/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Your threadly reminder that kansai-ben is shit.

>>18454229
kansaiben? more like kan-haiben, amirite

>>18454197
worst image

Don´t do your reps

Does anyone else get super frustrated with themselves over anki? I spent about 20 minutes cramming last night and today I did even worse than before, and I have no idea why. It's very annoying think you're going to do well and then you're already 30 cards in and you've missed 20.

What did you guys study today? Lately I've been just mining from watching anime. It's actually pretty effective as long as I don't get too wrapped in what's happening and forget to mine words.

>>18454229
何がクソやねんこのアホ

>>18454297
Your reverse psychology tricks won't work on me.

>>18454471
Eroge.

>>18454505
Don't you find yourself stopping and fapping from time to time? Isn't a distraction?

>>18454471
Loli manga, and ero loli manga.

>>18454517
It's a motivation.

How can I say "as a break"?
I want to say as a break from my homework I took a nap.

宿題の休憩で昼寝しました。
or should I use に instead of で？
or would this be better if i used として？
宿題の休憩として昼寝しました。

AJATT works

>>18454642
REEEEEEEEE

Is there a list of sound effects somewhere?

>>18451138
I bought it full price years ago, same price as it is now. $18 is a bargain for what I got out of it.

Wait what happened to /int/'s djt?

>>18454479
申し訳ないですがあなたの日本語が超下手クソです

>>18454229
Nah

>>18454297
too late

>>18454827
It died constantly because of how active /int/ is as a board. I came here because of that, and I'd imagine other people did as well, making it even harder for it to stay up on that board.

>>18454827
It's still around, I think. It's just really slow and doesn't have many posters, so being on a fast board like /int/ means the threads often die before hitting the bump limit. It feels like a bunch of /int/ posters showed up here lately so maybe they've all abandoned the /int/ threads now and migrated here.

>>18454827
everyone learned japanese and it was retired

Do you guys put example sentences on your mined cards? If so, front or back?

>>18454907
No, because I almost never looked at the example sentences when I was doing core.

>>18454863
For the past few days I've been ctrl+fing djt in /int/ and kept getting no results...Ok I just checked the archive and you're right the threads died so much faster than usual now. Only 10 replies in the last thread.

>>18454907
I dunno, I never used Anki.

>>18454907
No.

>>18454969
Congratulations.

>>18454827
>>>/int/85930740

I'm already 3 weeks deep in Anki core 2k/6k, but have yet to complete Heisig/Koohii and haven't even looked at Tae Kim's grammar guide.

I'm not in any hurry to read stuff, but somehow it feels like I fucked up somewhere but can't stop Anki now or else all these days of learning will go to waste.

What should I do?

>>18455161
What are you waiting for? Start reading Tae Kim.

>>18455161
>can't stop Anki
Why would you need to stop Anki to do other things? It shouldn't take more than an hour a day for vocab cards alone.

>>85933003
>>18455161
Why would make the same comment in two different threads?
>>18455184
Anon obviously can't multi task his learning

Why is it so hard to find japanese books even if they are 100+ years old? Maybe I'm doing something wrong, can someone find 黒潮 in modern kana for me? I don't care about kanjis.

>>18455161
>yet to complete Heisig/Koohii and haven't even looked at Tae Kim's grammar guide.
>but can't stop Anki

>>18455245
>黒潮
Who is the author?

>>18454861
Why don't you go back there? We don't need more of your little unwanted kind around here.

>>18454408
No.
How long have you been using it? How many cards are you learning+reviewing per day? Are you studying drunk?

>>18455339
His pseudonym is 徳冨 蘆花

Tae kim has a god tier grammar guide but he hates studying kanji by themselves and knew only 500+ off by heart right? But he has an large vocab developed over 9+ years that includes kanji that he doesn't know off by heart but part of a compound word If I go by his comments on the learn kanji page.

Im pretty sure there are people who learned faster just by tackling the kanji early on learn vocab way faster in like 2 years and I remember him admitting this.

What are your thoughts on this because im quite interested.

>>18455245
http://piyobook.com/book/chapter/3231/

>>18455377
>a god tier grammar guide
Your expectations have just been lowered by how shit everything else is.

>But he has an large vocab developed over 9+ years
If you don't after that long, you're really fucking up.

>learn vocab way faster in like 2 years and I remember him admitting this.
Unless I'm misunderstanding, it should never take you 2 years to finish the tackling kanji part.

>What are your thoughts on this
It is easier to make associations to existing knowledge than to acquire new knowledge. It is easier to learn to recognize words when you have some experience with identifying the kanji in it. It is easier to learn to read words when you have some experience with the kanji readings within it. It is easier to learn the meanings of words when their meanings aren't nonsensical bullshit and have some relation with other words that you've learned using the same kanji.
The question is, is putting timesinks up-front worth potentially speeding up later study? I wouldn't presume to know. I am, however, attempting to incorporate this idea into my own study, so I'll have a better opinion if it felt worth it in a year.

>>18455348
I thought we already established why I don't go back there. The thread is never up, remember? I browsed /jp/ for years before DJT was taken off of /a/, there's no need to be upset.

Why is 'wolf' written as 'オオカミ' and doesn't have it's own kanji?

>>18455698
it does

>>18455698
狼？

>>18455377
>But he has an large vocab developed over 9+ years that includes kanji that he doesn't know off by heart but part of a compound word If I go by his comments on the learn kanji page.
To provide a little added perspective, Tae Kim learned Japanese in a time before all the best digital tools we have were available. Tae Kim registered his www.guidetojapanese.org domain back in 2005 and the earliest snapshot contains a full guide in June of that year.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050604002215/http://www.guidetojapanese.org:80/
The earliest reference of the Anki SRS dates back to 2006, after Kim had learned Japanese. He also learned Japanese before text hooking tools existed, before Japanese ebooks were a thing, etc. SuperMemo was around but it wasn't free and it wasn't up until around 2006 when it started to properly support Japanese.
It was a different time and while kanji dictionaries and learning books existed, it wasn't remotely as easy as isolating aspects of them and learning how to physically write thousands of kanji just by spending a handful of minutes a day with an Anki deck. A learner now can easily decide to dedicate and extra 15 to 20 minutes of their day for a couple of years and be able to physically reproduce any of the characters they read.

As for the decision to do or not to do and any positives or negative thereof, no further comment. There are a million of these discussions archived online and my thoughts are that if you are personally interested, try using relevant keywords in any of the 4chan archives for /jp/, /int/ or /a/.

>>18455698
The kanji for wolf is 幼女.

>>18454615
で/に/として
ぜんぶOK

Man, this is some bullshit. My listening score literally stayed the same even after a year of practice.

>>18455874
What keywords should I use anon, Also thank you for providing the insight!

How do you format your ANKI cards?
I have three types:

1. Written Japanese // English translation
2. Japanese audio // English translation
3. Written Japanese // Japanese audio

I don't plan on going to Japan, but being certain of the pronunciation of words lets me read faster

>>18455999
Written Japanese // English translation // Furigana

>>18454408
Yes. I have a feeling that I'm not really learning the kanji, and I'm only learning them in the context of the app, ex. if I see む after a kanji, I'll know it's nomu or yomu only because that's the particular one we're reviewing today.

