/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>18275424
>you cannot learn Japanese.

>>18275049
http://zokugo-dict.com/36ya/yakiwoireru.htm

What do you all listen to while reading?

I'm struggling to find things which aren't massively distracting, but I don't like reading in silence. Pic related is one of the few things that doesn't throw my concentration off.

>>18275494
>What do you all listen to while reading?
Nothing, all my attention goes to reading

Here with more stupid questions.
This entire first panel has left me a confused mess. Especially why he would say it would be good for him to be startled/threatened and the usage of なり. For context, the 不良 he's talking about said "面貸せ" about the game system he was using so she could play with him. The delinquent ended up kicking the guy's ass after, so to make up for it the delinquent asked the guy to punch her back.
I'd appreciate any help.

今晩
>tonight, this evening
今夜
>tonight, this evening
what is the difference?

>>18275522
For 面貸せ, see 顔を貸す.
脅す means "threaten", not "be threatened".
なり is "in one's own way", see the relevant DoJG and HJGP entries: https://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/entries/280.html https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/entries/634.htm

Feels good to change the definitions to J-J ones in the Anki deck, makes me hope one day I can switch completely to J-J

>>18275443
おにぎりたべたい

>>18275620
たべればいいじゃない

>>18275566
I don't think there is any. In Japanese dictionaries, 今夜 shows up in the definition of 今晩, and vice versa.

Okay need a bit of help understanding this poem. I only understand it partially.
If it's too long to bother I don't mind either, just wanted to confirm if my understanding is more or less accurate.

「仮象のはるいろそらいちめん

ただやみくもの因果的交流電燈

明るく明るく明るく灯ります」

「Watermelonの電気石

音と言語の交差地点

ますます色彩過多の世界にて」

「七つの櫻が追い越した」

「わたしめがけて追い越した」

「ふうけいより先にわたしはなく

わたしより先にふうけいはなく」

「追いかけ追いつきいなくなる」

「ふわふわとつつまれ世界は消えていく」

「ふわふわの櫻の森で世界が鳴った

美しい音色で世界が鳴った」

「それが虚無ならば虚無自身がこのとほりで

ある程度まではみんなに共通いたします」

「（すべてがわたくしの中のみんなであるやうに

みんなのおのおののなかのすべてですから）」

>>18275698
勉強しろ

Retard here. Just started learning moon and read that to extend a vowel sound in hiragana you add either あ, い or う for a, i/e, u/o. Does this mean it is impossible to distinguish between, say, kei and kee?

>まともに見ることがためらわれるほど美しい。また、尊い。「彼女の輝くばかりの笑顔が―・い」
Cute

>>18275822
You will rarely encounter things like e-e or o-o, most extended vowels will follow what you have learned.
Some words like 炎 (ほのお/honoo/flame) are exceptions, but most will follow the あいう scheme.

is rikaisama still kill?

>>18276002
Just use Palemoon if you want Rikaisama.
It can still run legacy addons while not compromising your internet security.

>>18276002
It works perfectly fine unless you are unable to turn on your computer or phone

>>18275115
That he was teasing her the girl who is talking, so it might aswell mean:
>you must not tease ME like that.
or something.
How do you know she's not talking about him teasing her when she talks about he being in a 軽いノリ?
Also why would she assume he was acting in a 軽いノリ with Fujimiya? In fact they weren't, she didn't know that.
May be I'm not understanding what a 軽いノリ really is.

>>18276012
yeah i am using ubuntu gnome flavor...

for some reason rikai just doesnt work on my zilla.

>>18276002
it is forever kill

>>18276012
>Palemoon
>not compromising your internet security
fucking lol

>>18276049
>for some reason
the devs dropped support for it and then mozilla gave firefox a new add-on api which add-ons made for the old api don't work under

>>18275494
instrumental stuff at very low volume, on a speaker.
headphones or louder volume make it a distraction. I recommend doing the same if silence is what bothers you the most. Use some generic shit like the chillhop livestreams on youtube if you don't know what to pick

>>18276089
since it is just jishos dictionary...why cant we just update it?

>>18276106
What is there to update? Jisho works fine.

>>18275424
what's the story behind the 出来ない girl anyway
it looks like it was just taken from something but the image results only show other archived threads

>>18276106
it basically needs remaking from scratch to be compatible with the new api and nobody can seemingly be bothered to do it

if you don't mind missing out on anki compatibility and various other features, you can use rikaichamp (a rikaikun fork). the only working add-on with all the features that rikaisama had is yomichan, but it has a very different feel to rikaisama so a lot of people dislike it.

Hey Reddit!

JLPT results are out.

How'd you do? :)

I failed N5 again, LOL! xD

>>18275626
あのんはなにもわかっていない

>>18276129
I honestly can't even remember what the image was taken from. It was way back at the beginning of the DJT threads. She has been our mascot ever since.

>>18276147
そうなの？
ごめんね
おにぎりあげるからきげんなおして

>>18276129

>>18276159

>>18276169

>>18276159
>>18276169
that's hilarious

also jesus that website is cancer
>DON'T STUDY HARD, STUDY SMART
>ONE USER LEARNED JAPANESE STUDYING ONLY 15 MINUTES A DAY

>>18276187
His name was nukemarine

What's the final boss of learning japanese and why is it names?

>>18276213
>>18276213
>nukemarine

I see that name everywhere...he streams himself doing anki with like 1 view a video. I see him in random discords and reddit.

>tfw im an oldfag thats been around since 2014 the sortie memeing and still suck at Japanese.

>>18276213
kek

>>18276213
I still have his kana video playlist favourite'd.
Not really sure who he is, seconding
>>18276233.

>>18276233
>write a learner's guide as an n2 in 2010
>still doing anki 8 years later
jesus christ

>>18276305
N2? Didn't get recently stream himself taking the JCAT and end up in N3 equivalent?

>>18276305
>>18276325
As someone who's studied Japanese for four years and still awful. You need real life application.

You ever notice how literally nobody learns Japanese here? Ankis good and reading and listening is good as a supplement to enjoy things you already enjoy but if you're SERIOUSLY trying to learn the language you need real life stimulation.

>>18276325
i have no idea but in that guide he wrote ages ago that people always link to, he says he's N2.

maybe he just quit for years

>>18276337
>you need real life stimulation.
I'm pretty sure nukemarine has a Japanese wife.

>>18276351
>>18276341
He does, because he lives in fucking Japan

>>18276351
And he still doesn't know Japanese?

>>18276337
Real life is the best but it's not necessary. I learned entirely on the net. But I do a lot of writing, not speaking. I suck at speaking, or at least I assume I do, since I never do it I don't even really know.

>>18276337
i'm still a total beginner but there's a bunch of japanese streamers in my community i plan on talking to more when I'm less trash, and that big language exchange discord that has a bunch of natives

th-that's enough right? i don't have a degree i probably won't ever be able to move there lel

Can anyone help me with this phrase?

"いいヤツだってことは、
誰よりも、このぼくが知っている。"

Specifically, why is it "この" and not "これ"?

>>18276423
この is short for これの

の is used to connect nouns

>しかし、彼女が着ているのはどこの学校の制服だろう
>However, it seems like she is wearing a school uniform.
would this be correct?

>>18276534
No. Couple hints. Notice the どこ in there. Also the だろう at the end of the sentence is being used as "I wonder?"

>>18276534
no, the original line is a question

>>18275702
This is from the start of Sakura no Uta right? It seems abstract now, but you'll understand it later because it becomes a plot point. The most important point, thematically, is the part that takes from Kenji Miyazawa's Spring & Asura, which is already translated.

>>18276529
>この is short for これの
it's not

Aren't the JLPT results for overseas supposed to be out by now?

