/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Sekai/Denpa/Maiden
>Tropical Liquor - Released
>Re;Lord ~Herford no Majo to Nuigurumi~ - Released
Koikuma - Needs testing, Waiting on a third party
Fatal Twelve - In QA, Late March release
2236 A.D. - English version released by the Japanese developer, Sekai release in QA
The Bell Chimes For Gold - In QA
>Dracu-Riot - Through QA, fixes from QA next
>Maitetsu - In QA, waiting on a third party
Nanairo Reincarnation - 100% translated, waiting on a third party for engine work
Baldr Sky - 50% translated, Combined release of Dive 1 + Dive 2 in mid 2018
Ley-Line: Daybreak of Remnants Shadow - 100% translated
Ley-Line: Flowers Falling in the Morning Mist - 50% translated
Riajuu Plus - Release "within a couple months"
Hoshizora no Memoria Eternal Heart - Kickstarter finished
Miko no Kanata - Picked up
Memory's Dogma - Code:01 Released, 02 onwards upcoming
Tenshin Ranman - QA and engine work next
Fault - Silence the Pedant - Demo released
Fault Milestone 2 - Side Above released, GE still to come
>CyberRebeat - In QA
G-senjou no Maou - Denpa version announced
Nekopara Vol 4 - Announced
Rewrite+ - Picked up
NarKarma EngineA - Announced
Senren * Banka - Picked up
Ninja Girl - Announced
Island Diary - Announced
Love Duction - 20% translated
Koi ni, Kanmi o Soete - Picked up
Subete no Koi ni, Hanabata o. - Picked up

Frontwing
Sharin no Kuni - April release, Scripting, debugging, and QA remain
Momoiro Closet - Kickstarter started, April 27th release
Island - 100% translated, 40-50% edited, 2018 release
2 upcoming secret announcements

Fruitbat
Seven Days - Picked up
Chuusotsu! 1st graduation - Kickstarter finished, demo released, March 2018 release

Sol Press
>Sakura Sakura - March release, demo released, Script 100% translated, image translation ongoing, Beta to be released to backers shortly,.
>Newton to Ringo no Ki - 95% of common route, 1st, 2nd route and third route translated, 76% of common route, 100% of 1st route, and 2nd route edited, demo released

Nekonyan
Fureraba ~Friend to Lover~ - March 30th release
>Fureraba ~Friend to Lover~ Mini Fandisc - Picked up
Hello,good-bye - 10% translated, 2018 release, Summer 2018 release
Sanoba Witch - 20% translated, Fall 2018 release
Melty Moment - Aiming for a release next Winter
Suki to Suki to de Sankaku Ren'ai - Early 2019 release

Other
Tayutama 2 - Q1 2018 release, delayed to revise scripts, R18 patch planned but may not be ready at launch
Hakuoki: Edo Blossoms - Spring 2018 release
Hemoimo - Dropped by SakuraGame and no longer being released on Steam, upcoming Fakku release planned within the next couple months
Magical Charming - Release planned
Song of Memories - 2018 release
Tsundere Idol: My Personal M-Pet! - Kickstarter succeeded
Neighbor - 2018 release, Kickstarter started
428: Shibuya Scramble - 2018 release
Angel Beats - 50% translated
Love Sweets - Picked up
Noratoto - Picked up
Himawari to Koi no Kioku - On Steam Greenlight
Harumade, Kururu - Seems to have an English release planned
Monmusu - 2018 release
Taisho Alice - Volume 1 released
Lucky Dog - Possible iOS released based on the ongoing text only fanTL
---
>Stuff like this has been either added or updated since the last thread

Dead board. Dead week. Dead scene!

Amagami this year, right?

>>18586871
>>Yosuga no Sora
woow

>>18586895
Like a corpse that refuses to stop twitching

>>18586833
>SukiSuki - In Beta

Only two more years to go!

day of the rake when

I haven't seen any poll from Sekai yet about the re-edit of Chrono Clock so I hope it isn't an physicals only thing. I also hope Sekai shills know to vote for a do-over and not just say any first translation is always perfect and no changes are needed because it has at least machine translation quality.

>>18586834
>Fureraba ~Friend to Lover~ Mini Fandisc - Picked up
Based.

>>18587332
Do you know what's based?

>>18587481
It is interesting how some go "Oh if most don't care, and some want the original spelling, we'll go with that" and others go with "I made this choice and I don't care if you dislike it".

There is still some room for learning at MG's staff.

>>18587614
I agree, but I do think they're mostly just rolling with this because they're desperate for a good first impression at the moment. Especially considering the disaster they left people with in regards to Hoshimemo.

It's a good start, but I'll stay cynical for now.

>>18587626
>the disaster they left people with in regards to Hoshimemo.
Nekonyan is not rebrended SP. Stop with this meme already.

>>18587644
Not relevant nor was that my implication. Akerou and Chuee are individuals who left people with a disastrous translation in Hoshimemo and, by their own admission, a supposedly worse one in SakuSaku (though I didn't think it was as bad as Chuee said it was ... he was probably just being bitter)

People associate those individuals with NekoNyan, and their reputation isn't exactly great. Even the Ribbit thread was going, "Oh, great. It's the guys who fucked up Hoshimemo."

>Maitetsu - In QA, waiting on a third party

Wait what, were there actual news?

>>18587960
Sekai "QA" means we have at least another year and a half until the release.

>>18587960
It is waiting on the developers to finish their all-ages build, which usually takes a year or so. And then they will release it and say "Oh adult patch will take another year because we are doing everything backwards and don't care about delivering 18+ version first".

>>18588083

Isn't the PS4 version coming out in a month or two? I recall seeing billboards on Akihabara today.

>>18588089
That would need to be ported.

>>18588083
Except Sekai hasn't done that for a while now. All their 18+ releases are simultaneous. Only recent exception to that is Grisaia.

Tropical Liquor has thus far peaked at 503 concurrent users, and thus far has 147 reviews. It appears like it is another significant success for a Sayori title and Sekai's best launch since Nekopara 3, although with most of the reviews thus far being in Chinese and the concurrent user count peaking in the mornings US time, it would appear that much of that success will be from the Chinese market.