>>18456068
you can cheat in the short term but youll recognize the kanji eventually

Lately i've been feeling a bit more motivated than usual but I have this sense of dread for some reason that in 5 or so years I won't be where I want to be. Has anyone else felt this way? What did you do about it? I try to spend about 3 hours a day studying, but even so i'm worried I won't be able to do all the things I want to in a few years.

>>18456120
The best thing to get rid of that feeling is to stop thinking about the future. Just feel content knowing that you'll improve gradually.

>>18455971
How do I get good at grammar?

>>18456145
Read DOJG cover to cover and do the deck.

>>18456120
Don't worry about it, and you'll probably be even further than you want to be in 5 years

>>18455999
f:比類のない
皇帝の三女　ビニャ・コラーダは、腰掛けて微笑んでさえいれば、___芸術品とも言われるほどの容姿を持っている。
b:比類のない
ひるいのない
(adj-i) peerless.
皇帝の三女　ビニャ・コラーダは、腰掛けて微笑んでさえいれば、___芸術品とも言われるほどの容姿を持っている。

>>18456068
>>18456106
This. When you add more words with the same okurigana, you might fail the old words when you come back to them, but then you'll learn them better that time around. It's fine.

>>18455999

Written Japanese // Japanese dictionary definition

>>18456120
Give yourself high expectations to push yourself to do more than you know you can, but don't care about failing to meet them. You should challenge yourself to do better, but not beat yourself up over not doing enough. The former is productive, the latter is not.

>>18455971
A year of practicing listening?

>>18456396
I specifically tried to get better at listening. I did an anki deck with just audio on the front and I watched all my anime without subtitles and even regular japanese tv with fujitv. I just seemed to have hit a wall.

おはようおにいちゃん

できることをしたい

>>18456462
Did you just not bother trying to understand what was being said?

Listening should improve relatively quick if you spend time on it, but you have to make sense of it. Anki doesn't matter but maybe you should watch more TV.

Go back through the archives on stuff like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcZ9Bo5jBT8

>>18454197
How do I get into writing? And I don't care if it's pointless, I want to learn it. Surely there's a more efficient way than just re-writing everything from Anki

>>18456566
write more

>>18456566
Are you talking about recalling kanji to be able write, or having good handwriting? For the former, you're probably not going to get better than anki scheduling. For the latter, maybe import a ペン字 book, I haven't done so so I have no suggestions there (but it's something I've been thinking about doing in the future).

>>18456679
Just being able to write. I think my handwriting is fine enough since you just follow the stroke order

this seems like an interesting thread but i cringe really hard whenever i see wa instead of ha, or sempai instead of senpai under the excuse that the sound is the same

>>18457597
liked and subscribed, i'll be sure to tell my friends

>>18457597
Well I cringe really hard when dekinais act like they're smarter and better at Japanese than they really are.

Why do japanese people insist on talking so fast in their entertainment media?

>>18457597
this is a really interesting post but romaji is always shit and you look like an idiot when you voice your preferred flavor of shit or pretend that one method of shit production is officially correct.

>>18457967
But they talk nice and slow in entertainment media all the time.

Is there a single shop that sells good quality digital manga.

>>18458092
https://books.rakuten.co.jp/e-book/

Learn japanese to survive Hiragana battle have been a great tool to learn some kana. But i find myself abusing the structure of the "Answer list" ,which means that i'm able to find the correct answer without necessarily knowing the correct kana. I'm usually fine as long as i know one from the same family.

Did anyone else who played it experience this?

>>18458171
Are their previews representative?

>>18458199
If you need a shitty video game to motivate you to learn kana, you're going to have a hell of a time learning kanji and understanding the actual language.

>>18458199
Stop doing that. Hiragana can be learned in a few days. You're wasting time by playing an RPG that's 10% of actual language learning and 90% of messing around with RPG mechanics and walking around the world.

>>18458265
Well, hiragana is the hard and boring part where you just have to grind. Then it becomes easy once you learned the letters and can start reading and having fun.

>>18458280
what fun?

>>18458280
I'm having a hard time understanding your thought process here.
Did you not get the memo on kanji or something?

>>18458265
>>18458266
But i'm having FUN and i have been learning. Just not as fast as i probably could have. It also isnt the only tool that i'm using to learn. I'm in no rush.

>>18458295
Yes, that's what hiragana and katakana are called together, right?

>>18458280
>hiragana is the hard and boring part
No.
>where you just have to grind
Study kana for no more than 2 weeks, the rest comes from reading, you could put 2 months into it and you'll still make mistakes until you read.
>Then it becomes easy once you learned the letters
No.
>and can start reading
Barely.
>and having fun.
That comes much later.

>>18458301
>It also isnt the only tool that i'm using to learn.
Please do let us know what other gimmicks you've fallen for.

>>18458357
well im here in \djt\ does that count

>>18458171
I'm not sure since I can't find anything I've bought which has a preview page available.
That said, I did come across a preview for ハミングガール. I viewed the image itself outside of the web viewer and compared it to a copy of the manga which I downloaded.
My personal experience is that everything purchased thus far that has been more expensive than the cheapest 400 and 500 yen brackets have been decent to high quality, like pic related. The only time a digital version has been poor is when it was a cheap series from a monthly/weekly type shounen magazine and not handled by Book Walker.

I've love to collate some more examples of preview vs epub version but not really in a position to buy a handful of volumes for the experiment.

>>18458756
Sorry, wrong post >>18458216

いけないんです

this is a double negative right? do people talk like this a lot?

>>18458817
いけないんです isn't a double negative, no
if you're talking about the conditional ～じゃないといけない
then yeah, people do talk like that a lot
it's how people say something needs to be done in japanese, they convey the idea that "if it doesn't happen, it's bad"

他のレストランの方がいいましれません
I understand that this means "other restaurants may be better", but what is the の方 part signifying? Is it literally just "other restaurants in (other) directions" or am I reading this wrong?

>>18458817
だめよ

いけませんわ

>>18456145
Gramamr is by far the easiest part of Japanese, and as long as you don't isolate yourself from reading material or grammar resources, you will basically know everything "fundamental" that you need to know after two years of consistent study. Everything after that point is just the meanings of particular idiomatic constructions and so on.

>>18458306

>>18458817
To add to what anon explained, you will likely start noticing that characters and people will use a negative like ではない・じゃない or a negative verb form and end the statement with it being followed to と. In this instance, it will most likely be the same thing, contracted. That is: 物知りじゃないと being used to mean 物知りじゃないといけないんです
These "if not then wont"/conditional type statements are used heavily in speech.
Ah, another point is that there are times when a clause or statements ends with と but isn't followed by this negative pattern. Sometimes this is short for と思う. This contracted と structure often follows the pattern of ~だと and volitional form of verb+と. In context it is easy to differentiate but can be a stumbling block if you aren't already aware of what is being omitted.

