/jp/ - Otaku Culture

Since everyone in uboachan is enjoying the hype (and seminal release), you had to come here with your shit, right?

What's this about?

>>18284371
http://yume-nikki.com/#p2
New game by Kadokawa under Kikiyama's supervision.

I guess I hope it's good

I don't think it is real

>>18285177
which part

i can't find any playthrough or preview so no one is buying?

>>18285195
my bad, it's 23rd february. ignore my question

>>18284379
>YUME NIKKI fans to bring you this modern indie title in the form of YUMENIKKI -DREAM DIARY-.
This diverging follow-up combines influences from the original game and other recent indie juggernauts to create something wholly unique.

So it's a fanfiction Yume 3kki type deal. It'll be edgy as fuck no doubt and oh-so-spooky.

>>18284105
Put him in and it's all good

>>18284379

>>18284379
>under Kikiyama's supervision
what

>>18285775
Those are absolutely beautiful.
Do we know who the artist is?

I think the reason why Madotsuki is looking a little weird is because she's so big. If she was half the height she is now she would look better. Realistic proportions generally make things ugly.

>>18284379
I fucking hate Kadokawa, they're the George Lucas of Japanese media

>>18287000
It means he said "okay" and went back to whatever his life ordinarily involves.

>>18284379
I wish he would update his website and say anything about this. Even just a single sentence would suffice.

>>18287480
He like, so absolutely and so obviously doesn't give a fuck about Yume Nikki. Whenever anything happens it seems to be because some third party contacted him. I dunno what he does for a living but he apparently has 0 passion for game creation. Which is weird, but hey, whatever

>>18287513
He's moved on like Notch has moved on past Minecraft.

>>18287513
Why should he care about some unfinished RPG maker game from a decade ago? If I had some shitty ancient half-finished RPG maker project that was inexplicably popular and someone came up to me and said "hey can I pay you money to remake this game?" I would go "fuck yeah".

>>18287616
It's not uncommon to become emotionally attached to your creations, even if they're a decade or two old or unfinished.

>>18287630
What emotion would prevent one from letting fans and businessmen remake a game that's loved?

>>18287426
Unlikely, considering they are also saying they are using his unused character designs.

>steam

I wasn't expecting much when I opened this thread but oh boy you guys are sounding very much like users from a certain other board so I guess there's really no point in engaging discussions, especially with those people who jumped on the Kadowaka ''hate'' bandwagon (and actually discovered the company last year, which is hilarious for an otaku board.)

>>18285775
I was expecting much worse

>>18288377
Where did the whole ironic weeaboo fad spring up from? It's like it popped out of nowhere. I fucking hate it.

>>18287000
>YUMENIKKI -DREAM DIARY- was created under supervision and with the full cooperation from the original creator, Kikiyama themselves.
We hope it will help to create a whole new wave of fans, as well as push the envelope in terms of what RPG Maker games can become.

>>18288517
2012 with /a/ memes and "culture" spreading outside 4chan

>>18284105
>DREAMDIARY - DREAM DIARY -

>>18288517
/jp/ circa 2010 - 2014

I only got into Yume Nikki in 2015 and even then I already feel bad for what jewkawa is trying to do with kikiyama's IP. I can only imagine what people who have known this game since the beginning must be feeling right now.

>>18289616
"New content! Nice"

>>18284105
Giv VR integration, than it would be fun to play high.

>>18289616
This >>18289686
Also "Kikiyama's alive!"

>>18287616
It's pretty fucking unusual to create that many original assets, program that many things, and compose so much music and then think "eh, fuck it, don't care"

>>18288517
It didn't. I think it's youtube's fault. Anime memes became popular, some shitty ironic weebs gained traction, and it lit up like fire. Like that fucking dipshit who analyzes OP videos. He's responsible for an IMMENSE amount of ironic cancer, but there are many others

>>18284105
What the fuck would a sequel even be about?

>>18291609
Is it a sequel? I think it's a remake

>>18291609
It's a 3D reimagining of the first game but luckily Kikiyama is overseeing the entire development of it. Look forward to his seminal release

>>18290803
I was thinking how much fun it would be if it had VR support, or if there was another abstract exploration game with VR support.