Re;Lord has thus far peaked at just 8 concurrent users on Steam. There is an R18 patch available for the Steam release, so it is quite unlikely that the performance on Denpasoft is significantly better, but the title may find more success in the future once it inevitably gets added to additional platforms. Sekai labeled the title as "Re;Lord 1", so they likely have their eyes on continuing the series, although their initial Steam launch would unlikely justify continuing the series on its own. There is a market for H titles with game play on Steam, as Fallen ~Makina and the City of Ruins~ peaked at 595 concurrent users and has sold in excess of 10k copies in 2 weeks (and it has a higher price tag than Re;Lord on Steam), and off Steam has spent that entire time at number 1 on MG's store.

With regards to Denpasoft, they have fixed one of the flaws with their website presentation and now include a section with new releases at the top of their website, instead of just having them appear in a random order with the rest of their other titles. Nevertheless, they are facing a steep challenge trying to make the platform relevant, and their new initial push of releases with Girls In Glasses, Seven Days with the Ghost, and Re;Lord aren't likely to have accomplished all that much.

Creatures Romance peaked at 16 concurrent users on Steam, so as a short $2.99 meme title it does not appear to have taken off. That said, it is unlikely that Sekai put out all that much money for a title they put on sale for $2.99.

>>18588697
I assume you meant "There is not an R18 patch available".

Also, they really should fix their account page in the store already. It is like 1980 in store quality when all you can see is your order IDs and nothing else.

>>18588978
Double checking and they added the patch yesterday. So maybe it will pick up in speed as all who looked into this game on launch think it is an all-ages only title and left.

Terrible marketing as usual by Sekai.

Tropical Liquor is mediocre.
Ponkotsu is better.

I'm wondering if Sakura Sakura is going to make that March date.

>>18588083
As much as I rag on SP, they have been timely with their 18+ releases coming out at the same as the Steam version for a while now. And also, they'll probably release it through Fakku so there's no reason for that kind of delay

>>18589083
>Ponkotsu is better.
Was that in any doubt or something?

Getting out of 3rd party hell when

>>18586946
Some people want the whole VN translated. Or are the important routes already translated?

>>18589200
There's only one important route, and it's been translated for a very long time.

>>18589226
You need the unimportant ones to boost the import route's impression.

>>18589083
>Tropical Liquor is mediocre.
I was amazed at how one-dimensional the writing was, even more so than Nekopara.

I really like Sayori's artwork - it's a shame it's paired with such terrible writing. When even the most bog-standard moege looks good by comparison, you know your title is shit.

>>18589342
It's pretty bad, even her good art is mostly similar or copy pasted apart from 2 characters (Ema and Kei).

But I guess all that doesn't matter since it's the most successful ''visual novel'' so far this year.

>>18586871

Probably not, seeing how slow they are now, but speaking of which, they apparently released a translation sample of their scripts in their latest blog post.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/gi7e3qsc4l9o1s4/amg_sample_scripts.zip

>>18589342
I like Nekopara.

>>18590401
I don't mind it and enjoyed parts of it as well, but Tropical Liquor feels like the blandest cash-in I've played in a long, long time. So. Fucking. Boring.

>>18591780
So it's same as the Frontwing cashgrab. I dropped that after an hour.

>>18586833
>shitty huniepop clone illustrated by Sayori

Damn, signing a contract with sekai sure is scary.

>>18592110
You have to rebind your left mouse button to enter/space, long black screen transitions, no text speed adjustment. I could stomach the story for the porn, but this is starting to get to me. I think I will just get a full save.

It's here to mentally prepare you for SukiSuki.

>>18592199
Eh...
......
Eh...?
......

>>18592199
They should have released it next year then.

>>18592199
I don't know how you retards play shit like this.

>>18592432
I don't. I skipped all the dialogue and used screenshot for that shitty memorization game. I just wanted some voices for the ero. The scene was really bad, though. From 0 to anal to fucking cumming from my womb in 2 minutes. That's what happens when you have only 1 H-scene per heroine, I guess.

Hmm....

>>18592487
Getting worse?

>>18592487
How does the hair go underneath the eyes?

>>18592497
I picked one of the better CGs from Clannad, so it isn't really a fair comparison. But her art seems to vacillate quite a bit. For example her character sprites in Little Busters look awful and are worse than Clannad and even Air, but the ones in Rewrite look fine. Who knows.

>>18592487
I don't get it. Surely they could have got a mediocre, yet better than itaru artist for much cheaper, right? There can't be that many people who actually like her art.

>>18593398
I don't think it's that people like her art, but that they like the games she worked on (and their anime adaptations). So using her as an artist makes you associate the work in some way with Key, even if the game has nothing to do with them.

>>18593437
Also I think that when people think of her they may think of the anime versions of her character designs, which can look significantly better than their original VN art, e.g. Clannad.

>>18586833
>>18586834
Out of all of those games, there are only around 5 that I'm interested in playing. Shit sucks.

>>18594041
Maybe the problem is you.

>>18594630
I can only like what I like. I was saying the situation sucks.

>>18594041
Must suck not liking moege. I'm looking forward to about 20 titles.

>>18594671
It sucks even more liking guro, i have only one title to look forward.

>>18595217
I can enjoy guro too, but having only one fetish is so restricting. Go and try to enjoy more things.

>>18595229
>but having only one fetish is so restricting. Go and try to enjoy more things.
I certainly can, unfortunately i see nothing with bestiality, NTR and rape getting published soon... okay, now i see kuroinu chapter 3 is coming, so it's something... the ammolite title doesn't look too good and it's probably censored?

I can read and enjoy pretty much most of visual novels as long as the translation is good.
I finished ENIGMA: a few days ago for example and I was surprised how decent it was for an all ages title.

But most of the stuff that I'm looking forward to is stuck in some kind of translation hell like Bokuten, Maggot Baits, Sumaga and so on.

Hopefully Evenicle and Damekoi won't take too long to be released or I'll have to read more all ages stuff.

>>18595896
>all ages stuff.
Supipara ch.2 incoming..

Cherry Kiss Games announced 2 more VN on their Discord

>>18598497
no idea why people would pay for a straight up inferior version when the fan translation is of higher quality with more content.

>>18598497
I hope they bought quof's script at least

>>18598563
Ye they did

>>18598557
The translation of Harem Guild was shit.

Haro where da survey results at?

>>18599532
Coming out on April 1st I'm sure.

>>18598497
They will use the same translation, if it isn't uncensored, i see no reason to buy.

>>18598875
yes but it was BETTER than any of their previous translations.

>>18598875
please do not bully quof

>>18595896
>Maggot baits
>Translation hell

How can it be in translation hell if it's beinh translated?

