/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>18481062
乙

>>18480946
Is that not what the guide and these threads do?

>>18480940
I started with イリヤの空、UFOの夏
It's good and wasn't too hard

>>18480960
Isn't 6k/10k an expanded version of 2k?
I would say throw that out and read instead, and mine words if you can't live without flashcards

>>18480795
You have to read the book while going through the deck. If you are doing 20 kanji per day, read 20 entries in the book, then open Anki and do the cards.

Make sure you read the introduction so you don't come here and ask stupid questions.

>>18480960
I'd recommend going for the 10k from the start instead of starting with 2k/6k and possibly wanting to switch later. You will probably quit at some point to start mining, so it doesn't really matter.

The first deck I did was a Genki deck because that is how I was learning grammar and I hated having to look up words on the vocab page all the time. It is personal preference, just do whatever you want.

rate my しんにょう radical

>>18480946
read more

whats the most efficient way to mine vn's now? firefox quantum ruined everything

>>18481099
I use Chiitrans Lite.

Why don't you own a 湯のみ like this so you can study fish kanji while drinking tea, DJT?

>>18481107
I mostly just ignore fish kanji. I don't even know the different fish in English.
A generic "fish" makes just as much sense in the story.

>>18481099
Install Firefox ESR.

>>18481107
中々欲しい、その例えを見せると。入れた茶が魚みたいな味しをしないか。

>>18481099
spark reader, yomichan, manual card creation, etc

Should I take my time with my anki reps, or just focus and do them all at once. I like the slow burn, let them sink in a little. Feel my 大和魂 bubble up inside of me.

I run into a card like 座る. It's a fairly easy kanji and reading to remember... yet I write down 「座わる」, failing the card. How can I avoid falling into such a trap?

>>18481165
Write it using your keyboard.

>>18481165
how about first you climb out of the production cards trap

>>18481147
I only really spend extra time on cards that I got wrong. Otherwise I press good the moment I recognize them.

>>18481191
Hmm.. if my end goal is reading comprehension, maybe production cards aren't so useful? It leaves room for my own personal errors, doesn't it, while recognition cards will give me the real deal every time. You may be on to something there.

Why does the 6k/10k deck start with 外観?
I remember the core decks introducing the easiest concepts like numerals first

>>18481099
it ruined rikaisama
yomichan is a 'good enough' replacement nowdays
otherwise what he said>>18481119

>>18481214
>Hmm.. if my end goal is reading comprehension, maybe production cards aren't so useful?
production isn't comprehensible input

>>18481219
is it the optimized deck?

>>18481099
>>18481221
Firefox fucks up yomichan's audio import for me, so I use google botnet now

>>18481236
indeed
Should I stick to it or just download the other one?

>>18481255
Are you sure the deck is set up to show you new cards in order, instead of randomized?

>>18481225
I'm actually using the optimized clozed core2/6k.
Like
赤い「」を二本引いてください

answer: 線

So I make myself write the kanji and voice the complete sentence. I get input practice from the surrounding sentence.

>>18481266
So basically you memorize example sentences.

>>18481266
How do you know it's 線 and not 棒 or 鉛筆 or literally anything else?

>>18481282
No, I memorize words with the aid of example sentences. If I'm reading a manga and I see 線 I'll know it, easily..

>>18481259
I'm positive everything is fine, I've been grinding kanji for months using 'All in One Kanji - Heisig Order'
I even tried starting the deck again and again and it always starts with 外観

>>18481287
Sorry, the clozed question will include the word it's looking for.

>>18481266
The key word in "comprehensible input" isn't "input" but "comprehensible"
Memorizing eng>jp in the context of example sentences is not doing you any good
Just delete your production cards, and expend a little more brainpower on thinking about kanji with the time gained

>cloze decks
>rtk
>sentence cards
>extended core decks
>"production" (recall)
>parsers
What the fuck happened?

>>18481248
Your noscript is blocking jpod101 and preventing the audio

>>18481310
Is it possible to change the format of my anki deck all at once? I would hate to lose all of my progress.

>>18481093
絶対バランスが崩れる

>>18481343
まあ手で書くことはリアルワールドしないかな

>>18481343

>>18481327
I think you should be able to open the deck and select an entire category of cards to remove. I can't really help you more specifically than that since I haven't used anki in a while and don't know your particular deck

>>18481314
its the end of feb and all the new years resolutioners have wandered off, attracted by the next shiny thing
that left /int/ to die from lack of activity, and so we are to entertain those that endless dance around the language

but don't worry, they'll soon give up once they realize which end of the iceberg they are poking

>>18481400
どうしてYOUがこのスレに来るか

>>18481407
the odd thing google can't explain, usually an omission or reference

>>18481400
So I'm not considered a new year resolutioner anymore?

>>18481316
Thanks. I asked in here when I first had the problem, but since I got no answers it was easier to switch than try to fix it

>>18481400
it's more like a pot that keeps boiling over with beginners from the bottom and tossing the intermediate learners out over the edge, into the fire of real comprehensible input

and some of us are fated to come back years later when they have too much free time and make serious replies to misguided beginner questions

that image makes me wish i was also a schoolgirl sleeping on yugioh in a kotatsu sofa

>tfw after 15000 words and 5 years you realize that you're still not good enough at the language
I just want to be able to read without being shackled to a dictionary.

>>18481621
15000 words in 5 years seems pretty shabby, maybe you should read more.

>>18481621
15k isn't enough for that

>>18481400
>its the end of feb and all the new years resolutioners have wandered off, attracted by the next shiny thing
I'm learning Japanese all right, I just don't need to post in DJT daily for this.

>>18481683
To be more specific, I am reading porn (including novels) in it, since Japanese never seems to be useful for anything else. If I ever become a decent human being I'll probably some classical novels, but the association of Japanese with porn and drawn girls is so strong for me right now that I find it weird to read anything else in it.

>>18481726
Porn is something I just skip through.
I'm mainly interested in scifi/fantasy VN and games, and also moe games to help with my loneliness. But even there I skip the porn, as I never really fap to cartoon characters. I wonder how many people are out there like me, who only likes 3DPD when it comes to porn, but reads romantic VNs for the emotional needs.

>9pm
>still haven't read

>>18481745
I'm an emotionally thick person, so I tend to get bored by romance... There was one romance VN written by a female author that I played through, and I really tried to think on the characters and their actions as I was playing through it, but to be honest, it didn't truly make sense to me. It was like visiting a zoo to observe the strange animals; of course, I did not turn into an animal upon leaving.

I suppose sci-fi stories can be interesting for me though. What have you been reading?

>>18481071
I realized I have no idea where to even find random raw LNs (nyaa doesnt have the one you metnioned with any seeders), and that they're all probably going to be jpegs...

>>18481829
Baldr Sky was one of the best scifi stories I read, VN or not.

>>18481832
http://djt.netlify.com/

>>18481844
>VN or not.
Not a problem.

Will try it. Thanks.

>>18481796
just read you dumb chinese loli

I was translating this comic and had some trouble with the last line. What is the phrase どゆこと? I figured it was a slurred version of どういう but when I put it into google translate I got "with friends." Jisho doesn't have anything on どゆ. I think both ways could make sense in this context, but I don't know what this どゆこと is.