>>18276601
they are
https://www.jlpt-overseas.jp/onlineresults/preinput.do

>>18276632
>can't remember my password
fuck
My dad was with me when I signed up for this, maybe he knows

>>18276688
get a password manager

>>18276337
>You ever notice how literally nobody learns Japanese here? Ankis good and reading and listening is good as a supplement to enjoy things you already enjoy

My god, I was just faking it this whole time, I didn't know I wasn't a real scotsman.

>>18276688
if you took it in the us log in to jlpt.us and you'll see your password

>>18276698
>>18276707
I passed N3, yay!

>>18276718
hey gj nukemarine

>>18276529
>この is short for これの
笑？

>>18276572
Yes it is. I'll take your word for it then.
The part in ( ) you mean? Mind to share the translation with me? Couldn't find it so far.

>>18276706
Say what you mean nerd

>>18276760
If you don't understand what I said, theres really no point.

A baka gaijin, /jp/ poster, and eromanga reader was teaching a class on nihongo "Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Cirno and accept she is the most highly-evolved being the worlse has ever known, ever greater than Jesus Christ!"

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Marine who had served abroad in japan for over 10 years stood up and held up a Kanji. "How Japanese is this Kanji?"

The arrogant profressor smirked like a baka gaijin and smugly replied "It's as Japanese as WATASHI, stupid American."

"Wrong. It's been 5,000 years since God created China. If it was 4.6 billion years old then it would be Japanese by now."

The professor was visibly shaken and dropped his chalk and copy of Tae Kim.. He stormed out of the room crying those otaku crocodile tears.

The students applauded and all bought Genki and signed up for MemRise that day.

That student's name? Nukemarine.

>>18276868
>Cirno and accept she is the most highly-evolved being the worlse has ever known, ever greater than Jesus Christ!"
when in rome
drawing the line at that stupid tan version though

I can't learn Japanese ;_;

>text reads 義母さん
>voice reads お母さん
why is this allowed?

-text reads 膣内射精
-voice reads 中出し
why is this allowed?

>>18276947
n5?

>text reads ら
>voice reads "La"
Why is this allowed?

>>18276981
N1

>>18275822
>Does this mean it is impossible to distinguish between, say, kei and kee?
in fast (normal) speech it's usually impossible

if for some reason the person is speaking very slowly you will hear the i

and there are certain special words where the i may be emphasized, for example スペイン、姪（めい）

I'm reaching the end of Wanikani level 3. I actually like some of the mnemonics and they've helped me. Does the quality of the course change at all once you're past the free trial? Is it worth buying a year, assuming I'll actually use it for a year.

>>18277065
Just use anki

>>18277065
>>18277080

I second this. Wanikani is good for learning kanji and vocab, but at the end of the day, it's a dumbed down, slower SRS system compared to anki.

You're better off learning kanji in RTK order or KLC order or JLPT order or whatever you want, and learning vocab with sentence cards in Anki.

Anki is cross-platform, mobile friendly, has a fuck ton of addons (especially for japanese), allows you to insert audio and images, have coloured text (which is great for pitch accent) and just in general, do more than wanikani.

The only thing Wanikani has over Anki is that it looks nice, but you can customise the fuck out of your Anki cards with HTML + CSS if you can be bothered.

Wanikani will work fine, but it'll be slow and cost money that you could better spend on manga and light novels (once you can read them).

>>18277138

I forgot to mention that you can add whatever the fuck you want to Anki, rather than being locked into the order that Wanikani forces you to learn in.

>>18277138
>have coloured text (which is great for pitch accent)

Wat? The fall after the rise can happen literally anywhere in a word. How many colors do you use?

>>18277065
I used WK for 4 months. I've gotten through 3x as many kanji and 3x as many vocab down in 2 months of Anki, with LESS time committed per day. If you want kanji mnemonics, use KKLC.

>>18277164
Not him, but there are four patterns. You wouldn't color-code based on the mora of the fall, just which of those patterns it falls into.

>>18277195
Sure, that would tell you how to say the word in 3 of the cases.

But in the 4th case you'd have to guess. Might as well just use a number at that point

Why does いい加減にしなさい mean "shape up!, act properly!" when いい加減 is "irresponsible, perfunctory, careless". Shouldn't it be "Act carelessly/irresponsibly" because に turns adjectives into adverbs? Am I missing something here?

>>18277226
did you look at the other definitions

>>18277208
Yes. It's not an alternative, at least for that fourth case. But if you're not explicitly testing yourself on pitch accent to begin with, grouping words with the same pitch accent pattern naturally from exposure to the color is essentially free. It's not something I'm currently doing, but it's a reasonable idea I've seen before and I may try it out in the future.

>>18276991
The "r" sound in Japanese varies in pronunciation from "l" to "d" to something in between.

Do any of you learn Japanese by translating songs and look up words in songs ? I always do this whenever Anki or reading bores me. It's also great if you are mining your own deck

>>18275424
So, is it possible to learn Japanese?

>>18277454
The more I understand the lyrics to Japanese songs, the more I come to hate them.

>>18276025
I honestly have no idea how you don't understand. Why do you keep bring up teasing for no reason? There's no teasing going on.

He asked if they were jealous, they were like "don't make me laugh" but clearly were, then they told him to not create a misunderstanding with her (like don't make her think she actually has a chance, because they're jealous and are trying to make her feel bad).

Do you have autism perhaps?

For those of you doing 6k and are somewhat deep into it, I just started getting a lower dudes voice consistently after some kanji and started getting words again with the basic kanji like 日 and 今 but with different, less common vocabulary. Is this the break between 2k completion and the rest?

>>18277483
Really ? The more I understand the lyrics of Japanese songs, at least the one I usually listen to, the more "normalized" it is for me. The lyrics usually are pretty generic, so I don't really have any ill-wills towards them

>>18277471
No, its only possible to read and listen to what you want, comfortably
never go full jap

>>18277526
I'm about 3k in right now and you will run into a lot more loan words and different audio files. Sometimes the voice doesn't play the word by itself and will just say only the sentence.

>>18270546
I read this post and I want to start using anki because as far as I'm concerned it seems that anything worth reading in japanese exclusively uses 常用外 kanji that I don't remember ever seeing.

So I downloaded anki and I am making my first card, but I'm wondering what's the optimal way to go about it. I don't really care about formatting, so my basic functional idea is like this:

Front: 咆哮
Back: ほうこう

(a very guess-able word on all accounts, but still)

I feel like I want to add a definition from a Japanese dictionary as well, but would it make more sense to show it before, or after (alongside revealing the reading)?

I feel like I don't want to add translations because I haven't been thinking in terms of translations, but is it recommended?

I apologise for the dumb questions but if there is an optimal way to doing anki I want to make sure I am following it.

>>18277682
You're training yourself to recall what is on the back of the card based on what is on the front of the card. When you're reading, you need to recall the reading and definition by seeing the word. So, word on front, meaning and definition on back.

>>18277741
>meaning and definition

Meant "reading and definition", of course.

>>18277682
You want the meaning of the word on the back as well, otherwise there's no point.

If your vocabulary and ability level permits it, then you can use J-J definitions if you like, but J-E definitions are more convenient for this purpose due to their conciseness (if you use J-E definitions, I recommend only copying up to 3 words from the definition onto your cards, since remembering more than that starts to get quite difficult - the simpler the card, the better).

I finally started learning Japanese this year and was making really solid progress but I'm afraid I've hit a wall. The past couple days I haven't been able to score above 30% on my reps and new cards just aren't sticking. Do I need to pivot and start reading? Just for some context I'm using the Kodansha book for individual kanji and am learning words using the memrise JLPT vocab decks. I'm learning both the readings and the definitions.