>>18458905
Easiest compared to kanji, or is it actually objectively easy?

>>18458959
I learned Japanese grammar without actually studying Japanese.

All my kanji mnemonics are so sexual I get a boner whenever I do Anki.

Not sure if awesome or terrible, but need to fap now

>>18458980
I think "comprehensive input" counts as studying, otherwise none of what people call studying is actually teaching you the language

You can't really separate a language into easier and harder parts, that doesn't make any sense

>>18459036
Do you count skimming untranslated doujinshi once a week while masturbating "input"?

>>18458894
It does not mean physical direction. It abstractly means "the way of x". Like "the way of other restaurants is better". The definition of 'way' here being "a method, style, or manner of doing something".

Hope this is understandable.

>>18459116
Also here's the first site I found with a google search with example sentences. It's a common speech pattern.

すていつ銃規制するってほんと？

銃文化はもうじゅうぶんか

なんつって

>>18459141
http://www.tanos.co.uk/jlpt/skills/grammar/sentences/?grammarid=569

>>18459051
>skimming
No, but if that's all you've done until now then I can't imagine you can read an actual book easily, and never have, so why do you say you know grammar?

>>18459171
That started three years ago. I started reading (and thus "studying seriously") a year ago, but at that time I already knew all the fundamentals of grammar just from the occasional porn.

>>18459116
>>18459141
>>18459151
okay, that makes a lot more sense than how i was thinking about it. i'll check out that site, too. thanks anon-san.

>>18459176
Sounds like you're bending your words a lot here to make a questionable point.

>>18459244
I dunno, you can consider porn studying if you want, I just didn't treat it that way at all.

>>18459249
I'm more talking about what exactly you did, what you consider the "fundamentals" of grammar to be, what you consider "grammar" exactly to be

Maybe what you did was studying, I mean when I look at doujins I literally just jack off to the pictures, there's almost zero "comprehensible" input going on there

Are there any decent books in Japanese for improving your writing? I'm already more or less capable of reading whatever I want, but that doesn't translate all that well to something active like writing.

>>18459176
Knowing the fundamentals is far from good, though. Getting good enough at grammar that you stop making mistakes (even in interpretation) requires as much time as vocabulary.

>>18459293
>writing
why

そと

はるの

においがする

>>18459334
ここはまだ真冬みたいに寒い

>>18458301
>>18458199
出
来
な
い

>>18459271
Not him but I don't consider watching anime studying and I never needed to study grammar after 10000 hours of anime

>>18459365
道が氷に埋まりましてのに他の人の運転は早すぎる。アホ運転者にたいしてしょうがないね。

「私が飛び翔たうとした罪の懲罰に？」

「翔たう」ってどういう読みだろうか。最初「かけとう」と思ったけど、「翔る」の意向形活用は「かけろう《かけらう》」で、「翔る」ではなくて別な動詞かなと思い始めたが．．．まあ、旧仮名遣いはきついなぁ。

三島由紀夫の「太陽と鉄」より、「イカロス」という章だ。

>>18459409
I'd guess 飛び立つ.

>>18459409
＞～たう

what does this do?

>>18459394
No shit, me too but that's exactly why I think anime falls under "studying"

>>18459460
It's old kana usage, same as とう

>>18459478
I'd say it's only studying if you are doing it with the goal of learning something, otherwise almost everything you ever do is studying and the word loses it's purpose

>>18459520
>almost everything you ever do is studying and the word loses it's purpose

日本語を学ぶと
日本語を使い

同じことでしょう

>>18459365
はるがくると

くうきが

たいようのにおいしない。しなくない？

>>18458988
I think you need to back up such a claim with examples, I'm curious.

Anyone know any good Kansaiben Anime, manga, books, vn, etc?

>>18456249
Why is Natsumi the perfect wife?

>>18459605
きさらぎに

はかないみぞれ

空に舞う

>>18459394
You've already admitted to doing a lot more than just watching anime, finfag. For someone who repeatedly claims to know Japanese you sure spend a lot of times in these threads. Is it an attention seeking thing?

>>18459315
Yeah writing is such a meme lol

>>18459315
Muscle memory. I learn and memorize things way better when I physically write them down, rather than just typing.

Why do nips often replace the る in ru verbs with て?
Example: 食べる -> 食べて
What's the difference?

>>18459754
Learn basic grammar.

>>18459758
I am but I couldn't find anything about it other than the て particle which seems unrelated.
I'm using Tae Kim as a grammar guide and I don't think he's covered it yet, I'm up to adverbs.
Will he cover it eventually?

>>18459720
I never had to read a grammar guide ever since I started using the language so for the most part it's all from anime. I like shitposting and have djt open all the time so when I'm bored I read what people post here and sometimes reply

>>18459718
とけぬおもひを

むねにひめつゝ

>>18459770
>Why is it that sometimes people say "to study" but then other times people say "study you fucking idiot"?

>>18459770
Are you a fucking clown, read the whole thing before asking questions

>>18459754
>the て particle which seems unrelated
Not unrelated, that's exactly what it is, a conjunction particle て(で)

>>18459751
Sorry I don't know any books, but have you heard of Kanji Alive? If nothing else, it shows you the stroke order.

https://app.kanjialive.com/search

>>18459691
Not exclusively 関西弁, but two of the main characters in ラブひな speak it.

>>18459880
>Not unrelated, that's exactly what it is
>"indicates continuing action"
I don't think so.
That doesn't fit how it's used. When they replace る with て they're telling you to do it, which doesn't fit the description of "indicates continuing action". It's more like they're telling you to start the action.

Why don't we have our own copy of tae kim like we do for genki?

>>18459315
Because shitposting on twitter and not sounding like a retarded gaijin is fun.

>>18459751
I'm talking about improving your actual sentence composition skills and cutting off the unnecessary fluff that you're prone to do when you're not confident enough with writing in the language - Not actually handwriting kanji.

>>18459920
せやかて工藤

>>18459924
Like I said read the whole thing and come back you fucker
You're at an acceptable level to be discussing or asking anything here yet
All the knowledge you're missing is still at the surface

Also that's the same て, when it's used to form a imperative it's just an abbreviation of ～てください

>>18459959
You're at an acceptable level
*You're not

>>18459691
Someone mentioned いなり、こんこん、恋いろは a while ago

>>18459880
Particles are not part of a conjugation, anon. Don't mix up grammar terms.
Conjugation means modifying a word, the te-form is one of such conjugations.
The te particle on the other hand is for quotation.

I'm almost two months in and am starting to think I can't learn Japanese. Kana were super easy and a big confidence builder, grammar isn't actually that difficult, but kanji and vocab are fucking me in the ass so hard. How am I supposed to remember any of this? I'm at 400 kanji in KKLC and am having trouble remembering them. I'm around 600 words into core2k and am also having a lot of trouble remembering anything. Brute force clearly doesn't work and mnemonics are worthless. I either remember the story but have no idea what the word actually is or I forget the story completely. Either way, I don't remember the word.

okay, is there any difference in reading
家 as ie or uchi?
what word would actually be used for house?