>>18481832
It's in the CoR in scanned form and azw3

>>18481946
why are you "translating" anything when you don't even know the basics of the basics

it's どういうこと

>>18481963
Because I haven't ever encountered that form of slurring for that phrase. That's why I came to ask for help from someone who would know better than me.

>>18481946
If you're trusting google translate with anything, you should probably not translate.
Anyway, your guess was right, it's どういうこと.

>>18481982
that doesn't answer my question

i didn't ask why you came here, i asked why you are "translating"

>>18481936
but i'm busy shitposting
speaking of shitposting does anyone know how well ITH grabs Rance games? Will it hook the gameplay text or am I just fucked?

>>18481983
Okay thanks.

>>18481996
Because I want to know what the comic says.

How do I get my head around the many meanings of 差す?
Also is it just me or do the meanings of 差す、指す and 射す kind of bleed together a bit? Going by weblio's example sentences.

>>18482062
>Because I want to know what the comic says.
So you're just reading it for yourself?
When you say you're translating something, it implies that you're going to produce a translated version and probably release it.

>>18482062
>Because I want to know what the comic says.
...so you meant to say that you were reading it? I feel like this has happened before -- where one person says that they're "translating" a manga or whatever and then it turns out that that was just their way of explaining that they were reading it to themselves in such a way that they could understand what was going on. まったく...

>>18482072
It's always obvious from context.

>>18482072
Unless you're preparing for an exam that will demand of you to separate the three spellings I wouldn't worry about that.

>>18482075
I'm primarily translating it for myself but I'm also going to show it to other people who are interested in it. This isn't a commercial release, I'm doing it for free and for fun and don't claim to be a professional.

>>18482072
Context.
You'll almost never see a sentence where that word is just used without an object which is being sasu'd.

>>18482078
Don't really see the difference. I just want to learn Japanese and help people enjoy a fun, short comic that they might not understand otherwise.

When will the statistics for the December test come out?

>>18482072
it doesn't really have "many meanings" so much as it's an unfocused word and has several kanji you can use to write it

look it up in a j→j dictionary or just use your IME:

差す→《一般的》傘を差す、刀を差す
指す→指で示す
射す→(光が)射す

>>18482078
Completely ignoring translations when learning Japanese means that I struggle massively even when I'm trying to name what the English translation of a word like 水 (みず) is in a context where it is plainly cold water. My brain has just not been wired to translate anything. I sometimes envy those who learned through translations so that they can quickly produce correct English upon seeing any Japanese, and I can't help but wonder if that way might in fact be the best way to learn correct comprehension of Japanese instead of wading through Japanese thought patterns trying to reconstruct a native's understanding from the ground up. My attempts to translate Japanese usually have almost nothing in common grammatically with the original because I try to get meaning across.

>>18482147
>My brain has just not been wired to translate anything
Thats actually the best feeling to have. It means you're pretty fucking fluent and wont "think" of the translations for the japanese word.

Take pride in that.

Is it normal to find reading Japanese extremely tiring, even after reading for several years?
It feels like my brain gets completely worn out after a few hours of reading.

>>18482233
I find reading tiring in general.

>>18482100
>Don't really see the difference
well the difference between translating and reading something is pretty clear cut
this is what the process looks like:

1. read original language
2. comprehend intent of the text (i.e. break language down into meaning)
3. compose new text with same intent in other language

when you read something you stop after step 2, when you translate something you move on to step 3 and do the hard work

>>18482147
>My attempts to translate Japanese usually have almost nothing in common grammatically with the original
why would they need to?
english and japanese are different languages
they have vastly different grammars and ways of carrying over meaning
the reason you can't translate is because there's an issue somewhere in the process, either with processing the intent and meaning of text (as in, you don't know japanese), or with composing text in english (as in, you're bad at the actual act of "translation," writing sentences with difficult meanings in english)

>I can't help but wonder if that way might in fact be the best way to learn correct comprehension of Japanese
i can 100% assure you that it is not
why you would ever think this is fucking beyond me
the "correct comprehension" of a language has absolutely zero to do with any another language

>>18482201
don't tout ignorance as some kind of accomplishment
not being able to translate isn't anything to take pride in, nor does it mean he's fluent, the reason could easily be that he just sucks at understanding japanese

>>18482100
The difference is that to understand something, you do not have to produce grammatically valid and semantically similar English, and you do not have to think in English, you are able to get into more of a Japanese mindset and absorb the language for what it is, minimizing the actual translation that goes on in your mind in order to grasp what is going on.
In other words, producing a translation at a low level of skill is reducing the efficacy of your study and possibly giving you a crutch that may be hard to get rid of.

Hello guys! I'm starting my first JP VN. I just need a dictionary. Is the one found of the rikaisama site fine?

>>18482265
Read it with chiitrans lite text hooker. It should have a built in dictionary.

>>18482247
If you do English > Japanese translations in your head mean that you'll have more lag time in conversation.

>>18482273
>conversation
go back to /int/

>>18482273
yeah, obviously

what does that have to do with what I said?

no one who knows a language needs to translate from another language to produce anything
if you have to do that, it just means you lack the prior comprehensible input you need to be able to naturally form sentences in that language, i.e. you don't know the language yet

>>18482247
>not being able to translate isn't anything to take pride in, nor does it mean he's fluent, the reason could easily be that he just sucks at understanding japanese
I know three languages and have a hard time translating between them, doesn't mean I don't understand them just fine. Translating is a seperate skill from understanding languages, it's also more of a test of your writing skills in the language you are translating to instead of the language you are translating from

>>18482317
see >>18482309

This dude basically explained what im trying to convey to you.

>>18482265
Takoboto for android.

>>18482326
So if I have trouble translating English into my native language that means I don't know either language and it's a miracle I'm even able to write this post at all?

If you don't know how to say something then you won't figure out how to say it by trying to translate from another language.

>>18482317
yeah thanks, that's exactly what I was pointing out by illustrating the process

>the reason could easily be that he just sucks at understanding japanese
this sentence means that, while not necessarily so, the reason COULD be that his japanese isn't good

i'm not saying he's bad at japanese, i'm just trying to convey that the "can't translate = has a form of magical fluency" way of thinking is dangerous and doesn't make any sense
when you translate, if you're not fluent to the level of the text you are translating, your translation will be bad, period

so, being a good translator rationally stems from being a *good understander* as well as a good writer
there's nothing to take pride in not being a good translator, it's like taking pride in not being a good artist

accidentally surprise boxed this entire post, whoops, reposting

>>18482317
yeah thanks, that's exactly what I was pointing out by illustrating the process

>the reason could easily be that he just sucks at understanding japanese
this sentence means that, while not necessarily so, the reason COULD be that his japanese isn't good

i'm not saying he's bad at japanese, i'm just trying to convey that the "can't translate = has a form of magical fluency" way of thinking is dangerous and doesn't make any sense
when you translate, if you're not fluent to the level of the text you are translating, your translation will be bad, period

so, being a good translator rationally stems from being a *good understander* as well as a good writer
there's nothing to take pride in not being a good translator, it's like taking pride in not being a good artist

Not the guy translating, and ive never done this personally, but i've always considered a decent test of my understanding of a language if it could just rephrase it using that same language
is this a big mistake?

>>18481367

>>18482399
There's a difference between having a vague understanding of something in Japanese and knowing every little nuance and then trying to convey as many as those nuances as possible while also trying to sound completely natural.
Translating is a completely different skill set than just reading Japanese.

