>18644919
If you do individual kanji study you should not spend any more time on it than absolutely necessary. Look to brother Nukemarine for what happens to people who spend their time making resources.

>>18644911
sono kimchi when watashi wa gay

>>18644919
>am i stupid for doing this?
Yes.

When learning kanji you have 2 options: Either you learn them upfront or you learn them as you go. Both have their ups and downs.

But if you're going to learn them upfront do RTK and download a premade RTK anki deck.
Don't make your own deck, you can always modify the anki deck to your licking.

If you're planning on learning them as you go you don't need a kanji deck at all.

>>18644953
>>18644986
>>18644994
ok, i'll do the rtk then. i felt like i'd be wasting too much time with this method, which is why i came here. thanks.

how do people learn them slowly though? how would i even search for a kanji, when often times there isn't the accompanying kana below/above it?

>>18645012
read the guide

>>18644919
You should watch MATTvsJapan's video about kanji. I don't actually agree with him that kanji should be done first following the RTK method, but he does a good job of covering all the approaches and their ups and downs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgRte6oSoF8

At the very least, after watching this, you should know that what he calls the Out-of-Context approach should be avoided like the plague.

who woulda thought learning written language with meaning attached to things is more effective than using flashcards lol

>>18645047
He doesn't do a good approach, the things he says about wanikani and KKLC are bullshit or aren't a factor in their quality.

>>18645144
He doesn't do a good job covering the approaches

>>18644994
>download a premade RTK anki deck.
>Don't make your own deck, you can always modify the anki deck to your licking.
If you're doing RTK you should be making your own mnemonic stories, and if you're making mnemonic stories you should probably have them on the back of your cards. Since that's the time consuming part of making an RTK deck, I've never understood why people think you shouldn't do your own RTK deck.

The Core deck is an out of context approach btw.

>>18645151
It's "in context" when referring to kanji study the way Matt is talking about it. He specifically divides isolated kanji study as "out of context" and vocabulary-heavy kanji acquisition as being "in context"

heres an in context approach guaranteed to leave you knowing more japanese than you did before you came unless you already know japanese in which case you can just appreciate it contextually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYdQGkgrN4

>>18645172
Do you remember a video you posted a while back? It had some guy getting beaten up and guys riding around on motorbikes and also people in suits (I think) drinking shots of alcohol.

It was actually a pretty good song but I don't remember what it was called. I assume it was you who posted it.

>>18645148
>If you're doing RTK you should be making your own mnemonic stories
Not necessarily. The story isn't always bad and in the beginning they serve as a good example of how to make stories.

It's still a lot faster to just edit the cards as they come up. I can even do it from my phone easily.

90% of the time you don't need an mnemonic at all if you're instructed on the components and whatever keyword your system is using

>>18645193
I don't like mnemonics, teach me your ways

>>18645183
fuck yea i do dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-CBCC_hiKM

>>18645200
>I don't like mnemonics
That means you're not using them correctly

>>18645158
Yes, for kanji study it's in context. However if we talk about studying words, Core is out of context.

>>18645204
サンキュー

Where do you find this stuff anyway?

>>18645217
im rap otaku

>>18645250
beware, this nigga knows what otaku actually means

>>18645212
>However if we talk about studying words, Core is out of context.
And because of that you get endless numbers of beginners complaining here that they keep mixing words up and having to ask what the difference is between transitive words in the deck and similar intransitive words in the deck.

>>18645255
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46xeOz9o3fk this is basically me
you can be the homeboy cutting the vid in final cut pro that appears later in the video who does gangster ass hand shake with me

So I saw this word: 出撃, and seriously, what the FUCK is a sortie?

>>18645306
It's when you sort all your soldiers within their formation by their combat capabilities in order to minimize the risk of casualties.

>>18645306
A sortie (from the French word meaning exit) is a deployment or dispatch of one military unit, be it an aircraft, ship, or troops, from a strongpoint

>>18645306

>>18645306
I've seen this question so many times lately that it's getting ridiculous.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/sortie

>>18645306
>you don't even know English.jpg

>>18645148
If you can’t remember your mnemonic story even after you see the kanji and it’s elements then it wasn’t worth writing down and you should just come up with a new one.

Guys im so fucked for my final. Im trying to learn a few things before my final which is next week and im having some problems with finding a reliable place to translate my japanese. I tried google translate, but it only gives me wierd sentences. Can you guys help me translate this sentence please?

There were dogs at my friend's house. Tomodachi no ie DE inu ga imashita.

My book Genki says to use "topic, time, place, object, and verb", but when i put "inu wa tomodachi no ie ga imashita" it doesnt translate how i want it. Also, am i supposed to use "watashi" at all?