>>18601568
100 lines a week is not "being translated"

>>18598875
Have you seen an average Cherry Kiss Games TL?

>>18601823
Yes it is. Translation hell indicates that we don't know where it currently is in the process or has been stalled for a long period of time. If you wanted to say it's been slow, then yeah.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m-kirN22zs
Third time's the charm, right?
>MoeNovel
Oh, never mind.

>>18602024
If the pace is so slow that it would take literally decades to finish even if it was a tiny nukige, it's in effect, not being translated.

>>18602113
You are redefining what translation hell is. Sekai and JAST fit the definition more than Maggot Baits does.

>>18602113
But it is being translated consistently. Every MG update, Maggot Baits is there.

>>18602078
At least there isn't anything for them to edit. Wasn't MiaZora okay except for the lack of 18+?

>>18602229
You haven't read CC, right?

>>18602134
No. You're redefining it on the fly to better suit your argument. Translation hell has never meant no translation is happening. The term for that is "no translation."

>>18602078
i mean it has to be better than the GHS patch right?

>>18602240
Nope, the whole mess with its translation history and apparently both translation sucking just never got me in the mood to read it.

>>18602289
Then don't comment on shit you don't understand. H-scenes are important in CC.

>>18602296
>H-scenes are important in CC.
I love my porn but H-scenes in CC are not important at all. Game is much better without them.

Whats that vn with the yandere 4th wall breaking

>>18602422
Totono

I wonder what version of the release they'll use, though either backporting the For All People console release or cutting content from the Final Complete PC release seems the most likely result. In either case, they'll likely use the Japanese console releases as a base for how they handle the censorship if they use an R18 release as a base for the localization. Provided that there aren't technical issues, an R18 patch using either the Ixrec release or the GHS release as a base should show up shortly after the VN is released as Moenovel obviously won't release the R18 version themselves.

Moenovel has historically only announced titles within a few months before they are ready to be released, so the same is likely to hold true here. That would mean that they had both A Sky Full of Stars and Cross Channel in the pipeline in parallel for some time, and since they went after these two big titles at once it wouldn't be a surprise if they have more titles in the pipeline as well. This also obviously means that while they were created to work on Pulltop titles, they are no longer sticking to purely Pulltop releases with them picking up Cross Channel from elsewhere.

Man i can't wait for monobeno all ages.

>>18602078
Did moogy commit suicide yet?

>>18602508
With Yumehaven being ran by the same people at AGM as Moenovel, there is also a chance that they'll have another Navel title in the works going through Yumehaven eventually as well if the team at AGM continues focusing on full length titles.

>>18602564
Maybe they can sell them for 2 dollars each to prove that they only people they try and ask 50 dollars from are eroge players.

>>18602769
The new tactic for visual novel publisher like Sekai Project and MoeNovel seems to be to release as much shit on steam as possible regardless of cut content and translation quality and then bundle it on Humble Bundle 6-8 months later.
Sekai alone made almost half a million dollar from their latest bundle.

>>18602801
Sekai brought in that much revenue, however they'll still likely need to be paying royalties which would eat up a bunch of that.

They should run a bundle for Denpasoft at some point like MG has done a few times, as that would have the added benefit of getting them emails for their mailing list.

Koropokkur is now live on Kickstarter.
https://www.kickstarter.. com/projects/1231894392/koropokkur-in-love-a-little-fairys-tale

>>18603098
Did 4chan blacklist kickstarter links? Based.

>>18602549
I wish. He's just ranting as usual about how Alicesoft is the greatest ever. It's almost comical how oblivious he is.

>RANCE 10 IS SO AMAZING AND HUGE I'LL BE PLAYING IT THE REST OF THE YEAR
>A week later
>Well, now that I've had a few days since finishing R10 to think about it, that thing it did that I said I wasn't a fan of WAS A SURE SIGN OF THE UNENDING GENIUS THAT IS ALICESOFT MAY THEIR LIGHT SHINE ON US FOREVER

>>18603593
You know everyone's praising Rance 10. You don't have to be mad.

>>18603597
I see I was too subtle for the fanboys.

>>18603601
No, I saw your point. That's why I said you needn't be mad about Rance 10.

>>18603607
Clearly you haven't if you think I'm mad about Rance 10, or making any comment about Rance 10 at all.

>>18603098
As expected, nobody so far has donated more than $160. An unproven VN with bad art isn't going to move things live pillow covers or wallscrolls.

Will Kid Wafter ever be translated? Kud isn't my favorite character from Little Busters! but I'd still like to play it

>>18604288
never say never but i'd imagine if it was gonna come out it would have been announced when they released little busters on steam

>>18604288
I doubt it. I've heard it's awful, anyway. The most you'll get is the anime. Even the fact that they're making that is kind of annoying; Tomoyo After should have gotten an adaptation before this stupid shit.

>>18604382
>Tomoyo After
if they adapted it i don't know if i could watch and go through that again

>>18604382
Also if it somehow did get translated it would be the all ages version. The two VNs Key has released that have 18+ versions only had their all ages versions released. So they haven't released anything 18+ in the west, and I certainly don't think they'd start with this of all things.

>>18604414
Clannad was sadder. As much as I like Tomoyo After, it never made me cry like a bitch, which Clannad did multiple times.

CHAOS;CHILD
PC
WHEN

>>18604493
>vn with happy ending versus VN with a sad ending
Tomoyo After hit me harder because that is how the story ends. There's no world-line jumping to one where things worked out.

>>18604550
I don't think it's a question of the ending, but of what sad events actually occur, and the sad occurrences in Clannad are sadder. Likewise in Clannad all of the sad shit actually happens and Tomoya lives through all of it for years. You continue on in the world with Nagisa dead and experience the consequences of it. In the VN the bad-end timeline is an actual ending and Tomoya only saves Nagisa in an alternate timeline, unlike in the anime (which I prefer). I think Little Busters is a better example of the ending cheapening things, since you don't ever really see the consequences of everyone dying or see Riki try to live through it in any meaningful way, they just all get saved immediately afterwards.

>>18604222
5k in a few hours is more than I honestly expected, especially since there haven't been any giant whale backers. It seems likely enough to make the goal, if perhaps barely.

>>18603098
>>18604222
>>18604713
Am I understanding the KS page correctly, that the game won't even have voice acting unless they raise $80k? Lol.

>>18604735
it'll have limited voice acting, probably for the main heroines.

