/jp/ - Otaku Culture

What are you doing today to learn Japanese?

>>18219587
Does it really take four years to learn this shit? Because if it does I think I'll just settle for subs and translations and saying "baka" every now and then

>>18219641
it's more than that

>>18219641
smart move

How hard of a read is Shin-chan?

>>18219628
Anki + reading + watching moe shit and pausing every ten seconds to make sure I understood everything correctly. Episodes suddenly last half an hour.

>>18219587
How easy is it to get into the JET program when you don't have a bachelor's degree? I've got a diploma ;_; in applied computer science and I'm N2-certified. Currently working at a F500 but it isn't all it's chalked up to be... Can't take much more of this corporate lifestyle.

>>18219701
＞しんちゃんのすけお母さんと一緒にお風呂入る

>>18219703
If you don't match their qualifications they won't even look at you. You'd have to look at other companies that hire foreigners but they are likely to require a degree as well.

>>18219798
>tfw just wanted to experience japan BEFORE the 2020 olympics
im 20 and could get my bachelors degree in two years minimum
just fuck my shit up senpai

>>18219824
Why did you want to go before the Olympics? It won't be a different country after summer 2020...

>>18219824
>he thinks Japan will be "ruined" by the Olympics
Just like how Japan was ruined when they were forced to open up their country for foreign trade. And how they were ruined after WWII. It's still going to be the same country with people living in the current era.

>>18219851
>>18219864
Haven't you guys been reading the news as of late? They're toughening up on otaku-centric areas like Akihibara to prepare for the flood of left-leaning foreigners.
Also, I don't want to visit Japan at a time where 2+ million foreigners (in addition to the foreigners currently in the country) will be there to watch sports, get drunk and fuck prostitutes. I'd stay in my home city (a tourist city) if I wanted something like that

>>18219864
>Just like how Japan was ruined when they were forced to open up their country for foreign trade.
>implying it wasn't
Edo period was the peak of Japanese culture.

>>18219880
Good thing there's more to Japan than Akihabara. And also most of those tourists will leave after the games are over. Although there will always be tourists in Japan, yourself included.

>>18219628
watching 大食い videos

>>18219880
Obviously this wont be a permanent change. The dumb fucks who want every culture in the world that they consume to completely fit their taste will leave after the Olympics. The options aren't limited to "before the Olympics" and "during the Olympics".

Fuck it, I have decided to attempt to learn Japanese. Wish me luck, friends.

>>18220003
See >>18219654

>>18220013
If others on this board can do it, I can too.

>>18219880
thats why i said after summer... it won't be like this in fall or winter 2020. theres been sports events in japan before you know?

>>18220003
"I'm definitely going to learn Japanese... at some point!"

for those with full time jobs, is japanese all you do in your free time? it is for me...

>>18220042
Not understanding the culture signifigance that the 1964 Toukyo olympics played on the modern history of Japan

I took a class literaly named A survey of modern Japan 1964 to present.

>>18219824
If you want to be a tourist, don't get a bachelors degree and do JET. Get a career and pay for a vacation. Do JET if you actually think you can stay sane in an English classroom for a year. Otherwise, aim to make enough money to have freedom in Japan. Which is very possible for a programmer, in or out of F500, if you're up for it you could consider starting your own business and eventually having lots of travel freedom, but this is getting off-topic.

>>18220060
>1964
that's not even 20 years after WW2 and japan was still at the earlier stages of their economical growth
I'm pretty sure the Olympics had more meaning then than now

>>18220071
You seem to be knowledgeable on the topic. Do you have discord?

>>18220060
my point is i doubt a 3 month event is going to ruin that anon's experience of japan if he visits AFTER it ends.

>>18220055
You can practice Japanese at your job, used to do Kanzen Master reviews before passing N1

>>18220071
>if you're up for it you could consider starting your own business and eventually having lots of travel freedom
Mind to elaborate on that? Or at least provide some links explaining the exact legal processes and whatnot? I can look for them myself later if you can't be bothered.

How's Duolingo? Will it actually teach me enough to get the basics down, including grammar and syntax?

>>18220117
No, don't even try it. Just read the guide.

>>18220111
If you run a business, you can get it to a point where you just pay someone to run it for you while you make money for doing nothing. Obviously depends on your success of course, but even a small cafe could reach a point where you take enough money to have someone else manage it while you fuck off.

>>18220129
never let anyone manage your business unless you trust the person 100%

if you trust someone easily then never let anyone run your business

>>18220092
>discord
die cancer

>>18220129
Oh, I thought you meant actually "internationalizing" your own business (where Japan obviously takes priority), so that you can legally spend there a lot of time. I just wondered how the shit with visas and whatnot work for companies, especially if you own one.

>>18220140
Obviously don't let them run the whole show without you, but they can look after things when you can't be arsed.

>>18220146
becom an English teacher

a friend of mine went to Japan, married a japanese gal and works as an English teacher. point, english is not even our native language and we're not from a country where most people know it.

>>18220157
What do people that do this do long term? I can see myself teaching English for max 5 years but there's stuff I actually want to do/my own career preferences. Do people change careers out of that, assuming they have the required Japanese language level?

>>18220071
If I am a US-based experienced programmer and know JP, is it possible to get short term contracts of work in Japan? Say, max 6 months (or as short as 3). I don't want to move there permanently but I think it'd be a fun experience.

>>18220146
I imagine that when you get a business off the ground running, an international business lawyer or something similar can help you with that. I don't know about your business being centered more on Japan than your home country, that might be difficult to set up. I was primarily saying, get enough income that you can fund your own trips and do what you want, but a business that is very active in Japan is something I've wondered about.

>>18220168
They go home because they don't have good enough qualifications and are too old to land a proper job.

>>18220168
Good question. You're probably fine after you've gotten japanese nationality and dominate the language, then you can just go to uni, study what you want and work.

I suppose that's universal but here in my country when you're 18 you can apply to go to Japan and join an uni, you'll need to have some basic knowledge in japanese language, you only have to pay the flight. But of course you'll need good grades in high school, you are able to do this while your 18-21. After that you can do the same and apply for p.h.d or whatever it's called in americucklandia, but then you'll have to know a good chunk of japanese. If you go right after high school they'll teach you nihongo there.

>>18220168
The Japanese are known for having some of the worst job flexibility in the world, don't expect landing a high paying/resposibiity-heavy job after 5 years of teaching English especially if you're a foreigner. That being said, there's always job opportunities for respectable people. If you're fluent and have social skills you WILL find something one way or another. But honestly you'd be better off teaching English for your whole life. It's not THAT bad a job.

>>18220203
It must be nice to sit in the teacher's room, chatting with other teachers, laughing, drinking black coffee. And then seeing cute children and cute girls everyday. The worse of it would be teaching this horrible language.

