/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Today's video
Noja: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XULpYvgdF4M
Sora: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pEAJB7pEmk
Zombi-ko: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqcIFQXxdhQ

>>18272478
Please leave /jp/

>>18272485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxMVmEWSlVs

luna traded her fps for her breast size

>>18272786
Not like I mind. But I swear her FPS improved recently. Maybe it's just me.

>>18272478
why spam threads before they are even dead?

>>18272774
voice of pure sex

Current thread is here.
>>18271260
>>18271260
>>18271260

>>18273055
should at least put the name in the title or tread instead of name corner
now it will be hard for someone to find it in the catalog

Shiro made a video with a long list of names.

I wonder if that's her kill list.

>>18273135
Could be a list of usernames extracted from live chat, or twitter names. They're supposedly all of Shirogumi.

>>18273135
>>18273152

She thanked the fanartists you dumbasses

>>18273135
>>18273163

why not both

>>18272478
Thanks OP. I finally could find this thread using the search function.

from /a/ last night

the game

Will there ever be a truly 2d virtual youtuber?

>>18278319
>you will never install software into Ai-chan

>>18278323
Moemi is so flat, even if they made her a proper model, she'd still be 2D.www

>>18278323
There is one already and she's the best.

New luna vid when?

>>18272774
One of the few times when I wish I'd actually knew Japanese.
Imagine having a gf with that voice.

YUA will rise...

>>18273163
>>18273152
>>18273135

those are the people who threw money in the superchat

Luna, new vid when?

When new vid, Luna?

>>18272547
okay

>>18281240
Don't leave, I was just being tsun.

>>18273954
>sora liked this
will sora start liking all the lewd arts like akari, too?

>>18281711
She will.

When she grow up..
Learn about the lewd stuff..
Found a boyfriend..
Quit youtube..
Get married..

DON'T TOUCH MY DAUGHTER!!

>>18273954
>>18281711
Sora: Akari-chaan, what's wrong? (๑╹ᆺ╹)
Bluerainyman: She just has a bit of a fever. 0(:3　)～ Uwaaaaa

>>18281816
she also did poses for nora

I can't believe this slut is about to overtake my wife YUA.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1516838765580.webm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef-en9Z3I6g

>>18282247
It's about time that Aoi overtakes Yua.

>>18282262
That looks pretty high quakity, and the girl is cute.
I hope her videos aren't boring,and that she overtakes Yua in a month

>>18282262
>another corporate product with oversized tits
what could possibly go wrong?

>>18281983
>the eternal soratomo
>b-but sora i-is a JK
>b-but sora i-is pure

>>18281711
They grow up so fast.

>>18282294
Who are you quoting?

>>18282307
I'm quoting >>18281983
Isn't that clear?

>>18282300
What's Sora want from me in the middle of the night?

I like Ai's outro than most of her videos. Is that weird?

Loli Obaa-chan new video!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9skoiQt5mg

>>18282316
This >>18281983 is a translation of what Sora and the artist said on twitter.
https://twitter.com/tokino_sora/status/955391276588834817

>>18282262
Looks good. Let's hope the videos will be entertaining.

Now I see why Luna is popular, titties excluded. I really like her delinquent style when she gets angry.

>>18282300
I want sora to back me into a corner and force herself onto me

Paizuri.

>>18282330
>Loli Obaa-chan

wtf that's not Mochihiyoko

>>18282361
A challenger appears.

>>18282345
Adding to that, I just saw her Christmas video.

Rude titties and savage as fuck. You guys are all masochists for liking her.

YUA should act more like Akarin

>>18282345
I want Luna to corner me in the stairwell and intimidate me into giving her my lunch money.

>>18282383
The three lewdest yuchubas under one blanket, what could go wrong?

>>18282383
Where's YUA?

>>18282395
Taking the picture you goose.

>>18282383
>Sleeping with 2 sluts
Sora is definitely not PURE!

>>18282395
Yua or her tits could fit, but not both.

>>18282394
Playing Super Smash Bros

>>18282330
They need to work on her > < eyes.

>>18282379
I am a masochist, but that's not why I like Luna. It's because she is funny.

>>18282383
I see they are sorted in order of lewdness.

>>18282402
Where're YUAs tits?

>>18282401
Please don't call our girls sluts.

>>18282016
How do you read 為になる there? shouldn't be 師匠の動きは為になる be "Master's movements will be useful"?
I think Sora is the one copying NoraCat there.

>>18282401
not anymore, at least

I've been participating in these threads since august of last year and I can't shake the feeling that we are very cancerous.

>>18282444
I started to lose motivation when Moemi started dying. Luna is my only hope left, but I will always love Moemi.

>>18282444
It's become crossboarder and dumb memester central ever since the explosion.

I just wish they'd all pack up and move to reddit and leave us alone.

>>18282444
If only the /v/irgins knew how to keep their bait and shitposting under control when browsing another board and the redditfags would stop asking the same questions over and over

>>18282429
It's read ためになる

But I'm confused. You just rewrote what was written already. Are you saying that you need to remove the なぁ at the end? Because you don't.

Incidentally, it's taken from Shiro, the original phrase is シロちゃんの動画は為になるなぁ

>>18282476
>redditfags would stop asking the same questions over and over
Will we need a FAQ?

