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>>18275119
I've been trying to clear that stage for the first time recently. I just got to Yukari's next-to-last spellcard (the one with the planchette) with no lives and bombs left, I lasted about 20-30 seconds and then pichunned. As for the part of the stage in that webm, I can dodge it sometimes but usually I just bomb.

>>18275199
For that section you just got to kill/stay the under the fairies for a as long as possible starting from the left.

I got this a couple of days ago after posting about my crippling tilt.

I timed out Misdirection by mistake trying to reduce the duration of the following waves, but then I fluked Curse of Vlad Tepes, had to use my remaining bombs on Scarlet Shoot and then somehow managed to capture Red Magic.

A thing I noticed is that since I started playing EoSD with the goal of getting a 1cc I've forgotten how to capture Meiling's last two spell cards. It used to be no problem but now it's a guaranteed safety bomb. I think I got to used to playing with a hitbox in the other games.

Fill it up /jp/.

>>18274521
Do you know how to do the misdirection method for LFS? It'd help a lot entering it since you're using MariB.

I`m fairly new to trying to 1ccing the games and I think I`m gonna try TD normal . Are there and tips other than using youmu

>>18275649
Nope. Could you explain it?
Also I have no problems getting to the last third or so of LFS it's just once the red cards come out all I can really do is pray.

MoF seems to be the easiest for me. Most enemy spellcards usually involve micrododging, which is alright because hitbox size is less than in previous games ?

>>18275748
Only works with full power ReimuA/MarisaA/MarisaB. And for MarisaB you want to do the first three phases near the middle of the screen to get off some extra damage from her shot.
After the second yellow wave, you want to misdirect the first purple wave to the left or right before it fires. That way the purple and red waves don't have a weird overlap near the end of the spell.

>>18275696
Using reimu seems better than youmu for newcomers, aswell as watching a video if you have problems with resource gathering

>>18275634
My motivation is E, I'm too lazy to fill it out.

>>18275696
I've 1CC'ed the game with all other characters but Youmu. I'd recommend Reimu or Sanae. You can probably get the most resources with Sanae, but Reimu's pretty good too.

>>18275874
Isn`t sanae`s damage output really bad

>>18275874
>you can get the most resources with Sanae
False. Every shot should get the same amount of resources no matter what you do. Sanae's 'enhanced' trance gain doesn't give her a clear advantage over the other three, especially since the other three are still better than her.

>>18275891
It's not awful, but it's not good either.

>>18275874
in the town of /jp/

>>18276035
Two miss, nice. Where were they?

>>18276035
That is a, pun intended, fantastic achievement. Well done.

What's the proper way to use UFOs? First time playing UFO.
>>18276035
Congrats anon!

>>18275119
I've been procrastinating on a few easy clears (LLS and MoF Normal) that I've almost beaten, final stretch of final phase in the case of MoF. Hard to motivate myself.

>>18276035
Nice fucking work my dude.

I've been playing PCB Hard, trying to 1cc it. For a change of pace I went back to Normal and doubled my highest score on my first run. I also ended with the most lives I've ever ended a PCB Normal run with. I guess I am getting better after all.

Anyone who is at least 6 feet 6 inches tall and who can survive Resurrection Butterfly - 80% without bombing or breaking borders can be a point guard in the NBA.

What kind of stupid shit makes you quit runs or want to? Whenever I die at the start of Stage 3 in LLS I question my existence and instantly quit my run. I don't know why (other than maybe playing irregularly) i keep forgetting that enemies spawn on the bottom corners.

>>18276553
If I die on Stage 1 or 2 I usually just start over. On Extra stages if I die before I reach the boss I usually quit/start over too. I never quit once I've reached Stage 5 though, even if I know I won't be able to complete the game I could at least get a decent enough score to not feel like total trash.

Anyone know what the latest patch for AoCF did?

https://tinyurl..
com/y7v2u3o6

Hello /jp/, wanna put the highest scores among all of you in one convenient place where everyone can view? Fear no more! We can fucking finally see here who has the biggest dic- score. I made this spreadsheet for Touhou general on /vg/. I was wondering whether you guys want to join together. Or want an entirely new sheet all for yourselves. I'm fine either way.

I just need someone that edit the sheet on /jp/'s side because I don't come here often. Please email me at pororocaalien@gmail.com .

>>18276758
*that can edit

I think I'm done for today.

>>18276826
Did you misdirect?

>>18276829
I keep forgetting to. Adrenaline pumping too hard and I couldn't keep things together in my head. UFO fucks with me like no other game does.

>>18276842
It's a tough game and you're using the worst shot, so it's understandable. Just be sure to practice the misdirection method a bit.

>>18276861
Yeah it's the worst shot I've ever played barring PoDD stuff. Even worse than DDC SakuyaB. I'll practice the misdirection more tomorrow. Or maybe later tonight if I feel like it again.

>>18276893
You clearly do not know the horror that is SakuyaSolo in IN then.

>>18276992
But I do.

>>18277040
>blanking out your name

>>18277066
I mean, I at least want to pretend that I'm anonymous on this anonymous imageboard.

>>18277040
>Lunatic SakuyaSolo

You fuckers are way too much, here I was proud over my PCB Hard. But I'll get there one day.

>>18276992
>>18277112
I don't know what made you think someone struggling on lunatic with one of the worst shots in the series in one of the hardest games would compare to your normal 1cc, really, even if the shottype you used is on the same level of crappiness.

>>18277133
Just trying to have conversation anon.

>>18276992
now do it unfocused and with the 9 stages patch

>>18276758
>no PC-98

>>18277282
Let's be real here, there's already so many empty spot in the sheet. I don't want to keep adding more empty spots. Plus, most people doesn’t even play PC-98 games.

I could give you a copy of the spreadsheet and you can change it as you like.

FUCK OFF YOU PIECE OF SHIT BOOKS I SHOULD HAVE GOT FUCKING 5 CAPTURES ALREADY I SHOULD'VE GOT FUCKING 20% BOOKS CAP 2 MONTHS AGO PIECE OF SHIT LEVEL

>>18277418
I GET FUCKING VERTICAL LANES AND I DECIDE TO BE A FUCKING RETARD CHOKING MY LANES OR IT JUST GIVES ME THE LANE WALL RIGHT WHERE I FUCKING AM, AND LANES ON EITHER SIDE OF ME OR IT PUSHES ME TO THE FUCKING CORNER WHERE I JUST DIE FROM THE GREAT WALL OF GENSOKYO

>>18277455
Gensokyo doesn't have a wall, anon.

My chart looks a lot better than the last time I've posted it. Three different lunatic clears in only one week. Even if those clears include PCB and MoF, I'm pretty happy with my progress.

>>18277482
If you can fill all of PoFV you should easily have the raw dodging skill to get through a basic lunatic 1cc in all the games except maybe HRtP. Keep it up anon.

>>18277482
Great work!

>>18277482
That's a great development. My chart's basically remained immobile other than getting my first hard clear. Thinking I might need to take a break or something, because I'm not sure how to motivate myself to complete games I know I can beat.

>>18277535
Are you going backwards in order of release or something? If you want some easy clears at your skill level, try EoSD and MOF. Just think of it as a warmup before you try Hard and the Extra/Phantasm stages. I've been on a PCB grind lately, trying to 1CC Hard and complete Phantasm.

>>18277535
Are you yuyutards the same breed? Stop forcing yourselves for the sake of filling this shitty chart.

>>18277568
>Are you going backwards in order of release or something?
Naw, just kinda playing whatever. HSiFS was my first 1cc though, it's just the easiest. I've been working MoF and LLS, got to the final stretches of both, so I know i can win, it's just been hard for me to keep running the gauntlet. Was working on PCB Extra as well but I cannot for the life of me get past Princess Tenko.

Might try EoSD soon, is there a way to make it any more stable? It usually crashes on me on startup, hell, first time I played it it crashed my computer due to being fullscreen or something.

>>18277596
the chart's fun to fill out, but I really just care about trying to beat every game so I can get better. I only completed HSiFS's chart because I found the game way too fun.

>>18277596
Nice projecting retard.

>>18277598
Princess Tenko is one of Ran's easiest spellcards. You just need to come up with a pattern, since what Ran does entirely depends on your position. I try to go generally in an up-down path diagonally, so that I can get through the butterfly bullets unfocused by going up and down. Just make sure to get out of the way of the stream of bullets she shoots, those are aimed right at you. The spellcard gets a lot easier if you move the same way every time, as you can memorize the motions needed to dodge.