>>18460051
post anki stats

>>18459725
I didn't say that, I asked why

>>18460051
You typed all that in english.
There is nothing wrong with your ability to remember abstract information.

>>18460069
I'm using memrise since it's too easy to cheat with anki. I wrote a tool to import anki decks to memrise so it's the same cards.

>>18460051
reduce new words do some repetition.
after finishing your daily new stuff do atleast one repetition of everything you did allready.
that way you should be back on track soon.
then increase you words again to 20 and keep doing one extra round after finishing your daily stuff

>feeling comfortable with the kana
>start kanji
>the number 4 has 5 readings
>the word below has 12 readings
is learning japanese actually possible?

>>18460062
いえ is used for a house in general, うち for your own home.
And then you have や for profession, [name]+け for family/residence, and what else.

>>18460082
>I'm using memrise since it's too easy to cheat with anki.
>too easy to cheat with anki
my mind is full of fuck

>>18460080
How does the fact that I know my native language have anything to do with my struggle to learn Japanese?

>>18460087
You're not supposed to learn a list of readings like that.

>>18460087
>is learning japanese actually possible?
Yes

>>18460095
On anki I can say I know the word if I was "close" whereas on memrise I either get it right or I don't

>>18460083
What's the best way to do reps?
Review forgotten cards? o

>>18460105
How am I supposed to learn?

>>18460109
what the fuck are you defining 'close' as in your head
you either get it or you don't

>>18460087
>kanji
>the word below
Kanji are not words.

>>18460114
Do anki until you want to die and literally never read

>>18460087
most of them are not realy needed.
you will read 4 as shi/yon as yoka if you want to say 4th day and the rest is counting other shit.
japanese has a lot of counting methodes don't worry about them. learn the number / days / -tsu form.
>>18460092
oh, thanks... that coult actually have been a problem in the future.
your house is mine now.
>>18460096
your brain is capable of using a language. learning language takes time. just rember how long it took you to learn your first language.

>>18460116
I'm talking about shit like "oh that word's easy I totally knew it" or "it was on the tip of my tongue I obviously know this one"

When do I start reading? What do I start reading with?

>>18460051
Just start reading something straightforward and learn words that way. After a few months you get used to it, need to look up less and the process feels a lot more natural.

>>18460135
You should have started reading already.

>>18460127
'tip of my tongue' is not getting it. Fail it and move on?
anki has infinite patience to show you that word again.

>>18460127
If you're actually prone to self sabotage like that then maybe that's a part of the reason why you aren't learning shit. Why do you have to make things more difficult when you could just be honest with yourself?

>>18460127
Are you using SRS or is SRS using you? Answer truthfully if you want to use SRS. Lie if you are trying to inflate your stats for the day and fuck yourself over later. You don't need a shitty webapp that I presume makes you type in answers or some unnecessary bullshit to keep you honest. You need to want to fucking learn.

>>18460096
You've surmised your struggle as memory problems yet presented evidence that contradicts it.

>>18460092
it's read か when it's a profession doofus
like 漫画家
や is 屋

>>18460126
also remember ち for "X's house" like 俺ん家 or 小林さん家
though anything related to うち is likely to be kana or have yomigana

>>18460105
it's the core6k order.

>>18460114
it will work out eventually if you trust the system

>>18460082
i dont wanna psychoanalyze or anything but this comment is really suggestive man

>>18460147
>>18460149
Because I have low self-esteem and feel like shit when I get easy words wrong, I need someone or something to force me to be honest. I just want to learn Japanese.

>>18460158
Can you explain this?

>>18460157
As I said in a previous post, I do really want to learn Japanese but have other issues that make it hard to be honest with myself about these things. That's why I prefer a system where it forces me to either be right or wrong and doesn't let me grade myself.

>>18459691
Lovely Complex is the only one I know of.

>>18460168
>feel like shit when I get easy words wrong
Don't let SRS use you. It is a tool. You aren't turning in your report to a teacher. No one gives a shit if your retention is bad.

>I need someone or something to force me to be honest
Not gonna make it like this.

>>18460168
This isn't a problem with Japanese, or a problem with Anki. Just because you can't hit a nail doesn't mean a hammer is a bad tool. You just have to figure out what works for you.

>>18460168
'easy words' nigga please
you're obviously rushing, chill the fuck out
there is no judgments when you get something wrong, why do you think you even installed anki to begin with? because you admitted to knowing nothing
whats wrong with admitting that?

Hey guys, as you can see my reviews have become very manageable after just a few days!

I would also like to inform you I have devised a new way to learn Kanji that is actually useful and sustainable! I will announce start of sales here first, so watch out for it. Thank you all.

>>18460222
Please don't bait the insane shillhunter for the sake of the thread, it's been an okay thread, you wouldn't want something bad to happen to the thread would you?

>>18460180
it really bothers me that you are aware of this flaw of yours and just accept it as some innate quality

how hard is it to just not do something lol. my god.

be realistic with yourself for a second: you think not lying inj a meme flashcard program is too hard but you want to go through the effort of learning another language (N1 median study time is 4000 hours)?

>>18460222
i applaud the week long buildup for this

>>18460180
>Can you explain this?
Sure. You believe english is somehow special and doesn't require memory to store it.
That is a mistake. The same process that helped you learn it is still functioning, and it will work on any new language.

>>18460246
>how hard is it to just not do something lol. my god.
I don't think you understand how autism works. I mean real autism, not 4chan "autism"

>>18460214
Is there even any point to going back to Anki now when I already have hundreds of cards going in memrise?

>>18460222
Excellent, I look forward to adding its name to the filters with all the rest. Good luck!

>>18459982
>>18459920
>>18460202

ありがとーさん！(*´︶`*)

>>18460257
"going back to"? just go to anki, give it a couple houndrer new cards and click through them.
good exercise for you and now you have an anki.
>>18460162
小林さん家
would spell 家 as -ち?
because jisho.org gives me -ka
couldn't we just use 小林氏の家?
sorry if I sound stupied, I am not that far into jap myself.
>>18460111
yes, review as many cards as necessary, If you need to kill some time just enter the max number for days.

>>18460307
んち is an contraction of のうち
～さんのうち gets condensed to さんち

how many new cards is recommended to study each day in anki? 20?

>>18460382
I did 2000 in one day and got straight to reading

>>18460391
>I did 2000 in one day
How is that even possible

>>18460396
that was obviously a joke

>>18460398
o-oh

>>18460335
Oh, thank you. have this gif of my waifu as a sign of my gratitude.
>>18460382
start with as many as you can manage, if you have the time to do a daily shedule and do some reps afterwards ( review forgotten cards) 20 cards will be easy or just right. don't take too much cards on, instead of taking more then 20 cards a day I would rather review the learned ones.

