/jp/ - Otaku Culture

What is the general DJT opinion about sentence cards?

>>18372022
just do vocab
if you really want a sentence deck, mine your own

What level of profiency is required to work at a Kanji research plant? I want to help science discover new kanji.

>>18372022
Bad idea but nobody's gonna stop you.

>>18372034
better resign to a job at the misleading-katakana plant instead

>>18372036
I will

>>18372131
N-Nani?!

How do i learn japanese well?

>>18372166
Watch Steve's videos. They will show you the light.

>>18372166
You don't.

>stopped anki a bit ago, only knew about 400 words
>Forgot alot of them

Should I just start the 2k core deck over again or just work through this massive stack of cards?

>>18372192
Work through it again and be honest with your answers. Anki is designed to handle these situations.

Post dekinais

>>18372291
>tfw doing my reps but having to look up a word every few sentences

>>18372297
>reps
>sentences
You're doing something wrong.

>>18372291
Dekiru chan believes you can do it anon!

>>18372034
It's all automated now. They've got a whole rack of 1080s mining kanji all day.

>>18372326
あやしい

Is there any reason the character is using katakana for 僕 here? Or is it just because?

>>18372511
It feels different. Kanji is associated with formality. Katakana is not.

>>18372192
youre so close to the start it doesnt matter what you do just do fucking something

How do I "freeze" Anki?
Will be gone for a while and I don't want to come back to 1000+ reviews.
No, I don't own a phone that can run the app.

>>18372554
Just leave it and do as many reviews as you can, the whole purpose of anki is to space things out for repetition.

Is it a good idea to read through the Tae Kim book as quickly as possible, or in small increments? I´ve read up to chapter 4 in the last week, and was planning to maybe finish it this weekend, should I do this or is there a better method?

>>18372554
Cant you just set the maximum number of reviews per day to like 1?

>>18372563
That's definitely the best way. Do a fast but comprehensive reading, so you grasp a general idea of the language's grammar.
Japanese grammar is quite more complicated that what it looks like, because of the extensive number of auxiliary suffixes. Just learning how to properly use よう in all situations will take you a few weeks.

>>18372554
>No, I don't own a phone that can run the app.
Do you own a phone with access to the internet and a browser?

Rate accent please.
https://youtu.be/1PgIfO92mAU

>>18372869
Better than 99% of DJT

Reminder that kanji is your best friend that allows you to memorize immense numbers of words without much effort.

>>18372943
Reminder that this doesn't make isolated kanji study good.

>>18372954
I'm not against it personally it's just that every system I know is complete shit.

>>18372022
People that have done it are fluent.

People that didn't are salty that they heard about it too late

>>18372019
>Go through daily anki reviews
>too burnt out to actually consume nipponese material afterwards
fuck.

>>18372022
It's exact the same as mining for words except you mine the whole sentence.
You could also mine for certain grammar patterns.

>>18373134
Do Anki as soon as you wake up.

Consume nip material throughout the whole day

>>18373140
No, it's not nearly the same thing. If you study words separately you need to recall every meaning of the word but if you "study" sentences you don't need to remember this since you already know what the sentence is about if you have seen it a few times.

>>18373125
People who cut themselves have become fluent too. New meta? Stop reposting old posts btw.

>>18373141
b-but I have to go to work as soon as I wake up

>>18373185
Wake up an hour earlier.

>>18373188
hmm. I never considered doing it before work.
Sounds like a plan.
thanks

>>18373182
>All that salt

Thanks for giving everyone an example.

Now...Don't you have reps to do, wordcuck?

>>18373176
>He doesn't know that sentences are how words are found in actual media
>He only does Anki to get better at Anki

Truly sad, wordcuck

>>18372560
>>18372585
I've always thought that if you didn't completely empty the review count you were doing it wrong.
Gonna set the maximum numbers of reviews to a reasonable number and go then.
>>18372838
A BlackBerry 9100 is what I got. That can't run Anki can it?

>>18373522
Stop being stupid. All I say is that you don't learn words you learn sentences. Knowledge of meanings and readings of a word will pretty much guarantee that you will understand it the wild but knowing word in a sentence doesn't guarantee shit. It's not like I haven't tried studying this way. Probably even longer than you.

>>18373583
https://ankiweb.net/about

>>18373500
I don't use Anki.

Stop shitposting. You're an idiot.

>>18373583
>Gonna set the maximum numbers of reviews to a reasonable number

that guy is wrong, setting a review limit just hides them. they still pile up.

Can someone help me break down this phrase:
"滅ぼされようとしていた"
I know that 滅ぼされ is the stem of the passive form of 滅ぼす but I don't know how "ようと" modifies it.

>>18373756
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/try.html

Do you guys remember any anime (or maybe visual novel) where there is a scene with a girl screaming something like "私たちをどこまで馬鹿にしたら気が済むの！" at the protagonist? I just can't quite remember where I remember it from, it's driving me nuts. Pls help

What is she saying in the second bubble?

>>18373730
Ah, I've always thought it was some Android/IOS app.
The browser on this phone can't even load the 4chan catalog, let's see if it can run AnkiWeb.
>>18373740
Which is why I was looking for a way to "freeze" Anki.
Now the question becomes if it is acceptable to let them pile up or not.

>>18374004
There is no way to freeze it, that is just not how SRS works. Even if the program allowed such a thing, you would fail a large number of the delayed cards when you got to them anyway, and not having a huge number when you first come back would be false reassurance. The catch-up period of reviews feeling like shit because your retention is garbage would probably end up being longer.
It's very undesirable, but if you have no choice it doesn't really matter. You might have to hold off on new cards for a while and you might not finish off the review queue for a few days when you come back.

Why does everyone in /djt/ shit on AJATT? Everyone who fully tries the method have become fluent. Are you guys really just so mad you didn't do it?

>>18374067
Stop shitposting. You're an idiot.

Why is djt allowing the AJATT bait to shit up the thread by continuing to reply?

>>18373125
People who haven't done it are fluent too.

Sentence cards aren't necessary, and take more time and effort to make than regular vocab cards on top of carrying additional risks (e.g. mining a sentence with a mistake in it and memorising it thinking it's correct).

>>18373500
>>18373522
>cuck cuck cuck
Go back to /int/, crossboarder.

>>18374076
Very nice rebuttal.

>>18372022
Sentence cards take longer than word cards. If you can read sentences you are better off actually reading something.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PdPOxiWWuU&t=2s
Can you guys please outline the problems associated with using Matt's version of learning Japanese?

Daily reminder.

>>18374207
Opinions vary and you will gain a better idea of it by hanging around. At the moment you will get a lot of shitposting about sentences because that's what we've been talking about since that fucking video was uploaded, but some things that are more consistently agreed on: immersion before you know kana, waiting 5 months to read a grammar book, making cards out of Tae Kim's unnatural sentences, and waiting a year to learn what pitch accent is are shit ideas. Kanji study is also controversial but leaned against, sometimes with a caveat of "if your vocab study is going very poorly, you might need it." But I did kanji study from day one so take that how you will. I didn't delay learning vocab for it though.

>>18374207
There is nothing fun about it. Does he ever talk about actually enjoying Japanese? It seems like he learned Japanese for no reason. Even when he lived there all he did was sit in his room and do flashcards.

I also think there is way too much emphasis on RTK and going monolingual.

>>18374067
i'm jealous of their willpower

>>18374237
Thank you for the reply. As of right now I'm 200 kanji into RTK but I was thinking of switching to KKLC so I can learn the readings alongside the kanji. I have yet to put any effort into learning vocab, though. Should that be something I should focus on alongside kanji?

>>18374237
Not to defend him but.
>immersion before you know kana
If you've been watching weekly anime before learning the kana, then you have been immersing before you knew the kana.

Honestly I don't know anymore. As long as I follow the input hypothesis aka read a fuckton, listen a fuckton. Every. Single. Day. I'll probably make it I hope.