>>18282444
>>18282468
>>18282476
Spending time complaining about them is not helping either.

>>18282429
>>18282479
Ah I think I understood what you meant. Yes Sora is copying Noracat's movements in the image. I don't know what the other guy was trying to say.

>>18282483
No. Fuck them and fuck you for proposing something like that. We might as well start calling this a general at this rate.

Is someone bored enough to update the pastebin?
https://pastebin.com/FgEMEX8L

>>18282496
It's pretty much a general already though.

>>18282492
Complaining about the discussion of the quality of these threads isn't helpful either.

>>18282502
>December 21
Phew, there's quite a bit more to add.

>>18282444
The number of unique IPs in this thread has more than tripled even though the threads lasted a week or so back then, which means there's a massive influx of certain types of people in these threads. It's hard to trudge through the posts in these threads now when most of the "jokes" aren't funny or have been done to death and half the rest of the conversations are stupid as fuck waifu shit.

>>18282520
I can't be the only one who thought Siro's ribbon on her winter outfit looks like cat ears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ha4fBeYdgj0

the absolute madwoman made a whole video about Moemi bullying? what the fuck, why doesn't she make more?

>>18282541

It's annoying that these days I have to sift through a lot of shit just to read relevant info.

>>18282552

She already addressed that in one of her livestreams

>>18282567

The fuck are you talking about? There's alnost always bullying whenever Eilene's in the video

>>18282567
Because no one wants to see their waifu getting bullying.

What is JK?

>>18282591
Janitor Kross

>>18282585
>There's alnost always bullying whenever Eilene's in the video
It's kinda curious how eilene became more of a bully in moemi's channel when in her old videos she was most of the time the target of beno and beilene's bully

>>18282591
Nigger lover

>>18282591
Just kotaku.

>>18282591
fJouK you

>>18282591
Just Kizuna

>>18282591
Just kidding.

>>>/wsg/404589359

I wonder if Akari is going to kill the goat Mom in Undertale. It's all I want to see.

So I actually try to check what channel are on that VY list. And holy shit, they literally just fucking thrown anything in there. Forget about Ami Yamato, they even include VR chat channel and MMD channel. And then there are channels that I can't even see any connection to VY.

>>18282691
I hope she does. Full genocide.

>>18282695
why are you surprised when this thread just did that with Kurumi?

>>18282695
We arent any better, we allowed Moemi/Yomemi.

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>>18282691
I hope she does and then feels bad and reloads the save to do it over, so she sees the extra dialogue

I can't wait for the Valentine's video from Luna.

Is it time?

>>18282710
Pls no bully

>>18282717
Christmas video 2.0

>>18282714
Those cats got some real jewish noses.

>>18282710
>We arent any better, we allowed Moemi/Yomemi.
>still tryin the same overused and wasted bait
What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach.

>>>/wsg/404589359

>>18282718
please stop or yua will really kill herself

>>18282722
That's what I want.

>>18282722
YES PLEASE.

>>18282645
>>18282732
Deleted, just post the link to the thread

>>18282727
>thinks it's bait
>takes the bait anyway
every
single
time

>>18282734
you want her to continue to suffer? you monster

>>18282745
>acknowledging bait is the same as taking the bait

>>18282745
They will never learn.

>>18282745
Kill yourself, kiddo

seiyuu otakus aren't a thing in japan anymore? one would believe that yua should be popular just for bringing those alone

>>18282747
The only one suffering is Shiori. Yua is probably more Debito than she's Shiori. If you want to save her, kill Yua.

>>18282763
There are too many. A surplus the Japanese market cannot absorb on its own.

Luna/Ai collab when?

Luna bullying Ai into crying when?

>>18281986
>>18282763
This.
The very first step into saving YUA should be without a doubt killing debitto.

>>18282476
Like clockwork.

>>18282797
it's up to Luna.

>>18282797
If anything Luna should make a collab with the other heavenly kings.

>>18282811
i hope luna doesn't become a sellout like ai

New yuuchuba and she is cute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoRJnM0_T1s

>>18282837
>Kizuna Akari
Why is almost every single one of them playing that dumb game?

>>18282837
>Kizuna Akari
You can't make this up senpai.
How long until the channel gets a DMCA strike for using Vocaloid imagery?

>>18282845
because anyone that kills streamers or letsplayers get banned

>>18282837
>Kizuna Akari
OH NO NON NO NO

>>18282837
>kizuna akari
>not Nekomasu Shiro
>not Fujizaki Luna
>not Aoi Sora

>>18282837
>kizuna akari
way to fish for views. this feels like a pretty chinese thing to do

I want to pet this cat, sexually

>>18282837
>>18282845
>>18282848
>>18282858
>>18282868
Really?
http://voiceroid.wikia.com/wiki/Kizuna_Akari

Who did it better? Akari or Luna?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o601uZzzPns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BmERXazPV4

>>18282884
no shit sherlock

>>18282888
Luna.

>>18282884
As expected from the dumb AI.

>>18282880
i NEED to sex this cat!

>>18282837
That's a voiceroid, not a virtual youtuber.

>>18282888
I never get it why P_Maru decided to become Luna

How does it feel knowing we're only a few weeks away before the english speaking youtube world notices this new license to print money and ironic weeb types start making their own virtual youtuber channels in english to stay relevant?

