/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>18341703
is this poverty in Japan

>>18341861
I think it's a kind of public housing. At least the residents earn some income.

>>18341861
Considering they actually have housing, no.

>>18344598
>>18342611
Both of these are a yes.
>>18344598
You in particular have said something dumb.
I'm not asking you to compare Japanese Poverty with American poverty.
Also in America people below the poverty line also do live in housing.

>>18344879
>Also in America people below the poverty line also do live in housing.
You should visit Seattle someday.

Picture didn't turn out that good, but I think you can guess what place it is.

>>18338537
/jp/, would you actually move to japan given the chance?
why would you want to move there, what are the upsides?

>>18345968
1. surprisingly clean for a place with so few public trash cans
2. public transport is great
3. no religion of peace

>>18345968
In a heartbeat, assuming I had progressed further in learning the language.
Probably only to Hokkaido or at least Touhoku though, I don't like the heat in the rest of the country.
My top reason for moving there would probably be the nature, its such a beautiful country for one so densely populated. Other than that things like the lack of crime, infrastructure and general culture also attract me.

>>18345968
>would you actually move to japan given the chance?
No.

>why would you want to move there, what are the upsides?
No fucking westerners and their shit ways and cultures.

Unfortunately, immigrants just bring their old ways with them until the new place is just like the old place, and I'd be no exception no matter how much I tried.

>>18345968
Assuming I could legally live there and continue my current IT job, yes.

1. Incredible public transportation
2. Even toilets on top of a fucking mountain have a bidet
3. Food
4. Helpful for learning the language due to more exposure and more pressure to actually study

>>18346196
>No fucking westerners and their shit ways and cultures.
You're about 150 years too late.

>>18345968
If by "given the chance" you mean I find a job in my field, then sure. The upside would be that it's not a shithole third world country.

>>18346562
>2. Even toilets on top of a fucking mountain have a bidet
But your local station has squats.

>>18345968
>/jp/, would you actually move to japan given the chance?

I already did though?

>>18347326
Did you get your citizenship?

>>18345968
Yeah, considering in April I'm moving there to continue my studies.

>>18347535

Why would I do that? U.S. one is more useful.

I am only a few years from residency though.

>>18345605
you should visit georgia someday because there is housing for like $200 a month in a place called the projects

>>18342611
Do you dabble in climbing? Do you live in japan now?

>>18346005
>>18346027
>>18346562
>>18347326
>>18346821
>>18347586

is it true that once you get a job in japan, you're expected to work at the same company until you die?
no paid overtime?
50h a week?

I'm actually able to go there for half a year thanks to my study, but all the universities I am able to chose from are in Tokyo, and honestly, Tokyo is one of the least appealing aspects of Japan (at least for me).

>>18348024
Generally that's the idea, but obviously it depends on various circumstances like who you are, where you work, for how long etc.

Tokyo is plenty interesting. I lived there for a year and didn't get bored. For my second stay went for at a different place though.

>>18348024
>is it true that once you get a job in japan, you're expected to work at the same company until you die?

Traditionally, yes. The companies used to take VERY good care of their employees. Seems to be changing now though.

>no paid overtime? 50h a week?

This is a major issue. There are moves to put an end to this, but it all depends on your company. The really bad ones are referred to as ブラック企業 (Black Company). You will probably have an idea in what you are getting into before you get hired. You will need at least N2 (most of the good companies want N1) to get a job in Japan in most cases.

What are your options in Tokyo? Tokyo is gigantic, some places are better than others.

>>18348094
>You will need at least N2 (most of the good companies want N1) to get a job in Japan in most cases.

Do you think they care about how long ago you got it? I got a reasonably-scored N1 two years ago, but realistically I'm gonna look for a job few more years down the line.

>>18348116

Not really. Will have to take an interview in Japanese for most companies though, and that is a pain in the ass.

>>18348126
Should be fine. I'll be doing the search from Japan.

>>18347908
Yes, I love climbing. And I'm Japanese living in the prefecture of Fukushima.

>>18348283
輻射が怖くない？

>>18348380
原発は遠いからあんまり怖くないよ

>>18342611
>>18348283
Where are these pictures taken in?

>>18348477
それはよかったね
ちなみに北海道に登山したことある？どうだった？おススメの山とかある？

>>18348500
The first one was taken from Mt. Hitaitori in Koriyama city. Beyond the lake called Inawashiro, Aizu Wakamatsu station, which has its own thread on /jp/, is located.
I took the second one on Mt. Adatara. It's also in Fukushima.

>>18348513
北海道は行ったこと無いよ。この辺りの山なら飯豊山がいいね。

>>18348639
>この辺りの山なら飯豊山がいいね。
ありがとう
機会があったら登ってみる。

>>18345898
Well, it does say Kanda Myoujin on the flags. Was there a festival or something there today?

>>18349047
Actually that picture was made during hatsumode, the filename just changed to today's date after editing it.

>>18348045
Meh, I'd love to see the countryside, big cities usually do not do it for me.
I mean, I'd love to stay there for a week or two, but half a year is a little much.

..Or is Tokyo really that different?

>>18348094
>Seems to be changing now though.
Could you explain in what sense it's changing?

Meh, getting N1 is less of a problem than working 50h a week. (I think?)
At that point your life revolves around your job.
Maybe living in a western country has spoiled me, but here I can work 25~30h and still be considered middle class.

The only university I can remember is;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibaura_Institute_of_Technology

There were 2 others, if I'm able to remember them I'll post again.

>>18346196
>fucking westerners and their shit ways and cultures.
Japan would be such a craphole without western influence.

>>18349759
>I'd love to see the countryside
Not that anon, but that's what I thought when I went to Japan too. I ended up in Tokyo, but actually it's been much more enjoyable than I expected. Tokyo has festivals and events happening all around, and it's also central enough that you can take short trips to the actual countryside, like Yamanashi, Shizuoka, Gunma, and at a stretch Tohoku. It also quite depends on which part of Tokyo you're going to be in - it's a big enough city that you can have very urban areas like Shinjuku and Ginza and also more countryside-like places like Fuchuu or Hachiouji at the outskirts.