>>18374264
Don't go down that path. The one thing that certainly will set you up to fail is switching methods every so often. I lost so many time just fucking around. Maybe is RTK is shit, maybe it's not. But there ARE people who learned kanji this way.

What are your experiences and opinions with dakimakuras? Are they comfy? I don't a waifu pillow. I want just the pillow. Does it increase the quality of sleep?

>>18374331
>Does it increase the quality of sleep?
Only if it has your waifu on it

>>18374331
I use a pseudo dakimakura with one normal pillow to hug and one between my thighs when sleeping. It's comfy. I should probably get a single full size one.

>>18374331
>want to get one but still live with my parents
But I have multiple normal pillows I hug with. They certainly help me.
Also get a sleep eye mask.

>>18374331
i got one for waifu purposes and the novelty wore off after a few weeks but the pillow itself is super comfy and i recommend it to everyone

>>18374331
>I don't a waifu pillow.
Go away.

>>18374264
There are a bunch of things I liked about my approach, and a bunch of things I didn't like, but it's very hard to judge fairly what was effective and what was not when I don't know what would have gone differently with changes. I went from keyword to kanji instead of the intended kanji to keyword, which I felt gave me a better understanding of the kanji but was much more work as the keywords are non-unique and I had to add example vocabulary to many of the cards. This tied my kanji progress to my vocabulary progress, which slowed my progress through kanji which was way easier for me to review.
Further, this pushed me to do sparse vocabulary with little overlap so that I didn't stretch out KKLC to take a fucking year. Something that doesn't seem to be discussed much when people start throwing out cards per day is overlap. I suspect that when someone says they're struggling with 15 words per day and another person says they do 50, on average, there's a big difference in how many of those words are using kanji or at least kanji readings that that person has never seen in a word before. I certainly learn words MUCH faster when I'm already familiar with the readings involved.
Overall, I think I'd agree with the suggestion to avoid switching your method and follow through as long as it isn't going terribly. When you get through it, you basically never have to deal with it again, and even if you do continue your strategy into studying non-jouyou kanji you can easily go through them MUCH more slowly without it impacting the rest of your study.

>>18374294
While I get what you're saying, I don't know if it's very valuable immersion when you understand almost none of it. Maybe it helped my understanding of Japanese phonology, but it seems like the biggest benefit is the few times I learned a word that I had already internalized and only needed to learn the kanji for. And there were far fewer of those than you might think.
As far as I understand, the input hypothesis says that this is effective when you understand most of the sentence. When that isn't true, I don't think it's very valuable. It may be better than nothing, but it probably shouldn't take away any time from your actual study until you have some grammar knowledge and a small vocabulary.

>>18374520
>effective when you understand most of the sentence
You're absolutely correct in your understanding the input hypothesis. I certainly wouldn't worry about it if you don't do immersion.

But the reason isn't as much for learning new words and grammar patters.
- If you're an absolute beginner (like you never watched anime in japanese) This will turn Japanese from continuous garbled noise into "discrete" noise. You will get used to the sounds of Japanese and where words start and stop even if you don't understand them.
- Physiological. You never need "start doing japanese" because you're doing all japanese all the time™

Of course you should always prefer material you understand over stuff you don't. It also isn't a problem to listen to something on repeat.

>中当て
what the fuck is this

>>18374734
I know this might sound harsh but at some point of learning you will have to start googling shit instead of relying on jp-en dictionaries.

>>18373925
これを　お隣（の家の人）に　渡して、
書いて　もらえば　良い　＋のよ

>>18374753
so dodge ball?

>>18374780
yes

What are some good mid-tier difficulty manga?

Simple slice of life manga like Yotsuba and Ika Musume are too easy for me and don't present any real challenge, but after trying to move up to LNs I've had to face the fact that my Japanese is simply not good enough to tackle those yet.

>>18374250
>Even when he lived there all he did was sit in his room and do flashcards.
Yeah, I found that really weird.

He even mentions that the mother of the host family he stayed with offered to take him places and show him around Japan, and he refused her in favour of sitting in his room and making flashcards all day. It's like, why did he even bother going there in the first place?

>>18374867
He thought that being native Japanese would make his life better, and AJATT told him that living in Japan makes the process faster so he did. He didn't want to be a shitty tourist, but to live the mystical and wonderful life of a native as soon as possible. He later determined that living in Japan is completely useless and even a distraction for AJATT, and continued on his quest to become native to escape his own life. Some number of years later, he realized this was ridiculous, shared his life story, and dropped Japanese. Then he started meditating, entered adulthood, and picked Japanese back up like a normal second language.

how come 滅多に uses ない when it already has the nuance of being low/doesnt occur.

"滅多に起きない" doesnt mean "rarely doesnt occur" but instead means "rarely occurs"

>>18374867
> the mother of the host family he stayed with offered to take him places

Is he gay? Why wouldn't you jump on that milf puss?

>>18374845
go straight to LNs and power through baby boy

>>18374845
ラブひな and ジョジョの奇妙な冒険 have more text per page and more varied Japanese than your average shounen, you could give them a try.

>>18375052
look up 滅多 without the に

Where can you find Japanese audio + Japanese subtitled content? I know of a few netflix shows that have both, like the new Devilman and a few of their originals.

I'm over two years in and still having to look up a word in almost every sentence that isn't yotsuba level. My brain just can't keep information in. I think for some people it may just be impossible to learn japanese.

>>18375201
Never stop reading.
Never stop learning.

>>18375193
>Japanese audio
raws
>Japanese subtitled content?
waste of time, you're better off reading and jumping straight into raws of something slow and simple SOL

>>18375217
I like reading along with subtitles. If I find a word I don't know, I don't have to look it up by radical, I can look it up phonetically.

>>18375201
Anki harder.

>>18375201
>I think for some people it may just be impossible to learn japanese.
It may be for people with legitimate mental disorders, but assuming you have no major impairments that affect your ability to function every day of your life, you are probably just not taking a very optimal approach or expecting it to be easier than it is. You aren't born with or without language ability, if that were the case then you would have had extreme difficulty learning English, don't make excuses for yourself.

>>18375229
You're going to quickly run out of stuff that has subs so you're better off in the long run increasing your listening skills
they just don't sub things and dont give a fuck about their deaf

>>18375201
Might be a matter of source. I can't help but mine at least 5-10 words whenever I read a dumb touhou doujinshi, and I'm 2 years in as well.

>>18375249
What kinds of words? Maybe you're mining stuff that you don't really need to.

>>18375229
If you're relatively early in your study this is fine, but you should realize that anime is not very optimal for reading practice, and this method will give you very little listening practice as the best practice for anything makes you struggle just a little bit instead of having the answer right in front of you.
Which is to say, when you have the vocabulary and grammar to be able to read other things, you don't want to do this.

>>18375254
I kinda want to learn ALL THE WORDS, so I mine whatever isn't utter bullshit. Sometimes it's really common stuff that I somehow missed in the past, sometimes it's relatively rare word that I still want to learn. The last word I remember mining is 房中術.

>>18375201
You're either reading difficult stuff or subject matter which you're not used to reading (which is good) or not reading often enough (which is bad). The solution is simple: keep reading, every day if possible, and keep challenging yourself.

This is a title for santa episode. Where did I go wrong?

>>18375237
This is 4chan, we all have mental disorders here

>>18375336
The end of the kana for santa has bito, I'm not too familiar with how they refer to santa, but isn't bito also used with referring to a person but usually using the kanji

>>18375370
>bito
Yes. Fairies in this series is refered to as [job]-hito/bito

>>18374987
>Then he started meditating, entered adulthood, and picked Japanese back up like a normal second language.
No, it's more that he realized he could make money off Patreon. You might've missed it, but he made a video which (he quickly made unlisted) saying he'd come back to YouTube if enough people would become his Patreons and wanted people to comment on the video saying whether they would or not in order to gauge interest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqqHz85L0-E

>>18375336
Also, that's naritai, not nakutai.