>>18282913
>that subtle pelvic line
diamonds

>>18282923
That didn't stopped Eilene.

>>18282923
she is virtual, she is a youtuber

i don't see the difference

>>18282923
>voiceroid
wew

>>18282934
She's not a virtual youtuber either.

are any of the virtual youtubers actually good at video games?

>>18282938
Tell that to the Eileneshills.

>>18282929

>>18282902
I can't wait for all the doujin of this lewd cat

Is my wife Yukarin finally allowed here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-SuWmCKyDw

>>18282952
Not a virtual youtuber.

>>18282951
i wish asanagi would draw fluffy vanilla stuff

>>18282929
For drunken shitposting.

>>18282956
why?

>>18282951
This virtual youtuber is a little sleezy.

>>18282952
Pretty much yes.

>>18282383
i want to see them all kiss

>said she's into shibari 16 hours ago
>still no new S&M art of her in neither pixiv nor twitter
What the fuck are you doing, Japan?

Also, did 4chan stop supporting legacy captcha or something? 4chanX isn't spawning the captcha for me, and I can't find an option for legacy captcha on the inline extension. And the non-legacy captcha just had me try again 4 times, god dammit.

>>18282960
I'm so happy that this cat is going to receive the Asanagi treatment, she deserves to be mating press until she can't live without the cock

>>18282973
Virtual youtubers need to have a virtual body that they control. A 2d sprite + text-to-speech generator is not a virtual body.

>>18282996
Anon, I...

>>18282996
Yes legacy was dumped.

>>18283001
according to who?

>>18283001
Anti-Moemiposter please.

bacharu yuuchubas are a fad and popularity is already starting to fade
kizuna ai's latest video hasn't even been subbed yet, people are feeling the fatigue from lack of meaningful content and literally wasting their time subbing videos FOR FREE while kizuna makes FREE MONEY off these people, and they're all probably probably sponsors too.

>>18282880
Lopsided breasts I can understand, but even the butt is lopsided.

>>18282929
Because it seemed like fun.

What is going on with Shiro's subs? Her pubg video was uploaded 3 days ago, still no subs. Same for 300k subs special.

yuchubas sure like PUBG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4BO9zM50u4

>>18273954
AKARI IS A SLUT AND A BAD INFLUENCE ON INNOCENT JK LIKE SORA!

>>18282999
i just want lots of heavy petting with sora or akari desu
is that too much to ask for?

>>18283005
>>18283007
Really? God damn it all.

... and to make 4chanX support non-legacy captha, I had to add 3 extra exceptions to my uMatrix rules (google frames and gstatic css and images).

Fucking christ. Did they announce it anywhere? God dammit, Hiroshima.

>>18282591
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Japanese+JK

>>18283012
It's a very competitive market, only the best are going to survive.

>>18283032
i want akari to bring sora into the world of adulthood!

>>18283032
Why you spoonfeed the kotaku writer?

>>18283030

do you believe that this guy is an idiot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uze3Oq0J1ws

>>18282923
If Moemi can become a virtual youtuber with half of the requirements then Ai-chan and Akari-chan's bastard daughter can also be one with none of the requirements.

>>18283042
Wasnt this the channel with that long ass cringy opening sequence?

>>18283036
unfortunately the revised channel will kill the noja

>>18283043
How can this cat be so smug and lewd?

>>18282952
Of course

>>18283010
See, there is no authority on it and that's a problem. Because technically anything on youtube is virtual and anyone on youtube is a youtuber, so if we're going to be that loose, then you can literally post any youtube videos you want here (so long as they vaguely relate to Japanese culture). And if anyone complains, just say "it's virtual and it's on youtube so it's allowed!" and if anyone argues otherwise just point out they're not an authority on it and you can stretch the definition to make it true so it counts.

I'm not the guy you responded to, but seeing as the term originated from Ai as a way of referring to her existence in a virtual reality, the idea of it relating to virtual reality (or rather, 3D mocap technology) seems like a pretty valid way of separating "virtual" youtubers from others.

>>18283044
>none of the requirements.
but she has them all, you dumb moemi hater
she is virtual and she is a youtuber

>>18283058
>but she has them all
Sorry but I fail to see where is the mocap 3D model.

>>18283058
>she is virtual and she is a youtuber
This is fucking stupid.

>>18283065
we already agreed that you don't need a mocap nor a model to be a virtual youtuber, you dumb moemi hater

Seriously, just look at this cat, how can you not have an uncontrollable desire to pet her

>>18283077
Then voiceroids should be allowed too.

>>18283079
It looks like it would kill me if I touch it

>>18283054
>stretch the definition
What definition?

>the term originated from Ai
It didn't.

>>18283094
Yeah, it originated from the founder, Ami Yamato

>>18283079
My desire to mating press is stronger.

>>18283088
Pet the CAT. Do it now.

I love my wife Kurumi

>moemifags and antimoemifags are at it again
Please start posting with a name whenever you two cringy factions start arguing so I can filter you for the time being.

If only Kurumi was streaming right now, if only.

>>18283101
Are we allowed to touch her cute little neko ears?

>>18283094
>What definition?
I think that's the point I was making...

