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Cornucopia of Resources / Guide
Read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>18031993

>> No.18050030
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>>18049977
この鬼龍院皐月の先を
行く者がいるなど。。。
断じてありえん!
>None on this Earth can surpass me, Kiryuuin Satsuki!

doesnt this originally imply there is somebody already ahead of her?
>(先を行く者がいる)

(断じてありえん)
>absolutely cannot be?

i dont really get the ありえん
is this derived from ある ない?

>> No.18050032

>>18050030
Someone answered you in the last thread

>> No.18050037

今日も頑張っていこっか

>> No.18050045

二次元少女を振り向かせるにはどのくらいの語彙力が必要なんだ

>>18050030
>doesnt this originally imply there is somebody already ahead of her?
No, it just brings that idea/possibility up, only to deny it immediately after.

>> No.18050068

>>18050030
先を行く者[人]がいる。

そのような事は有り得ない。

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When it comes to raw anime BD/DVD release groups, which ones are good (actually care about the quality of their encodes) and which ones are shit (just rush releases out as quickly as possible)?

>> No.18050458

hey senpai.
I know afew nouns, adjectives and gramar rules by now. However I know no Kanji, can I start reading some easy shit to extract words from there and learn those until I have memorized basically every word in the chapter?
If yes what should I start with (is yotsuba ok?)
if not just call me a dumb bitch.
thank you.

>> No.18050581

>>18050458
We have a guide for a reason. All your questions are answered there.

>> No.18050682

What do you guys this about this site?
http://www.japaneseammo.com/about/

>> No.18050688

>>18050204
Honestly a lot of the time I end up just downloading from a decent fansub encode group and hiding subtitles. It's also very useful if you don't know a word.

>> No.18050897

>>18050688
Fansub groups don't exist anymore (unless you call liberalising the shit out of CR subs fansubbing), and the few English-oriented BD release groups still around (the only one I can even think of is SallySubs) obviously take longer than raw groups to release stuff since they timing and editing to take care of before they can release anything.

>> No.18050901

>>18050897
>they have* timing and editing to take care of

>> No.18050912

>>18050897
>Fansub groups don't exist anymore
t. doesn't even try

>> No.18050925

Don't BD releases often have official Japanese subtitles? I understand a lot more if I can read what is being said while watching anime and that is honestly how I learned English as well. Can anyone point me to some BD rips of interesting stuff with Japanese subtitles? The stuff on Kitsunekko isn't too good because most of the time you need to time everything yourself. It'd be better to just know what video file it is correctly timed for so I can just download the right thing.

>> No.18050938

>>18050897
Just buy nip BDs then.

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please i need some help here
what is he exactly asking?

>> No.18051013

>>18050998
>cropping it but not cutting out the URL bar
sasuga phoneposter-kun

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OK
might he be asking him the number of wounds? i only know that 股 means crotch but i don'tthink that makes much sense in this case

>> No.18051073

Why is にある used here instead of にいる in sentences like
経済的に困難な状況にある女性 or 苦境にあるとき助けになるものだ
ある is supposed to be used for inanimate objects but in these sentences it's used as a modifier for people. Why is that?

>> No.18051128

>>18050925
>Don't BD releases often have official Japanese subtitles?
Official Japanese subtitle are a rarity.

>>18050938
Maybe if they didn't charge like $30 for a 2 episode volume. That's not even accounting for import fees. I can't afford that shit.

>>18050912
Can you name an active one which doesn't just edit CR sub to add in Americanisms and memes?

>> No.18051152

>>18051073
Is 経済的に困難な状況 animate or inanimate? Same for the second example

>> No.18051156

Why is the philtrum called 人中?

>> No.18051181

>>18050925
>Don't BD releases often have official Japanese subtitles?
It's actually shocking just how few BRs have subs. Nips really hate deaf people for some reason.

Honestly, if you want subs, just go to animelon. They don't have everything, and you have to use their shitty web player, but it's miles better than doing the timing yourself.

>> No.18051185

>>18050581
some people just want to be told what to do and where to go because they are having trouble pushing themselves to get started on one of the many options

>> No.18051197

>>18050925
Various rips of Kimi no Na wa such as Lolihouse include official Japanese subtitles.

>> No.18051274

>>18051185
>>18050581
well, anki 2k/6k starts with annoying counting, sudden kanji and different words for numbers especially when doing the tsu thingy.
I was just hoping to get started on a different more interesting front.
but yes, all the different things can be overwhelming. I guess alot of beginners are thrown off by "havin" to learn katakana directly after hiragana.
I guess I am going throught genki 1 while learning the basic counting stuff, for now.

>> No.18051275

>>18051128
>>18051181
I assumed they did. I am working myself through the Aurora rip of Gintama right now and it has subtitles for 265 episodes and it's really fun to go through. Suppose I'll have to do with Animelon.

>>18051197
Yea I already found that. There is also a Little Witch Academia release with Japanese subtitles.

>> No.18051309

>>18051185
>>some people just want to be told what to do and where to go
The guide tells them those things.

>> No.18051325

>>18051275
>>I assumed they did.
If you come across something with professionally-made Japanese subs, count yourself lucky.

Most of the Japanese subs on kitsunekko are actually made by Chinks and are full of mistakes.

>> No.18051344

>>18051181
>>Honestly, if you want subs, just go to animelon.
Do they actually make their own subs or do they just steal from kitsunekko?

>> No.18051348

>>18051344
They just steal, but at least they're timed properly.

>> No.18051361

>>18051348
Unless a particular sub file on kitsunekko is timed for TV (factoring in advert breaks), getting the timing right on them is just a matter of hitting z or x a few times (in mpv at least; I'm sure there is some similar command in mpc, vlc, etc.).

>> No.18051373

>>18051361
The vast majority of shit I found there was timed for TV. Granted, I didn't go through that many shows before just giving up on the whole thing.

>> No.18051377

生が一番だぜ

>> No.18051426

男の娘は最高だぜ

>> No.18051482

>>18051426
それもね!

>> No.18051501

is there a way to learn japanese that doesnt involve making a deck of cards or using anki or doing an ykind of online resources?

I need physical things

>> No.18051505

>>18051426
当然な事よ。

>> No.18051546

>>18051501
Buy some books in Japanese, a Japanese-to-English dictionary, and the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar. Use the latter to read the former until you know Japanese.

>> No.18051551

>>18051501
Not really. With other languages, if you want to learn a word, all you have to do really is learn what it means. With Japanese, you have to both learn the meaning and then memorise how it's read since the writing system itself doesn't tell you that information.

I find using Anki just makes the process of learning words way too inefficient.

