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Best superpower ever.

Shiki is a Mary Sue.

>>Shiki is the best damn Mary Sue.

sup

>>1822793
Do you even know what a Mary Sue is? I don't think you do.

>LOL ASPECT RATIO!

I`d marry this sue if you know what I mean?

Mary Sue is a term in use primarily in Fan Fic circles to describe a particular type of character. This much everyone can agree on. What that character type is, exactly, differs wildly from circle to circle, and often from person to person.

The name comes from the 1974 Star Trek fanfic "A Trekkie's Tale". Originally written as a parody of the standard Self Insert Fic of the time (as opposed to any particular traits), the name was quickly adopted by the Star Trek fanfiction community. Its original meaning mostly held that it was an Always Female Author Avatar, regardless of character role or perceived quality. Often, said characters would get in a relationship with either Kirk or Spock, turn out to have a familial bond with a crew member, be a Half Human Hybrid masquerading as a human, and/or die in a graceful, beautiful way to reinforce that the character was Too Good For This Sinful Earth. Even back then, there wasn't a total consensus on what was or wasn't Mary Sue, since it's not always immediately obvious which character is an Author Avatar.

>>1822859

*secret Troper handshake*

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>>1822897
@#@

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I didn't like the weak me, so I killed that part of myself

>>1822889

TVTropes! I have spent countless hours on there for no damn reason. Why are you so addicting, TVTropes!?

>>1822931

Could you kill the bot doing >>1822915 while you're at it?

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>>1822937

It's a fun place.

*sekrit troper facelick*

>>1822937
It's indicative of the sort of people maintaining TVTropes that the list of most highly documented sources is topped by Star Trek with double the quantity of the runner-up.

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>>1822993

Well, it only makes sense. Trekkies were the original "fandom" and there's so damn much Trek material out there after 45 years.

Is there anything Ryougi cant kill?
I mean, if she got so pissed at the world or something couldnt she just kill it? Earth? Life/existence itself?
I dont really understand her eyes limitations.

>>1823308
I believe that her eyes are pretty overpowered. She has obviously been able to kill a super-natural phenomenom like Fujino~n's power or Fujioh's ghostly friends.

I think so long as something has flaws/mortality/death - she can kill it. Though she says that she can even kill gods - so i dunno....

she's pretty imba to say the least though.

>>1822779
What a slut.

Holy shiet she's gonna kill the weak herself!

What a tweest!

>>1823308
She cant kil servants

3rd personality Shiki is the root itself. it can kill everything by saying "you are already dead" or "you never existed lololol"

>>1823308
She cant kill servants

3rd personality Shiki is the root itself. it can kill everything by saying "you are already dead" or "you never existed lololol"

>>1823335
she can't kill servants but she can kill the concept of servents

>>1823339
Even servants have flaws, she can kill them.

>>1823345
No it would toast her brain. Nasu agreed

>>1823354
it would for tohno, not ryougi

>>1823356
You sure about this?

There was soemthing about Ryougi is able to put up a defensive fight against failstat servants

>>1823356
You sure about this?

There was something about Ryougi is able to put up a defensive fight against failstat servants


fuck i cant type

>>1823364
positive

>>1823364
Ryougi has godhax, shiki only has demigodhax.

>>1823364
not just failstat. if we use the fujino fight as a baseline, she can kill an invisible magical distortion.

think it would be much harder to kill a caster beam, or excalibur's energy?

Ryogi has excellent ranged defense, and her melee skills are above average for a human. I think she might have trouble against someone like Lancer or Berserker since they have huge reach, but against Archer, Saber, Caster, Rider, and Assassin she could prolly hold her own, if not win.

Beast`s Lair had a discussion about this.
Ryougi could even kill Excalibur beams if she is able to react fast enough

>>1823387
>Berserker
>huge reach
His sword isnt that long.
And couldnt Archer use caladbolg?

>>1823387
Saber would destroy her. She is a monster in close combat. Same for berserker and Lancer

Gilgamesh would fuck up like always

Ryougi could just kill Lancer's weapon

>>1823394
It's a goddam arrow, even saber managed to avoid it at the last second.It's only good for a sneak attack.