>Might try EoSD soon, is there a way to make it any more stable?
I've never had stability issues with it. As a last resort, you could try running it in compatibility mode for Windows XP. This could negatively affect other aspects, such as performance, input delay. Also, try running it without any patches or modifications if you're using them.

>>18277630
I'll try both of those, thank you. I got the sense that it was a card that's easy when you figure out how to do it (well, I figure that's most of Ran's cards) but I haven't hit it too many times. Might get SpoilerAL and practice it since it's giving me that much trouble.

>>18277596
Why do you assume they're forcing themselves? Different people enjoy the games in different ways.

>>18277644
Have you gotten to Ultimate Buddhist? It's the next spellcard after Princess Tenko and the first one of Ran that gave me a lot of trouble.

How hard is ddc normal 1cc

>>18277706
With SakuyaA it's pretty easy. She slows down enemies and her bomb is good for survival. With the other shot types I always get wrecked by Seija and finished off by Sukuna.

>>18277689
I haven't yet, no.

>pink background
>your projectiles are pink
>pink flower petals everywhere
>enemy projectiles are pink

For what purpose. This is just distracting and hard to see.

>start playing MoF
>google captcha shows 'mountains and hills' for the first time ever instead of usual bridges, road signs and storefronts

really makes you think

I can't play PCB as SakuyaA, her focused speed is fucking sport car-tier, so I often end up ramming bullets when micrododging.

Wow this was pretty damn easy compared to StB, except some scenes in the final day. Well at least I got an ending scene which I didnt get in Shoot the Bullet.

I decided to move up to Hard mode finally and started with HSiFS, eventually the Practice grind on Stage 4 was too much and I decided to try PCB.
Got my first Hard 1CC on my first attempt of a PCB run. Now I finally understand why PCB is considered the easiest game. I even lost two lives to one of Alice's spellcards, the one where the dolls explode aimed bullets at you, but the dolls spawn all the way down either side of the screen as opposed to Normal where they're only on the top.
What's the next easiest game on Hard mode? IN or MoF probably?

>>18280007
HSiFS is easy. You're just stupid trying to do stage 4 practice, probably dont use season and bombs as well. There is a reason they are there.

>>18276613
From what I could see, low quality backgrounds were added and Joon's spritework was fixed up a bit so the inside of the bottom of her coat is orange, as is in her dialogue portraits.

There's most likely more but no changelog (none I could find, at least).

>Error: Our system thinks your post is spam. Please reformat and try again.
No it isn't, get out of here

>>18280097
I don't see much point in practicing if I'm just going to bomb or seasonal release past the gameplay.

>>18279199
dodging books in a nutshell

How THE FUCK do I capture Most Valuable Vajra? The rest of the boss I feel I can grind, but I'm not even getting close to improving on this one. Any tips?

>>18280413
Homing Reimu.

>>18280223
Sure if you enjoy dying endlessly without any progress rather than actually achieve something while improving go ahead, but I dont think you will.
The season and bomb is a part of the game, it is not meant to be not used, you should only do that if you are reasonably good at the game and have cleared everything it has to offer, and want further challenge.
Also most new players are crap at this game not because their reactions are bad, but because they are stupid and dont use their resources effectively.

>>18280640
I use them liberally in a proper playtrough but I don't see much point in Practice mode. The game gives you a ton of lives in Practice so it's not like I can't get through the stage entirely anyway.

>>18280640
This, having a route to bomb and release can help a lot, and if you're going to marathon practice, you should figure out at least the release route, and figure out which spell cards (Magic Sign "Gigantic Pet Bullet Lifeform") you're going to just bomb because it's either not worth the trouble or just too much of a risk.

>>18280668
Stage 4 and above is designed around using seasons though. Whats the point of doing stage practice if you are routing your season.
Stage practice is not even worth it in this game if all you are aiming for is just a clear. You can get that in at most 4-5 runs easily if you have completed Normal mode already.

>>18280737
*if you aren't routing your season

>>18280097
Practicing makes clearing the game more rewarding. I 1cc'd MoF the first time I ever played it with ReimuB just by spamming bombs whenever I encountered any difficult pattern and it was the most unrewarding experience I've ever had in a shooting game because it felt like I didn't earn the skill necessary to actually beat the game.

After a couple years of occasionally trying for a day or two then putting it off, I finally beat TH15's extra today. I had it in my head that this extra was a bit harder than most of the others, and maybe it is, but the difficulty sure varies. Hecatia's moon card as well as Junko's noncards and second card were really the only stuff holding me back. It was just a matter of playing consistently and bringing enough resources to get through them.

Anyone else feel like Hecatia's survival card+last card were sort of letdowns after how hard the rest of the fight generally was?

In comparison, I barely even remember TH16's extra - I think I cleared it in just a day or two. I went to look at the cards on the Wiki just now but I can honestly look at one or two of them and say "yeah, I remember that one". They all look so plain.

After many failed attempts to 1cc EoSD with ReimuB I switched to MarisaB out of curiosity (I just wanted to take a break and unlock practice mode for Marisa too). It was awesome. I played Marisa for the first time and got to mid-boss Sakuya on stage 6. I didn't even use her powerful Master Spark that much, her movement speed is just so much better. Range was pretty shit though but you can't have all nice things after all. Patchouli fight was easier too (seriously, fuck Princess Undine). I think I should focus on 1cc with Marisa. What do you guys think? Is this witch a good choice for beginner? I don't want to rely on Master Spark too much, it feels cheap somehow, but I really liked her speed. Her jokes are better too.

>>18276861
I remembered the misdirect.
I still failed LFS but I remembered it. I'm honestly not even sure how much it helped but I got through. Thank you anon.

>>18281041
Marisa A is better in every way except the bomb, but I too found Patchouli's fight easier with Marisa B.

>>18281111
That also concludes my very constrained goal of "all windows integer game no PoFV FinalB only lunatic 1ccs". I can't find it in me to fill the rest of the boxes for those games so I'll leave that to the other chartfilling anons.

>>18281111
>>18281139
I'm proud of you, my dude. Excellent work, and no problem at all.
LNBs now?

>>18281139
>>18281530
Oh, on closer inspection you already did some LNBs. Please do UFO now!

At which point should I try to do a LNB?

>>18281530
>>18281546
UFO LNB is way out of my league right now. The only ones I can conceivably go for at the moment are LLS, IN Final A, DDC, and HSiFS. Maybe one day when I git gudder.
Not really sure what I'm going to play next but I'll definitely still be playing.

>>18281624
Coolio. Maybe even look into scoring if you have the right mindset.

>>18281622
When you can do a bunch of lunatic clears and have a specific game you just love to play

>>18279199
Learn to properly deathbomb then.

Just for reference, what was your high score for HSiFS extra? I want to know if 173m is good.

>>18282095
Mine is 162m as Reimu. It was from playing normally rather than scoring.

>>18282108
Mine was too, but it was much higher than my previous clears so I was wondering if it was good. (Certainly not for people who are raking in 3 billion points on that stage)

>>18282095
It's not.

>>18282149
Those scores are a few steps above "good," I'd say, but yeah, it's not too great.

I
fucking
HATE
Satono and Mai on Hard mode.

I would have beaten the fucking game had it not been for those fucking cunts taking away my lives. Just two more lives and I would have won. It doesn't help that stages 4 and 5 don't have any obvious "use spring release here" spots so I'm stuck with however many lives I have by the end of Komano's boss fight (+ a couple from score and the one Satono drops).

FUCK.

>>18282329
>Satono and Mai
did you mean "Bomb or die?"

>>18282331
I think he meant "Bomb AND Die".

Awesome.

Those crazy backup niggers can still suck my dick though.

>>18283474
Damn, that blows my scores out of the water.

Anyone here know how to make the games work with dpad?
Diagonal movement is fucked on analog stick and I can't use joy2key because I get fucking ghosting that way.

I did it reddit I 1cced TD on normal. I was fucking up on easy cards because I was sweating but I managed to clutch it with 0 lives and bombs left.


If clearing EoSD with 4 starting lives doesn`t count I guess this is my first legitimate 1cc

>>18283715
Congratulations on your first legitimate 1cc. Keep them coming, anon, I know you can do it. You can probably get through EoSD legitly too.

>>18283715
Upvoted, good job. Have a gold, stranger.

Yeah, only default starting lives and bombs count, but I'm sure you're capable of accomplishing that in EoSD.

>>18283501
Your post made me check what kind of scores the japs were getting but it looks like no one uploaded anything for Hard Spring. Maybe I'm looking at the tables in royalflare wrong but the Hard category for HSiFS is only Summer, Fall and Winter scores.

