/jp/ - Otaku Culture

If Kimi doesn't get a kid, I riot.

次回はヴェストファーレン会議だよ全員集合！だから四聖も揃うだろう
教皇総長もいい加減出てくるだろうし

So now they are talking that next arc will be Westphalia?

>>18596923
Yep

So the J-Novel announcement with a "No part of the Horizon series" hint was Infinite Stratos.
I feel slightly insulted.

>>18597212
Hahaha
IS is garbage anyway

>>18597212
Certainly an epic troll though. It would be very hard to find two LNs more opposite.

>>18597212
And I'm wondering how is that anon right now, ashamed as fuck for being so naive?

Horizon wasn't, and never will be licensed.

>>18597070
Is obvious that Westphalia is next, that's the final stage for the entire world to take a desicion and that didn't happened on volume 10.
After that the final confrontation to solve the apocalypsis because, again, there isn't enough information and it doesn't match the timeline.

Keeping on keeping on. Ever so slowly.

>>18597551
I wish I could redo that photo.

>>18595280
Jesus, Asama looks like a FemArnold, or some such there.

>Baka-Tsuki has up through 6-A complete
>NovelUpdates shows 6-B in progress
>still have 7-9 to get to
This is gonna take years to finish the translations, if they even finish. Lack of translators is the problem, I'd guess.

>>18598311
>T. Homo

>>18598343
Ackchyually, Asama is my favorite Horizon; that just looks like an oddly distorted pic somehow.

>>18598340
Baka Tsuki has 6B in progress too, but Kawakami stuff is secondary to Kamachi stuff and has always been like this.

>>18598340
This post has the similar thread from the one of the last thread, get out once and for all.

Also translations will be done in time, Js06 never leave his works, Horizon is incredibly hard to translate and nobody else can do it, so get your shit right before getting in here without knowing what's going on.

>>18598366
Well that's fair. Just gotta wait like everyone else.

>>18598386
>This post has the similar smell from the one of the last thread
Messed up.

>>18598366
Don't bother on giving more (you)s, look the last thread and you will see who is that guy.

>>18598340
C'mon dude, in the previous thread everyone told you that we don't need your help so why are you still trying to get into other people's works?

>>18598432
I'm not that anon, I have no idea what went on in the other thread; I just found this one today.

http://199.204.185.30/new_neta/pixmicat.php?res=2621361

chinese

>>18599688
Huh, never realized chinese have their own chan.
I shouldn't have been surprised by this but I was.

>>18599688
Don't know what pisses me off more, the fact that japanese and chinese are fucking hard or how chinese looks like a fucking dirty bunch of moonrunes.

>>18598452
>>18598340
Assuming the question to be true and made of ignorance, I'll bite.
Quantity of translator was never a problem. It was more of finding someone willing to keep up with someone with massive autism which is rare nowadays.
Consider the following: Horizon alone has had 20 whole volumes translated over these 6 years, along with 15 volumes of OnC, 7 volumes of CITY, and 4 volumes of Hexennacht.
Add that onto all the other stuff he's doing, things are actually moving on at a steady pace.

>>18600270
I honestly don't think that anyone who was around before js06 picked up OnC and then the rest of Kawakami's works complains about the rate of translation.

We know it'll take years.

>>18600521
Before Js06 came, what little there even was on BT approached Hadena tier. I'm not too happy with all the bitter smiles, but it's laughably beyond comparison.

Anime-only fag here, season 3 when?

>>18600956
Never.

>>18599688
So... Narimasa fights Maeda to let Musashi escape and Sanada Nobuyuki fights Sanada Nobushige for the same reason?

>>18597043
Seconded. Kimi needs to be bred.

>>18597043
>>18603661
She already raised sensei.
Isn't that enough?

>>18603908
No

>>18603976
Well, it's also possible she birthed sensei, seeing Horizon and Toori were dead in the future futurepast.

>>18603661
Still hoping she's Fukushima's other mother, but I know that its probably flat honda.

>>18604162
>>18604205
Is almost like you 2 didn't even read the threads or the spoilers holy shit.

>>18604219
It's almost like I'm speculating based on having the LN.

>>18604240
Hey! Those moonrunes could mean anything! We're onto you, anon! Just kidding, I'm sure your telling the truth on the internet.

>>18604240
>Read the LN
>Can't confirm anything
Half assed assumptions don't count anon.

>>18604325
I don't read the LN, I'm just skimming stuff after taking the photos of the illustrations.

I can't confirm anything because I don't read whole chapters and I have too much of a gap in my knowledge of details.

>>18604240
>>18604255
>>18604325
C'mon, everyone knows that the only one who can really provide info is js06. Theories and spoilers are nice and all that but we really need confirmation, for that just wait for the usual summary.

>>18604338
Bitches can you show how destroyed are those poor books after scanning them?

>>18604347
I don't scan them. Isn't it Ivan who does that?

>>18604376
Probably, I remember someone posted the image of a destroyed volume while ago.

>>18604513
Probably Ivan. I've scanned a few doujins and it's basically the same but with many more, smaller pages.

Anyway, on the right it has.
>もしも先生が愚弟とホライゾンの子なら、それは本人同士の子供じゃなくて、何処かで母体となるシステムや誰かが代理を望んだ、という事になるわね。
Which means something like
>If Sensei is (Toori) and Horizon's child, that wasn't by their choice but the wish of some system or someone acting as a substitute mother.

Kimi then calls her future self a hopeless woman and explains the meaning of the name Makiko.

>>18604622
>真喜子。―真においては喜美の子。
Seems something like "Actually Kimi's child".

>>18604622
I could help you but that piece of text needs more context,pretty much says what you posted but is not confirming anything.

Can you take pics of that part?

>>18604789
see >>18604240

>>18604347
>>18604513
Ivan and Muton are taking turns with the scanning, as far as I understood it.
You mean this one?

>>18605108
This is a christian board! where is the fucking spoiler!
Yeah that one ty.

>>18605108
Never thought I'd see book porn.

>>18605108
This is some guro shit right here.

So index is getting season 3 this year you think horizon might get a season 3 soon?

>>18605478
You definitely didn't watch the dengeki stream

>>18605487
I definietly didn't want to fill me in?>

>>18605501
Everything except Index got a new season. Remember Boogiepop? Dengeki does.