BY KILLING THE CONCEPT OF MY DEFEAT, I WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO LOSE

>>1823398
Lancers weapon would hit her even after it is killed

>>1823417
Unless it never existed

>>1823406
Its still more reach than Berserker, which is what im getting at.

>>1823414
/thread

>>1823419
The curse still exists.

what if Ryougi killed the concept of concepts

Fuck her hax!

Why Ryougi why? Your long hair... ;_;

>>1823427
Unless it never existed

>>1823433
Nasu out of business

What if Ryougi killed the concept of ORT

what if Ryougi killed the need to survive by breathing in oxygen?

will she be able to survive in outer space?

>>1823442
Ortfags would be pissed

>>1823453
yes

>>1823453
ask Nasu

>>1823442
>>1823454

Actually ORT doesn't have lines.

It's a walking (er, sleeping) hax machine.

>>1823442
Might not be able to do that...

But might be able to kill ORTs concepts of tentacles and Crystal Valley, making it crippled.

>>1823460
What if she killed the concept of it not having lines

>>1823462
Ort has regeneration hax for sure lol

>>1823466

Then her head pops.

>>1823462

No lines to cut for tentacles OR Crystal Valley.

I watched the series, and I don't understand the dual personality deal. Can ppl answer some questions for me?

1. Does she end up in the hospital because she got hit by the truck (in the previous ep)?

2. What happened to the "other" her?

3. Why does she stab herself?

4. Did her "misanthropic" personality die?

I'm so confused.

>>1823471
has that ever been confirmed.

you stupid shit.

>>1823476

All the other Types have nigh-invincible bodies. Why should ORT be different?

>>1823478

Then her head collapses into a black hole.

>>1823473
What if she killed the concept of her head popping

3rd personality shiki > everything

>>1823473
what if she killed the concept of her head exploding beforehand?

>>1823473
what if she killed the concept of the concept of not being able to kill ORT

>>1823475
1,2 and 4 are questions that are answered in the future films.
She stabbed herself to kill the spirit that tried to possess her.

>>1823483
What if she killed the concept of her head collapsing into a black hole

>>1823476
we are talking about the godmother of HAX here

she was never harmed so no one knows

>>1823485
She stabbed herself to kill her weak self so the spirit couldn't possess her

>>1823486

Then her head would pop.

She could only kill one before dying due to the other.

>>1823488

So did she still have another "self" in her?

>>1823490
what if she killed the concept of her dying

>>1823492

Then she goes comatose forever.

>>1823493
It is called GOD

>>1823493
no, her personality now is what's left of Shiki without her weak self and is considered a 3rd personality

>>1823488
The novel suggests otherwise.

>>1823494
what if she killed the concept of her going camatose before killing the concept of her dying

>>1823505
ask Nasu

>>1823505
She becomes God

In the chapter 4 part 5 of the story, at this scene there says
"Shiki perceives the death of the thing crawling around inside her."
which means that she killed the thing inside of her, not her weak self. Because I don't think her weak self is a "thing crawling around inside her".

>>1823513
metaphors

>>1823519
No, clearly it means the spirit that tries to possess her.

>>1823521
The anime suggests otherwise

>>1823505

She would die from killing the concept of comatose.

>>1823528
faget

ORT > Type Jupiter > Type Saturn = Crimson Moon > Type Pluto > Type Venus > Primate Murder > Original Roa > Angra Mainyu > Gun God (Black Barrel) = Ado Edem > Zelretch > Counter Guardian Archer > Dark Sakura = Gilgamesh = Arcueid > Dark Berserker = Dark Saber > Lancelot = Saber > 5th Berserker = Roa Elesia > 4th Caster > 5th Lancer > 4th Lancer = 5th Caster > 4th Rider > 5th Rider > Nrvnqsr = Clairvoyant Fujino = Kurogiri > Archer = 5th Assassin = 4th Assassin > Aoko = Kouma = Barthomeloi = Kojirou = Ciel = "Ryougi Shiki" = Soren Araya > Touko = El-Melloi = Night of Wallachia > Sion Tatari = Melty Blood Satsuki = R.Shiki = Akiha = Fujino = 18th Roa > SHIKI = Arba (potentially) = Heaven’s Feel Shirou = Kiri > Nanaya = Reinforced Kuzuki = Sion = UBW Shirou = Waver = Bazett > Avenger = Rin = Kotomine = Zouken = Luvia > Kiritsugu = Irisviel > Maiya = Arba (usually) = Leysritt = Tsukihime Satsuki = Lio = Avalon Shirou = Sakura = Ilya = Kariya = Len > Kirie = Caren = Meruka > The Dead = Possessed Corpse = Azaka = Misayo = Dragon Tooth Warrior = Fuji-nee > Fake Shiki > Kohaku > Shinji = Ryuunosuke = Tomoe = Gun God (unequipped) > Hisui

