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nipuh.

I like the Frederica Bernkastel that was shown at the end of the anime better than the one we see in Umineko.

>>1842608
this

>>1842608
Seconded.

>>1842608
because adult dfc with white devil voice?

>>1842635

For the most part.

On another part, I've gotten really tired of frills thanks to Touhou.

>>1842635
Rika's (and Bernkastel's) voice is actually deeper than that of Nanoha as an adult.

So is this the official new Rika thread?

>>1843929
It can be.

>>1842671
imagine that saying "~mii"

>>1843929
Might as well be.

NIPAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

This is a real spoiler so I suggest not reading it.
why does she have to be evil in Umineko ;_;

>>1847746
Rika is a good girl.

>>1847746
What did she do?

>>1849037
From what I've gathered, she and ΛΔ appear to be the masterminds of what's going on.

>>1849751

fffff why do i look when i don't want to know, fuck you spoiler tags and your alluring nature

>>1849751
Why would she work together with 34?

PS: Damn you Ryukishi07 for doing this. (Unless it turns out to be a ploy, in which case all is forgiven.)

>>1849870
[spoilers]Why would she be opposing 34? Umineko =/= Higurashi

Since everything they did was just a ruse to get rid of Beatrice, there's now no reason to believe that they were antagonizing each other to begin with.[/spoilers]

>>1849873

its hard to say with Rykushi07, they're very good at keeping us unaware of what they're actually trying to do..

>>1849870
>>1849870
Why would she be opposing 34? Umineko =/= Higurashi

Since everything they did was just a ruse to get rid of Beatrice, there's now no reason to believe that they were antagonizing each other to begin with.

>>1849908
fffffffffffffffffff

>>1849908
So the connection with Higurashi was a lie?

>>1849908
But why? 34 made it clear at the end of episode 3 that she could easily get rid of Beatrice whenever she wanted. Why even bother involving Bernkastel?

They said Bern isn't the same Bern from Higurashi, iirc. But they didn't go in to details about it. what the fucking fuck fuck fuck aaaghghh

>>1850018
Who did? From what I've seen, all Ryukishi ever did was play the Devil's advocate and say "how do you know they're the same person?".

>>1850075
I don't remember who as I read this last night in some other thread, but it was either said outright or hinted very heavily at in game. So it's not just Ryukishi being sneaky now.

Rika loev Akasaka's daughter.

>>1850329
Akasaka is so lucky, it's unfair.

How do we know Frederika wasn't evil in Higurashi too and all she was doing was taking a stroll down memory lane?.

But then again, Frederika is the collective hive mind that grows with each reincarnation while Bernkastel might have been born the moment Rika defeated Takano, hence the different personality.

>>1850869
Bernkastel and Frederica are two different people?

>>1851053

Possibly.

Frederica would be the well-meaning and nigh-omnipotent consciousness borne from 1000 years of life, and Bernkastel would be what the final Rika becomes I guess.

>>1851196
Your naming confuses me.

>>1842592
Why does Frederica always have those eyes that make it look like she was raped?

>>1851255
Because her heart broke a bit or something.

>>1851239
Bernkastel was referred to more in Umineko.
And Frederika is Furude Rika, the adorable underage nipahing shrine maiden.

>>1851255Why does Frederica always have those eyes that make it look like she was raped?
Yeah, um... sorry about that. I just couldn't help myself!

>>1851274
"When They Cry 4: The Search for Bernkastel's Heart."

>>1851297
Has Japan done any revealed Bernkastel? I could fap to those kind of smiles.

>>1851280
Wasn't that hinamizawa thing only 100 years?

>>1851255
Its part of her character: she has "dead eyes"

I wouldn't look too perky either if I was made up of the hivemind of multiple dead lolis

>>1850018
Unless Bern from ep 4 != Bern from ep 2 I find this hard to believe, He nipaa~'d at Battler in the secret tea party at the end of 2 remember and said it was "something she used to do to cheer people up when she was a human"

>>1851311
She* nippa~'d

>>1851301

She doesn't even remember herself how long it was.

>>1851311

They'd BOTH be Rika; one ("Frederica", the transcendent hive-consciousness) would just be the mental culmination of every Rika, and not the Rika who defeated Fate and Takano.

>>1851311
>>hivemind of multiple dead lolis
Wow, putting it that way, it sounds kinda awesome. Like some kinda avenging anti hero

>>1851323
>>Rika who defeated Fate

Whoops, wrong universe.