>>18605509
but they released a trailer saying we are getting season 3?

>>18605515
They confirmed a new anime project, not a season 3.

>>18605509
>>18605531
Are you really trolling or what? Index 3 was confirmed last year, get your shit right dude. There is another project for Index coming aside Season 3 and nobody knows what it is, it could be railgun or accel manga.

>>18605478
>>18605515
And to answer your question, Horizon season 3 will never happen.

>Too much work
>24-26 episodes minium for volume 3
>Love Live still kicking and sunrise making shit ton of sheckels
>Studio 8 disbanded
>The only way to get S3 is getting S8 back together and put Kawakami working with Sunrise again

So then there's only one that's unaccounted for.

>>18605667
Takenaka is not a descendant of anyone in Class plum. The info on that wikia is outdated.

>>18605681
Shakespeare then?

>>18605681
Forgot to add that Katagiri has nothing to do with Masazumi either, he's the son of Suzu and Toori.

>>18605686
That's why I marked Suzu

>>18605684
2 of the speers have nothing to do with the kids from the Avalon in their timeline, this is Js06 spoiler.

>When asked how a group created before Mikawa could have been made for that goal, he reveals that the above 8 Spears (i.e. all but Mitsunari and Takenaka) are their future children who were extracted from destiny's future, so they know for a fact that Musashi's methods will fail and the Genesis Project is the only way of saving the world.

>>18605698
That still leaves Fukushima. Is Toori bold enough to go for her too?

>>18605711
Dude... Toori is fucking dead, most of his descendants were born from using his DNA. From the previous volume it seems Fukushima is actually Futayo and Masazumi's daughter.

>>18605722
That's incestuous and gay as fuck

>>18605731
>Implying they have any biological connection
I don't have enough faces or palms to react to your post.

>>18605722
The obvious ending here is that the children will fade away or die and then be born much happier in this timeline.

>>18605740
Yeah probably, after all their mission is done in this world and their timeline will be cancelled if Musashi manage to win against Nobunaga and Destiny.

>>18605740
But the current timeline is already completely different to the timeline they are from. If they were going to fade they really should have already.

>>18605783
Something something fate is being suppressed

>>18605783
Before humanity gave Destiny a personality in the Age of Dawn the fate of the world was running like always, but right now that's not happening, thanks to Destiny being aware of what's happening and trying to reset the world.

>>18605783
>>18605740
>>18605751
Contradiction Allowance.

>>18595280
>Wait for Js06 and his suummary
where is js06?
raildex stuff?

So according to the spoilers the fights in this volume are.

>Sanada Nobuyuki vs Sanada Nobushige
>Sassa Narimasa vs Maeda Toshiie (Recreation of the Siege of Suemori)
>Satomi Yoshiyasu vs Black God of War
>Tachibana Gin vs Tachibana Dousetsu
>Horizon vs Ishida Mitsunari (in Hashiba's body)
>Zwei Eisen vs Zwei Fräulein
>Rudolph II vs Shima Sakon and Kani Saizou
>Ishikawa Kazumasa vs Makiko Oriotorai (and Aoi Kimi)
>Silver Wolf vs Black Wolf
>Honda Futayo vs Fukushima Masanori
>Asama Tomo vs Hirano Nagayasu
>Naomasa vs Hachisuka Koroku
>Tenzou Crossunite and Mary vs Katou Kiyomasa
>A race to win Musashi

>>18607894
Dont forget
>Asama and Nate vs the dick

>>18607927
That's not a fight, there is no conflict there.

>>18607894
A race to win Musashi? Now that's interesting. Anything mentioning if Musashi is backup or she's still KIA?

>>18607944
The way people is talking points that Musashi is definitely back and shows up with her usual "To all citizens of Musashi" speech.

>>18607954
Hmmm then she resurrected or her OS was saved.

>>18607894
And the big things left are:
>Westphalia
>Battle of Sekigahara
>Siege of Osaka

And the final battle that at this pace I would be not surprise if it's in the moon.

>>18608074
Yeah is pretty sure there will be more volumes, at least up to volume 12 I believe.

Sekigahara alone is a huge massive part of the history alongside the siege of Osaka. Slap on top of that Westphalia and you have a lot of content,

Is mentioned how much time is left until the apocalypsis? I remember from v9 that around 2 months are still left.

>>18608175
I want Westphalia to get the OnC "all Gears negotiation treatment" and have at the very least an entire book just of people politicing with every country involved.

If anyone missed it.

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Volume_6B_Chapter_38

>>18608234
I loved that part so much.
My politicsboner is going full throttle just imagining Westphalia.

>>18608500
Thanks.

>Neshinbara spoke slowly.
>He did not need to provoke his opponent here, so he sent out his words and the meaning they contained.
>“Houjou will join Matsudaira’s forces. After that, you will be with us, not some other entity.”
>“You mean…?”
>“Judge.” Neshinbara nodded. “If you want to go to the outside world’s India, that will be our task.”
>“…And when will that happen?”
>“Who can say?”
>He did not know, so he was not about to give an answer.
>Of course, that response would anger her.
>…It’s coming, isn’t it?
>Ujinao wrinkled her brow like this was a self-evident fact.
>“You cannot be that flippant about-…”
>“Can you not wait? Are you going to head out there on your own instead of waiting?”
>“Of course we will! We must acquire our freedom after our fall!”
>“I see. So you’ll be leaving. That’s too bad.”
>Neshinbara sighed. He made a show of it. Everything about it was exaggerated.
>“Yes, it really is too bad you’ll be leaving to develop the outside world.”
>“…Is that a problem?”
>“Judge.” Neshinbara frowned. “Does this mean you won’t be marrying Noriki-kun?”
>“Then I will not leave.”
>She immediately responded.

This is great.

So if we get another one the next Girl Talk will be about the Spears right?

>>18609475
Not quite, girls talk volumes are focused on musashi's girls only and is placed on the events of early volumes of horizon.

>>18609522
Girls Talk always have a part in the present though. It's basically the girls meeting up and talking about something it happened in the past. But now that the spears are with their parents, that >>18609475 possibility opens.

>>18609577
I could be a possibility if the speers don't vanish, which is most likely going to happen.

>>18609929
I have seen the japanese fans talking about that and they got to the conclusion that given that Contradiction Allowance is the main rule of this world it's not likely at all to happen.