It could just be that I'm more of a city person than I thought too, but well.

>>18349759

> Could you explain in what sense it's changing?

It is becoming less common and more looked down upon. It all depends upon where you work though. I believe is isn’t all that much of an issue at the places actually willing to hire foreigners.

> Meh, getting N1 is less of a problem than working 50h a week. (I think?)

Getting N2 is about a year of serious study from 0 Japanese. Another six months to a year for N1. It all depends on the person, some suck up a second language like a sponge, and others like a rock.

>25-30 hours and still be middle class

Shit, can’t even do that back in the U.S. really. Maybe if you got lucky or went into academia (but even that has a lot of off clock work).

>never ever gonna live in Japan

>>18357544
Not with that attitude!

>just heading down to the lawson

the photos that go along with this one are some of my favorites. It's from a very snowy valentine's day in Harajuku at 2AM.

>>18358966
post some more.

>>18357620
>not with the features your real life character was rolled with

is what you meant.

>>18357620
>be spoiled 20 years old american (or any other native english speaker)
>have absolutely no credentials and be a failure in general
>able to simply go and teach english in Japan
>hur not with that attitude

not everyone has the luck of being born in an English speaking country you know.

>>18358966
when was this picture taken?
I did not think it'd snow this much in Tokyo

>>18352152
>I believe is isn’t all that much of an issue at the places actually willing to hire foreigners.
Does having blond hair/blue eyes give me a better chance of getting hired as a foreigner?

>Shit, can’t even do that back in the U.S. really. Maybe if you got lucky or went into academia (but even that has a lot of off clock work).
Meh, it's what you get for studying IT in a country that really needs code monkeys.
I am still @ uni, but a friend of mine is already working.
He has every single Monday off, and works on di-vri from 10 till 16~7.
It's weird how that's becoming the norm.

>>18361269
You're setting yourself for a lose. Never gonna win like this.

>>18347695
Republic or State?

>>18364503
state. the entire southeast us has housing that's cheap as shit. you could buy a comfortable large house in the suburbs away from niggers for like 120,000. anywhere else in the country it would probably be like a 300,000-500,000 dollar house

>>18358926
brb combini

more snowy nippon pls

>>18349843
Japan was never truly western, they just adopt technology and knowledge without cancerous cultural elements.

>>18370954
>more snowy nippon pls
の

>>18371834

>>18361269
I know this is just anecdotal from your POV, but when I stayed in Japan I met a Belgian who worked at an Eikaiwa, and although his English was good, he still had fairly funky speech patterns a native wouldn't use and an accent. If he could get hired for that sort of work I think most educated Europeans should be able to as well.

>>18371834
mind posting the natural looking picture of this? The original without the color effects pls?

>>18372397
I'm from South America and I'm fairly certain I speak English better than 90% of the Europeans I've met in my life.

But given that I was born in this shithole, there are far too many obstacles in my way to move to Japan and it's just not feasible. You yourself seemed to assume I was European so....

that speaks volumes as to how frustrating this can be.

Sorry, I just have a lot of rage built in due to my frustrations.

>>18371838
>>18371834
awesome pics, pls keep them coming

>>18372442

The guy who posted those in the last thread got super butthurt when someone said the same thing.

You are gonna trigger him again.

What gets me more than the colors is the ridiculous distortion and haze. I wonder what it was taken with?

>>18373005
>The guy who posted those in the last thread got super butthurt when someone said the same thing.

?
why

>>18373005
I urge you to look that up in the archive because not only did I post the picture, I also argued my point like a grown up.
I did not manipulate the haze, only the color. This is what the photo looks like rendered in-camera.

>>18373195
Looks better here imo

>>18373195

What lens?

>>18373223
Samyang 8mm f/2.8

>>18373195
wayyy better man.

>>18373476
>>18373203
Out of curiosity, which one of these do you like best? (I'll post more natural edits from here on out)

>>18374847
i dont like any of them, because i find the shot to be dull and depressing.
the last one is nice because it makes things more colorful but it isn't a representation of how it really looks.

>>18374866
>the last one is nice because it makes things more colorful but it isn't a representation of how it really looks.
Do you think that should be the focus of this thread? Accurate representation? I've been following this thread for years and it's mainly been exactly that. 日本の風景.
In any event, when I shot the photo I had the second version in mind (which makes it slightly more depressing and dull) but I've received more positive feedback for the third version.

>>18374879
as i've never been there before, i like the closest representation to what it is really like.
btw nice YAMA-CHAN.

>>18374847
Personally, the middle one.

>>18374879
I like the first one the most. I've been in plenty of cities with weather like that, so it feels the most real.

>>18374847

Top has a nasty yellow tint.

Middle has a blue.

Bottom looks like someone went nuts on siders.

Top or bottom with proper white balance will probably look okay.

>>18373246

The distortion is ridiculous. Looks almost fish eye.

See if you can find a lens profile that fixes it. Lightroom should have one built in.

And what body? Looks like a Sony, a6000?

>>18375465
The image already is heavily corrected for barrel distortion. It's always a tradeoff between stretching parts of the image (which is a distortion in itself) and still having slight barrel distortion. You would not fully correct a fisheye lens.

The body is a Sony a6000.

>>18375465
>>18375572
However, you can heavily correct a fisheye lens and then crop the image. Here's a version with only very minor adjustments to white balance and levels (no color adjustments, not split toning, no channel balance adjustment) and more agressive lens profile correction.

>>18375572

>already corrected

Damn, that is pretty ridiculous then.

I’d look at the Samyang 12mm, supposed to be pretty nice.