>>18460382
20 is fine
if you think like its too easy to start with, wait a while for the reviews to pile up.

clearly what you should do is ignore the purpose of SRS and spend 3 days adding the entire catalog of cards to your study list so you can then set aside an hour every day for all of the foreseeable future to review hundreds of cards with a crummy retention rate

>tfw can't even manage 10 new cards a day

>>18460398
No, there was one guy a couple days ago who posted his stats. He really did do 2k in a day.

>>18460396
Maybe not one day but one week is doable
>>18460222

>>18460451
I wonder how much he actually gets out of it.

>>18460449
I feel you; some of us are just slaves to the man with minimal free time. Now that I'm only working 48 hours a week, I'm trying to get back into at least introducing 15 new cards a day.
Luckily I'm able to listen to a lot of audio in the mornings and evenings which seems to make it easier to remember words I've heard before.

>>18455377
>But he has an large vocab
Why do you have to be so retarded? http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2015/12/10/japanese-study-2015-recap/

>>18460522
you cant fit ankidroid during some deadtime in your life? public transit?

>>18460583
I probably could but I don't feel comfortable using my phone in public/at work... I've actually had Anki on my phone for over a year now but I haven't used it once.

>>18460633
pop in one ear headphoens and get 2 work

What's the spelling of that word they're always saying in anime that means "I'm happy to hear," or "I'm relieved"? Something like yokatta.

Is there a reason the "真剣" in 真剣で私に恋しなさい！is pronounced まじ instead of しんけん other than "because they said so"? I can understand how names can be pronounced however the fuck the want because we spell some names retardedly, but I don't see the point in this case other than to confuse people.

>>18460795
>Is there a reason the "真剣" in 真剣で私に恋しなさい！is pronounced まじ instead of しんけん other than "because they said so"?
No

>I don't see the point in this case other than to confuse people.
It's art

>>18460795
真剣 is always pronounced as しんけん but I think you mean that furigana says まじ? Then just read it as the word まじ, what's written in furigana always has a priority. Did you start reading one day ago?

>>18460727
You're right on the money and it will be pretty obvious in hindsight when you decipher what ancient and rare conjugation of what strange and unusual word that is.

>>18460865

>>18460834
I'm well aware the furigana gets priority. I just noticed today looking back at it that they used 真剣 with the furigana まじ and was confused as to why they didn't just use まじ when they both have "serious" as a meaning. Figured I must be missing out on a pun or something.

>>18460881
>and was confused as to why they didn't just use まじ when they both have "serious" as a meaning.
Could be something ridiculous and unlikely like distinguishing from 蠱, but more likely they just wanted to use kanji to look more educated/pompous.
Note: I don't know Japanese.

>>18460881
Words written this way can indeed have some connotation when adding furigana but it's also used when the word is "too formal" in everyday speech. I think that's the case.

本気とかいて

マジってよむこともけっこうあるんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>18460913
>Note: I don't know Japanese.
It's ok, we assume that here

>>18460881
super rare case
まじこい is the shortened name of the full title of しんけんで わたしに こい しなさい
so まじこい is NOT really the Furugana, for 私 has no attached hiragana like 真剣、恋

>>18460960
what the fuck are you talking about

the title is read マジでわたしにこいしなさい!

ソ
ン
why japanese people

>>18460995
ガソリン

>>18460960
>まじこい is the shortened form of a title that does not contain ま or じ
お…面白い

>>18460975
>>18460881
i was retarded, sorry
ゲームやったことないけど、ずっと「しんけん」と読むと思ってたよ、そうじゃないと double meaning としてはちょっと苦しい気がするから
公式見たらマジで『マジ』だった

「真面目にしろ」という意味も込められているのでしょう。
つまり「巫山戯るな(フザケルナ)」と言う事でしょう。

What's the difference between an adverb followed by an adjective vs an adjective followed by an adjective?
E.g. すごくでかい vs すごいでかい

>>18461266
Second one is colloquial, basically using the first adjective as an adverb
You see it a lot with すごい and えらい

>>18461291
きみ...すごくえらいじゃない

>>18461193
え？なにそれこわい

>>18460881
そんなこと音楽ではよくある。たとえば「運命」と書いて「さだめ」と、「時代」と書いて「とき」と読むこととかが多い。

意味近いんだな。

>>18461534
もんだいがあるよね

運命とかいて「とき」ってよませるとき

あるよね

「軋む」って歌ってkick she moodって書くとき
あるよね

男と書いて「おんな」と読むことあるだろうかな．．．（怖）

What do you guys plan on doing once you've "made it"?

I've kinda hit all of my major goals years ago. (kanji collecting, VNs, books, manga, job, etc...)

>>18461635
成功するつもりはない。
永遠に出来ぬ人《にんげん》となれば良い。

おなかすいた

ころっけたべたい

>>18461635
酔生夢死

>>18461635

doing my reps right now and i want to tell everybody

>>18462155
承知しました

>>18461635
I'm just enjoying reading all the content I never had access to before.

>>18462155
頑張ってね

>本気と書いて「マジ」と読む
これが広く浸透したのは15年ぐらい前のことだね
日本のコメディアンの岡村隆史という人が、この読み方を作りました。

>>18456988
how would you get into writing in english? do that, but in japanese.

Why is it 少ない, not 少い? That ない really bothers me. What's the logic here?

>>18458280

>>18454197
Why didn't Heisig put pronunciations in the first volume too?

>>18454197
Why didn't Heisig put pronunciations in the first volume too? Also, is the Kangxi radical deck any good? It just seems weird to me. I already remember some kanji better because I'm making up my own radicals, but this'll fuck me up in the long run and I want to correct it now.

>>18462278
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q11148539291

>>18462363
This sounds like a really silly reason but maybe I am just bad. Thanks for the link though.

>>18462327
>making up my own radicals
what

>>18462380
reminds me of "nonplussed"

>>18462327
>I'm making up my own radicals,
Anon...

What is the biggest bestest article on all honorifics and when to use them?

How common is it to know a word, but completely forget it when you see it in a reading? I'm trying to read a VN and i'm parsing through it, i'll notice a word I should have remembered but forgot, and I end up beating myself up over it. Is the only solution to read more?

>>18462441
It's very common, especially if you're still a beginner. Yes, the only solution is more exposure.

>>18462441
IN YOU NOTEBOOK! 50 FUCKING TIMES!!

>>18462327
The point of RTK is to give you a name to know every kanji by, and a way to remember what they look like. Kanji have multiple readings and readings have multiple kanji so learning pronunciations without words is pointless. Just learn words, and remember what kanji they’re “spelled” with.

>>18462453
This. 50 times is not even that much. If you're motivated you can do that in less than 10 minutes.

>>18462441
>How common is it to know a word, but completely forget it when you see it in a reading?
You just didn't "know" the word in the first place. Reading and listening are the only way that these words will really stick.
Also don't beat yourself up over it, it's not like you're losing a lot of time looking something up in a dictionary.

>>18462479
Don't preach your doctrine replying to an ironic post mate

>>18462177
ありがとうございました

>>18462485
Writing has always helped me to memorize kanji I couldn't. Just giving him an advice, mate. Piss off and let him decide.