>>18645390
First, for animals you should use "yaru" instead of "iru".
The correct way to put it is,
"Watashi wa tomodachi no ie de inu wo yarimashita."

>>18645390
if you want to flunk in style follow >>18645419's advice

で、この単語を見つけた：sortie、出撃ってなんだよマジで

>>18645424
fuck off, troll

>>18645449
say that to the troll

>>18645390
>posting a year old reddit post

>>18645306
like an "outing" for for military related things, an operation, at least thats the general gist of it you need to know

いまなんじ？

にほんはあさ８時前

>>18645444
i like the song but the vid is just fucking disgusting

>>18645608
まだ

>>18645608

髪の毛全部剃る気になったんだ。明日してみようかな。

>>18645608
午前7:07

>>18642958
The fuck does that mean? I see it on 2/5ch all the time, are they thanking OP for making a new thread?

So I'm trying to learn Japanese for the first time, but I'm having a little too much trouble finding an Anki deck for first learning the characters. The ones I've found so far seem to be intended for learning how to write them. They say the noise first, and show character after you guess. (along with the stroke order)

>>18645802
read the guide

>>18645801
お疲れ様でした！

>>18645801

>>18645801
if you think about it its really no different than "(yous)" for the op..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOkxDAnuPq0

>>18645951
who let the gomer in here

>>18645951
youtu.be/eOkxDAnuPq0#t=301 gambare ringo stephen

>>18645801
甲乙丙丁

From what I understand with で and
正解: 猫は外にいます。
不正解: 猫は外でいます。

不正解: 旅館の外に話しています。
正解: 旅館の外で話しています。
Is this right?

>>18646202
残念

死にたい

>tfw 750 mature vocab cards
>haven't even TK Basic Grammar guide
FUCK learning grammar. Is there a good grammar deck?

>何事も
>どうのこうの
>なんとなく
>なんちゃら
>どうにかこうにか

>>18646428
>grammar deck
Just skim through Tae Kim and start reading, for fuck sake.

>>18646428
Read Japanese the Manga Way if you don't like Tae Kim.

Is there any kanji dictionary in azw3/epub/mobi format? I want to put it in my Kindle.

>>18646428
Watch anime until you just know how grammar works

>>18646428
Grammar decks are for people who are allergic to learning Japanese.

>>18644257
But like, that's the best part my ダチ

There's this term in hentai, "子宮が下がる" which should be something like "[your] womb descends". This is used in H-manga as a physical proof that the girl is ready for some dicking, like in pic related.

I have not heard it outside of Japanese porn and when I googled it, it's all about prolapsed uterus. I'm not good enough to use Japanese google properly yet, but from a cursory Japanese google it's also mostly medical-based.

Is "womb descends" as a sign of arousal a japanese thing? How does this term get the erotic meaning?

>>18646743
holy moley its painful to like look at the word bubbles and get a slight boner and then look at your post and lose it

maybe you should 下がってろ from the hentai and leave it to those of us who actually do want to jack off

I don't understand how the 憚る fit in the first example sentence, and how the second sentence work at all. Help.

>>18646806
ignore jisho's example sentences. pretend they don't exist.
http://www.manythings.org/corpus/warningtatoeba.html

>>18646743
The uterus slightly lowers/has contractions causing it to move during orgasm.

>>18645278
that was pretty かわいい

>>18646798
Haha, sorry for that, m8.

Here's the source, in English, if you wanted it:
https://exhentai.org/g/1009688/ef2a36a070/

>>18646822
>English

>>18646832
D'oh! I forgot what thread I'm in. Here's one in Korean:
https://exhentai.org/g/1154090/06e984ae98/

https://exhentai.org/g/981229/9553a717c8/

>>18646806
Try these example sentences from Kenkyuusha.

>>18646837
>Korean

>>18646806
>example sentences
just read nigga

>>18646864
Geez, fine, here it is in Advanced Moon Runes!

https://exhentai.org/g/982601/64a91f1a72/

>>18646887
>Chinese

>>18646879
I-I've got to start somewhere. Can't just jump into reading things and assume what it meant.

Besides, I got 憚る from reading as well.

>>18646908
>Can't just jump into reading things and assume what it meant.
You can and it's the only way you'll learn anything.

>算盤
昨今使ってるんだ？学校で

>>18646922
Don't use だ for yes or no questions

>>18646939
you don't know japanese

>>18646965
あなた 日本語知らない

>>18646965
nah I think hes right, i fucked it up

日本語の経験はあまりなさそうだ
ね

>>18646908
learn to read a japanese-japanese dictionary and all will then be well. You won't need to rely on this bullshit language of 'english' to understand new concepts.

>>18646993
kotobank has such a nice simple layout

>>18646993
How do you look up a new word in a J-J dictionary?