>>18598875
quof fought in vietnam u piece of shit, show some respect

>>18604735
VAs/studio costs are pretty expensive and can take up a fair chunk of a VN budget. Especially if you get more well known ones which is what they seemed to indicate they were going for for the stretch goal.

>>18604862
Fighting in Vietnam doesn't make you better at translating from Japanese. Though the issues were more related to typos and his shitty writing skills. I'm not saying he hasn't gotten better since then.

>>18604884
>Fighting in Vietnam doesn't make you better at translating from Japanese.
Yes it does.

>>18604735
You could do it for $1.

>>18604884
>Though the issues were more related to typos and his shitty writing skills
A good edit pass could fix it up if the translation itself is accurate and they were the only real problems. Though ideally an editor shouldn't be as heavily relied on to fix the translators writing skills so much, but it seems to be the norm in the visual novel scene.

MG put up the Fashioning Little Miss Lonesome Hardcopy for March 29th.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/812560/CROSSCHANNEL_Steam_Edition/

Moenovel officially announced it and put up the Steam page for it. They note it is based on the For All People release and they unsurprisingly give away the initial twist in the game description.

https://twitter.com/DistantValhalla/status/973912551368085504

https://twitter.com/DistantValhalla/status/973912551368085504

>>18608388

???

They are passionate about making subpar translations like he does.

>>18608581
Doesn't even look like that.

>>18608718

Don't know Japanese, don't know Japanese people. Is there anything else this guy doesn't know?

Talking about the Cross Channel localization, I haven't read it yet but I was wondering how hard it is to read. I have heard about Tanaka Romeo's writing being hard to translate, but from what I've heard it also looks like it's more of an issue with the way English works. I'm not too well-versed in Japanese yet, but if it's just stuff like this post describes https://frogkun.com/2016/03/28/on-romeo-tanakas-writing/ then I should be fine reading it. Those of you who have read it, what do you think?

>>18608799
That section is only a small segment of Romeo's style. He's a master of prose, so he switches often. Here's a segment from Jinrui:

　語彙の選択が適度に卑怯で、多彩な修辞がさんざめき、表現の倒置は効果的に認識を揺さぶり、冷徹に写実したかと思えば、擬人化した花鳥風月にあらゆる叙情を演じさせ、センテンスの切れ目に浮かぶ静寂が饒舌に伝えるのも束の間、木訥さをもって畳みかける祝辞の輪唱は気付けば韻文学の余情をたたえ……それらは壇上に立つ卒業生の双眼が必要以上に潤むところで区切りよく軽やかに収斂していくのです。

I'm just wondering, if someone like GHS could easily make a Cross Channel patch, where do you find the tools for it?

Since Moenovel's is fated to suck, might as well try my hand at it and make more translations than the Bible.

>>18609071
Thanks anon, guess I will wait a little bit more to read it.

>>18609112
TLwiki, obviously.

>>18592487
Wow didn't know it was the same artist.
Thought it was a copycat type thing, looks phoned in.

>>18609381
The line art looks fine, but the coloring looks terrible, speaking as someone who liked Itaru's art in Rewrite.

>>18609550
Is Itaru doing her own colouring for this one? Could be the reason why it looks off, colouring in VN is usually done by another person, isn't it? At least in really big companies.

>>18609732
Yeah, Eroge! taught me so.

Koropokkur is nearing $15k after about a day, which would put it half way to its initial goal of $30k. Even with the shorten campaign period, it should relatively comfortably reach its initial goal, and there is a fair chance that it will manage to reach the $40k linux+mac+dual language support goal. However, at the moment it is showing no signs of becoming the much larger project that MangaGamer created stretch goals for, as it isn't on pace to get close to the $80k goal for full voice acting, let alone the additional stretch goals that go up through $200k. Before the Kickstarter started, Fatal Twelve had seemed like a comparative Kickstarter in terms of development, which managed to get to $50k after $19k in the first 24 hours. As a side note, the video on the Kickstarter page by Bamboo notes that MG has passed 140k registered users.

Aside from the Kickstarter itself, MangaGamer's "social media achievements" for the Kickstarter are pretty much accomplishing nothing. Near the bottom of the Kickstarter they have a bunch of goals for social media, along with unlocks after reaching 5, 10, etc, but nearly all of them are going to go unachieved. For example, they have achievements for both Facebook shares and Twitter retweets of 200, 500, 1k, and 2k, but after a day the tweet in question has 40 retweets (which could reach the first goal) and just 10 shares. The remainder of the goals (aside from one based on sheer number of backers) are generally for 4 digit increases in their subscribers/followers/etc for their various social media accounts, which also are very unlikely to happen as a direct result of the Kickstarter.

>>18609923
That Bokuten hardcopy right in front of Bamboo.
Will it ever be released at this point?

Fureraba's Steam page is up.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/822760/Fureraba_Friend_to_Lover/

>>18608799
you probably shouldn't be taking what frogkun says as gospel

https://twitter.com/NekoNyanSoft/status/974022797398892545

Not a surprise as they were using paypal, but NekoNyan halted preorders for Fureaba because of payment processor issues.

>>18610169
I wasnt, I never take anyone's word for granted, which is why I also asked here for more information to contrast.

>>18610352
I misworded: I meant you probably shouldn't be listening to it at all desu

Awesome.

>>18610437
The saddest part is, this will sell enough copies for them to turn a small profit since it's a highly rated and recognized title and WillPlus will release more visual novels on steam through MoeNovel in the future.

>>18610650
That's really the worst, like >>18602801 said you can just release visual novels and people will buy them regarldess of their state because that's the only translation available, they only know them through Steam or they don't like pirating. It seems like translating visual novels is becoming an easy way to make money. At this rate, considering how many translators going official now don't care much about their own quality or just aren't ready to take on those projects, I wonder how the scene will be in 5 and 10 years. It's especially bad that many of said companies don't care about who they hire either.

>>18610650
I find Yumehaven more sad. Navel refusing to discount their Shuffle game for years on years at MG, and then they give it to Yumehaven and Steam and just go "This all-ages game is trash so you only have to pay 20 dollars for it".

Where did their pride go? Where did their respect for their games go? Suddenly the no compromise, top rated game was only worth half. Like the writing was worthless and the characters soulless, and eroge was the only selling factor.