>>18283094
>It didn't.
Yes, it did. The fact that there's a single video of an ESL person using it before Ai to refer to something that was probably google-translated doesn't change this. The term "virtual youtuber", as it's currently used, was coined by Ai.

And no, it has no relation to other "virtual" things like "virtual bands" (which can refer to literally any band who don't perform together in person, regardless of whether they're 2D or 3D). It's an entirely different concept.

So yes, it did.

>>18283086
Voiceroids are their own characters that other people use on youtube. They're vehicles only. You could say the person using a voiceroid is a youtuber, maybe even a vitual one, but the voiceroid themself would not be a vtuber. If someone uses a still image of Naruto and text to speech software and roleplays as Naruto playing PUBG, does that mean Naruto is now a vtuber?

>>18283079
>>18283101
i'm going to masturbate to this cat

>>18283111
>If someone uses a still image of Naruto and text to speech software and roleplays as Naruto playing PUBG, does that mean Naruto is now a vtuber?
yes

>>18283111
Yeah because it's "virtual" so it counts, apparently.

>>18283114
Please go ahead

>>18283111
Voiceroids are quintessential virtual youtubers. They not even use their real voices, that alone makes them more virtual than the likes of AIchan.

>>18283105
Joke's on you, it's probably all one guy.

>>18283129

>>18283126
Literally too smug for her own good.

Shiro's last PUBG video was fucking boring, most of it had literally nothing going on and after 5 minutes she wasn't even talking that much, she really should edit those better or just give up on the video if there was no good matches

>>18283011
alright anon, nobody is saying anything bad about moemi. they are just stating the fact that she isnt a vt

>>18283127
this

moemihater BTFO

If it doesn't have a 3d model or if it doesn't use a real voice, it's not a virtual youtuber. Period.

>>18283163
>or
You meant "and".

>>18283163
>>>/v/

>>18283169
FUCK YOU

Will you retards ever learn to not reply the idiots derailing the thread with the "not a real vy" bait?

Kurumi-sama I need more of you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfaJOh-zkF4
Only your voice drowns my sorrows

Any videos with Maki that you'd recommend?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n58PgdI_lGI

>>18283176
It's not bait if it's true

>>18283176
That only happens in less than 1% of threads and this thread isn't one of them, so no.

>>>/h/4863928
HOT

>>18283176
Half of it is bait because it gets reactions, but the other half is legitimate concerns.

It's important to discuss what should or shouldn't be allowed in this thread, lest it becomes a "youtube general" thread.

>>18283176
we are just pointing out the bait m8, so it's totally fine

>>18283200
>It's important to discuss what should or shouldn't be allowed in this thread
why?
who cares if it's just a youtube general?

>>18283102
No she is MY wife

>>18283176
If we not trace a line of what a VY is and what not, these threads will end like that piece of shit VY list made by some braindead nip. Almost 70% of that list it's pure shit.

i suppose that the term virtual youtuber doesnt mean anything anymore. i suggest that from now on to call these generals "youtubers with avatars" and discuss about every single youtuber that represents themeselves with a drawing

>>18283200
Except that everyone has more common sense than that, it's only the shitposter who seems to think that if Moemi is considered a VY that everyone will start flooding the thread with shit for no reason.

Shiro stream.
They've gotten the taste of monetization.
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20180126T1930&p0=248&msg=S%28h%29iro+Stream&font=cursive
>>18283141
her only content that I skip.

>>18283224
I'm totally not Eilene and wholeheartedly agree with this post.

>>18283216
but that would require people to post them and no one is going to post them if they are shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AumvgLXoImk
AnTama stream in 6 hours

>>18283224
lol nice bait, here's a (you)

DEBITTO IS HAVING CURRY AND SALAD FOR LUNCH
https://twitter.com/yua_ch/status/956364064602578944

>>18283214
I do. Because that dilutes the original purpose of these threads (to discuss a specific topic).

>>18283200
>Half of it is bait because it gets reactions, but the other half is legitimate concerns.
>implying it's not just one guy
>implying it's not just the moemi hater
>implying it isn't you

>>18283252
I bet it was actually paella.

>>18283252
This twitter hurts too much. I wonder if I should block it to avoid the pain.

>>18283252
would YUA's subcount grow if debitto started voicing her?

>>18283252
Please choke on the food and die.

>>18283252
when are they going to fire akarin and use debitto for the videos instead?

>>18283176
In my honest opinion, both sides discuss it like retards. One side is too defensive and butthurt about the implications and the other one is too inflexible and salty about the facts.
Also, I know where you're coming from by calling those posts "bait" but it's utterly stupid to label every unpopular opinion as bait. The vy scene is gray as fuck and it allows all sorts of users to be part of the vy community. It's perfectly fine for some to demand some minimum requirements to be considered a vy as it is being supportive of every established vy and potential vy out there.
I'm expecting a mature discussion from all of you, fags.

>>18283254
You only care because you hate moemi

I bet you faggots also think that Ai and Luna write their own tweets.

>>18283275
Calm down debitto.

>>18283275
Debitto-kun please.
And PMR used to shitpost in the same way as Luna does in twatter.

>>18283252
I can't wait for more YUA porn. It's very health and the best.

>>18283275
Debitto, you need to finish that man-sized meal before shitposting.

>>18283275
Siro/Hayuyu does, and that's all I care about.