>>18220185
>get enough income that you can fund your own trips and do what you want
Yeah, right now I'd only be allowed a two weeks paid time-off if I wanted to go there, unless I want to resign. But I'll try reading about the legal aspects of moving your company operations there, I might also try asking other people about it, because being in a company with a Japanese branch would actually provide this travel freedom you spoke of where you can just put the entire travel bills as the company expenditure.

>>18219714
>入ろ

>>18220237
do you have a company?

>>18220233
What's wrong with English? If there's one language you'd want to know in this day and age it'd certainly be English

>>18220233
>It must be nice to sit in the teacher's room, chatting with other teachers, laughing, drinking black coffee
Stop romanticising it, it's nothing like this. You aren't treated as an equal but more like a pet they bring out to demonstrate how a natural English speaker sounds. You aren't a teacher but an assistant and you're treated as such.

>>18220263
He is projecting his personal failures on english. Probaly belives that if he was born in Japan he would have had a better life or that he is trying to learn Japanese as an attempt to escape the shittyness of life fooling himself that just the act of exitsting in Japan would magicly make his life better.

>>18220127
The guide falls apart after kana desu. I want a structured lesson plan, not "read Tae Kim and hope it clicks, then do Core8k, glhf".

>>18220245
Not yet, but I was thinking of running one. At first only for doing B2B, maybe later it would grow bigger.

>>18220288
>I want a structured lesson plan
できない
できない
君ならできない

>>18220288
Well no one prevents you from picking up one of these worthless Japanese textbooks which feature "structured lesson plan"s
You're never going to learn another language if you want someone holding your hand at all times.

>>18220280
>You aren't a teacher but an assistant and you're treated as such.
Sounds like hell. Where exactly does the "English teacher" meme come from, then?

>>18220288
>a structured lesson plan
This doesn't exist for significant long-term learning of pretty much anything. In Japanese, and other fields, I see people expecting some magical outline of every single thing there is to learn and in what order, that will make everything easier, but you need to struggle. There are too many things that you CANNOT have your hand held through, no amount of paragraphs would be able to explain it, you need to feel it and overcome it with your own mind.
By the way, it doesn't say hope it clicks, it says use it as a fucking reference.

>>18220310
Reddit.

>>18220310
nu-male redditors
https://youtu.be/jkROPxg3V4E

>>18220263
>If there's one language you'd want to know in this day and age it'd certainly be English
Wrong; it would be French

>>18220280
Are you speaking from experience?

>>18220346
Why exactly?

>>18220398
> Not learning Both Japanese and French to become the ultimate gourmet / Fine food historian

>>18220398
It's not a language that will die next year

>>18220406
Joke's on you, I know French and am in the process of learning Japanese. Guess that makes me an advanced gourmet.

>>18220412
Neither will English. I still fail to see your point.

does anybody else get headaches trying to watch English videos after only listening to Japanese for a week.
for the past month ive been saving the english videos that intrest me and watching them on sundays but everytime I watch them I get massive headaches.
Does this happen to anybody else?

>>18220022
Have you seen anyone on this board that's done it?

>>18220092
Fags like you should be shot on sight.

>>18220406
I do this, except I don't care too much about their food

>>18220420
you have a brain tumor, sorry

>>18220371
Not him but I'm Asian. Can confirm foreign teachers do jack shit because no one is gonna remember anything with 45 minutes per week.

>>18220480
I think it's well-known that foreign language education in schools is terribly ineffective.
Did you have a foreigner come to help teach English in your school?

>>18220596
I learned English by growing up with it though. It's practically my second mother tongue.
The foreign teachers varied from "Just play some silly games" to "Rushing everything with the thickest non-native accent you'll ever hear"

>>18220420
You either have something causing headaches in general that you are misidentifying as associated with the activity, or you have some kind of psychosomatic shit going on that probably grew from a coincidence into a fear-reinforced pattern.
But I don't AJATT and you shouldn't either. High exposure is good. Being afraid of hearing 15 minutes or an hour of English in a day is stupid and actively avoiding things you enjoy for fear of an effect it wont have. As long as you are good at putting the time into Japanese every day, your free time isn't going to reverse your progress.

Has anyone actually learned the language here or is it just memes?

>>18220714
memes

>>18220714
if you have to ask you already have your answer

>>18220480
>no one is gonna remember anything with 45 minutes per week.
IMO the biggest reason people fail language classes is because they think that a language class is an alternative to self-study, when really it's a supplement. I think that it's an expensive and shitty supplement, but some who have had better experiences than I did disagree. But what you describe in >>18220651 is what I found in my community college in the US.

Guys please don't make the same mistake I did. I wasted an entire year of studying using fucking memrise. I "learned" 3000 words but I was only able to get cards right because it gives you a multiple choice list to pick from. Basically I just got good at picking the right answer, I didn't actually know it. If you're a New Years resolution fag please don't use memrise. Don't make the same mistake I did.

>>18220751
Should have followed the guide.

>>18220755
The guide is fucking trash and you know it

I've been doing core6k for almost a month now, learned around 400 cards already but in the last couple days some serious problems arose with remembering the new cards and recognizing some of the older ones.
What are some custom study options i can use for extra anki time? Anything else I can do practice-wise? For now i only keep a note on my smartphone with words i still have troubles with. Used to delete the words i thought i learned good enough, and it was likely a bad decision.
I've also cut down the number of new cards per day to 10 for the time being.

>>18220714
The people that learned the language probably don't hang out here any more.

How to know whether you really can't learn Japanese?

Why is the alternative guide removed from OP?

>>18220755
You don't have to religiously follow it to the last line, it shows how you should start and what to watch out for when setting up your own learning course. Anyone who believes there is a be all end all solution to learning Japanese is a dekinai who will never learn it.

>>18220788
You're only unable to learn Japanese if you're literally mentally retarded to the point where you can't learn anything.
Anyone can learn Japanese, it just takes a lot of time, dedication and discipline. If you're the type of person who makes a New Year's resolution to get fit and then stops going to the gym after two weeks, this is probably not for you.

>>18220765
The guide is fine, in fact multiple websites that have nothing to do with 4chan even suggest it to learners. The problem is that you aren't cut out for an autodidactic approach.

>>18220788
Do you have a mental impairment that significantly interferes with learning in general, and has made it practically impossible (in a literal sense, not a "I gave up because it was impossible" sense) for you to learn something in the past?
If yes, you may really can't learn Japanese.
If no, you really can learn Japanese, if you have the motivation and discipline.

>>18220802
I see. Thank you.

>>18220341

>>18220771
In the new cards tab in options, if you haven't changed the steps from the default, set it to 1 10 30. Also, decrease the starting ease to 150% or so.

>>18220818
>if you haven't changed the steps from the default, set it to 1 10 30
Not that guy, but what does it do and why is it good?

How many anons are learning to write? The guide says that most don't, so how many here are trying to?

Finally have some cash

What are those kanji books people recommend over Remembering the Kanji again?

It had some acronym like KLT or something

>>18220895
As in on paper?