>>18291715
>It's a 3D reimagining of the first game

This already exists though.

>>18284105
Jesus fuck no.
>>18291715
>a 3D reimagining of the first game
Jesus fuck no no.
I think I'll just go visit Urotsuki again to see if I can forget about all this.

I just

>>18294179
HISS

I really hope KDKW leaves all the fangames alone. Actually, does anyone know if they have now ownership of the IP as a whole or just of this project?

It will be shit

>>18291094
I never seen those vids but that doesn't sound like an ironic weeb.
When I think of an ironic weeb, I think of melonpan or someone who pushes memes in everything they make.

>>18290803
neck yourself druggie

>>18294203
I don't know so I got that bundle an anon on /t/ made.

>>18294203
What do you mean the IP? As in, they are the complete owners of YN? Doesn't look like it, considering there's the mention to Kikiyama and Yume Nikki Project in the copyright sections of the page. If the info they are giving us is all there is to it, it looks more like a cooperative project than anything.

Wasn't there already a 3d fan game or two?
Unless there's vr compat and massively expanded object interaction, I don't see why anyone would buy it.

>>18291086
No it's not, especially with RPG maker games. And most of the assets are just scribbles anyway, not like they're high effort or anything. Neither is the music much of anything, assuming he created it and it isn't from some long dead free music site.

Although it might be unusual, especially around here, to have to motivation to start anything in the first place.

>>18289686
Yume Nikki has been my favorite game of all time since I first played it 12 years ago. You're a fucking moron if you think any fan of the original sees this third party cash grab as 'new content'. Yume Nikki is a finished game, it doesn't need sequels or new content

>>18291086
Have you considered that he DOES care about it deeply and doesn't want to tarnish his creation like so many other shameless creators?

>>18295175
>finished
0.10
That aside, yume nikki:DREAM DIARY has Kikiyama's stamp of approval and will be featuring content from him, I don't see anything being tarnished here.
Please give me more surreal adventure games, dear shameless creators. - A fan of the original

>>18295246
>I don't see anything being tarnished here.
The entire visual style from the original game, for example. There's also the fact that this official fan project came out of nowhere a long fucking time after the original game was released, that fact alone makes it feel like a cash grab directed at the half of the fanbase that just wants "more" Yume Nikki.
>0.10
For a game that has that much content and an ending on top of never having been updated for more than a decade, yes I'd say that it's pretty complete, regardless of that number.

>>18295058
>Wasn't there already a 3d fan game or two?
There was that one Yume Nikki 3d fangame from 2013, but it was unfinished and most areas weren't a recreation from the original game.

>>18295175
>Have you considered that he DOES care about it deeply
No.

What reality are you from in which not demonstrating care means you care? It's fine if he doesn't care. Nothing wrong with it, just saying it's strange.

>>>/v/

>>18295320
Yume Nikki is /jp/-related content.

>>18295275
How do you know the entire visual style is being tarnished when you haven't seen the game yet? Why is change tarnishing? Who is this imaginary fanbase half that have pockets lined with gold that will somehow make a fan remake released long after the original's heyday a cashgrab?
0.10 might have been complete for you but I still had some hope in me for an update, eventually, but this is probably going to be as good.

>>18295059
I can't think of many long and complex efforts that were completed, after which the sole creator of that thing was like ehhhh can't be arsed any more. And that's the key, there's nothing very simple about Yume Nikki. It's quite huge after all. Sure there are plenty of one and done RPG maker games but I'm hard pressed to point to another with that much thought and effort.

But really I don't care much. There are creators like that, however rare they may be. I think it's unfortunate we don't get anything else from him but I have no ire.

>>18294179
The graphics could almost pass for a PS2 game, which would be cool, but there's a slight tinge of unity engine quality about it. Reminds me of yohjo simulator.

>>18295374
If it looked more like a PS1 game I would be very happy.

>>18295345
Did you not see the screenshot? >>18294179
Or any of the others that show up on google or steam or playism or the 50 websites reporting on this?