>>18283111
Yeah, and Kizuna Ai is only a "vehicle" for the real life human being who's pretending to be her, but we call her a character anyway.

For my own part I wish Voiceroid threads could stay alive on their own but they don't.

>>18283272
>The vy scene is gray as fuck and it allows all sorts of users to be part of the vy community.

And? it doesn't matter since no one is going to be posting about the irrelevants.

>>18283275
please stop hurting shiori she doesn't deserve this

Hey guys, I'm back from a one week break, what did I miss from both YT and nico? Last big thing I saw on nico was the Psychopass parody, what's new? Kaguya newest video 758k in F O U R days holy shit

Also why the hell did Eilene make Akari play Undertale? Who's smart idea was it to suggest that

>>18283268
I heard this in Yua's voice and it was very cute and sexy.
Yua breaking out of her Stockholm syndrome only to go back to it after her producers rape her has potential to be an award winning ero doujin.

>>18283272
As evidenced by polls, the vast majority of these threads do consider Moemi a VY, and think the arguments are stupid. There doesn't need to be any more definition than "a character represented by an animated avatar, 3D or otherwise". No one has been claiming that Noracat isn't a VY, even though Noracat uses text to speech and pre-set animations rather than motion capture. It's just one retarded shitposter spamming the same nonsense to rile people up and now trying to justify it by claiming that if Moemi is considered a VY it'll let people post all manner of shit, even though everyone has already considered Moemi a VY and no such flood of low quality content has happened.

>>18272485
Zombie-ko is subbed! I can't thank you enough, anon!

>>18283304
>No one has been claiming that Noracat isn't a VY
We did back then, after Moemi was allowed so was Nora.

>>18283304
>a character represented by an animated avatar
Try to keep up, that's no longer a requirement.
They can just use a picture.

Let's be honest, only Ai-chan keeps up with the virtual act
Shiro and Akari put a halfass effort to keep it up (they always talk about experiences that their virtual self shouldn't be able to experience)
and the rest just branched off from the Noja route where they admit to be a real person from the very start.

>>18283320
Who are you referring to? Name a few please.

>>18283320
There's literally no reason somebody who uses tachie shouldn't be "allowed" to be a virtual YouTuber anyway.

Hey, guys. Look at this virtual youtuber I found. Don't mind the fact that she isn't virtual, nor does she upload anything on youtube.

>>18283226
This isn't even about Moemi, but every time anyone tries to have a reasonable conversation about it, it comes back to Moemi. It's annoying.

Put Moemi aside. Should 2D avatars that don't move be allowed? Should stick figure drawings with shitty animation be allowed? Should someone who just uses their voice with no avatar to play games be allowed? These are all technically virtual, but they're clearly not what these threads were intended for. If you think they shouldn't be allowed, who are you to decide?

You can say, "oh, but common sense..." but sooner or later this is going to be a shitty youtube general if there isn't a stricter definition in place.

These threads were originally about Ai because she was the only one that was really regarded as a 'virtual youtuber' at the time. That changed around August and up until some point in December, these threads were about 3D mocap youtubers and it was generally understood that this is what was required for something to count as a 'virtual youtuber'. It's what I originally came to these threads to discuss. That _used_ to be 'common sense'. Any time someone brought up voiceroids or 2D stuff, they were told no, that's not what these threads are for.

Obviously that's changed, though. I actually like Moemi and don't really give a shit that she's discussed here, but if we're being intellectually honest, then either she shouldn't be allowed OR she should be allowed but so should any random youtuber because they could technically be said to be "virtual" by one definition or another.

>>18283296
Shiro reached 300k. Also, no more legacy captcha support and I'm getting really fucking sick of this shit. Even installed 4chanX v3 (instead of the v2 I was using from loadletter) because the /qa/ thread said it helped with the captcha, and shit is still the same. Getting like 5 "try again" messages per post. Fuck. Fuck.

Anyway, other than that, Noja was shilling some LN the other day, Yoriko half-retired because she has to take care of her hospitalized grandpa so no more Moemi unless she manages to squeeze some time, Yua played SFII and Contra... and 3 tries. Fuck everything. No, hiroshima, I'm not buying a pass. No, google, I'm not turning on cookies. Fuck y'all niggers.

>>18283338
I'm gonna need you to post more of her so I can decide if she is a virtual youtuber or not

>>18283338
She's on the internet not in front of me, so its virtual.
She probably has a google account, hence a youtube one, so its a youtuber.
Post more please.

>>18283338
Her disgusting 3d tits are virtually exposed!

>>18283338
ew

>>18283339
>You can say, "oh, but common sense..." but sooner or later this is going to be a shitty youtube general if there isn't a stricter definition in place.
1. Is it virtual?
2. Is it a YouTuber?

Then yes, it's a virtual YouTuber. You have to be one sort of incredibly intellectually dishonest retard to try and claim that this encompasses everything on YouTube.

>>18283338
>being this buttmad
see
>>18282727

>>18283326
Did you miss the whole Kurumi thing?

>>18283355
Kurumi is animated though.

>>18283316
And when nojaloli appeared, there was some opposition about allowing discussion of her (him) in our threads because he wasn't a girl. It was a very small group and very short lived but we do have a precedence of changing the rules as we go and accepting anyone.