>>18220909
Before you buy any books give them a day from the PDFs in the website (https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html).). No need to spend money to learn Japanese before knowing if the book is right for you.

I think the book you are looking for is Kadonsha. It's in the link above.

>>18220420
>GUIZE IM FORGETTING ENGLISH XDD

>>18220909
KKLC
Kodansha's Kanji Learner's Course

...but there's a pdf on the resource page if you don't need it in physical form.

>>18220919
*Kodansha. Always make that typo.

>>18220919
>>18220922
thank ye fellows

>>18220895
I am, it requires you to learn a little differently than if you're just trying to read. Personally I like learning this way because it allows me to remember similar characters much more efficiently.

>>18220938
I personally found KKLC to be one of the few books worth buying because it is a great book and you will be flipping back and forth a lot, but don't spend money until you are sure. Many books work fine as PDF.

>>18220943
>>it requires you to learn a little differently than if you're just trying to read
>new word comes out in anki session
>write it down a few times
What a diversion.

Those 10 collection books of newspaper articles with Mr. Lerner making mistakes is underrated. A lot of common mistakes/misunderstanding I've made in Japan in the last few years and a lot of interesting useful points.

>>18220860
Steps modifies the interval with new cards. 1 10 30 means you'll see a new card after 1 minute, 10 minutes, 30 minutes and then one day. Adding an extra step helps with the retention considerably at least for me. As for starting ease, it's the multiplier given to a new card that modifies its interval delay, so by decreasing it the intervals will be shorter in the beginning for fresh cards.

>>18220965
This method doesn't work for the vast majority of people. Please stop giving stupid advice.

>>18220713
Its not like im avoiding things I enjoy im just not wasting time mindlessly watching dumb videos because im bored. all the series Ive been following or anything that looks well made and interesting I watch I just save them for later. Just the act of having to download the video and put it in a folder labled for the following sunday has made me relise how much time I was wasteing doing things I didnt actually want to do.

>>18220968
Link?

>>18220993
I'm not giving anybody any advice, I'm merely commenting. But do feel free to share with me a method which works.

>>18220993
this is just your baseless assumption though

>>18221002
https://mega.nz/#F!f0UxwRyT!-aXlcHxli4CKRx1McmTOSQ

starts pretty simple from book 1 but progresses. I started to skip past lessons where it seemed like an obvious low level point, but i suggest reading stuff you know anyway because usually theres some intricacy or nuance thats new

>>18220993
What method should one be doing if they wish to learn how to write?

>>18221028
The act of writing charaters can be learned just by writing and looking up characters when you forget how to write them maybe using anki for vary rare characters. Composition can be learned through reading.

>>18220420
Unironically, you may have a brain tumor. See a neurologist.

Source: my brother is a neurologist.

>>18221059
>Composition can be learned through reading.
recognizing and reproducing are different skills

>>18221080
What is the difference, exactly?

>>18221091
the difference is that you can't write many kanji just from memory, when you've never done it before

>>18221003
Alright then, allow me to rephrase this. Please refrain from posting stupid comments.
>But do feel free to share with me a method which works.
There's no magical method that works for everyone (or at least was proven to), but knowing radicals and other recurring patterns can definitely help retention of otherwise complex characters and seems to be a recurring theme in methods to efficiently learn how to write.

>>18221013
I'm not about to start a citation war on DJT. Rote learning was proven times and times again to be terribly inefficient for most people (even more so for adults)

>>18221028
In my opinion starting with easier characters and/or radicals is a good idea because it allows you brain to recognize patterns. For example trying to learn 後 if you've never seen 幺 and 夂 as separate entities before can be a major pain.

>>18221059
>Composition can be learned through reading
No it can't. Simple as that.

>>18221111
If it needs to be written then you type out what your trying to say and look up the strokes for the kanji so you can write it. Simply repeat till you can write directly only looking up characters when nessasary

>小さな
>大きな

Just encountered these for the first time. Is there some nuanced difference from 小さい/大きい?

>>18221233
I would say while the difference can look pretty small in reality its quite big.

>>18221119
You sound like the stereotypical know it all that I've run into in various contexts over the years. Please leave this general and seek help.

>>18221249
(´・ω・｀)

>tfw you're no longer a retarded ankidrone

>>18221262
I'm so sorry I don't condone rote learning

>>18220983
My biggest problem with adding a 30 minute step is it stops me from reviewing everything in one sitting.

>>18221290
ill never understand how people can spend so muich time on anki. reading + one of those android apps (yomikata z for me) got me reading jap in two months. talking to japs on periscope increased my speech by leagues, and i even made some jap friends. managed to get one to masturbate on cam for me. hot shit

>>18221324
That's the point though isn't it?
Also you can always tweak the learn ahead limit

>>18221331
How else are they going to memorise buddist prayers and Ainu-Japanese cognate entomology

Well which is it, /djt/?
Is Anki retarded or not?

>>18221367
mixed

>>18221324
I usually just review the 30 minute interval cards the next day. You'll basically have 2x1 day intervals and I think that's completely fine.

>>18221367
it was good 10 to 15 years ago
now its outdated and there are better contemporary methods (applets) like that other anon mentioned

>>18221367
Anki is like salt.
its horrible and even dangous by itself
if you dont get enough of it you will have issues but too much is bad as well.

>>18221367
Of course not, but never graduating from it is

>>18221367
I think anki is a good tool that can supplement learning japanese. The problem is when people only use anki and think that is enough.

>>18221367
In terms of self learners not living in Japan, it seems that people who make Anki part of their routine not only have a lower likelihood of giving up but also learn faster. It probably depends on the individual, but I do think it's valuable in terms of motivation and keeping people studying. I mean when I look into my Anki deck and see that I should know 6000 words I feel pretty good about it, especially seeing that there is a limited number of words I have to learn anyway. If I didn't use Anki I'd be bummed out about there still being so much I don't understand, despite having studied for a year now. It's probably the best way to learn readings anyway.

>>18220280
>more like a pet they bring out to demonstrate how a natural English speaker sounds
You don't know anything about what you're talking about. Stop trying to perpetuate this bullshit.

>>18221290
How many cards a day is that?

>>18221568
4.5 cards/minute
78.6 minutes a day
That's around 350 cards a day

>>18220792
Because some people got very upset for no good reason.

>>18221588
That's with repeating ones. I didn't quite phrase myself right: How many new notes a day?

>>18221595
Get out Sakubi.

>>18221595
shut the fuck up sakubi
everyone hates you, why don't you try it at reddit

>>18221343
It doesn't matter if it's the point, it's still bad.

>>18221383
All that does is artificially increase your retention stats and artificially decrease your reps, by moving some cards from reps to the learning queue.

>>18221623
>>18221625
Why did you respond to the same post twice?