Ignoring the rest of the inane ramblings, switching to 3d fundamentally alters the experience because the viewable area has increased. Increasing the distance between objects will make the game even more of a drag, and unlike the 2d version the designer has no guarantee the player will be facing a given direction at any given time, so I posit the game will have some weird mixture of zoomed-in forced-combat / fixed position areas like the linked post and empty free-roaming areas like pic related. That, or the game will take control of the camera during fixed events or, god forbid, cutscenes, making it more of a railroaded themepark than a walking simulator. Either way, neither option is ideal for continuing the spirit of the original since "wander around and play with effects" is far less captivating when given a 3d space to work with. This is really what all the whinging is about.

>>18295935
I've heard it's probably a fixed-camera game. Maybe even a sidescroller.

>>18296450
>Maybe even a sidescroller.
That would be even worse. You can't capture the apparent vastness of all those endlessly looping areas with a sidescrolling game.

I'm interested in seeing how they handle looping areas. That's one part I'm having trouble figuring out how to get working with my own 3D game. I might force a top-down view in those areas but that doesn't sound like fun.

>>18295363
> to point to another with that much thought and effort.
I really like Yume Nikki, but many aspects of the game are average for an RPG Maker game.
The game isn't a high effort RPG Maker game, and it's clearly visible.

>>18290803
DUDE

>>18295363
>I can't think of many long and complex efforts that were completed, after which the sole creator of that thing was like ehhhh can't be arsed any more.
Elona is a pretty relevant example, although not an RPG maker game.

>>18298202
Use mysterious fog to only show a limited area at a time.

>>18288377
That pretty much extreme worry there. I don’t expect touhou to even boom because of steam, and at most, that period is gone. There will be westerners that like touhou and crap, but I don’t fear it’ll be killed by “ironic weebs”. They’re too idiotic and stupid to play a bullet hell

>>18299640
People don't play games anymore, they watch youtubers play them and make goofy voices.

>>18299567
I entirely disagree.

Remember me?

>>18287343
You're a moron. Pretty much everything in this industry has ties to Kadokawa. They're a giant company.

>>18299779
Even then, you’d think anyone would even stream the game on twitch or put a let’s play on youtube? It’s practically not going to happen

>>18299640
It's not worry, it's people fantasizing and jerking off about ''apocalyptic'' scenarios, people on this site love it as much as bees love their honey.
That image is already idiotic and very, very silly (fucker has absolutely no idea about dojin game scene, like 99% of circles would or even COULD pander to anyone but a few hundreds at best customers) but what's even worse is that there are people who actually screencap those posts and fucking post them here.

>>18299976
No, but from the looks of it, you need to fuck off back to your furrygirl thread.

The most I can muster about a fan project like this is >>18285138

>>18288403
>especially with those people who jumped on the Kadowaka ''hate'' bandwagon (and actually discovered the company last year, which is hilarious for an otaku board.)
I like this idea that has no supporting evidence that people here didn't know about Kadokawa. Ever consider that people might not be happy that they have their fingers in all aspects of otaku culture?

>>18300320
>I like this idea that has no supporting evidence that people here didn't know about Kadokawa.
Dude, people here asked about it because they didn't know what that company was.
The very same thing happened on the anime and manga board, with people discovering that it's Kadokawa that publishes the oh-so-loved Dungeon Meshi on the magazine Harta, just for giving an example.
If you want to see more you can just at the archives.
>Ever consider that people might not be happy that they have their fingers in all aspects of otaku culture?
Sure, but that's another discourse and it doesn't really apply to most people here because as you may already know most people here straight up refuse to buy something it if can pirated, even Touhou mainline games,
and beggars can't be choosers, so that's end of it if you ask me.

>>18299634
I might just have to do that. Thank you.

>>18299596
WEED

>>18300361
>The very same thing happened on the anime and manga board, with people discovering that it's Kadokawa that publishes the oh-so-loved Dungeon Meshi on the magazine Harta, just for giving an example.
All the people who really rode the KF hate train off a cliff knew from the beginning they were going up against basically a third of all manga and light novel imprints and that much more anime to boot. The threads were fairly realistic about sharing information to people who hadn't cared up until then (which is also normal, as most naturally care much more about end products rather than production logistics).

Whenever something becomes a big deal a lot of casuals will get swept up in it but it doesn't mean that nobody knows anything.

>>18288517
Integration of 4chan with the rest of social media culture.