Anyone have a screenshot of dead eyes bernkastel + 34 from the end of episode 4?

>>1851196
The poems are signed with "Frederika Bernkastel" and that's the name Rika gives herself that in Saikoroshi-hen. There's nothing to indicate that there are two of them.

>>1851781

Oh, they'd both be "Frederica Bernkastel".

The one I'm called "Frederica", this culminated entity borne of every Rika, would not actually have a name.
Unless you wanna call her "Yahweh" or "Omni-Rika" something.

Just that Frederica Bernkastel as we see in Umineko would be what Rika Furude goes on to be, and Omni-Rika is what the image of every former Rika becomes.

THEORY: Bern from Umineko could be a Rika that never defeated fate. That would explain why she's tortured by people being stuck in a never-ending game, but would also explain why she's evil after trauma.

but my theories are never right so there ;_;

>>1851311
She felt sympathetic for a moment, besides maybe she knew that the only way to take out Beatrice was through Battler, and him being Beato's slave was a problem.

>>1852325
I still don't understand why Bern and 34 had to team up and cloak and dagger Beato out. Didn't she say that both of them were stronger than her? And even if her style of "setting the board and attacking" gave Bern a disadvantage 34 said she could have blown Beato away with her indomitable will easily.

>>1852368
We'll probably find out in later games that Beato is secretly K1 and therefore powerful than all of them.

Oh come on, the witches are not as evil as they are huge dicks. If you had the power to kill and revive people at will, wouldn't you try to pull of such shit?

Also, ideally Anonymous is indifferent to the mental anguish and deaths of the characters and just intently watches over the story to find a solution. All in all, it's just a detective game.

Therefore, Anonymous is no different than a witch, except he doesn't directly participate in the game. Wonder why you had the power to kill and revive people on the extras? It's because you are the witches, Anonymous.

>>1852368
She likes doing things with Bern, maybe?

>>1852313
Rika is already evil in Higurashi

>>1852399
If that means canon BattlerxK1 then FUCKING FUND IT

>>1852368
The reason they had to team up was because as long as Battler was there they couldn't get to Beato. They had to make them finish off each other.
Ironically Bern has some weird attachment to Battler because he reminds her of a certain magician.
Also this doujin looks fucking great.
http://shop.melonbooks.co.jp/tsuhan/system/list.php?RATED=18&MAKER_FULL=N2%C3%CF%CD%EB

>>1852265
Again, what evidence have you got that an "Omni-Rika" exists?

PS: Bernkastel isn't really a hivemind. Her mind replaces that of the Rika inhabiting a world erasing that Rika's previous memories and when Rika dies then the memories from that period go and join Bernkastel. There is a continuity as Bernkastel is the one who experiences what all these Rikas did as she was effectively possessing them one after another.

>>1852447
I'd say that the closes analogy is that of playing something like playing the Sims. The witches can't resist making the lives of the characters tey control hell.

>>1852455
Rika may be a surly alcoholic, but she isn't evil.

>>1852447
I'd say that the closest analogy is that of playing something like the Sims. The witches just can't resist making the lives of the characters they control hell.

>>1852455
Rika may be a surly alcoholic, but she isn't evil.

Speaking of alcoholism, I can't resist posting this link:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5008992

So who's more powerful? Hanyuu or Bern?

>>1853213

>Again, what evidence have you got that an "Omni-Rika" exists?

That Higurashi-Bernkastel and Umineko-Bernkastel behave so differently and that Ryukishi loves to fuck with us.

>>1854433
They don't behave differently at all.
And I don't know why you are all so suprised, Bern said it herself in the hidden tea party of episode 1: "I am the cruelest witch in the world, I'd do anything to win even if my opponent is the infinite witch Beatrice."
Or something like that.

>>1854450

BECAUSE RIKA'S A GOOD GIRL DAMMIT

Also, Higurashi-Bern doesn't seem evil, just subtle.

Even to the point of giving Miyoko a happy ending.

>>1854457
Neither Higurashi Bern or Umineko Bern are evil.
For them it's just a game.
And she only gave Miyoko a happy ending as a whim, it's clear in the game that she doesn't really care.

>>1854466

Whatever.

I also don't want to equate what seems to be a godlike entity to a "witch".

"Magic is stupid, Divinity is awesome", so to speak.

>>1854469

You also save caps in png, so you're obviously retarded.

>>1854472

Actually I save them in .bmp and convert them hurrrrrrrrrrr.