よくつかえるよ

いいんだ？
なにをしてんだ？
くるんだ？
はなさないんだ？
だきあってるんだ？

などなど

>>18646993
go to bed matt

>>18646993
dictionary only takes you so far ill link this again and maybe someone will figure it out >>18646033

>>18647014
きょうのうんこはどうだった

>>18647005
>look up a new word in a J-J dictionary
Type the word into the search bar? I mean, I'm not expecting you to buy a print dictionary, hell no.

I actually don't know how they arrange words in Japanese dictionaries, now that I think about it.

>>18647036
>I actually don't know how they arrange words in Japanese dictionaries
aiueo?

>>18647045
That works for hiragana and katakana, but how do you look up kanji when you don't know how they're pronounced?

>>18647072
They're ordered by radical

>>18647088
And the radicals are ordered by stroke number.

The stroke number are ordered by...math?

>>18647014
日本語ではクエスチョンマークがつく文は必ずしもクエスチョンだと限らないとおもう
例えば「何をしてんだ？」の場合はちゃんとクエスチョンが成立している（具体的な『何』かを答えに求めている）
「何してんの？」と同じく
でも「話さないんだ？」はどっちかというと「話さないの？」じゃなく「話さないんだな」に近いよね
話すかどうかを訊いているのじゃなく、相手が話さないことを理解した上で、声のメリハリでそれに対する気持ちを表す言い方じゃないかな

>>18647109
こたえをひきおこすのは、クエスチョンのひつようなところであるまい

Was reading a book, felt bad struggling with vocabulary. Then I backed up and realized I'm actually understanding some of these alien scribbles. Felt good.

>>18647138
いやさらにこんなはつげんはぜひにこたえを“ひきおこす”だろう

>>18647138
いやそうじゃね？
英語でいうquestionだとな？

生きる意味とはなんだ？

俺は何のために生まれたんだ

誰か、教えてください

>>18647178
酔生夢死

>>18647163
いやじょうきょうをかんがえようとするいしもある
しゅうじぎもんでもない、たにんともに

>>18647178
勿論、エッチのことだ

>>18647178
日本語を習う.

mildly interesting survey suggesting that most Japanese people aren't completely retarded
http://www.bunka.go.jp/tokei_hakusho_shuppan/tokeichosa/kokugo_yoronchosa/pdf/h28_chosa_kekka.pdf
>辞書を引かなければ書けない漢字がたくさんある
31.6%
>読めない漢字にたくさん出合う
21.5%
>新聞を読んでも，難しい言葉が多くて意味がよく分からない
17.0%

>>18647178
着手・諦めの永遠の悪循環を繰り返すことのため。

>>18647269
Might as well be Chinese at this point.

I know I'm not learning Japanese to be able to read academic papers, but damn, still so much to learn.

>it took me an hour to read 200 lines
am I a retard or is this not as low as I'm thinking

>>18647308
>not reading 10k lines an hour while getting blowjobs from JAV models

>>18647308
Depends on the difficulty of the lines, is it? I'm still a beginner and it takes like 20 minutes to read one page of a novel, and that's being generous.

>>18647301
You'll be able to read that fluently after 10 books or so.

>>18647301
The only bullshit there is 一般社団法人中央調査社, and that's the official long name of an organization.

>>18647321
That's kinda inspirational. I am aiming to finish my first book (a 角川つばさ文庫 novel, so it had furigana in it) within March.

H-hell yeah, I'm gonna be able to read the paper easily by the end of the year if I keep the pace! I'm gonna do it.

reading beginner here, do i have to go out of my way to understand every sentence i read? or can i just read with little to no understanding, go back to TK (ive already read TK once) for a bit, and wait until it just clicks? i feel like i will be here forever if i have to use a dictionary for every single sentence

>>18647350
as an absolute beginners, you should understand what every sentence is doing to the story/reader/characters but you do not need to understand them word by word, because you can't, no matter how hard you try, and if you try too hard you'll teach yourself false ideas and build weird misunderstandings that take weeks or months to unlearn.

after you read enough, as long as you have understand the story, you'll learn enough that you understand sentence structure fine, where you don't worry about whether you understand things, you just know whether you understand them or not, at this point you can try to understand stuff literally if you want

>>18647361
wow I threw that as an absolute beginner on there right before posting and slipped in an s whoops

>>18647361
very nice insight. ty

>>18647212
言われてみればそうなんだよね。これ>>18647158も事実だし
要するにquestionというのは答えをどうにか引き起こす為の発言、でいいと思う
それで質問には色んな種類や意図があるから、簡単に
「イエスかノーかの返事を求める質問には『だ』をつけない」
みたいにルール作るのも意味ない

とにかくこれ>>18646922
「使ってるんだ？」ではなく「使ってる？」「使ってるの？」のどっちかでいい

>>18647384
そうだ？

そうなんだ？

>>18647350
At least you should attempt.
Definitely look up every word, why would you skip anything? Try to understand the grammar.
If you can't make sense of it for a while, you can move on. Or ask here.