>>18375423
So this is one of those thing which writing varied slightly depend on font and handwriting. I can't believe I missed my favourite kana. Thank you

>>18374845
>too easy
Read for pleasure. You'll end up reading more, acquiring the language faster and enjoying the process.
Seriously, the idea of reading X then Y then Z in order to create a persistant challenge sounds as though treating a language like a jrpg game. Autistic and bound to fail.

>>18375179
I read the whole first Overlord LN but there was just so much that I didn't understand, and even by the end of it the situation hadn't really improved. It was pretty depressing since I had only recently watched the anime adaptation and had my memory of the plot and general knowledge of the setting to help me figure things out, but still ended up getting stumped by so many sentences.

>>18375474
Overlord describes shit in high detail and has a lot of internal monologue at least from the little I've read. I wouldn't feel too bad about it fucking you up.

>>18375462
な, た and い are all written in hiragana so why would that be a katakana ク?

But yes, り can be written like that and appears like that in many fonts.

>53.2% true retention at the mining deck
Learning 20 kanji, 20 core words and 20 mined words everyday probably isn't the best idea.

>>18375472
It's hard to enjoy something if reading it is too much of a struggle. Rather than pleasurable, it's more like frustrating.

if getting a n2 gets you into japan, and n1 gets you a job, what does an n0 get you?

>>18375652
terminal cancer

>>18375652
there's an n0?

>>18375652
Into a prestigious japanese high school.

>>18375663
theres a meme test called the n0 with almost impossible questions


the real test that makes JLPT N1 people shit their pants is the Hanaken 1

http://hana-ken.com/hanaken/index.html

>>18375677
>１級：１２,９６０円（消費税込み）
Jesus fucking christ. Almost $130 for a fucking test?

It sure is a weird sensation getting used to reading kanji and kana, you actually notice how automatic reading is and gets bothered by having to focus to read.

Don't mind me, just bitching around

This is the proper ladder for Japanese

JLPT N5
JLPT N4
JLPT N3 <--- Congratulations you now qualify as a japanese student
JLPT N2 <--- Almost there
JLPT N1 <--- You beat the tutorial level

Hanaken 3 <--- The real challenge starts here
Hanaken 2 <--- Are you dead yet
Hanaken 1 <--- nobody will ever question your japanese ever again

Kentei 1 <--- Only 1 documented foreigner in the entire world has ever reached this level.

>>18372022
I started with sentence cards but switched to vocab once reading didn't consist of looking up every other word.
>>18373601
>Knowledge of meanings and readings of a word will pretty much guarantee that you will understand it the wild but knowing word in a sentence doesn't guarantee shit. It's not like I haven't tried studying this way.
What did you do? Did you have sentences with words unknown to you in addition to the word you were trying to learn? Did you have translations of the sentences? I can't even begin to understand how you could memorize an entire sentence but not be able to pick out the function/meaning of the word if you're doing it right (i+1).
>>18374237
>that fucking video was uploaded,
What video? I've been busy with work. I'll guess mattvsjapan -- which I haven't watched.

>>18375724
lol

anybody who skips from N1 to hanaken 3 gets their ass savagely destroyed

you need to do the Nihongo Kentei ladder first

https://www.nihongokentei.jp/about/

>>18375724
>Kentei 1 <--- Only 1 documented foreigner in the entire world has ever reached this level.
Only one documented Westerner. There are Korean/Chinese people who have passed it.

人を集める

BLJT1
Kanji Kentei 1
Nihongo Kentei 1
Hanaken 1

which of these is the hardest while at the same time being the most useful?

>>18375899
>Hanaken 1

Hanake. 1. The purpose of the Hanaken exam, even for japanese speakers, is to standardize the language to a point where someone can be anywhere in Japan and get along just fine with anybody.

You learn about every single regional dialect in the country and master them all.

>>18375796
did that guy get a job?

>>18372022
They're a great idea, from what I hear -- those who do them consistently become fluent very quickly. Because you're reviewing strictly sentences hand-picked for optimal learning.
A second option is mining your own sentences or at least your own vocab words.
SRS really is the holy grail for learning.

>>18375737
The video linked in the post that my post replied to, your guess is right.

>>18376008
Well I guess they'll show up in the guide.. any day now :^)

>>18375993
As far as I'm aware he works for the institute that administers Kanji Kentei now, and he's trying to get a perfect score on every level of Kanji Kentei.

>>18376008
>Because you're reviewing strictly sentences hand-picked for optimal learning.
I feel like you're being disingenuous.
I use(d) sentence cards but there is no such thing as sentences for optimal learning. The reason I liked sentence cards following i+1 was that they would build on each other and reinforce each other and it didn't require going back to a dictionary every minute. Of course, once you build up a decent vocabulary and reading isn't going back and forth between a book and a dictionary, then vocab cards are the way to go.

>>18375899
Difficulty
Kanken > Goken > BJT > Hanaken

Usefulness
BJT > Goken > Hanaken > Kanken

>>18375822
whats the meaning of this post?

>>18376133
Bandwagoning

>>18376138
such a weird meaning? thank you

>you have to talk about some experience you have had in hanaken
This test is clearly made to bully hikikomori

>>18376094
should i take all 4 of them just to be sure?

>>18376207
Might as well.

would taking practice N tests do well to tell me what exactly I need to focus on? such as specific failed grammar. I'm way below probably even N5 but maybe doing them would help me identify what grammar i need to focus on.

>>18376222
Honestly, N is fine as a beginner benchmark, but you might want to look at Tae Kim. Tae Kim covers a massive range of grammar.

>>18376222
you're at the point where you should be throwing buckets of paint at the wall, not looking for spots you missed

>>18375652
Well, no in english is simply 'no'.

>>18376008
Literally none of the statements in this post reflect reality.

Stop being brainwashed by AJATT spinoff communities.

Have any of you guys used the dojg anki deck? if so, how did you find its usefulness?

>>18376506
I use it as a a searchable DoJG for my phone since the pdf is formatted horribly.
I learned all the cards in the basic one then suspended the rest cards. After that, I just unsuspend intermediate and advanced grammar points as I find them.

>>18376525
also would you recommend doing the recognition or cloze for the cards?

>>18376466
Hes here to shill for it, pretty sure its one of the originators
Hey maybe this shilling will work where dozens of others have failed, you never know

I think I've hit something of a beginner-intermediate slump...

I've got about 1200+ kanji and 4500+ words and now the new words I'm encountering in the wild are more and more specific and rare, it makes me not want to add them to anki. I'm thinking about not adding anything new into anki for awhile and instead just focus on reading.

I don't know if that is the right thing to do, I sort feel like it might just be a cop out to be lazy.

>>18376596
rare words are exactly what anki is for you drip

>>18376596
>I've got about 1200+ kanji and 4500+ words
You have no idea what a "rare word" is.

>>18376599
>>18376606

Thanks, anontachi, I'm gonna add some words to anki right now

Is there a Japanese version of spellcheck that can correct your grammar for you?

>>18376616
While reading genuinely rare or unusual words will pop up fairly often due to the mangaka/author/whatever deciding to throw them in randomly or the setting brings about obscure or archaic/historical references. You might come across them a dozen times over the course of a mamga series and then not come across them again for months, years. Still fun to learn.

how do I use a J>J dictionary when I can't even read japanese?

>>18376992
You don't.

>>18376992
Use google translate to translate the definiton

>>18376992
Use something that lets you look up words in the J-J dictionary with a J-E dictionary.

But you really don't need or even want to use J-J dictionaries if you can't read Japanese.

>>18376992
Stop following meme methods.