>>18462385
>>18462433
安い means cheap because it's a woman (a "cheap whore") under a roof, 数 is number because it's two women counting a rice grain, 軽い is a car seeing a woman floating over a grave (or ground, whatever) so she must be pretty light. I think it's still somewhat based on the real radicals but I'm combining some similar ones together in my head or just misreading them. Or maybe I'm just using completely arbitrary mnemonics and calling it my own radicals

>>18462485
Yah but n issue is that its starting to feel like im not really learning, just going through and parsing everything like i was reading a machine translated work

>>18462497
Use a Japanese dictionary.

>>18462497
Don't worry about it, just spend a moment to make sure that you don't know the word before mousing over it. And if you mouse over a known word by mistake it's not a big deal, it happens, just don't do it too often (you shouldn't if you follow the first point).

>>18462525
Yeah I think i'll start taking things a bit slower, at least the initial reading of sentences. Thanks

>>18462496
this is just lolsorandum kanjidamage shit
you might as well use that

>>18462441
>parsing through
i completely forget the definition of the word "parse".
だから辞書を引いたよ、あのんも同じじゃない？

おはよう、ｄｊｔ
今朝はなに食べましょう。
鶏肉か卵かヨーグルトか。今週は今日だけが休む。仕事の残業ひどい。
唯一の暇の日になにするかな・・

>>18462719
>>>/int/

go back there

>>18462719
何も食べず
今日からは
サッカリンの足されたコーヒーのみで
生きてゆこうと思う

>>18462854
だめだ、もうピザに決めた。

I'm looking for something to listen to on my 40 minute daily commute to help with my Japanese. I've been saying in a little vocab bubble and not studying grammar like I should so, while I can recognise words I'm still somewhat of a beginner for the most part. Any ideas? Recommendations for the future are also very my appreciated, particularly if you can give me an idea of when I should tackle them.

>>18462881
I admit I never tried it personally, but I hear japanesepod101 is fairly popular.

>>18462854
しんたま（たまねぎofわせ）のせんぎり

の春サラダがすき

おいしいよ

>>18462881
Ebooks?

>>18462881
pimsleur?

is learning kyoiku kanji like a Japanese kid a good idea?

>>18463204
No

>>18463204
From my experience a good chunk of actually useful kanji starts right after them, I wouldn't recommend it.

Why "Remembering the Kanji" is The Best Way to Learn Kanji by a person who's actually learnt Japanese to native-like level.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgRte6oSoF8

>>18463270
>Why "Remembering the Kanji" is The Best Way to Learn Kanji
It's outdated shit.
> by a person who's actually learnt Japanese to native-like level.
There aren't even proofs. Even though nothing special about it if you study the language for more than 5 years spending a lot of time on it every day and live in japan.

>>18463204
Imitating any standardized education system is a bad idea. They're not efficient or even effective at all in most cases.

How the hell do you get a sense for reading names on site?

>>18463204
They are not systematic neither by frequency of usage nor "complexity" whatever. Japanese system is shit and 常用漢字 together with grade distribution are complete failure that shouldn't be taken into account.

>>18463298
>a lot of time on it every day and live in japan.
what does it have to do with it

>>18463356
Give it time.

>>18463356
when you start remembering stuff in the common pool of kanji used in common names

Kanji in names should be outlawed.

nah theyre aight

>>18463407
Korean is the most logical and elegant writing system. Everything should be written with hangul, English included.

koreans also eat dogs

>>18463566
What's the difference between eating dogs and cows, pigs and deer?

dogs are the only animal that loves people more than people love people

>>18463581
Probably because we don't eat them.

>>18463566
Americans be eating hot dogged

>>18463298
this video makes me angry because it points out the difficulties i face learning purely through context

>>18463270
This video makes me angry because he's giving bad advice that he never did.

Can someone explain how the もあって connects the two sentence fragments here?

>>18463845
it's the particle も plus the て form of ある
what's hard here

its not the ～もあって thats hanging you up its the ~

>>18463868
>>18463882
The latter sentence fragment says that because the land they're practicing on is privately owned, it's fine to let a beginner practice freely. The former fragment says, to use automobile licenses as an example, the law was created. They seem like two unconnected sentences and I can't understand the meaning that the sentence is conveying by connecting them together.

>>18463810
He did RTK and learned through context

>>18463949
He started learning Japanese before he did RTK. He was like a year or two in.

>>18463810
>he's giving bad advice

Explain? He gives detailed reasoning behind every choice. You gonna link me to a pastebin that gives "good" advice with no explanation?

>>18463951
Wrong

>>18463973
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62r8m3JyEwg
Go ahead. Find where he started learning Japanese.

>>18463979
I've seen it. He picks up AJATT then moves to Japan to do highschool.

>>18463986
Wrong.

Does anyone here review ahead in Anki?

its so sick you guys still love that naturally balding 23 year old who kind of knows japanese but is really fucking gay lol

>>18463951
Even if he briefly used a different method before finding the best method, who cares? I started with Genki, doesn't mean I'm gonna recommend it to anyone

>>18464003
Methods have different levels of effectiveness depending on how much subconscious fundamental knowledge you have.

by the way where do i call out conjueror on how fucking shit his seabed tl is my god

>>18464007
You mean like how learning purely through context is a less effective method if you haven't first done RTK :)

>>18463999
I'm naturally balding and jerk off to traps every day, bud.

>>18464018
It has a steeper learning curve but it's impossible to fuck up. Most people I know who did RTK without knowing what learning Japanese was like fucked it up.

>>18464015
his curiouscat

Can Anyone tell me why this sentence is incorrect?
暑いから水を飲みました

>>18464031
It's not.

>>18464042
Fucking Steve-Sensei. Fucking koreans
thanks m8

Can Any1 Tell Me Why This Sentence Is (Not) CorrecT?

暑いので水を飲みました

>>18464048
I mean, it's natural and not incorrect, but some people might not like it, so don't judge their Japanese like that. Here.

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22%E6%9A%91%E3%81%8B%E3%82%89%E6%B0%B4%E3%82%92%E9%A3%B2%E3%81%BF%E3%81%BE%E3%81%97%E3%81%9F%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1

>>18464055
Sorry, typo.
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22%E6%9A%91%E3%81%84%E3%81%8B%E3%82%89%E6%B0%B4%E3%82%92%E9%A3%B2%E3%81%BF%E3%81%BE%E3%81%97%E3%81%9F%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1

>>18464062
ちゃんとリンクを作ってね。

>>18464069
適当なこと言ってちゃんとやめたほうがいいよ！！

>>18463899
>to use automobile licenses as an example, the law was created

The law was modeled on automobile licenses.

>>18464083
俺わ好きにするね

Are audiobooks good for listening comprehension?

>>18464091
Oh my god, this shit suddenly makes perfect sense now. ありがとうアノン。可愛い女の子どうぞ

>>18464114
no you have to watch only bamgumis doramas and nico nico dougas to 覚える the nippongo sempai

>>18464117
i worry about your future

The spoken intonations in Core 2/6k are correct, right? I can make out the intonation when the speaker says just the word, but usually when they give the example sentence I can't really detect it.