>>18482442
TL note: "vague" in this person's post means "nonspecific", not "wishwashy".

おはようおにいちゃん

>>18481122
あたしんちにもある

１００ねんくらいまえのやつ

>>18482359
no, but writing a post like the one you just did does mean you are stupid and can't read, if that interests you

>>18482399
I don't quite get what you mean
are you saying being able to rephrase something in a language means you are good at it?
that's kind of vague and i'm not sure production has that relationship with comprehension

>>18482406
that was a jab at a badly phrased sentence
you didn't think google actually came up with the better phrasing on its own?
sadly AI hasn't come that far yet

>>18482399
Atleast that's still a test of your skill in the language you are learning. Translating is mostly a test of your skill in the other language

>>18482466
>are you saying being able to rephrase something in a language means you are good at it?
not really 'good' at it, but able to understand it
i feel like if there was any kind of misunderstanding at all, the rephrasing within the same language would not be possible

>>18481829
>but to be honest, it didn't truly make sense to me. It was like visiting a zoo to observe the strange animals
That sounds like actual Autism.

Why can't they just write shit normally?
What the fuck is the deal with things like this 見ヶ〆

>rance 10 came out
Time for some Japanese studying

>>18482542
It's unvoiced trash.

>>18482544
All the best games happen to have no voice acting.

>>18482552
Some good games have no voice acting. Most of the good games do.

>>18482247
Apologies. I was only wondering if learning through translations is efficient. Eventually I do build up an understanding of what the things mean through massive exposure, but, for instance, this created the feeling in me that Japanese grammar is rather difficult because of the large differences that must be somehow acquired. There's a degree of disbelief that I feel when I see posts on 4chan from foreigners asserting that Japanese grammar is easy: is it the power of translations? Or is it my own problem with not being good at new languages? I personally find Latin grammar easier because it's just so particular and highly compatible with modern European languages requiring me to learn almost nothing new in actuality. Yes, in Latin, I do need to learn the endings for the dative case, and there are a lot of endings for it across declensions, but I do not need to learn what the dative case is (on an intuitive, linguistic level) because I already know that by virtue of speaking German. I can also easily cleanly separate it from the ablative case on the same intuitive level even if the ending is the same. On the other hand, trying to really understand what something like で is in Japanese in all contexts, well, I'm on my own here. For me, it took exposure to reasonably acquire what that is, and the only scenario under which I imagine I would find it easy would be if I just learned to translate it as "and" "as" etc. depending on context (and can I always judge that correctly?) and then I would proceed to claim that this was child's play because all of these translations are served by one particle.

I guess my problem is I'm trying to understand how all those English monolinguals and Portuguese speakers are finding Japanese grammar easy when it almost all consists of categories that are different from European ones, so I thought of the early practice of translating everything as a possible shortcut.

>>18482609
Most of the people who claim Japanese grammar is easy are beginners who just looked at a conjugation table on Wikipedia.

>>18482233
if youre reading something that you really like then you dont get tired

if youve never read something and it gave you near infinite energy to continue (time on the other hand..) then you just gotta keep workin at your japanese

>>18482636
if you always think things are hard then they always stay hard and you stunt your own growth

>>18482636
Most of the people who claim Japanese grammar is hard don't know the difference between grammar and memorizing hundreds of set phrases, adverbs and conjunctions.
For example, 90% of DOJG is not grammar.

>>18482676
>if you always think things are hard then they always stay hard and you stunt your own growth
this isn't about self confidence, this is about how much relative time and effort it realistically takes to learn the language
you can have confidence while also accepting the idea that what you're doing is complex

>>18482691
so then its not the grammar thats hard but your learning process

>>18482544
much like your posting!!

>>18482678
> memorizing hundreds of set phrases, adverbs and conjunctions.

But that's not what makes grammar difficult at all. If you haven't had thousands of hours of input and think your grammar is acceptable, you're wrong.

>>18482741
If my mom wasn't sleeping in the next room I'd voice my post on vocaroo.

>>18482716
are you fucking simple, jesus christ
there is only 1 learning process to a language, that has nothing to do with this
the grammar is what is complex, as a system

you're trying to talk about something else here
but this isn't about how much confidence you have or how easy it is for you to produce or understand the language at the current point in time

it's about how it's a language and therefore complex and takes a lot of input to become proficient at

don't be a clown who claims "grammar" can be taught in 5 minutes

>>18482492
I am autistic unfortunately. I can't speak about how that feels because I don't know the perspective of normal people, and I myself feel pretty normal, but in general it seems that trying to interact with people ends up in disasters.

>>18482783
so then whats hard? the spending time gaining input? is that the hard part?

also if itll make you flip out some more yea you can learn grammar in a couple minutes easy and then you can move on to the true learning of japanese: thousands of flash cards lol

>>18482676
>if you always think things are hard then they always stay hard and you stunt your own growth
This is ridiculous. You can be honest about the difficulty of something while maintaining confidence that you will overcome it regardless.

>>18482807
then thats just stating obvious that is universal for everything: things you dont know how to do are hard

>there are people in this thread who honestly think that japanese grammar is hard, especially when it's a contextual based language.

jesus christ /djt/. You're fucking killing me here.

>>18482819
Glad we have a pro, can you explain this for me:

　半蔵の最初の男の子が生れたのは祝言をあげて六月経った時で、はた目にもにおいたつような男振りの半蔵が、仕事が終ると脇目もふらず家へもどってまだ首のすわらない赤子に乳を飲ませている女にまといつきじっと見ているのをそれとなしに眼にするのは、路地に降る雨も雪も決して冷たいばかりではない、痛いばかりではないと大きなものに心で手をあわせる気持にさせた。それからすぐに半蔵は兵役に取られたので、一年ほどしてもどってきた時、男の子はもうどこから見ても、路地に廻ってくる講釈師や説教師に聴いたやんごとない身の貴人さながらの中本の一統の顔に半蔵の男振りが加わり、その子を、銭湯につれて行くのか肩車してサラシ一つ下穿き一つで路地の中を歩いていく姿は、女でなくても惚れぼれする。

>>18482834
The first boy of Hanzo was born when we celebrated after six months, and a manish wife, Hanzo, which is also a blindfold at the end of the work, when the work finishes, the side went back to the house and still headed It is nevertheless cold not only that rain and snow falling in the alley are not only cold but it is not only painful It made me feel like putting my hands together with my heart. Then, as soon Hanzo was taken to military service, when I came back about a year or so, the boy is no doubt seen from anywhere, as a noble woman heard by a lecturer and a preacher around the alley Hanzo 's finesse is added to the face of a book, and a figure walking in an alley with a shoulder strap and one underwear with a child wearing a public bath, falls in love even if she is not a woman.

>>18482803
>so then whats hard? the spending time gaining input?
yes
taking in comprehensible input isn't an idle activity, it still requires dedicated thought
forming a full understanding of a grammar so that you can analyze and produce in it also takes dedicated thought

>>18482812
are you so stiff your brain naturally dilutes the meaningful language you read and think into bullshit
reading your posts i wouldn't be surprised

>>18482819
why don't you rewrite this post for me in japanese toshiaki san

>>18482872
so for you is it actually the spending time part or the dedicated thought part thats hard
people with add and adhd have trouble with dedicated thought for biological reasons so this is understandable

its like how for me i have erectile dysfunction so while you may able to get huge boners at the drop of a hat its ironically hard for me to get or keep an erection firm enough for sexual intercourse

>>18482812
Things that you are attempting to learn vary in difficulty to learn irrespective of your progress in learning them, don't be daft.