Sorry if this has been asked a hundred thousand times, do any of you attend an actual japanese program or is this place full of self learners? I've been reading Genki I, practicing Anki but then I realized I'm not making much progress because I don't have a specific goal (as opposed to going to class, having to read X pages, etc). I'm not sure how many pages should I read each day, how many kanji I should be learning and such.

tl;dr: I'm starting to feel overwhelmed, need advice on deciding if investing money into being a competent weaboo is a good idea, should I continue by myself?

>>18277772
>>18277766
just watch 大食い vids

>>18277208
I still use numbers on my flash cards for the pitch accent of words, but within the sentence for the word I'm studying, I'll highlight each word with a colour corresponding to its pitch accent. This is to serve as a reminder for the pitch accent for all the words in the sentence, not just the word that I'm learning in that sentence.

For everything except 中高, the colour can correspond directly to pitch accent pattern.

For 中高, the colour can't tell you exactly how it's said, but the purpose of the colours isn't to tell you the pitch accent, it's to remember the pitch accent. Rather than remembering that a word is a [1] or a [2] for example, I remember the colour, as in general, humans have better visual memory, at least compared to just memorising a number.

Also, for most 中高 words you can guess the pitch accent pretty easily e.g., most i-adjectives have the downstep before the last い, most 3-morae verbs are [2], noun compounds have rules about them as well.

Here's an example sentence card of mine, note how I only have the colours on the back, not the front.

>>18277766
I'm retarded, I forgot to say I'm finished with N5 definitions and about 70% done with N5 readings. Roughly 15% through N4 definitions. Probably 20% of the way through Kodansha.

>>18277781
Forgot to mention that I add colour based on non-conjugated forms, so a verb that changes from, for example, 頭高 to 中高 after a conjugation I will still colour as 頭高.

The colours I use are:
Blue for 平板
Red for 頭高
Orange for 中高
Green for 尾高

>>18277788
>I'm retarded, I forgot to say I'm finished with N5 definitions and about 70% done with N5 readings. Roughly 15% through N4 definitions. Probably 20% of the way through Kodansha.
What the fuck are you even trying to say, read the guide and learn japanese. If you dont want to learn japanese, dont post in this thread.

>>18277766
You could pick up the yotsubato anki deck and start reading yotsubato, it's somewhere on the guide

>>18277772
See above, you could get started on reading yotsubato and make your goal to read one chapter every day and add words you don't know to anki. If you read all of yotsubato like this it shouldn't be a big deal to start reading something else after it

>>18277813
I'm literally telling you how much shit I know to give you an idea of where I'm at. I'm using the JLPT vocab lists instead of core.

>>18277788
Whats your study routine and how do you do it

>>18277772
Are you not capable of setting your own goals without an adult telling you what to do? Taking a class isn't remotely enough to become competent at Japanese, you absolutely need to self-study.

>>18277827
So you want to take N5 or N4? Sounds like you are almost there.

>>18277766
>individual kanji
>memrise
>JLPT vocab decks
>learning readings
well there's your problem

>>18277833
I set aside an hour every evening to do reps and add new cards. I also try to get through one section of Tae Kim.

>>18277741
>>18277744
>>18277753
Thanks, I'll go with the meaning of the word on the back.

I like J-J definitions because they are interesting to read. I'm good with reading those from Daijisen so I will try sticking with that. At some point I will calm down and it will no longer matter to me whether I'm seeing Japanese or English because I'll safely know that I am proficient at Japanese, but for now I want to encounter as much Japanese as I can.

>>18277846
I would recommend grinding through taekim as fast as possible, notetake for the first run and stuff to help it stick a bit better.

As you learn words, write their kanji a few times, kodansha will *probably* help, however as it is now it might be awhile. I've never used it, so I can't speak for it, others use it right.

Reading through Yotsuba as the other anon will do two things very usefully: reinforce a lot of grammar and syntax rules, offer you insight into colloquial japanese as it's spoken and give you a really good chunk of vocabulary to start off with.

When it comes to doing your reps, I recommend reviewing them before doing it, maybe multiple times a day. Just go through the last couple days worth before flashcard review as a quick refresher and then maybe do it before bed so you can sleep on the reviewed info, you don't need to flashcard them outside of reps, just take their info in again. If this doesn't work out, maybe someone else can pitch in what worked for them later.

Reading also does help with context a lot, though it doesn't help as much as it seems to be made out to be either. Supplementary anything is good though and when you can recall a panel or something it was used in and how, that would be when its working exactly as intended.

>>18277772
>I don't have a specific goal
Then why are you learning Japanese?

>need advice on deciding if investing money into being a competent weaboo is a good idea
It's not. The textbook/instruction phase is very short in the grand scheme of things... or it should be, but with classes what should take 2 weeks takes several months, and also costs you a lot of money.

Just get through your beginner guide at whatever pace you can manage, then it's time to start reading native material which is of interest to you. No matter what you do, when you first start reading you're going to have quite a tough time, but you've just got to tough it out with the knowledge that you will improve and it will get easier if you keep it up. The only way to fail is to give up.

>>18277878
Thanks anon, I feel like Kodansha is helping. Some words that I've had a lot of trouble with suddenly became super easy once I covered their component kanji in Kodansha.

I hope reading helps reinforce a lot of this, I really want to be able to read Japanese novels but that feels so far away.

>>18277528
>the more "normalized" it is for me
I don't think of songs in languages other than English as "abnormal" to begin with, so it's already normal to me. I can listen to European, Indian, African, middle eastern, whatever and be fine as long as the sound of the language doesn't annoy me (like Chinese and Korean does)

>The lyrics usually are pretty generic
This is the problem though. I can ignore it if I don't consciously understand the lyrics, but if I understand the bland shit they're saying it makes me hate it, like I hate generic English songs. I like it because I can listen to songs in other languages and let the sounds blend into the music and become one with it like it's supposed to be, unless the point of the song is entirely in its lyrics.

why doesn't crayon shin chan have furigana for the kanji :(

>>18277942
>as long as the sound of the language doesn't annoy me (like Chinese and Korean does)
That's some shit taste you've got there.

https://youtu.be/-KbvUmR6zkg
https://youtu.be/SD6yC-bgwws

>>18277887
>Then why are you learning Japanese?
Sorry if I was vague in my writing, I don't have a "goal" as in, I don't have a person or a program telling me the milestones that I should be achieving. I'm not sure if what I'm doing is okay.

As a bit of background I studied parts of my bachelor's and a MBA via online so I'm used to doing things by myself, I just need help on defining how much progress I should be making each week/month.

>>18276947
What score did you get on the separate sections?

>Halfway through Core2k/6k
>Doujins are getting easier to read
>Still slogging through grammar

I feel like I'm making progress. The most annoying thing to me is when I run into words that are written in hiragana and I have to parse if they're a grammatical feature or not.

>>18277980
>I just need help on defining how much progress I should be making each week/month.
Ideally, you should finish your beginner guide within a month at the most. Preferably within 2 weeks.

From there onwards, progress markers are hard to come by really. It's pretty hard to measure your ability and determine exactly how much you've improved within X timeframe. It's not like a video game where you accumulate XP and level up; you just sort of realize every so often that you're better than you were a few months ago. All you can really do is to have confidence that what you're doing is working (after a few months of reading, this should become apparent) and that eventually you will reach the destination you're aiming for so long as you stay on course. In other words, "have faith".

>>18278054
Good work, anon.
>doujins
Definitely The One Easy Trick For Learning Japanese.
>words that are written in hiragana and I have to parse if they're a grammatical feature or not.
Just keep on reading.