>>18299640
I participate in tabletop wargaming and it feels much the same way, normies make attempts to penetrate the scene but stay out for two reasons.
1. it provides no social capital
2. it's really hard

These provide good gatekeeping. You have the occasional SJW weirdo that prods the community, but normies aren't generally interested because colonizing the community is too difficult. Movies are easy, mainstream vidya is easy, even D&D or MTG is easy. Some of those provide social capital through streaming or otherwise attention whoring. But things like Touhou and tabletop wargaming are just not good fodder for normie colonization.

>>18301859
>normie

Even with that word, it’s a good point. People don’t have much interest in the games themselves nor the lore. They’d just jump in thinking it’s an anime where it’s only girls and they do lesbo acts to each other.

The future is fine, and there will always be people who will be interested in bullet hells regardless

I don't even know what ironic weeb even means anymore. I've heard people use it to describe normalfags who are bothered by basic anime shit like sexualizing high schoolers, as well as describing people who liked Eromanga Sensei.

Give me a good definition, /jp/. /a/ seems to use it to describe whoever they don't like.

>>18302102
People who meme with animes, I guess would be my best definition, but they don't actually care about anime to any particular degree. They laugh at it rather than with it, like "ha ha, look at how ridiculous this anime shit is. but I don't like anime though"

>>18302115
This description makes sense, but it doesn't fit the usage in this thread. If some facebook using beta weeb buys touhou, I don't think he'd be doing it ironically. He'd be doing it for social capital among his weeaboo clique.

>>18295935
So basically, "I don't like change, wah." That's fine, just don't play it. Nothing's going to tarnish your precious original.

>>18295935
So basically, "I don't like change, wah." That's fine, just don't play it. Nothing's going to tarnish your precious original.
I wasn't sure if the screenshots were actually from the game, but from the two in this thread, it looks absolutely fine, the pastel sea looks great.

Ok the 3D of the game doesn't look the best, but could you at least wait until it's out before shitting it to the smithereens?

This concentrated /v/ autism is so fucking bad.

>>18302722
The 3D looks fine to me. What does it need? Gear of war quality gritty textures?

>>18302722
Are you pretending to be retarded?

>>18299976

>>18302116
>He's [watching/reading/playing] it for social capital among his weeaboo clique.

You just defined ironic weeb in the most concise way yourself.

>>18300101
Pretty much this. I think its a copypasta because I know ive seen it around here quite a few times before and the post clearly has a bad understanding of doujin culture. The apocalypse of doujin and otaku culture in general seems like a legitimate fetish some people on this board have.

>>18303093
> The apocalypse of doujin and otaku culture in general seems like a legitimate fetish some people on this board have.
I wouldn't call it a fetish.
Many Anons are hysterical when there's even the slighest chance that a niche product can become mainstream.
That video games became mainstream is probably partially responsible for such extreme reactions.
But this doesn't change the fact, that many /jp/ anons fear and actually believe all the "this ends doujin/otaku" panic.

>the post clearly has a bad understanding of doujin culture
That's entirely true, and I myself see currently no reason to worry about the future of doujin culture.
There's some validity in the concern that the doujin scene opens more to the global market, but this doesn't necessarily need to be a negative.
Still if there are actual legitimate reasons to fear for a Western take-over of the doujin scene, then I am one of the first with a pitchfork in my hands.

>>18302102
You know those people who are like
>Lmao I love gaming look at my zelda shirt LOL such a gamerrr~~~
But clearly their passion lies in showing off an interest for social points rather than in the interest itself.
Same idea.

>>18303414
Hey completely unrelated to this post, but does anyone know how much does hiring a hitman cost?

>>18303363
"""doujin culture""" ended in the 70s. Why do you think zun wanders around japan giving old man rants at universities?

>>18287139
>>18294179
This looks dumb. The whole reason YN was remarkable in any way was largely because of the fact that it was a shitty 2d RPGmaker game.

>>18303414
Shit like this makes me hope that YouTube keeps pulling out more decisions that fuck over these faggots in the future.

I don't personally give a shit about Yume Nikki, and I think people bitch about Kadokawa too much, but this seems like it's going to be youtube bait to me.