A bit of a fun exercise: How would you translate to Japanese this sort of messy sentence: I know you know I know he knows that I know, but I don't know if you know I know he doesn't know that I don't actually know!

Essentially just a repetition of the same verbs.

What's "Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo" in Japanese?

>>18647398
That's a great way to not see anywhere near enough unique text for weeks. Sure, you should look stuff up, but you need to move on ASAP once you understand what's going on if you're an absolute beginner.

>>18647405
It felt really uncomfortable if you don't know what a sentence mean, though.

>>18647350
You should at least look up any words you don't know. Look up grammar if the sentence seems important. Try to understand every sentence, but it is okay to move on if you are wasting too much time. Sometimes you won't understand until you read the next sentence or paragraph, then it all becomes clear.

I was reading Zero no Tsukaima 2 recently and at first I thought there were 3 people riding in 2 carriages, then I thought it was 2 people in 2 carriages, then I realized it was 2 people in 1 carriage. Things will get clearer as you keep reading.

>>18647411
It gets better. It's like a blister on the surface of your brain because Japanese is starting to dig its way in. If you scratch it it's just going to scar, even if it alleviates the itch temporarily. Looking stuff up but moving on ASAP is like puncturing a tiny hole in the blister and squeezing out excess puss. That alleviates the pain and reduces irritation without affecting the healing process, or in the case of Japanese, the learning process.

>>18647361
Skip, find i+1 sentences, don't waste more time than a single dictionary lookup on a single sentence.

>>18647405
>but you need to move on ASAP once you understand what's going on
I never denied that. But you should not move on immediately if you don't get the sentence, or you're too lazy to look up a word.
The person I replied to complained about having to use a dictionary, which implies skipping words. That's bad.

>>18647420
don't agree with skip or single dictionary lookup

sometimes a sentence is actually four separable sentences strung together, you need to get used to parsing them that way early on

>>18647404
>How would you translate to Japanese this sort of messy sentence
Its not messy, its entirely out of range. Language is a means of communication, not pissing people off

>>18647422
If they're an absolute beginner they're probably talking about looking up like four words a sentence. In which case, yes, they should skip stuff. For an absolute beginner the #1 priority is to be exposed to lots of different Japanese, not to realize each individual word in the sentence. Once the process becomes less unfamiliar, yes, they should start looking up everything they know that they don't know, but they don't know where to put their effort yet, and they're going to overthink everything.

>>18647430
Are you kidding?
How are you going to understand anything, if what you understand from a sentence is "<funny looking kanji> did something that looks like a verb to Tanaka-san in a <funny looking kanji> adjective way?

You absolutely need to look up every unknown word. If you're too lazy to do manual lookups and you fell for the shitty manga meme, then read a VN and use a text hooker for instant lookups.

>>18647430
This is probably the single worst piece of advice I've ever read on here, congrats

>>18647441
No, I'm not kidding.
>How are you going to understand anything
You vastly underestimate the power of the human mind.

>You absolutely need to look up every unknown word.
Once you understand how reading works, yeah. The moment you first start reading, you don't know how reading works. You have to get used to the activity as a state of consciousness before you can do it properly.

Are you one of those people who thinks that people shouldn't ever take pushes or use training wheels when they're learning to ride a bike? Yeah, bikes are really easy to ride and pushes and training wheels are actively terrible, but the first week you try to ride a bike they're indispensable.

So is skipping words you don't know when you're so new to reading that you can hardly tell where words start and end.

こんな理性でどう思おう？

>>18647451
why did you respond to the same post twice

>>18647425
>Its not messy, its entirely out of range. Language is a means of communication, not pissing people off

Not the other anon, but he's talking about translating this scene into Japanese.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio

>>18647452
Reading without lookups is like riding a bike. Dictionary lookups are the training wheels. Your entire analogy is retarded.

little timmy isn't gonna understand この力で、誰かを幸せにできたなら by looking stuff up no matter how hard he tries, let him look up 誰か and move on after he realizes he doesn't understand it
heck it would be better if he stopped reading at を幸せ

>>18647461
Riding the bike is understanding the story, not understanding the text printed on the pages or displayed on the screen.

>>18647462
Little Timmy should've just asked Cosmo and Wanda.

>>18647466
asking the internet for help understanding anything japanese is a ridiculously bad idea

>>18647452
You vastly overestimate your ability to "guess" words. Often it will be the complete opposite if what you think a word that you didn't look up means.