>The Spears are the children of the main cast
>Logic dictates children are younger than their parents.
>The spears are old enough to be considered adults.
>They are simultaneously young and old

Volume 11 is going to be Ohiroshiki finally getting his youth harem.

>>18611072
Technically speaking, the speers are 2nd years while Musashi are all 3rd years. That's why the negotiations are mainly done by the Five Peaks and PA ODA's staff.

My copy finally arrived.

Horizon 10-C Chapters 55-59:
The stage is already set to make Toori into a god because he has inherited Motonobu's name and Motonobu is later deified as Toushou Daigongen.
Musashi pretends their festival has overloaded their divine transmissions so they have an excuse to wait until it's all over before informing the rest of the world about the deification.
Inside an area of compressed space and time created by Sakuya and located within the gate between life and death, Asama uses a Shinto spell to divide Toori into two of himself (the upper limit is 4) and a Toori joins Asama and Mito in separate versions of the compressed space.
The rules laid out by Sakuya are that any time he cums inside their body in any way (i.e. blowjobs count as much as vaginal sex) qualifies as 1 "sex" and cumming on the outside of their body counts as half a "sex". They need a combined total of 1501 "sexes".
Due to an oversight in how Asama designed Toori's ether-sharing spell, once it was activated, he started cumming more for each person he is sharing ether with (there was a long explanation of how this makes sense), so since he shares ether with an average of 56 people a day, he cums 56 times as much as a normal person.
Asama and Mito manage to convince Sakuya to count each "sex" as 5 "sexes" since he cums so much.
Asama double checks to make sure their voices aren't being transmitted out to everyone like what happened with Horizon, but immediately after she's put her mind at ease, Horizon's arms accidentally open a connection back in the normal world and their voices are sent to everyone in Class Plum.
Masazumi casually mentions the Residence of the Deceased meeting room in the Okutama nature district she sometimes visits to read in peace, but it turns out the place has been in ruins for a long time. When they go check it out, it is indeed in ruins and they have no good explanation for what Masazumi had seen.
After reaching the required number of "sexes" (and reaching over 1800 because they went a little overboard), they start the actual resurrection ceremony.
During the ceremony, an M.H.R.R. fleet approaches to attack.
They cannot complete the final step of the ceremony because Amaterasu has noticed what they're up to and is interfering, so Kimi summons Uzume with her dancing in order to fight back against Amaterasu.

>>18612521
I don't even know what the fuck is going on anymore.

>Horizon's arms accidentally open a connection back in the normal world and their voices are sent to everyone in Class Plum.
Payback
>After reaching the required number of "sexes" (and reaching over 1800 because they went a little overboard)
This is how Kasuya and Hirano are conceived.

>>18612577
Kawakami got Dengeki to publish porn, basically.

>>18612585
But what about the volumes before?

>>18612521
Great.

>>18612585
It's not even "camouflaged" like the Natemaman stuff?

I wonder how Kawakami does it.

>>18612521
>>18612585
Can you elaborate a bit more about what Masazumi saw please?

>>18612580
Wrong, they were made using Toori's DNA.

>>18612754
Notice the "are" present tense. Implying that the ones from this timeline will be conceived that way.

>>18612618
He still avoids explicitly naming anything, but it's more detailed than I remember the previous stuff being.

>>18612744
Whenever she went there before, she saw the building intact and there were people there, but in reality it had quickly fallen into disrepair after being built 30 years ago and no one ever goes there.
FYI, it was built by Motonobu.

How does one go to previous threads? I need to read up on some of these summaries

>>18612863
Thanks for the clarification, ah man there it goes more and more mystery surrounding Motonobu.

>>18612885
Using the archive, you have different pages that have previous threads depending on the boards so find one that saves /jp/ threads.

I wanna read this series, where exactly does the end of the anime start in the LNs?

>>18614492
Don't read from the end of the anime, read from volume 1. There are lots of missing details and information depite being an ok adaptation.

>>18612521
>>18612744
>>18612863
This place?

>>18612521
Not even suirprised.

I have disappointingly caught up with all the completed Horizon volumes now.

Guess I should continue with OnC.

>>18612863
I was wondering what level (preferably in JLPT terms) would be needed at minimum to read Horizon (or Kawakami in general).

>>18617794
Why not the old ones of city?

>>18617813
N2, minimum.
Even then you will be looking up kanji occasionally.

>>18617958
Js06 should be N1 then?

>>18617958
Then if it was attempted at a N3 level one would need to be checking the dictionary quite a lot?

Well, it's going to be a long journey, but there are way too many LNs to read and not enough people wanting to translate.

>>18618188
N3 level really isn't enough for any LN is you want to read it in a reasonable amount of time.
Of course you don't actually have to achieve N2 or N1 but that's about the level you need.
The most important thing is just to start reading. That'll increase your pace, and try to infer the meaning of kanji you don't know so you aren't stopping every minute to consult a dictionary, especially if you know the meaning but can't remember the pronunciation. Or write them down so you can check later.

>>18618279
That's what I did with english when I started reading novels in it (it's not my first language). Reading will only help in getting better.

>>18618279
The biggest thing will be grammar. Japanese has a lot of conjugations and they can be difficult to look up the meanings of, so you'd best study that.
Some of the JLPT prep books have full sections on all the grammar needed, that would be a good place to start.

So, where do I even begin?
I finished the anime, and the tits were wonderful. Beyond that though, I liked the setting and the story
I understand that the books are extremely long. I want to know just how much time it would take me to read just one. I am scared by the size of these books, these are clearly not for casual reading, I understand that.

>>18618535
I'd say that an entire volume (aka A+B or A+B+C) will take you something around 15-20 hours of nonstop reading, though that depends on your reading speed. Even if you watched the anime, I'd say to read the novels anyway because there is some stuff that is changed/missing like the chat logs. Still, despite being so long, they are easy to read and don't feel long at all.

They're very long but sometimes it takes a few chapters for something to actually happen yet it doesn't feel like it, since you still get a ton of character interactions. It's not like reading Tolkien and seeing the description of every fucking rock in the beach.

>>18618535
How fast do you read?
In about the last two years I read all the translated volumes of Horizon just by reading a chapter a night before bed. If you have more time you can cut that dramatically.