>>18283353
Everything on youtube is, by definition, virtual, so that's not intellectually dishonest at all. Which is the very root of the problem now...

In any case, it's clear that "is it virtual?" (whatever you take "virtual" to mean) was NOT what these threads were originally intended for.

>>18283355
What did I miss? Some anons enjoying her content? Or some retard screeching about how she doesn't use an animated avatar for her streams? Have you even bothered watching her actual videos? She doesn't have the right equipment, but she ordered gear so she can work on it.

>>18283321
Let's be honest, this is one of the most benign things to get hung up on.

>Trying to prevent the threads from becoming shit by shitting up the threads with pointless discussion

>>18283355
but she is working hard to buy a motion capture gear!!!

>>18283382
You're right, let's post pictures!

Luna is 143 years old!

>>18283382
All discussion is pointless. It's not like these threads were a haven of hilarious jokes or meaningful conversations before the recent discussions.

>>18283371
>Everything on youtube is, by definition, virtual, so that's not intellectually dishonest at all.
You're being an intellectual dishonest shithead RIGHT now.

Characters are virtual because they do not exist. Your average run of the mill streamer is not a "virtual YouTuber" because the YouTuber in question is a real life human being and therefore not virtual. I can't imagine the amount of shit you would have to eat on a daily basis to argue that PewDiePie is a "virtual YouTuber".

>was NOT what these threads were originally intended for.
Yeah, what these threads are really for is voting on thread rules that don't actually exist and shitposting.

>>18283374
I watched 4 of them and all of them were just a picture with her voice.

But that's irrelevant, I mean why youtubers with static avatars shouldn't be considered virtual youtubers?

Friendly reminder that antama are going live in five hours.

>>18283382
All the while using this unusable captcha.

Moemi hater/defender samefaggot confirmed pass user.

3 attempts. Fuck.

>>18283397
Because they're just regular youtubers with some shitty graphics over their videos.

>>18283402
>regular youtubers with some shitty graphics over their videos.
That's literally everyone who is discussed in these threads.

>>18283382
my brain just glosses over that crap. Their arguments could just be NO U over and over again, but at the end of the day (7pm JST) if Eilene uploads anything it's going to be linked here and discussed.

>>18283402
That's all of them, dumbass.

>>18283401
I got cookies off and it keeps pre approving me.

>>18283402
They are virtual and youtubers, thus virtual youtubers

>>18283402
Kizuna has uploaded videos with a static pic. Akari didn't even used a pic once. Are they irrelevant now?

>>18283400
Thanks

>>18283409
No, because that's not the focus of their content.

>>18283385
Kurumi is a NEET!

>>18283409
If that's everything they upload, then yes

>>18283400
but i have to sleep. please do something about this

Your mother is broccoli~

>>18283407
Maybe you're using chrome and being tracked in a different way.

To prevent these threads from going stale, I'll post some Siro.

>>18283393
143 years old saggy paizuri!

>>18283421
But is she a stinky NEET or a clean NEET?

Luna should have uploaded a video to prevent all this.

We could just move away from the term 'virtual youtuber' and use 'yuuchuba', and then define that new term instead of trying to bother with retard semantics about what's virtual and what's a youtuber.
And it might even weed out some out-of-site shitters

>>18283427
I'm using Brave.

That time I got a captcha. 1st try.

>>18283430
a coughing neet

Who /ygo/ here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvpYtySnyaE

>>18283401
>All the while using this unusable captcha.
Try enabling this on 4chan X

>>18283430
I want Luna to be my mommy gf!

>>18283370
>we do have a precedence of changing the rules as we go and accepting anyone.
It's a growing medium though, it only makes sense to allow a degree of flexibility to accommodate it. I think these days the concept is fairly well fleshed out, so there isn't much more that could come along and make us question whether it's ok to talk about here.

>>18283436
>out-of-site shitters
Even if it managed to weed them out there's too much /v/ermin here to save the threads.

>>18283425
Luna pls stop shitposting and start uploading new videos already. 3 a week my ass.

>>18283437
Blink engine. Same botnet. But hey, if you're fine with being tracked, go right ahead. At least you're not being tortured by this shit like me.

>>18283433
She'll come, look for her coming at the dawn of the fifth day.

>>18283441
Fucking subbed.

>>18283450
I'm here every night. NSA knows I'm here every night. What's the point anymore?

>>18283429
Siro is too cute for this mad world.

>>18283442
Let me try.... huh. Nice. Still failed 2 times because fuck bridges, but this helps a lot. Thanks.

>>18283450
Forgot pic.

>>18283450
Let's try something else.

Yea it's the same.

>>18283456

yuchuba duelroids are fucking great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlVLg1sYaFY

>>18283397
Because they aren't even in the character. If Kurumi's videos were simply talks about how she wanted to all sorts of things, but unable to because she couldn't move any part of her static body, then I could agree that she is one; but in the way it went, she was just some person hiding behind a picture doing whatever.

>>18283468
Fuck I should have been looking for these.

>>18282262
My christian yuchuba can't be this cute

I hope she will be the first of many truly pure yuchubas that praise the lord, unlike Tokino Sora

>>18283442
>>18283462
You should also put check on "post on captcha completion"

>>18283468
I've only seen Minecraft voiceroids
how many people do this

>>18282262
nice model

now let's crossfingers and hope it isn't a dude

>>18283481
I had it active with 4chanX v2 legacy captcha, and I hadn't turned it on yet here because I'm just trying it out, but yeah, that's a good idea too. Thanks.