>> No.18051577

>>18051551
>I find using Anki
oops

not* using Anki

>> No.18051579

>>18051546
do you have suggestions

>> No.18051593

>>18051032
二股をかける = two-timing
何股 = how many 〜 timing?

>> No.18051838

>>18051181
>but it's miles better than doing the timing yourself.
>alt + page up/page down

>> No.18052213

>>18051128
>Can you name an active one which doesn't just edit CR sub to add in Americanisms and memes?
Nii-sama. I think Doki also still does stuff.

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>>18051593
then he's asking him how many times has the other person got wounded? Then if that's the case the translation would look somewhat like this:
>how many times has this happened to you before?
>it hurts!
>I don't know... Like 1, 2 or 3

>> No.18052457

>>18052403
But... Shouldn't 股 be substituted with 又?

>> No.18052497

>>18052403
I think she's asking him how much medicine (how many doses) he took, but I'm still learning.

>> No.18052506

>>18052497
Sorry -- forgot to post the source.
>薬や茶などをのむ。 「 服毒 ・服薬 ・服用 ・頓服(とんぷく) 」
https://www.weblio.jp/content/%E6%9C%8D

>> No.18052534

>>18052497
i catch the mistake now! i confused 股 with 服!

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>>18052534
Oops, me too. Good catch.

>> No.18052563

I believe someone once mentioned that の for nouns works something like hierarchical?

Is it always mainのpiece, to put that figuratively?

>> No.18052568

>>18052563
descriptorのdescribed

>> No.18052587

>>18052403
Nobody is asking anything about wounds, >>18051593 literally gave you everything you should need to figure this out

>> No.18052619 [DELETED] 

>>18052587
you're ignoring >>18052534

>> No.18052627

>>18051546
please respond

>> No.18052634

then...

>> No.18052648

>>18052563
limitation/attributeのmain idea
for example
carのcompany
its not any company, its a car company

>> No.18052653

>>18051593
>>18052587
So he is being asked on how many people he cheated? What the hell is two-timing supposed to mean here? If you know, why don't you just give a straight answer.

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What's going on here grammatically? It seems the sentence might literally mean "it is common sense of such" but that doesn't really make sense, I don't see how that would lead to that translation. Does そんなの mean something other than "of such"?

>> No.18052738

>>18052712
そんな is normalized with の, so it's a bit like "that sort of thing".

>> No.18052805

>>18052712
A translation of その or its relatives that doesn't include the word "that" might be a red flag

>> No.18052814

>>18051181
>Nips really hate deaf people for some reason.
In case anyone interprets this as a joke, look up JSL and MCJ. There's not a lot of information because no one gives a shit, but they were banned until 2002 in schools, including schools for the deaf, in favor of lip reading. JSL is still not taught in schools, MCJ is sometimes.

>> No.18052929

>>18051593
Does かける even have a definition? I see this verb in all sorts of ways and I don't see a connection.

>> No.18052979

>>18052929
It has too many.
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/39733/meaning/m0u/%E3%81%8B%E3%81%91%E3%82%8B/

>> No.18052982

>>18051274

How do you feel about genki one? I finished and was fairly satisfied, but I dislike how it doesn't provide any answers for the countless exercises it contains. I could occasionally find answers online, but searching for every answer became tedious. How do you feel about progression without the ability to verify your work?

>> No.18052996

>>18051579

Anon, I was using the japanese from zero courses, and was enjoying them, but then I learned from a credible source that they're primarily for children! I'm an adult, it really disheartened me.

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I got a 99.5% in Elementary Japanese II. Are you proud of me /jp/?

>> No.18053050

I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong here with Anki. At the end of the day, there are like 40 red cards left and some of them I went through 10 and more times and I still can't remember them. Worse, I have not the faintest clue what they could be. I set up Anki with DJT settings, 1 1 10 and 20 new cards a day. Yesterday I had only 6 red cards left with great effort, today even after 2 hours I won't hit sub 30.

Help. I'm not that dumb.

>> No.18053054

>>18052982
Genki is really designed to be used in a classroom, not for self study. A lot of the grammar topics need further explanation and guidance from an instructor, who would presumably be checking your exercises and providing feedback.

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>>18053050
It's all supposed to be zero when you are done. You may have set a maximum amount of reviews or set a too small learn ahead time (though I doubt that with a maximum 10 minute step). Either way you really are doing something incredibly wrong.

>> No.18053093

>>18053050
Stop hitting again like a spastic and look at the word, its radical, think about what it sounds like, make a mnemonic, whatever, just pay more attention to it.

>> No.18053098

>>18053054

That makes sense. while I was able to process most of it, I would often finish a chapter uncertain in my knowledge. Then, the last third of the book are review exercises, again, without answers. But, I knew all that prior to buying it. I really liked it, but dang, I just wish they had included an answer key in the back.

>> No.18053105

>>18053084
Again, I use DJT settings. No learn ahead at all and no maximum amount of reviews.
Did I start too early maybe? My previous Japanese knowledge is the first 80 pages of Genki 1.

>>18053093
Well, some people on the internet pretty much say the opposite, but I tried your method more often.

How long is clearing 20 new cards a day with no reds left supposed to take? I'm doing this since 2 weeks now

>> No.18053113

>>18053098
Did you purchase/download the workbook? The workbook questions are almost identical to the exercises, and they all come with answers. Granted, a lot of them are free response so their answer won't match yours exactly.

>> No.18053121

Guys, I'm feeling really aimless right now, so I wanted to ask this community a question. How many people here are studying japanese without any intention of ever visiting japan? When I started learning about a year ago, I was confident that I would eventually visit japan, but now that seems unlikely. But, i refuse to quit, because it's the first time in my entire life that I'm proud of my self for starting something and persisting. If I ever became fairly knowledgeable, what applications are there in the states?

>> No.18053130

>>18053105
>Well, some people on the internet pretty much say the opposite

I mean, you hit "again" whenever you get it wrong, but after you get it wrong once, slow down a bit and do something to actively memorize it. I'e never hit "again" on the same word twice in one session.

>> No.18053135

>>18053105
Depends on how many greens you start with, I don't think you understand anki very well.

You shouldn't spend longer than 20 seconds trying to recall a card each time you see it, probably preferably less.
Try to keep your retention rate above 70, write down words you have a hard time remembering.

It gets easier over time but it's tough at first. When I started, anki took me about 30-40 minutes, including writing down new words at least once. Now I can do it in 15-20 mins

>> No.18053141

>>18053113

Yes, I bought the workbook when I bought the textbook. Does the workbook possess answers? I guess I can run downstairs and check. I know that there's a separate answer key you can purchase, but that's all in kanji, which seems very strange to me, but who am I to question them. Like was stated previously, I guess it's mostly for teachers.