>>18610977
AGM is a drastically larger company than MG and would have been able to show Navel their involvement with Moenovel's 6 figure sales for IMMHW on Steam at the time when everything was selling ridiculously well. It isn't particularly surprising that Navel wanted that over the few thousand sales that MG netted them and figured the bigger mainstream company would be the better fit.

That said, while it obviously didn't become the next IMMHW sales wise and it had a relatively slow start, Steamspy suggests it has clawed its way to 8-9 thousand copies sold on Steam.

https://nekonyansoft.com/blog/fureraba-pre-orders-steam-release-more
Those NekoNyan idiots spelled "uncensor" as "uncensore" twice. kek

For supposedly being good with English, they sure do make a lot of spelling and grammar errors in official posts.

>>18611164
It's just a typo in a blog post, relax.

>>18611195
They make mistakes in almost everything they post, though. That doesn't exactly inspire confidence, especially in light of the issues Hoshimemo had.

>>18611145
>Moenovel's 6 figure sales for IMMHW on Steam at the time when everything was selling ridiculously well
to be somewhat fair, that shit has been on sale for dirt-cheap so many times that the figures aren't really as impressive as they seem

>>18610226
They noted that the potential problems with using Paypal for porn VNs never crossed their mind, and they dropped the preorders when a couple people pointed it out to them. They seem to have been completely unprepared for the challenges in selling R18 content, and they are likely in for an unpleasant surprise as they begin the painful process of looking for a payment processor who will be fine with their titles. They do have the benefit though that they have Steam+Fakku+Nutaku+Jast all selling it so they aren't all that dependent on their own storefront.

It does probably throw a kink into their preorder promotion though where you could get the mini fandisc for free by preordering it though their storefront.

>>18610437
Why do companies do this? I know there is the obvious profit motivation, but you can make money any number of ways. Why choose this specific hobby to ruin?

>>18611910
The 12 year old French girl market is going to be huge, anon.

>>18611910
I think it's exactly because it's such a small market that several companies don't feel compelled to put much effort in. Look at Sekai and how while their kickstarters have stayed the same their releases have gotten worse over time, and people still throw boatloads of money at them. That and there aren't many new releases each month for people to buy in the first place so they may just wait for the next month.

>the only upcoming localizations are exclusively dumb moe waifufag catering cancer
Why is this medium still "alive" again?

>>18611990
Because we buy VNs.

>>18611910
Ever since visual novels on steam aren't selling gangbusters, the new strategy seems to be like >>18602801 said.
Translate it for as cheap as possible, sell a few 1000's of copies either due to the titles popular name or due to uninformed steam buy fags and then bundle it for extra cash a few months later.

>>18611990
i only buy moege, stay mad fag

>>18612002
>>18612281
It hurts to know that Sakura no Uta will probably never be translated because so few people bought Subahibi, which is legitimately a great VN, but all this awful crap will get translated and turn a profit.

>>18614066
>Sakura no Uta will probably never be translated
Feels good.

>>18614133
B-b-b-b-but
>Frontwing
>2 upcoming secret announcements

>>18614066
Haven't bothered to read subahibi since frontwing decided to censor it and DMCA the restoration patch.

>>18614190
I doubt this will persuade you, but the thing that was censored is incredibly minor and inconsequential. They could have cut the entire scene out (rather than just one CG) and it wouldn't have negatively affected the game at all. Once I played the game it was quite a surprise how little it mattered given how much a shitstorm there was over it.

>>18614066
Plotgefags don't put their money where their mouth is, I guess.

>>18614203
Not him, but it was one of the most memorable moments of the game. Removing it completely changes the experience, even if it's irrelevant to the plot itself.

>>18614210
I can't relate to what you're saying. It's not even a full H-scene. It's like 10 lines of text. Did you realize that it didn't actually happen and was just a delusion in Zakuro's head?

>>18614220
Did you even notice how hilariously out of place it was or how silly the cg itself looked?

>>18614203
it's apparently important enough for frontwing to cut, refuse to release AND DMCA a fan-made restoration patch for it. I mean if a company is going to go THAT far to keep its product censored, I'm just not going to bother with it at all.

>>18614190
I get you not buying it for that reason but it's not like you still can't easily find the dog patch.

>>18614231
Oh I have the whole thing, including the dog patch. It's all installed and ready to go, I just don't have any desire to read it after dealing with frontwings bullshit. I'm suffering from the same issue with the muv-luv release as well.

>>18614229
FW's perceived legal importance of it has nothing to do with the actual importance of the CG to the game, as I'm sure you realize.
>>18614224
Sure, but at that point in the game you aren't exactly feeling very well, you know? I felt bad for several days after LGI ended. What I remembered most about it was the Zakuro bullying.

>>18614240
What scaji was going for doesn't matter. It was a very memorable moment for most likely a very large amount of the people who played the game, and removing it significantly changed the experience.

>>18614270
Well I can't argue with your opinion, as baffling as it is to me. At least you admit it's irrelevant to the plot.

>>18614220
What? It's not a delusion. The scene is the girl talking about what happened to her.

>>18614365
No, she doesn't tell Zakuro about it. She shows it to her in a vision. And of course they don't actually have magical powers of any sort, so it's bullshit. If it's anything, it's representative of Zakuro's psychological state after being raped.

>>18614414
Okay, I checked it and it's talking about memories flowing into her. However, how could you possibly say with 100% certainty that there are no magical powers when Ayana exists?
There is no way she could be a group hallucination like Yuki.

>>18614464
I'm not saying there's nothing supernatural in the game. I'm just saying that the two girls Zakuro kills herself with don't have magical powers. All of that crap they believed in wasn't true and it was a delusion they created to cope with having been bullied and raped. Everything was the fault of some ancient power that caused people to turn evil and victimize them because they're actually special and blah blah, and if they kill themselves they'll have their bodies restored so they'll be virgins again, etc. They probably found Zakuro from one of the bullying support forums she posted on.

>>18614511
No way to prove or disprove it.

>>18614595
I think it's provable that they were deluded given that they did the suicide ritual and none of what was supposed to happen happened.

>>18614612
The world didn't end.The three girls were thrown into an alternate dimension where everyone is nice to them, and they achieved their goals. The end.

>>18614066
But Subahibi translation is shit and you want me to buy it? Why would i do that?

>>18614766
Herkz please.

>>18614738
We know what happens to Zakuro in that timeline because she goes to help Yuki in Down the Rabbit-Hole 1, sends the text message that starts the ghost scare, etc., so no.