>captcha is disabled altogether
u fucking wut

>>18278054
im dealing with that issue right now.
"やめといた"

>>18277682
>I feel like I don't want to add translations because I haven't been thinking in terms of translations,
Look up a definition of the word in a japanese dictionary and paste that onto the back of your card. If you don't know what it means with the japanese definition, look it up once in whatever language you want and memorize it the day that you add it to your Anki cue. If you forget the meaning, you'll need to look it up again; you can do this after you've done all your reps by browsing the "again today" set.

>>18278103
You should be with Yame?

>>18278105
I don't think thats anyones name that's been introduced. A scanlator (who I posted early and ended up getting roasted by /jp/) says it's "I dont think that's a good idea" I assume 方 is being used for idea in this case. Dunno what else to cross reference to but I don't know what's being conjugated or not right here.

>>18278103
やめておいた

>>18278103
やめておいた

this gets asked so often it might as well be added to the OP

>>18278118
It's やめておいた
I was being cheeky

>>18278137
>>18278128
>>18278126
thank you, i never see these contractions coming

>>18278147
This contraction was in one of the other pages you posted yesterday or a couple days ago. I was confused by it too but someone who posted Megumin with a gun helped me out.

>>18278118
>I assume 方 is being used for idea in this case.
Stop doing this. While it's not a wrong translation, there isn't a single thing in "I don't think that's a good idea" that can be matched 1:1 to that phrase (except "that"). Don't assume you're correct just because you reached the same misunderstanding that the scanlator did, and don't assume you're incorrect when there's a completely unrelated reason the scanlator wrote something else.

Just post here if you have a question about a sentence. It's not like you're annoying anyone and it's clear you're learning japanese.

>>18278062
>In other words, "have faith"
Welp this was both funny and sad at the same time. Thank you, I will continue grinding my book.

>>18277772
self-learning is not only sufficient, it's necessary

>>18277781
Thanks Matt

>>18278276
>35/41/33

>>18278276
congrats but you can do better

if you did this as a benchmark and not for the credential maybe consider retaking it in 2 years

>>18278317
What score would a Japanese employer look for if they require someone with an N1?

>>18278401
in my experience they never ask for the score

maybe it's worth mentioning if you get a perfect score but otherwise I wouldn't volunteer it

>>18278401
A japanese employer wouldn't look at an N1, an american employer might. N1 is roughly equivalent to middle school level japanese.

>>18276727
kek

What the fuck I suck at reading.

>>18278598
>he didn't read

>>18278170
>やめておいた
Not him but, whats the proper translation for that phrase then? I'm still confused.

>>18278638
I think he was saying that the assumption that the word "idea" matches up with something in the Japanese is just wrong. It's not the English translation that is the issue.

A literal translation of やめといた方がいい might be "it would be better if you stopped" but that wouldn't necessarily be the best way to render it in English. Depending on context "that's not a good idea" might be fine.

>>18278638
sorry, that post came out as a mess.

I was trying to say to stop treating scanlations as an answer key. Linking 方 to "idea" like he tried to do is a mistake working under two very bad assumptions:

1. that the translation is correct (he assumed this yesterday)
2. that every word in a translation can be mapped to the original sentence (you can't do this even with "correct" translations)

The translation in this case is fine.

Anons, I've eventually made a Japanese word chain game.
example:聲の形（こえのかた「ち」）
→中二病でも恋がしたい（「ち」ゅうにびょうでもこいがした「い」）
→イリヤの空、UFOの夏（「い」りやのそら、ゆーふぉーのな「つ」）
→月がきれい（「つ」きがきれい）
(*NOTICE!: "ゃ"="や","ゅ"="ゆ","ょ"="よ")

Put following words in the correct order.

宝石の国[START] →

a)カウボーイビバップ
b)プラネテス
c)苺ましまろ
d)蟲師
e)とある科学の禁書目録
f)我が家のお稲荷さま
g)涼宮ハルヒの憂鬱
h)魔法少女まどかマギカ
i)日常
j)宇宙兄弟
k)山田くんと7人の魔女
l)境界の彼方
m)たまこまーけっと
n)言の葉の庭
o)四月は君の嘘
p)六花の勇者
q)蒼の彼方のフォーリズム
r)くまみこ
s)双星の陰陽師
t)幼女戦記
u)つうかあ

→　城下町のダンデライオン[END]

>>18278696
>カウボーイビバップ
エドかわいいよなぁ…　はぁ…

>>18278696
うわ・・・くっそつまんねー

コピペじゃないならとんだ暇人だな

>>18278598
more eroge

>>18278696
>とある科学の禁書目録

おはようおにいちゃん

>>18278696
けものフレンズ

>>18278711
かわいい？

かわいくはない

>>18278918
なんてひどいことを…
なきそう

>>18278928
じゃ写真を撮って
泣き顔はエロイ

>>18278944
おに！へんたい！

久しぶり
もう日本語習った？

>>18278987
おひさ
日本語話せるようになった
おかげさまで

>>18278987
むりっすよ

>>18279033
諦めんなよ！
俺たちがついてるからさ！
NEVER GIVE UP!

Coming back to Japanese after pussying out for a few months. Haven't forgotten it all so far, at least.

What dialect is this supposed to be where he adds a hard ス? I looked into kansai but it didn't really match up. He also says おざます instead of おはよう.

>>18279231
its a slur that comes from having too much dick in your mouth, it'll come naturally to you

>>18279231
It's not a dialect. This is typical 後輩 speech when talking to a 先輩.

>>18279231
>>18279239
To be more exact, the す is a shortening of です.

Got some money saved up, thinking about doing a 90 day trip to Japan.
I guess I'll rent a cheap room via airbnb.

I want to practice speaking Japanese but also have some fun.

I'm wondering what I should do to get the most out of this trip.
Should I just get the cheapest room possible and go out and try to find people to talk? (I think it's easy to find Japanese people via hellotalk)
There are also some offers where people offer to teach you Japanese when you stay at their place, not sure if that'll be efficient though.

Another question, big city or somewhere in the sticks?
Big cities are fun, but I guess going somewhere far away where no one speaks english and you are still an "exotic" foreigner might be a cool experience.

Also does anyone know if I can get a train ticket for 3 months as a foreigner and how much it'll cost?
Railpass is max 3 weeks if I remember correctly and it's already rather expensive.


Already tried to ask this on /int/ but their DJT is rather dead.

>>18279260
がいじんは

がいじんどうしで

いっつもつるんでる

>>18276744
http://www.meijigakuin.ac.jp/~gengo/bulletin/pdf/26Tomiyama_p72.pdf

How should I translate モテテク?
I've just been translating it as just tactic, was considering technique, but based on the context/the MC dramatizing the scenario as if it's a battle--tactic. It's derived from 持て持て (モテモテ) meaning sexy/popular/well-liked (with the opposite sex) and テク meaning technique.

do you read 頭を垂れる as あたまをたれる or こうべをたれる?

>>18279363
ちゃーみんぐ・あっぴーる・すきる

Is it better to do start doing Kanji (KKLC) and vocab after a grammar guide? Feels like I am making a lot of progress understanding basic sentences after Tae Kim/Manga Way (and I do pick up some vocab from that), but not sure if I should be doing both at the same time. I feel like I'd rather focus on finishing grammar book ASAP.

>>18279408
well the word is こうべ, 頭 is just spelling, for which there is also 首

>>18279480
so why do they spell it https://forvo.com/word/%E9%A0%AD%E3%82%92%E5%9E%82%E3%82%8C%E3%82%8B/#ja

>>18279408
Ａｎｎｋｉするのはむずかしくないけど

せいかくにつかいわけるのは

むずかしいよ

>>18279426
Ooh, I think you're on to something with charming, anon. I don't think I'm quite there yet, but thanks!