>>18375737
>What did you do? Did you have sentences with words unknown to you in addition to the word you were trying to learn? Did you have translations of the sentences?
I had only one or two unknown words in a sentence that I was trying to memorize. When I studying with this method first I had translations and kana on the back of the cards, later no.
>I can't even begin to understand how you could memorize an entire sentence but not be able to pick out the function/meaning of the word if you're doing it right (i+1).
It's really easy. When I start reading a sentence I immediately recall what the sentence is about so my brain doesn't even need to concentrate on words that I might not know. It's like word cards but you have a translation on the front.

To understand how ineffective studying sentence is you should create cards with a word you're trying to learn and sentence below in a way that your eyes won't read anything from them accidentally. Try recalling meaning of a word first if you can't - study the sentences. If you still can't recall meanings of a word after, say, 10 days then look for this words in the wild so you have a proper context. If you still don't know what the words mean
precisely but you easily understand your sentences it means that you haven't learned the word at all. Of course I recommend doing it with words that aren'y easily guessable from kanjis Pretty easy test that will save you lots of time later.

>>18377033
>It's really easy. When I start reading a sentence I immediately recall what the sentence is about so my brain doesn't even need to concentrate on words that I might not know. It's like word cards but you have a translation on the front.
Hmm, I have my cards set up without any translations and when I first add them to anki I look up any words that I'm not sure of to make sure I'm understanding the sentence. Then when it comes up in reviews I think about what each word means and use the memory of the understanding of the sentence (if it still exists) as a memory aide for the beginning stages of getting familiar with the new word since the hardest part about Japanese is memorizing all the different readings (usually).
>>18377095
>To understand how ineffective studying sentence is
Can I just do this with new cards and not go back and update my old cards? I'm feeling lazy. Also, should I tag these new cards in some way to make it possible to compare statistics of my original sentence cards vs my new vocab cards w/o sentences on the front?

>>18374067
I don't really have a problem with the most of theory behind AJATT, but the entire methodology requires you to essentially make your entire life revolve around constant exposure to Japanese. Which, at best, is inconvenient and unenjoyable, and for most people who aren't NEETs, completely unfeasible. AJATT is basically just Antimoon taken to its logical extreme. If done properly, it's going to work, but so will similar less insane methods (like Antimoon). I think it's worth reading through, because there are some good ideas (there are also some bad, or at least dubious ones), and there's nothing inherently wrong with using the AJATT method, but it's not the only way to learn Japanese. A lot of the flak it gets also comes from the tendency for people who subscribe to the method of being annoyingly vocal about it on the internet, particularly in their belief that only through their method is someone able to attain fluency, despite that being demonstrably false.

>>18374067
Because it's shit and made by a weaboo permavirgin

>>18377182
Also, when people assume that any kind of constant input implies AJATT, it's REALLY annoying.

How much time did you guys spend on studying at a beginner level?

おにいちゃんおしえてください

coincidenceににてるたんごだとおもうんだけど

ふるーくとかふるっくとかいってるんだけど

ほうげん？

>手を回す
>>18377278
736 hours and counting

How do you look up a kanji that you don't know how to write if it's on an image or paper?

>>18377318
You draw its shape into google translate.

>>18377318
Search for it by radical.

>>18377299
Drop the roleplay.

>>18377318
Attempt to write it in Google Translate, radical search on Jisho, OCR.

Last resort, screencap it and ask here what it is. Oh, and if you're reading an LN, be sure to try writing the kanji into Chinese Google Translate if Japanese Google Translate doen't find it. I came across a "kanji" in an LN I was reading which I was only able to find that way. None of the above methods worked, and when I finally managed to find the character via Chinese Google Translate, I tried searching it in the J-J EPWING dictionaries I have and none of them had any results for it, even 広辞苑.

I don't know why LN authors have to be such pretentious dicks. Using archaic kanji that nobody can read instead of their modern versions is like if English authors decided to start writing random words in Anglo-Saxon runes.

>>18377299
Fluke?

>>18377360
おしえてください

It is flock.

は

It is coincidence.

と近いのん？

>reading LN to practice
>want to look up a scene on youtube
>scroll through results
>"MC DEATH SCENE MUST SEE" halfway down first page
th-thanks for following remember to like share and comment on this post

>>18377506

>>18377495
coincidence = 偶然
fluke = まぐれ当たり

>>18377506
>want to look up a scene on youtube

>>18377506
This is what happens when you stop reading, even for a moment.

>>18377531
そう
あと頭が禿げる

>>18377523
luckyなcoincidenceがfluck？

misfortuneなcoincidenceにつかったらだめ

こうかなあ

あってる？

>>18377371
>o Chinese Google Translate if Japanese Google Translate
Not him but that's how I backtrack Earth Color LN MAD from its youtube video. It is such a pain

Ive been studying jap since a month before summer ended. I feel like shit rn, all i have been doing is wanikani anki and tae kim and im not good enough to read and i cant even enjoy activities like vidya or watching anime any more because i just keep telling myself that im wasting time i could be spending studying. This feels like shit but i have to keep going because i know if i give up now im going to fall into an episode of grief over how hard i worked and how i just gave it all up. WTF do i do to fix my motivation problem so its not just me studying for the sake of studying? I have tried joining discord servers but i keep getting ignored because i dont know how to socialize, and as i said before im not good enough to read. Does it get better after you have the skillz to read and i just have to power through it untill then or am i doomed?

>>18377675
flukeを使う時、おもに負けず嫌いな者
特に素人を

>>18377735
>and i cant even enjoy activities like vidya or watching anime any more because i just keep telling myself that im wasting time i could be spending studying
fuck that gay shit
you need time apart from studying to avoid burnout
so how is that a waste of it

>>18377735
>i cant even enjoy activities like vidya or watching anime any more because i just keep telling myself that im wasting time i could be spending studying

This fucking feeling has destroyed my life and my ability to enjoy anything for the past couple years. I don't even watch anime anymore because I feel bad for watching it with subs, and when I watch it raw I miss out on too much and feel bad as well. No it doesn't get better. Reading is a chore as well.

>>18377759
I'm not good at focusing so I take a long time to study grammar, so I end up taking 5 hours to do what I assume should be done in 1 hour. At least i can will power through SRS's really fast but then its just me clicking on tabs and staring at my music cover when im supposed to be studying grammar.

>>18377771
Thats what i thought would happen honestly

>>18377735
>WTF do i do to fix my motivation problem so its not just me studying for the sake of studying?
What you need is discipline, not motivation. If your only fuel is motivation you're never going to accomplish anything that requires any kind of investment.

>>18377735
Wow you're a waste of sperm, just kill yourself

>>18377796
Is that not what I have been doing though? I stopped actually having motivation around 1/4 into tae kim which was and now im almost 1/2 through

>>18377797
rude

>>18377815
You're 1/2 through TK after 5 months? What the fuck are you doing?

>>18377831
slow?

>>18377835
Is less than one lesson per day slow? I'd say yes.

What's the best way to get subs for anime that put everything in kana with furigana and also with english subs?

I'm pretty sure this is the fastest way for me to learn the language.

I'll download whatever shitty anime I need for subs like this.
Pls

>>18377735
>and i cant even enjoy activities like vidya or watching anime any more because i just keep telling myself that im wasting time i could be spending studying.
This is a bad attitude to have. You need to be studying every day, but that doesn't mean you have to be studying through all of your free time. This kind of thinking will probably just lead you down a path to spending more time doing less work. You need rest time.

>This feels like shit but i have to keep going because i know if i give up now im going to fall into an episode of grief over how hard i worked and how i just gave it all up.
This is a strong motivating factor, but also, as harsh as it is, if this is the only thing that is keeping you learning a language, you should probably take a hard look at why you're learning the language to begin with.

>WTF do i do to fix my motivation problem
You find out why you're learning the language. Be honest with yourself. It doesn't matter how stupid your reason is, you need to have one. If you don't have a reason to learn a language then why are you doing it?

> so its not just me studying for the sake of studying?
I'm not entirely sure what you even mean by this.

>I have tried joining discord servers but i keep getting ignored because i dont know how to socialize,
Not really sure what you want out of discord to begin with.