Does that mean I have a WR?

>>18283884
what's your score and wich shot type did you use?

>>18283884
Royalflare doesn't care about the season for their rankings. For their purposes HSiFS only has 4 shots.

As a side note I had a giggle at the Lunatic Reimu/Cirno/Aya WR holder's comments that say nothing but tell people to go buy eroge. Guy's got his priorities straight even if he picked some less than fantastic games.

>>18284040
>what's your score
see >>18283474
Reimu Spring

>>18284100
Well, maybe not a Royalflare-recognized WR but I ain't seeing anyone with a better score in HSiFS Hard Spring. I guess that's one of those categories that nobody cares about but hey that means no competition.
>buy eroge
>buy
wwwwww

>>18284424
Talk about low hanging fruit. You could get as many WRs as you want if you just make up categories, but where's the fun in that?

Generally speaking, is it harder to do a no-bomb or a no-miss?

>>18284623
That's a very game dependent question

>>18284623
Depends a bit on the game's choke points and the resources it doles out. Lives are inherently easier to lose so NM will typically be more difficult by default. EoSD only gives you two extra bombs so NM is clearly more difficult. In DDC you can bomb to get bombs so that might be easier than NB, or at least easier relative to NM in other games.

And that's it guys. Beside IN solo characters I cleared every Windows shot type on normal. Now it's finally time for Extra and Flan.

>>18284855
>Every shot type
So long as you enjoyed yourself

Is mamizou one of the easy extras I got halfway through her battle on my first try

>>18284881
I always had a harder time with Mamizou, but that's more from the lack of resources provided by TD in general

>>18284881
She's medium-tier compared to the others.
The easiest extras are PCB, IN and MoF.

>>18285119
HSiFS extra is also one of the easiest ones

What is playing for survival? Pacifist?

>>18285612
If you use Reimu it's the easiest Extra. Otherwise I'd say it's at least harder than the 3 the other anon listed.

>>18286068
Regular intended play in which you use bombs and don't care about spell captures, with the goal being to simply lose as few lives as possible and achieve a 1CC.

>>18286068
Ignore score, prioritize safety. Optionally done without bombing. Optionally done without bombing OR dying by the talented and autistic.

>>18286077
>>18286084
Fucking finally an answer. I’ve been asking this question a few times on /vg/. They’re just keep ignoring it like damn faggots. Thanks.

>>18286068
Pacifist is no shooting and no bombing

>>18286095
>/vg/
Yeah obviously. Your question wasn't nearly enough of an inflammatory shitpost to warrant any (You)s on a board like that.

>>18286159
I thought it was more specifically just timing out every spellcard, but I suppose it makes sense that you might as well not kill any stage enemies either.

My first Hard 1CC of any Touhou game, ever. My heart was beating out of my chest towards the end of the Yuyuko fight. I got into that groove where my dodging skill suddenly increases. I almost captured Perfect Ink-Black Cherry Blossom, but I chicken bombed when I should have just kept pushing.
Thank you ZUN for giving Sakuya 4 bombs.

>>18286398
Nice job anon, I just got my first Hard 1CC on PCB yesterday as well. It really does seem like a great to break into Hard mode with.

>>18286398
>but I chicken bombed when I should have just kept pushing.
But hey, you beat the game. And you still have 5 other shottypes to try and capture that spellcard with.

In further things I've done today, I finally cleared UFO on Normal. It came down to the wire though. The only reason I made it is because I did well enough on Shou to have plenty of lives left coming into Stage 6. I hate Byakuren so fucking much.

>>18286427
Thanks. I noticed PCB Hard doesn't seem to be as big of a step up in difficulty as IN Hard, even though I find IN Normal easier than PCB Normal.

how 2 capture Star Maelstrom????

>>18286786
I just bombed on it. It seems like a combination of streaming and being able to dodge the curving lasers.

>>18286786
Capturing Marisa cards?
Sorry, no youkai magicks allowed here. This is a human board.

>>18284497
Can you really call it "made up", though

It's not like it's "fastest usage of a level 4 and a half release in stage 3 in easy mode after having used three level 6 releases consecutively in previous stages beforehand and died two times to the Nemuno midboss in the upper half of the screen while the clock was in the odd numbers"

rollover-all achieved

>>18286947
Different seasons across the same character still share the same high score table in game, so for both in game purposes and Royalflare purposes, "ReimuSpring" is not its individual category.
Again, you can feel free to think you have a WR, just understand that it's neither recognized nor competed in. It's about the same accomplishment as making your own fangame, never releasing it, putting down one score and saying you have a WR in something.

>>18287092
>still share the same high score table in game
That's a fair point actually, I'd forgotten that was the case.

>>18286075
Even with Cirno I find it rather easy, especially considering the survival card is easy, and even skippable if you want.

>>18286068
Just trying to beat the game, basically.

>>18286786
Stay in the middle and close to her, you want to dodge the incoming lasers by moving up and down a little bit. Every now and then she's fire the blue stars, that's when you move a little bit to the left or right and then go back under her once the stars are gone.

>>18286865
It's Byakuren's, not Marisa's,

If i were to restart the chapter in Pointdevice Mode, would i get my power back? I've already lost 2 power while fighting clownpiece and i'm on her 3rd attack. It's not even possible to bomb through the attack i'm stuck in with 2 bombs and there is no way i'm going for the final boss without any bombs

>>18287471
What do you mean by "restart the chapter"?

>>18287579
Nvm, i think that option is only available in stages. I guess i'll just have to power through this one

>>18287471
if I do pointdevice over again I will save literally all my bombs, give or take 1 of them, for clownpiece and junko

if you only have 2 bombs at that point you're really going to have to power through a lot of spells

Is there any strategy for Dream Catcher in LoLK other than staying away from the edges of the screen and gitting gud? Are the paths of the lasers completely random or is there a way to manipulate them? This is the only Doremy spellcard I really have trouble with, along with her last one.

>>18287665
>Are the paths of the lasers completely random or is there a way to manipulate them?
Yes, the way they move is always the same, however due their spawn point being based on your position makes it look like it's completly random; try positioning yourself at the same spot everytime so you can develop a safe rute for the spell

Clownpiece just won the honor of being the first boss to make me scream out loud in rage.

>>18287910
Yeah, she does that. Some of her cards on normal are harder than their Lunatic versions.

>>18287910
>>18288028
It took me probably some 3-400 deaths to beat her, but I never screamed in rage. I knew I'd beat her eventually if I kept at it... so that's what I did. Maybe I have better self-control then some people, or maybe I'm just more used to needing to keep trying at things to succeed for it to get to me. Didn't mean it didn't take several hours or that I didn't get frustrated at times, though.

How do I do Junko's 4th non-spell on Normal? I need to save my bombs for the last few spellcards. I can almost do it by staying near the bottom and not moving much, but I inevitably get hit.

>>18288321
I've never screamed at any other Touhou game. LoLK, because of Pointdevice mode, plays more like a Kaizo Mario World hack or IWBTG than your typical danmaku game.

>>18288364
I mean, that's fine IMO. Just accept that the game is going to be like that if you play it and isn't going to be like a traditional game, or don't play it.

Ah yeah, that non-spell is a bitch honestly. I wouldn't stay towards the bottom, I learned that a bit below the middle is better. It's really difficult to see what's going on, it sort of fucks with your eyes. The way I did it is to move into the incoming bullets(from the top)before they line up with eachother, then move back into the back row dodging that one. It gets pretty fast towards the end and can be fairly difficult, this one killed me more than most. Just keep trying.

>>18288398
I actually got through that non-spell just now. I stayed at the bottom and moved left and right towards Junko so that the reflected bullets wouldn't hit me. I'm on her next to last spell "Overflowing Blemishes" now. Thanks for the advice though.

>>18287910
I do that all the time, specially when dying for stray bullets.

Never get cocky playing touhou
It's a bad idea to get cocky playing touhou

>>18289035
I know it's a bad idea but I still do it and get punished for it. I'm really bad about thinking I can collect every item outside of bosses, and then I die from bumping into a fucking fairy. Not a bullet, but a goddamned fairy.

>>18289113
not as bad as hitting a bullet with your ass

>>18289035
Yeah, that happens to me all the time when I just want to play more relaxed and do a MarisaB MoF run. I get too cocky and end up dying more than normal.
>>18289113
>>18289245
Also this, and because I usually play with Marisa, when I change to another character I end up stopping just before the PoC because of the lower speed.