I passed N2.
I did not expect that to happen. Pretty happy desu.

>>18279543
おにいちゃんおめでとう

ほっとけーき

やこう！おいわい

>>18279231
It's not a dialect, it's just normal colloquial Japanese. Specifically, it's です being slurred into just す since it's easier to say.

Cutting sounds out like this is very common, and sometimes it can be on quite a large scale such a in the case of 「おはよっす！」.

>>18279543
How long have you been studying for? I started it November, so recently, but I want to take a JPLT in December and not sure if by then N5 might be too easy. Definitely not N2 but maybe N4 would be a better use of my time?

Anyway, congrats!

>>18279260
>>>/trv/

>>18279568
Aim for the starts homie, take N3 at least. Slow and steady wins the race is the biggest meme of them all

>>18279568
N2 is the lowest level anyone except the test-taker himself will care about. Anything below is purely for your own satisfaction, so there's no point in asking others whether it's "worth it."

>>18275424
So, who speak english as second language here?
Do you find it hard to learn japanese as your third language or does it get easier?

>>18279668
I'm from a third world shithole and English isn't my first language
It doesn't get easier, Japanese flips all the regular conventions from other languages so you're basically starting from scratch when it comes to learning it

I don't see this on the CoR.
A happen to have a link or pdf? I'm curious to its content

>>18279706
You don't need it unless you want to become an eternal beginner textbook drone.

>>18279717
Im ocd about flipping through the textbooks to see if theres something that slipped me by from time to time

So I'm moving to Japan next month. I passed N1 few years ago when I lived in Japan for the first time.

Will I be okay?

>新入社員の入社に当たって社長はホテルでパーティーを開いた。
Try saying that five times fast.

>>18279573
But I also want to know what's the best for practicing the language there.

>>18279759
Go out.

>>18279734
Where to? For work? What kind of work?

>>18279759
The only thing you can do there that you couldn't do otherwise is have conversations with natives in person, but it's a question of whether natives would even want to have a conversation you, a complete stranger, and how you would go about starting one if they did.

>>18279787
No, not work. After I graduate I'd like to find a job there, but that's still few years in the future.

>>18279759
There's no secret to learning a language, and going to Japan for such a short period of time without knowing the language won't do you any good.
Look at all these dumbass bloggers/"youtubers" who've been in Japan for years or even decades and still are far from fluent let alone literate.

>>18279799
Well, uni it is then? What field?
Exchange/international programs are terrible but you should be fine if you're going for a jap degree.

>>18279803
Yes, a humanities-related doctoral course fully in Japanese.

>>18279800
this

i lived in japan a few years and only studied occassionally and made very little progress

dont buy the immersion meme. youre not going to be immersed youll use english and come home to consume entertainment in english.

you have to actively study and READ japanese to get anywhere

>>18277878
>>18277887

What is this kodansha you're talking about?

>>18279838
Kodansha Kanji Learner's Course?

>>18279809
Well you'll probably be fine, especially if you plan on staying there after you've finished your thesis.
Keep in mind that academic research in Japan is kind of backwards (at least in exact sciences)

>>18279838
Check the cor. It's a book that teaches you kanji meaning along with vocab.

>>18279800
I just dont get how these people can be illiterate when they live in fucking Japan all the time.
I can understand when they might not be fluent, or bad at speaking but not even able to read the shit they are surrounded with?

>>18279847
I hope my supervisor will help me. But yes, I'm ready for the whole thing being an 茨の道.

what font do you use?

>>18279919
meiryo

>>18279919
Noto Sans CJK JP regular & medium
Kochi Gothic regular for small characters

>>18279838
A waste of time that doesn't teach you Japanese.

>>18279935
>A waste of time that doesn't teach you Japanese.
Doesn't it supposedly teach you thousands of words and actual kanji meanings? This is no RTK

>>18279843
Thanks.
Is that any good?

>>18279958
It's RtK wrapped up in pretty new dress

>>18279958
I dunno. I learned vocab from cartoon porn and writing from randomly writing random kanji.

>>18279795
People approached me all the time on my last trip anon.
Mostly old ladies and men but still.

>>18279800
I'm not a bloody beginner anon, I just never get to speak it with a native.

>>18279814
I never expected to learn it by doing nothing.

>>18279919
Takao (basically just the IPA font under a different name to get around licensing issues with regard to applying community-made bug fixes to the original IPA font).

Both the Japanese and Latin glyphs look the nicest of any Japanese font I've seen, and to top it all off, it also has the most accurate Kanji glyphs out of all the Japanese fonts.

>>18279965
It's not RTK at all.

>>18279985
Takao is outdated and not actually maintained by community members at all. Use IPAex.

Looking for tips on how to bring my anki time down. Currently it takes me 35 minutes to review and do 20 new cards.

>>18279339
Yeah I don't even get that in english for now.
Thanks man.

>>18280005
That's pretty good honestly
The most important thing is retention and avoiding leeches

As someone who is started living in Japan about 2 weeks ago, do you think ill have an easier time learning the language since i am pretty much surrounded by for the majority of the day?

>>18280015
Not him. but Kenji wrote it on the day celebrated as Buddha's birthday and described his general dissatisfaction with his position in life in it. The main point is the contrast between spring around him and him himself as an asura.

One of Kenji's main aspirations in life was sharing Buddha's teachings, specifically Lotus Sutra, and it didn't go well for him.

>>18280005
That's really average. Some people here actually really do 2 hours of Anki.
If you don't mind you can reduce steps, though that may hurt your retention, not that it really matters in the long run or anything. You can also just try to review faster. I can generally hit below 20 minutes if I go fast but I can't say if that is a harmful way to review. I've actually disabled new cards for a couple days because I got other stuff to do and it seems even 15 minutes is doable, so you might just want to consider taking a break from new cards. I certainly know that for me younger cards accumulate slightly faster than I get net mature cards, though that may be different for you.

>>18280029
Probably, it's not a guarantee though considering plenty of gaijin never learn Japanese while living in Japan. You still need to put in the hours, consider yourself lucky though as you should struggle a lot less than most of us here.

>>18280029
I could paint the walls of my room with Japanese words and listen to Japanese radio 16 hours a day so as to be completely immersed, but it wouldn't exactly help me much with my studies
You get the big picture

>>18280029
Not if you stay in a foreigner bubble.

>>18280015
>>18280041
I want to add, here I'm speaking about the poem Spring and Asura.

Sakura no Uta also takes from the Preface which Kenji wrote later. In that he shares his overall worldview.

>>18279999
>Use IPAex.
I would but there's no proportional version which means it's unusable.

>>18280056
What is the foreigner bubble?
>>18280047
After work I pretty much come home, rest a bit and then put in at least 2 hours going through books. So i definitely plan on putting in the hours.

>>18280108
>What is the foreigner bubble?

Interacting with pretty much only with other foreigners. I dunno about what you do, so maybe this isn't even possible for you, but it tends to happen with ALT schmucks for example.

>>18280108
>What is the foreigner bubble?
Only/mostly interacting with other foreigners

>>18280108
>What is the foreigner bubble?
e.g. In the UK, Pakistani immigrants form mini-Pakistans within towns and cities across the country and have little to no contact with the native British population.

>>18279945
>actual kanji meanings
No.

>>18280099
That's because having halfwidth versions of fullwidth glyphs violates unicode's specifications and sites like wikipedia should be using halfwidth punctuation instead. Hell, you could make a greasemonkey script that replaces fullwidth punctuation with halfwidth punctuation and it would basically have the same effect.