>>1823530

LOL ORT

>>1823526
She says the same thing in the novel too.
But what she says doesn't matter, because she is just being dramatic as always

hai gais wuts goin on in dis thread?

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Why are concepts so important? Even if there were no concept of death things would still die. There are many things not conceived of yet they are still real.

>>1823543
so DEEP

>>1823532
Who the fuck is Kurogiri?

So does Ryougi actually kill her weak self or just the spirit?

>>1823551
this spirit.

sha actually kills her weak self using emotions

>>1823537

>Character Material_70.jpg

Please tell me you have it.
PLEASE tell me you have it.

>>1823550

Sixth chapter. User of the Unified Language. Soren's friend.

>>1823561
by User of the Unified Language, do you mean he speaks english?

>>1823560
lol why would you want the unstranslated one?

>>1823563

The language of Babel.

>>1823565

I just want the damn thing. Translated or no.

... IS there a translated one?

>>1823569
Welcome to Beasts Liar 9 fucking month ago...

>>1823565
What the fuck, there's a translated version?

>>1823569
You can get it off /rs/

>>1823569
rapidshares uploaded 08/22/06

http://rs90.rapidshare.com/files/39002601/_type_moon__character_material.rar

>>1823583
>Beasts Liar
>Liar
>Lie

>>1823577

I don't hang around Beast's Lair and whenever I've asked here I've gotten nil.

>>1823583

Huh, every time I've looked on /rs/ I've gotten nothing, too..

>>>/rs/character+material

>>1823591
meet
>>1823586

>>1823598

Salut and thanks, I'll gladly accept.

>>1823560
hypergalacticsuperslowpoke.jpg

>>1823610

Thank you for pointing this out after the discussion has been concluded.

>>Load El-Melloi II
...
I think untranslated would be better.

So Shiki can kill God and not fry her brain but killing ORT will?

>>1823640
When you think about Type-Moon gods don`t think lol omnipotent, think about Greek gods from Hercules and Xena series

Type-Moon himself battled an army of gods, Dragons and every kind of stuff humans could image without getting into trouble

>>1823640

Actually she couldn't even kill ORT.
He DOESN'T HAVE LINES.
And he DOESN'T HAVE DEATH.

Types exist beyond death, see Type-Venus is a pretty cool angel, eh got shot and played guitar and doesn't afraid of her murderer.

can't you just create a weapon that can kill ORT?

>>1823678

There are a few weapons that could kill ORT, at least on the mundane plain.

Black Barrel and Slash Emperor could.

However, there is no weapon that could SURPASS ORT in sheer power.

>>1823678
Nasu can kill ORT, so we'll arm someone with Nasu.

>>1823668
She reminded me of Arc a bit.

>>1823678

You mean Black Barrel? That's about the only conceivable thing that'd work, aside from original Roa's PEW PEW lasers.

Thing is, you'd have to be faster than ORT to pull it off.

>>1823682
Why not? Just get Zelretch to lol magic enough power into an object using other dimensions to surpass ORT.

>>1823678
To kill Ort you must have a lot of firepower. Ort is the strongest in this Solar System

Also she may have or have not danmaku beams of death

I hate to restart this discussion, but remember that servants represent the paragons of humanity, both good and evil and that no matter how hax either Shiki is, they certainly don't belong in the echelons of "greatest humans to ever live" and it's unlikely either of them could even defend themselves in a battle against one.

>>1823688
The bullet needs to pierce Ort or the conceptual wepon would do shit.

better bring some reinforcment magic

>>1823688

>Thing is, you'd have to be faster than ORT to pull it off.