>>18482907
i would say both

idk why you're delving so hard into the definition of the word "hard" here but this is super trivial

i would describe japanese grammar as "needing much effort or skill to deal with or understand"

it's not any different than english grammar in this sense, or any other language's grammar, it's a language and its most skilled and experienced users will always make new ways for you to apply effort toward understanding and appreciating their use of language

>>18482834
I'm the guy who thinks Japanese is grammar is hard to acquire if you have no proximity to the language, but I find this text pleasant to read and the grammar takes me on a smooth journey. I just wouldn't dare thinking of translating to English. I'm also not sure what to explain short of just translating the whole thing (which I dread) because my understanding of Japanese is unconscious.

>>18482942
im just fuckin about but it was worth it because i got a profound line out of you
> it's a language and its most skilled and experienced users will always make new ways for you to apply effort toward understanding and appreciating their use of language
but this isnt the hard part this is the fun part as both the writer and reader roles

>>18482978
things can be hard and fun

>>18482992
not my daft penis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJfJTmfq2Q4

>>18482992
どうしてすっぽんぽん？

>>18482834
During the month of June, Hanzou's first son was born and celebrations ensued. Hanzou was one handsome mother fucker and when his work ended he returned to the home that he had abandoned (TL note: abandoned feels like too strong of a word, but I'm a brainlet and can't think of anything better). At home was his infant son who still couldn't hold his neck up on his own; he was watched over by some cutie who fed the boy milk from her tits and...
You win. ｇらっまｒは難しすぎる！

>>18482834
半蔵君２４さい

イケメンでリア充

おとこにもモテモテ

バツイチ連れ子あり

>>18483070
そうこなくっちゃ

>>18482803
>so then whats hard? the spending time gaining input? is that the hard part?
basically any task considered hard is really just thousands of hours of practice

most people are innately incapable of working that hard at anything

>>18483305
>most people are innately incapable of working that hard at anything
>automation intensifies

Daily reminder:
>The power comes in response to a need, not a desire

Your mind needs to know that it needs to learn Japanese if you want to learn it. You can't progress unless you put yourself into a life or death situation where learning is the only way you can save yourself

>1 post in the past 3 hours
dead thread dead language

>>18482075
now you're just being an ass

>>18483142
半蔵君はほられてしまいました

にじがかかりました

my anki core 2k deck stopped showing images with the current wordset. is there a way i can fix this without deleting my progress?

>小松さんは妻と2人暮らしで、きのう午前11時ごろに近所の人が除雪作業をしている小松さんの姿を目撃していました。
Why does this sentence say 目撃していました instead of just 目撃しました? I understand that 目撃した would just be plainly stating that they witnessed it, and 目撃している would be something like they're in the state of having witnessed it, but for some reason 目撃していた eludes me.
A couple other examples from other articles:
>現場では事件の2週間前から白いワゴン車に乗った若い男女を近くに住む人たちが目撃していました
>こちらの女性も沿線のマンションから電車に燃え移る様子を目撃していました。

>>18484310
Why does sentence say "were [verb]ing" instead of "[verb]ed"?
Nah, actually I don't know anything, but maybe it's similar.

>>18483944
そんなにイチかバチか状態は本当に必要？つまり、記憶するようにすごく抵抗があるか

I've noticed that when I learn kanji with mnemonics, it takes less time for me to get them right, but it takes much longer for me to get them right at reading speed. I think this is because every time I see the kanji, my brain goes through the paces of the mnemonic; "it's the kanji that is made up of the radical that looks like that thing and the radical that looks like that other thing so the two things together become that third thing which is pronounced as X and means Y". For some kanji, even after months and hundreds of repetitions, it still takes me a few seconds to read them.
Since my goal is "reading fluently", am I shooting myself in the foot with the mnemonics?

>>18484590

Takes you much longer compared to what? Unless you've also studied kanji without them, I'm not sure what you could be making a comparison with. Either way we're talking a couple thousand abstract combinations of lines here, it'll take almost anyone at least months to start remembering them without having to think about it, at least outside the most common ones. Sounds to me like you're doing pretty well if it only takes you seconds some months in.

Either way mnemonics and visualizations serve two things, to make kanji/words easier to commit to your memory soon after seeing them and to have something to fall back on if and when you forget one. If you have to "go through the paces" then that simply means it's not yet committed to your memory properly, a fact that would most likely be true even if you didn't use any memorization techniques.

If you struggle with something specific repeatedly over a long period of time, it probably just means you picked a bad mnemonic or visualization or are trying to do too much, e.g. including pronunciations you'd better off learning as part of vocabulary (which in my opinion is all of them except the most dominatingly common onyomi of each kanji).

>all new manga raws have watermarks

It's over, time to stop learning

>>18484704
https://github.com/marcbelmont/cnn-watermark-removal

>>18484704
Is it really that big a deal?

>>18481400
Joke's on you, the progress on my new year's resolution is going smoothly.

I finally understand at least 70% of きらきらスタディー～絶対合格宣言 after 3 months of learning Japanese. Are you proud of me yet ? . I do think a lot of these are contributed to card mining and having a huge vocab (for someone of my level). I do still struggle a lot with grammar and/or slangs though ...

>>18484704
What?

>>18482542
I'm playing it now. It's not better than most of the last rance games honestly and I think it's pretty stupid to start from the last game in the series.

What is the best way to understand and study grammar like ni yotte, ni totte, ni taishite etc

Most grammar guides focus on particles or conjugates.

>>18484704
But and rip them yourself. Alternatively, read what was bought, ripped and uploaded to the djt manga site. If you can't find it online but can find it in the djt site, it's a retail rip. Those don't have watermarks.

>>18485109
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/

おなかすいた

おなべたべたい

I wish KanjiTomo could account for conjugations like Yomichan.

>>18481316
>noscript
Do people really still use this deprecated garbage? I thought everyone would've switched to uMatrix by now.

お茶の子さいさい
>物事が容易にできること。とても易しいこと。
Cool phrase.

>>18481291
Are you using the Core10K deck?

The order is fucked by default. You need to sort by one of the index fields in the browser and then select all cards (click a card > CTRL+A) > Edit > Reposition > OK

>>18485347
Different anon but that index in the Core10k optimised i+1, etc. etc. deck is the Optimized-Voc-Index2k+4kDefault. This is a field in the deck, select to sort by that field in the browser and reorder from there.
There are other couple of sorting index fields which are older versions, including the original Core deck order. They were probably kept for legacy reasons.

Japanese grammer is ridiculously simple. You can learn it in less than five minutes if you hurry. I'm not joking. All you really need to know is the definitions of は(is), が(is), と(and), も(and), や(or), の(of), …て(imperative tense), …た(past tense), …たい(desire to tense), and …ない(negative tense), and know that descriptive chains work backwards (i.e. how in English we would say "the fish's scales are red", but in Japanese they order it like 赤いの鱗の魚 "redのscalesのfish". Just read it backwards and it will make sense to you.)
Know those things and you know all the grammar you need to read anything that isn't a dialect or slang. Punctuation is exactly the same as English except their double quotes look like this:「」and their single quoutes look like this: 『』and their periods have a hole in them like this:。
There, you now know Japanese grammar. Wasn't that easy.