>> No.18053143

>>18053105
I don't know what "DJT settings" are. There always is a learn ahead limit, it's supposed to be something big like an hour so you never hit, obviously your steps have to be smaller. If you have everything set up as it is supposed to be and you still have reviews left you are just not doing them. It doesn't make any sense to say your settings are correct and then complain about something not working as it's supposed to. Besides you being a bit retarded, your settings are also clearly fucked up.

>> No.18053154

>>18053143
I'm pretty sure he's just giving up after a certain point because he can't remember them, nothing to do with the settings.

>> No.18053163

>>18053141
You can find a pdf of the answers online. I know a few of the people in my class would scribble down the answers off the internet before the period started. Which I don't recommend, by the way, because all the professors are aware of what the short answer sentences are in the key.

>> No.18053165

>>18053143
I meant the settings described in the djt.geocities guide. I did it according to that guide.

>>18053154
I'm not giving up. I missed one day and didn't finish reds on another and these last 2 days seem impossible. To be fair I didn't write new words down on paper yet as I also use Anki while mobile.

>> No.18053176

>>18053163

Oh, I'll look for that. Maybe having the answers isn't completely necessary, but darn, it's almost intoxicating when you begin translating sentences and discovering they're completely perfect. Thanks, dude.

>> No.18053180

>>18053165
You need to get a bit more serious about this if you're going to learn Japanese, don't skip days, finish your cards every day, and make sure you actually learn the new words you learn every day.

がんばって!

>> No.18053193

>>18053163

Also, congrats on having a school that offers japanese classes. Where I live, there's one college that offers classes that's extremely exclusive and expensive and probably wouldn't let me in to use the bathroom. So, I've been doing this alone, I can't even convince any friends or family to join me. Anyway, I'll stop whining now.

>> No.18053216

>>18053180
Thanks, I'm trying.

>> No.18053259

>>18053193
>and probably wouldn't let me in to use the bathroom.
No shit, what do you think college is, a mall? Why the fuck would you even be on campus?

>> No.18053279

>>18053259
At my campus, old Boomer fucks walk around slow as shit like it's some kind of zoo or fucking amusment park, pointing and talking about buildings or students they see.

>> No.18053283

>>18053193
What is your problem asshole? Why don't you just leave /jp/ already, nobody cares.

>> No.18053289

>>18052213
>Nii-sama
Only releases I've seen by them were just edited CR subs slapped onto a bluray.

>I think Doki also still does stuff.
Doki's subs can't be called translations.

>> No.18053293

>>18052712
It's almost like pre-made vocab decks don't actually teach you Japanese.

>> No.18053297

>>18053193
>I can't even convince any friends or family to learn a hard language for no reason except to please me

>> No.18053299

>>18053193
I've been fortunate enough to have a State University that just happens to have a fabulous Japanese program. I wouldn't waste your breath trying to get friends and family to join you though. Learning a language takes an incredible amount of time and persistence. If they don't have the motivation to stick with it on their own, there's no way you'll be able to convince them to.

>> No.18053313

>>18053289
>Only releases I've seen by them were just edited CR subs slapped onto a bluray.
Looks like all the airing shows they're doing right now are just edited CR subs slapped onto somebody else's HDTV raws too.

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>>18053289
>Doki's subs can't be called translations.

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>>18053424

>> No.18053495

>>18053424
What's the Japanese sentence?

>> No.18053502

>>18053429
弦? 草

>> No.18053600

>>18053495
Looked up a subtitle file from kitsunekko and apparently it's:
>ばりばりやるわよ!男が寄り付かないぐらい頑張るわ!

>> No.18053618

>>18053600
I think I like this more than
>今日も一日頑張るぞい

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>>18053618

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>>18053618

>> No.18053656

>>18053647
For a second I thought you were going to be cool and edit her line in there.

>> No.18053683

>>18053600
What the fuck?
Did Doki look at Horriblesubs and just decide to guess at what the original Japanese was?

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18053735

What's the difference in nuance between 同棲 and 同居?

>> No.18053751

>>18053683
From the looks of it Horriblesubs took some liberties and Doki mindlessly copied it. It's the fansubs version of Telephone.

>> No.18053757

>>18053735
Did you even try to look it up yourself?

>> No.18053768

>>18053757
Yeah. 研究社 新和英大辞典 shows similar definitions for both.

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>>18053768
SHITDROID app

>> No.18053784

Anyone write kanji down, also do you write every kanji you don't know?

>> No.18053789

>>18053784
i write but im pretty new

it helps retention tremendously for me even if I forget how to write it, my brain remembers what it is when I see it

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who here /ukagaka/ in 2017?

>> No.18053916

Who else feeling /fluent/ here?
>tfw read 213 pages of an adult (not LN) novel just last evening and this evening

>> No.18053933

>>18053916
Do you have any advice to share, senpai?

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>>18053916
>adult novel

>> No.18054002

>>18053735
I've been reading this in Japanese too and this is really a great VN to recommend to beginners. Maybe not as your first VN but overall, the VN is really easy to read compared to a lot of the other VNs that are considered kamige

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>>18049977
>いやまあ...
>でもまさか赤ちゃんなんて
>想像して
>なかったなあ

is the なかった here meaning no way?
As in:
>Well, as soon as I imagined the babies, I decided there was no way (I would have her have an abortion).
Or is it part of the conjugation of 想像して?
If so, I don't get what this sentence means.

>> No.18054121

>>18054119
Xなんて 想像 していなかった なぁ

>> No.18054125

>>18053784
I don't. Hope that helps!

>> No.18054136

>>18054125
Thank you sir
Please do the needful
Show cloth

>> No.18054147

>>18054121
>なんて 想像 していなかった
Ok. I still don't quite get it. Is he the one talking? Or is it her?
Also, it doesn't make any sense to me.
She asks:
>That's going to be hard. Why didn't you guys have an abortion?
And he answers:
>Well... I hadn't imagined the babys, I guess.
?
I mean, it's not like imagining the babies is going to make the abortion any easier.

>> No.18054159

>>18054147
I think that word means birth control.

>> No.18054163

>>18054147
oh, for a kid, huh
yeah, economizing. it takes money to have or raise a kid.
(ツメが甘いわよね。) why not use contraception?
Yeah, well... I mean I somehow we weren't thinking about babies.

>> No.18054181

>>18054163
>ツメが甘いわよね。
Tsume, you're naive, aren't you.
Why didn't you use any contraception?
Yeah well... I never imagined we'd actually have a baby.