>>18280120
>>18280122
I think I might be fine in this regards. I might be the only foreigner in the area and I already made a work friend who knows very broken english and helps me with my japanese when I need it.

>>18280143
>That's because having halfwidth versions of fullwidth glyphs violates unicode's specifications and sites like wikipedia should be using halfwidth punctuation instead.
Doesn't matter what unicode says people should do, what matters is what people actually do, and practically nobody uses halfwidth punctuation as far as I've seen.

>Hell, you could make a greasemonkey script that replaces fullwidth punctuation with halfwidth punctuation and it would basically have the same effect.
Or I could just save myself the trouble and use a proportional font. I wouldn't know how to make such a script, even were I inclined to waste my time doing so.

Is there a vocab deck for any of the Touhou games?
I can't find anything online.

>>18280152
>Doesn't matter what unicode says people should do, what matters is what people actually do,
Well "people" apparently follow it considering how few fonts there are that cut the width of fullwith punctuation in half. Wikipedia is *supposed* to look like your fullwidth example, not your halfwidth one. Now, they should be using ascii parens instead of fullwidth parens, which is something that's entirely normal, but they're not.

>>18280142
You mean the meanings are wrong? I don't remember seeing anything aberrent when I skimmed through it

>>18280142
KKLC has meanings that correspond to particular readings, not wishwashy "hurr durr it's an mnemonic device" keywords.

>>18280152
>Doesn't matter what unicode says people should do
You're dumb and wrong.

>>18280210
I mean unicode says that ' and " should never appear in English text that contains the right codepoints for normal punctuation, but it's wrong about that.

Now if you make a font that violate's unicode's specifications you're doing something wrong.

>>18280160
>Well "people" apparently follow it considering how few fonts there are that cut the width of fullwith punctuation in half.
You're talking about developers, not users. What users do with the font is what ultimately matters. If they keep using full-width glyphs even though it creates an ugly mess like that in my screencap, then I'm going to use a font which fixes the ugly mess. I don't care if the font follows unicode's specification or not, I care that text looks nice.

It's not just a matter of punctuation anyway. Even if they did use half-width punctuation on Wikipedia and other sites, it wouldn't change the fact that the hiragana glyphs have massive, ugly spaces between one character and the next.

>>18280248
Nobody writes half-width quotation brackets.

I mean that in the most literal way possible. Nobody writes normal Japanese text, looks at what they just wrote, and sees half-width quotation brackets instead of full-width ones. They always have that padding around them.

The proportional font is literally displaying things wrong.

>>18280217
Source on this? I never heard anything about that. I mean yeah this is obviously wrong

>>18280261
https://www.google.com/search?q=apostrophe+site%3Aunicode.org

How am I supposed to know the reading of this university with no kana and no info about it with a google/dict search?

>>18280261
The ASCII apostrophe is a "typewriter" apostrophe, and the "real" apostrophe is U+2019 ’

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostrophe#Unicode

>>18280259
Proof?

>>18280280
Uh, you're the one that needs to prove it wrong, dude. >>18280259 represents reality. Pretending it doesn't so that you can move the burden of proof is subversive.

>>18280283
The burden of proof is on the one making the claim.

I made no claims about Japanese handwriting being one way or another. I have nothing to prove here.

>>18280268
>>18280273
Well that's fucking dumb, there's no reason to bloat standard keyboard layouts even more than they already are because of some autistic typographists.
I understand there being multiple characters for different contexts/usages when it really matters but there should never be a specification like "always use these obscure stupid characters instead of the conventional ones if your font has them".

>>18280292
Claim:
>I would but there's no proportional version which means it's unusable.
Proof:
none

>>18280292
Someone making a claim only has to prove it if it's not already accepted as true. >>18280259 is factual.

Asking for "proof" that Japanese people see fullwidth punctuation when they type is like asking for proof that they use IMEs or that they use both hiragana and katakana. Yes, they do. Get over it.

>>18280292
>and practically nobody uses halfwidth punctuation as far as I've seen.
Proof?

>>18280296
By "unusable" I mean it makes pages look ugly so I don't like it. That wasn't an objective statement, just my exaggeration.

>>18280301
If >>18280259 is factual, then it should be simple for you to provide some evidence that it is.

Look, I'm not even saying you're wrong. I honestly don't know one way or the other how punctuation appears in handwriting and just want to see some proof that it is how you claim it to be.

>>18280311
I'm talking about online. Proof: use a non-proportional Japanese font and visit literally any Japanese website. I already provided you with one screencapped example for starters.

>>18280315
>If >>18280259 is factual, then it should be simple for you to provide some evidence that it is.
When proving something is trivial and can be done by anybody, and that thing is commonly believed to be true, and anyone who wants to disprove it could easily do son, then there is no burden of proof.

>>18280269
The author thinks the reading is obvious according to his sense of the Japanese language. I'd say it's あとさき.

>>18280315
You're acting like a fucking spoiled child. Shut up and move on with your life.

>>18280315
>I honestly don't know one way or the other how punctuation appears in handwriting
This was never about handwriting.

>>18279965
does it teach pronunciation faggot cuck nigger bitch

>>18280336
yes and it teaches the pronunciations in the context of vocabulary too

I mean, formal handwriting is done on grid paper that forces everything to be full-width.

>>18280315
Not your squabbling partner but it looks like this in print. Only looks shitty when you have nested punctuation to my eyes.

>>18280334
Oh fuck, I misunderstood because of >>18280259 saying "writes" instead of "types". I thought he was arguing that half-width punctuation is wrong because people use full-width punctuation in handwriting.

Okay, disregard all my posts about this. I fucked up.

daily english thread

>>18280315
Except the vast majority of Japanese fonts are monospace (except for latin characters which are sometimes proportional). You're fucking retarded.

>>18280350
Are you bilingual? Honestly curious where you got that distinction. People usually call typing writing in English, and use the word handwriting when they want to specify that they're talking about using stationery by hand.

Hi, im just started learning.

Doing vocabulary with Anki and the 2k deck and doing pretty ok so far. Am I supposed to also rehearse the words seperately, or am I supposed to just use the program as is?

Thanks.

>>18280374
You should skim the sections about learning vocabulary in https://neodjt.neocities.org/newguide.html . The neodjt guide isn't very good but it explains why you want to use Anki, and what it's for, very well.

>>18280164
>You mean the meanings are wrong
Kanji don't have meanings, or whatever you want to call those keywords. Look up kanji in a Japanese kanji dictionary and you will see meanings attributed to different readings, which is a reference to the words they are used in.

>>18280169
>not wishwashy "hurr durr it's an mnemonic device" keywords.
Same shit, different smell. I don't see the point in getting smug and tribalistic over different kanji resources which set out to effectively achieve the same thing. It's not religion; use whatever and move on.

>>18280403
Kanji have meanings, just not definitions. As long as you treat the meaning as the means by which the kanji is related to the words it spells, and not something that defines what it conveys in text, there's no problem with learning what kanji mean. 不 and 船 have obvious unobjectionable meanings, and acting like there's no point in teaching yourself what they mean is just as dishonest as pretending that kanji like 誌 and 方 have single trivial definitions.

>>18280374
Ideally you want to learn new cards *before* reviewing them in anki. This will most likely make your retention higher. But do whatever works for you
Anki reviews should be all you need past the learning stage.

>>18280403
>Kanji don't have meanings, or whatever you want to call those keywords. Look up kanji in a Japanese kanji dictionary and you will see meanings attributed to different readings, which is a reference to the words they are used in.
This is exactly what KKLC does. You're the one acting smug.