>>18303681
Shitty 2D RPGmaker games wouldn't sell to the current population though, unless you made the sprites completely unintelligible or added a billion effects. So they went with the even worse option of turning everything into bad 3D.

>>18303414
That's not even all, they also make bank by ''abusing'' or misrepresenting a fandom they're not even interested in.
Shit like that pisses me off the most.

>>18301747
LMAO

>>18302102
I have to agree with >>18303038. So it'd be doing something not because you like it, but because of some other reason. Be it a joke, to gain friendship points within a certain friend group, etc.

>>18303912
But it seems like unrelated things that people don't line is being attached to this. If someone tries Yume Nikki because of a YouTuber and likes it, is that person an ironic weeb? Because his entry point was cancer?

I'm legitimately worried about companies like Netflix and studios like trigger increasing the influence of westerners in Japanese entertainment. Twitter is pretty eye opening as to how awful most people who consume nip media and yet consider it "problematic" are. But I don't know what can be done to stop it.

>>18303414
jesus christ

>>18304424
>what can be done
Be glad more people are putting money into your field which generates more products for you to enjoy?

>>18304844
>which generates more products for you to enjoy?
Except it doesn't.
The industry already works at max capacity, and there are not enough animators for more productions.
That's also the reason for the heavy usage of CG in dance/mecha scenes, it's not that the CG is cheaper, it's that you can't get enough experienced animators to do it with 2D.
After stabilizing in 2014, the industry produces around 120,000 minutes of animation every year.
This remains consistent, even though the revenue increased from 16.2 billion yen (2014) to 20 billion yen (2016).
The big trend for anime productions, is that there are less daytime anime and more late night anime every year.

>>18304424
> increasing the influence of westerners in Japanese entertainment.
You should be more worried about Chinese influence in Japanese entertainment, they are a bigger market than the West.
>But I don't know what can be done to stop it.
2 things can be done to lower Western/Chinese influence.
Strengthening the Japanese market, which can even be done by foreigners if they directly import otaku related content.
The second thing is strengthening weak anime markets (Eastern Europe, South America, Middle East, Afrika, some SEA countries).
If the international anime market is made up out of multiple different sizeable markets, then it becomes a risk to pander to any market except the Japanese.

>>18305439
>The industry already works at max capacity, and there are not enough animators for more productions.
The anime industry isn't immune to supply and demand. If the demand for animators goes up, so will salaries and the number of animators.

>>18305554
The anime production system makes it very hard for animator salaries to go up, the increase in revenue goes largely to the big corporations.

> If the demand for animators goes up, so will salaries and the number of animators.
Training animators takes a long time, you can't just magically wish talented animators into existance.
There's also a public stigma that the job pays like shit, which is still true.
It also isn't the smartest idea to directly apply the standart supply & demand model to a highly unique market.
Outside faktors do heavily influence the curve.
There's the risk of you not being good enough to become a key animator, degrading you to a betweener who needs to compete with cheap SEA labour.
The job as a 2D animator isn't just bad it's outright terrible, the only reason for people to work as animators is that they love anime.
Even tripling the animator wage wouldn't attract normalfags.

>>18305439
>Except it doesn't.
Somebody post that 90's seasonal chart with a grand total of five fucking anime on it.

>The industry already works at max capacity
More shit comes out every season. Not even including theaters.

>and there are not enough animators for more productions
That's what chinese and korean slave labor and cg is for.

>it's not that the CG is cheaper
oh u

>it's that you can't get enough experienced animators to do it with 2D.
It's because you can more with 2d than 3d. You just stopped watching things ten years ago and don't know how far it's come, or what's on the horizon.

>After stabilizing in 2014, the industry produces around 120,000 minutes of animation every year.
>3 years
>stable
Not sure where this number comes from anyway when the number of web, short, and independent animation keeps going up every year.

>This remains consistent, even though the revenue increased from 16.2 billion yen (2014) to 20 billion yen (2016).
Let's take this and your last point as true, then. I'm sure you won't argue against the fact that the quality of work has been steadily increasing, which should still equal more products for you to enjoy IF YOU ACTUALLY WATCH ANIME. See previous point.