>>18221290
This is strange. Why is there a huge spike in review time despite without a great increase in learned cards? If you actually learned enough new cards to justify that upwards curve there is no way you reviews decreased that much in that little time.
How many total cards do you have? Did you just decide to delete a ton of it? Or did you at some point just spontaneously decide to leave your reviews open for hours for no reason, artificially increasing review time? Do post the review count graph that corresponds to that review time.
Anyway, right now you are at the same point you were 21 months in, which is about the same time I spend in Anki. That being like 30 minutes a day. You are still an ankidrone unless you just decided to quit today.

>>18221623
>>18221625
there is literally nothing wrong with the "alternative" guide

For people who started recently, do you have a schedule? I spend some days (can't study for more than 3 hours on weekdays) with Tae Kim/grammar, others in KKLC/Anki, and soon reading. Wondering if others do the same.

>>18221638

>>18221660
i just get up and do new words/review and if I feel like I have extra time I read a little bit.

>>18221672
Congrats, you've posted enough screenshots for me to track you.

>>18221672
What are you doing man?

desu how insecure do you have to be to believe that someone is out to get you just because people keep making resources that shit on your studying methods

>>18221660
It depends, I usually stop when I feel my brain tired, like that sensation before the headache. Then I review something it's really easy or take a break but I don't usually continue after I feel that. Sometimes it can be after 2 hours of reading manga or sometimes it can be after 30 or 45 minutes of pure stuff I don't understand at all.

How to derail a /djt/ thread:
>mention sakubi
>done

>>18221726
How to derail a /djt/ thread:
>sakubi samefagging
>people calling him out

>>18221679
Hackerfag here watch out bois

>>18221726
Who the fuck is sakubi and why do we hate him again?

>>18221390
Anki isn't like salt at all. You don't need it at all. It helps, but really don't need it at all. It's like a medication, not a nutritional substance.

>>18221714
And to keep at it for like ten months.

>>18221750
Sakubi is a Japanese grammar guide that made a couple people mad because it shits on certain learning resources. Those people spent several months trying to discredit it by shitposting about it whenever it got mentioned, and making paranoid memes about shilling and false flagging. This is despite the fact that it's fundamentally the same as Tae Kim and even has the same learning philosophy, which they like and defend when they shitpost about Sakubi.

>>18221752
The farther you get and the rarer the words you study become the more useful anki is.
I even use anki for rare english words I may only see once or twice a year because it saves me the time of looking it up when reading.
I guess the native thing to do would just to consult a dictionary once or twice a year.

>>18221656
The daily average peaked at around 850, but I was doing plenty of slow sentence cards. The review time drops a lot after I phase that stuff out and relax my review standards a little.

>>18221768
no, it made them mad because they're from /int/ and someone on /jp/ made it. much simpler than the pedagogical conflict you describe.

sakubi is great! I'm done reading part one and I'm learning for about 4 months. Viewed around 1k words of the 6k deck and I'm able to read and understand a lot of things in Yotsubato (without having to use a dictionary all the time) :D
ANKI AND SAKUBI ARE REAL GUYS! がんばって！

>>18221771
Opposite. The more fluent you get the less you need Anki. No buts.

>>18221777
>I'm done reading part one and I'm learning for about 4 months.
That's like ten times slower than you're supposed to be reading it.

Nice shitpost btw.

>>18221782
I've only picked it up recently, I was only doing anki reps before trying to read anything

>>18221777
you don't deserve those digits

>>18221789
I guess maybe if you picked up Sakubi earlier you wouldn't have made this mistake.

>>18221772
>sentence cards
What a dumb thing.

>relax my review standards
What's that mean? Pass wrong cards?

How are you not an ankidrone anymore by the way? You are still doing average amount of cards.

By the way please post your total amount of cards. I assume it's only one word vocabulary left right?

Stop shitposting, guys.

Just the FAQ: https://neodjt.neocities.org/justfaq.html

I hope people can link this when needed without derailing the thread.

>>18221792
are you jelly? :D I'm flattered
>>18221793
don't care. I kinda hate grammar, sakubi just makes it a bit more palatable. But I still don't like grammar

>>18221796
Being an ankidrone is a state of mind that you have when you obsess over Anki and neglect the actually important parts of language learning.
>What's that mean? Pass wrong cards?
I no longer fail a card if it's a tiny bit wrong and it had a short interval time already, as long as the word doesn't seem particularly valuable, but rather hit "hard" instead. Some cards just don't seem to stick properly through Anki alone no matter how many times you relearn them if you don't encounter them in the wild.

Yes, it's just one world vocabulary now.

>>18221808
Just add it to the fucking guide's homepage and get this shit over with holy shit.

>>18221855
The maintainer of the site in the OP is not making any significant changes to it moving forward. They stopped actively maintaining it months ago.

>>18221626
The first few >1 day intervals kill my retention with tough cards and the extra step is a change I've made to specifically address that. It definitely works for me, ie. a measurable decrease in cards I have to relearn, but as a general advice without explaining the philosophy behind it might be bad. I just suggested it since the person asking was having trouble with new cards.

>>18221865
That's the thing, it just means that when you lapse cards on the first day after it isn't factored into your retention.

Best drama this season for listening practice?

>>18221853
14000 cards despite closing in on 3 years? That's pretty slow dude, if you were actually droning you should have had more. Suppose it's all that wasted effort with sentence cards.

What are those 27000 unseen cards by the way? Not guessing you mined all that.

>>18221875
Normie media belongs on a different board.

>>18221882
But this drama is literally anime.

>>18221886
Anime is normie media, which is why there's a different board for anime.

>>18221893
what is not normie?

>>18221897

>>18221893
This is the worst post I've seen in a long long while. Neck yourself.

>>18221903
Name one falsehood in that post.

>>18221893
>normie
This is the dumbest word.

>>18221893
So are LNs and VNs (muh doki doki literature club).
Should I request those on lit and v from now on?

>>18221904
>name one falsehood in this post which is merely me stating my opinion
He's right, you should neck yourself.

>>18221910
>LNs
There's no other board that fits them and the rules state that they go here anyway.

>VNs (muh doki doki literature club).
English visual novels belong on /vg/.

>>18221911
Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?

>>18221904
I'm not even going to bother responding to this garbage. Just fuck off back to whatever shithole you came crawling from.

>>18221909
Get out, you obviously don't belong to this board.

>>18221927
You're obviously new here.

>>18221925
I'm quoting you. I didn't make a post in this chain before that one.

>>18221931
You weren't responding to me, anon. When will you stop making these uncalled-for assumptions?

>>18221938
What are you even talking about, dude?
Can you make a post that isn't intentionally vague?

>>18221938
>When will you stop making these uncalled-for assumptions?
Right back at you fuckface

did you guys somehow, like, forget that /jp/ is the one board most likely to tell people they're normies and to "get out of /jp/" when they talk about stuff that isn't VNs/touhou

>finish an easy VN that mines me 20-40 new words per day
>start a new VN by a different author that is much harder
>mine over 120 new words in four hours of reading

>>18221882
>Normie media
Japanese dramas are the most obscure media that comes out of Japan. Not even Japanese people watch them and there is barely an overseas fanbase.