I have been eyeing the Voigtlander 10mm, but it is too expensive.

>>18375619
8mm was a mistake but it's the best value of all the wide Samyang lenses. I should just use my 50mm more.

>>18375643

I found 50mm on a crop body to just be awkward, it is perfect on a full frame though.

I have been finding myself shooting wide more often, around 24mm or so.

>>18375656
I agree, what you see in the strong.jpg photo is a Minolta 50mm f/1.7. on APS-C, equivalenting 75mm (the 8mm Samyang would be 12mm on the a6000). I purchased a speed booster however, which should arrive shortly.

>>18375684

I went with a full frame body instead, but a speed booster is probably well worth it. I have been using a lot of Minolta lenses with mine too.

Though I gotta admit, been shooting with my Minolta a7 more than my Sony a7 lately.

>>18374866
>i dont like any of them, because i find the shot to be dull and depressing.

Look at him.
Look at him and laugh.

>>18375615
why can't you just take fucking photos like this and not fucking jack up the color so it looks like some bullshit?

>>18364544

>>18377604
le niggers is a /pol/ word!

>>18375465
>>18375619
The Samyang 8mm is a fisheye lens and advertised as such. It's supposed to look that way.

Very wide angle and fisheye lenses cannot be fully corrected without cropping portions of the image, which removes the point of using those lenses.
The look is part of the reason to use it.

>>18378398

A proper rectilinear lens can get pretty damn close, but they get expensive fast.

The 10mm Voigtlander is about $1,000. It is actually wider (as in a wider field of view) than the 8mm Samyang because it is for full frame sensors.

imo it is a hell of a lot more interesting than fisheye distortion. Though I bet it is hard as fuck to shot with.

Took this during the recent snowing in Tokyo. I doubted I would get blade runner vibes and I can’t believe I got it

>>18374847
I like the top

>>18378460
i really appreciate how natural this looks

>>18377122
because he has taste. why can't you just sit back and stare at the pictures without whining like a little bitch that the people posting them aren't catering to your whims exclusively?

>>18375643
>strong zero
I salute what remains of your liver, anon.

>>18379308
putting a dumb filter or fucking with the color on a beautiful photo isn't taste.
It's the photographic equivalent of putting ketchup on a steak.

>>18378460
is Tokyo like London, where a piss poor 2 cm of snow brings the entire city to a halt?

>>18379442
What do you think about Masahi Wakui's work?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/megane_wakui/

>>18378427
>The 10mm Voigtlander is about $1,000. It is actually wider (as in a wider field of view) than the 8mm Samyang because it is for full frame sensors.
The 8mm Samyang is 8mm on a 35mm sensor size equivalent, on APS-C the Samyang is 12mm and the Voigtlander is 15mm.

That being said the Samyang has pretty terrible vignetting on full frame and the Voigtlander is objectively a better lens in every measurable quality.

>>18380690
i just wwish it was unfiltered and the color wasn't twacked out.. thats how i feel
I think its a tacky style of photography and i feel its like covering a naturally cute girl in makeup.

If a photographer can't capture the atmosphere they want without tweeking the color and adding a filter then they're fucking up.
I feel like it's literally the noob photograaphy move.
You can take vibrant photos without making it look unnatural
>pic related

>>18381954
You always tweak the colors. It's called setting the white balance.

>>18381954
>i just wwish it was unfiltered
How do you think a jpeg is rendered inside the camera? There is no such thing as an "unfiltered" photo and the term is fucking stupid.

>>18382145
>>18381954
>If a photographer can't capture the atmosphere they want without tweeking the color and adding a filter then they're fucking up.

Have you ever used a camera that is not a cell phone? Literally every single photographer on planet earth uses tools like Lightroom, Darktable (or a literal darkroom in case of analog) to create a photo from whatever data/negative the camera records. There is no such thing as "not tweaking colors" and you must be seriously fucking retarded if you think it's less "noob" to let the camera decide color levels, white balance and exposure instead of the photographer because that's what happens when you don't do it yourself.

>>18382189
its noobish as fuck to make the colors look unrealistic in phtoshop. its just shit taste.
no i have not used a camera that isn't a cellphone but i feel like this sort of work>>18380690 is just hacky.
what makes it particularly hacky is that it's a style of photography which completely falls flat if you're taking natural scenery. It only works in metropolitan cities, which i dont even understand the point of.
The signs are bright enough, why fuck with the pictures to make them look unnaturally bright, with an unnatural color?
>>18382113
as long as it looks natural imo.

>>18382294
Imagine being THIS wrong

>>18382314
the most natural looking lighting is the best for city photos.
shit like this is already so vibrant and colorful, trying to make it look brighter, or change the color is just silly.

>>18382113
You do that so it looks natural, you shouldn't do it for an affect.

>>18382294
I am mostly with you on this.
>>18382189 is correct that many photographers (over) use Lightroom or other tools to give their photos a more "artistic" look.
I'm not entirely against things like filters but the fact that you go out and take a photo digitally and then dick around with some sliders doesn't make it art, especially when they're trying to replicate the look of analog films.

And fucking no one is arguing over white balance and exposure, unless you're purposefully using the wrong white balance, which would be stupid.

... in a shot like >>18358966 the pink sky is hella comfy. I love what happens when bright city lights meet snowy, heavily clouded skies at night. snow above, snow below, and that particular impression that comes of it.

on the other hand, knowing it's not night in >>18374847 makes the fully processed pink sky irksome instead.

even in photographs, context is important to composition.
just depositing my 2￥ while the thought is in mind, don't mind me.

>>18382189

I don’t think anyone is arguing that SOoC is best and you should never use light r on (except those nutters shooting digital Fuji), but that there is such a thing as TOO much post processing.

Unfortunately, if you look at instagram, that overly heavy post processing is the cool thing to do now. I think a lot of the comments are just people sick of seeing it.

>>18338537
screams fire hazard.