>> No.18054197

>>18050030
>>18054119
Why do you keep replying to the OP for no reason?

>> No.18054204

>>18054163
>>18054181

Thanks a lot guys, I get it now.

>> No.18054223

>>18054204
By the way, what's the manga?

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>>18053916
I've been reading a full 300 page novel each day every day for awhile, 15 down in December alone.

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>mfw it took me two years to finish a grown-up novel

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>>18054236
Sage Steve sez,
"If it took you 2 years to read something, it's because you weren't reading it much at all. Dedicate more time to reading and you'll see your speed increase tenfold, simply because there's nothing slower than not reading."

>> No.18054247

>>18054223
The manga is Called Inubu!, It's about dogs, though, and there are no scanlations that I know of.

>> No.18054248 [DELETED] 

>>18054147
He didn't think there would be babies

>> No.18054262

>>18054245
Steve is a wise man. I did go months without trying to read it at times. I have issues with keeping up consistent effort.

>> No.18054263

>>18054247
Thanks, I'll check it out.

>> No.18054268

>>18054263
I meant there are no scans that I know of.

>> No.18054269
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>>18054262
Sage Namasensei sez,
"It's important to focus studying around consuming compelling content. You should WANT to read and do so out of personal interest without 'effort' or 'motivation' entering the equation. Ideally, you will spend hours a day consuming media not with studying or working in mind, but rather just because you enjoy the media itself. Learning the language comes coincidentally with enjoying the media."

>> No.18054307

>>18054268
Oh okay. I thought it was just scans+translations that were unavailable. Too bad because a manga about dogs would be pretty nice.

>> No.18054310

>>18053916
>>18054226
The fuck are you people even here for by that point?
>hurr durr I learned Japanese to spend time lurking in a general for English speaking Japanese language learners
Even the dekiru are dekinai.

>> No.18054334

>>18054310
Either to help or to brag.

>> No.18054337
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>>18054310
The Spice and Wolf OP caught my interest so I took a look around. I don't actually visit DJT anymore - it's been close to two years since I've last been here, aside from being linked here for memes by a friend. When you get really good at JP you can answer pretty much every question people ask here, so staying on DJT is pretty miserable, you've either gotta ignore every question or spend a ton of time answering beginner questions over and over. Not to mention giving sage life advice to people struggling and making mistakes with their learning process.

Also, once you "finish" learning Japanese so to speak, the necessity to center your life around Japanese fades greatly. It's not like I wake up and go "i'm gonna practice JP by reading a full novel today", I just read the novel cause I want to. The fact it's a JP novel is just coincidental. At this point, knowing Japanese is just a part of me and doesn't really directly factor into my decisions. If I wanted to shitpost on DJT all day I would do so without thinking "damn I learned Japanese to do this?", just like you shitpost on DJT without thinking "damn I learned English as a baby to do this?".

>> No.18054372

>>18054337
>aside from being linked here for memes by a friend.
what

>> No.18054373

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1375615
Can anyone tell me what Bunta says at 1:20 to 1:26?

>> No.18054374

>>18054372
guilty

>> No.18054387
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>>18050045
なまたまごを

のんだり

たべたり

してみよう

いい醤油かけてね

>>18051377
まったくなまたまごはさいこうだぜ

>> No.18054390

接着剤遊び

>> No.18054427

>>18054373
ききとりにくい

ききとれなくていいとおもうよ

「ああ ひとことだけ ふじわら とうふてんを よろしくな」

>> No.18054438

>>18054427
Thank you ! i understand better now

>> No.18054522

>>18054438
いっかいしかきかなかったから

まちがってたらごめんね

>> No.18054526

>>18054337
do you still do anki at this point?

>> No.18054578

>>18054307
https://mega.nz/#F!UQI3zBSK!ke6nkUkh37OCs53ttWdtCw

>> No.18054607
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Do we have one of these for Japanese?

>> No.18054610

>>18054578
どうも

>> No.18054612
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>>18054578
Oh wow thanks anon

>> No.18054625

>>18054607
You're not starting from the base of a mountain, you're building a bridge from your current one to the other

>> No.18054637

>>18054607
ブリひどーい

これはゆうめいだよ

>けっこうです
>Yes No

どっちでもつかえる

>> No.18054664
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18054664

Reminder to leave the thread once you reach a (certified) N3 level, and start studying in actually Japanese environments while using lang-8 or similar sites to have natives correct your grammar.
Else you'll be stuck forever being coached by (self-assessed) N3ers and you'll pick up wrong habits without ever being corrected..

>> No.18054671

>>18054664
Are any of those sites full of filthy otaku? I don't want to use them if I won't be with my peers.

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>>18053618

>> No.18054697

>>18054664
そのぼうしかぶってたら

おとこにげる

>> No.18054702

>>18049977
netlify christmas update when

>> No.18054710

>>18054692
Saved

>> No.18054726
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18054726

>>18054697

>> No.18054732
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18054732

>男が寄り付かないぐらい頑張るわ!
Are they going to work so hard that boys won't approach?

>> No.18054735

>>18054697
roosterって意味だよ

>> No.18054745

>>18054732
Doing so well that you intimidate your lessers is the only worthwhile goal in life.

>> No.18054766

>>18054735
Z...ZNZNWKRN

>> No.18054834

>>18054607
This image is an embarrassment. The only one of these that may be specific to Britain is "quite good", but I'll give that "not bad" is a little bit stronger in the "good" direction to the British. The rest is universal bullshit politeness.

>> No.18054838

>>18054607
They say: something in Japanese
They mean: I hope this gaijin leaves me alone
You think: They're friendly

They say: something in English
They mean: I can practice my english with this gaijin
You think: cool, they're trying to be nice to me

>> No.18054839 [DELETED] 

Season 2 OP > Season 1 ED > Season 1 OP >>> Season 2 ED

>> No.18054845

>>18054838
>Speak in a language you cannot comprehend
>Not automatically assuming you are being talked behind your back.

>> No.18054883

>>18054607
>>18054838
They say: 日本語が上手!
They mean: I knew a gaijin could never learn Japanese.
You think: Good, I must not have made a mistake.

>> No.18054898

緯度30~50度の地帯
How do you say ~ in japnese? is it just にょろ?

>> No.18054902

>>18054607
They say some 相槌
They just do it reflexively
Baka gaijin thinks they agree with everything they say

>> No.18054919

あたしのワイフのために!

>> No.18054930

>>18054898
から

>> No.18054976

>>18054883
>おじょうず

これはお世辞を言ってくれてありがとうございます

のいみでもつかうから

ほめているんだよ

でもべた褒めのときにはつかわないね

>>18054919
そしてあたしのために

>> No.18055022

>>18054919
>>18054976
あたしはあたしじゃなくって

あなたじしんのためにのいみだよ

For your waifu and yourselves!