And it's the best thing for listening practice.

>>18221950
>Japanese dramas are the most obscure media that comes out of Japan. Not even Japanese people watch them
What the actual fuck is this complete made-up bullshit that I'm reading? Are you shitposting or are you actually this delusional?

>>18221946
"Normie" is the word normalfags use because they don't want to say "fag". It's sounds so dumb.

Is it a good idea to get the Japanese version of the guide to a museum I like? Most of the art is Western so a lot of Katakana but the subject matter is very interesting to me, and I am a bit familiar with its contents already.

>>18221950
>Not even Japanese people watch them
I don't know when or how you started believing this but it's wrong

>>18221946
>normie
That's where you're wrong newfag. No one who's been here for more than one year would use this ""word"". Back to lurking.

>>18221974
>>/jp/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=normie&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

Why would you do that, just go on 4chan and tell untruths?

>>18221876
>What are those 27000 unseen cards by the way? Not guessing you mined all that.
That's just a dictionary deck that I downloaded, but never bothered to use, as it wasn't ordered in a sensible way and started with "nuclear power station", or some shit like that.

>>18221996
JMdict complete?

>>18221980
None of these people had been here for more than a year at the time they posted this vomit. Fuck off you retarded newfag.

>>18221956
>>18221973
Look at the view counts and you'll see they are not that popular.

And overseas it's virtually non existant.
d-addicts only has 100k members and I'm pretty sure over 60% of them exclusively watch korean or chinese dramas.

If you like japanese dramas you are the cream of the crop of acquired obscure taste.

>>18222007
Anon, the people at the top of that search are the people who defined what /jp/ was.

>>18222015
>Look at the view counts
That isn't a thing. Look for television ratings.
>d-addicts
That's a pirate site.

>>18222001
I don't recall, and it doesn't have its original name anymore, as I fucked up the import somehow and it got kind of glued onto another deck that I was using when I first got started.

If you can't talk about drama on /jp/ of all places, then on which board can you?

>>18222052
*dorama

>来ちゃりました

Assuming I'm not misreading something else as り, what is this alien construction?

>>18222052
The board dedicated to live action television programming from all regions, or the board dedicated to international mainstream cultural exchange?

>>18222078
it's い not り

>>18222052
If you really want to talk about it on /jp/, there's a containment thread for you here: >>18161731

But mainstream television programming is REALLY not a /jp/ topic and doesn't belong even in that thread.

>>18222098
if drama doesn't belong on /jp/ then neither does DJT

>>18222089
Thank you.

>>18222118
>This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, Japanese video games, etc.

>>18222125
>etc. includes dorama
>dorama used to be in the OP
Really makes me think

>>18222125
learning japanese isn't necessarily otaku related, most people who actually keep learning it are normies by /jp/ standards

>>18222137
What's Dorama? Is that a type of food?

>>18222118
DJT doesn't belong on any board.
Maybe /diy/

>>18221873
I think I understand what you're talking about but I don't see the issue. Relearned cards on the first review might not get factored into the "young" card retention but Anki tracks retention for "learning" cards as well, so you can see if the amount of cards relearned decreased or just moved from "young" to "learning". Besides, this is a nonissue for me because I have a high retention rate on the first review. The extra step is to specifically increase the retention rate on 2-5 day intervals which would be counted as "young" cards either way.

>>18222178
Anki doesn't have a built-in retention stat.

Any of you read this? It's been fun so far.

Why does the mother call it "phase"? Is this something I missed? Something that gets explained later on? Something that's supposed to confuse Japanese readers too?

Is it worth re-starting a mining deck that you dropped for a few weeks, or is it better to just start a new one?

>>18222329
Just keep adding new cards.

>>18222338
To the existing deck?

It has over 2 weeks of missed reviews piled up on it so I think it's pretty much unsalvageable.

>>18222348
Quit while you are ahead

>>18222213
Pretty sure it's just stupid japanglish.
I imagine they searched for a nicer word for 空気 to give it character and took what sounded best but makes no sense.

I haven't read it but seeing that on the cover 空気（を読む）攻略 is translated as "phase cheats" should tell you everything.

>>18222213
How does the bottom left stuff work? Is there some code in that book you can use to unlock other books on the website?

>>18221876
>14000 cards despite closing in on 3 years? That's pretty slow dude,
Not that dude, but... what? How many cards did you have at your ~3 year mark?
I know in my case, once I hit around 7k I started adding fewer cards and reading more because reading was that much easier at that point.

>>18221367
I'm still a newish shitter so take that with a grain of salt. But Anki has been tremendously helpful to get me going and give me a strong foundation of vocabulary and introduce me to kanji.

Its not always clear to me what I should do to better my japanese, but its easy to open anki and do my daily learning/review and doesn't take me too long. Its just pain-free learning and review that I don't have to plan, prepare, or really think about.

>>18222329
武士の情けは無いでござるか？

>>18222329
do it you fucking pussy do you want to learn the language or not

On Reddit people keep saying Yotsuba is not a good first/early thing to read because of 'casual' speech and language. I thought this was the point of reading - getting exposed to language not in books. Thoughts?

>>18221367
It's just a tool.
It's good for vocab (語彙, as I'd like to call it) but that's not everything.

But one could argue it's the most important thing you need to learn. Even if you don't know grammar or nuance you can still piece together something from just the vocab alone.

>>18222467
It's a bad first read but not for the reasons they say it is.

>>18222467
>>18222479
what do they say and why don't you go back

>>18222382
>攻略
>cheats
I never made the connection. That kind of brings back memories

>>18222397
I lifted that image from Twitter, not sure if my book's jacket had one. Maybe I shouldn't just throw it out.
I think it probably has to do with the currency system on the website. You can read certain chapters (often the first three and the latest) for free, the rest need to be bought with a virtual currency.

>>18222467
Confession: I never read yotsuba. Don't even know if it has furigana.

Started with dragonball, non non biyori and detective conan LNs and all were fine for beginner level.

>>18222467
get the zettai something, it's way better. If you can't understand it, get back to grammar

>>18222493
>Confession: I never read yotsuba.
I've only read the first two volumes, maybe a little bit more I don't remember
I mean, it's cute and funny and all, but nothing that keeps me interested for a longer span of time

When I first finished Tae Kim, I thought I was some kind of prodigy because everything sounded like flowers for me and I understood everything. Everything went well in the grammar book, as if everything was connected and worked just like it was written there when you read the examples.

BUT then I got to ACTUAL reading and discovered everything is actually fucking different. Why does this language have to be so complicated?

>>18222507
it's called zettai reiiki dipshit

What is the consensus on learning the radicals?
Does it actually make kanji/word learning easier or is it just a meme that wastes time?