>>18280419
>This is exactly what KKLC does. You're the one acting smug.
It does try, but I feel like it's not quite good enough. Then again, specifying the nuances between the on'yomi and kun'yomi for every single kanji would be absolutely draining, so I'm glad it doesn't go all out.

Not the person you're responding to.

>>18280430
Example of it distinguishing different senses of the same on'yomi.

>>18279803
whats wrong with exchange programs?

>>18280456
You get what you pay for

>>18280430
>>18280439
I never read it so I can't tell for sure, but after skimming through it that's the feel I got from it. Guess it tries to balance pure vocab with easier retention

>>18280456
Depends on your uni/program but they're often just for show or don't teach you much. Imagine going to France or Germany or something where most people (including professors) have broken English to take classes taught in English.

>>18280414
>is just as dishonest
Indeed, pretending English keywords function in this manner is somewhat dishonest.

>>18280419
>This is exactly what KKLC does.
No.

>>18280497
>Indeed, pretending English keywords function in this manner is somewhat dishonest
I'm pretty sure "un-", "non-", and "not" are unobjectionable definitions of 不, anon.

>>18280456
I went to Japan, was taught Japanese by natives and pass N1 with nice score at the end of it.

>>18280523
Eh, misquoted, meant for >>18280496
Also obviously one's experience might vary, but my exchange was positive.

>>18280523
What was your degree? Of course if you're going for the sole purpose of learning Japanese then it might be alright.
I was referring to programs with a majority of English classes that only teach you survival Japanese.

>>18280099
I think the above looks better.

But, my font of choice is mplus.

A small problem I have with it is that it can sometimes look too clean and perfect in a limited way, and therefore boring, but this visual feeling is very Japanese, I think.

A bigger problem is that I'm not sure that this font has kanji like 慫慂 at all, so they look different and stand out, but I'm not good enough to regularly read things that prominently feature such kanji.

>>18279568
ありがとう兄貴！
>>18279568
Thanks!
Roughly two years.
It's entirely up to you. If you have enough time I'd say go for N4, maybe even N3 (depending on how fast of a learner you are). Work hard and good luck!

>>18280559
Fair enough. Those are pretty much weeb vacations, I imagine.

Is learning kanji essential for VNs?

>>18280593
nah bro just learn the kana xD kanji is for super serious people who want to live in japan!

Is learning more than 24/25th of the writing system essential for VNs?

>>18279668
English is closer to Japanese than my mother tongue, so that helps a lot. Words taken directly from English are easier to remember if it's not your first time seeing them.
Knowing more than one language (any language at all) generally makes it easier to learn a new one, I think.

>>18279668
I'd really like to have something like the kenkyuusha dictionary but in spanish.

>>18279668
Frog reporting in, I'd say I'm having an easier time learning Japanese than I had learning English. Mostly because I'm self taught and I kind of know by now what works and what doesn't.
Also this might be a controversial opinion but I found re-learning everything from scratch to be easier than having to switch from French to English and vice versa.

But yeah, having the experience of learning a language definitely makes learning others much easier.

>>18279668
Russian as native.

>does it get easier?
Not really, no. All that grammatical stuff from Russian is useless because none of it matches Japanese ever, and what does is already present in English. English has more things that seem to match exactly. Sometimes I think that knowing Russian might be a burden and I would do better if I only spoke English.

>>18279668
Provided you are proficient in more than one language, learning more languages actually becomes easier because you have already learned to think in another language. Some dumb monolingual Americans never manage to stop translating things to English.

It's honestly actually a little scary how much Japanese and English grammar has literal translations back and forth.

>>18280665
This
While it can be really hard to start "thinking" in another language without enough practice, you should learn how to read without translating everything as soon as possible

>>18275424
>４巻発売の現段階で沢山の方が動いてくださっているのですが

What does she mean with 動く in here? Does she mean there are a lot of people working to put out the 4th volume of her manga or does she mean a lot of the readers have been emotionally moved by it? I'm more inclined towards the latter.

>>18280652
Should I self-learn French? I studied it in high school but dropped it after I started with Japanese.

>>18280719
Do it. I've been doing the same for the past week.

>>18280716
She means that a lot of people are working on the 4th volume. To be "moved" emotionally is usually said as 感動する

And just for another example of the usage 動いてくださる, I found this on Weblio:

留置所行きはかまいません、外であなたが動いてくださるのさえ知っていれば」例文帳に追加
"I could go to jail happy if I knew that you were working for me outside.''

>>18280719
I don't see why not. Learning a language can be fun in and of itself, though the French grammar can be a real bitch at times.

Bonne chance.

>>18280755
I'll try. It seems like it could be useful.

>>18280769
That's still milquetoast compared to my native language. I should be able to handle it.

>>18280790
What language?

>>18280269

>>18280795
One of the slavic ones with million declensions on everything.

>>18280800
I know DJT is all about "writing is useless" and although I agree, seeing, as a result of that, someone actually write japanese in such a gaijin hand still makes me wince. Perhaps it does become useful if you want your handwriting to be ever seen by others.

>>18279668
It's a bit easier because I picked up some good studying habits and learned some useful linguistic terms. Not to mention learning Japanese from my native language's sources would be a horror, or at least not as efficient as from the English stuff.

>>18280839
Who here has said "don't learn to write if you want your handwriting to be ever seen by others"?
Pretty sure people say "don't focus on production if you only care about reading and typing".

>>18280839
At least they got the strokes right.
Also, getting a native-like handwriting is one of those things you can't really work on.

>>18280839
Does this look more native like?

gz to all who passed

>>18280839
>>18280879
How about this? It is the second result . . .

>>18280879
so this is the power of correct stroke order

>>18276994
There are people "teaching" Japanese just with passing the N3 level. Imagine that for a moment

>>18280893
Nukemarine?

>>18280886
>first result is (笑)

>>18280839
>>18280879
>>18280886
>>18280891
>>18280904
I think I finally figured it out.

>>18280897
What's the deal with nukemarine? Sorry for being such a newfriend if that was answered before.

>>18280923
He made the Optimized version of Core6k.
He probably has no idea this thread even exists

>>18280815
Oh hey, you are me!
I've found out that I remember a surprising amount of French vocabulary. Hope it will be the same for you.
Do you want to talk about it somewhere? Maybe it will be fun.

>>18280937
Sorry, as a rule I avoid any continued online interactions that can single me out.

>>18280943
Good thinking. Stay safe.

>>18280936
Thanks for the explanation

>>18280947
I suppose the lynchpin is that he also posts in reddit

>>18280608
I don't know how English could be closer to Japanese then your mother tongue. They are about as far away as you can be linguistically.
You are right about learning more then one language though. Simply for the fact that you learn methods to teach yourself words and grammar the first time you learn a different language.

>>18280977
Japanese and English both have very analytic grammar and lots of derivational affixes.

>>18280593
Open up a VN and you will see.

>>18279668
My native language is german, I am not sure if its easier to learn Japanese. I dont think so tho. One has to learn all the grammar from scratch, meanwhile I could use similar sentence structures in English as I do in German.

I have a question. I have been using Japanese for Droid as my Flashcard app. Should I switch to AnkiDroid?

>>18281006
It depends. Do you want to learn Japanese?

>>18281006
Yes

>>18281018
See>>18281027

>>18281043
See>>18281027

>>18281050
See Thanks.

>>18280977
What makes for me English closer to Japanese than russian, is that while both languages, english and japanese, are practically nothing alike, they yet are both very light on grammar (particularly nominal morphology), and with russian not being especially close to japanese in anything, compared with english it seems especially distant from japanese; russian thrives on what exists neither in english nor in japanese. I think I would have a bad time learning japanese if I did not speak English.