Memorizing Hiragana and Katakana by flash card should take you about an hour and a half each, so three hours.. You might not have it perfect, but you'll know it well enough to read. Here's the website I used.
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/s/sheaa/projects/genki/hiragana-timer.html
http://www.csus.edu/indiv/s/sheaa/projects/genki/katakana-timer.html
Then read these five minute articles:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dakuten_and_handakuten
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokuon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi_(kana)

So that's about three and a half hours to learn enough Japanese to start reading books. I personally recommend studying by reading books, no amount of flash cards can compare to testing yourself against actual usage of the language. Use any kind of book you want- Japanese wikipedia, manga, porn, it all works just as well.
If you study for an hour a day, every day, and let me stress that point, EVERY SINGLE DAY, you can expect this kind of time table.

Day One- Have to look up every word and in a dictionary. Massive headaches for the entire period of study.
Month Three- Headaches still present but not as bad
Month Six- No more headaches.
Month Twelve- You can read fast enough to enjoy books in Japanese just as much as you enjoy them in English.
Month Twenty- You will start to think in Japanese.
Month Twenty-Four- You can read as fast as a normal Japanese reading pace if you rush.

If you can't study for an hour a day, although I'm betting you can, study for thirty minutes and double all they numbers in the above timeline. For fifteen minutes, quadruple them. If you can't find fifteen minutes a day to study, you can't learn Japanese.

>>18485471
>赤いの鱗の魚

↑
>>18478773

>>18481314
None of this helps people learn Japanese. Only New Years Resolutioners from reddit and /int/ remain here.

Why am I here? Well, I wrote "4ch" on the address bar and after half a year it still gives me /jp/ as the first suggestion

>>18485471
>I don't know Japanese but let me tell you how to learn Japanese.

>>18485581
>>18485516

>falling for obvious bait

>沖
>water, middle
>surrounded by water
>"offshore"

>>18485586
Nobody would put that much effort into bait.

>I was just pretending

You'd be surprised.

Lazy anon here. Maybe some remember me. Did the J-CAT again today, "missed N1" by 5 points. At least there's improvement.

>>18485658
Fucking botnet.

>>18485586
fuck off retard

>>18485658
Hey, we have similar scores. I only took it three times, and it looks a lot like your first three times.
How'd you get over that hump in the fourth try?

>>18485693
Always watching a lot of anime daily.
Playing BotW entirely in Japanese (100h+ in at the moment, mining everything I don't know).
Grammar-wise I've read so many guides etc little by little, daily, that anything you can find in things like Tae Kim or DoJG are mastered to me. What fucked me up were expressions or advanced grammar words you seem to be specifically learning from JLPT N1 textbooks or by reading things that aren't manga.

Gonna do the TTBJ test again soon too as usual.
The URL changed for those unaware : http://ttbj-tsukuba.org/
It's a pretty interesting and complete test, more so than the J-CAT in my opinion. Just make sure to pick "SPOT90+Grammar90+漢字SPOT50" (aka the full test) when asked.

>>18485801
I failed the listening miserably for that.

>>18482542
Does ITH work on it? How much unhookable text does it have?

>>18485471
I recognise this retarded post

>>18485658
How do you even sign up to that shit? I tried making an account and they just never got back to me

>>18486056
dont worry youre prolly better off because its not an indication of anything unless youre acing it

>>18485984
No, it doesn't. Other subhumans are already crying about it not working on Nyaa and A-S. I guess you can join them.

Or leave DJT and actually learn Japanese. But that would be too hard, eh?

What level of Japanese on duolingo you must have to be fluent?

>>18486151
That sucks but atleast I can look up kanji just fine, it's just going to take more time without ITH

>>18486151
Someone should tell them that OCR exists. That's what I use to read VNs since I'm on Linux and ITH doesn't work on the version of Wine that my distro's repos have.

Of course, whether it works or not varies from VN to VN. If the text has an outline to it, or if the textbox is too transparent (and can't be made more opaque via the settings) or has a weird pattern on it, then the OCR shits itself and won't work.

>>18486056
Check your spam mails.

>>18486174
It's easy to read

How should I interpret とぼけた toboketa?

>>18486151
Why the animosity? Grow up

>>18486241
its written all over her face

>>18486262
what else are people gonna do here learn japanese? lol

>>18485658
Why does this shit require Flash? It's not the 2005 anymore.

>>18486241
「金の髪」も
「とぼけた(foolish)ようで聡明な言葉」も
(words which sound foolish but are actually clever)
「景色を視てるその眼」も
私とは違う

>>18486442
What do you have against flash?

>>18486529
It's insecure, outdated bloatware. Adobe have finally acknowledged this and are completely dropping support for it in 2020.

>>18481099
just install an old firefox version like i did
>"but muh security"
man you're learning nihonski out of all languages, and their web is 10 years behind everyone

If I want to speak about tomorrow evening, do I use の like this:
>明日の午後
In my native language we speak like tomorrow owns the evening, is this correct for Japanese as well?

>>18486614
Fuck outta here and back to /int/.

>>18486614
>明日の午後
correct.

>>18486442
Because Japan is a technologically backward shithole.

>>18486686
But they're one of the most technologically advanced countries in the world

Been reading for about a month now, and I feel no difference in my ability to read or learn Japanese so far. Does it take longer or am I doing something wrong?

>>18486702
I remember back in 2005 all the rave was flip phones. As a result, their web is stuck behind time, their sites are pratically designed for old shitty mobiles. The lack of PC popularity doesn't help as well.

>>18486262
Good luck at N3.

>>18486711
Personally I felt substantial improvement after a week of reading but I was also 8000 words into Anki. Make of that what you will.

>>18486702
Same thing as being one of the richest countries in the world and at the same time hating money, especially coming from foreigners.

>>18486605
>man you're learning nihonski out of all languages, and their web is 10 years behind everyone
That just increases the need to protect yourself.

Look at all the red colored vulnerabilities here:
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/
Each one of those can be used to install software on your computer if you so much as visit an infected webpage. No need for you to download or click on anything. Security is all the more important when you yourself are in an insecure environment.

>>18486702
That's what they want you to think.

https://edinburghnapiernews.com/2011/01/26/%E2%80%98japan-high-tech-image-low-tech-reality%E2%80%99/

>>18486711
You're not reading enough. Whether that's through not allowing yourself enough reading time per day or through using your reading time too inefficiently, I can't say.

>>18486717
>>18486764
>>18486796
>implying web 2.0 was a good thing
The Japanese have the right idea

>>18486711
Surely you solidified some of the words that you encountered, so that you'll read them easier next time. And you became more comfortable with some grammatical structures. And your reading speed slightly increased. It would be very strange if these things did not improve.

>>18486837
>using fucking flash for audio playback when it can be done with native html5 features just fine
Yeah, no. And that site requires JavaScript to function anyway.

>>18486855
>why isn't a site that's working perfectly fine rewritten in the latest meme language every 3 years because my overlord google decided to ban the competition in their browsers that corporatecucks like me use

>>18486890
fuck up

killing flash is probably the only good thing that apple ever did

>>18486789
You forgot to mention how noscript stops all of these

>>18486969
Not if you enable flash.

>>18486789
Use a VM disconnected from the web to play visual novels. There, now you can use any old version of Windows and Firefox and run all the games with that Firefox auto-scrolling Rikaisama bit of kit.
Works like Magic.