>>18289245
I think hitting a fairy is worse. Somehow it feels more humiliating.

>>18287600
Thats why I said Legacy is easier than Pointdevice.

>>18289700
depends on difficulty.

>>18289924
depends on shottype .

>>18289952
depends on game

>>18289971
depend on 2hu

>>18290119
depend on me

how hard is SA anyway is it the hardest to 1cc

>>18290326
Certainly to me, if only because it lacks a Reisen or Sanae from LoLK to make it easy for you.

Wow I actually beat Hecatia+Junko. Even when I can't dodge their tight non spell for shit.
Thanks Reisen.

Does importing water from China, Japan, or specific parts of Europe help touhou skill?

I might import a bottle from the Netherlands just as a placebo if it really doesn't help.

>>18291527
I hear if you keep a bag of sand from Sahara in your pocket while you play it helps you dodge rain.

>>18291527
I pay about $100 per litre for some real fancy water shaved off the arctic ice caps or some shit. Can confirm it makes me better at Touhou. I couldn't beat Fairy Wars on Normal a few weeks ago but I started practicing every day while drinking that water and I found myself steadily getting better over time. Now I can beat Fairy Wars on Hard and I'm getting better at Lunatic every day.

>>18291527
No, but I heard tropical flavored juice works.

I'm a newbie and been trying to play through Touhou starting with Koumakyou. I've averaged maybe one try a week since last summer and I've never gotten farther than Sakuya on normal, and that's using up all my continues. Aside from simply playing more and bombing more, are there any good tips for a scrub simply looking to clear the game? Only thing I don't want to do is look at other people's playthroughs, it'd be fun if I could get through the games on my own.

>>18293764
>I've averaged maybe one try a week
You're not going to get anywhere like that.

Also, hold shift for focused movement.

>>18293775
Yeah I hold shift. Still spazz out and accidentally fly into Meiling's crystals often though.

Favorite boss fight so far is Patchouli, the music and her phases go really well together.

>>18290326
I haven't really played legacy mode on LoLK so I can't compare, but of all the rest of the Windows games it's definitely a lot harder. The only Windows games I haven't 1CC'ed (once again, excluding LoLK Legacy Mode) are SA and PoFV. I haven't really made an effort to complete PoFV, the computer enemies are total bullshit.

>>18293781
Meiling's attacks mostly require skill to dodge. She's a Stage 3 boss so it's not a high level of skill, but it's hard for a beginner. The ones that aren't random you can semi-memorize, it's mostly just making a lot of small movements in one direction to slip through one wave of bullets, and then doing the same in another diirection. I find this easier to do on a gamepad than a keyboard, but I'm apparently in a minority here.

>>18293764
Play LoLK Marisa LNMNBNF. Practice more. One try a week is literally useless. For starters is good trying to beat the game using continues, but do not rely on them. Extra mode only opens up when you beat the game with 1cc, keep that in mind.

>>18293830
Yeah I sometimes make it unscathed and I've seen that you're supposed to fly in this slow zig zag through the set waves. My inputs on the keyboard are simply too sloppy and I get hit, though.

I tried gamepad once and it was actually nice for those slow diagonal moves, but my thumb got really tired from having to hold down that focused movement button.

>>18293860
It'd be nice if I learned to 1cc the games on normal sometime, since I do want to get the normal endings.

>Play LoLK Marisa LNMNBNF
Why? I'd rather play the games in order (disregarding PC-98).

>>18293764
Try Doing a run a day, or just more than one run per day you try (if you end up with seven tries a week, that's still low but it's something.) if you only do one try a week you won't get anywhere.

>>18293875
>Play LoLK Marisa LNMNBNF
He's joking. If you're just starting you're not going to do a Lunatic no-miss no-bomb no-focus run.

>>18293764
>Only thing I don't want to do is look at other people's playthroughs, it'd be fun if I could get through the games on my own.
Well you are already asking here, it isn't very different. Just watch a replay, it's not like it will insta clear your game or anything.

>>18293938
I guess watching parts I've already cleared wouldn't be an issue. Wouldn't want to watch an entire playthrough though.

I finally beat MoF, using Marisa B. Though I didn't really abuse the 3.00 power glitch on purpose, it doesn't feel legitimate.

opinions?

>>18293764
I know you said "aside from bombing", but really that is going to be the biggest difference. I see in your other posts that you say you often lose a life due to dumb mistakes on Meiling, well it would seriously make a world of difference for you if you just bombed past whatever pattern Meiling is catching you with rather than taking the large risk of trying to capture it.

There isn't much special advice to give beyond that unless you have specific patterns that are giving you alot of trouble, or that you aren't understanding.

>>18293890
>He's joking. If you're just starting you're not going to do a Lunatic no-miss no-bomb no-focus run.
*with the worst character/shottype in the game

>>18294151
Turn off spellcheck.

>>18294151
Seems pretty agreeable to me.

>>18294151
For me the hardest bosses are
Stage 1: Nazrin, Yamame
Stage 2: Parsee, Ringo
Stage 3: Yuugi, Doremy
Stage 4: Tsukumo Sisters, Sagume
Stage 5: Orin, Seija
Stage 6: Byakuren, Junko (Note: I don't have enough experience with Utsuho to rate her difficulty)
Extra: Hecatia, Raiko (I haven't cleared either of these Extra stages but I have tried them enough to know how hard the bosses are)

>>18294210
Also I should mention that this list is for Normal/Hard. I can't do Lunatic yet.

While I'm at it, here is the list of easiest bosses for me:
Stage 1: Rumia, Yuyuko
Stage 2: Mystia, Hina
Stage 3: Keine, Aunn
Stage 4: Narumi, Patchouli (ReimuA)
Stage 5: Futo, Sanae, Sakuya (tie between Sanae & Sakuya)
Stage 6: Kanako, Yuyuko
Extra: Okina (Reimu), Ran

Can we all scientifically agree that Mai and Saitono Danmaku is the toughest of all stage 5 bosses?

>>18294295
even ZUN agrees with their damaku being plain hard and unfunny

>>18294069
Just use ReimuB. It's pretty much the same except you're a bit slower.

>>18294302
He only said that about Dance Sign "Behind Festival" which is complete bullshit yes

Also danmaku isn't supposed to be funny

>>18294151
>opinions
Yuugi lower, Alice higher, what does Aunn bad final even mean it seems pretty consistent, ReimuB Patchy lower, MarisaB Patchy lower, Murasa higher, Sakuya below Clownpiece and Mai&Satono, Orin lower, Byakuren above the two low Okinas, Utsuho lower, Sukuna higher, Flan lower.

>>18294316
Funny you should say that. I did a much better job than on Marisa B. On both shots I didn't even get hit during the final spell. I feel like I've seen the True Man's World with that final card. That was fucking intense, it might be my favorite so far.

>>18294323
>Also danmaku isn't supposed to be funny
Playing danmaku games is a joke though?

>>18294323
>Also danmaku isn't supposed to be funny
Say that to pic related.

>>18294151
lunatic no No (NO) (FUCKING SHIT)

>>18294323
I'm sure he talked about her non-spells being unfunny and hard to dodge

why do you play any game other than for fun?

>tfw filthy music and doujin secondary
>can never get into any bullet hell/danmaku game ever
suffering

>>18294151
NOVICE QUESTION: What the (N) and (FS) means?

>>18294401
Start with Easy mode. It can be disheartening to start on Normal mode and get wrecked in the first two stages. Once you can clear Easy, then move on up to Normal.
If you can't clear Easy mode, then try setting smaller goals, like reaching a certain stage, or improving on whatever your highest score is. Just focus on some kind of metric you can use to see your improvement to give yourself some motivation to keep pushing.

>>18294429
>easy mode
what sorcery is this

>>18294429
>>18294434
also i have rage issues with hard games, not to say i didnt enjoy my rage but ive stopped playing super hard games nowadays

>>18294405
(N) means omitting another survival factor, for example releases in HSiFS and borders broken in PCB.

FS means full spell, meaning you captured all the spells in the game, most fitting for IN.

>>18294451
That's a shame. You are missing out.

If it's any incentive, the music isn't there just to sound good, but usually corresponds to what's happening on screen. They are tied together. It's an experience that can only be acquired and understood while playing the game and not through the music itself.

>>18294451
I used to be the same, I used to swear out loud all the time when losing lives and rage quitting all the time but nowadays I don't let the game get the best of me. If you're having a hard time then take a break and do some breathing excercises, going with a terapist also helped me a lot to fix my rage issues while playing.