Quick question, would 拝 獝 be best translated as "worship the devil", "hail satan", etc?

>>18222577
If you had studied another language before, it's the same thing. English or Spanish in text books != English or Spanish in real life.

>>18222599
絶対領域？

>>18222621
絶対霊域

>>18222577
You should have listened to Steve.

>>18222658
Listen to a literal kike who spends all his time shilling his paid website? Are you for real?

>>18222658
I've never watched one of his videos
does he actually say anything that's helpful for learning japanese in a concrete way or is it just feelgood stuff basically

>>18222736
I haven't listened to many of his videos, but he mostly says read read read and don't focus on memorizing complex grammar rules. Look it up when you encounter something you don't understand and if you forget it sometime later look it up again.

I'm not sure if it's feelgood stuff, just seems fairly reasonable.

>>18222736
He's quoting this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40 which is the only Steve video I've watched but is 100% right.

>>18221956
He's quite right, at least about overseas. You can judge solely by how the content is distributed. You can't acquire most of those dramas legally without ordering from Japan. Pirate sites, unless it's a private tracker, don't even have them. You can find them in somebody's blog uploaded to some crappy file hosting site linked through one of those ad sites who shorten urls. Fansubbing is basically a myth. Compared to VNs and anime, the most obscure of which are easy to find and always translated either officially or by fans.

>>18221947
your new word curve will always spike with a new VN and new author
but its all downhill after the first chapter, or even sooner

>>18222779
Anon.

The quote is about Japanese people.

>>18221875
i'm trying to get into dramas for listening practice, any recommendations?

>>18222785
go straight into variety shows like a big boy.

>>18222785
I split it into genres for you. I enjoyed all these to some degree.

Detective style stuff:
今からあなたを脅迫します
上今日子の備忘録
サキ

100+ episode long series:
ひよっこ
花子とアン

Comedy stuff:
2nd house
Switch Girl!

Romance:
Itazura na Kiss Love in Tokyo
Last Cinderella

Horror:
Limit

>>18222815
池上彰のニュースそうだったのか　is always a joy to watch

>>18222834
I'd recommend Switch Girl! the most, it's pretty fun.

>>18222834
>>18222856
>>18222885
thanks, ill give these a shot!

>>18222815
owo those are a little much right now

>>18222604
>獝
where did you find this obscure piece of shit

>>18222736
He is a proven learner of multiple languages, but its because of that I find it hard to buy into his methods for learning. What works for someone learning his 20th language doesn't work for someone learning their first non-native language.

His advice pretty much can be summarized as such:
>only do things (reading, learning, watching, listening) that you enjoy, period
>do not learn grammar
>do not do exercises
>do not use flashcards (unless you have lots of extra time or enjoy it)
>all of your time should be spent reading and listening, nothing more
>its all about listening and reading to surround yourself in the language so you absorb it
>you aren't going to understand everything and will forget a lot, but look up what you don't know and try and make as much sense as you can while reading/listening

He seems to have some good points and I've watched a ton of his videos but I don't know how practical it is when it comes to japanese.

>>18222785
>Nigeru wa Haji da ga Yaku ni Tatsu
>Kekkon Dekinai Otoko
I think these are unironically good

>Watashi Kekkon Dekinainjanakute, Shinain Desu
currently watching this and it's pretty fun so far

>>18222953
Actually his advice to is to read one beginner book and then start reading for real while referring back to it. Not too different from people in these threads.

>>18222953
iirc he says flashcards are fine for kanji and different writing systems

>>18222785
>You can judge solely by how the content is distributed. You can't acquire most of those dramas legally without ordering from Japan. Pirate sites, unless it's a private tracker, don't even have them. You can find them in somebody's blog uploaded to some crappy file hosting site linked through one of those ad sites who shorten urls. Fansubbing is basically a myth. Compared to VNs and anime, the most obscure of which are easy to find and always translated either officially or by fans.
日本人の知らない日本語

>>18222968
I assume by beginner book he means something like a tae kim guide? Or does he actually mean a children's book or something?

>>18222052
/jp/ is otaku culture, dramas are not otaku culture.


We should have a board to talk about anything related to the country such as, food, people, language, and any other media that is not otaku. Music as well. I think that's what should be done. Or maybe rename /jp/ to /jp/ - Japan, get rid of the generals and ban the retarded 2hu spammers.

>>18223033
Yeah Tae Kim or even Genki I/II. A grammar guide.

>>18223048
>We should have a board to talk about anything related to the country such as, food, people, language, and any other media that is not otaku. Music as well.
/int/ has Japan generals (separate from DJT). Never been to those threads though.

>>18223016
Who are you quoting?

>>18223058
there's the Japanese Thread, but you don't want to go there

>>18223049
genki is not grammar guide. Genki teaches nothing about grammar, it's mostly a textbook that will give you a word and its meaning, without covering exceptions or rules. Genki is good for implementing vocabulary

>>18223066
>>18223058
we deserve a board only for Japan since 4chan was made by a huge 'weeaboo', for the sole purpose of discussing japanese media. 4chan is anime website.

>>18221909
agree

it's what frogposters say so they can think they're above someone

What level of JP is Cromartie HS manga? It has furigana.

>>18223096
this lol

>>18223147
Japanese is Japanese, there are no levels.

>>18223176
>Everybody Poops
>Moby Dick
English is English, there are no levels.

>>18223176
Just realized it was a stupid question anyway - if it was furigana and is aimed at young kids, I can probably follow it or learn something from it.

>>18223207
I wouldn't read something as senseless and inconsistent being a beginner. I'd always wonder whether I got something right, and wouldn't be able to confirm because there's no context.

let's make our dream come true /djt/

>>>/qa/1854449

この絶望はこんなに弱いわけがない

Anyone have a recommended downloable dictionary with definitions in Japanese? I've been using Tagaini Jisho for years now but it frequently doesn't have nearly as much info as I'd get from checking an online dictionary, which I've had to do more and more often as of late. Having an actually dictionary program handy is comfy and convenient so I'd prefer to go that route instead of continuously looking things up in-browser.

>>18223059
the guy who asked for a dorama to practice listening

>>18221808
There is already the guide in the op which is already linked in every thread. Stop trying to push your opinionated garbage, you fucking parasite.

>>18223579
I'm pretty sure you're the parasite, dude.

>>18223579
The guide in the OP is not updated anymore and its FAQ is kind of terrible. It was written by actual beginners.

https://vocaroo.com/?upload

>>18223579
I just read it, and if you think the stuff in >>18221808 is opinionated then you certainly have very weird misconceptions about how learning Japanese works.

Are grammar decks pointless? If so why does the site have a lot of content on the DoJG deck?

>>18223620
>Are grammar decks pointless?
Yes.
>If so why does the site have a lot of content on the DoJG deck?
The person who was maintaining the site at the time that content was added was partially responsible for working on it.