>>18618603
Scary, looks like I might have to make a nightly read a routine.

>>18618636
Don't be a pussy, just read it, once you'll get engaged in the story the chapters will fly like nothing and one day you will find yourself in the last translated chapter.

>>18595280
That's way too big.

>>18618887
They have certainly evolved with time >>18579846

>>18619361
thanks

I've decided to finally get off my ass and watch the anime. Whos subs do I watch?

>>18620531
First season, Owari-K.P.A. Italia
Second season, Zurako.

how many refugee /a/ threads are there gonna be?

>>18620985
As many as there are threads kicked out of /a/.
You don't expect them to merge with shittier threads, do you?

/kwk/ threads are (((the nomads))) of 4chins.

>>18621231
Falling for obvious bait again?

>>18620985
>>18621231
>>18622200
He was probably just talking about how /a/ and several other boards were down yesterday.

Posting best girl!

>>18620579
Thanks

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Volume_6B_Chapter_39

Chapters 60-61:
Toori is successfully resurrected.
Toshiie attacks with his army of the dead because he knows Hassan will be out of curry so soon after a festival.
Nobushige also attacks and it turns out his dragon cannon has the same cutting power as Tonbokiri. Neshinbara speculates that Tonbokiri and the Logismoi Oplo had their powers based on the various special abilities of Celestial Dragons' dragon cannons.
Nobuyuki confronts Nobushige and tries to dissuade him from supporting the Genesis Project, but Nobushige removes him from the battlefield.
Narimasa confronts Toshiie.

>>18614656
Yes, that's the place.

>>18626516
Thanks as always.

>>18626516
Was there any added benefits from the revival? Like any new powers or a stronger body

>>18626516
How is Sanada Nobushige's personality? There is a description of how he looks? He has been quite a mystery for a lot of time.

>>18626516
They have to avoid fighting the fucking 83 or he'll just destroy the army.

Also, thanks for the summaries.

>>18626585
The only thing that's been mentioned so far is that he'll be able to supply Asama with power if she becomes his shrine maiden. She otherwise would have lost a significant portion of her shrine maiden power by dedicating herself to someone other than Sakuya.

>>18626603
His human form hasn't appeared yet, but this is his dragon form: >>18579887

So far, he's been presented as a caring person who is trying to do what he thinks is best. He thinks the Genesis Project is the only way to save Sanada in any capacity and he isn't too happy with Musashi for constantly trying to prevent that.
He really cares for his brother Nobuyuki and was mostly just confused why Nobuyuki is so opposed to the Genesis Project.

>>18626743
inb4 the solution to the Apocalypse is god-Toori supplying the world with ether somehow

>>18626814
More like preventing Nobunaga's suicide and somehow separate destiny from her and erase or change it's personality.

>>18626743
One thing that I want to confirm with you is a spoiler from 5ch about Asama, some people said that she's now a half-god, is that true or there is not enough information to confirm or deny this?

>>18626957
Yes, her mother is apparently Sakuya's Sister Iwanaga.
Her name Ei is spelled with the kanji 詠 which can be broken out into the two kanji
言永 which can be pronounced Iwanaga.
Once again, Kawakami has hidden a secret identity inside a character's name.

>>18627064
Being a half god means she has the same nature as EXIV?

>>18627064
Had a chance to look at what was up with that Miriam image? Is she dieing?

>>18629416
Wait until he gets there.

Where is Toori getting all this boundless ether from?

>>18626000
This chapter was quite nice. Asama, Neito and Horizon having this conversation is something that helped me understand more about Toori and his way of thinking.

Also, Asama and Neito blowing Toori now makes more sense.

>>18629507
Oh its after this? I guess I got confused on the spoilers, thought the image was before the toori stuff. I'll shut up now.

>>18626926
Motonobu's Genesis Project Messiah is about re-establishing the ties with Destiny and make her change her mind in the whole suicide thing.

Chapters 62-65:
Narimasa fights Toshiie to finish off his history recreation.
He manages to fight his way through Toshiie's ghost army single-handedly, but fighting any further would cost him his life. Fuwa arrives and keeps him from killing himself through battle.
Meanwhile, the people of Musashi managed to escape on ships and a Tres Espana fleet protects them.
While speaking with Juana, they realize part of Carlos I's memo was talking about Juana I and Juana tells them Juana I was confined to an abandoned academy in the New World.
Musashi's ships travel through the Gate to reach the New World.
Azuma rushes up to tell them Miriam has gone missing, but no one knows who he's talking about. Even when he points to her name on the class role, everyone else sees him pointing at the line between Shirojiro and Futayo's names.
They decide to believe him and conclude something must have severed Miriam's bonds with everyone except for Azuma and ??? such that it even affects their ability to perceive any evidence that she existed.

>>18631412
Why Narimasa decided to help Musashi?

>>18631434
Historical recreation dude, that was mentioned long time ago.

>>18631552
Yeah I know, but he chose this very moment that helped Musashi to flee and got as far to nearly die if not for Fuwa saving him. there has to be a reason for that.

>>18631562
The same reason why Katsuie and Oichi killed themselves.

>>18631412
Js06 can you please expand a bit on this Gate to the New World? it is a place or someone managed to reach outside Japan?

>>18631566
Yeah but the recreation said they had to die and they wanted to die at each other hands, so there everything aligned.

But here history Narimasa survived the Siege of Suemori and even so futurepast Narimasa went as far as to nearly die, and according to the chinese spoilers he did in order to help Musashi. That's why I'm asking js06 his motivations.

>>18631576
The Harmonic World had several Gates that warped people from one place to another. Some of them entered the real world after the Harmonic Unification War, but most are too deep below the ocean or too high up in the sky to be useful.
The only usable one is the one that connects the coast off of Tres Espana to the New World (i.e. Hokkaido), allowing Tres Espana to "cross the Atlantic" without actually flying all the way across Japan.

>>18631434
He wanted to truly end his history recreation even if that meant his death because he saw that as the only way to live up to the example of his sister. In order to protect him, she took it upon herself to inherit the name of Sayuri, a concubine of Narimasa's, knowing full well she would be executed as part of the history recreation.
In his mind, he couldn't take the easy way out when she didn't.

I think protecting Musashi was just the only way he could get Toshiie to actually fight him.

>>18631709
That makes sense.