What does it matter? They're not good caps anyway. Why do you wanna see them?
Hell, I'm deleting them immediately after I post them.

Magic is stupid, Miracles are awesome.

>>1854433
No they're pretty much the same. Here's an example of Bernkastel from Higurashi:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=1303583&postcount=59

>>1854469
Gods exist in Higurashi (e.g. Hanyuu). The fact that Bern et al. call themselves witches indicates that there is a difference between the two.

>>1854598
On a completely unrelated note. I liked George until I saw this. Why would anyone do that?

>>1854613

Needs more dress.

>>1854697
An upgrade more than anything else.

>>1854609
But Hanyuu was human at some point and decided it'd be cool to get killed by her daughter.

>>1854982
Yes, but she calls herself a god. Rika calls herself a witch so there must be a difference between them.

>>1855047
Hanyuu has a 1000 years old myth?

>>1855061
It's not just that. Hanyuu tells Rika that Rika had "walked into a place infinitely close to the world of the gods". This indicates that Rika isn't truly a god.

>>1854613


TOMITAKE FLASH

>>1854427
To me, Bernkastel = (Furude Rika)^1000 + Hanyuu

After all, Bernkastel has the power to throw dices again and again

>>1855348
This sums up what I think:

Bernkastel is the accumulation of memories from all the Rikas that have died over the past century that have become self-aware, as she says at the start of Minagoroshi-hen. Presumably Bernkastel was created when the amount of Rika's memories that Hanyuu deposited in the dimension with the fragments reached a critical mass. The scenario for a death of Rika's mind described by Bernkastel is probably what would happen if that accumulation of memories became too great to be housed in a human being.

What I think happens when "Rika" arrives in a new world is that a copy of Bernkastel's memories replaces the existing Rika's memories (Rika can't recall anything from before she was playing her friends in Minagoroshi-hen or from before she was hit with a ball in Saikoroshi-hen). We can't be sure that she retains all of Bernkastel's memories, since in Saikoroshi-hen Hanyuu explains to Rika that the worlds appear as fragments in the realm of the gods and how they traveled between worlds by joining these fragments, which Bernkastel must have already known since she can manipulate them (but Hanyuu could be reiterating something Rika knew). Also, Bernkastel is aware of what happened in Minagoroshi-hen at the start of Matsuribayashi-hen, but the Rika in the world of Matsuribayashi-hen lacks that information (but that may be simply be an anomaly due to Hanyuu's powers failing).

However, the fact that Rika is aware that a version of herself exists in a higher dimension, that she says she isn't Rika when she's speaking to Rena in Tsumihoboroshi-hen (Bernkastel feels that way to an extent) and that she gives herself the name Bernkastel when inhabiting Rika's body in Saikoroshi-hen to distinguish herself from the original Rika indicates that the Rikas of the various worlds possess at least some of Bernkastel's memories. Conversely, in Minagoroshi-hen Bernkastel says that she only has the memories that Rika obtained from the various worlds, that she was born in the human world and refers to herself as Rika at one point. Based on that, as well as all the things she says in the tea parties in Umineko which make it clear she was born from the events in Higurashi, I think that Bernkastel views herself as an being that's a continuation of Rika rather than a completely separate entity, which supports a close connection between them.

When Rika dies, Hanyuu sends the memories from that world to join the accumulation of memories in that higher dimension and thus become part of Bernkastel. This would explain why Bernkastel retains the name that "Rika" came up with in Saikoroshi-hen and why the Rika in the world at the end of Saikoroshi-hen says that the version of her in the higher dimension no longer matters, since her memories won't be joining it when she dies.

So to cut a log story short, I think that a copy of Bernkastel's memories and personality replace Rika's mind and then the experiences of that copy merge with Bernkastel when the Rika of that world dies. Bernkastel neither created Rika nor is she really a separate entity (since 'Rika' is simply Bernkastel's mind in a human body) until they diverge at the end of Saikoroshi-hen.

>>1855548
>>1855551
Finally someone explains it in a way I can understand.

>>1855548
>>1855551
So Bernkastel is an eternal witch born at the end of an indeterminate number of years of suffering and failed dreams?

Bernkastel is hax

does she have any offensive abilities as well?

>>1855548
>>1855551
Cool story bro but you know what Rika is? Retconned

>>1855767
Bernkastel is Archer.

>>1855831

So what ist this?