>The big trend for anime productions, is that there are less daytime anime and more late night anime every year.
Silly distinction when premium anime networks exists, but even so daytime anime was always kid's stuff meant to promote games and toys, and they aren't exactly the type to discuss keyframes on Malaysian Airline forums. There are only so many hours in a day no matter what time it is, and you just claimed there is no increase in work despite making more money, using cgs, and using the same time slot, so what are you even trying to say?

Just be honest and say you hate people and don't want them in your isolated little world. No need for this much justification.

>Strengthening the Japanese market, which can even be done by foreigners if they directly import otaku related content.
>giving something more money will prevent something from changing things to gather more of that money
Jesus Christ.

>>18305797
All my numbers come from the AJA anime industry report. Which you would be aware of, if you had any clue about what you're talking.
>More shit comes out every season. Not even including theaters
This is true. And I should have made it more clear, but I was talking about TV animation production minutes.
The number of anime doesn't equal the number of production minutes. That there are less 2 cour anime is visible for any active anime watcher.
2015 had 341 different TV anime airing spread over 115300 minutes.
2006 had 279 different TV anime airing spread over 136400 minutes.

>Jesus Christ.
Your misuse of greentext is disgusting, I don't give a shit that it's the current year, >implying is and was always for retards.

OP here what the fuck

>>18305977
thread status: derailed

Why do people even still watch anime in 2018? It's been shit for years.

>>18306599
Something to do and look forward to.

>>18304844
Why? None of that money is going to animators or even production staff. It's getting pocketed by the production committees. The anime hasn't gotten better either. I see more CG shit every season.

Really, the only people who don't reek of normalfaggotry that could be pleased with this turn of events are light novel fans. There are more fan translations despite Yen Press lagging behind official releases by years.

Why the fuck would you think that the average retard who watches those youtube anime reviews and shit like >>18303414 contributes in any way to "the industry"? Fucking hell, the biggest part of them watches anime on shit like kissanime or other streaming sites because they know/aren't willing to know any better.
Great job on the derail in any case.

>>18303414
People with anime avatars shopped next to the popular current meme. I've hated this and I'm at least glad there's a word for it now. I think imageboard culture spilling out is to blame, a lot of this would be big on here or /a/ five or more years ago.

>>18288517
It got really popular when youtube clowns and streamers started doing it as 'content'

>>18287630
Hence the mountains worth of cash

>>18288517
'Don't use the word hate so much' -somedeadguy

>>18295175
Your favorite game for the last twelve years has been THAT pile of garbage?

And you don't want to see a new take on it? Like you said, it is a "finished" game. New additions to the series won't change that game in any way.

>>18300101
except they arent wrong though

>>18306599
not really, i have been enjoying watching some current seasons as well as catching up on some older ones i did not watch

>>18302806
I think LSD Dream Emulator style art would fit really well with the original actually.

The new trailer for it looks pretty good. I'm hoping they don't spoil anything until release day

>>18318900
It shouldn't be the kind of game you can spoil. That means it has a plot and like jump scares or some shit.

I can't wait for Kikiyama's seminal release any longer.

>>18319934
slut

>>18293931
People who are afraid of change tend to get murdered by silly people. Just a heads up.

>>18306599
Everything is shit, you just stick with whatever you can tolerate enough to dig for the gems

>>18303681
>2004: shitty RPGmaker game
>2018: shitty unity game

Same thing, different era.

>>18324169
Not all change is good, just in case you didn't know.

>>18295175
I know how you feel. It's one of my favorite games too, easily top 10. I am also a huge fan of the genre, so I like that it gained more followers, but I'm not feeling good about a game trying to pass off as the "original" when the creator wasn't really involved in it.
Similar to people who doesn't like Dragon Ball GT, even though Toriyama himself had some minimal involvement in it.

>>18289616
I'm really skeptical about it, I'm just reading about it now, so I don't have much info, but from what I have been reading here, I'm not feeling good about it.

>>18302684
>Nothing is going to tarnish your precious original
It is, if the creator acknowledge them as canon, those characters are tarnished, and by default, all the games they were in too.

For example, if they discover that a main actor in a show for kids that stopped making new episodes is a huge pedophile, the show itself is tarnished.

>>18331705
That's your own fucking problem, you're the one choosing for it to be tarnished in your own mind.