And what you wrote barely makes any sense. You will gain experience as you try to understand sentences. Ignoring the hard ones instead of finding out where each word begins and ends will just hamper your studying and rob you of important experience.

>>18647454
>everyone who disagrees with me is a single person

the crux of the argument is that when you first start reading your tolerance for sentences you don't understand needs to be incredibly low because you don't know what you're doing

>>18647468
Asking 4chan for help is an even worse idea.

>>18647470
日本語はもう読めるよ、ンな不該当なこと言うな
いやマジで、アンタ日本語どうせ分かるの？
そんな方法では

what does ついた mean when used as
XXくんついた!

毛唐臭い日本語ぬかすの大概にしろ

>>18647498
is it a past form of つく?

>>18647504
あなたね

>>18647509
what's the equivalent of "no u" in Japanese

amazing
protip don't randomly assume someone is a stupid beginner just because you don't like what they're saying
and don't double down and try to insult their japanese when they call you out

>>18647509
( ´,_ゝ｀)ﾅﾆｶ?

>>18647517
This post has given me deja vu

>>18647543
honestly same this situations is very nostalgic

>>18647546
seriously where do these s letters keep coming from

Is there a better alternative to reading raw manga and getting the OCR'd text than KanjiTomo?

I want to read YuruCamp but it's my first time looking for a manga that isn't fully translated, so I will need to look for the translations myself at times.

>>18643826
わあ！！！！日本語

>>18647553
Read stuff with furigana and pray that your experience watching anime in the past fills in the gaps.

>>18647513
it depends on the context but here's a choice one
お前がな
use it wisely i plucked it straight from the ripe green fields of the nihongo language for you

>>18647562
I shall treasure this gift, my moon farmer friend.

>>18647513
おまいう

>>18647507
That's what it looks like, but there's no kanji, so hard to know.

>>18647562
>i plucked it straight from the ripe green fields of the nihongo language
I like this sentence. English can still tickle me even after a decade of studying it, I've no doubt Japanese will, too.

>>18647578
Is there any context at all for [XXくんついた!]?

>>18647583
>I've no doubt
are you a middle-age upper-class city-dwelling british person

>>18647578
is there some context?
to me sounds like the most likely meaning is 着く as in "we're here XX-kun!"
but if that doesn't make sense it could be a different meaning
like there's つく for being lucky

>>18647589
I think most of my English education comes from UK sources, so that's why.

I myself am Asian.

>>18647601
makes sense

>>18647589
Do Americans not use that expression?

>>18647624

I've heard it in the wild, it isn't very common tho

>>18647624
we tend not to use 've that way, we leave it uncontacted if there's even the slightest emphasis on have or it's not functioning as an auxiliary

>>18647513
>>18647562
Wrong. Jesus you are posting and haven't even made it this far？The equivalent is の う

>>18647624
It looks and sounds like shit so people tend to avoid it

>>18647633
の う

>>18647637
の め

>>18647641
俺はゴム、君は糊

>>18647641
飲め？

>>18647649
はいどうぞ

>>18647652
美味しい毒ですね!!

How hard is learning japanese compared to english?

>>18647678
Harder for a couple of reasons: English only has an alphabet, and English has people who speak it natively or fluently everywhere on the planet.

>>18647678
It's terrible man, there are records of people who have studied japanese for almost a decade and still aren't good at it, I'd recommend taking a look at MattVsJapan's channel for more information

>>18647678
Both are hard to learn, I find. One's harder than the other, but both are hard.

>>18647684
>I'd recommend taking a look at MattVsJapan's channel

>>18647678
Language acquisition difficulty requires knowing your starting point, your native language

>>18647723
He has been posting in these threads for a while. One of his recent videos even discusses ripping Japanese shows from Nexflix, something that was brought up in these threads shortly before the Youtube vlogger made a video about it. Maybe he thinks he can earn a few pateron bucks out of these threads. It wouldn't be the first time outsiders have used native advertising in this general. The people behind WaniKani were even paying people to promote their program in Japanese language learning communities at one point.

>Spent years learning a local language I hardly ever use because the Government made it mandatory in school, when I could've been learning Japanese instead.
I feel cheated.

>>18647787
>learning
>school

nice try government man

>>18647787
where are you from?

Are there any novels in the Cornucopia that are R18 novels?

>>18647598
>>18647588

They put the boys' names in some sort of table at school, ordered by their scores in a test.
xxくん was the first one by a long stretch and one of the classmates said something like. えええ、まじかよ、xxくんがついた！

>>18647877
Could be this

>>18647891
it's this one

>>18647903
Okay.