>>18294369
Funny isn't a synonym of fun. The games are fun, but they're not funny.

>>18294512
I don't know how people can enjoy the music without listening in game first, during a fight/stage.

>>18294512
This, ZUN music is pretty good on it's own, but once you've experienced the gameplay segments the music was designed to go with, is when it becomes godtier.
I made the noob mistake of listening to TD's ost when the game launched before I had actually played through the game at all, so I didn't enjoy the ost all that much. After playing TD fully it's up there as one of the best Touhou osts.

>>18294553
technically yes, but don't you find danmaku amusing or even exciting?

>>18294744
You are trying to save face when you really shouldn't lol

>>18294744
take the L dude

how many posts of these are ZM posts

>>18294800
Metroid: Zero Mission?
I'd estimate none.

>>18294744
amusing and exciting don't mean funny

give me your ABSOLUTE, BESTEST strategies for clownpiece's survival spellcard, beg you

>>18294899
Which one?

Just got my first 1CC of DDC with ReimuA, before I'd only cleared it with SakuyaA which some of you told me was easy mode. Sukuna is definitely one of my favorite Stage 6 boss fights.

>>18294899
>Hell Eclipse
You want to stay on the bottom left of the screen as much as possible. When the moon goes along the bottom of the screen, stay right beneath it and follow it up and to the left a bit, and then slip through the winders when the moon gets close to the very left side of the screen. Keep in mind you'll have to be dodging random (?) stars the whole time. If you get caught on the right side of the screen, then unless you're really good at dodging while going above the boss you're dead.

>Fake Apollo
Chase the three moons as close as possible. Towards the end you'll have to weave through the purple bullets really quickly, which is fucking difficult. I usually bomb at this point. If you make it to the last cycle around Clownpiece, the moons stop before they reach the bottom left so if you stay there and dodge you can finish it off that way.

>>18294899
Dodge the bullets.

>>18294941
Appreciate that Fake Apollo response, thank you!

>>18294952
If it doesn't work, don't blame me. I got the strategies from the Touhou Strategy Wiki. If you can read Japanese then it's a great resource. Some of the strategies are kind of vague or feel incomplete however, but that's to be expected from a Wiki.

doing books for a week murdered my remi reading, can't even do meister, vi, sg anymore, to think someone like me was once confident and got nn remi is beyond me.

reminder to never play books unless you can get 500m

Does grazing in MoF even do anything?

>>18296026
It has a visual effect and makes a noise, but nothing else.

On one hand, I'm happy to have a lunatic clear in this game, but on the other I feel it isn't as impressive due to the shot I chose. Eventually I'll come back and clear lunatic with like ReimuA or something, but for the time being I'm satisfied.

I lost. I lost a fucking Remilia fight with 6 lives. It was my best run and I screwed up badly. I can't believe my own shittyness.

>>18298753
>>18298753
Is that the hitbox patch? Get out

>>18298772
Do you see any hitbox being shown there? Retard.

>>18298772
Obviously not.
>>18298753
What difficulty was that? It sucks but it happens.

>>18298753
You literally had 19 bombs man. That's what you get for using retexture patch.

>>18298799
Normal. I'm currently trying to do my first 1cc. I was very close several times, but always screwed up somewhere. This time I took a very stupid action (flied to PoC after Scarlet Netherworld and was hit by very simple knife non-spell. Literally never happened before). My fighting spiring received a crippling blow and everything went to shit afterwards.

>>18298839
>spiring
Spirit of course. Even my spelling is weird now.

>>18298839
I believe in you anon. I know you'll get it.

>>18298839
It happens anon. There's also nothing wrong with the retexture patch or hitbox patch unless you're some 500m pndlist member, of which no one in this thread is.

Take a break if you need to.

>>18298839
If you start fucking up that late in the game, do NOT be afraid to start bombing. You get at least 2 free each life, there's no reason to not use them and they can save your run. It's good to have an attitude of dodging bullets as that's generally how you improve(by challenging yourself and having discipline), but it's not worth sacrificing your run for. There's always practice mode for general dodge practice. When playing the actual game, no holds barred.

>>18299076
Not that it means too much but I'm pretty sure deplore posted here a few times.
You're that guy that's been grinding EoSD ReimuA LNB for months now aren't you? Don't project your inadequacies onto others.

>>18299076
>There's also nothing wrong with the retexture patch or hitbox patch unless you're some 500m pndlist member, of which no one in this thread is.
No. Also stop projecting.

Retexture patch is akin to adding HD textures to something like DOOM . It jarring and gross, but that is my ultimately my personal opinion.
Hitbox patch on the other hand will invalid all your runs because you adding something that wasn't their originally. Stop using it and realize the game is meant/plays without it.

>>18299076
Pretty sure a couple of posters here from time to time are on pnd.

>>18299151
Assuming you're correct here, the only real inadequacies are those of attitude. If he isn't talented enough to easily clear the game, then his determination is all he needs to be able to eventually do so. Would you try to deny him even that? Though I find it unlikely you'll succeed, as people have a way of not giving up once they're determined to do something, as your own words demonstrate, again assuming your assumption is correct.

True potential, no matter how it may vary from individual to individual, can't be achieved until one has such determination to keep trying no matter what, knowing they will succeed eventually. We are naturally imperfect creatures and some are more imperfect than others. This has the side effect of making talent useless in sociological applications. It only proves worth in some practical ones; but true strength comes from within.

For if you were to place yourself in a similar position, trying to attempt to do something that to you that is very difficult, you would not be in any different of a position, and it would only be your attitude that would draw the difference between failure or ultimate success. Difficulty is ultimately subjective, not objective. To judge another without true understanding or consideration is imprudent and spells arrogance. Would you believe yourself to be God, to place yourself above others? But as you place yourself above others, so will others place themselves above you, for if that is the game you play, you will find that it only places a void between you.

>>18299076
>There's also nothing wrong with the retexture patch or hitbox patch
There's plenty wrong with both of those.

>>18299304
Wow. Thanks for class lecture.

Get out.

>>18298839
Don't be afraid to bomb, especially if you get to her with 6 lives. You're just trying to get your first 1cc, so it doesn't need to be a particularly graceful one. As long as you get to the end, you're good. If you think you might get hit, smash that motherfucking x key.

>>18299332
Cry about it, you little bitch. What are you going to do? Judge me?

>>18299304
What the fuck is this post

>>18294800
None.

>>18299304
You couldn't have made my "assumption" more correct with a sperg post like this.
>>18299346
Not him, but I hope to enjoy your bitching about EoSD for months to come.
>>18277418
>>18277455

>>18299392
I'm not the person you think I am, but I am autistic, yes. But my post is perfectly understandable and you are only demonstrating further that you are a needlessly judgemental and arrogant person.

>>18298753
Is that with default lives?

>>18299392
Also, I've already beaten EoSD. See chart.

>>18299076
I'm really surprised at the use of "500m pndlist member" as an adjective.

That being said, hitbox patch is always invalid. One of the many staples of EoSD is that you can't see your hitbox, and if you can't learn to dodge without it then you're, to put it bluntly, a scrub.

>>18299474
Here's one thing I don't really understand about this: Something that comes in every game afterwards, is generally seen as acceptable there and noted as important to be able to aptly dodge boolats especially in later difficulties... and yet, somehow, it's not okay in EoSD just because it isn't vanilla.

And on the other side of the fence, you have things such as modifying(increasing)the number of lives you start with in some of the earlier games... it's considered invalidating of your run, even though it's a vanilla option and accordingly modifies your score.

It's almost like the community is trying it's best to make it as difficult as possible to get a valid score for players or something. In a game that is already widely considered by most to be difficult.

>>18299497
The hitbox patch makes the game easier. It is not in the original game. Any runs using it are invalid.

EOSD generally does not have the bullet density of IN or of cards like Knockout in Three Steps. And even if it did, it wouldn't matter because the hitbox mod makes the game easier so it is a cheat tool.

>>18299497
ZUN added in the visible hitbox for the later games so yes, it's appropriate to make use of that in those games where the creator of the game put them in himself.

But in EoSD, no. ZUN didn't give you a visible hitbox so you're not allowed to see your hitbox. That's just how it is.

>>18299497
What do you mean by 'valid score'? Getting said score is entirely dependent on the player, not the community.

>>18299497
There's nothing conflicting about those two things at all. Anything that's different than default that gives you a competitive advantage is invalid. Both the hitbox patch and more than default starting lives are not default, thus invalid. The only gray area is vpatch, but that's a whole another can of worms I'd rather not open right now.