>>18331780
You are so fucking dense. The actual game file isn't going to become a virus, but the image of the game is going to be tarnished for everyone who sees it. It's how the normal human brain works, why do you think there are so many people who says stuff like "This is ruining Star Wars", or "I hate what they are doing with Pokemon".

>>18331856
The whole concept of "Destroying your childhood" is based off this tarnishing mentality. It's normal for most people to associate personal images of something, and for most people, having a bad image attached to one they liked is a bad thing.

>>18327986
Oh yes it is.

Get tarnished nerd.

>>18331677
People don't like gt because it's bad, not because of the people involved with it you mong.

>>18331856
>a bad sequel makes the original bad

>>18336875
>people involved in the development of a show has no bearings on the product

>a bad sequel makes the original bad
lrn2rd.

>>18336911
>GOTCHA BITCH
Let me rewrite that since the short version came out like shit.
Correlation is not causation. The mere presence of an individual does not directly determine an outcome. Toriyama is actually a bad example on his part because he is famous for having his editors do everything for him. The original post was saying "kikiyama = good, kikiyama + anything else IS NECESSARILY bad," which is a fallacy. The bigger point here is that the game COULD be shit because the entire concept is shit, and going to 3d isn't going to help it. But he can't see that because as far as he's concerned, the evul manestreem corporashuns ruin everything they touch and he doesn't want normal people anywhere near his little hole.

>>18336875
And people don't like this Unity-level thing because based on everything we've seen so far it's bad as well.

>>18340625
All the YN fangames are bad. Why should this be an exception?

>>18342308
A lot of them had that 8bit feeling. So it would be better if it had that playstation 1 3d feeling, not a shitty modern 3d.

Also, it would be a nice throwback to the old times when having more pixels didn't mean shit if the gameplay was awful, and people wouldn't make shitty games and call it "artistic".

>>18342382
>8bit feeling
pixel art does not mean "8bit", nor is that a genre of games.

>>18284379
>Under Kikiyama's supervision
Calling bullshit, especially since no one on 2ch, 2chan, 4chan, uboachan, and more have been able to get in reasonable contact with Kikiyama, no official channel for them has ever been updated to confirm his supervision, and Kadokawa is known to be shady as shit and I wouldn't doubt lying is something they aren't used to. They're going to need to give more proof than some "unused designs" which can be drawn by anyone.

>>18289334
>>18289253
This. Those were bad times for /a/. Especially around 2014.

>>18303681
said nobody except turboautists such as yourself

>>18342829
This is why I said "feeling", it's not because the art per se is made in 8bit, it was probably made in 24 or 16, but that is what the genre is called, you liking it or not.

>pixel art or 8bit isn't a genre of games
It literally is, read up the definition of genre.

>>18345418
Even though you said "people wouldn't make shitty games and call it "artistic"", you think those shitty indie "retro" style games are good, don't you?

Also YN's gameplay is awful.

>>18346028
>you think those shitty indie "retro" style games are good, don't you?
You mean those that have sticks for legs? No, I don't.

>>18346028
>Also YN's gameplay is awful.
There is a reason the game has a following, the game has a mix of exploration, puzzle, and mystery that no other game had. And it all had that unsettling feeling of not being alone, even though you were walking alone for half an hour.
If I could compare, it was similar to Myst in some ways.

>>18346218
Liking Myst and praising YN's gameplay. You must be some sort of double autist.

I wouldn't have been able to make it through YN without the speed glitch. It's just slowly walking through loops until you find a door. While I did like "Myst clones" Myst itself is just like "buy the strategy guide": the game, so I cant get into something like that.

>And it all had that unsettling feeling of not being alone, even though you were walking alone for half an hour.
I don't even know or understand your feeling here.

>mix of exploration, puzzle, and mystery
Honestly, YN would fight right alongside those 'shitty "artistic" games', because that's what they go for. And I'm not saying that as an insult.

>>18346268
I bet you cheat your way out of any hard game.

>>18346268
>doesn't like myst
>likes myst clones
It's ok, you are just shit at games. No wonder, games have just becoming easier and easier, and nowadays anyone calls himself a gamer.