Can someone please add the Hiyaku textbook to the cornocopia of resouces? I hear it's the holy grail for intermediate learners.

Has anyone used Hiyaku? Reviews?

if you were reading physical manga and wanted to look up words on the go what would be the most convenient way? a physical dictionary?

>>18648071
A phone.

>>18648004
Not worth it.
Textbooks are long lesson plans that drag you through the mud at a snail's pace and give you a false sense of accomplishment, just keep reading normal books and looking up shit you don't know. All the guidance you could possibly want is already available without that particular textbook, it doesn't seem to be anything special judging from the preview on google books

>>18648071
your phone dork
it probably even has built in handwriting recognition
I use ebpocket with daijirin for J→J, and takoboto for the search engine that supports wildcards and the favorite feature

>>18644630
Depends, how familiar are you with Japanese cuisine?

>>18647384
「だ？」ってきかないね

かるくかくにんするときは「…」

おもくねんをおすときは「……」

かんぜんねんをおすときは「………」

こうかな

How come TK never talks about passive and potential form looking the same?

>>18648440
Why are you expecting so much from a japanese grammar guide made by a korean

>>18648440
no clue

he does teach both though, so you can figure it out if you think really hard

>>18648404
そういうことなんだてんてんてん

>>18648503
照れ隠しだろう

あーっはっはっは！相変わらずはっえーなぁおい。
What does はっえーなぁおい mean here? Speaker is a thug attacking a woman.

>>18648654
はやいな、おい

>>18648672
Thank you.

>>18648678
For reference this happens a lot with あい sounds
こえぇ for こわい
くせぇ for くさい
etc.

and うい sounds tend to slur into just いぃ
like わりぃ for わるい and だりぃ for だるい

>>18648688
Makes sense. It's probably easy to recognize with more speaking practice.

>>18648688
>こえぇ for こわい
Learned this on Niconico.

>>18648688
いい can become ええ too, I believe?

Any lists of kanji that native high schoolers use?

>>18648746
関西弁

>>18648654
こうごたいだね

きこえたようにかいてあるから

かいてあるようによんでね

にほんご です ほんとうに きれい かんたん, ｗｗｗｗｗ

>>18648746
Yeah, it's used in kansaiben like that
More accurately it's actually the other way around, いい came from ええ

But you still see shit like かわええ which is a funny backwards one, since かわいい has nothing to do with いい

You'll see people replace おい sounds with ええ too

>>18648772
I'm pretty sure their education system just uses the official jouyou list.
That's a weird question though. I'd imagine a somewhat smart or well-read high schooler in Japan would know a good bit more kanji than just what they're taught in school, so they would "use" whatever they came across, not limited to a list

>>18648945
おんなとこばと

おんなことばで

おなじことばで

はつおんがちがうのもあるかも

幽霊屋敷に見えなくもない
this means : "Does not look unlike a haunted house" , correct?

>>18649260
えいごがわかんない

I think it feel like a haunted house.

こんなかんじ

>>18649260
it does kinda look like haunted house

theres alot of things that are gonna seem opposite if you dont know them conceptually because youre a no experience graduate from tyler kim university with a degree in flashcards just trying to break things apart and turn them into english

>>18649260
ないでもない is similar and the A Dictionary of Advanced Japanese entry touches upon なくもない. It might help you get more of a feel for the whole negative+は・も+negative structure.

when i'm importing a dictionary to yomichan is the path to dictionary source supposed to be the zip file? am i supposed to extract it? sorry i'm a retard with this stuff and cant get it to work.

>>18649716
The unzipped dictionary folder will have a file called "CATALOGS". That's the one which needs to be selected.

>>18649751
Just throwing in the zipped folder worked for me.

>>18649751
>>18649767
Just adding the zip folder didn't work. When I extract the dictionary there are only .json files. https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/ this is where I'm getting them from. Am I missing something?

>>18649551
Thanks anon
>>18649372
I haven't done flashcards for months and I've read well beyond tae kim ,condescending-kun

>>18649372
https://vocaroo.com/?upload

>>18649801
>>18649828
Condescending tone aside, that's a perfectly reasonable assumption, considering how common double negatives are.

>>18649886
It's just a double negative. It's not some magical idiom that suddenly has no negativity in it at all.

>>18649275
x feel
o feels

>>18649922

>>18649886
>>18649893
The point he was getting across is literal translation widely misses the point of what the source material is actually conveying, and what kind of situations it might actually be used in.

In this case "it does kind of look like a haunted house" is closer to the meaning of that phrase than "it doesn't look unlike a haunted house," because the latter is a forced literal interpretation of the grammar and is stiff and unusable in English. It essentially has no meaning. Literal translations of that sort may serve to explain grammar so that a beginner might form the right ideas faster and take it in easier, but that's the limit of what they can do and using them backwards to "decode" Japanese is misuse.