>Does it get better after you have the skillz to read and i just have to power through it untill then or am i doomed?
Yes, and no. You're faced with different challenges once you start reading native content.

>>18377783
>I'm not good at focusing so I take a long time to study grammar, so I end up taking 5 hours to do what I assume should be done in 1 hour. At least i can will power through SRS's really fast but then its just me clicking on tabs and staring at my music cover when im supposed to be studying grammar.
Discipline yourself. Study time is for studying.


>>18377815
>I stopped actually having motivation around 1/4 into tae kim which was and now im almost 1/2 through
>Ive been studying jap since a month before summer ended.
You're frankly working too slowly, and as counter-intuitive as it may seem, this is almost definitely contributing to your problems. You feel like you're not progressing, because you aren't, progress as a beginner is some of the easiest and most noticeable progress you can make, utilize it. The utility of a guide like Tae Kim is in how efficiently it can be gone through. My guess is you're likely working too hard to try to ""fully understand"" each grammar point or some such, which is a fool's errand. Grammar explanations given in textbooks are always approximations at best, and trying to master textbook content is just going to needlessly slow you down, and I'd wager is likely to make the transition from prepared textbook language into real-world messy language harder rather than easier. So try to speed yourself up.

>>18377867
>I'm pretty sure this is the fastest way for me to learn the language.
you're pretty wrong, its reading into raw anime

>>18377870
Grammer was shit and i meant jap eng exchange based discord servers

and shit thanks a bunch anon

>>18377867
Watching with English subs is going to do virtually nothing to improve your Japanese, even with all the shit splattered on your screen alongside, and watching with Japanese subs is going to do a lot less for your listening comprehension than properly listening. All in all what you want to do is stupid.

You can use Animelon if you really want to waste your time, though.

>>18377747
わかった

わせいえいごなんだとおもう

>ビギナーズラック

これだー

>>18377735
Studying japanese or anything isn't supposed to be fun if you want serious results so if studying itself depresses you then you might want to quit it as early as you can.

>>18377889
Am I weird if I unironically enjoy studying?

>>18377867
>>18377882
please stop shilling your shitty streaming service, thanks

>>18377873
>watching raw anime with no idea what you are reading
do you know what the Rosetta stone was and why it was so important?

>>18377914
thats not what i said, and i don't care about paid resources
they're not in the fucking guide

>>18377914
The Rosetta Stone was basically only the Remembering the Kanji of Hieroglyphs and Demotic, the actual understanding of Ancient Egyptian texts pretty much only came about as a result of the Rosetta Stone thanks to the existence of a direct descendant of the language in the form of Coptic.


Anyway, nobody is fucking saying you should learn Japanese by blindly staring at raw manga/listening to raw anime without doing any other studying you retard.

>>18377914
have you ever asked yourself why people who use accurate english subs for almost a decade don't automatically learn japanese?

>>18377882
>>You can use Animelon if you really want to waste your time, though.
what's wrong with watching anime with japanese subs?

>>18377965
>and watching with Japanese subs is going to do a lot less for your listening comprehension than properly listening
I answered your question in the post my man. It's not like it's completely useless, but you're doing yourself a disservice.

>>18377965
nothing

the issue is in doing so and pretending that it's "listening practice"

>>18377940
>Anyway, nobody is fucking saying you should learn Japanese by blindly staring at raw manga/listening to raw anime without doing any other studying you retard.
why shouldn't I have all resources at my disposal while studying?
Why is watching anime with jap/eng subs bad?

>>18377954
I'm talking about jap subs dumbass

>>18377735
>>18377759
>>18377796
>>18377797
>>18377831
>>18377852
>>18377870
>>18377889
just did this in under 30 minutes thanks to you faggots (;

ルールに
家族を破ります。

母親は、彼女の子供が戦争のために取られる見
殺して、彼の心の寒さを強制的に訓練を受けました。

男を破ります。

母は見知らぬ人のリターンを見て、
販売女性のタッチを覚えておくことができるだけ。

今、あなたはあなたの土地を制御することができます。

//

To Rule
Break the family.

A mother watched her child be taken for war,
trained to kill and force his heart cold.

Break the man.

A mother watched a stranger return,
only able to remember the touch of a woman sold.

Now you can control your land.

>>18378024
>why shouldn't I have all resources at my disposal while studying?
>Why is watching anime with jap/eng subs bad?
Because you're not getting anything from this that you couldn't be getting more efficiently elsewhere. You're giving yourself virtually zero listening practice, and only marginally more reading practice since you have English subs on the screen too. At best you're pausing every time a new subtitle comes up and analyzing the Japanese sentence, but not only would this be better served without having everything alongside an English translation, but if this is what you're doing then I have zero idea why on Earth you'd want to use anime for this purpose instead of just using actual written language to begin with.

>>18378024
>Why is watching anime with jap/eng subs bad?
english is entirely useless
jap is just reading, of which there are far better ways, especially considering the lack of them, you're vastly better off just listening raw to improve your skills there
>>18378037
and we care why exactly

Broken Stronger
I will always want a little pain with my pleasure, a little sorrow with my joy.

The kisses I feel to carry the fear of a bite,
light tension when I am overwhelmed by delight.

I will always need bitter with my sweet, because what I want to feel has to be real.

It is a weakling who seeks only good, ignores the bad;
what weight does happiness hold if there is no sad?

I reject a half-life;
Bring me your pleasure!
Bring me your strife!

Break me stronger,
wrong and right.

>>18378063
打破坚强
我会永远想要一点点痛苦与我的快乐，一点点悲伤与我的喜悦。

我觉得亲吻的恐惧会让人感到恐惧，
当我被喜悦所压倒的时候，我会感到紧张。

我会永远需要我的甜蜜，因为我想感受到的必须是真实的。

弱者只求善，忽略不良;
如果没有伤心，幸福会持有多少重量？

我拒绝半条命
带给我你的快乐！
带给我你的争斗！

打破我更坚强，
错误和正确。

Pain, Rape, Prostrate. Not 'prostate', you morons.

ban evasion

>>18377940
>nobody is fucking saying you should learn Japanese by blindly staring at raw manga/listening to raw anime without doing any other studying

This is exactly what AJATTers do

>>18378105
No strawman please, it delegitimizes actual arguments against AJATT, which are countless.

>>18378105
At least put effort into your shitposting, anon.

>>18378108
Beacuse they can't count to 4?

>>18378108
AJATT is already a caricature of itself, the cult leaders like MattvsJapan and Khatzumoto both advocate listening to Japanese while sleeping, it's literally scientology-tier pseudoscience until there's a paper about it

>>18378118
They do not say "you should learn Japanese by blindly staring at raw manga/listening to raw anime without doing any other studying". There are a million problems with AJATT but saying "you should learn Japanese by blindly staring at raw manga/listening to raw anime without doing any other studying" is not one of them.

>>18378124
RTK and sentence cards aren't studying

>>18378143
People who subscribe to AJATT recommend learning basic grammar before trying to meaningfully consume input.

>>18378143
Okay. That doesn't mean that they say "you should learn Japanese by blindly staring at raw manga/listening to raw anime without doing any other studying".

>>18378143
Even if the AJATT website itself didn't explicitly recommend utilizing grammar resources (which it does), the "cult leaders" as you called them do anyway.

バタフライウィング泥棒！Butterfly Wing Thief!

You twits. You want to fucking THROW down then FUCKING DO IT. Morons. Just hurl yourself through his windows, he doesn't care. She doesn't care either.

>>18376571
I do the cloze cards but I don't really like either since I can always tell what the answer is by the whole sentence after a few times.

>>18378223
Do you use the anon random template? I've only reviewed around half the deck but don't really get a lot of repetiton with the same sentences. 280 cards are mature and the average interval is 4 months.

i want every word with kana なん somewhere in it to get fucked

>>18378223
How does that matter if you are remembering the clozed grammar point.