>>18614775
I fucking hate herkz and he even blocked me on twitter, the thing is subahibi tl is still subpar even when it's a cunt who tweet about it.

>>18614766
The translation is fine. The person that alleged it was bad did so through speculation without having access to the final scripts, and once the actual game was released they never demonstrated any of the problems they claimed. It was all a bunch of bullshit.

>>18614797
B-But it has honorifics.

>>18614797
>the thing is subahibi tl is still subpar
It has a few minor errors that an anon pointed out back when it was released, but other than that I haven't seen anything wrong with it.

>>18614210
>Not him, but it was one of the most memorable moments of the game.
You must fixate on the weirdest shit if you think that scene is memorable. If it wasn't for the shitstorm about it I probably would have forgotten ti was even in the game.

>>18614797
Herkz is a whiny little bitch who thinks extremely high of himself and can't stand anyone who doesn't think the exact same as him. It doesn't help that he associates with the elitist Moogy gang.

>>18614802
>>18614811
The translation itself is fine, but it could use another editing pass and it goes retarded at times. I know some people use "lol" in real life, but literally who uses "lolololol". At least you can tell that the translator put time into researching the philosophy the game comments on, so he doesn't have to make up and potentially ruin explanations and references to titles and concepts.

>>18614210
Come on anon, it was a couple lines of text with no value to the story other than "these girls suffered" which only justifies their suicide even more. SCA-DI could have removed that scene and it would have been fine, you don't really need to know anything about them other than their goal and what they motivate Zakuro to do.

>>18615115
By the way, by the last line I meant that that's all I could have found to be memorable in this case, it didn't cause me any kind of shock. I worded that wrong and came out as if I were looking down on your opinion, I can see why you would think that it's memorable, it just wasn't for me.

>>18615141
That's little bitch talk. Go and look down on his opinion, and claim yours to be better. That's the way it's supposed to be.

>>18615557
sorry I'm not Herkz enough for that

>>18615115
When was "lolololol" used? I only played the jap version but if it was just used during the forum post parts in place of "wwwww" that's not really a problem.

>>18614802
I've only seen these
>>/jp/thread/S17574863#p17587314
>>/jp/thread/S17540039#p17571121
which are pretty bad mistakes, and although they are probably just parts where the translator's brain turned off for a second, they do show the translation wasn't checked very well.

Please people you don't even know what you're talking about. Sakura no Uta will never get translated? What a joke.
Do you really think Frontwing or even Sekai Project will pass on a opportunity to kickstart and get at least 100k+ $ for one of the most highly rated visual novels out there.
The well of ''kamige'' is slowly drying out and MoeNovel (WillPlus) showed us the other day that companies will do anything to cash in on the few ''popular'' visual novels that aren't translated yet regardless of translation quality or cut content.

>>18615589
It was used everytime the two girls who bullied Zakuro laughed in real life. It's retarded.

>>18615644
SCA-DI said the sales disappointed him. It has more to do with the Japanese side of things.

>>18615681
Why are you fucking lying? I went from Kimika route split to karaoke and all I see is "ahahaha" and "hehehe".

>>18615748
One of many examples.

>>18615757
Show context.

>>18615761
They are just talking in real life. It happens all the time. I'm not gonna download the game again just to prove they decided writing "lololol" for real life use is a good idea. Believe whatever you want.

>>18615768
Sure thing, buddy. I believe you. Also, everytime is a really nice hyperbole when it didn't happen for the 2 in-game days I checked, rather being depicted by normal laughter.

>>18615776
Why are you defensive over a poor translation choice. Try checking all of it instead of just two random days if you want to make sure that happens frequently. But again, you can believe whatever you want. I wish I knew how to make the scripts readable, I attempted it once but I don't have the knowledge for it.

>>18615793
Those 2 days contain plenty of IRL laughter from the 2 of them, which should fall under your "everytime". Go ahead and provide actual proof instead of a screenshot with 0 scene context or original dialogue. If your autism gives you a reason to create a decryption tool for SubaHibi, everyone will be happy.

>>18615841
I think you are the one who should go a few layers down on autism anon, you are getting mad over someone not using the most appropiate term for a random and insignificant statement on the internet. There's really no point to it, just say the term was a bit of an exaggeration. There are still many instances of "lololol" and that is a horrible translation choice.

>Sakura Sakura - March release, demo released, Script 100% translated, image translation ongoing, Beta to be released to backers shortly,.
So i assume that this isn't coming out this month?

>>18615867
They said they're still shooting for it. I would much rather they delayed it.

>>18615867
Looks like it. I doubt they would release both within the same month, at that point they might as well release it already. Unless they plan on fixing whatever errors people find in no time and releasing it right after that.

I presume since Supipara pre-order is already up we won't see another pre-order until it's released on 12th april and not after they release Funbag Fantasy Side Story like I hoped.
Evenicle and Damekoi are so close yet so far.
Unless they are trying to get the ''remastered'' edition for Damekoi, then I don't mind the delays.

>>18615928
>Damekoi
Glorious ESL translation with no honorifics.

So even JAST is promoting that Mangagamer kickstarter.

>>18616009
Not helping much. The campaign's been slow the last 24 hours.

>>18616009
that's a bit of a surprise

Is Key gonna release any more of their VNs through Steam? I'd gladly buy more of them. I'm especially interested in Rewrite if only because one of my favorite bands does a OP for it.

>>18616009
>>18616112
If only SP would retweet it, their kickstarter sheep would fund this in less than 24 hours but SP isn't even following MG on twitter.

>>18616632
Rewrite+ will most likely be released on steam when(if) translated.

>>18616641
SP is translating Rewrite+ so don't expect it in the next 2 years or so, especially considering how large it is.

>>18616695
>SP is translating Rewrite+
Conj-poop is pretty fast desu.

>>18616009
Haro is friends with someone who works there

>>18616695
Well, at least I know its coming. I'm ok with anything that has Psychic Lover in it.

>>18615928
Eh, after Kyonyuu Fantasy is plausible enough if the game is coming out at the end of April or something.

>>18616802
I already pre-ordered Funbag Fantasy and since I got paid today I wouldn't mind another pre-order after they release it before I waste most of my money on gacha and alcohol.

>"people" have spent years in this general when they could've learned Japanese by now

>>18617224
I recently quit learning japanese and my overall happiness skyrocketed. Learn from my mistake kids and resist the temptation to learn those squiggles.