>>18383872
There was a massive god damn fire in Niigata last year.
I think it was Niigata.

Someone here who is weeaboer than me can read the kanjis and tell me where is this?

>>18385458

>>18385458
>>18385461
I found this one, btw

2 Chome-24-13 Nakamichi, Higashinari Ward, Osaka, Osaka Prefecture 537-0025, japan

>>18385458
>>18385461
There's not a lot to go on in these. 平和食堂 is a really common store name and not all of them will be on things like Google maps.
The top one has even less to go on. ヤマザキ is a company that makes bread products (obviously) and that doesn't look like a factory or anything, just an advertisement or sponsorship for that shopping area.

Anyone have pictures of takaragawa onsen?

Any idea where could be this /comfy/ place?

>>18391062
Why don't you call?

Saw this on TV, liked it.

>>18385458
Red sign says Kusuri, which means drugs/medicine.

>>18345898
>>18347326
>>18358966
>>18362503
>>18371834
>>18378460
>>18391062
>>18385513
>>18385461
>>18385458
For some reason, these type of little Japanese backstreets appeal to me.
Like the little streets and lane-ways that are only really known to the people that live there. And just Japanese ones. Like I look at similar things from the US, Australia, UK, even other parts of Asia, and they just don't look as interesting to me.

Anyone else find that?

>>18384397
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-38402055/fire-engulfs-140-buildings-in-niigata-prefecture-japan

>>18391062
Ibaraki, Ishioka City
http://photozou.jp/photo/show/1162398/136154692

>>18395835
>http://photozou.jp/photo/show/1162398/136154692
Arigathanks gozaemuch anon

Asahi bump

>>18346196
> fucking westerners and their shit ways and cultures.

For some reason reading this makes me feel anxious about other first timers going to Tokyo in 2020 Olympics

>>18346196
> damn westernerss, i haet dem, hurrrr
The japs don't fuckin' like wannabe-netouyo western weaboos either, sonny

>>18348380
I just noticed that the Japanese word for radiation is fukushu
pretty ironic

>>18403838
輻射 (ふくしゃ) would be fukusha

>>18403886
oh, my bad

>>18403886
What's the difference between 輻射 and 放射能?

>>18406022
It looks like 輻射 is an old word that isn't used anymore, use 放射 instead.

>>18395758
on /jp/? no none of us have ever felt that way!

>>18395758
Because in our home countries the homey backstreets are either meth houses or a place where you get robbed by a bunch of black people
t. American

>>18413637
that's not what my country is like though.
T. Norway

What do you dudes use to take pictures? I want to get into amateur photography but i don't know where to begin. Is there some sort of affordable setup that would let me take good quality pics similar to some of the ones in this thread?

Here's one I took in roppongi a couple weeks ago

>>18415305
If you know what you're doing with a good cell phone camera + lightroom you can probably make a good start without investing any major amount into a camera body. Otherwise you should buy used, but I couldn't recommend a specific setup.

>>18415305
Don't bother with an interchangeable lens system. Just get a high(er) end point and shoot to start with.

>>18415305

An old film SLR, and a modern ICL mirrorless.

I prefer film as of late.

>>18347640
How did you get in?

>>18415662

Initially through an intensive language program.

>>18372893
>Sorry, I just have a lot of rage built in due to my frustrations.
It's self-reinforcing due to your unwarranted defeatism.

>>18415588
The more grain the better...

>>18415818

It is a heavy crop of a heavily underexposed Provia 100 shot.

I straight whiffed the whole roll, that was one of the few even semi-salvageable shots. I don’t have anything else on my cellphone to post with though.

>>18415305
My phone.

>>18415775
You're one stubborn fuck aren't you.
I even conceded that I am a defeatist but that doesn't mean my point is invalid.

To imply that it's not much harder for someone from this part of the world to move there when compared to an European or American is sheer ignorance. Don't believe me? I can prove it to you.

>>18372893
A friend of mine from Brazil moved there in 2016. I vaguely remember him being on a NEXT scholarship and he was going to college there. He said something about having been a 'NEET' for about a year or so leading up to it, while he was practicing for the various exams and such required to get in. He's still in school but I believe he lives in or near Tokyo now and speaks fluently. You should try that scholarship out if you're of the right age, and if it's available where you live.

>>18415818
I've never understood actively -wanting- your pictures to be grainy. I go crazy trying to coax clarity out of my cameras and never seem to get it, and then come people actively trying to get all kinds of noise in their pictures...

>>18419124

It is a MEXT Scholarship most likely. From the Japanese Education Ministry. It is pretty good, covers tuition and comes with around a $1,500 monthly stipend. Pretty hard to get too, can apply from abroad (competing against the rest of the world) or get recommended by your school in Japan (1 or 2 people a year).

>>18419439

Grain and noise are two very different things.

Grain can be aesthetically pleasing in certain situations. Noise, especially chroma noise, is almost always a distraction.

>>18419439
I most often see film grain being used to evoke a nostalgic feeling and artificially "age" whatever media it is.

Just a personal observation. Would be interested to hear other explanations, though.

>>18413637
In my home country every street is a street where you get robbed by a bunch of black people t. 南ア

The idea of walking freely around a city at night without fearing for your life is innately appealing to me.

>>18419124 see -> >>18420291

It's called MEXT and I'm out of the age range they cover by 6 years (I'm 28) so not possible anymore.

You think I haven't researched the options bro?
At this point I'm considering even trying to apply as an English Teacher there... which will obviously most likely not work but it's not like I have anything to lose anyway.

It just really pisses me off when people who have an easy time say shit like ''you can do it brah'' as I said previously, and I explained why.

I'm not including your Brazilian friend in this group btw, kudos to him, getting a MEXT scholarship is actually quite hard and he must be really smart to be the receiver.

This spot is pretty cool.

>>18420593
Wait, I think I forgot something.