>>18378286
多難だよ

>>18378286
何でやねん

https://forum.koohii.com/thread-14967.html
>I've had this tattoo for years and back when I got it this was the best translation I was told by another forum for what I wanted. I wanted it to say never give up in Japanese kanji. I'm an athlete and I have it on my forearm as a constant reminder. One time some Japanese tourists we're at my work and asked to see it and they kindve giggled and asked what I meant it to say. I told them and they said yes but it says it in a cute way. What exactly did they mean. Idk how to attack a photo to the post so message me if you can help please I will send you a picture.

（笑）

How do I study for hanaken

>>18378376
>リア充 does thing
ok.jpg

>>18378473
Next time I'll make sure to preface the post with おにいちゃん、たくあんたべたい.

おなかすいてない

かるぴすのみたい

>>18378286
なんなんの
急に

>>18377797
That attitude can fuck right off.

>>18377890
Absolutely not, I'm the same! If you enjoy studying, it's a very valuable trait to have and will make getting to an advanced level really so much easier. (Speaking generally, not just for Japanese.) The people e.g. >>18377889 who say "it's not supposed to be fun" are missing the point that unless you actually want to go and work in Japan, all this learning Japanese business is recreational anyway, so if you're not enjoying the journey, the destination (comprehension fluency) probably isn't worth getting to anyway. 頑張ろう。

>>18377882
>Watching with English subs is going to do virtually nothing to improve your Japanese
Not true

>>18377735
I'll give you a concrete goal. Finish reading Tae Kim within a week and start Yotsuba with the reading pack. Keep reading it even if you want to kill yourself because it's "too hard". It was hard for everyone. If you can't do this, give up now and save yourself the trouble.

So I've made what is probably the large mistake of memorizing the meaning of a decent chunk(~400 mature cards, ~150 young cards, yes I know it's probably a weird ratio) but I probably only know the pronunciation of half of them at best and want to fix it. Should I just hit "again" on any cards I don't know the pronunciation on as they come up? Should I just start over?

>>18377890
>>18378825
My absolute negros. Japanese is one of the few things I've found I can't wait to get back to studying. I'd like to go through it more but I know I have to take breaks every so often to let myself really absorb the things I just went through.

>>18377735
What's the rush? Just treat it like school or workouts: dedicate time each day and don't worry about it after the fact. Spending hours a day grinding is inefficient and will lead to exactly what you're feeling now.
Develop a schedule. Spend 30m to 1hr 3-5 days a week. Make a schedule that fits with your life and stick to it. Long term > short term in any form of self improvement.
Just my opinion man. Japanese is going to be my third language, and one of the benefits of learning it as an adult is you have a steady, accessible drip of content you can consume indefinitely. It's up there with English in terms of staying engaged, but obviously not as arbitrary of a language.

>>18378991
Go at that pace and you'll end up like >>18375201

>>18375899
where can i get information about the Hanaken?

>>18379069
If you're a brainlet maybe.

>>18378991
>Spending hours a day grinding is inefficient
Except it's exactly the opposite. The faster you progress with your studies the less time to forget things that you've learned.

>>18379172
He's recommending, at most, 260 hours of study a year. Anyone who's done that for 2 or 3 years would still be very shit at Japanese. Only a beginner or someone deluded by their texthooker could believe otherwise.

>>18379234
It's more efficient in terms of time spent, but slower overall. 2 hour a day for 5 years is worth more than 4 hours a day for 2.5 years. Now of course only normies would use this as a justification for doing it this way. Most people just want to learn as quickly as possible, which means more time spent more results.

That imabi guy has a gofundme. Not sure why he needs $10k though.

>>18378936
This post really reads like reddit

>>18379246
What do you define as "very shit"?
It won't make you fluid in that time, but it's the most efficient way to get good at Japanese. Not everyone is a NEET who can stay home and study for 6 hours a day.
Repetition >> Grinding

>>18379285
Anyone that has a real reason to learn a new language definitely has at least 1 hour a day to dedicate to it.

>>18379304
The guy mentions 1 hour a day in his post so that doesn't really contradict anything I said. I agree that 30 minutes day is too little.

>>18379326
>3-5 days a week
There's no reason to go a single day without studying. Also I was being lenient with 1 hour. 2 is probably more like it

>>18379340
Look, I'm not debating about the specifics. I would say 1 hour a day, 7 days a week is enough to make significant progress.
If you have time for more studying, great! More power to you, you'll reach your goals faster. But you shouldn't imply people aren't going to make it because they don't grind for several hours a day. In my opinion consistency and repetition dominates total hours spent long term.
It's the same rationale behind how you can study 1 hour a day for 20 days and get a B on an exam versus studying 10 hours for two days before the exam and fail.

What the fuck is wrong with the IME writing input. It literally just doesn't work.

>>18379382
Are you writing with the correct number and order of strokes? IMEs not made for foreigners with no knowledge of Japanese expect correct stroke order and proportions.

>>18379270
le /r/(le)arnjapanese army is here to shitpost on ur /jay pee/. now, p(le)ase press the (le)ddit integer increment button on the (le)ft, as if my leddit integer does not increase at a sufficient(le) fast rate, i will expire from lack of validation.

>>18379433
I am doing it right.

>>18379433
Heh

>>18379382
I don't know about google's, but microsoft's ime is quite impressively good, if you're on desktop.

にちようび

なにする？

>>18379593
オナニー

>>18379606
l-lewd

>>18379499
That is impressive

>>18379606
四六時中？

>>18379234
It is better to do 2 hours of efficent studying a day than to drag on and on for 5 hours daily without really focusing or doing it well

>>18378143
>sentence cards aren't studying
>reading, understanding and reviewing sentences in Japanese is not studying
Maybe AJATT and mattvsjapan have specific definitions of sentence cards that you're referring to? I just throw a sentence on the front and readings plus the J-J definition on the back.
>>18378194
This is what I do, but I hold it for 10 minutes straight, no relaxing.

>>18379747
ずっと

>>18379766
sentence cards are a form of input-via-anki, you might be using vocab cards that have sentences on the front instead

if your cards indicate a particular word on one side and a definition of just that word on the other side, then they are vocab cards, even if they're signed up (cloze etc)

>Ankiconnect keeps failing to connect

>>18379947
That handwriting actually makes me want to die

>>18372019
I started studying Japanese in 2013, took 3 years of JP classes but it wasn't my main area of study, so I slacked sometimes. I've also been doing WK for years, but stagnate constantly and am only level 19. I really want to hammer down JP, but I feel like I'm just not having a good way to apply it in any way that can help me actually recall vocab and grammar without it in front of me. Any suggestions?

>>18380010
stop memorizing. start reading.

>>18380010
Check the post you cited.

>>18380037
I read the NHK easy, but the sentences seem too basic.

>>18380052
Read more. Read for fun. Read for hours.

>>18380059
>>18380042
>>18380037
Is there any kind of archive on nyaa for compilations of reading materials?

>>18380081
djt netlify, here you go 100000 hours of reading 4 free

>>18380093
Thank you, anon

Anki doesn't work.

If I don't see a kanji actually getting used somewhere in literature I'll forget it eventually.

I notice this with some words I mined a year ago that I never saw again. Like 杭. And I read a lot.

If this was a language using the alphabet I imagine a mature card would stay mature forever.

Can we get a section in CoR or the library for manga ebooks? Scans are kind of a pain on Kindle.

>>18380185
>anki doesn't work
It doesn't work for you. Not everyone learns the same, which is why anki is only one of many different suggested learning programs.

>>18380185
>Like 杭. And I read a lot.
I recognized that right away and I'm a sentence-on-the-front card guy. In fact, I can even produce a phrase using it: 杭打ちの仕方. Vocabcards btfo.

So would you say that Anki is the best way to learn, or should other sites be used.