>> No.18055313

AJATT YT channel:
https://youtu.be/EEsRdroDigk?t=4m7s

does anyone can share the video he's talking about?

>> No.18055330
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>>18054919
>あたし

>> No.18055541
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18055541

I was doing some reading recently and came across ~てて. From what I gathered from research, the second て denotes that there will be a consequence if the verb isn't followed through with. It fit the context of the sentence because the character was worried something bad would happen if the other character wasn't watching over him.

Now I've seen it in this cute ass picture and I'm worried I've misinterpreted it. Or is it used in this picture to denote something like "You'll be disappointed if you don't look"?

>> No.18055547

>>18055541
It's just 見ていて, the い in ている is contracted.

>> No.18055558

>>18055547
That makes sense, thank you.

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>>18049977
I don't really understand much in this page.
They're taking the dog and he didn't want them to take her away from him.
>I wish you could understand how I feel...

And then the other guy says:

>We're taking this dog...
>No need to suffer anymore

Why doesn't he just say:
>犬は連れて行く。
And what does he mean with 情はかけるな? All I've found was about 情をかけられる, but can't quite make sense of it.

>> No.18055804

>>18055774
I guess 連れて行く犬だ is like "the dog that you took here". And もう情はかけるな is something along the lines of "quit your feelings already". That is, stop whining and just give the dog to do whatever they want to do with it.

>> No.18055826

>>18055804
But doesn't the 行く imply the direction towards the dog is being taken is other than "here"?
Besides, it's not in past tense.
I don't even know where I could start looking this use of v+noun up.

>> No.18055835

>>18055774
Seconding this, bump for interest

>> No.18056064

>>18049977
日本語は難いです。
私は殺すください、それは疲れてにです。

>> No.18056092

>>18055774
Literally:
It's a dog that I will be taking.
Don't expend feelings on it anymore.

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この私が 屈服させてみせる
>And I will make it bow to my will!

i see it alot of times in animu tranlations that the みせる is omitted for some reason i dont get. why is this?

>> No.18056185

>>18056064
できないか

>> No.18056191

>>18055774
>>18055826
連れて行く just means tot take someone somewhere

連れて行く犬だ sort of makes it sound like as if he's talking about an sole object, like ~the dog is coming with me~, the dog here is just something that he'll take

>> No.18056198

>>18056185
私は諦めない。
単に悔しいです

>> No.18056215

do Japs use any sites for rating music? I'm trying to find some ranking of all time of j-pop but there's nothing
i guess my queries aren't particular enough

>> No.18056220

>>18054337
You're fucking pathetic.

>> No.18056259

>>18054269
How good is Namasensei's Japanese anyways?

>> No.18056261

>>18056144
-て みせる is often used to emphasize determination in this context. Something like "I'll show you that I can make it bow to my will!" would probably be a literal translation in this example, but since it adds no additional meaning some translators opt to leave it out. Also, sometimes using this kind of translation makes the phrase sound a bit unnatural/forced in english, so that's another reason why it's often not included.

>> No.18056271

>>18054226
Nice.

>> No.18056307

since Rikaichan has been BTFO by the latest FF update what do you guys use instead? is Yomichan decent?

>> No.18056346

>>18056307
Rikaichamp

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>>18056261

>> No.18056360

>>18056307
Chrome extensions now work on FF, try Yomichan

>> No.18056367

>>18056307
yomichan is almost as good as rikaisama. a few more options and it can probably even surpass it - at least for me.

and iam somebody who really suffered when rikaisama was kill.

yomichan is the future none of the other substitues seem to have its ambition to improve.

>> No.18056375

>>18056367
>>18056360
>>18056346
I've downloaded Rikaichamp and it looks the same (yet improved) Rikaichan, I didn't even have to install any outer dictionary like with the former

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>>18056375
it has no anki integration afaik.
this kills the champ.

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18056387

Hello /djt/, I would like some help if possible. One of the particle examples from early in Tae Kim has me confused:
>Person 1: アリスは誰?
>Person 2: 友達だ。彼女がアリスだ。
What is the third sentence even meant to mean? "Alice (she) is the one who is the friend" or something like that? I'm assuming that 彼女 doesn't mean "girlfriend" here, because we just referred to Alice as a 友達.

>> No.18056390

>>18056381
I haven't used or thought of using the integration feature so far, because I've just started. Does it just upload highlighted words as cards?

>> No.18056399

2 days into using the anki cards from the guide and it's already apparent how much my 3 semesters of education have failed me.

>> No.18056404

What's the difference between
脅かす (おどかす) and
脅かす (おびやかす)?

>> No.18056429

>3 months of failing to remember the 音 reading for 張
>only now notice that 長 is phonetic here
I'm not sure if glad or frustrated

>> No.18056447

hey guys, i am going on vacation next week and would like to 'pause' the anki in my work computer.

I usually review in my home computer in the morning (which I'll do through vacation) and then at work during the day. Don't really want to come back in 2 weeks to 100 new cards to review though.

>> No.18056451

>>18056367
This. rikaichamp seems to be a cheap port while yomichan is actively maintained.
yomichan can also import EPWING. I found a Russian torrent with 10gigs of JP->JP EPWING dictionaries, though I haven't tried importing them yet.

>> No.18056460

>>18056451
Too bad the yomichan user experience is suicide worthy.

>> No.18056470

>>18056447
Just sync them.

>> No.18056479

>>18056404
The latter seems to indicate being imperiled where the former seems less severe.

>> No.18056512

私は私のスマートフォンの言語をに日本語が変更しました。

>> No.18056546

>>18056512
Helps with learning katakana I guess.

>> No.18056547

>>18056390
"just"
Yes it does, and it's super useful

>> No.18056551

>>18056447
But how do you 'pause' your brain forgetting things in those two weeks?

>> No.18056560

>>18056546
It actually still uses like 80% kanji.
The downside is that there's no furigana, so I have to make educated guesses about kanji I don't know, confirm with a dictionary, and then put it into my anki deck.

>> No.18056667

>>18056451
Rikaichamp is also very actively maintained. Last code commit was just 6 days ago: https://github.com/birtles/rikaichamp

>> No.18056672

>>18056460
its not that bad once you get used to it. once you get customizable buttons it will be great.

also its anki integration is much more well tought.

>> No.18056673

http://assets.languagepod101.com/dictionary/japanese/audiomp3.php?kanji=麻酔&kana=ますい
So THAT'S how you pronounce it!