>>18283494
Luna has an obscene body.

The previous thread, or the one before, had some blonde loli, and a new guy with IIRC a pink-haired maid model? I hadn't had the time to watch those, but I'm a bit more free now, so could I please get spoonfed?

>>18283487
They have been around longer than Kizuna, so a lot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DLrCNzPQ64

Looool are you losers shitposting away more of your life on /jp/?

Don't worry, Luna-chan will keep all of you pathetic things company~

>>18283396
>Your average run of the mill streamer is not a "virtual YouTuber" because the YouTuber in question is a real life human being and therefore not virtual
OK. Let's break this down. According to how you define the term 'virtual youtuber', it refers to 'virtual characters on youtube'. Why is that the correct definition? Why would I be wrong in saying that it refers to anyone on youtube because everything on youtube is virtual?

Honestly, try thinking about your answer to that. Because if you're going to argue that there's a certain intent behind the term 'virtual youtuber' to exclude certain things (like real life human beings), then I would argue that the same thing applies other things (for example, 3D mocap).

That's ignoring deeper issues like how virtual does something have to be before it counts as virtual in your books? I could extend an olive branch and say that everyone agrees that a run-of-the-mill youtuber doesn't count as virtual. But what about, for example, a human face on a drawn character? What about a doll that uses stop-motion animation? What about a hand with a face drawn on it that clearly isn't a real character?

It doesn't really matter what any of your answers are to the questions in the previous paragraph because the point being made is that you're no more correct than someone saying that 3D mocap is the bare minimum requirement for calling something a virtual youtuber.

>>18283396
>Yeah, what these threads are really for is voting on thread rules that don't actually exist and shitposting.
These threads have always been about discussing virtual youtubers. Discussing the definition of virtual youtubers falls under that umbrella. Ironically, it's probably more on topic than, say, discussion about Moemi.

>>18283339
>This isn't even about Moemi, but every time anyone tries to have a reasonable conversation about it, it comes back to Moemi. It's annoying.
Because every time it comes up it's a result of the one autist yelling "MOEMI ISN'T A VY, WAKE UP SHEEPLE".
>Should 2D avatars that don't move be allowed?
No, I think being animated is an important element. Though whether it's canned or motion capture isn't that important.
>Should stick figure drawings with shitty animation be allowed?
Sure, but do you think for a second that such a thing would ever take off in these threads, and not just be brought up once and then quickly dismissed for the low quality?
>Should someone who just uses their voice with no avatar to play games be allowed?
No, because then there's no character to see.
>If you think they shouldn't be allowed, who are you to decide?
One voice among the crowd. Majority opinion will still dominate though, that's why Moemi continues to be posted despite the one autist's campaign against her.
>You can say, "oh, but common sense..." but sooner or later this is going to be a shitty youtube general if there isn't a stricter definition in place.
No, I don't believe that at all. You're saying it's a slippery slope, but you haven't given any evidence that that would happen.
>up until some point in December, these threads were about 3D mocap youtubers and it was generally understood that this is what was required for something to count as a 'virtual youtuber'.
I started coming to these threads in early December and back then Moemi was already regularly being posted and no such arguments were erupting over her. It was only near the end of December that the "MOEMI ISN'T A VY" shitposter showed up, and he's been shitting up threads ever since.
>Obviously that's changed, though. I actually like Moemi and don't really give a shit that she's discussed here, but if we're being intellectually honest, then either she shouldn't be allowed OR she should be allowed but so should any random youtuber because they could technically be said to be "virtual" by one definition or another.
Except that Moemi is a character who is animated, the only difference between her and Noracat is that she's not 3D. Most people are not hung up on that distinction.

But hey, why not take a vote, then? If people want to define it, let's see what people think.
http://poal.me/tsc619
This poll obviously still has some room for further specification, but it should serve as a general indication of what people think right now.

>>18283514

>>18283518
>>18283519
tl;dr

>>18283518
>Why would I be wrong in saying that it refers to anyone on youtube because everything on youtube is virtual?
Because the adjective "virtual" applies to the term "YouTuber." If the YouTuber is virtual, then it's a virtual YouTuber. If the YouTuber is not virtual, then it's not a virtual YouTuber, even if she uploads videos that exist in cyberspace.

>Honestly, try thinking about your answer to that.
My answer follows the English language: adjectives apply to the nouns that follow them. Your tortured reinterpretation requires raping the English language to death to make some sort of retarded non-point.

>>18283468
>haven't played ygo in a while
>see first duel
>summon 1 monster
>allows to special 1 monster
>allows to special 1 blue monster
>chain effects allows to draw 3 cards and special 1 monster
>close video
Jesus... YuGiOh is an absolute wreck.

>>18283533
This. God damn, what a disingenuous retard, trying to claim that everything on the internet is virtual. I regret taking him seriously before.

>>18283541
Not as much as what Magic became.

>>18283550
CUTE!

>>18283550

>>18283541
At least Duel Links is serviceable. Well, for now at least.