>>18420593
>>18420598
Actually, wide angle isn't that great for that spot. Also the grading looks like Yako but in shit. Here's from the man himself:

>>18420593
>>18420598
Actually, wide angle isn't that great for that spot. Also the grading looks like Yako but in shit. Here's from the man himself:

>>18420593
>>18420598
>>18420622
Fuck these, here's the definitive version.

>>18420509
Is it really that hard, my fellow monkeybro? I really want to apply for this in the Japanese Embassy here in Curitiba. If it requires good grades in high school then I'm fucked, because I had horrible grades in the first year. Are the tests that hard? Could you give me some backinfo? I have a rather good Japanese. You could post it on sfc if you wish.

>>18420676
>. If it requires good grades in high school then I'm fucked

lmfao - you're on the same boat then.
Yes, High School grades count for a lot.
I even failed the 1st year of HS so absolutely no way to ever get something like that.

I'm being serious with you, if your HS curriculum looks like shit you might as well just give up right now. I'm also in Curitiba BTW.

Oh, how old are you? Gotta make sure you fit their age bracket too.

>>18420509

I was awarded MEXT at 28.

Recommendation from my University though, not normal application.

Had Jasso before that, wasn’t nearly as nice.

>>18421202
>I was awarded MEXT at 28.

Don't care, requirements are for each specific country so age requirements are different if you're not from Brazil, this also varies depending on your field (STEM, humanities). And as you yourself said, yours was an even more special case in that you received a recommendation, something I don't have as I've been out of University for 6 years.

Wanna keep trying my dude?
I'm here all night long. Just shoot. I'm almost entirely certain that there's nothing you can come up with which I have not thought of already.

>>18421147
Well, I don't really know what to do. I have always had the dream of living in Japan, but things are too rough. Maybe I will try becoming an English teacher or something. I have no idea what's the demand for computer scientists there as it's what I'd like to do, but I have thought about physics or even engineering. I don't know if I will be able to do something there graduating here or if I can try the MEXT for nível superior after I get a STEM here. Sabe o anão que posta no 55 às vezes? Ele é professor de inglês lá no Japão mas eu nunca consegui perguntar a ele como ele conseguiu já que ele demorava pra responder e eu não tinha tempo de checar.

>>18421412
Also, I can read pretty well, but my writing skills are not that great. I have never had English lessons anywhere other than school so I could try to improve it before becoming a teacher as my level is not that great.

Será que faz diferença onde você se forma? Pensei em fazer vestibular para a USP caso isto me desse mais chances mas se não fazer tanta diferença apenas iria à PUC aqui em Curitiba pra ciência da computação. Não sei se a UTFPR tem CC. Eu só não sei como eu me qualificaria para trabalhar por lá. Já pensei em último caso tentar me mudar pra Berlim já que lá eles contratam bastante macacos de código e não precisa saber alemão.

>>18421412
>>18421439
Não sou o outro cara com quem vc estava falando.

Eu iria para Irlanda ou Alemanha se fosse você.
Paga melhor, vai ser aceito melhor pela sociedade, mais protegido por leis trabalhistas, salário melhor etc etc...

E você pode dai visitar o Japão.
Morar no Japão é burrice. Acredite.

>>18421454
Pensei nisso mesmo. Só queria ter nascido japonês.

>>18420357
I went to Japan last month but with adding grain like an idiot it looks like I was there in the 70s! Cool right?

>>18421762
>Só queria ter nascido japonês.

Brother, tenho amigos japoneses, não é fácil a vida lá. Com certeza tem aspectos bons, mas muita expectativa em cima de japonêses.

Trabalhar horas absurdas, ser obrigado a permanecer com colegas de trabalho, dificuldade em sair do país etc etc.

Temos uma visão muito romântica de lá, a qual não é verdadeira.

Moro atualmente na Alemanha e não trocaria, a não ser talvez por Suíça ou Noruega.

Se você consegue se formar no BR em engenharia ou TI, se empenhe e tente se mudar pra europa depois.

I wish dutch shipgirls would appear someday.

They sure punched over their weight back then.

>>18421849
I don't make the rules, anon.

>>18420357
>>18420509
>which will obviously most likely not work but it's not like I have anything to lose anyway.
You're in luck, though late.
This year they are increasing the amount of English classes in most grades of education (elementary through to high school) so the need for English teachers has greatly increased.
You can still get in on JET because you are under 30, but you could even go for some of the private companies. I'm working for one and I landed here aged 31.

>>18422580
Looking pretty crispy good.

Btw MEXT offers research scholarships and the age limit there is like 33.

Just get a business degree with Japanese skill and go working there.

And if you get tired of Japan you can still work back home, because a business degree is somehow useful unlike JET.

Going to a language school is probably the easiest. Gotta save up to afford a year of tuition, but after that doors open quite a bit. You can get a recommendation the a university, or start job hunting in Japan.

>>18423043
>because a business degree is somehow useful unlike JET.
You need a degree of some form to get into JET anyway.
So unless you go for the easiest, and most useless, degree possible you should have some educational footing to land work from.

>>18423366
Well, with a business degree and Japanese skills you can actually do something better than assistant teacher and earn a real salary in Japan.

>>18423209
Is this really the case? I'm about to start my last year of university and was intending to apply for JET afterwards.

>>18422580
These are wonderful. I spent four days in Sendai, and got like 2/day from the little shop across the street from the station.

>>18423673
Some people use JET/English teaching to get into Japan.
You generally need a sponsor to get a work visa, so you would need a company advertising internationally that wants to go through the trouble of sponsoring you to get hired that way.
If you are already in the country it is much easier to get your visa changed, so your employment opportunities increase greatly.

>>18423682

The biggest plus to getting a job in Japan is speaking the language. N2 is the bare minimum, N1 is preferred. They also care about your speaking ability, but if you don’t have the JLPT certifications they don’t give a shit if your speaking is perfect. Two years of University classes at most universities in the U.S. is NOT speaking the language. Most students who have taken 200 and 300 level classes end up in the lowest of 9 levels(each taking six months to complete) at the language program I attended.