>> No.18056674

>>18056667
real men use unstable toy extensions instead https://github.com/wareya/nazeka

>> No.18056707

>>18056460
The only thing about it that really fucks me off is how it behaves with textboxes.

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>>18056451
Only some of the EPWING dictionaries are importable.

It says it's being expanded to support more but there haven't been any new ones added in forever.

>> No.18056753

>>18056307
I use Firefox 56 with Rikaichan

>> No.18056758

>>18056753
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/

>> No.18056770

>>18056758
>muh vulnerabilities
Go ahead and hack my computer using them then

>> No.18056907

おはようおにいちゃん

おめでとうおにいちゃん

いつびゅちふぉでい!

>> No.18056925

>>18056307
I use palemoon with rikaisama.

>> No.18056926

>>18056907
自閉症児

>> No.18056977

>>18056907
いまよるじゃ

さらにきおんは0℃

「びゅちふぉでい」どころかさむいじゃぞ

>> No.18057000

>>18056977
あたしさきばしっちゃったみたい

>> No.18057056

would it be easier to learn korean than japanese?
I just want to read manga, and the koreans are much faster with their releases than english ones

>> No.18057065
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>>18057056
so you want to translate the translation of the thing you want to read?

>> No.18057075

>>18057056
You will (probably) not learn Japanese, or Korean, if your only motivation is "I just want to read manga."
Chinese is easier than Japanese. Korean is easier than Japanese, but I'd guess harder than Chinese, aside from the lack of kanji. I know neither, so take this with salt.

>> No.18057081

ピリピナとコリアンとブラジリアンがまわりにいるけど

ブラジリアンがいちばんはたらく。すき

ピリビナはわらいがおがきれい。すき

コリアンは・・・

>> No.18057082

>>18057075
>if your only motivation is "I just want to read manga."
that's the main reason most people start though, next to anime of course

>> No.18057093

コリアンは、ええっと、うーんと

こえがおおきい!

>> No.18057110

>>18056387
Read more.

>> No.18057119

>>18057056
You still need to learn several thousand chinese characters with Korean readings if you go anywhere past intermediate Korean.

>> No.18057124

>>18057119
They still use hanja, right

>> No.18057130

>>18057000
カタカナハヒラガナヨリキレイヨ

コレカラサキカタカナシカツカワナカッタラ?

>> No.18057149

>>18057130
自閉症児

>> No.18057166

>>18057149
オマエノノウハウンコダネ

>> No.18057218

むかし、山でした。
これ山以内は、二十剣が隠れの。
一英雄は「私はそれが見つける」が言お。
じゃあ、それ英雄は死ぬれる。
つづく。。。

>> No.18057230

>>18057130

面白いんだけど。。。文法はちょうと間違いますね

>> No.18057236

>>18057230



>> No.18057242

>>18057130
>>18057230

すみません、この>>18057218 やつに宛てるつもりだった

>> No.18057270

>>18057242
私は試みるだ。
I'm not sure if I will ever fully grasp the rules.
Reading doesn't help, since the more words a sentence has, the less likely I am to successfully parse its meaning.

>> No.18057396

>>18057270

You mostly seem to be a little confused on what が does. が marks the subject of the sentence. The subject is the thing *doing* the verb in a sentence. (except in passive sentences where が marks the object, the thing being done to).

So when you write 私はそれが見つける you are marking それ as the subject of the sentence. That doesn't make sense the swords cant find anything, being swords and all. I think what you meant was 私はそれを見つける, the を marks それ as and object, meaning that is the thing to be found. 私 is implicitly the subject of the sentence.

Then you marked 「私はそれが見つける」with が, again, it doesn't make much sense for a quotation to be speaking, I think the quotation particle と would be the correct thing to put here. As for 言お, I'm not really sure what this is, I can't say for sure it is wrong... but I think you meant 言った.

For "それ英雄", this should be その英雄, それ would be "that" in of itself, その is sort of like それの.

死ぬれる is spelled 死なれる, and I'm not sure you are using the passive correctly here. Someone else will have to comment on that, I can typically read those types of sentences but I don't really know the rules well enough to say what is definitively allowed or not. Based on my understanding I'd probably write "その英雄に死なれる" which would mean (I think) "that hero will die on us".

>> No.18057415

>>18057082
I never said it can't be what gets you interested, but you're probably going to need more than that to pull through. Additionally, most people who start, quit.

>> No.18057453

>>18057415
>you're probably going to need more than that to pull through.
you do, but that's something you pick up along the way and it can be something you didn't even expect beforehand

>Additionally, most people who start, quit.
I think most people quit before they can even develop a genuine interest in japan or other japanese media

>> No.18057458

>>18053121
anime and manga

>> No.18057563

Sorry to if this is not the place, but i need help.

What is this supposed to mean? is on Japanese slang so i don't get it.

魚 見せたい
魚がいて

>> No.18057671

>>18057119
Is intermediate enough to read their light novel equivalents?

>> No.18057674

is the ことか exclamatory ending the same as 殊に?

>> No.18057676

>>18057674
I should clarify not exactly but the kanji being same, cant seem to find it in my program which typically has grammar functions.

Or is it something else standalone, like how koto is used in rules etc?

>> No.18057760

How much does reading a full visual novel compare to a reading light novel?

>> No.18057762

>>18057760
visual novels are longer

>> No.18057775

>>18057396
Thanks for the input!
This'll probably still take a bit to fully sink in, but it's very helpful.

You were pretty much correct in all the interpretations of what I meant to say, except for the last line. I wanted it to say "the hero dies," rather than, "the hero WILL die."

The 言お thing happened because I honestly have no idea how to conjugate godan verbs.

何回もありがとうございます

>> No.18057840

I'm working through duolingo japan is that good?

Am I already fucking up? I just want to learn the language.

>> No.18057845

>>18057840
だいじょうぶ

おにいちゃんならできるよ

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>>18057840
duolingo is shit

>> No.18057858

>>18057840
You doing good

>> No.18057879
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18057879

I'm just getting serious about actually mining and wondering should I be copying the entire sentence? I'm reluctant to do so since a lot of times words appear in very terse, sparse context or none at all or the sentence can be completely ridiculous or loaded with story related place and character names. Maybe I should switch to daily life manga like chibi maruko chan.

Possible answer: Mine clean, normal sentences when available, otherwise note the word only and search for sentences later when making cards

>> No.18057883

>>18057845
>>18057846
>>18057858

is it that bad? To be honest I already feel hopeless
I'm too stupid for this stuff I should quit desu

>> No.18057885

>>18057883
If you need structure get a textbook

>> No.18057887

>>18057563
pls help

>> No.18057890

>>18057885
what textbook

>> No.18057897

>>18057890
genki
japanese from zero
minna no nihongo
literally anything

>> No.18057902

>>18057883
Did you even read the guide? I'd say duolingo is more of a complement than a main learning resource. It's kinda useful for practice, but you still want to use other resources if you really want to get anywhere.