>>18631709
Ah so this is still inside the Japanese territory and not related to the real outside world, I see.

I forgot something about your previous spoiler with Kimi fighting Amaterasu, in 5ch the spoilers said that Kimi is literally unstoppable thanks to her names and the fact that she can summon Uzume. Is this entirely true?

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Volume_6B_Chapter_40

>>18635837
Thanks.

Not too fond of these Speers-focused chapters desu, specially when there was some development on the Musashi side, but they have to show this stuff at some point anyway, specially when later on the speers get so much relevance.

Is there a textless version of the 10-A cover?

>>18637020
Nvm, found it.

>英国の聖譜顕装。
>英国にある聖譜顕装は"巨きなる正義"だが、原作の初版ではダッドリーとドレイク双方の持つものが"旧代"とされていた。後に修正されドレイクのほうが新代となったが、アニメ放送では再びどちらも旧代とされ、作者の実況においても全くのノータッチであった。
>これにより"実は英国の聖譜顕装の新代は別にあるのではないか？"という疑惑が浮上し、ダッドリーとドレイクの持つ旧代は片手ずつではなく両手一揃いなのを別々の人物に分け与えているのでは？等様々な推測が立てられている。
>『ホライゾンENCYCLOPEDIA』では、旧代が右手と左手分あることが判明。情報が錯綜しているが、これが最新情報だとすると、新代は行方不明と言う事になる。

So according to this, both Dudley and Drake's Testamenta Arma were called Brachium Justitia Vetus in the first edition of 2A and 2B, but it was changed in a second edition so one has the Vetus and the other the Novum as it should be.

The problem is that the anime called both Brachium Justitia Vetus again, and the Encyclopedia has them as Brachium Justitia Vetus (Right Hand) and Brachium Justitia Vetus (Left Hand).

So why England has so many Testamenta Arma?

>>18637530
Never trust the anime, most subs are fucking trash and even the decent one is like a 7/10.

>>18637764
It's not a thing with the subs though, they say it pretty clearly. There is a reason why Japan is confused about the whole thing, and the Encyclopedia instead of fixing it made it even more complex.

Chapters 66-69:
At the New World's academy, they meet the ghost of Juana I who reveals this was the "nonexistent academy" where Motonobu and many of their parents gathered to befriend Destiny.
She shows them the memories from that time.
Miriam was also at that academy.
When asked for her name, Destiny chose the English word "Yes" which when written in katakana is identical to the katakana spelling of Jesus. They later used Princess as a codename for her due to some wordplay Yes -> Shukou (Nod/Confirmation)-> Koushu (Princess)
Due to circumstances involving a love triangle between Motonobu, Horizon's mother, and Miriam, Destiny finds out about the alternate plan to kill her, so someone has to be sent to her to convince her the plan to befriend her was not just a trick. However, it would be a one way trip because the tech to extract some back out of the ley lines was not functional yet.
Horizon's mother (whose name is Maria) says she will do it, but Miriam gets to the machine ahead of her and sends herself into the ley lines.
Motonobu remodeled the Musashi 30 years ago to make it into a new "nonexistent academy" where the children of those in the old one could gather and resist Destiny's attempt at suicide. The Residence of the Deceased is the ley line extraction device that eventually extracted Miriam back out of the ley lines. Masazumi was able to see it because she is one of the aforementioned children and because of Horizon's song.
??? is one possible future for Destiny who was created by Miriam (who was extracted from the ley lines) and Azuma (who was produced by the ley lines) meeting.
The Yamato is on its way to the New World, but Mogami Yoshiaki arrives and offers to fight back with Mogami's ships.
Horizon concludes that Oriotorai must be her and Toori's future child from the following reasoning: Class Plum did not arrive in time to rescue her the first time around -> They did this time around -> They (and Musashi's students as a whole) must have been stronger this time around -> Who made them that strong? -> Oriotorai
Oriotorai's name was a coded reference to her identity so Destiny would not know who she was.
The Oriotorai part is properly spelled Oriotri. The Ori is short for Orizontas which is Greek for Horizon, the O was a symbol that could mean "yes" or refer to a connection/relationship between two things when the "nonexistent academy" was communicating with the Princess, and the Tri is short for Toori.
The "ki" in Makiko is the first character of Kimi's name and the whole thing can be interpreted as "Kimi's true child" which was a reference to the fact that future Kimi was her surrogate mother since she was created from Toori and Horizon's hairs.

With how much was revealed in these chapters, I know I have to be forgetting a few things, but I think that's everything major.

>>18639910
Ok, now i'm completely lost, lol.

>>18639910
This is fucking confusing, Masazumi is dead same as Miriam?

>>18640036
Yeah, I omitted a lot of detail because the summary would have been way too long otherwise.

>>18640047
>Masazumi is dead
No. I meant that she was a child of one of the people at that academy. (Her mother in this case.)

>>18640069
Let me see if I get this right.
>Motonobu and other people wanted to be friends with Destiny
>There were 2 plans, kill Destiny or be friends
>Destiny tried to kill itself??
>First plan failed so now we're back at the current timeline, Destiny needs to be killed by Nobunaga's suicide or something else that's going to be done by Musashi(?)

>>18640086
It seems to be more like this:
Motonobu and the others realize Destiny is trying to kill itself which will destroy the world
They have two plans: kill Destiny in a way that won't destroy the world or befriend Destiny and convince it to stop
They prefer the befriending plan, but keep working on the other one in secret just in case
Destiny learns about the killing plan and feels betrayed
Miriam manages to calm Destiny down (I guess?) but Destiny still doesn't trust them
Destiny starts disappearing everyone who tries to work on the project, but Motonobu and some others continue their research in secret
The killing plan and a non-killing plan are developed
In the original timeline, they opt for the non-killing plan, but it fails and it's too late to try the killing plan instead
The Speers travel back in time and work to make sure the killing plan is used this time around

>>18640133
Destiny itself is a person, or just a 'thing'?

>>18640172
Destiny is a thing, in the Age of Dawn the inhabitants of the workd gave it a personality.

Now the guy who wants to riot if Kimi doesn't have a child can officially stop.

>>18640223
He's probably hanging himself.

Js06 i hearf that tori call oriotori makiko and thats make her cry is that true?
Cuz in previous thread there is a pic that makiko crying

>>18639910
So from Noah, we get to Yeshua and Maria.
Damn it, Kawakami.