What's your favorite kiddo-easy manga like yotsubato?
Years ago I studied till I could read simple SoL manga rarely having to search vocab but I stopped practicing the language till recently now I'm rusted and I need to unrust my rust
Core deck is going extremely smooth and easy so I think simple vocab is burned in my mind, just need to refresh it, but I've had big trouble reading the femdom porn pics and comics I used to read
So I need to start over from the basics I think

>>18486855
4chan requires Javascript.

>>18487096
Nah.

>>18487092
からかい上手の高木さん

Anybody have the remaining Accel World volumes uploaded in azw3 format?

I'm looking for an easy LN series that is just a high school romance without any weird fantasy/scifi/trap stuff. Any suggestions?

The only one I've found so far is Toradora.

Which reading of 主 should I use when it means something's, like an object's owner?

>>18487776
oreimo

>>18487866
ぬし

>>18487776
strawberry panic

>>18486442
don't tell /f/ that

>>18487975
maybe you should go tell them that.. in /f/

Is it bad to do anki vocab study without audio?

I think I might have screwed up my mining deck and Japanese in general by reading to many erodoujins. My mining deck is full of dirty words, and they remind me of the scenes and scenarios they came from, and now whenever I do reps I get an erection. Even just reading Japanese, without any sort of sexual content or connotations, is beginning to turn me on. Japanese study has gotten me to start masturbating several times a day now.

>>18488063
I don't think most people ever use audio.

>>18488075
I feel like my deck could be used against me in a pizza case.

>>18488075
Stop thinking about dirty things all the time. I bet your deck is full of simple innocent words like 一物 or ヒダ, and you're just overthinking it.

GUISE I HAVE THE SECRET TO LEARN JAPANESE.

LITERALLZ READ 24/7 DONT GRAMMAR DONT ANKI DONT WASTE TIME RREAD READ READ READ AND READ MORE, LITERALLY HARDCORE IMMERSON LMAO

TAE KIM STYLE FIREHOSE METHOD. READ 24/7 AND PUSH YOUR JAPANESE LEVEL TO MARS

>>18488075

Sure that's not just your brain trying to avoid having to work by creating a pleasant distraction? It's definitely a real thing some people do, I have the same thing to a lesser degree and I also often just get sleepy as hell whenever I'm supposed to start doing something.

>>18488095
Too much bother. Can I just watch subbed anime and learn Japanese in a year or two?

>>18488098
I get sleepy every time I start studying. It's awful.
And when I'm well rested I start thinking about my imaginary gf instead.

>>18488063
i mean you are robbing yourself of a nonzero amount of input so use your own discretion

>>18488075
consider this: most boys jerk off several times a week to several times a day but how many of them quit studying japanese altogether eventually
if youre studying as much as youre jacking off you will 必ず learn nipponese

>>18488098
Sometimes it does feel like I'm fantasizing in part to avoid concentrating on memorization. Either way it makes studying a bit harder.

>>18488110
Thanks for the encouragement.

>>18488095
I would focus on reading more, but I always get stuck on a sentence and then I have to do some research on the grammar which takes ages.

>>18488110
I can't even imagine what I would have learnt if I spent all the time I did jacking off doing something productive.

>>18488262
Why not just make a mental note of the unfamiliar grammar and then move on to the next sentence?

I'll start going to japanese classes because I can't get my shit together and study alone. Wish me luck lads

>>18488472
I would wish you luck, but I already know you're going to fail anyway so there's no point

>>18488472
If you can't study alone because it's too intimidating, class is a fine, but very slow, way to build a base of knowledge. If you're just lazy, undisciplined, a drug/fapping addict, or have no order in your life, class isn't going to help you

Every time I sit down to read I end up alt tabbing a ton and in the 1 hour I allocate to reading I end up only reading probably for 40 minutes or so. Am I just a retard who can't focus?

>>18488512
>not turning your オナニ addiction into language learning fuel

もう can mean both "already" and "another/again". So in the example sentence
>コーヒーをもう一杯ください
Why is the translation "Give me another cup of coffee," and not "The coffee is already full"?
Is it because the context of ください should make it obvious that it's a request?

>>18488622
Probably but you're also reading shit you are not compelled by. Drop it and read something more interesting.

>>18485002
>card mining and having a huge vocab (for someone of my level)

What exactly did you do to acquire this much vocabulary in such little time? What were your exact methods of card mining and vocabulary acquisition? Shared decks or homebrewed?

>>18488633
More importantly, there's the を particle which makes it an object, not a subject.
If you wanted to say that it's already full, you would use は or が.

>>18488670
every VN that is actually interesting is too hard to read for me

>>18488690
you dont know if its actually interesting then
you just want to believe it is because its locked behind the door leaving all the possibilities open

>>18488724
can you recommend what you consider interesting then? Because all I see at my level is SoL stuff

>Microsoft IME won't give me dirty words
Do I need Google IME for that?

>>18488633
Also while this isn't an absolute rule, 一杯 is usually not written in kanji when it means "full" or "lots"

>>18488690
>>18488757
take what you think is going to be interesting and push through it anyway
you won't learn if you keep saying it's too hard

>>18488759
You should be using google ime anyway ヽ(｀Д´#)ﾉ ﾑｷｰ!!

>>18488759
what do you mean dirty words
like 青姦?
you can always use shift+arrows to separate kanji and scroll down to the one you want
or just input them one at a time

anyone here know offhand the closest thing to the 抱く family of terms (抱く、抱き着く、抱きしめる、etc) that don't have a secondary sexual reading

>>18488806
抱擁？

>>18488757
Himawari is easy. Nanairo Reincarnation is easy.

>>18488815
i guess that works, came across it but i was maybe under the impression that it was rarer than it was

>>18488877
It's definitely less common and more flowery than 抱きしめる. What are you trying to do anyway?
I don't think I've even seen 抱く used to mean sex yet, whatever you're doing it's probably a better word than 抱擁

>>18488806
レイプ

>>18488912
俺は笑えない

>>18488911
>What are you trying to do anyway?
not anything in particular, just thinking over a couple times where i'd seen the term used with the secondary meaning and it took me a double take to figure it out

>>18488757
if shit literally falls apart to the point of being unreadable between two different types of visual novel then theres a big problem fundamentally
most of the vns i think were interesting are old as hell now and the only interesting thing about them now to me is my memory of them being interesting back then before everything was further done to death
that said maybe give memories off or green green (get the remake) a go
i dont know what youre looking for besides not what im guessing is modern moege but maybe youd like one of those
cheers

whats some yotsuba level web stuff to read

>>18489038
imouto posts

>>18489038
Just check out what's on niconico or comico. I read some manga about a young witch who moved out to the countryside and met some young girl who wants to fly planes. I can't remember the name though.

>>18489073
was hoping to find content that wont require using ocr for words i dont know

>>18489038
https://syosetu.com/ have fun theres enough to last several lifetimes

>>18489038
it's a bit above yotsuba level, but tomo-chan is nice
it's probably what i would call my first real reading material
all low res jpegs though so idk if it's exactly what you are looking for

also might be intimidating since there's some exposition

>>18489095
>using ocr for words
It's not too bad using radical look up or drawing it on translate.google... plus you could always find one that has furigana.