>>18464154
dont worry about that shit imho

>>18464177
My goal is to be able to communicate verbally

>>18464154
Almost all of them are. I think I recall maybe one or two that the intonation wasn't what was in the NHK accent dictionary, but I don't think they were really important words.

You can always double check using something like OJAD.

I like Japanese The Manga Way

>>18464154
You can use other sources if you need to.
I use the built-in audio in yomichan.
There's also this site:
https://forvo.com/word/%E3%81%8A%E9%A2%A8%E5%91%82/#ja

>>18464214
those flashcards arent gonna do much in getting you there on that

id probably go with this >>18464114 and exposure to lots of different subject matter in 3d media and then supplementing that with verbally trying to communicate with japanese people on the internet. dont be embarassed you wont die and their english is probably just about as bad as your japanese

if you find time to wanna do the flashcards too thats cool but i think id guarantee you that looking back down the road the flashcards werent what made so much as a dent in getting you there with speaking

>>18464276
also i forgot to mention that you can get away with learning how to ask basic questions to fill vocabulary gaps and such

i think theres information about that specific subject out there so look for it

The most important benchmark in learning Japanese is being able to look at short sentences and commit to memory the words and grammar patterns being used without reading the characters or words one by one.

This is the point where "functional literacy" starts being a thing and the true nature of input starts to be visible. I don't mean being able to identify where word boundaries are and having no difficulty remembering which words are which, I mean just looking at it and having your brain automatically see the shapes of the words and organize them into the information it would get if it were spoken at you.

That's where it all really begins. Until that, your brain really doesn't understand what Japanese actually is, you just have a bunch of cultural markers and personal experiences that point in its general direction.

Any intentional study you do before this point is going to be misguided and you're going to learn more bad habits the more time you spend not consuming input, no matter how careful the methods you use are. This is by far the biggest reason why people are bad at giving advice to each other.

Everyone did very different things before reaching this point, and their experiences are completely unique.

A lot of people switched to different methods of learning intellectual knowledge after they started developing functional literacy, and of course, the new methods they switched to seemed much more efficient.

Some people started out doing pure input, stopped right before they hit functional literacy, and spent months doing things like mining sentences or memorizing frequency lists, and when they came back to input, everything had fallen into place subconsciously because they were already so close.

The most important basic idea - that you want to get to being able to read simple stuff as soon as possible - seems to be accepted pretty much everywhere that people are even close to sane, so why do people pollute the scene with garbage advice that then didn't even do the way they're saying to do it?

It's not ego or attention whoring. They just want to socialize. Their experiences are profound and unique to them, no matter how badly they understand themselves, and they want to bond with like-minded people. This is completely fine, but the way that society works now means that this extends far beyond a close-knit group. Arbitrary ideas spread far, and charlatans who aren't just trying to socialize, they pick up on anything that has a good ring to it.

Of course, the instincts we have to protect us from misinformation aren't developed enough to protect us from stuff like this, so if we go somewhere and see a lot of people with the same ideas, we're going to look for bad markers - prestige and authority - to see how much we trust the ideas these groups of people are sharing. Is this right? What can you do to stop it? How much does it matter? You don't even know who's a charlatan and who's just socializing until you get to know them. It takes a long time, and each individual person has to do it on their own.

What can you take away from this? Learning Japanese takes a long time, and nobody's good at outlining exact steps on how to do it. The core problem is that people expect exactly that: outlined steps. The least you can do is give them the exact outline inside which everything else fits, where you prepare to read as fast as possible, then start reading, with everything else being supplemental with varying levels of personal importance.

But we don't even do that. We can't change anything in the OP because it's not maintained anymore, and whenever beginners ask for advice, they get two kinds of responses: "read more", which they ignore, or "do X arbitrary thing", which they might listen to. Not to mention that, the longer DJT exists, the more people come here that used meme methods and repeat them.

People don't even emphasize how important it is to reach the level where you can automatically parse simple manga panels like picture related without trying. It's ridiculous. If I didn't know better, and didn't recognize enough posting styles to know that there are still a few oldfags around, I'd think that everyone here was at most lower intermediate, just telling other people to do what they did themselves. Heck, for all I know, the oldfags that stuck around never got anywhere, and that's why they're so defensive about how they learned the little they know.

It's been a nice ride. I think I started studying Japanese linguistics three or four years ago, Japanese a year and a half ago. Please remember what I had to say about the main benchmark here. You want to be able to read something like this without trying. Without sounding it out in your head, or intentionally finding word boundaries. Anyone who can't do that, or doesn't think about it, doesn't have the right to tell you how to learn Japanese. They don't have a conscious knowledge of what learning Japanese is like. Take it easy, and don't stop reading.

How many eroge do I need to read to become fluent?

>>18464291
50+

>>18464291
idk i wanna just namedrop conjueror some more but he probably understands the japanese and just sucks at the translating and writing well in english part

i bet after 50 eroge youd still open a childrens book and have your mind blown that you still dont know shit tho

>>18463270
His two main arguments for why you should do RTK are 1) It makes it easier for you initially, and 2) It teaches you to write characters from memory.

In the context of learning the Japanese language as a whole, point 1 ends up being mostly a wash. Spending the amount of time it would take you to do RTK on just learning kanji with vocabulary, you're likely to have built up a fairly similar level of skill as RTK gave you, while also gaining far more practical knowledge. Given that AJATT (and Matt specifically) have you not learning practical skills in Japanese until you have finished RTK, this ends up not being a particularly compelling argument.

The value of the second argument isn't really fought that hard for in his video. It's essentially "if you ever plan on going to Japan it will be inconvenient if you can't write kanji". While this is true, it both assumes that you actually do plan on doing that, which doesn't actually apply to probably the majority of Japanese learners (and almost certainly not Matt's audience). It also completely ignores that it is probably easier (and at the very least, no harder) to learn to write later on if it turns out it will be a valuable skill for you. Actually turning what you learn from RTK in to being able to actually write real Japanese and not just individual characters based on semi-arbitrary keywords will require practice outside of just doing RTK anyway.

>>18464305
>and just sucks at the translating and writing well in english part
He sucks at this part because he's a non-native English speaker. His English is really good when he produces is naturally but he doesn't have the refined monitor that people who speak and read exclusively in English have.

>>18464269
Nothing wrong with that, anon. It's basically just a better Tae Kim. Only real problem with it in comparison is it makes it easy for someone to avoid properly learning the kana early on.

>>18464286
I read your post.

>>18464326
Thank you.

>>18464286
I'm honestly not sure if there's a good reason for me to hang around here any more. It's just a time waster / socializing like you said. The most important thing is to keep working.

>>18464286
i skimmed your giant wall of tripe not really giving a fuck but

>and whenever beginners ask for advice, they get two kinds of responses: "read more", which they ignore, or "do X arbitrary thing", which they might listen to.

its a two way street my tomodachi

if you ask a question that is so broad and so general without taking the time yourself to do realistic goalsetting and targeting specifics you deserve a broad sweeping general answer in return

learn how to learn or see you next time to these parts you shall return

>>18464347
I'm far beyond the level where the quoted statement can apply to myself.