It looks like shit but has Rika in it

>>1855825
who needs them when you have nigh perfect defense?

Like 34 said in her rock paper scissors analogy Beato is a wide area bomber, her attacks arn't strong but nor are they logically placed or focused. She just pelts you with omnidirectional barrages. 34 just puts overwhelming power and precision into one FUCK YOU beam that has the power to subvert fate and destiny themselves, but if that one shot misses or fails she is screwed. Bern just has the ability to reroll her defense until the attack misses or is neutralized no matter the odds systematically creating a "miracle". Even if the chances are 1:1,000,000 if you roll 1,000,000 times you will most likely get a hit even if the odds for a single roll are almost insurmountable.

>>1855874
She also said that she could beat everyone because she's SUPER PAPER. I'll take what she says with a grain of salt.

>>1855874
dirty cheating whore

>>1855874
Beato beats Bernkastel because her attacks have an illogical component to them, making a reroll that much harder, so you increase the amount of rolls to a nigh infinite number. She wins by attrition.

>>1855882
>>1855874
What the fuck is this? I dont understand anything

>>1855874
>Even if the chances are 1:1,000,000 if you roll 1,000,000 times you will most likely get a hit even if the odds for a single roll are almost insurmountable.

If the odds are 1:1,000,000 and you try 1,000,000 times, you still have about a 1/3 chance of failing.

>>1855886
Witchan gaems.

Okay, so I get how Bernkastel is related to Rika, but how is 34 related to Takano?

>>1855893
Miyo = 34.
Lambda delta = 34.

Derp.

>>1855893
She either evolved as a personification of the "rules" of the Higurashi game as set by Takano, or she existed prior to that and was the actual game master and Takano is just her "avatar" on the board

So this game is all about powerlevels?

>>1855911
that and the dickery of omnipotent bitches, yes

>>1855911
It's more ridiculous than Touhou. All the witches have hax powers comparable to Yukari's hax.

>>1855911
It's really more a game about characters convincing others that they have a superior powerlevel.

>>1855920
Battler wouldn't last 10 seconds trying to come up with explanations for half the shit that occurs in Gensokyo.

>>1855920
downloading at the speed of light

>>1855924
Because events there are not handled by explanation, when something happens you send zombie miko to hit someone repeatedly until the problem is fixed

>>1855924
Now that Battler has accepted he isn't human and has unlocked his powers I think he'd have a chance.

>>1855934
I can just imagine Battler's head exploding after listening to Suika's "How I destroyed the moon" explanation.

Wait? Higurashi was just a game bewteen witches?

>>1855942
and his powers are really just repeated spans of Master spark

>>1855950
Indeed it was. In the world of Umineko Higurashi is just a mystery novel which makes a bit of sense considering how witches work in Umineko.

>>1855950
Yep, it was all just as keikaku.

>>1855942
Battler is now Hosaka with Master Spark. Can't wait for the anime.

>>1855957
HOLY SHIT ;_;

>>1855910
She has Takano's memories and relates to having a "harsh childhood with unfulfilled dreams," so it's up in the air.

>>1855960
The only thing wrong with Battler's Master spark is that instead of him shooting them, they come down from the sky like lightning.

>>1855965
Though in Ep 3's ???? it's reveled that 34 still doesn't know who the Mastermind was in Higurashi

Rena ;_;

>>1855973
The way she serioused up when Bern was away, I doubt anything she said before was true. Still wondering why she went through all the trouble if she could have easily gotten rid of Beatrice herself.

>>1855978
oh rena if only you were real so I can play with your hair or have hottub sex! ;_;

>>1855987
Because she didn't want to face Battler

Hay guys
Battler dies, Beato dies in chapter 4

>>1856021
We know that

Hanyuu was truly useless after all

>>1855950
>>1855957
NVM me im just going over to japan killing Rykushi07

>>1855767
Actually it was after around 100 years of suffering and failed dreams.

>>1855950
It can be interpreted as such. Though Higurashi's plot works fine by itself.

>>1856046
Why?

>>1856074
Umineko is also a game between Witches....
Well to be precise a Witch and a Demon

>>1856096
Because it was all Rikas power.

>>1856086
ni-pah from hell is fine too!

>>1856109
Isn't that a PIME TARADOX though?

>>1856114
Dunno lol

Bernkastel is born from 100 years of dead Rika?
Bernkastel also started the game?

WUT?

>>1856046
please die!