If you have the discipline to immerse yourself and force yourself to learn Japanese while doing JET, that is great. But I have met VERY few people who are capable of that. You don’t want to end up being just another English teach on a short term contract who can’t speak Japanese and only has a BA so they can’t even teach University level courses.

>>18422927
country of origin

>>18424313
>at the language program I attended.

which is?

>>18424313
I see. So rather than have an official looking piece of paper with a higher grade on it, you just impress them by speaking (near) fluently. And I don't think I'm one of those disciplined people. If you could please point me in the direction of the school you attended (?) I would appreciate it.

>>18425935
>So rather than have an official looking piece of paper with a higher grade on it, you just impress them by speaking (near) fluently.

Your reading comprehension is atrocious nigger.
Read again

Here

>They also care about your speaking ability
>BUT
>if you don’t have the JLPT certifications they don’t give a shit if your speaking is perfect.

Jesus Christ, English is not even my native language and I have to fucking explain this to you with meme arrows.

>>18426015

I hope that guy will not teach other people English.

>>18426015
Please read what I said. I said higher, not high. Granted I did misread the second part of that sentence.

>>18426156
>Granted I did misread the second part of that sentence.

Which is the entire point of my post, Good Lord, I hope you're drunk - you can't be THIS fucking stupid.

>>18425935
>>18424715

I attended Doshisha Universities Beika Program. It was closed recently though (some stupid internal power play shit) though there are similar programs at other schools. Ritsumeikan and Kyoto University both have a lot of exchange students and most likely have a similar program.

>>18427161
do you know the MJSP in Hokkaido?

>JET
>be stuck in some rural shithole without only a kombini which is open till 9 o'clock and one karaoke booth.

>>18427161
How much did you have to pay for tuition, accommodation and other expenses, apart from stuff like food, travel and clothing? I saw on the MJSP page that they estimated 1.2 million yen for a year, accounting for everything, food, tuition, accommodation etc. I think that would be feasible for me as a years tuiton here costs about 550000 yen, in local currency obviously.

Clerk of vegetable shop

>>18427247

Nope, only really know the Kyoto area.

>>18429066

That is probably a good estimate. I think tuition was something like $5,000 a year. Housing can vary wildly, and so can expenses. I would have recommended roughly a million yen saved up.

>>18428903
I, too, dream to be stationed in a place like Itomori.

>>18429066
>accounting for everything, food, tuition,

Nope,. they are not accounting for tuition with that 1.2 mil

>>18429617
do you think it's too late for a 28 y/o fag to start with something like this

https://www.oia.hokudai.ac.jp/mjsp/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/MJSP201703.pdf

I regret the fact that all I had on me for my trip to Kanazawa was a dinky coolpix...

>>18338537
Rnageban tast

>>18428903
>without only a kombini
Nice job, English teacher.

what's it like to live in the Inaka?

>>18430873
what happened to you?

>>18378460
You could put this in a photo contest.

>>18432857
Horrible,unless you’re in gunma, or close to an onsen town.

>>18434840
Elaborate.

>>18434953
One of my friends is in jet and he got stuck in a bumfuck nowhere town,but he’s 30 minutes away from a hotspring town and bathes there 2 or 3 times a month.

>>18435131
>in a bumfuck nowhere town

Why not enjoy it?
Join the locals, try planting something.
You 1st worlders are far too sheltered.

>>18338537
Sorry for the shit tier resolution. This guy uploads neat photos but not in full resolution, or I can't find it.

Goes by yako_flpr3 if you're interested.

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>>18435565
I'm kind of amazed how people can take pictures in the middle of high-traffic areas. Shibuya was already a nightmare just crossing. Taking up space to take a picture must be a dick move, but then again the nips are probably used to it.

>>18435585
Sorry if it's too much eye-rape. I like them though.

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>>18435611
Poor guy probably just finished nominication

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>>18435535

Oh, no! Instagram is leaking!

>>18435643
>>18435649
Yeah sorry. I agree it would be better without the filters. I'm already getting a headache.

>>18435653
kys my man, you should stop right there. you're last 2 wasn't bad though so might as well end it now on a not-shit note.

>>18432305

>>18435621
I bet that dirty old man just got his wang verred.

>>18435638
I'm not usually given to autistic screeching about filters, but the people in this one are orange.
It's a bad look.

>>18435708
Are Japanese hostels clean? Don't some JKs work there too? Wouldn't blame nips for missing the last train after drinking with coworkers, might as well get their dick wet.

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>>18435630
This is at the point of being dishonest.
It's just not that brightly lit, no where near it. That's just eye rapingly bright.

Have a comfy dark corner restaurant.

Please stop posting shitty Tumblr Instagram filter shit for the love of God, the point of the photos here is to show Japan not to show your high school art project

>>18437051
I like them

Only I can somehow fuck up a picture of the Imperial Palace

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>>18437506
Kind of an odd picture but I thought it was neat

>>18437542

>>18436415
>comparing a shot of a restraunt in a less urbanized area to a bunch of pics taken in a neon alley
even without the processing to make the light so much harsher it wouldn't be the same brightness levels, barring that first one with the rain. unreasonable comparison. they're overprocessed, but it's obvious enough that trying to bark about "dishonesty" is just making you sound like a douche.

>>18435668
>telling some fag to kill himself because you don't like the photos he posted
it's time to step back and try to dislodge your head from your rectum, anon. chill.

>>18437748
im not even the guy you were replying to, but those look fucking horrible.
here's a reminder that you can be bright without looking totally unrealistic

>>18345968
Already here...so yeah

>>18418604
South American college drop out here. Currently living and working in Japan. What is your excuse again?