>>18640316
Oh come on, that was the easiest part of what I translated/spoiled. Do you have no faith in me after js06 confirmed it?

>>18639910
So Destiny is/could be the ghost child?

>>18640875
[Spoiler]You could almost wonder if, maybe, she's Destiny's Child. [/Spoiler]

Maybe that anon didnt trust 100% spoiler from another anon lol...so he ask the translator

>>18640133
>Destiny starts disappearing everyone who tries to work on the project

Is it the case of Masazumi mother disappearance?

>>18639910
>{spoiler]The Residence of the Deceased is the ley line extraction device that eventually extracted Miriam back out of the ley lines.[/spoler]

Who extracted Miriam back? And does that mean you could extract everyone else, like the all victims of Princess Disappearances?

>>18641306
That or she was also part of the non-existent academy students.

https://twitter.com/kawakamiminoru/status/975676495027990529

I don't know what Kawakami is trying to explain here.

>>18644465
He's publishing censored spoilers.

Did Gin’s hair color change or am I stupid?

>>18645794
The second one.

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Volume_6B_Chapter_41

>>18646718
To be completely honest, I don't like too many chapters with Speers content on them one after another.
Is nice to see more of them and watch how different and similar to the main cast they are but it all comes down to the affinity with Class plum, they are the ones that keep people interested, not the speers.

>>18646774
It's odd because I don't mind getting more parts with P.A. Oda or the Sanada,

>>18646940
PA ODA and Sanada are a completely different thing, they're not the secondary focus but each time some members of the sanada group of the 5 peaks enters the stage they always deliver.
The speers on the other hand dont really have that much of an impact, at least up to the last translated chapter of vol 6B.

>>18646774
This. I felt a similar problem with the Army. The fact that they're so similar to the main cast ends up being a bad thing — they feel like pale shadows of the originals, not strong characters in of themselves. It's as if they only exist to act as foils to UCAT or to Class Plum.

Sanada and Oda amuse me, but I find the Speers dull and uninteresting.

>>18647115
In fact, the Army was more interesting than the Speers in general, it was just fucking Mikoku being a shit character while Hajji was a fucking boss.

The Speers lack something, like that certain touch you find on other characters that makes them special, maybe that felling will change on later volumes since they became so relevant but for now this is it.

>>18595280
#4 Light Novel Sales Ranking
https://www.kadokawa.co.jp/product/321712000042/

>>18639910
You know, this put's Miriam's line in 2-B in a whole new light:
>>“Yes, yes.” Miriam rubbed her cheek against the girl while thinking how cute she was. “But I think I’m going to go die now that another girl has stolen papa from me.”

>>18646940
>>18647084
I really liked the Tres España and England parts in v2 too.

>>18647640
all that time we spent speculating that MIriam was actually Oda was hiding the fact that the ghost girl was the real final boss and miriam was voicing her regrets to her the whole time. That's great misdirection on Kawakami's part.

Chapters 70-71:
Mogami's fleet battles Kuki's fleet while trying to escape from the Yamato.
Naito and Naruze receive their parents' old brooms: Schwarz Konigin and Weiss Konigin. They use those to rejoin the others at the Yamagata Castle.
Just as the Yamagata Castle is shot down, Horizon completes a Logismoi Oplo update and summons a new Musashi.
Motonobu had prepared both the Yamato and a new Musashi and sent them both out via the ley lines when Mikawa went kablooey. That way both sides would have a new ship to use if their old one was destroyed. In the Musashi's case, the upgrade worked by using a massive amount of ether materials to repair the old ship while upgrading its tech to match the Yamato's, so "Musashi" and the other automatons were repaired along with it.
The Musashi group boards the Musashi and prepares to battle the Yamato.

>>18653845
I read in the japanese wiki that the Four Divine Beasts Gods of War are related to the Apocalypse and Destiny in some way. Also Juana I being in conflict with Las Casas or something. What was that about?

>>18653845
Thanks !
The whole thing must be terribly dense with info ~

>>18653973
>I read in the japanese wiki that the Four Divine Beasts Gods of War are related to the Apocalypse and Destiny in some way.
They were built based on an older Apocalypse countermeasure plan that was later rejected for being incomplete.

>Also Juana I being in conflict with Las Casas or something. What was that about?
Las Casas is a luchador, so they were wrestling.

>>18654070
So I assume then that the Shimabara rebellion happened so much earlier because there was some kind of problem that caused it and the Four Beasts ended around the Far East?

>>18654146
They were built based on tech stolen from the anti-Apocalypse research, so the Shimabara Rebellion recreation was chosen as an excuse to put a stop to that.
They were meant to be destroyed afterwards, but that didn't happen for some reason.

>>18653845
Musashi being repaired means she got all her memories back or she was repaired to a previous state?

This volume is just crazy holy shit.

>>18653976
This volume is packed with a shit load of info.

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Volume_6B_Chapter_42

>>18660365
Nate shota papa is so cute.

>>18660365
Thanks !

>>18660392
Fucking pedo.

Whoever is updating the Horizon wikia could you please hide the spoilers on their in case new readers want to check the wiki out, but not see major spoilers

Any news about Mogami in recent issues? Love her design dearly

>>18661572
If you're looking up the wiki the it goes without saying that you're looking for spoilers.

>>18661572
On the wiki, everything is a spoiler.

>>18661572
And is using Js06 summaries only instead of reading the LN, looks like the tourist of the last thread is still trying lmao.

>>18663225
I'm not wasting any effort on some dead wiki, fuck off viperfag

>>18661649
Are you avoiding JS06's spoilers and just wanting spoilers on her? Because she's mentioned in both of his last two spoiler posts.
>>18639910
>>18653845

God, this took an unspeakable amount of time.

>>18667242
How many times a day you consider suicide while doing the cleaning?

>>18667242
Looks great !

>>18667307
Please, don't even ask. But it is fun at times.

>>18667349
Thanks.