>>18299535
Input lag is caused by newer operating systems. Vpatch is as close to original default as possible

>>18299509
If it actually modifies the hitbox, e.g. makes it smaller? In that case, I can understand it, then.

If not, I still can't. I understand what you're saying that the lack of a visible hitbox isn't as big of an issue because the game generally isn't as dense, and it is true that having a visible hitbox does make the game easier, but it is actually in fairly understandable ways. Having a visible hitbox gives the player a good idea much more immediately of what kind of movements they can make without getting hit instead of having to become intimately familiar with the game so as to innately understand where the hitbox actually is through practice and experience. The problem isn't that the lack of one won't hurt you that badly if you are already somewhat experienced at the game, but more that it will hurt you if you are actually new to it. Basically, the people who it doesn't hurt are already experienced enough for it to not matter and they are being strict, unreasonable traditionalists to newbies about it.

>>18299542
This. It'd only be cheating if it removed input lag from the PC-98 titles, where it is built in.

>>18299563
You admitted it makes the game easier. That's all it takes. Hitbox runs are not valid.

What do you mean that if I increase the starting lives and bombs to max in DDC, that's cheating?

That's so mean and unfair of you guys, think of the newbies

>>18299582
I think they should be considered in their own vein of valid. As in a separate scoreboard if that's what it comes to. It's true that it's easier and it's not vanilla but I disagree that it makes it invalid. The game is still as hard as before in technicality, it's just that it's easier to read exactly what's going on by using just your eyes. There's clearly a reason ZUN added a visible hitbox after EoSD.

It's like using Hidden in a rhythm game. It's not going to make an experienced player spit, but it will fuck over newer players hard.

>>18299629
>The game is still as hard as before
>it's just that it's easier

Reimu and Marisa's sprites are designed to make it relatively easy to know where the hitbox is. It's in the direct center of the bows on their back, where the ribbon is tied into a ball.
It's like adding laser sights in a shooting game that doesn't feature them by default. An important skill in the base game is able to tell where bullets will travel based on where your gun is pointing or where enemies are facing/point their guns. Laser pointers "only" make it easier for new player to tell where the bullets will go, sure, but no matter how you construe it, it's effectively removing a skill that is a part of the intended gameplay.

>>18299615
Can you actually increase starting bombs? I never saw a 2hu where you can do that.

>>18299668
I was about to call you rude names, but then I checked and the only 2hu in which you can alter starting bombs - EoSD - starts you off at the maximum of 3 anyway. So no, I guess you can't increase starting bombs in any of them.

>>18299668
I thought IN let you do that but actually I misremembered and it doesn't.

Still though, IN lets you increase your starting lives so what do you mean it's cheating if I use external tools to replicate the effect in a game where such a thing is not natively supported because you're not be supposed to be doing that shit? THINK OF THE NEWBIES!

>>18299615
It literally makes no difference on scoreboards because of the score capping; nobody who increases their lives or bombs is going to get any score worthy of pissing at. I was just pointing at the irony of being a hard traditionalist and saying a traditional thing is fine because it makes the game harder and then, at the same time, pointing at a traditional thing and saying that it's invalid because it makes it easier and not harder. My point is that it's only the community's nuances of going down hard on newbs that encourage this kind of strict thinking. It is not in fact traditionalism but strict conservatism disguised as traditionalism that's lead to the prominence of this kind of thinking.

Now I'm not saying that's wrong. It provides a solid base to work with for scoring. But I think it's important to note that this kind of thinking is unwilling to consider, in detail, the validity of a player's achievements because it is so strict and unwilling to compromise. It's simple strictness which creates it's effectiveness is also what, in turn, creates the narrow-minded kind of thinking associated with such. There is a very wide variety of ways you can make these games easier or harder, and to invalidate them without taking a strong objective look at them just feels unfair.

It's that which encourages the community to essentially be what it is and what posters in here have sometimes demonstrated it to be: A cynical, strict community with a lot of assholes. The simple effectiveness of scoring strictness may be what it may, but I simply can't agree with having such a hard-headed methodology which basically encourages people to be assholes.

>>18299668
It's in the options menu in 6-8. I thought the option disappeared after that, though.

Why won't Eiki fucking die in PoFV? I get her down to her last life and then the game goes on for 10 minutes until I die.

>>18299742
Tldr

Cheat tools are cheating. Keep complaining about how "mean" people are

>>18299757
"I won't read this so I can exude a sense of superiority. Furthermore, you can't evade my circular logic!"

FTFY

>>18299777
Who are you quoting?

>>18299742
>>18299777
Just because you are a baby, doesn't mean others have to be as well. What the hell do you think easy mode is for?
Get Out. And look in the mirror sometime.

>>18299756
She will only last three minutes tops iirc. Try to not die before episode 6 and conserve lives.

>>18299777
Who are you quoting, hitbox patch runs are not valid

Is vpatch cheating?

>>18299810
You either didn't read or didn't understand anything I said at all.

>>18299805
My clear chart is above, check it if you wish.

Look in the mirror how, exactly? I'm an asshole for pointing out an objective truth about the community?

If trying to explain my own version of what I see means I'm an asshole, then I'm guilty as charged.

>>18299756
PoFV is "the game cheated" taken to its most extreme. Eiki is the embodiment of this. On Lunatic she can last well over 20 minutes on her last life, it's literally better just run into bullets and kill yourself to get to Round 2 on Shiki so she'll start dying.

>>18299817
No because it's fixing a problem created by newer operating systems being incompatible with the games. It's not changing how the games are intended to be played, in fact it's allowing people to play the games the way they are intended to be played.

>>18299817
Yeah I was curious about this as well. This is how my game looks like on Windows 7. Am I not supposed to have legible text?

>>18299836
No one cares, keep whining

>>18299836
I read your post. Your whole thing on irony is unfounded because the mechanics aren't being kept or discarded because of "traditionalism", but just because it's different than the default settings. No hitbox isn't fine because it's a "traditional" thing, it's how the game came out of the box. Changing starting lives isn't bad because it makes it harder, it's because it's different than the default settings. I'd even argue that having lower than default resources makes a run invalid. Just get the game, hit the "set to default" button and go. It's not "strict" - you can choose to ignore this if you want, just expect to be shunned- it's not hard to understand and not worth this discourse.

a thing can only be cheating/invalidating when competing with or comparing accomplishments with someone else.

saying there's "nothing wrong" with a hitbox patch is misleading/inaccurate, but if a dude wants to mod his game and doesn't post accomplishments as if they were made without the mod, then it's whatever.

regardless, a hitbox patch isn't a great recommendation because the player hitbox is the easiest hitbox to learn. you're still going to get fucked up a bunch learning bullet hitboxes. i suppose it could be useful for a few hours for the newest of players, but after that it's probably just a mental crutch.

>>18299756
Because PoFV is trash.

>>18299910
I remember trying the hitbox patch once and if I recall correctly the visible hitbox isn't even perfectly synced with the "true" hitbox anyway. So I wouldn't even recommend it to people who want an easier experience. It's better to just learn where the hitbox is on the character sprite.

>>18299817
It is if you're talking about jap high score tables which demand the game be pure, 100% vanilla if you want to submit your scores, which is understandable.

Most people won't take it as cheating though as it doesn't change anything in the game, just how the game interacts with your computer (ie it makes the game not freak out when it notices it's in the future).

>>18299920
damn. if so, that's both hilarious and terrible.

>>18299880
No it's not.

That's strange. You are suppose to have legible text. Make sure EoSD is a clean EoSD and configure it well in the vpatch.ini

Thread's a lot more viscous than usual today, isn't it? I think it's fair to say that the hitbox patch makes it easier than without, so there's no way you can argue that the game is just as hard as before unless you've already memorized your hitbox, which makes the patch irrelevant. It could be useful for practicing, sure, but you really should beat EoSD without it.

>>18299817
No, see >>18299542

Alright guys, cleared some games using vpatch and though people would call them invalid.
Thanks for the answers

>>18300011
>Thread's a lot more viscous than usual today, isn't it?
It's just that someone posted porn earlier, I promise I'll clean up later.

Nice way of escaping the discussion without having to address what people told you, by the way.

>>18300030
That was my first post in all this, sorry about the spelling.

>>18299509
>The hitbox patch makes the game easier

I disagree dude, it's literally an inaccurate hitbox.

>>18299915
Personally I enjoyed. Frustrating at times sure, but I get over it quickly.
Luntiac difficully AI is cheating to win. But it's not as bad once you get the hang of how everything works
Normal and Extra is actually pretty easy, again once you get a grasp of stuff works.