>>18649963
"It's not unlike an X" really does convey the same thing as "it's kind of like an X".

>>18649970
To a lesser degree, yes.

>>18649828
I don't get this meme. One time an anon posted a clumsy live translation of page 50 or something, is that what you're trying to get people to do? Or is the assignment to read it aloud as it's written?

>>18649978
The double negative is used to hedge saying a weak positive thing in both languages and make it logically indirect. The positive translation completely destroys this aspect of the meaning. A weak statement is not the same as an indirect one.

>>18649982
the assignment is to read it out loud in japanese but really anything showing that you're not a beginner is fine

>>18649989
Do you speak English? The double negative is a borderline joke. If you dared to translate ～なくもない as a double negative anywhere you'd get sacked on the spot.
I get what you're trying to say, and it comes down to that the double negative in English is so unusual as to actually cause more confusion and be further from the meaning of the double negative in Japanese than simply giving in and using the positive with an additional weakening adverb like "kind of." In my opinion you keep more than you lose this way. You might sort of be able to preserve grammar logic in simple phrases like this, but there's a point where it becomes futile and you're not very far off from it.

That's all talking about actual translation. If you want to talk about literal translation for the purpose of teaching grammar, it's something to be used by the teacher, not the student.See>>18649963

>>18649989
uhh "kinda" in context kinda handles that my ninja
or do you want to use uncommon way of expressing common concept in japanese in english lol

>>18650044
>uhh "kinda" in context kinda handles that my ninja
No not really, like, not at all
Is it English you don't know or is it Japanese?

>>18650041
You're the only person in this entire conversation who has been using the word "translation". Get your head out of your ass and start doing 空気を読む.

>>18650053
What do you call turning Japanese into English then, retard?

>>18650056
Translation is meant for someone to consume. They were using English to represent their understanding of the Japanese. Completely different. Do you expect people to convey how they understand things telepathically? Over the internet?

>>18650048
i dont often engage in nerdo talk about grammar ideas and terms because i dont know or really care about all that shit so i probably cant explain it in a way youll understand or agree with

also just assume both because as indirectly stated above you wont be getting much use out of me

>>18650065
As long as you can understand your animes, friend!

>>18650076
Ah, there we go.

>>18650081

>>18650061
>Do you expect people to convey how they understand things telepathically?
Do you?
"Using English to represent their understanding of the Japanese" is fine, but that's not what they were doing. They were trying to translate a sentence into English to represent their understanding of it. That if anything is what I would call leaving out crucial info that I would have to read their mind to grasp.
What you should do when you want to represent your understanding of Japanese is write a couple more sentences about all the other crucial parts of the sentence, like maybe try and explain what the grammar is actually doing. If they had written
>The double negative here is used to hedge saying a weak positive thing and make it logically indirect
then it would be fine, but they didn't. So naturally I doubt their understanding of what's going on. A simple English translation attempt doesn't say anything.

>>18650084
>"Using English to represent their understanding of the Japanese" is fine, but that's not what they were doing
No, it was. You're making stupid assumptions just so that you can shit on someone.

>>18650087
Sure fuckass, they used English alright, but they did is wrong is what I'm getting at.

>>18650094
there's always someone who says "don't translate things hurr" when someone uses english to ask for help understanding something
that's all you're doing
fuck off

>>18650094
No. They didn't use it wrong. In fact their English better represents the Japanese than >>18649828 and >>18649886. Yes. it might sound unnatural to you in particular, but it's completely fucking acceptable English.

Get your head out of your ass.

>>18650098
Meant to quote >>18649372, not >>18649828

>>18650095
I'm not saying don't translate things, I'm saying explain what you think about a sentence in addition to translating it.
You don't really have to translate it if you can explain well enough without doing so, but that's beside the point.

>>18650103
>I'm saying explain what you think about a sentence in addition to translating it.
can you quote yourself on that
>You don't really have to translate it if you can explain well enough
yeah good luck with that
you don't know japanese

Well it's buried inside something else and it's identical to what the frenchie wrote, but a full hit for such a long phrase shows that it's almost certainly natural.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this type of double negative in English. Just like Japanese. And it conveys the same thing as it does in Japanese.

>>18650116
It's not identical to what the frenchie wrote, rather.

no need to get all bent outta shape boys but its probably a good idea to not suckle so hard on the teats of google
data is useless if youre using it wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss4a4Iu1G-Y

>>18650129
Too bad, I'm using it right.