>>18489095
get a paper back kanji dict and do it the way god intended

>>18489114
>tomo-chan
This makes me wish there was a Daria manga.

>>18489134
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-YUwNlb-tY

>>18489115
>>18489123

i started reading at 400 words. it was only possible cause the time to lookup/mine was minimal using yomi.

when you use a different process to look things up that takes at least 10 times as long and requires a bunch of context switching, the reading part becomes so slow that it isn't really worthwhile. would be more worthwhile to just do more vocab at that point probably

>>18489157
well you have to read at some point
vocab and kanji aren't japanese, so any time you spend doing that only goes toward slightly improving your actual reading experience when you start

keep that in mind

>>18489157
or just read something at a lower reading level where you can reinforce positivity by only having a few things be new at a time while actually riding the bike as opposed to slogging through things where almost everything is new and having to constantly put your feet on the ground to regain balance to pedal once on your bike and reinforcing the type of negativity that results in your post

>>18489179
well yeah, that's why I'm looking around for potential stuff

I read everything on bilingualmanga already for example. my point wasn't to be negative, just to explain that manual kanji lookup makes more sense when you only need to do a lookup once every few minutes instead of every 10 seconds

i enjoyed yotsuba with yomi. I probably wouldn't without it-- hence why I was asking around for content around that level that's web based

>>18489175
i do about 2 hours of anki and 2 hours of reading a day

How important is it to memorize wi and we?

I finished Hiragana a little while back and have never encountered them in any practices, got to them now in Katakana and I'm fairly certain I've never seen them in my life.

>>18489222
im sure you can find something on syosetu dude but i dont read bad web novels but i have faith that you can

>>18489232
youre already aware of them thats good enough dont worry about it

>>18489232
Not too important, you will figure them out after a while just by inferring

>>18489222
>i do about 2 hours of anki and 2 hours of reading a day
that's a pretty awful spread
30 mins anki and 3:30 of reading/listening would be a much better way to train using that time
your comprehension will only improve through input and anki isn't input

also, even if you have to do a kanji lookup every 10 seconds it's not a situation you will find yourself in for a very long time
every time you look something up you're learning it, or at least you should be, by dedicating mental effort

>>18488623
I tried reading an ero VN called nanairo where you go fuck a bunch of ghosts and I just ended up getting horny at the tease parts and then skipping over to the dirty sections, it wasn't a great tool for learning

>>18486482
Thanks

>>18489280
good old nanarin youtu.be/05X3Z0vY1i4#t=81
its a banger lol

>>18489297
wait back up there buddy

>>18486482
why would you read it like that when 私とは違う clearly comes before 景色を視てるその眼

it's
[私とは違う景色]を視てるその眼

eyes that see a different world than I do

>>18489249
>anki isn't input
Why can I kind of read things?
t. ankidrone

>>18489335
the reason you can read at all is because you memorized some kanji and letters beforehand
this is what anki is good for

the reason you can "kind of" read is because you haven't had enough real input

do nothing but anki and all you'll be able to do is "kind of" read

and good luck listening (笑)

When would you use お腹「おなか」 vs 腹「はら」?

>>18489350
>and good luck listening
Oh, I actually listen to podcasts and drama cd's and shit for an hour each day (half in the morning, half at night). Does that make me not an Ankidrone?
...and the "kind of" is just my lack of confidence that comes with my shitty personality. I was hoping you would reply to me in Japanese or something so I could prove myself.
>>18489370
おなかすいた
はらへた
；）

>>18489249
>every time you look something up you're learning it, or at least you should be, by dedicating mental effort
If you're wasting time searching the same kanji by radicals again and again you'd be much better off just using anki to memorize vocab you're unfamiliar with.

Reading improves your Japanese much, much faster than anki does, but only if you aren't spending all your time looking stuff up (ie, words are either easy look ups thanks to furigana or rikaisama or you know most of them already). I read more advanced stuff before Yotsuba and easy SOLs and in retrospect I'm pretty sure it was sub-optimal.

>>18489370
>>18489375
おなかぺこ
はらぺこ

ちんこ食べたいな

>>18481062
Anybody else find certain kanji sexually attractive? I just came to this one

>>18489370
what do you think
what does お mean?

>>18489375
it's はらへった buddy

>>18489384
why would you search the same kanji again and again

in my case I drew ones I didn't know with my mouse in google or used OCR on scanned LNs
it wasn't really a big deal

>>18489370
腹: 私の腹（はら）があなたのザーメンでいっぱいです！
お腹: あん～、精液がお腹（おなか）に出てるぅぅ！

>>18489399
you bet dude 嬲 im in the middle

Is there a version of clipboard inserter for Chrome? A type of extension that will allow text from ITH to be put onto chrome so I can add the word to Yomichan is kind of what I'm looking for.

>>18489409
that spitroast action

>>18489403
>>18489396
>>18489409

wh-why is everyone so horny today

Can you learn Japanese if you're lazy?

>>18489427
No

>>18489425
im not horny youre horny

>>18489427
absolutely

>>18489427
Work hard, work smart, work often. If you have 2/3 of these, you can learn Japanese.

Does it bother anyone else that you'll never be as good at Japanese as Dogen?

>>18489462
Dogen was an anki baby compared to me

誰か僕の尻を妊娠してください

>>18489462
It bothers me more that I'll never be as good at Japanese as Matt.

Was Quine right about language translation?

>>18489462
It bothers me more that I'll never be as good at Japanese as Ryan Boundless.

>>18489472
just adopt an ajatt lifestyle today and say goodbye to your days spent on flash cards slaving away

>>18489462
it doesnt bother me that ill never be as good at japanese as a literal pant shitting toddler

>>18489480
what did he say about it

How do I find compelling content if my brain's fun receptors are dead and everything is boring?

>>18489524
youll find it when you least expect it
the harder you try the sadder youll get

>>18489524
Have you tried suicide?

>>18489530
nah man we dont need none of that

>目の前に起こっている状況が信じられそうにありません
Is this essentially, "I can't believe the state of things occurring before my very eyes"?

>>18489548
Yes

>>18489249
>anki isn't input
Its is input, stop spreading lies

>>18489548
sure but maybe a good topic of discussion is how you could say 信じられそうにありません other ways to really get at some nuance for the peeps lol

Does anybody else get a headache after several days of uninterrupted reading?

>>18489566
More like few hours of uninterrupted reading.

no, you have a brain tumor

no one has a brain tumor everyone heres healthy and physically fit/attractive

>>18489553
no it fucking isn't

even ironically this kind of post does not belong here

speak again and i'll call the language cops on you

>>18489584
cool what is it then

>>18489590
it's like looking at pictures of food when you're hungry

language cops called

I often see verbs with katakana stems and hiragana okurigana. Sometimes I look them up and they have a dictionary entry in Jisho, often they do not.

Can anybody explain this? Is the stem written in katakana to indicate some slang way of saying a common verb?

hello language cop here what seems to be the toloveru

>>18484704
just buy the volumes you dirty fucking pirate
manga artists starve to make their dream a reality and you so callously download it? unbelievable

>>18489606
Mostly a stylistic choice. It's easier to read if the stem of the word (which can also be written in kanji) is written in katakana instead of hiragana. It's often used for words that can be written with uncommon/obsolete kanji, but instead it's usually written with kana instead.
It can also be used to emphasize a word.