Netplay is fun (when it works as it should).

What am I supposed to do on EoSD stage 5 hard mode? Do I have to stand still for the big fairies and move slightly to the left and right? I don't get it. They just appear and suddenly my screen is full of bullets and it's like, "HOW".

I feel like I'm figuring the game out slowly only to get blocked by some crazy "I'm not Japanese enough for this" shit.

>>18300185
Just watch a replay. You can cheese the opener by staying at the top of the screen at all times and doing exactly what you said - slightly move out of the way of every wave. Rest of the stage is too annoying to explain with words.

>I'm not Japanese enough for this
People here clear lunatic just fine and most likely none of us are Japanese. Don't blame your birth country, you're just bad. It's okay to be bad. You just have to get better.

>>18300185
kill fairies before they have the chance to shit up the whole screen, second half works if you stand still and move just when needed. Adiotionally don't try to PoC uunless you know it's safe

>>18300160
What are some tips for beating this game? Both for campaign and for netplay. Also, if I die once does that ruins the 1cc or how many lives do I have?

>>18300185

reimu's face is melting

>>18300297
Assuming you mean normal difficulty.

You have 3 "lives" starting off on the left, if those deplete then no longer becomes a 1cc and have the option to continue. The "lives" on the top are for that particular round. The amount you lose are tied to how late you are in the round. Lose that round you lose a life from the default 3.

Play defensively wait for them to attack first. Hold of charges for only level 2 or level 3 attacks (use level 2 mostly). level 1 for bosses and lily whites if you have a shot (some characters are better for this than others). Learn how to activate the spirits, and destroy them without destroying yourself so you can get a score bonuses/spell attacks and reflect some bullets back. Use Level 4 attacks when you see a "G" power up from fallen lily whites and bosses. Don't EVER bomb unless you know the cpu is about to die and it's a last resort. (time limit wise not from the cpus actual remaining lives)

Episodes 1-5 will only last around a minute. Episodes 6-8 can last from 2 to 3 minutes. For the TLB, its better to just survive as long as you can until you lose one life. After that she will die after the 3 minute mark. If you lose a life again, she will die just under 3 minutes. Try no to lose a lifes before Episode 6. Try to only lose life for 6-8. That should give you enough lives for TLB. You get more lives at 10, 30, 50, 70, and 90 million points. Every 5 million for extra.

I've only successfully played netplay once. So i'm not experienced against other players (I got my ass beat mostly). Get Adonis 1.50a for netplay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1RzTArt4es

>>18300482
>Try to only lose life for 6-8*
Try to only lose one life for each episode (7-8) I mean, not 6-8.

>>18300482
>The "lives" on the top are for that particular round. The amount you lose are tied to how late you are in the round.
You can just call that "health" you know

easy game lol

Anyone know how to mod HSiFS releases into EoSD?
This game is too hard, but since the newest game has this mecahnic I figured it would be alright to use it, I guess.

>>18300567
you'll probably need to make the system from scratch due being two different engines

>>18300297
1CC stands for 1 Credit Clear. A credit is used up when you Continue after a Game Over. (Think of having to insert an extra coin into the arcade machine in order to keep playing.) It doesn’t matter how many lives you use up as long as you don’t run out and get hit, which causes a Game Over.
Beating the game without losing any lives is a kind of self-imposed challenge some people do, called a no-miss clear.

>>18300567
I like how you say it like modding is the easiest thing in the world. Like you just snap your fingers and suddenly EoSD has seasonal releases, Pointdevice, PoC item pickups, spirits, UFOs, life shards upon spellcard capture, MoF's shitty power system, multiplayer, super long deathbomb window and cherry barriers.

OK after getting my first 1CC with her, I think Youmu in TD might be the best shot type in the game. She made the stages ridiculously easy and was good against bosses as well once I got used to her focused shot. She's pretty good in IN as well, I hope ZUN makes her playable again in a future game.

I just got my ass kicked by Scarlet Meister. Maybe I would have had it if I didn't lose a couple lives on Stage 5.

>>18300622
>>18300665
He’s mocking the guy who said hitbox patch is a legitimate way to play the game

>>18300622
>>18300665
/jp/ is serious as fuck, lol. Y'all some fucking dorks.

>>18300297
the strategy page on the wiki is bad. ignore it. read the gameplay page though.

some pellets are random, other are aimed. the game becomes easier if you incorporate streaming/tap-dodging into your movement.

you are momentarily invincible after casting a spell. this includes charge attacks. this is especially useful in crossing lines of eikidogs. charge attacks are also useful in general: they're more powerful, and they cause normal spirits to reflect pellets (which otherwise only happens in a chain or with activated spirits).

your spell can get eaten by the game if you cast one as your opponent is casting one. if you continue to hold z until the screen returns to normal (after the spell notification ends), your spell will not be eaten.

when things get hectic, make sure to unfocus every second or two. up to four lines of fairies can be onscreen at a time, but you have to be unfocused for the second/third/fourth line to appear. if you stay focused, only one line of fairies will be onscreen at a time, and another line will spawn only when the screen is completely empty of fairies.

youmu is the most fun.

>>18300482
>Play defensively wait for them to attack first.
not exactly. not reflecting pellets will keep things less hectic at first, but things will get hectic eventually so this becomes a secondary concern - something to only do if it's safe and won't mess up your chain/spell points.

instead, learn to manage your spell points (aka bpoints) and cross the 100k, 300k, or 500k threshold shortly after your opponent launches a boss attack, as this will cancel the boss attack and launch one of your own. if you're playing for a clear (or against a human) and not for score, let your combo meter deplete when necessary to set yourself up for further boss cancels at 100/300/500k. you'll get better at this as you get a feeling for how quickly your combo gauge depletes, how to set up good chains, how points increase more quickly as rounds go on, and how to focus to activate spirits and use them to keep chains going when fairies are sparse (and how to use activated spirits to reflect nearby pellets for defense).

as you play more, you'll also get a better feeling for when the ai should be approaching 100/300/500k, although it's also good to quickly peek at the ai's spell points every so often when it's safe to do so (and this is the only way to really know a human opponent's spell points). you'll also want to use your peripheral vision to keep tabs on when your opponent is charging its spell gauge. doing these things will give you advance warning of boss attacks; this way, you can already be in the process of cancelling it before it shows up on your screen.

>Hold of charges for only level 2 or level 3 attacks (use level 2 mostly).
never use level-three spells against the ai, and only use them against human opponents when they're better than your character's level-two spells. level-four spells (boss attacks) are useful in cancelling ai boss attacks when you can't quickly reach 100/300/500k. level-two spells should only be used against the ai when doing so is necessary to avoid taking a hit or to keep a chain going (or when playing for score) because your opponent will reflect some of the pellets from your spell back to your screen.

>Don't EVER bomb unless you know the cpu is about to die and it's a last resort.
no. bombing is situational; it's only bad when you bomb and take a hit afterward. bombing leaves you without any charge - and thus without a charge attack, which is an important defensive option - but if you can survive until you get your level-one charge back then bombing was a good idea. bombing is also always better than dying, too.

>Use Level 4 attacks when you see a "G" power up from fallen lily whites and bosses.
just bomb. and you don't need to, either.

>androgynous but grown man tears up because he couldn't dodge the bullets
Somehow it felt really good to see him struggle after proclaiming SanaeB would just make it """too easy""". Getting all pissy and almost breaking out crying was just gravy. God forbid he actually has to try for once.

>>18301238
Who are you quoting?

>>18301238
Your insecurities are pouring out like syrup on hotcakes, Anon.

>>18301238
I don't know what your beef is with him, but you should probably lay off. He's done nothing harmful to anyone, so there really is no need to derail this thread just to mock him like a petty fool.

>>18301238
what is going on

So, what is you guys' favorite Extra stage in terms of patterns and such.

My personal favorite is probably MoF, even if Suwako is mostly easy. Her spells are just really fun and have this cute gimmick. Like the Jade of the Horrid River one, the Snake Eats the Croaking Frog. Froggy Braves the Elements is epic though I can't say I like the final spell very much. It's just criss crossing like that one Eirin spell.

>>18301562
I don’t know, it’s been a long time since I’ve played most of the Extra Stages. I can say for certain that UFO has my least favourite Extra, though.

>>18301495
>one post
>derail
Sorry this isn't your usual hugbox. People actually can have dissenting opinions, who knew?
I'm more than willing to drop this here though lest I incur janny's wrath.