>>18464357
maybe not so much in english though i guess since i wasnt saying 'you' as in you the poster of that post to which i replied

>>18464362
Sorry, the passive aggressiveness made my native English capacity tell me that you were trying to insult me.

>>18464286
Goodbye sakubi. I hope you learn Japanese some day.

>>18464372
I don't know who that is.

>>18464324
Yeah that's actually my only gripe with it so far. It's comfy and easy to follow, even for a brainlet like myself

>>18464369
i figured dude i dont blame u

djt made u like this and i accept everything

i went back and read the rest of your post and i gotta say you wrote too many words for a bad thread series that got exiled from /a/ for sucking far too much ass for far too long

why not just start a discord for people who can give you the type of discussion you want and see if it ends up in you kicking everyone till youre the only one left

things have changed on the [western] net over the past while and i think running a chat room would do more people good than clinging to not-so-anonymous posting in these threads which suffer from all the things you described

i only say this cause i think theres passion there for you

>>18462496
>I'm combining some similar ones together in my head or just misreading them.
This is going to fuck you over. The entire fucking point of learning radicals is to distinguish shit that looks similar, not to conflate them. I hope that you haven't been doing this with shit like 木本末未禾朱天夫夭矢失.

>>18464286
Have you read あっちこっち?
Did you enjoy it?

>>18463986
How do you commit to wasting 3 hours of your life on a video and not even pick up anything that is said? He took Japanese courses at his own high school before he ever tried AJATT. It's also amazing that you can watch that video and come away with the conclusion that AJATT was effective for him, with how long he spent in Japan unable to understand his friend's friends and his teachers.

>>18464506
I tried reading it a long time ago, but I didn't understand anything because there's no furigana. Today I opened up a random page and understood it without trying, which is what prompted my post. I might read it, it seems very cute.

>>18464286
DJT can't teach you Japanese, but it can certainly show you the way. Remember: if there are people here who managed to reach a level of Japanese where they can comfortably consume native media - and there are -, they probably spend most of their free time consuming native media, and not browsing this thread.

>>18464515
you coulda just stopped at its amazing you can watch that video

>>18464377
So what you're saying is that you've been here for a week and decided to write a giant wall of text summarizing your thoughts of your experience? Interesting.

>>18464564
I've been here for like two or three years but okay.

>>18464535
there are those that can comfortably consume but not everyones digestive and metabolic systems work the same leading to very different results based on the individual

>>18464564
the irony of this post lmao

>>18464521
There are all seven volumes thus far on the mokuroku.neocities page and probably another year before the next one drops. I've had read the first volume but then a couple of series had new releases and I stopped reading and ended up forgetting about it until you posted that image. Backlogs, man.
Tumiki is damn cute.

>>18464515
>He took Japanese courses at his own high school before he ever tried AJATT.

Yeah, so like I said: he didn't learn any Japanese before AJATT

>>18464617
My backlog is full of that kind of series, but it's been that way for a while because if I read/watch too much of this stuff in a short timeframe it kinda just blurs together, even though I love it.

>>18464291
Define fluency and define reading.

>>18464704
知らん漢字ばっかりじゃんと言わないこととか

>>18463270
I really want a brush pen now. I'm sure my kanji would still look like shit though.

>>18464810
I bought a cheapass shitty brush pen. Can confirm, looks like shit. It seems you need to put practice into how to draw each type of stroke.

>>18463270
I hope no one ever takes his advice. Can you imagine spending 3 months of learning to write kanji and listening to Japanese audio before you have learned any grammar or vocab? I think you would have to be LITERALLY autistic to be able to do that.

>>18454479
............ Yo ro... n ko no......

That's all I can recognize.

>>18465232
there's not a single yo or ro

>>18465167
I'm glad I was autistic enough to do that. I'm 100% sure going through Tae Kims guide wouldn't be as much fun if I hadn't spent the 3 months on RTK.

>>18465237
Yeah. Exactly. That was just a test. Good catch. Now I know you're not a normie-fag.

>>18465259
君と僕が同じだ。天才です。偉いな俺たち。

>>18464331
I just skim the thread every once in a while between small Anki breaks, then go back to it, and once I'm done in an hour or an hour and half I just go play games or read something instead.

I'm sort of worried I'm consuming too much media with words I don't recognize, but I'm at the point where I can deliver the overall meaning of sentences regardless (full voice acting is a helpful clutch, as well) and enjoy the plot/character interactions without many issues. I'll just keep doing this for about a year and see whether it works or not.

>>18464810
Find yourself a cheap whiteboard, pack of whiteboard markers and something to clean it with. It's not the same as ink but still has a bit of that fluid feel to it and makes kanji enjoyable to write compared to ballpoint pen and paper.
This is really only in the context of writing out kanji reviews, if you do that. It's fun.

>>18465237
Only those with pure yamato damashii can see the true form of words.

>>18465167
I didn't do RTK, but there's nothing wrong with it. Listening to Japanese audio before learning any grammar, though, that's pretty ridiculous.

practicing kana by reading the untranslated sound effects in manga
surprisingly fun

>>18465549
Reading all of the kana on a page of manga, skipping over the kanji, is a decent way to stop mixing up kana and to get faster at reading them.

>>18465669
yeah, that does seem like the next logical step

Reading today was actually a lot more enjoyable, you guys must be onto something with this 'read more' thing.

>>18454197
>僕は１人教室に入ると、人目を嫌い、教室の扉を閉めた。
what is that 人目を嫌い doing there?
I think I understand the sentence but:
>When I got to the classrom, Hating the gaze of other people, I closed the door.
Sounds really weird to me.
I guess a translation that makes more sense would be:
>When I got to the classroom, I closed the door so as not to be seen by anybody.
But that 嫌い seems a little odd.
What grammatical role is that fullfiling?

Any more good motivators like Nama Sensei? It's not like his content is groundbreaking, but he's always had a comedic charm to his videos that help me feel less stressed about Japanese as a whole. Just really casual and relaxed. I wish I could be so carefree about learning JP.

>>18466210
heres some motivation: once you know japanese youll instantly find all your once favorite 2d media to be trite pretentious garbage

>>18466262
Someone didn't do their Anki reps today.

>>18466262
much like your posting

>>18466109
嫌う also means avoid.

>>18466275
I'm far beyond the level where that would be necessary for myself.

>>18466262
Joke's on you, I already know my favourite 2d media is trite pretentious garbage.

I don't get it. There's another page to this.

>>18466389
Any ideas what the joke is?

>>18466402
I don't know the context but it seems to me that she's obviously inputting something and wrote down the wrong characters beforehand.

Why is your understanding different?

>>18464481
Only the first two (book and book without the thing), because I haven't gotten far enough to see the other ones pop up a lot

>>18466460
>book and book without the thing
>book without the thing