>>18276341
No, he actually said he was working towards 2級, of the old JLPT, before the moved to the "N" levels, i.e. he was N4 level. Sometime last year he posted his JCAT score, which placed him at N4, but below N3 level, so he made absolutely no progress in all those years.

Blogposting:
When I started learning japanese in 2012, I followed hus thrn current version of his guide, which can be summarized as
-do RTK
-do Core6k
-mine vocab (he suggested sub2srs from japanese dramas, but I didn't like that and mined from VNs instead)
3 1/2 years later I passed N1.
Meanwhile, he "optimized" and rewrote his guide a few times, without ever actually bothering to learn japanese.

Whatever you do, don't be like that guy and you will learn japanese eventually, even if you don't do it the most optimal way (people here really seem to hate RTK).
Spend all of your life trying to find the perfect method and you'll never progress past the beginner level, because that method just doesn't exist.

>>18280800
>>18280839
it's not like i can ever win an imaginary argument against an anonymous nobody

just to let you know, that i can intentionally write in "gaijin hand" on a fucking mouse, just to let you wince at it
no, the point is google's handwriting recognition is pretty much scribble-proof

>>18279239
It's Prinny-speech, dood.

historically, who the fuck came up with the "bla bla bla blah" adjectives such as からから, すやすや, いらいら, etc? This mess is most of the times void of language logic.

>>18281204
those are called phenomimes

>>18281204
Ever heard of onomatopoeia?

>>18281204
tick tock
ding dong
tit for tat
heave-ho

>>18281204
>language logic
You're in for one hell of a ride if you're looking for any kind of "logic" when it comes to natural languages.

>>18281217
They're actually very logical but the logic is incomprehensibly qualitative.

>>18281217
A lot of the times it seems the logic is "it was easier then the thing before it".

>>18281227
Then once it becomes fully grammaticalized it's actually difficult again so it's replaced with something else once more.

>>18281220
WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE

>>18281183
You win, anon.

>>18281183
I'm jealous of your Japanese mousewriting skills

>>18275602
I still can't follow his logic after thinking about it for a day. Why the hell is he saying it would have been good to be threatened?

>>18281267
there's no "be threatened"

>>18281276
Is he saying he should have threatened/intimidated her?

>reito mi

https://www.jlpt-overseas.jp/onlineresults/search.do?id1=2030101&id2=10305&password=19950629

>>18281294
Reading lowest?
Are we visiting the same thread?

>>18281183
>>18281202
Rate mine as well masters!

>>18281316
Notto sure what happened
Am surprised at reading lowest as well

>>18280839
Yea considering all those native 書道 masters in Japan . . . oh wait

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNxPRBvRQg

>>18281294

>>18281294
Pretty fine. Close to mine from 2016.

>>18281404
This is not idiosyncratic of Japan. Nowadays people are writing less and less and thus they don't grasp obscure words that are beyond their usual vocabulary.

>>18281529
Most of the words he tested are incredibly common. Don't talk about things you don't understand.

>>18281543
>Most of the words he tested are incredibly common
>Don't talk about things you don't understand.
One guy in the video says that he knew about the kanji of one word because he has seen them in videogames.
Apply that advice to yourself, don't talk about things you don't understand either.

>>18281589
>obscure words that are beyond their usual vocabulary

>>18281593
>he thinks 戦闘 is used more frequently in every day conversations than 戦争 or 戦い

>>18281628
That notion has nothing to do with
>obscure words that are beyond their usual vocabulary

>>18281628
There is nothing remotely "obscure" about any of the words used in the video.

>>18281529
fucking cringe

がんばるぞい fagets

お疲れ様でした、お兄さん。
日本語の勉強をやめるのはもういいよ。

>>18275698
There are two easy kanji I recognize in that text!

I went from narrowly passing the N5 last December to microscopically passing the N2 this December.
Next up, N1!

>>18282017
Tell me your story senpai

>>18275424
>１０メートルとないだろうが、泥がどれだけ堆積しているかもよる。

What does the とないだろうが mean?

This is what I got:
>The depth is of around 10 meters, I guess, but that depends on how much the mud has accumulated in there.

It's talking about a well.

>>18282061
What do you mean?

>>18282080
How you learned. I'm just starting out

>>18282092
Procrastinate less, learn more
It's that easy

>>18282063
I'll take a stab at it. Unless this is some weird dialect I've never heard of, are you sure it shouldn't be like this?
>10メートルもないだろうが、泥がどれだけ堆積しているかによる。
There probably isn't even 10 meters, but it depends on how much mud has accumulated.

>>18282110
not me, but he's not wrong.
>>18282092
- Grammar: It largely doesn't matter what you use as long as you don't get hung up on it. I used a program called Human Japanese, and while I did enjoy it and think it did an alright job, I found DJT afterwards and realized I could have just saved my $20. I used Tae Kim from then on instead of buying the "Intermediate" Human Japnese for another $20.
- Anki(Core 2k/6k, and now I'm on 10k)
Every. Day. This was the biggest thing I put time into. On days that I had big exams or was just feeling really out of it, I turned off new cards, but you have to keep in mind that every time you do that you're stuck Even when I went camping back in August, I brought a power bank with me and my phone and got up before everyone else and did my reps in the freezing cold before dawn. That was the fastest I've ever gotten them done, I think it was like 21 minutes for 300-some cards.
- I read a decent amount of manga and stuff for the first 7 or 8 months. I read all of Yotsubato, all of Azumanga Daioh, and a bunch of various others that I don't care to try and remember now. I've kinda fallen away from that recently because I've struggled to find a new manga that's both a good difficulty level for me and interesting to me, but I really should get back into it.
- I read some of Flyable Heart, didn't quite finish a route but I plan to. I don't have a whole lot of time to spend on my Windows machine, I'm normally on the go with my Antergos laptop and I don't even want to try to play VNs, let alone set up text hooking in Linux.
- Lately I've been watching anime with Japanese subtitles, I watched all of K-On in preparation for the N2, currently watching 中二病ども恋がしたい.
- I used one of the N2 読解 study books in the cornucopia for a while.
- Soon I hope to get more into ドラマ, I've only seen Samurai Gourmet but I hung out with a Japanese friend of mine earlier today and got some recommendations from him, so I'm looking forward to doing that.

Obviously, my latent lack of reading is why my reading score was so low. Be better than me. Good luck, kouhai.

>>18282119
It's a narration from saya no uta, so no dialect.

>>18282181
every time you do that you're stuck doing these reps one more day in the future.*

>>18282186
It looks like in this case とない and もない would mean the same thing, though I can't find an explanation online.

>>18282063
>>18282238
量的な限度を表す。少ない量をあげて、打ち消しの形をとる。 「この食料では三日ともつまい」 「五分と待てない」

https://kotobank.jp/word/%E3%81%A8-579147#E5.A4.A7.E8.BE.9E.E6.9E.97.20.E7.AC.AC.E4.B8.89.E7.89.88

遅刻　遅刻ーーで出合い頭にぶつかるのを待ってるに決まってるじゃない！！

Does this mean that the person isn't going to wait to randomly bump into someone, and instead take it upon themselves by means of being late? For context the person is purposely being late so she can run to school with bread in her mouth and hopefully bump into a potential lover.

>>18282343
ありがとうございます

is it possible to learn japanese without anki?

>>18278054
Hey, thats me too! I've around 3k words and grammar is kicking my ass. You're right about things becoming easier to read after grinding Anki for a bit.

>>18275494
Managed to find something else that works.

Seems that classical and ambient are the genres to look under in terms of non-distracting music. Unfortunately, I have very little familiarity with either.

>>18275494
I don't understand how anyone can read in anything but complete silence.