>>18301653
I mean, feel free to make fun of him all you'd like. It's just in poor taste. You'd be better off doing it in a discord or something.

>>18301562
EoSD. Great stage theme, decent boss theme and I really enjoy the Flan fight even if the patterns are kind of simplistic compared to later games.

>>18301653
People have dissenting opinions all the time here. It only takes a quick look above to see the varying opinions people had on things like hitbox patches and such.

In this case you're just using this thread in a random, desperate attempt to circlejerk some dude so don't complain if people are gonna call you on it, lmao.

>>18301562
I dunno, there's something I dislike about each of them that keeps them from being my favorite

I guess HSiFS because it continues the plot

>>18301562
HSiFS Extra of course I can't beat any of the other ones

>>18299880
I had the same thing, I just applied the thcrap on top of the vpatch. Doesnt matter if you choose japanese or english. exe, thcrap writes over it.
Read the thcrap website to know how to apply it along with vpatch.

Stop dying to the same simple wave of some fucking fairy holy shit.

>>18302755
I can't stop.

>>18302755
Who are you even talking about?

Who is Stack and why does she have a million 2hu songs?

>>18290326
I've 1cc'd most of the games by now (on normal) but one I'm stuck on at the moment is DDC, it's just frustrating having to auto collect to get resources and I always kill myself doing it

so, I need a strat for that or just not get resources at all. my point is, SA is easier because resource collection is simple and there's no gimmick so I wouldnt say it's the hardest

>>18304805
you just need a route for the resources, and know when to bomb for more.

>>18304805
>it's just frustrating having to auto collect to get resources and I always kill myself doing it
Maybe instead of being a reckless idiot, you actually plan a route out? Practice, make a mental note of when and where it is safe to go up. Saying DDC is the hardest just because you aren't playing it right is silly.

Can I skip the fighting games?
They aren't fun at all

>>18305119
it's simply the hardest for me, the patterns themselves are actually pretty easy but there's a decent amount of RNG and i always get killed by some stray bullet or something stupid because there's shit all over the place

i don't know why i am having more trouble with this game than any other (besides UFO which has an even more annoying resource system, and the one other game i haven't 1cc'd yet)

>>18305454
UFO is fucking easy, dude.

>>18305454
Turns out both DDC and UFO are quite easy if you route them out and play the broken shots.
You would also suck at TD if it wasn't that TD is easy no matter what.

Okay I finally did this shit. God this took me fucking forever.

Have you heard of the True Hitbox Patch? It shrinks bullet sprites down to the size of their real hitbox, while making lasers innaccurate and in consecuence a bigger pain in the ass (obviously unintended). Would you call that cheating or not?

>>18306570
Yes it is, and it looks incredibly retarded as a plus.

>>18305444
No, you must play them

>>18306570
Yes it's cheating.

>>18305444
The fighting games are some of the best and most fun Touhou games.
You just think it's not fun because you're only playing against the AI.

7.5 IaMP and all of the newer ones 13.5, 14.5 and 15.5 might be far from perfect, but the one game you definitely don't want to miss out on is 12.3 Hisoutensoku.

Here you have the wiki explaining everything you need to know and providing all the links:
https://hisouten.koumakan.jp/wiki/Touhou_Hisoutensoku_Wiki

Get your ass on Discord #hisouten channel and play against others:
https://discord.gg/bTPh6RA

You'll see how fun the fighting games are.

>>18306570
Why would it not be cheating?

>>18307841
>Discord
Chileans, everyone.

>>18307841
Though actually, that could be a good recommendation. He definitely sounds like the kind of person that hates skill-based gameplay and that just NEEDS the computer to hand him wins for him. Just like every other Chilean.

I've reached Byakuren on normal some 50 times already I think, I'm not improving at all and I'm not even close to winning. Should I just hang myself instead?

>>18308788
You should probably take a break to play a different game, use SpoilerAL or try a different shottype.
Stay sane.

>>18308788
Does UFO require you to beat a stage to unlock it in Practice mode? If not, you could use that.

>>18308885
>Does UFO require you to beat a stage to unlock it in Practice mode
yes

>>18308788
Play best shot type.

Cleared EoSD Extra with Marisa B, only Reimu A left now.
http://replays.gensokyo.org/download.php?id=44506

>>18308788
Get good at the resource system. The Buddhist hag can't stop you if you've got maxed out lives and bombs. That's how I barely squeezed out a run with SanaeA.

>>18310083
>The Buddhist hag can't stop you
>I barely squeezed out a run
That sounds more like she could totally have stopped you.

>>18310220
Oh shit, I've been defeated by logic. Maybe I should have said this: if you're not completely terrible at the game like me, then she can't stop you if you've maxed out your lives and bombs.

God Yuugi is fucking brutal.

>>18310932
Just wait until you get to Orin.

>>18310978
If, more like.

>>18310984
Don't be so pessimistic. Getting to stage 5 isn't too hard, just bomb like a maniac when the game starts getting too hard for you. The hard part is clearing it the first time so you unlock it in practice mode. Also Satori is fun because like Patchy her attacks depend on your character and shot type.

I don't know what I expected from asking this in the /vg/ general, but I got exactly what I should have. Do you guys know what to do if AoCF locks up and stops accepting any inputs when I try to change button config?

>>18311025
An easy hack would be to remap buttons outside of AoCF to whatever the defaults are.

>>18311037
I'd probably do that if restarting my PC and then immediately starting the game didn't let me remap the controls once. But now it's back to its bullshit again.

>>18311088
Are you using a controller? Make sure your drivers are not messed up. Also if you have something weird like a drawing tablet unplug it before starting AoCF, I've heard they can mess up input sometimes.

>>18311106
I'll do that, thanks.

>>18310992
I've almost gotten to Orin, once, using Nitori. I guess I need to keep working at it, since I have only just recently starting going at it, but goddamn.

>>18311126
I can get to Okuu now but I always die to her. Just keep at it and eventually you'll get your 1CC. SA and PoFV are the last of the "main" Windows games I haven't done (not counting LoLK Legacy), PoFV mostly because I just haven't played it that much. SA remains the hardest for me. Too bad I haven't had the motivation for more attempts, I've been completing Normal with all the shot types in DDC. At least there I can game the system to get max lives and bombs.

>>18311155
I actually got my LoLK 1cc relatively early on (was my 4th game, but I did PoFV with Aya so idk if that counts), if you do PD with all 4 girls and then do a Reisen legacy run, it should be no trouble at all. Really I should be working on EoSD but that shit crashes on startup.

What shottype should I be using for SA? I've been going between Patchouli and Nitori.

>>18311334
>What shottype should I be using for SA?
That's a good question, and I have no idea. I've been using Suika for survivability because of the ability to get items without going above the POC.

>>18311334
Nitori probably, she has the second-highest damage output under "normal" circumstances, and her bomb is hands-down the best survival bomb.

>>18311397
>>18311440
Suika was my choice for Reimu shots, so I'm glad I got that right. I'll keep at it.

How close am I to beating Mountain of Faith? I can reliably reach stage 4 without dying.

>>18311496
That's pretty close.

Is there a trick to make Illusional Misdirection consistent?

Has anybody else had the MoF problem of ReimuA's homing not working on Stage 4? It's only on the final waves of streaming small fairies before the 3 big bullet-spam fairies appear near the end of the stage. It's really fucking annoying since I can't safely restream since none of the fairies being spawn are getting killed or even damaged. The homing amulets start working again once the big fairies start appearing.
I can't find any other records of this happening to other people online.

>>18311496
Remember that bombs use power, so you can be less conservative with your bomb usage. Also if you use a bomb on a boss, try to move up before activating it so the bomb hits her, it's usually enough to finish off a spell card.

>>18311511
chose one side and stick to it, remember that kunais aim at you when they bounce against the wall, kinives are aimed too

>>18311525
Alright thanks for the advice.

>>18311569
Thanks. I've gotten a better feel for it now.

I just 1cced Hidden Star in Four Seasons on hard am I allowed in the good at touhou club?

>>18311960
Post your score, if it's not at least 800m then you need to get the heck outta my property

>>18311960
Depends on the quality of the replay.

If someone is exploiting the hell out of the resource system to avoid having to actually dodge any of the threatening patterns, most people won't view that as a very impressive feat regardless of the difficulty it was cleared on. There's nothing wrong with playing that way if someone is only concerned with getting a clear but it doesn't make for what most would consider good gameplay.

>>18311960
According to ZUN you have to beat MoF Hard to be good.