>>18283550
is that airshit? i cant tell

>>18283533
>If the YouTuber is virtual, then it's a virtual YouTuber
Sure. Let's go with your definition then. The term "virtual youtuber" makes no mention of characters and no channels are run by virtual people. So there's no such thing as a virtual youtuber.

If you're going to suggest that it implies the characters on the screen are virtual, then (a) that's merely according to you, and (b) why would someone else be incorrect in saying that the term virtual (as used in the term "virtual youtuber") implies 3D mocap?

>>18283563
Anything other than hunting rifles is illegal in japan. And even then, hunting rifles without having a hunting license are also illegal.

We are in /jp/, what if we just let the japanese tell us what is a bacharu yuchuba?

>>18283559
YOU MONSTER

Can't we just go back to talk about the girls and post cute pictures?

>>18283574
Because this would be their answer: virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp

>>18283574
That's been talked about before and the Japanese aren't any clearer on it. e.g. Some count Moemi as one, others don't.

>>18283588
What's wrong with their answer?

>>18283589
I have seen plenty of instances of Moemi being counted, but not any specifying her as not being one.

>>18283593
It has Moemi so the list its perfect.

>>18283574
バーチャルユーチューバーは 愚かです

>>18283564
>no channels are run by virtual people. So there's no such thing as a virtual youtuber.
You're correct. Virtual YouTubers are fictional characters, and don't exist. There's no such thing as a gundam, either. However, the conceit of Kizuna Ai's channel is that Kizuna Ai is the one uploading the videos, and the fictional character Kizuna Ai is a YouTuber.

>If you're going to suggest that it implies the characters on the screen are virtual
All characters that appear on a screen are virtual. If you can find me a virtual YouTuber who is not a character you're free to call that a virtual YouTuber too.

>>18283588
fuck it, let's just go with that
it's their thing so they decide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WdEi6w5MlI
Whats the appeal of this chink?

>>18283608
shota

>>18283586
But Luna is a SLUT

>>18283595
I cannot be bothered going back and finding them, but one of the previous times this Moemi thing came up, there were examples of Japanese people on twitter on both sides (particularly when discussing Yomemi, back before Yomemi was actually released).

>>18283588
>NoraCat has more sub than YUA
The weak should fear the smug

>>18283588
>Noracat already surpassed Yua
Huh. When did that happen? Last I saw, he was behind Aoi.

And Aoi will surpass Yua in just a bit over 500 subscribers too...

Oh no.

>>18283619
Fuck this gay Earth.

>>18283615
>i have no evidence whatsoever for my claim but trust me, it exists

Cecil is really cute

>>18283619
>Windows 10
this old hag is an idiot

>>18283593
For started two of the top 10 are not real yuuchuba

>>18283626
Old people can't into computers.
Average nihongo can't into computers.
Do the math.

>>18283624
Not really

>>18283608
He's a cute shota with a cute voice. He's not exactly my type but there's not that many shotas around. When more enter the market he may fade away. He's actually more popular with Japanese than with Chinese, based on his Weibo followers.

>>18283619
>windows 10

>>18283630
Moemi and Yomemi?

>>18283635
>he

>>18283641
>chinese
>people

>>18283632
Yes really.

>>18283639
8位 and 9位, 10位 if you wanna push it

For those who watch Sora: Is Ankimo still ded? Also, did she play the games he (she) selected for her?

>>18283624
I wish she would do more loli things, there already enough yuuchuba that focus on singing

>>18283623
If you weren't a newfag, you'd have read it when it happened. I'm not required to dig up the evidence for you, dumb cunt.

>>18283655
>Is Ankimo still ded?
First BaraKaren Takashi and now Ankimo. What the fuck its going on in the baacharu warudo?

ATTENTION PLEASE

Let's just go with what the japs tell us and finally put a stop to any further doubts and arguing.

http://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/
If it's in there then it's a virtual youtuber and that's it, what do you think?

I say this as someone who doesn't consider several of those as virtual youtubers, but if we agree on this then I see no reason to keep arguing otherwise.

>>18283641
The character is male. I assume that the VA is female, though I have no idea. Also there's a girl that comes on named JJ, which if you into Chinese becomes 姐姐 or big sister apparently (don't know Chinese.) I think the same person does DD and JJ but uses a voice changer for JJ. Oh and DD is 弟弟 or little brother.

>>18283664
I can't agree with that list. As >>18283650 said there are many examples of not virtual youtubers listed.

>>18283664
The poll in >>18283519 already shows a general agreement. It's never been complicated, it's just one or two idiots stirring the pot.

>>18283672
>two idiots
Try a samefag.

>>18283664
Ok, what's your favorite Ami Yamato video?

>>18283677
Mine its that one with the hollow husk of a virtual youtuber.

>>18283666
If you know chinese why don't you translate their videos then satan?

>>18283677
none and I bet it's the same for you since you since no one has been nor will be posting about liking her

Don't start this shit again.

>>18283605
>the fictional character Kizuna Ai is a YouTuber
Even if we agree to exclude anyone who is strictly a real life human being (because the personalities on the screen aren't virtual), if a 'virtual character' is all that's required for something to be counted as a 'virtual youtuber', then that still leaves half of youtube. That's just stupid.

>>18283677
virtual youtuber != /jp/ virtual youtuber.

Not japanese, not /jp/ material.