It's not that hard to come, you are just a dumbass.

>>18438967
You're up early

>>18439132
had to feed the baby :(

>>18438247
FUCK U FOR LOW RES

>>18439189

Hey! Me too.

I don’t think I’ve gotten an hour of sleep tonight.

>>18439131
Ok, I'll bite

>What is your visa - Specify with details which one you got, show pic as proof, hide details such as name
>What are you working with
>How long are you legally allowed to stay there
>Are you in a language school or not
>What country do you come from

Answer those and i'll tell you why you're full of shit.

>>18439131
>>18439565
watch as this fag never replies, or creates a mystical scenario.

I'm waiting, faggot.

>>18372893
yep, i know a brazilian dude whos studying in japan

>>18438863
That just looks close to correct.

>>18437748
I wasn't comparing them. I have walked through the neon alleys of Tokyo and Osaka, I know how they look, the lights are bright but it is still dim, those make it look like it's close to fucking daylight.
Now, granted, one or two of them are actually in daylight, but the guy has gone for the effect of "drag the sliders up to 11".

>>18439131
>>18439565
>>18439649
called it, didn't I?
subhuman liar.

>>18421454
Please stay the fuck away from Ireland. We already have too many retarded BR monkeys around here. Thanks.

>>18440808
Go eat your potatoes so you can calm down, Gregor McGregor.

>>18440833
I'm not even Irish, so fuck off subhuman scum.

>>18440855
I'm not irish either, so why are you calling me subhuman scum?

>>18440855
>>18440808
ahhahahahahahaha

>MUH ANCESTORS MUTT

top fucking kek
fuck outta here nigger

>>18440808
>>18440855
>we have too many here
>i'm not irish

so you're another subhuman immigrant then, cool.

Subhuman.

>>18440855
>>18440865
BTFO

Has any white male gone to Japan and been unsuccessful picking up...alot of the time it just seems like they want to be friends. It's annoying.

>>18442148
>as any white male gone to Japan and been unsuccessful picking up

literally never happened, of course.

>>18440531
I was going to reply. Even try to help out... Now I'm glad a scumbag like you will never set foot in japan.

Enjoy your shit life my dude.

>>18442805
AHAHAHHA

>I was just pretending to be retarded!
>See, I can't prove any of what I said, but you're a scumbag so I don't have to back up my claims anyway

Cool story bro, go back to plebbit you fucking liar.

>>18442805
Honestly though, the only one with a shit life here is you, if you're such a coward that you're not even able to stand by what you said.

Prove the statement wrong instead of resorting to the same level, then you may be given credit.

Didn't know /jp/ was so full of other sudacas. We're never gonna make it.

>>18443051
Anyone spending their time on 4chin is not "making it" anyway.

>>18349759
Can you actually get a job if you are n1? I guess youd need other degrees too. What if you top n1 for a district or something?

>>18442805
>post calling other guy dumbass for no reason
>throw a hissyfit when he replies telling you off

Come on.

>>18443130
I thought N1 meant native fluency while everything else is useless and only exists to make you feel good.

>>18443130

It is big help, but you also have to have good speaking and writing skills.

>>18443673

N2 is worth quite a bit, many companies in Japan will hire workers with N2 if their speaking is good.

In theory N1 is native level, but in practice it really isn't. It suffers from the same problem as the TOEIC and other tests. You can learn the test, and be able to get a good score on it or pass it, but still lack proper language skills. This is especially true for native Chinese speakers because they can bluff their way past a lot of the test with their Kanji skills.

N3-N5 aren't worth the time or money to take though.

>>18443673
N1 doesn't mean anything when it comes to fluency because speaking isn't tested at all.

>>18362503
Wow, what a shot.

>>18443130
No. Why would they hire some random person just because he can read Japanese somewhat decently? You need degrees, experience etc. And to speak well at the interview.

I have N1, Master's and now trying for PhD in Japan. I hope that'll do.

>>18445827

No company wants a PhD in Japan unless it is STEM or you intend to go into academia.

>>18445888
Shhh, it'll be fine. I'll sell it well.

Awesome pictures, once again. Going there for the first time soon-ish, just after "Golden Week" in May. Can't wait. I need to buy a proper camera (my cellphone camera is just shit) and learn to take good pictures in the meanwhile. Can you guys suggest any good pdfs/guides/books about photography?

>>18431739
Not at all man. I am 28 years old as well and currently attend university in Japan. It's cool man.

>>18435653
Last time i posted his Instagram I was being told to fuck off with my "filters" (spoiler: those are not filters he uses)

>>18431739
Is a program in English language in Japan a good idea? Graduating it will be a plus in Japan, but not nearly as much as knowing Japanese and graduating in Japanese. And in your country your own universities will likely be valued more.

>>18446624
According to the PDF the course teaches you Japanese before entering the actual bachelor degree program. And you will be taking courses in Japanese as well.

>>18446652
I can't imagine half a year will teach you much more than the very basics. I guess the true value of the programme is living in Japan and having a chance to learn the language by yourself.

>>18446662
Yeah it is hard to say just going off the PDF. It says it teaches you up to intermediate in the first 6 months, then you continue taking Japanese courses throughout the 4 years. If the goal is to get a job in Japan, and you are able to graduate from a Japanese university with N1 and also fluent English skills, then it shouldn't be that difficult. I know guys in their mid 30s who have graduated from shit tier Japanese universities with Japanese skills worse than mine that were able to get jobs in Japanese companies.
Basically what I want to say, is the guy shouldn't let his being 28 the factor that makes him not pursue this if he really wants to.

>>18446698
Cool. I like hearing about
>now guys in their mid 30s who have graduated from shit tier Japanese universities with Japanese skills worse than mine that were able to get jobs in Japanese companies.
cause I'm this guy >>18445827
With N1 and PhD from one of the 旧帝s I have hopes for the future.