>> No.18057913

>彼女の言っていることは、言い方の問題なだけで、中身は変わってはいない。
Is there a reason な is used here?
>What she is saying, though it is hard to express, the content itself have not changed.

>> No.18057928

>>18057913
なんだけど?

>> No.18057933

>>18057845
漢字で使ってくれる

>> No.18057944

>>18057928
タイプミスかな
そうではないなら、全然わからない。

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This whole sentence is a mess. I'm not even going to attempt to ask specific questions I'm so confused. Any help translating this into human language?

>> No.18057983

>>18057883
Even Reddit hates on Duolingo.

>> No.18057988

>>18057966
if the highlighted bubble is too hard for you to read then you don't have fluent enough comprehension to read this manga at a reasonable speed yet

>> No.18058003

>>18057988
This is the only page in the manga that gave me any sort of trouble. It's the third volume and everything before was incredibly simple.

>> No.18058179

>>18057944
ほうげんかもしれない

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18058189

Hi all, I just started learning and am trying to pick out words I can understand with just the basics.
I found pic related and while I know for sure the middle term is "ma" in hiragana and I think the last one is "re" in hiragana, I'm completely lost as to what the top/first term is.
Any help?

>> No.18058203

>>18058189
がんばれ

>> No.18058205

>>18058189
Go learn kanji.

>> No.18058207

>>18058189
It's the kanji 止.

止まれ = u best stop right fukin there m8 i swear on me mum

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>>18058207
じっさいのどうろにかいてあるのは

こうだよ

ここがぴょこんとしてる

なんでかはしらない

>> No.18058239

>>18057966
He is saying that it is more appropriate that they have their meetings there as opposed to holding them at the place they used to (where ココ lives).
先々代の頃のお屋敷での寄り合いよりも = rather than meeting at the residence from the past/of the predecessors (ココ's parents)
今の方が相応しいですよ = the place at the moment is more suitable.

How have you been enjoying 黒?

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>>18058207
>u best stop right fukin there m8 i swear on me mum

>> No.18058247 [DELETED] 

>>18058003
i can't speak japanese but,

it is more appropriate to have this residential meeting now than in some future era

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reminder that synonym/antonym based vocabulary estimators, like this one https://www.arealme.com/japanese-vocabulary-size-test/ja/ , are garbage

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>>18058279
this isn't even english

>> No.18058301

>>18057913
"it's simply a matter of how it's phrased, the meaning has not changed"

the な is apparently wrong in textbook japanese but very common
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q11117377901

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>>18058189

>> No.18058363

>>18058317
こまれ!

>> No.18058397

>>18058301
Thank you. From what I understand (probably not in this case), な with nouns "blurs" it or makes it less specific.
Interpreting 問題 as "matter" and not "problem", makes だけで a lot more sense here anyways.

>> No.18058416

>>18058239
Jisho defined 先々代 as "distant future". Looks like it's time I switch to a J-J dictionary. That and the fact it was never mentioned before that they had meetings in the mansion are what confused me, thanks for the help.

It's cute. Was easy to read up until that part, I probably won't be finishing it anytime soon considering how much trouble I'm having understanding anything that comes after that page.

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>>18058416
>Looks like it's time I switch to a J-J dictionary.
or just get the kenkyusha epwing dictionary

>> No.18058436

>>18058416
>Jisho defined 先々代 as "distant future
It didn't. It defined 先々 that way. Not the same word.

>> No.18058486 [DELETED] 

>>18058279
I aced the English one by cheating and it gave me an estimated 30k vocabulary.

I know for a fact that I know more than 30k unique words.

>> No.18058496 [DELETED] 

>>18058291
Those are all English words, learn Latin and Greek roots.

>> No.18058498

reminder that jmdict is openly editable like wikipedia, if it's shit, you have the power to fix it

>> No.18058501

reminder that jmdict is openly editable like wikipedia, if it's good, you have the power to ruin it

>> No.18058502 [DELETED] 

>>18058496
"querulous" is literally old french

>> No.18058528 [DELETED] 

>>18058502
And? So's a shitload of English vocabulary, middle English was literally a creole of Old English and Old French thanks to the Normans raping the British Isles for centuries.

>> No.18058529 [DELETED] 

>>18058528
i guess onii-chan and ahegao are english now too
>middle English was literally a creole
you know nothing about english history

>> No.18058538 [DELETED] 

>>18058529
Motherfucker you are aware the majority of English vocabulary is Latin in origin via Old French
Also great job in picking Japanese words that aren't loanwords in English like teriyaki, sushi, or karaoke.

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>>18058501
http://www.edrdg.org/jmdictdb/cgi-bin/updates.py?svc=jmdict&sid=&i=1

do it ゲイボーイ

>>18058529
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Norman_language
>Although Anglo-Norman and Anglo-French were eventually eclipsed by modern English, they had been used widely enough to influence English vocabulary permanently.

http://homes.chass.utoronto.ca/~cpercy/courses/6361Heys.htm
>After a relatively short time, however, Anglo-Norman was totally replaced by Middle English, a language that easily reveals its close and prolonged exposure to Anglo-Norman.

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>>18058538

>> No.18058555

>>18056512
>私は私の
>をに
wwwwwwww

>> No.18058558

>>18058555
>私は私の
fine
>をに
lol

>> No.18058565 [DELETED] 

>>18058550
What's your argument here
You are aware that the English language has hundreds and hundreds of thousands of words that the average native doesn't know or even use at all unless they want to come across like an asshole

>> No.18058568

>>18058555
ほとんどまちがいがないよ

>私は私のスマートフォンの言語を日本語に変更しました

4もじくらいはまちがってもつうじるから

まちがっていいとおもうよ

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>>18058550
not that guy but

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Reminder that this is the Daily Japanese Thread, not the Daily Debate The Middle English Creole Hypothesis Thread.