>>18650132
nah dude youre just goin hard to distract yourself from the crushing 現実 that you face 毎日毎晩 lol
just shut ya ass up and gambare

>>18650098
>>18650116
It really is stretching it. The english phrasing is a lot rarer for a reason. It has a fundamentally different impact from the Japanese double negative.
Mimicking grammar from a different language only goes so far. For most cases you can still come up with something close enough to be called a grammatically literal "representation" but it won't be useful for much save for misguiding beginners and causing big arguments in this thread

>>18650106
Translation is an extra skill that needs to be built on top of a full understanding of the source material. It's really not necessary. And I'll quote myself here: >>18650084
What you should do when you want to represent your understanding of Japanese is write a couple more sentences about all the other crucial parts of the sentence, like maybe try and explain what the grammar is actually doing.
Note the key phrase "write a couple more sentences"

>>18650154
>The english phrasing is a lot rarer for a reason.
Because the literary elite were allergic to any form of double negative for 300 years because poor people used "ain't nothin'" and shit.

>>18650154
good luck getting someone who has bad enough english to mess up basic punctuation spacing to properly express their thoughts about something so abstract in it

>>18650158
That's not why, retard. The reason is it's confusing and elicits a "what did you just say" internal reaction from most people.

Data point from the Japanese side of the web for the hell of it

>>18650144
毎日毎日エロゲーやるんで幸せになった
食料　宿り　娯楽　友達
鬱陶しい？
いえ全然ハッピーシュガーライフ
全てがHになる

>>18650177
Double negatives are only confusing for brainlets.

>>18650186
this

>>18650177
>The reason is it's confusing and elicits a "what did you just say" internal reaction from most people.
because the literary elite told them all that it's wrong
you've been brainwashed
fix yourself

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anyone want to try "representing" the following in english for me:
言えなくもない
とてもではないけどできない
しなければいけない

>>18650197
>"about 0 results"
>lists one result

>>18650211
>言えなくもない
It's not that you can't say
>とてもではないけどできない
This isn't a double negative.
>しなければいけない
Can't not

>>18650219
it seems like you skipped part of your assignment there buddy

is there a problem

>>18650225
Sorry, I don't follow orders.

>>18650217
tfw bad ending

>>18650239
Who won?

>>18650245
i don't even remember, i have a memory blackout

>>18650229
it was just a fun activity my friend no need to get all up in arms about it

while we're at it though maybe you can find me somebody to do part two since this one is a real banger

一人でも多く

>>18650211
gomen yomenai bakusho

Jesus christ, all of this posturing and bickering over someone asking about help with single sentence. You people need to get a fucking grip.

Today I will remind them.

>>18650275
as much/many as one can

>when you realize hello is この日は

>>18650310
best not to think that
今回 こん かい
今日 こん にち

>>18650297
chigau

>>18650322
nah

>>18650324
i dont understand

here maybe you can help represent this entire sentence for me since i am having a little bit of trouble wrapping my representers around the "grammar"

愛知県新卒者就職支援協議会（新卒者就職応援本部）では、厳しい雇用情勢が続く中、就職を希望する新卒者を始めとした若者が、一人でも多く、かつ、早く就職できるよう、地域を挙げて取り組んでいます

>>18650345
oh yeah in that context it means something else, i was thinking of it as a context like

「一人でも多くの人々にモバイルブロードバンドを」の動画をご紹介します。

>>18650289
youtu.be/UOLxZ5XHQqA#t=51 これがdjt

毎日こんなに食べられたらいいなあ

if the て form also means continuative whats the point of ている？

should I assuming the て form is always continuative if its not being used with another verb to give it the "and" meaning?

This rep thing is becoming more like a chore as days go by
I sometimes have to work for 10+ hours a day and by the time I come home, I'm too tired to do them
Any suggestions?
Maybe I should lower the new card amount?
Should I just drop anki and just put more time into reading?
Perhaps I should just stop learning japanese? I knew the whole guide was geared towards NEETs from the get go, but I thought I give it my best shot

>tfw legitimately learning Japanese entirely through anime and VN that you fap to
Who knew learning another language was so easy? I haven't touched a legitimate learning material in months.
My kanji is fucking terrible and after ~20 months I still can't write down the katakana and hiragana from memory (haven't written anything, really) but that's not really important to me. Speaking and listening is much more taisetsu to omoimasu.

My only goal is to be able to converse functionally by 2020.

kono burogo wo yomimasu, arigatou

>>18650607
>writing
Unless you plan on living in japan you won't ever need it

What do I sue to read actual manga since on /a/ they only argue about downloading anime so I never got a good manga reading program

>>18650607
Atleast have the decency to write in japanese on your fucking computer faggot

>>18650622
Use whatever the fuck you want mate it's all the same shit.
I use mcomix.

>>18650579
Do them in the morning