>>18489606
>Is the stem written in katakana to indicate some slang way of saying a common verb?
sometimes

it's one of: slang, used to be slang, or just like when you write any other word in katakana instead of hiragana/kanji

大変申し訳ありませんがフラッシュカードでのお支払いは不可能です

>>18489636
maybe youve heard of the term "starving artist"
they know what theyre getting into when they go down that road
its not about the money but how they feel making their art or in other words they are living their life

>>18489653
だったらこれはどうだ＊unzips ちんこ＊

>>18487087
That's what I do, but worth noting it makes it more difficult to mine words since you can't directly add a word to anki from there.

A notepad file and autohotkey can make that process pretty simple though. I end each session with a text file filled with:
>Sentence it came from
>Unknown word
So spend 5 minutes adding them all to anki afterwards.

>>18489672
まんこのみとなっております

>>18489603
>食物比喩

I'm about to send this message to a Japanese qt I met online. Spell/grammar check please?

no, fuck off

>>18489690
you ever just feel the laugh well up and right before it comes out it just stops dead cold

>>18489690
I wouldn't worry about it because she probably isn't going to reply to you anyway.

>>18489690
Needs more emoji

>>18489690
oui oui bonjour pédé

うんこ隊全員出撃だ

Does anyone know of any studies at all that support passive listening/listening to shit you don't understand?

>>18489806
Yes, watch 10k hours of English subbed anime.

science results relies on concrete input data, of which language testing is not
any studies you find are mostly good guesses, ultimately its up to you what to do with your time

>>18484704
Any examples of this?

>>18489806
no but i know of research that support the idea that listening to shit you don't understand is not very helpful
http://www.academypublication.com/issues/past/tpls/vol02/03/21.pdf

>>18489857
i know all your posts are pulled out of your ass but i'll take the time anyway for the sake of impressionable people
you can still get empirical data that informs theories in fields like language learning, "good guesses" is really underselling it

>>18489690
Why do your kanji look like they are a different font from the kanas?

>>18489680
>but worth noting it makes it more difficult to mine words since you can't directly add a word to anki from there.
Why is that?

>>18489806
If you have something like English translations to read while listening to it, yes it helps. As for how much it helps, nobody knows

>>18489948
>inb4 ten thousand hours anime guy

>>18489948
>>18489990
its not helpful depending on your goals but its entirely possible to learn and recognize instinctively all the sounds of japanese but not know the words exactly as a byproduct of watching english subtitled anime streamed exclusively on crunchyroll which still can serve a person well once they begin educating themself
its not time efficient but if you werent trying to learn while streaming all that anime only available on crunchyroll then its a nice bonus for later

>>18489960
you trippin home boy

>>18489964
I'm assuming people have anki installed on their regular machine/operating system. Playing games on a virtual machine means you can't directly add words from there to the anki install on your main machine

>>18490003
post more copouts

>>18489990
No I misunderstood the question, watching subbed anime isn't "shit you don't understand" because the subs make you understand.
It's not just one person who posts about 10k hours of anime.

>>18490007
Huh?

>>18490000
>you trippin home boy
No he's not; if you don't notice it, then you are.

jesus are VN's always slow in the beginning? first time reading anything and it feels like such a slog right now

>>18490054
>are VN's always slow
Yes

>>18490051
I feel dumb after trying to figure out what this 四字熟語(not) means.

>>18490051
those are the same

>>18490051
i thought we were comparing kanjis to kanas tho

>>18490074
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>>18490089
We are -- I have a feeling that his 'kanji' are coming from a Chinese font.

>>18490089
The kana are a Japanese font while the kanji are a Chinese font

I hope you like learning Chinese instead of Japanese

>>18490054
Everything's slow when you're reading a tenth the speed of a native speaker.

>>18489462
there's no reason why you can't be

>>18490108
Many of the top characters are valid stylistic variations of the bottom characters. The only one that you can use as a test to see whether it's a chinese font or not is 直.

I expected the second Japanese kanji to be 今 instead of 令. It looks much closer to the Chinese one.

>>18490108
>>18490113
so then no matter if its chinese or japanese its still a different font from the kanas
then that means he was right but not because of the stuff you guys are saiyan

>>18490120
a tenth is too generous since theres people reading 1 light novel page per hour out there going down the nihongo usagi hole

>>18489553
>>18489584
anki only really counts as input if you're doing sentences with J-J definitions which no one in this thread does

>>18490137
That's not input either.

>>18490131
The chinese one is actually how you handwrite 令 in japanese

>>18490137
it's only input the first time you read the sentence then, which you don't need anki for

>>18490137
>sentences with J-J definitions which no one in this thread does
i'm still here bb

>>18490148
based AJATTer

>>18490148
how many cards between nuts
also stay hydrated so your shit doesnt turn into a sand blaster

>>18490143
>>18490144
>reading something you've read before isn't input
the absolute state of this thread

>>18490159
Once you have begun to memorize something it stops being input because your brain stops processing it the right way.

>>18490157
i jerked off 5 times in like 12 hours a few days ago and got a friction burn on my cock

>>18490153
>AJATTer
Nah, although I do watch anime raw now (even though there are times when I don't understand what's going on).
>>18490157
どう言う意味？
>>18490159
I think he believes that it's possible to memorize thousands of sentences such that you're memorizing the sentences so you don't process them anymore.

>>18490173
>I think he believes that it's possible to memorize thousands of sentences such that you're memorizing the sentences so you don't process them anymore.
Do you know what bible studies are?

>>18490159
you're only going to get so far reading something you've already read
this much is common sense

if you didn't know english and only had this post to learn it how far do you think you would get

>>18490176
a good way to meet GILFs

>>18490178
that's why you don't do anki exclusively. doesn't change the fact that that doing anki reviews with japanese sentences and definitions is still a way of keeping up an albeit limited form of input while doing anki reviews. you don't wind up memorizing literally everything on the card

>>18490185
>that that
o fug :DDDDD do much jabanese made me redarded :DDDDDD

>>18490173
文字通りの意味

>>18490178
本当にたくさん勉強になりましたね英語

>>18490120
>>18490136
it'll speed up eventually, right..?

>>18490208
If it's your first time reading, yeah. The reading speed increase in the first month is pretty dramatic.

>>18490208
Only if you keep doing it and not in an 'illegal' manner

>>18490208
上手になるか決めるのはてめえ次第

>>18490225
illegal? can you explain?

>>18490243
anything that might make me want to call the language cops on you

I do my reps every day. I try to read for at least 30 minutes every day. Despite this, kanji is absolutely not sticking at all. I know there's no miracle method that'll suddenly make my brain able to remember words better, but at the same time I sure thought that it would start sticking more easily after nearly a full year of study. I almost want to just bite the bullet and do RTK, but I always hear bad things about it and it honestly generally just seems like a waste of time. But I'm starting to get really desperate, it hurts pretty bad to have this many leeches.

>>18490278
There will always be kanji that you forget. How many do you remember?
When reading, do you at least remember the common words? After a year of studying, having to look up a word or two per sentence is still acceptable.

Don't underestimate it.

>>18490243
I consider some text parsers(like chiitrans lite) that will group clauses together to be illegal and cheating yourself in learning to parse those on your own
the same goes for reading side by side with a translated version, to check your understanding
You're trying to cultivate a personal japanese understanding, not someone elses, passed through their understanding of english

>>18490309
oh
i use ITH, is that parser fine?