>>18446732
Cool man. I go to a 旧帝 as well. I wish you the best of luck.

>>18446738
It's gonna be a hell of the journey to get it, but I have to try.

Good luck to you too.

>>18435153
I mean he does,but most people want to be in a city, they leave to get away from bumfuck nowhere.

>>18446280
understanding exposure

KONYOKU

>>18446698
is Hokkaido considered a good university?

>>18453961
Hokkaido University***

>>18446698
>If the goal is to get a job in Japan, and you are able to graduate from a Japanese university with N1 and also fluent English skills, then it shouldn't be that difficult

I have a question if you don't mind helping me out.

I'm around the same age as that guy (27) - I speak English, German and Portuguese (only the very basics of Japanese though). I already have a degree but let's just say it's a useless B.A.

Do you think it'd be a better idea to just go to a language school in Japan to learn Japanese and try to find a job or should I start another Degree in Japan?

>>18453961
It's a national university so yeah it should be good. I'm pretty far away from Hokkaido though so I don't really know a whole lot about it.
>>18453994
It's my understanding that having a bachelor's degree is important, not necessarily what you have it in. Obviously if you want to get into a science field then an arts degree probably won't cut it, but if you just want to be a salary man it shouldn't really matter.

>>18453994

Your major doesn’t matter in Japan all that much outside of STEM jobs.

Just go for a year at a language school and see what happens. Worst case you hate it, come back to the states, and have a slightly beefier resume.

>>18454055
>come back to the states

lol mate I'm not American.
I'd be glad to live in the USA if I couldn't live in Japan, but being honest with you, I think the USA is even harder to move to, there are some really draconian laws in place in the USA concerning immigration. Some qualified people get rejected while some illegals are able to stay there for years on end and nothing happens... It's really weird.

Anyway, to answer both of you

>Your major doesn’t matter in Japan all that much outside of STEM jobs.
>>18454041
>Obviously if you want to get into a science field then an arts degree probably won't cut it, but if you just want to be a salary man it shouldn't really matter.

I don't want to get into a science field. Working with anything will do, really... translation, interpreting, travel agencies, anything, I just want to live in Japan and learn Japanese, it's a dream I've had ever since I was a child. I'm looking for the long term here btw, it's something I "have" to do, I've been putting this off for too long and it's the time to act now.

Do you think it's possible to change a student visa into a work visa? (assuming I go to a language school for 2 years as you guys suggested and then find a job there?)

Also, any recommendations for places where I should study Japanese in Japan? Would it be a detriment to go to Tokyo? What if I went to a place like Osaka or Kyoto, would their regional dialects impact on the way I speak when talking to someone from, say, Tokyo?

>>18361273
About three years ago I think.

>>18455443
how come it's so bright at 2am?

>>18456245
It's the Land of the Rising Sun, what did you expect?

>>18437442
I like it anon

>>18456245
>how come it's so bright at 2am?

look at the street lamp brah. it's just a long exposure.

>>18456305

>>18454740
anyone?

>>18453364
Oh shit, I think the humans have realized I'm a bear!

>>18454740
Sorry I was asleep.
It is very possible to change from a student visa to a work visa. Many people do it. You just apply for a change of status or whatever at immigration. You have to prove you have a job etc.
Really, it is up to you on where you study Japanese. If you want to go to maid cafes, and Akiba, and do Otaku shit, then you might want to choose Tokyo. If you just want to experience life in Japan, then you could choose somewhere else. Keep in mind, Tokyo is very expensive to live in compared to many other places. If money isn't an issue, then whatever, but if it is you will probably want to shop around.
In my opinion Tokyo is fun to travel to, but not a place I would want to live.
Dialect shouldn't matter. It's not like they are teaching you the dialect in language schools, they just teach standard Japanese.

>>18460433
>Really, it is up to you on where you study Japanese. If you want to go to maid cafes, and Akiba, and do Otaku shit, then you might want to choose Tokyo.

My admiration of Japan doesn't come from that shit (not trying to be mean if you like those, just giving my opinion).

I'm interested in Japanese history and poems, like the Hyakunin Isshu and the 戦国時代. I want to go to Japan to LEARN JAPANESE and work there and experience life there, not to go to maid cafés and buy manga in fucking Akiba. Granted, that last part is a part of a Japan too but it's something I have no interest in.

So really... I just want to experience life there and be able to prosper, I don't ask for much, life has treated me roughly enough already, I know how to appreciate small things.

Also, if you don't mind me asking
Where in Japan are you?
And one last question - do you think that it's possible to pull off studying at a language school and working part time?

Not all of the time but those 28 hours they allow you to work each week.

I do have the financial means to survive in Japan but I want to work there even if part-time because I'm thinking long-term here, I'd like to find a job in Japan that allows me to stay there after studying in a language school.

I mean if that's too hard I'll just save more money and start another Bachelor's Degree in Japan, I don't care, I'll do what it takes.

>>18460433
>Sorry I was asleep.

no need to say sorry, I'm the one who has to say sorry - I didn't want to sound aggressive, sound if that's how it came out.

>>18460502
No worries.
I am in Fukuoka.
>And one last question - do you think that it's possible to pull off studying at a language school and working part time?
Absolutely. In fact most people work part time. Many people (particularly those not from first world countries) work over the 28 hours a week as well (illegally of course). Also long breaks like summer break and spring break, you can work more than 28 hours a week legally.
The Japanese language schools I know of don't have school all day. It's more like 4 or 5 hours a day (though obviously this probably depends on the school) so you'd have lots of time to work.
When you look for a job for after you finish the language school, you would generally be searching before/after you graduate. I believe a student visa gives you a leeway of a few months to search for work even after you finish school. I'm a student though, not here on a work visa, so I can't give you all the answers.

>>18454740
>>18460502
Why are you such a weeaboo?

You speak like every depressed person that thinks Japan will save them. It'll make things only worse.

New thread

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