>>18222467
Everyone on 4chan ought read よつばと！ in Japanese. It would be like being an American who has never eaten a burger. It doesn't matter when you read it but at some point, you either read it or find a different website. The same goes for あずまんが大王.

>>18223626
Thanks. Trying to reduce my decks down to Core, mining, and (for now at least), a KKLC deck.

>>18223226
what am i reading

>>18223687
a mistake

>>18223585
>>18223588
>>18223579
Fuck off.

>>18223658
sorry I don't read overrated shit

>>18223745
4chan isn't for you.

>>18223658
>the op which is already linked in every thread. Stop trying to push your opinionated garbage, you fucking parasite.
よつばと！はとてもいいだよ

私の髪を緑色に染めた

>>18223757
to this day it's the only physical manga I've literally thrown out

>>18223799

ばかなしないでよ！

>>18223283

>>18223799
Find a different website you fucking piece of shit.

>>18223799
I'm fucking glad someone finally has the guts to point out how DOG SHIT the manga is. All of these plebeians treat this literal GARBAGE like the gospel. HahahHAHAHHAHAHA

>>18223855
D:
異教徒

Why people keep fighting over silly things?

This book is the only actually correct way to learn Japanese:

https://archive.org/details/revisedenlargede00atki

>>18224092
>https://archive.org/details/revisedenlargede00atki
I knew it! I knew you were going to post that!
>said in Naomi sensei's voice
There was a JapanesePod101 podcast* where Peter said some stupid joke and I can still hear Naomi saying a line like that... maybe some other JPod101 listening friends will read that in her voice. *I got the podcasts from the CoR here.

Are there any books like "Breaking Into Japanese Literature" where you have a vocabulary list at the bottom of ever page. Aside from reading a visual novel with a text hooker that's basically the most effective way I've found to improve your reading

if someone says "lately you've been like this" do you say いつも or ずっと when responding "I've always been like this"

>>18224221
neither, you say: 自閉症です

>>18224221
I don't know Japanese, I just watch anime, but I feel like they could say something along the lines of いつも通りだよ

>>18224054
There are certain things here you don't shit on and they take far more presence than anything in this general or this board. Learn it well.

>>18224221

”いや、ずっと前からこんな感じだよ”

竜宮の乙姫の元結の切り外し

ゴミがゴミのために描いたゴミ漫画の正しい置き場所は本棚ではなくゴミ箱です

I have memorized at least 2k words in anki now but somehow, I made a mistake on not practicing how to write it.

Is there any efficient way to learn to write kanji? Like something as easy and doesn't take too much time like Anki?

>>18224410
no, you write it until it sticks, typically the same way you learn with anki except without the kanji, knowing radicals helps but they pick up the more you write.

writing isnt that important but it can help retention if youre having trouble or need it for something

>>18224410
Why do you need to write it? Its current year, you can just type anything you need to write

>>18224479
>>18224484
You do need to write when you take JLPT?

>>>18224484
> JLPT
wrong thread friendo

>>18224492
The whole test is multi choice so I don't think you have to write anything except your name

>>18224492
You don't.

If you want to learn writing, make a kanji production deck and let anki tell you which kanji you're on the verge of forgetting. Then write those and only those kanji, one and only once.

That's the most time-efficient method I can think of, but it sounds like you're just misunderstanding things and don't really have a need for it.

>>18224410
If you want to learn to write kanji from memory without reference, make kanji recall cards in Anki, imagine the strokes in order and check against the stroke order font on the back of the card (or actually write if that works better for you). Front of a card has a couple of words using that kanji that are reasonably distinct, with the kanji in question replaced with kana (or blanks with furigana or whatever formatting you prefer). If you're talking about just getting better handwriting, scheduling is pointless, you probably are just going to have to grind. You probably don't need either, but do what you want.

おはようおにいちゃん

おにいちゃん

うめぼしたべたことある？

Is _250 cards into core 2k enough to start reading?

>>18224553
for you? no.

>>18224551
ひるなのにおはようってなんだ
いもうとはにーとだったの？

>>18224553
the only deck you should ever use is what you mine from reading

>>18224553
Did you watch 10000 hours of anime already?

>>18224561
I wish I could go back in the past and do this but I waited until I was over 6k. How much of a pain in the ass was it when you started though? I might feel like having to mine pretty much every word would feel terrible... so maybe using the premade deck made it a little less painless.
I don't know.
It's a shame I can't wipe my memory and start again.

After looking at the reading list from the OP, I gave はなひらっ！ (a VN from 2010) a try. Strangely, it was extremely taxing on my CPU, despite my CPU being fairly decent. Any idea of what the problem could be?

>>18224597
Windows 10

>>18224597
you're being hacked by the chinese

it's normal and happens with most VNs

>>18224602
Well, I'm actually on Windows 8.1.

>>18224583
>It's a shame I can't wipe my memory and start again.
what the fuck?

do words learned from premade decks not count or something?

>>18224597
youve been hit by Meltdown, take a sledge to all of your data before its too late

>>18224152
I'm not sure how spoonfeeding lazy people into saving eight seconds would result in a huge leap in efficacy

>>18224583
When you will start looking up japanese dictionaries you will understand that you got wrong like 10-30% of words. I had fun correcting my cards. The best is yet to come anon.

>>18224612
No. To see what the experience would be like. There were some days where I had a string of words I didn't care much about but I plowed through them anyway. I think the person who made the deck was mining from Ace Attorney or some shit.
>被告人
Actually, that one isn't bad since the kanji and readings are common (which is probably why I can recall it off the top of my head)... but there were other words that started to kill my motivation to move forward.

>>18224597
I figured it out. I changed the compatability settings to Windows XP and now it suddenly runs perfectly.

>>18224634
I've already experienced that with 乱す. For the longest time I thought it was to tie up, not to fuck up. I also had a shitty understanding of 対応, as I was mixing it up with 応じる. Oh well.

うめぼし１こまるごといったらはくよ

わからないでもない
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=eSKS4LuqezA

>>18224642
gotta learn those sometime

幻滅 and 陽炎 are fun words but they don't rent you an apartment or pay the water bill

>>18224659
しょーもない動画みたらオレも吐くよ

>that /v/ thread

>>18224763
I'm impressed.

>>18224561
How would that even work? I'm 900 words in 6k and a fucking dinner scene in 魔法使いの夜 is 90% new words and it sucks

>>18224818
You only start getting any decent amount of known words when you hit 2k. That's why so many people suggest at least 2k (and 3k for comfort) before starting to seriously read stuff without it being overly frustrating.

>>18224818
the idea is to only learn words that you've personally encountered in natural contexts instead of from a glorified vocab list

this actually makes a lot of words easier to remember and understand and avoids the malaise described by >>18224642

I question the utility of learning words like 簒奪 and 莫逆 as a beginner who can't even count to 10日 on a calendar but learning is learning I guess

>>18224763
I can't believe no one mentioned もじぴったん

>>18224845
さんだつなんてつかわないです

でもぷにえでみた

>>18224818
I had more than 15k words when I came accross a scene concerning noh theatre, same thing.