Chapters 72-73:
The Musashi and the Yamato effectively challenge each other to a race across the (actual) Pacific, around the (actual) world, and up to the height of the 2nd moon using their ley line reactor engines.
Gin confronts Dousetsu and says she will defeat him as a way to win back Muneshige's inherited name.
Narumi fights Oniniwa (who is fighting on Hashiba's side because of the history recreation) and defeats him.
Suzu uses defense barriers to hold off attacks from Nobushige and from Nabeshima's mechanical dragon.
Vritra (Houjou Genan's mechanical dragon) rises from the ocean having repaired itself enough to take Nabeshima out of the fight.
Yoshiyasu confronts the autonomous version of Yatsufusa.
The Musashi and the Yamato prepare to cross the Pacific.

>>18667539
>Yoshiyasu confronts the autonomous version of Yatsufusa.
Autonomous version? when did that happened?

>>18639910
>Kimi gets a kid
All is right in the world. Still, would've been better if it was done the natural way

>>18667613
Please neck yourself already.

>>18667607
It was revealed at the end of 10-B.

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Volume_6B_Chapter_43

>>18667692
Thanks

>>18667669
Oh thanks, by the way something that I want to ask you is about the current state of Toori.
We know that he's a God but what exactly gives that to him in terms of power and capabilities?

>>18667711
He is still technically human at this point, but extremely close to being deified. According to Asama, he will produce divine power when performing some kind of divine action, but he does not produce it constantly like a full-on god would.
He also can't use his ether distribution spell anymore, so until the divine power thing comes into play, he's effectively less capable than before.

>>18668057
Thanks, also thank god that Kawakami didn't turn him into a super overpowered MC after this.

>>18668087
But let's face it, even if he did, Toori would just use it to finish his eroge faster.

>>18668970
Greatest love story ever told.

>>18668970
Cute

>Manabu Ono working on SAO Alicization
Well, the S3 believing has ended.

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Volume_6B_Chapter_44

>>18676380
Praise the ass god !

>>18676171
>Implying there was any hope
Do you know how does Sunrise works?

>>18676609
Yeah, right now they're called LL!rise, isn't it?

>>18676380
Thanks.

Chapters 74-79:
Yoshiyasu's Righteousness is destroyed, but Yatsufusa activates and she uses it to defeat the autonomous version.
Nobuyuki confronts Nobushige again. With help from the Sanada Ten Braves, he manages to defeat Nobushige.
Gin defeats Dousetsu. Dousetsu did not put up enough of a fight to satisfy her, so Muneshige fights her. In a romantic(?) gesture, they stab each other through the neck (and are quickly provided with healing spells).
The Musashi and the Yamato race across the Pacific where the ships from the Age of the Gods create something of an obstacle course.
Once they reach the (actual) New World, Angie and Yoshiaki attack and Naito and Naruze respond.
Naito and Naruze are shot down, but Edel Brocken calls and upgrades their brooms to Schwarz Fraulein Konigin and Weiss Fraulein Konigin. They successfully shoot down their future daughters.
Kani arrives on the Musashi and runs across Yoshitsune who easily defeats her.
Sakon arrives on the Musashi and runs across Rudolf II. After they fight for a while, Rudolf II transforms into Mitotsudaira.

>>18680205
>the ships from the Age of the Gods create something of an obstacle course.
These are the ships from the war on the heavens when all the races that ascended lost their technology?

>>18680205
Nobuyuki has actual fighting abilities? What he did exactly along with the Ten Braves to fend Nobushige off? Also weren't the Braves supposed to be allied to the Oda side?

And about the Tachibanas, Dousetsu was not fighting seriously? That means that Muneshige got his name back?

>>18680260
Yes.

>>18680263

>Nobuyuki has actual fighting abilities? What he did exactly along with the Ten Braves to fend Nobushige off?
He stuffed explosive charms into Nobushige's thrusters, eventually doing enough damage that Nobushige would harm himself if he fired his dragon cannon.
Sasuke, Saizou, and Anayama helped by protecting Nobuyuki from Nobushige's attacks and they were very badly injured by the end of it.

>Also weren't the Braves supposed to be allied to the Oda side?
They are technically on Oda's side, but the three I mentioned decided to help Nobuyuki regardless.

>And about the Tachibanas, Dousetsu was not fighting seriously?
Dousetsu was fighting seriously, but Gin realized that his strength is exclusively defined as strength through the sword. Thanks to her time with Musashi, she has learned about other forms of strength and she drew on that experience to defeat him.

>That means that Muneshige got his name back?
Presumably.

>>18680384
That's really cool on Gin's part. What was doing Muneshige during the fight? Just watching?

>>18680399
Muneshige was on the way to deal with Nobushige, but it turned out he wasn't needed there.

>>18680205
>Kani arrives on the Musashi and runs across Yoshitsune who easily defeats her.

She is alive?

>>18680570
Apparently? She was just there all of a sudden and it hasn't been explained yet.

>>18680600
Looking forward to the explanation !

>>18680600
>>18680970
Her thirst for the T brought her back clearly

>>18680600
Really glad she came back, hoping for a humourous explanation as to why now.

>>18681807
>>18681126
>>18680970
>>18680600
I wonder if she came back because Miriam left.

Chapters 80-End:
Rudolf II transforms into her original/perfect form and defeats Sakon.
Ishikawa challenges Oriotorai, but Kimi arrives and saves her future daughter with what was described an awful lot like 2nd-Gear's Art of Walking.
While fighting Nate, Kasuya does her werewolf transformation, but Nate does her werewolf transformation too and the Silver Sword (that Nate's grandmother had used but had never responded for her mother) flies to her and she wins.
Futayo defeats Fukushima.
Asama defeats Hirano by using a quadruple Umetsubaki.
Naomasa defeats Koroku.
Mary and Tenzou defend against Kiyomasa's attack.
The Musashi arrives back at the Far East first, thus winning the race against the Yamato.
Masazumi invites the other nations to join her at the Peace of Westphalia.

>>18680970
>>18681807
>>18681883
Looks like we'll have to wait until Vol. 11 for an explanation. She wasn't mentioned again after that one scene.

>>18681966
Can you explain what is the reason for why nate couldn't use her Werewolf transformation before and the same for Asama's power?
Is this related to Toori's Godly power?

Do Noriki and Narimasa ever interact?

Those two seem like they’d get along.

>>18681966
What Mary and 10ZO did? They just defended against Kiyomassive and talked her out of it? I read that they did a pincer attack with Collbrande against Caledfwlch or something.