No armpits fanservice without her

>>1856109
Not quite. Bernkastel only formed and thus got the opportunity to learn how to manipulate the fragments of time because Hanyuu repeatedly used her powers to transfer Rika's memories.

>>1856121
Bernkastel didn't start the game. She only formed while it was taking place.

>>1856136
Wikipedia menitions a game between her and 34
Wiki full of shit again?

>>1856127
D'aaaaaawwwww

You're going use that moe face of seriousness and what's next? Your puny lightning spark that proof you are a resident goddess, Don't make me laugh!

Takano agrees, Dont bother her about it!

>>1856148
Hanyuu is a dead god

>>1856127
Rika can do that too.

>>1856142
I'd say it turned into a game between them, but Bernkastel quite simply didn't exist at the start. The Higurashi pages in Wikipedia have quite a few innacuracies by the way.

>>1856150

>>1855973
The mastermind was really Blick Winkel.

>>1856150
Hanyuu died for our sins but she's still 'alive' (except for the Hanyuu of Saikoroshi-hen who passed on and Miostukushi-hen isn't really canonical). Hanyuu will pass on when Rika dies naturally.

Was it ever explained how Hanyuu died? I mean she was a god and all

>>1856142
It WAS a game between her and 34, but they were also created during said game, witches in When They Cry have this tendency to fuck linear causality often and joyfully

>>1856177
She wanted to end strife in Onigafuchi and thus she took all the village's sins onto herself and ordered her daughter to disembowel her and dump her intestines in the river, thus starting the Watanagashi ritual. By this act of self-sacrifice Hanyuu became a god.

(Though the fact she was isolated for 1000 years and had onbody to talk to was her punishment for killing herself without first trying to resolve the village's problems in some other way.)

>>1856177
She was not a god and her daughter killed her

>>1856178
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost.php?p=766752&postcount=149

>>1856172
Bern would completely kick his ass. Can Blick fold a sheet of paper enough times for it to reach the moon?

>>1856193
>>1856192
my heart just died a little ;_;

By the way, here's a picture of Ouka Furude holding Onigari-no-Ryuou (the sword she used to disembowel her mother).

>>1856209
Well, guess it's time to move that out of my Rika folder then.

>>1856192
>>1856193
but why is hanyuu a little girl instead of an adult?

>>1856260
I'm not certain. Perhaps because Rika is her reincarnation she appears as if she's the same age as her.

>>1856178
So the mastermind would be Takano's contact with Tokyo?

That gray haired woman in the anime who look somewhat like Virgilla.

>>1856260
Because the author thought making Oyashiro-sama an adorable little girl would heighten the contrast when it was revealed that the supernatural entity to whom all the insanity and murder was attributed existed?

>>1856290
Obligatory

>>1856292
Sacrificing sense for drama kind of undermines the drama if you think about it.

>>1856290
Nomura. She is Takano's handler, but she's carrying out on behalf of her clients so it's hard to say that's she's solely to blame.

>>1856292
Obviously, but that doesn't mean that there shouldn't be an in-game explanation for it.

wasnt she a little healthier in the game?

>>1856324
Who? Bernkastel? Bernkastel chooses to appear as a grown woman to Myoko rather than a buxom loli, so that difference in appearance isn't a contradiction.

>>1856338
I meant hanyuu

Healthy.

>>1856344
Not really.

Her breast size in fanart is generally exaggerated.

I like normal sized Hanyuu the best

>>1856177
>>1856192
>>1856193

>>1856467
BTW, anyone notice how ridiculously reverse-trap-ish K1 looks in that last panel?

This is the right thread to ask

Why nobody her horns?
please tell me!

>>1856512
rage.jpg

hy heart

so can someone point me in the right direction to find the torrent for the 4th game?

>>1856552
TT うみねこ

>>1856582
ty

>>1856552
http://tokyotosho.com/search.php?terms=%E3%81%86%E3%81%BF%E3%81%AD%E3%81%93%E3%81%AE%E3%81%AA%E3%81%
8F%E9%A0%83%E3%81%AB&type=0

I want to taste Rika's spicy taco.

>>1856668
Who doesn't?

>>1856850

I'm not particularly a fan of spicy things.

>>1856951
She has breasts! Noooooo!

Or does she?

>>1857624
Are there any scans of this available?

Hanyuuuu: I just thought of, of something great...

Hanyuu: Rika~ My, um, do it in my you-know-where...

Rika: WTF?!


くそ，too much at once...

What happened to the picture that was just here?