>>18346268
>I don't even know or understand your feeling here.
It's because you never actually played the game. You think that reading a walkthrough and speeding through shit is the same as playing a game. It's like watching a movie that you already know the story, it's a completely different experience.

>>18346475
I played YN before there was a walkthrough, buddy. It was just repetitive and mostly boring.

>>18346459
I don't like autistic shit. Myst isn't even a real game, it's a picture book.(same for its "clones") I play stuff like strategy games, STG, and action (arcade type) games primarily.

Also, calling yourself a gamer is for faggots and /v/.

>>18346342
I do not.

>>18342308
>All the YN fangames are bad
Play .flow and Yume2kki, then ignore everything else. They both did the homage to Yume Nikki bit much better than whatever the fuck this is, by being their own things that was still based on the original game, and .flow even managed to do some plot while at it.
This new game doesn't seem to have anything Yume Nikki-like other than Madotsuki, some characters and some settings, hell even that YN Metroidvania made in Flash (Houchou Shoujo Monogatari, if I recall correctly) did a better job of being a fangame with a different goal.

>>18346527
Congratulations, that means that Yume Nikki is not a game for you. And that's perfectly fine.
Now what the fuck are you doing in a thread about Yume Nikki if you don't like it?

benis

Are some of you so attached to the original game being that "indie darling".

Its a stupid notion. Move on.

I played it back in the day, it was okay for what it was, but I guess couldn't be too into it as all my friend were the ironic weeb type who played it because the internet told them to.

>>18346636
>Now what the fuck are you doing in a thread about Yume Nikki if you don't like it?
Because I'm allowed to join in whatever thread I want. This is a message board, not a hugbox. Also, I don't dislike YN(note my original post >>18342308 ), but it has awful gameplay.

>>18346623
Plot and horror and deep meanings aren't Yume Nikki like. If this game manages to be about just walking around and seeing weird shit, it's pretty much Yume Nikki more than the fangames.

>>18347614
This except instead of ironic weeaboos, which didn't exist back then, I watched the formation of the horror RPG maker game fad while feeling like the sole person who remembered it's not a horror game.

>>18347614
>>18347725
I remember it being one of those games that you would just feel sad playing, and everything in the game was made to the player feel that, the emptiness of the maps, either unresponsiveness or aggressiveness of the npcs, themes of the worlds, weirdness of the creatures, the backgrounds of the maps, and even the "story" of the game leading to a fitting end.
Some people liked that kind of game, either they found joy among that, or just enjoyed feeling sad, and by the looks of it, it was much more than "just some people".

>>18347725
There's nothing "plot and horror" about those though - .flow goes a bit further than YN's basic plot of gathering 24 effects, dropping them off and then dropping off but all interpretations of everything that happens are still left to the player, and then 2kki is just a random collection of dreams. On the other hand, based on the little we've seen about YNDD so far with its cutscenes and expressive characters I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up having a full-blown story told through text with jump scares everywhere or the like.
>>18347614
I don't like YN because it's "indie", I like it because I find it interesting. Walking on looping maps for minutes at a time in hopes of finding something to interact with or a warp to a new area while listening to 10 second loops is surprisingly enjoyable.

I think the original game was pretty shit but I'm interested to see how the remake or whatever this is turns out.

Madotsuki needs to be a loli. She looks like a Sims 2 character in these screenshots.

>>18288517
Nekopara

I'd have to be pretty drunk to buy now in unity walking simulator: walk even more for 20 dollars

3d pig disgusting

>>18348387
Nekopara itself isnt a problem. Like many things, its all of the youtube autists with even more autistic fanbases that made a bunch of "ironic weeebs" spring up around it. There is no way of knowing what this will happen too and what these types of people will attach themselves too. Keep in mind that there is far from being one sole blame for this type of thing, its a combination of things that have created this culture over the years.
And its really a shame that so many shitters like Nekopara because I personally enjoy it. Visual Novels arent usually my thing but I make an exception for Nekopara because its very comfy and relaxed. There is just a certain charm too it that makes me enjoy despite not being big on the genre of "game" and the fact thats its a very simple and standard example of the genre. At least my reasoning isnt "lul catgurlz", though I know my opinion is fairly unpopular around here.

>>18348387
Learn the difference between something a group of people lap up and attach themselves to and the origin of a group of people