>>18682332
For Asama, yes it was Toori's divine power.
For Nate, it's a little more complicated. As a side effect of the resurrection ceremony, Toori, Nate, Asama, Horizon, and Kimi are spiritually linked to a certain extent. It was sensing Toori's soul inside her while exposed to the full moon that allowed the transformation, but the narration stressed that it was his human soul she sensed.

>>18682446
Yes, that's what they did. What made Kiyomasa give in was the combination of being stopped by what she saw as the inferior weapon and seeing her parents move in perfect unison while so far apart.

>>18681966
>>18682850
Do we have any specific information on Nate's grandmother?
I'm wondering about that silver sword now.

>>18682850
So basically Nate can't use the Werewolf transformation at will, at least not like the Reine des Garous or Kasuya.

>>18682850
So in other words Kiyomassive lost to the power of love.

>>18682869
Wasn't she related to Joan of Arc?

>>18688457
I dont think they ever said she was related to Joan, just that her mom was part of the rescue operation that saved her, and her chains are the ones that bound Joan to the stake.

>>18688767
The chains, the cross and Kasuya's weapons comes from the times of Joan of Arc amnd they're all related to her.

>>18680205
>In a romantic(?) gesture, they stab each other through the neck (and are quickly provided with healing spells).

I suppose that once cutting of limbs is how you show your love, reaffirming it takes some rather more extreme measures.

>>18681966
Incredible. Thanks so much as always!

>>18667242
Glorious.

>>18691459
I wonder if they are going back to tres españa or stay in Musashi.

>>18700683
Well, Tres España is now Musashi's ally.

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Volume_6B_Chapter_45
https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Volume_6B_Afterword

>>18704514
Wait garter belt? holy fuck my dick.

>>18704514
And with this we finally arrived at Asama's confession and one of the most badass deaths.

>>18704514
Thanks!!

>>18704514
Thanks a lot.

The only downside to being up to date with the translation is that I don't get the epub on my phone to read. I sorta miss reading the books in "one go" instead of waiting for chapters.

>>18705666
The app works like shit for a long time, sometimes we have 3 chapters out and the app never updates.

>>18706986
>Makiko with big boobs
HARAM

Is anyone editing the images or I should abandon all hope and read it without images?

>>18712780
People are working on it. It takes time, don't rush them.

>>18712780
What's with the sudden input of tourists trying to rush and critize the work of the group? Honestly most of these newfags have no idea about how things work here and still try to shitpost every time, being the prime example the retard that tried to get into the group and ended getting BTFO.

I'd forgotten how ridiculous reading OnC was.
>佐山は考える。以前に銭湯の中で新庄・切が男かどうかを確認したことはあるが、･･････しかし、運君が女かどうかを確認したことなかったな。

>>18713573
Sayama as always the best.

>>18683516
And she's still a turbolesbian.

How do names work in Horizon again?

So you can be named after a historical figure, but not take up their role in history or inherit the name and its role.

Furthermore, if Naruze and Margot are from M.H.R.R, why are they named after Japanese historical figures?

Is it because every nation is at least partially representing a Japanese clan or group?

>>18718644
Most people in Class Plum have those names as a symbol of who they want to be or in order to feel like part of history, even if technically they don't have them officially.

>>18719130
Does that mean the students changed their names after moving to Musashi or something?

>>18723545
Yeah.

Ivan, do check your mail when you read this please.

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Kimitoasamade_4B_Chapter_9

>>18730447
Thanks !

>>18730447
Thanks!!

>>18730447
danke

>>18730447
TY!

>>18727528
The one on the right looks extra lewd though the bubble wrap.

Don't die now

Why does the Dark Continent even exist?

I haven’t heard it mentioned besides in Mori’s backstory.

https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Volume_6C_Preface
https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Volume_6C_Character_Introduction
https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Volume_6C_Glossary
https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Horizon:Volume_6C_World

Just so you know, I will now be romanizing Oriotorai as Oriotri and Malga as Marga based on what we learned in 10-C.

And we've finally reached the point where Kawakami doesn't even try to make the "the story so far" section useful.

>>18745361
Isn't the rest of the worlds landmasses the dark continent?
They just cant re-colonize them easily because the insane flora and fauna.

>>18745507
>Malga as Marga
Finally!

>>18745361
It's mentioned in Yusuke's backstory too.

>>18746289
The Dark Continent it's Kyushu.

>>18745507
Thanks for keeping us updated !
And yes the section was heading towards that direction for a while ..

>>18745507
>>18746763
Wait, what was it about Malga? The Oriotri thing makes sense.

>>18751744
She was named after her mother Margaret.

>>18751829
Did we learn anything about her father? Or why she acted in 2B like it's such a big deal?

>>18752052
>“It’s officially known as the anti-witch unit, right? My father was a part of it.”

From 3C

>>18752052
Naruze and Naito originally lived in neighboring Technohexen villages divided between Weiss and Schwarz. One day, the leaders of each village decided to attack the other and both villages were wiped out. Naruze and Naito assumed that was because M.H.R.R. was only going to allow one group of Techonhexen to remain, so both villages were trying to remove the competition.

However, they find out in 10-C that a tiny section of the Harmonic World existed on the borderline between the two villages and that just so happened to be the origin point of the Black Plague. The plague was distorted in the process and ended up only infecting adults. Since they were all going to die anyway and allowing the plague to spread from their villages would lead people to believe Technohexen had spread the plague intentionally, they agreed to wipe out each other's villages to destroy the plague.

Also, I got the names mixed up.
Naruze's parents were Nicholas and Margarita Weissmuller.
Naito's parents were Leon and Margaret Schwartzman.

>>18745507

can someone explain the Oriotorai thing?

>>18752551
She's from the future like most of the Speers, and is Kimi's daughter, I believe she used Toori's DNA like Nate, Asama, and Suzu.
I really hope this doesn't shoot down KimiXFutayo.

>>18752551
>>18753798
She is Toori and Horizon's daughter. Kimi was who acted as her mother, that's why she considers her that.

>>18752551
All her doujins need to be retagged

>>18753798
Kimi futayo was never a thing my delusional friend.

Oriotri is toori and horizon daughter, Kimi acted as surrogate mother. As for futayo one illustration showed her and Masazumi.

Time to move on and leave this one die.

>>18756054
>>18756054
>>18756054
>>18756054