>>18377735
>all i have been doing is wanikani anki and tae kim and im not good enough to read
This is why people here put so much emphasis on reading as soon as possible. People like to think they can get fluent just by learning words in Anki and reading about grammar in Tae Kim, but it doesn't work that way.

Even if you're not good enough to read - READ! It's the only way you'll get better. You can't learn to ride a bike without getting on one and falling off a few times first. This works the same way.

>>18378037
Good job wasting your time.

Now go read something. You might want to try a VN like Flyable Heart since being able to hook the text and read it with Yomichan eases the suffering considerably. See the resources guide for details on texthooking.

>>18380245
But will you still recognize it after 1 year of not seeing it?
In most other languages you would, but in Japanese the chances of failing a mature card are higher. Especially for words that are almost never used.

>>18380413
>In most other languages you would, but in Japanese the chances of failing a mature card are higher. Especially for words that are almost never used.
What the fuck is your point? Are you mad about having to click again on a 3 year old card or something? If you forget a "rare" word then just hit again and bam, you're right back on track to memorizing it. Saying anki doesn't work is quite like saying "my memory doesn't work". It's not some super special voodoo magic, it's just optimized reviewing.

>>18380185
>I never saw again. Like 杭
>And I read a lot.
Why do you lie

>>18380456
You'll never be free of Anki that way though, isn't that scary?

>>18380494
You're free to stop when you average less than 1 known word per text that you need to/want to read. Or whatever metric you feel is sufficient

>甲虫

かぶとむし or こうちゅう?

>>18380593
How do you read 太政大臣?

>>18380611
おおきまつりごとのおおまえつぎみ

Is there any significant difference in nuance between そういう and そんな?

>>18379382
http://kanji.sljfaq.org/

Is there any easy way to read on mobile offline, and be able to look up words easily?
I love reading on the kindle app on my android tablet, but the word look up is garbage and can't define anything that's conjugated.

I used to just read on the DJT library and use Rikaichan but it simply isn't designed for mobile and sometimes it looses my spot (since I can't hit B for bookmarking).

How is Learning Japanese the Manga Way compared to Tae Kim? I've been trying TK but it feels so dull

>>18381227
I liked it but I got sick of reading grammar shit about 3/4 of the way through it so I just quit and starting reading and looking up grammar when I encountered sentences that I couldn't understand. Either way, I think it's a good thing to read multiple explanations of grammar points since one way of looking at it may make more sense to you than the other.

>>18381241
i actually just starting reading as well, how do you determine what to look up and what are vocab?

>>18381322
I would start with looking it up in a dictionary (Jisho.org) and if nothing comes up, then I would look into grammar.

How difficult are the Baldr Sky games for reading?

>>18380494
You don't know every english word you may need to read books, does that stop you?

>>18381427
Easy/good for a first VN.

>>18376065
>The reason I liked sentence cards following i+1 was that they would build on each other and reinforce each other and it didn't require going back to a dictionary every minute.
Perfect example of what I mean by "optimal learning" without the confusion or struggle that all these "just read" people seem to think is so valuable.

>>18376466
>>18376595
>s-shill
I don't understand, why are you hellbent on making sure other people fail at learning Japanese?

thoughts on setting card timer on anki? 5 or 10 sec or so

>>18381449
really? i thought it would be semi-difficult since it's got mecha shit
you aren't lying to me, are you?

>>18381494
like 99% of Ajatt is just thx to anki/reading, people are just so cult brainwashed they dont even notice lmfao

>>18381510
Lots of made up or niche technical words, but the prose style is pretty simple.

それはまた今度でいいわそれにコレ、そんなに高くネエしょ

WTF does this mean?

>それはまた今度でいいわそれにコレ
That's fine for another time, and as for this
>そんなに高くネエしょ
it's expensive isn't it?

>>18381510
It's the first thing I read after core6k. It's a step above braindead moege in difficulty of course but it's better to read something that entertains you.
There aren't a lot of hard to read mech battles or anything because those are done through gameplay.

>>18381166
No fucking way dude. Honestly?
All these Kanji handwriting tools are fucking bad, they need you to put in the Kanji flawlessly, clean with perfect stroke order (just like no native ever writes) instead of something natural. Google translate recognizes it even if I scribble something that only vaguely resembles the Kanji, honestly the thing is fucking magical and I love it.

>>18378847
Yeah exactly, this is why you see all those weebs who have watched hundreds of hours of subbed anime with such great understanding of the Japanese language.

>>18381669
I'm pretty good at Japanese and haven't really studied at all, just watched a lot of anime. I'm not saying it's time efficient but it's very much possible

>>18381686
If you aren't studying the language alongside watching it you won't get anywhere except random words added to your vocabulary, it's not a matter of time efficiency, its a matter of being near impossible because you have nothing to build upon.

>>18381660
some random website isnt going to be able to throw out millions of dollars of ML training at the problem

>>18381700
You learn random words and then you start understanding the grammar when those words are used and it builds on itself. Literally how babies learn languages

>>18381660

>>18381715
>Literally how babies learn languages
Babies aren't reading subtitles while they're learning a language.

>>18381731
It's stupid. Nobody has any reason to use this above Google translate.

>>18381746
They also interact with eachother and still learn the language in school

you cannot learn japanese without some kind of educational tools

>>18381746
Their subtitles are their parents pointing at things and saying the name of those things

>>18381747
Maybe you're just not cut out for this.

>>18381752
If you think pointing at an apple and saying "APPLE" is in any way equivalent to fully translated, localized sentences, which may or may not be presented out of order for the purpose of making them read more smoothly, then you're delusional.

>>18381700
Not really. I learned quite a lot (relatively) in the first 4 years of watching subbed anime and could understand simple conversations with no problem.
Obviously after that the gains were minuscule at best since paying close attention to what is being said when the subs spoonfeed everything to you is a pain in ass.

>>18381757
I can obviously do it just fine, it's just that this recognition service is bad compared to Google. Now these are all still common Kanji, I imagine once you put in something more rare it will really struggle.

>>18381757

how many attempts did that take you?

>>18381773
There sure are a lot of kanji that it could mistake that for.

>>18381787
Just one honestly, by copying >>18381747

>>18381766
Well yeah, you learn Japanese faster with English subbed anime than a baby learning their native language. The part that is same is it's all through immersion and repetition

>>18372170
What Steve?
Linku pls

can/does 私費 refer to "personal expenses" in a sense of like personal commodity spending or does it only refer to the context of "personal funds" like we use "out of pocket"?

>>18381595
>>18381629
how would it be for my first novel then? someone who is hot off the presses of hitting 2k words in core and has never read anything in japanese long-term
im open to other vn suggestions too,
stuff action-focused preferably. i'd go for stuff published by Light but that feels like a death sentence with how difficult the novels seem to be

>>18381621
>>それは、また今度で　いい　わ
>That's fine for another time,
>>それに、コレそんなに高くないしょ
>and this is not so expensive, is it?

ネエ nee = ない nai

>>18381747
if you took 2 minutes to study stroke order rules and didn't miss stokes you'd have no problem, brainlet. you don't even have to draw the whole thing

Almost back to where I once was.

What is this supposed to mean? I just skipped over it when reading 'cause I was clueless.

>>18382092
also, if you write the whole kanji, you have to uncheck look ahead. that's the only reason it "missed" 糸

>>18382106
どうなっているの？もうー

>>18382106
wuts happening~? gawwwwd

>>18381494
>I don't understand, why are you hellbent on making sure other people fail at learning Japanese?
Can you even read english? You're shilling AJATT here, its pretty fucking obvious
you'll be on the list of:
pimsleur
rosetta stone
memrise
wanikani
duolingo

very soon, don't worry

>>18377797

>>18382304
fun fact this game is in japanese on steam

>>18382348
I kinda feel like playing it again so I can practice my japanese a bit. Just downloaded 2 isos of old PS1 games I had in japanese back when I was a kid to see what I can understand now.