Well you could just shoot him from a great distance. Black Barrel was modified for sniping, after all.

>>1823689

Types are made of infinite mana. No surpassing ORT.

>>1823694

Well of course they couldn't match their speed. People only consider them due to ONE HIT KO powers.

Black Barrel doesn not work on Ort.

remember the church has it and Ort is alive?

>>1823697

Actually it just needs to make contact.

Hell, you could bludgeon ORT with the barrel of Black Barrel and it would die.

Black Barrel kills magic. You couldn't reinforce it anyway.

>>1823703

Nobody knows who actually has Black Barrel in the modern day.

>>1823707
isnt Ort made of Crystals?

>>1823710
Ciel has it

Ort will sense the danger and dodge bullets like crazy

insert random Nasu ablility here

>>1823713

No, Crystal Valley is.

ORT is made of Mercury.
That is, the planet, not the metal.

>>1823716

Citation needed

>>1823721

Following this theoretical line, ORT probably couldn't sense Black Barrel either.

It would need magical and superhuman abilities, which it would negate. At best it would need hyperhuman hearing to hear the shot and bullet.
But then, it would only think it's a normal PYUUNIE HYUUMAN BOOLETT and then get fuckowned.

>>1823722
Fuck I remembered wrong.

Arcueid was thinking if Ciel has it or not

>>1823688

Original Roa's Overload spells were powerful enough to cut through ORT's massive defense and to top it all off he's faster, but the thing is, he has to wait for Overload to activate before he can launch the lasers. Well, he's long dead anyway, got jumped by Arcueid + the entire Burial Agency while the Church Assembly held off the other DAAs, so it doesn't really matter.

>>1823731
But will it kill Ort?

Venus said she could still move her body but her outer shell would break and everything on earth would die because of angel hijack lol

>>1823710
Ask Sion she has a replica, she might know the original's whereabouts

>>1823737

Well, Black Barrel only kills them in one way.

The problem with Types is that they live A LOT of ways.

>ORT

And the most exciting discussion between typemoon fanboys continues!

Maybe...you know, we could convince ORT to fuck off and go back home.

Fuck killing it, all you have to do is convince it to move along, nothing to see here.

>>1823743

Still December, cho.

>>1823734
Overload

オーバーロード

Roa's Reality Marble. Causes the application of Square on all of his spells.

thats all we know about Roas Reality Marble

>>1823746

That's a no-go, captain.

ORT came here to kill everything, he's not leaving till everything is dead.

>>1823746
He came to kill everything, bro. Not going anywhere until mission accomplished.

How about a more practical solution? We can't kill ORT easily so let's just do the next best thing: send him to another dimension.

>>1823759
Then let's convince it everyones dead.

>>1823763

Being a Type, he already exists in fucktons of dimensions.

See: dying in this one does not stop Venus.

Use Shikis gland, good end

How about we just leave it at ORT is fucking powerful so shut up?

Okay, ORT is powerful, we get it. He cannot be stopped except by HAX, and no HAX is actually stronger than his HAX. There. He can die, but what does it doesn't matter because he's stronger anyway.

THERE.
ORT OVER.

Yukari vs. ORT. Who wins?

>>1823767
I can see Shirou ruining that plan.

How about we just leave it at Yukari is fucking powerful so shut up?

Okay, Yukari is powerful, we get it. He cannot be stopped except by HAX, and no HAX is actually stronger than hier HAX. There. She can die, but what does it doesn't matter because he's stronger anyway.

THERE.
YUKARI OVER

>>1823475
>1. Does she end up in the hospital because she got hit by the truck (in the previous ep)?
That's explained later.

2. What happened to the "other" her?
Sacrificed itself so that she could return from the void without contradiction, and also because something else was there...

3. Why does she stab herself?
To kill the spirits attempting to possess her.

4. Did her "misanthropic" personality die?
If you mean SHIKI, the male part, then the answer is yes. He sacrificed himself.

>>1823780

Types exist beyond boundaries.

ORT.

>>1823771
No, ORT is the most interesting topic ever.

>>1823784

... Yukari has a dick?