>>18224880
コードギアスで聞いた

>>18224890
ウザクはいらない子

is there a good core200k deck? don't see the point in reading when I won't even know all the words.

>>18224953
That's cute

>>18224953
I'm making one, come back in 85 years

>>18220895
I write when i'm going through anki cause i have trouble memorizing things if i don't write them down
I've filled up a notebook now just full of kanji

>>18225015
Are you doing the stroke order correctly?

>>18225019
>implying stroke order matters

>北海道で製造されたスイートコーンパウダーと脱脂粉乳を使用しています。

１．北海道のトウモロコシが入っている
２．北海道の牛乳が入っている
３．北海道のトウモロコシと牛乳が入っている
４．北海道のトウモロコシや牛乳がはいっているとは限らない

>>18225019
nah, i just need to write them down to help me remember and for future reference
just how important is stroke order?

>>18225046
Is this supposed to be hard? 3

>>18225047
stroke order keeps your chicken scratch legible
if you're gonna write that much you might as well fuckin do it normally

Do you create new cards as you read or copy these words somewhere and add them later ?

>>18219587

>>18225097
>copy these words somewhere and add them later ?
This. I also mark words that I forgot.

>>18225255
おこたに４にんはいると

だれかにあしけられる

>>18225345
自閉症児

４にんおこたで

こかんけられたことあるよ

>>18222426
Do what?

Continue the deck? Restart it? Make a new one?

あと４にんおこたで

たしかにだれかのあしをけったのに

３にんとも

表情がかわらなかったことがあるよ

あたしはだれのあしをけったのかな

>>18225255
good

4chanは、日本の有名な「ふたばちゃんねる」の非公式姉妹サイトになることを目的に設立されました。もちろん、ふたばちゃんねるの座を乗っ取ろうというわけではありませんが・・・日本と同じような掲示板群を、英語で作りあげようとしているのです。完成までは長くて険しいけれど、みんなの協力があるときっと良いコミュニティ・文化ができると思います。

4chanは誰でも気軽に参加できます。しかし、このサイトでの争いごとはやめてください。争いはみんなの雰囲気を悪くするだけです。それさえ守っていただけるならば是非友達に教えてあげてください。日本人も英語を使うならば同じようにに歓迎します。

このサイトはまだ建設中なので、不完全ですが、我慢してください。サイトを改善するための提案を是非mootにメールで送ってください。

それでは、ゆっくり楽しんでいってください！

Why hasn't this been updated yet? Even now that the owner is japanese? Well, didn't quote it because it makes harder to read.

https://www.4chan.org/japanese

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but I'll try.I did google but it only gave formal answers.

I recall watching Densha Otoko ages ago where it is said it's otaku use the Shi (氏) honorific instead of x-san to address each other. Densha Otoko is more than a decade old so this "trend" might be dead or changed by now. What I'm asking what's the current slang usage of it when someone uses it on someone they know even in a casual situation.

>>18225753
it's old. Saori is referred as a decade old otaku and she ends her sentences with de gozaru and refers to other people with the -shi ending. So your logic must be right.

>>18225792
Yeah but what current "definition" if someone uses it casually and on someone they know personally. Is it still just an otaku slang like it the past or is the person just trolling?

Any tips on teaching my 4 year old son japanese?

Anyone here take JPLT N5 after almost a year of self studying? Too easy?

>>18225872
>Too easy?
yea, but more importantly... why would you waste time and money ond proving that you don't know japanese

>>18225890
For better or for worse, it's the only way to prove to employers you "know" Japanese. And honestly, $60 is nothing.

Unless you are talking about the level... I started learning in November and if I can skip levels and do N4 or even N3, I will. I've looked at N5 resources and it's very simple stuff.

>>18225901
anything below N2 is useless, you don't need a certiticate for the fact that you can ask for the nearest train station

>>18225923
Oh so you don't have to take them in order? That's how it was for some English proficiency tests. Never mind then.

>>18222965
>Gen Hoshino
He's an actor too? Only thought he does music.

>>18225872
I haven't taken any JLPT test, but I'll shoot for N1 this december.

I downloaded some learning material from the cor, but haven't looked at it yet.
The only thing I'm worried about is if they ask stuff like which counter to use for something, because I suck at counters.

これは本物な絶望だ

>>18225969
いっしょにぜつぼうしよう

ほんものじゃなくなるかもしれない

where do I get Japanese novels from? I want some hub from where they download their stuff over there, I don't want to read recommended DJT stuff, because it's very biased - it's better to read whatever you want

>>18225952
I didn't know him before
the series is pretty good and often hits close to home. at least for me, because the main girl can't find a job because of her useless degree and the main guy is dealing with his wizard status
anyway, what I really liked about it that there aren't whole episodes that could be easily resolved by the fucking idiots just talking to each other. in this series these kind of misunderstandings usually get resolved in 5-10 minutes and don't result in forced drama and 40 minute shenanigans

>>18225997
This should be obvious, but amazon.co.jp
They have a good selection of free ones too.

For importing actual books I use honto.jp though.

>>18226010
dude I won't waste my money on something I can obtain through the internet

>>18225997
aozora.gr.jp

>>18226013
>I won't support authors whose work I enjoyed
kys

>>18226032
who said I have to support the authors that I enjoy? is there some rule written by some magical entity that forces me to do that?
I guess a good goy like you won't understand though

>>18226051
>is there some rule written by some magical entity that forces me to do that?
Yeah, it's called common decency.

Plus I'm a sucker for physical books. Can't stand reading digital.

>>18226075
>it's called common decency
you're ridiculous especially because at the same time you listen to pirated music or watch pirated anime with not official subs

>>18226013
Seems like you can't obtain it though, so it's your only choice. Aside from anime and manga, there's not that much JP written stuff online for free compared to English.

>>18226080
Yeah, and then I buy it if I liked it.
It's not my fault I can't obtain it where I live the day it airs.

Scrubs like you should leave this thread and never come back.

>>18226101
>Scrubs like you should leave this thread and never come back.
it's not your personal hugbox for like-minded cucks
you have to go back to homepage of le internets site to get that sense of integrity

>>18226121
go ask 2ch or whatever where they get their books for free. chances are no one in this thread will know.

>>18226121
Yeah, well, I reported you to the FBI.
Good luck in prison.

>>18226131
>Replying to a thread stating that you've reported or "saged" it, or another post, is also not allowed.

>>18226146
Are you implying that you reported him for breaking that rule? Because I could report you for that.

>>18226202
Despite all these novels you bought on amazon you still can't read comprehensively, can you?

>>18226225
You do not know what an implication is, do you?

>>18226146
That only applies to 4chan reports.
Also I didn't report a post, but a person, even if it was just a shitpost.