>>18588112
>Except Sekai hasn't done that for a while now. "All" their 18+ releases are simultaneous but that din't happen with Grisaia.
That dosn't compute. All is all and if the +18 version of Grisais was delayed for a whole year then I barelly can see any improvment.
SakuSaku delay aside

>>18617317
At what point did you quit?

>>18617369
Good enough to pass n2.

>>18617379
jej

>>18617379
Good enough to translate for SP.

>>18617224
Implying I don't frequent both 2ch and this place.
But for real, 2ch can be quite boring, this is still a better place sometimes.

>>18609923
It's one of those things. I am sure their next project will be better. But for now I am just hoping it gets funded.

>>18610126
I might try it out to see if it's good.

>>18617379
>I quit learning after I learned well enough to read porn games
Well memed

>>18617543
It's not happening, but I wonder how a Eushully kickstarter would go. It has been years since Kamidori, and while people are discovering it, many are done with or forgot it.

>>18618121
I see Eushully more with JAST, considering that they even managed to get Majikoi somehow.

>>18615681
>>18615757
>>18615768
>>18615793
>>18615862
The usage of "lol" etc. in normal conversation was limited to one scene, when they were all talking in the bathroom near the beginning of LGI. I haven't played the Japanese version but from what I have been told the Japanese text uses "wwwww" at this point, so the translation is correct. The idea that it happens "all the time" is simply wrong, though.

>>18618121
I would whale it.

>>18615928
At the very least, I doubt they'll put up another big, non-Steam title, especially something like Evenicle, for preorder until they get their current payment processor issue resolved (as Visa cards at the moment aren't being accepted).

SubaHibi is overrated brainlet trash.

It was before it was translated, and it still is now.

>>18620159
Just because /vg/ is down doesn't mean you need to post here.

>>18620186
This is going to be the new go-to meme every time someone says something you don't like for a while isn't it

>>18620455
You need to comprehend the other anon, there are many people over at /vg/ who say the exact same, some ironically and some unironically, but it's so frequent that's become a sort of catchphrase at this point.

>>18620492
I was talking about the image, actually.

>>18620512
Oh nevermind then, it's been deleted already so I didn't get to see it. My bad.

all VNs are embarrassing garbage, at least moege understands what it is and embraces it

>>18598875
Looking back, my editing skills were fucking terrible in comparison to now days. And I still don't consider my editing skills to be all that great.

>>18620544
The same reason LoL is popular among MOBAs, the most retarded genre to ever grace video games?

>>18614066
I bought it and played it. It was really good. But the art is a bit old.

>>18617224
>Implying I don't learn it everyday and visit here for fun.

>>18618121
I think it will be funded as long as they do basically turn it around with different color pallette, and show off some ideas for VA, etc. They need to show that they also agree the color palette is not that good.

Also Eushally would do really well. Initially. But I think MG is trying to do their own made titles instead which I can not blame them for. I think MG can easily get the license eventually with the work on Rance.

>>18620988
The (female) art felt great to me, it's just not stylized the way anime-related content is being stylized now. The male art is just bland because SCA-JI can't into drawing males.

>>18621076
>The (female) art felt great to me
In Subahibi? Honestly the girls in there look like they were put on a stretcher and were forced to starve for a few weeks.

>>18621083
Guess it's a matter of taste at this point then.

>>18616009
>>18616631
It probably does probably help that J-List will likely be selling the hard copy of Koropokkur in addition to MG provided it reaches its goal, like they do most other MG hard copies (even having preorders up for the yet to be released Fashioning Little Miss Lonesome)

>>18621094
>>18621076
>>18621083

It's not bad honestly, it has its own style and is really better than moe stuff. But compared to some other recent VN it looks a tiny bit older in comparison. It could be in some ways it looks a bit flat in some areas.

BTW, for those that don't know.
/vn/ got temporally relocated to /jp/.
>>18617481

Spread the word, thread is deader than usual.

>>18621361
no, fuck off /vg/ scum

>>18621361
No thanks. VG deserved it.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1231894392/koropokkur-in-love-a-little-fairys-tale

Someone might have already noticed this since it's been a few days but the title for the game Naito Miyu worked on has a typo in it Bokura no Sekai ni ShukufuKU wo
but anyway

>>18621853
ah
I was rereading his description and noticed this:
>His specialties lie in depicting fantasy worlds, composing well place dialogue between characters, and inserts plenty of jokes and gags.
Mangagamer please,
don't moenovel your english and don't sekai project your kickstarter

>>18621901
>and don't sekai project your kickstarter
But that is how you get money apparently. Out of all their Kickstarters only one failed to get funding.
https://www.kickstarter.com/profile/sekaiproject/created
People seem to just eat it up no matter how many times they have fucked up before.

>>18621977
I was surprised to hear that one of their kickstarters had failed, turns out it was some BL shit. Makes sense.

>>18620124
They can just sell it at JAST or Fakku

>>18621361
Er, so what happened?

>>18621901
>and don't sekai project your kickstarter
Wouldn't that mean they were buying the TL from someone else?

There was a rumor a few months ago that MG got another RPG visual novel and a BL license, were there any hints on what it might be?
As a gameplay fan I'm quite curious what the RPG title might be since I doubt it's another Rance title considering that they have 3 Alicesoft titles to release yet.

>>18623004
Wait for the survey results. Any hints to any titles they might have picked up will appear there.

>>18623004
lol

It's not a VN. It's another piece of shit like Demon Maker Chris.

>>18623004
lol

It's not a VN. It's another piece of shit like Demon Master Chris.

>>18623466
I'm not really surprised considering that Fallen ~Makina and the City of Ruins~ has been on 1st place in their Top 5 weekly for almost a month.

Even Retarnia was there for a few weeks and it stayed there longer than Sorcery Jokers at least.

>>18623562
Some people are starved for gameplay titles. The quality of some of them is debatable, but there seems to be a good amount of people who want them.

>>18623562
Steamspy suggests Fallen is up to around 13k copies sold on Steam, and the daily concurrent users on Steam is still around 50 concurrent users (after initially peaking at 595 concurrent users). It just happens to be a relatively successful title, so it isn't too surprising to see the offsite release continue to sell as well.

>>18623695
I don't get those people. Nothing is more annoying than gameplay titles with scene unlocks. Unless of course you only played it for gameplay and didn't care that there were CG in it.

>>18623466
I liked DMC. It was a lot better than Retardnia, at least.