How about we just leave it at Yukari is fucking powerful so shut up?

Okay, Yukari is powerful, we get it. She cannot be stopped except by HAX, and no HAX is actually stronger than her HAX. There. She can die, but what does it doesn't matter because he's stronger anyway.

THERE.
YUKARI OVER

>>1823787
fuck deleted too slow

>>1823790

>because he's stronger anyway.

Still missed one.

>>1823787
Yukari can have whatever she wants.

>>1823790
lol Lunarians.

>>1823794
fuck ;_;

I go to bed

>>1823763

Come here ORT, I'm about to send you to the next dimension!

>>1823756

Square raises all of his Magecraft to EX level while not making the spells cost any more Prana than they originally did. It's mimicking True Magic since it almost makes something from nothing, though it's more like it merely messes with Akasha's rules a little. A spell with Square applied to it can rip through the dimensional fabric of reality, as confirmed by Actress Again, so it's at least makes his Thaumaturgy equal to Ea.

>>1823799
truth

>>1823799

JUST AS PLANNED on her part.

>>1823809
Holy Fuck!

Ist first Roa in Actress Again?

If a planet is destroyed, will the Type associated with it be destroyed as well?

>>1823831
And it had no effect on it whatsoever?

Fuck this thread is confusing I feel like I don't even know what you're talking about

is there some good place to read up on all of Nasu's shit because apparently I'm missing out on a lot

>>1823827
no.

some types have killed their planet.

>>1823825

No, but 18th Roa, that is, SHIKI, is able to use Square in his Arc Drives. He uses Overload in his Last Arc, which only shows Overload activating and then a MASSIVE flash of light.

>>1823809
I take it we know nothing about how he managed to get it?

>>1823837
Start here for the basics
http://tatari.110mb.com/fuyuki/index.htm

>>1823790
I bet she's so strong that she could suck my dick from 3 miles away while facing the other way.

>>1823844
You need one very little portal for that

>>1823840

Extremely advanced Numerology.

>>1823856
He should teach that to Caster

I know nothing about KnK other than what I've seen in the movies.

From what I've seen, Ryougi Shiki can kill concepts that she can "see" with her MEoDP. From magical attacks to "entities".
So I'm guessing she can't kill abstract concepts unless she can see an aspect of it embedded in an object.

>>1823827
>>1823831
>>1823836

Gaia is the weakest planet. When Gaia dies, everything borne of Gaia will die.
However, since Gaia was the weakest planet, it could not create a Type. If a planet dies, its spirit and power transfers to the Type, being a host for the planet's spirit. This is the purpose of Types, to give form to the most powerful spirits in the universe.

Killing the Type will kill the planet. Killing the planet will only make the Type more active.

>>1823858

Her system is technically better. Lol.

>>1823866
With Square she would be hard to kill.

Not even Saber can chancel out EX level magic

Can Shiki kill all the worlds evil?

>>1823888
Ryougi Shiki probably could.

>>1823870

Numerology is incompatible with her Godwords, which are older and slightly more versatile than Roa's Magecraft. Of course, Square is an extremely rare sorcery which is ultimately more powerful than what Caster is capable of. It all comes down with whether she'd like to switch over to an entirely new system or not.

>>1823894
does than mean she has to slash over a billion humans?

>>1823898

I actually think that Roa's Snap is more versatile than Caster's Godwords. I mean, Roa's use of it is described by Aoko as so natural that is surpasses a psychic's usage of their own gift (electrokinesis?), and it's a single action spell that only requires a thought and a gesture, while Caster needs to use a command phrase as well as the other two.

Why was there no square in Tsukihime?
Shit is awesome!

>>1823888
No, but Link can!

>>1823935

Rain of Light >>> Snap. 'Nuff said.

>>1823942

Roa’s memories only appear gradually in a host, so Arcueid is usually able to destroy his current body before he regains any significant magical knowledge. His appearance in Tsukihime is such a case.

I think what we're all trying to say is WHERE THE FUCK IS OUR ACTRESS AGAIN PC PORT.

THE PAIN CAN TOTALLY WRECK RYOUGI WITH HIS BEES

>>1824184
BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

what if shiki killed the concept of lines