２がつ１１にち

けんこくきねんび

>>18382441
赤飯？

>>18382056
well yeah i figured it was just slang

what does it mean though?

What's the best way to read manga on an iPad? All of the pages are just jpgs.

>>18382547
sell it and buy a computer

>>18382564
Why the fuck would I read manga on a computer? I have a laptop, I really don't want to use that to read manga.

>>18382262
I'm not in support of AJATT, but that list is unfair, you will probably actually learn Japanese with AJATT because at least the method contains useful methods within it (like reading more) which cannot be said of anything else you've listed.

>>18382572
oh you do have a normal computer
in that case use MangaMeeya7 on it
no need to thank me

>>18382579
>you will probably actually learn Japanese with AJATT
yeah and the guide in the OP has taken out the 'probably actually'
so on the list it goes bud

>>18382581
I just said I don't want to use a computer.

>>18382590
but i thought apple products just werk???

>>18382590
Time to import physical manga then innit?

>>18382547
zip the jpgs, change to .cbz
import to sidebooks

>>18382597
Why are you so butthurt by the fact that I own one apple product?

>>18382055

>>18382547
mangarock

>>18382474
どくりつきねんびではないんだよ

せきはんはないとおもう

>>18382474
>>18382641
じんじゃによっては

おもちなげるかもしれない

Is there any benefit to trying to watch shows/movies where you know you probably won't be able to make sense of most of the lines?

I can justify watching SoL stuff unsubbed to myself since the vocabulary and grammar is simple enough that I'm likely to know most, if not all, the words in a lot of the sentences, and so long as I know the words I can more than likely understand the line, but I'm wondering if it's worth my time to try watching other stuff knowing a great deal of it is just going to go straight over my head.

>>18382641
>>18382753
Why do people type without kanji?

>>18382787
子供っぽい

>>18374207
AJATT is not "good" and really, it's not even anything new. He's just shilling it for whatever reason that I don't quite understand. Some techniques are great, some techniques are poor. AJATT is just another thing in the huge pile of "how to learn japanese". It adds nothing to what I already knew and some of the techniques I already do, and other techniques I decided against.

The guy who came up with it was hired based on the fact he knew english, not Japanese and work with Sony as a "translator" - but basically got fired because well he's black and you know how blacks and work go.

>>18382753
じゃぁ
大きな網を持っていこう

>>18374207
>25 kanji a day
Is this a fucking joke? Is this written for NEETs who have no societal obligation or participation? I learn 25 kanji a week to get a good grasp on them. If you try to learn 25 a day, you'll end up stacking so much on your plate, you'll be completely unable to recall anything.

Anyone know how Himawari is for a beginner?

>>18382899
It's RTK so you're not really "learning" them.

>>18382919
Then what is the point?

>>18382918
It's normal or slightly easier. I think it would be a fine game for a beginner. Of course you're going to struggle with anything you pick.

>>18382932
RTK just came before srs, its older, so it has staying power
there is no other point

>>18374207
Go here and read the replies:
>>/jp/thread/18357501#p18358375

>>18382781
>but I'm wondering if it's worth my time to try watching other stuff knowing a great deal of it is just going to go straight over my head
Doing that will most likely only help you improve your pronunciation and intonation, since the only thing you can really focus on when you don't understand anything is way of speech. Perhaps if you try really hard and/or you have a better understanding of the language than you give yourself credit for, you'll catch a few things that will make sense when you learn them later.

>>18382940
SRS takes longer, I assume. RTK estimates 4 months, my SRS program is more like 1.5 years...

>>18374294
>If you've been watching weekly anime before learning the kana, then you have been immersing before you knew the kana.
That's not what Matt means when he says immersion though. What Matt wants people to do is spend five months watching raw anime before they even touch a grammar guide.

>>18382937
thanks
you or anyone else wouldnt happent o know where i could get a torrent of it that isnt in english right? i checked nyaa but cant find anything

>>18382781
Most anime is targeted at adults. You should start with simple stuff that airs during the day like Pre-Cure or something. A good way to find the anime's target audience is to look at what time of day it airs or aired. Daytime anime is for kids, and nighttime anime is for older folks.

>>18382986
Read the resource list.

>>18382932
The point of RTK is learning to write kanji properly by hand, as well as giving you the tools to better tell apart similar kanji, as well as giving you a rough approximation of the "meaning" of a given kanji. In my opinion, if you're going to spend time on dedicated kanji study, this is really what you should be doing it for anyway, so it doesn't really matter if you use RTK or KKLC or whatever else, assuming it presents the kanji in a decent order. I do think RTK's strength lies in what a lot of people seem to view as a weakness: you have to make your own mnemonics. The mnemonics in the kanji courses that have premade mnemonics are pretty much universally shit, and just the act of coming up with your own is helpful in memorization. When it really comes down to it though, what you're getting out of RTK, or any similar course for that matter, is an arrangement of characters. You can use the more traditional RTK method with KKLC by ignoring KKLC's mnemonics, and you can do KKLC in RTK order with the premade mnemonics on koohii.

リア充は爆発しろ

>>18383031
Why not just learn radicals, then? Isn't that the whole point? You see 10 kanji that all look the same because they share one radical at the heart, then why not learn that one radical, and then all of the others? That's why I feel like WaniKani is a decent system, though others seem to disagree. Throw the kanji at you, practice the meaning and reading, then put it into vocab. Where it fails is when you are literally held back from advancing if you fuck 4/35 of them up consistently and don't hit their goalpost for advancement.

>>18383075
RTK is basically the same as WaniKani, but without vocabulary (although Koohii has plenty of example vocabulary if you want to use it) and you have to write your own mnemonics. KKLC is basically the same as WaniKani, but it teaches the radicals a bit less explicitly than RTK and WK. In fact this is really why people don't like WK. You're doing the same thing everyone else is already doing, but with artificial limits on your progress.

>>18383112
WaniKani paces it more nicely, though it's just another SRS but with some kind of "organization". My issue with RTK from what I understand is that it rushes you into seeing it all, but not actually retaining it all.

opinion on using http://bilingualmanga.com for first reading attempt? seems very convenient, but I did notice a minor typo early on

>>18383133
You can pace RTK (or similar systems) however you want to. Just because you can do RTK in 2 weeks or some nonsense doesn't mean you have to. You can do whatever number of new kanji per day is sustainable for you and drop them in Anki and be getting the same results you're getting from WK. That all said, I actually don't really have a problem with WK, I don't like the artificial limits they put on your progress, but otherwise, like I said, it's the same thing anyone else is doing so if it's working for you then who cares.

It is absurdly more expensive than it's main competitors though, which is in my opinion a legitimate complaint since it doesn't really offer much (if any) improvement over them. I mean you can get a new copy of the books for RTK or KLC for the cost of like maybe 2 months of WK if you buy them new, and even less if you get them used.

>>18375201
I'm over seven years in and I had the same trouble as you. It may take awhile, but if you keep going, you'll gradually get better. Eventually you won't have to use a dictionary so much.

Just think: every time you struggle on understanding something, if you just work it out and bare through it, you'll be able to understand that thing faster the next time you come across something like it. So don't give up. Just keep trying, no matter how slow and tedious it may be.

>>18383152
Relying on english translations for learning is a bad idea. It takes you out of thinking in japanese immediately and spoonfeeds any amount of learning your brain is trying to do.

How can I enroll into a Japanese elementary school just for the kanji classes?

>>18383152
>>18383259
This. Try to use a children's japanese dictionary, or something that uses basic japanese to describe the object. NHK is wonderful for this; they often have 3 different definitions for their keywords.

What is the actual meaning of "Zekkō" ?
Negotiation? Proposal ?

>>18383310
have you tried a dictionary you dumb nigger

>>18383310
If only there was a thing that people could use to discover the meaning of words that they don't yet know.

>>18383328
Dictionary fag go away.
Of course, I did.
I want to know experienced japanese language users for the usage of word.