>>18623802
How is it fundamentally different, playing through a game to get an H-scene vs. reading through a novel to get an H-scene?

>>18623466
But Demon Master Chris is a VN -_-

>>18624121
A novel you'd just skip up to the new content and decisions. That would be the fundamental difference to a gameplay title.

>Tsujidou-san no Jun'ai Road 100%
>We’ll now start our QC/Image Editing/etc, which takes up max 2 weeks. Our next update will be the final one for Tsujidou.

>>18625029
Very good news. Looks like we might get it before April 8th.

>>18625029
Wonder if Trip will finally take a proper break before moving onto Hoshi Ori. He has basically been working non-stop at an exceptional pace for two years now.

>>18625060
he's doing the hatsukoi appends first

>>18625073
god no

who the fuck wants more hatuskrap

>>18625119
i want more yukino, fuck you

>>18625029
Is this good?

>>18625343
the common route is pretty damn fun, but they kinda ruined everything in Ai's actually route.

the protag begins to moralize like a dumb faggot and forces his girlfriend to change to his preferences and it sucks

>>18625453
yeah it made no sense considering the premise of the VN, i did like Ai in general though

>>18624967
DMC is linear, all content is new.

>>18623004
BL license is generally theorized to be Luckydog1. The translator stopped updating in November last year. Some noticed the translator started following various Mangagamer staff on twitter.

Also the owner of Kalmia8 (Jinnai) where Mangagamer licensed Fashioning Little Miss Lonesome is heavily involved with Luckydog1.

Mangagamer pls, i can't wait more for tsumiboroshi-hen ;_;

>>18623004
BL license is generally theorized to be Luckydog1. The translator stopped updating in November last year. Some noticed the translator started following various Mangagamer staff on twitter.

Also the owner of Kalmia8 (Jinnai) where Mangagamer licensed Fashioning Little Miss Lonesome is heavily involved with Luckydog1.

The web translation has 3 of the 4 routes translated. The last route was half done when they last updated in November. So they'll probably complete it this year.

>>18626094
I gave up waiting and just pirated the old translation. I'll buy the new stuff when it comes out and is on sale. This level of waiting is unacceptable, especially for a series as easy to spoil as this.

>>18625343

>>18628565
So it's bad then?

>>18625343
Good common route, dogshit girls routes.

What VNs would you like to see translated and why? Eushully, August, Leaf and Type-Moon dont count.

>>18629119
SCA-DI's other VNs.

>>18629119
They are my noble master, amigami,and various anime based visual novel spin-offs. I think anime and VNs have a pretty good synergy that is wasted on the English market only releasing one of the platforms.

>>18629119
Otome Domain, Otoboku 2 & 3, most of Ensemble's series. Trap protagonist games don't get much attention. Chuablesoft had one too, but they died.

>>18629119
Give me something I have not seen before. I want some plotge that is not in fantasy realms.

>>18629491
Unless you are referring to new non-fantasy plotges, there are many already.

>>18629119
Oiran Rouge

>>18629119
Every Lose game.

>>18629119
More netorare. Reasons are obvious, I think.

>>18630721
Luckily for you, Maitetsu has been translated for a year.

>>18629119
I want a faithful translation of Romeo Tanaka's works, but all we get are awful translations and a faithful one would require an incredible team and allowing them to put in a huge amount of time.

>>18630947
The new translation of Rewrite will probably be fine.

>>18629119
anything from orcsoft and lilith

>>18632682
Oh yeah that one will be good for sure, but it's Rewrite+ which destroys part of the characterization and makes random absurd changes.

>>18629870
Non fantasy is exactly what I am looking for. I do not mind some things based on supernatural or even Psychological. But I always see either moe or something about elves etc.

>>18632852
What if they inserted a part of the characterization from the non remake. To keep it orthodox.

>>18632852
I've never been able to find much information about what exactly was changed; e.g. VNDB just says "direction and scenario improvements by Tanaka Romeo".

>>18632999
Then some of my recommendations are all of SciADV and SCA-DI's VNs.
As for SciADV, first read Chaos;Head NoAH, Steins;Gate, Robotics,Notes and Chaos;Child.
NoAH is the Director's Cut of Chaos;Head and it adds 6 new routes and some major changes. Basically you are missing on the whole story by reading the base release.
Each Chaos; title has a true sequel with "Love Chu Chu" on their names, they are skippable but at least Chaos;Head LCC is recommendable (C;C LCC kinda sucks).
There's also Robotics;Notes Elite which changes a couple things from the original, has more polished models and cutscenes from the anime. It's recommendable over the base game but there's almost no change so you can read either of them. It's also quite recommendable to read Robotics;Notes/Elite only after NoAH and S;G.
Technically there's Occultic;Nine but it's not part of the same universe and it's goddamn awful. Don't read it unless you are a hardcore fan of the series.

>>18633060
If I may add recommendations which I haven't read yet but I've heard are plotges liked by most and quite cherished by their fans, Muramasa, Baldr Sky, Umineko, Higurashi and Fata Morgana.
I also forgot to add Clannad, it's awesome in my opinion but you must stand several dozens of hours of tedious SoL to get to the awesome parts. As much as I love it, I don't recommend if you can't deal with that.

>>18633060
I forgot to say, you can read Steins;Gate 0 after the original but it's trash too. You are better off watching the anime, it'll probably even be better than the VN because the latter is filled with useless red herrings, plot points that lead nowhere, horrible pacing and just plain bullshit most of the time. There's only one good chapter.

>>18633083
>I also forgot to add Clannad, it's awesome in my opinion but you must stand several dozens of hours of tedious SoL to get to the awesome parts. As much as I love it, I don't recommend if you can't deal with that.
I would never recommend someone the Clannad VN unless they already watched the anime and liked it. The anime is a great adaptation, especially After Story, and IMO becomes better than the VN after a certain point. You also don't have to play the game for 80 hours to get to the best part (After Story) or deal with the VN's convoluted mechanics.

>>18633137
i would recommend the clannad VN only so you can read tomoyo after

>>18633197
Don't get the wrong idea, I love the VN. It's just that After Story is the part of the VN that truly makes it special, and getting to that point (and the true ending) is such a long and convoluted process that I think it's better to experience the story in a more focused manner first. To play Tomoyo After you'd really only need to read Tomoyo's route, though. It doesn't have much connection to the rest of Clannad.

>>18634013
New thread up with this week's updates.