>> No.18058582 [DELETED] 

>>18058565
vocabulary tests always use obvious french/latin/greek loans for the uncommon literary words instead of words that are just uncommon like "uncleft" or
this directly biases test results in favor of people who know the languages that were loaned from or who grew up in a niche dedicated to the high class aesthetic, regardless of how much uncommon english they actually know
"this isn't english" is a meme about how people intentionally use obscure loanwords to sound fancy no matter how unrelated their writing is to the cultural markers associated with those loanwords
it's like if the japanese vocabulary tests tested things like コンパイラ or デジャブ instead of things like 火砕流 or 飲酒店

>> No.18058587 [DELETED] 

>>18058582
this is why yojijukugo are a meme
they're mostly quotes from classical chinese books

>> No.18058589 [DELETED] 

>>18058587
this

>> No.18058595 [DELETED] 

>>18058582
I know a lot of Europeans with very bad English that score highly on English vocabulary tests because they overvalue uncommon English words that originate in other European languages.

>> No.18058599 [DELETED] 

>>18058587
よじじゅくごは

がいこくごのにほんよみなんだよね

しらないのもいっぱいでてくるよ

>> No.18058604 [DELETED] 

>>18058582
Latin and Greek roots aren't loanwords, they're literally the foundation of the language, it's next to impossible to speak English without using the Latin and Greek roots. It'd be closer to a Japanese vocabulary test asking you shit like 風林火山 or 試し切り than an English test asking you to define Bodega or Piñata

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>>18058604
>Latin and Greek roots aren't loanwords
do you have any idea how stupid the words you just wrote are

>> No.18058607 [DELETED] 

>>18058604
He said "for the uncommon literary words". Learn to read, not project. The core morphemes in querulous are not common in English at all. The core morphemes in 風林火山 are very common.

>> No.18058609 [DELETED] 

>>18058605
Cognates != loanwords

>> No.18058614 [DELETED] 

>>18058609
latin and greek roots used in english are loans by definition, not cognates

>> No.18058615 [DELETED] 

>>18058609
You don't know what a cognate is.

>> No.18058623 [DELETED] 

>>18058607
>Quarrel

>> No.18058637 [DELETED] 

>>18058614
Only if they're used in the same form, otherwise they're either calques or derivatives, but not cognates. So, a few words directly taken from languages could be considered loanwords, but once they're inflected into English, they cease to be loanwords.

>> No.18058648 [DELETED] 

>>18058623
cognate, not the same morpheme

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What does the なんだ mean here? Is it just a way of ending the sentence, expecting the listener to already know what he would have said?
>Once lunch is done (once I finish work with my family)... (maybe we could do something...)
>I see, I thought about dropping by (like this) to play with Kokoro, but I think I'll pass today.
Any help would be appreciated.

>> No.18058663

>>18058649
I could be wrong, but I interpret "owattara nanda" as an omission of "owattara [tabe ni iku] nda"

>> No.18058671 [DELETED] 

>>18058637
derivatives of loans are still loans
>but once they're inflected into English, they cease to be loanwords
i guess "i ahegao'd" means that ahegao isn't a loanword then

>> No.18058689 [DELETED] 

>>18058648
It literally comes from the same Latin word, Queri.

>> No.18058690 [DELETED] 

>>18058689
that makes it a cognate, not the same morpheme

>> No.18058697 [DELETED] 

>>18058690
That's not a cognate, and root and morpheme aren't the same thing. Different morphemes sure, but they come from the same root.

>> No.18058701 [DELETED] 

>>18058697
that is literally the textbook definition of a cognate

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>>18058689
i suppose it could be argued that they are cognates since quarrel seems to have come from a french intermediate

we should get back to discussing nipponese though

>> No.18058704 [DELETED] 

>>18058697
>but they come from the same root.
Linguistics
(of a word) having the same linguistic derivation as another; from the same original word or root

>> No.18058707 [DELETED] 

>>18058671
Ahegao is still a loanword, but Ahegaoed wouldn't be, it's not a form that exists in the language it's being borrowed from.

>> No.18058711 [DELETED] 

>>18058707
by that logic it's impossible to loan nouns into languages that have obligatory inflection on nouns that differs from the origin language, which is obviously not impossible

>> No.18058722 [DELETED] 

>>18058711
和製英語 aren't loanwords

>> No.18058726 [DELETED] 

>>18058722
those are derivations, not inflections

>> No.18058729 [DELETED] 

why are you dweebs talking about english

>> No.18058730 [DELETED] 

I think the moral of the story here is that pretty much every language derives large parts of its vocabulary from other languages, and if you're speaking English, you're basically just speaking Latin, Greek, German, and French.

>> No.18058739 [DELETED] 

>>18058730
Unless you're speaking Korean or Basque

>> No.18058740 [DELETED] 

>>18058739
korean is basically 70% chinese

>> No.18058748

>>18058416
>That and the fact it was never mentioned before that they had meetings in the mansion are what confused me
Oh, they didn't? My bad, probably shouldn't have mentioned that then. It has been a little while since I've read the series so my mind is a little fuzzy about the order of events. I do remember that part and the part after it, in the underground -won't say any further- being more difficult compared to the other dialogue.

>> No.18058750 [DELETED] 

>>18058739
very few languages are pure anymore, and korean is definitely not one of them

>> No.18058756

>>18058663
Little confused with that interpretation. Unless you're seeing ランチが終わったら as "Once we finish preparing lunch", but I don't think that's a possible translation.

>> No.18058758 [DELETED] 

>>18058730
>German
Norwegian*

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>>18058758
english was originally a germanic language

>> No.18058770 [DELETED] 

>>18058765
It still is. Norwegian is too.

>> No.18058771 [DELETED] 

>>18058765
I'm just pointing out that in terms of comparing it to other Germanic languages, German is just about the worst example you could pick. It's much closer to Norwegian.

>> No.18058780 [DELETED] 

>>18058771
http://www.pagef30.com/2008/08/why-norwegian-is-easiest-language-for.html

>> No.18058782 [DELETED] 

>>18058765
germanic != german

>> No.18058790 [DELETED] 

>>18058758
Old Norse != Norwegian

>> No.18058806 [DELETED] 

>>18058770
It is, but my line of thinking is that it is also heavily polluted by Romance influence.

>>18058771
>>18058780
へー、なるほど。

>> No.18058829

にほんごってどこのことばににてるの?

>> No.18058840

>>18058829
アルタイ語族説があって また一説がドラビダ語族説

>> No.18058854 [DELETED] 

he does it for free

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>>18058840

>> No.18058875

How many new cards a day is too much in core? I've been at 50 cards a day for a few weeks now, and I feel like I'm doing well.

>> No.18058879

>>18058855
違う、私は信じない!勘違いしないで!

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Is there anything decent but relatively easy available in the DJT Library which doesn't have volumes missing and wasn't digitized by amateurs?

As for what's "decent", I'll trust your taste so feel free to recommend whatever.

>> No.18058924

>>18058922
You're better off reading scans, honestly.

>> No.18058930

>>18058924
How come?

>> No.18058935

>>18058930
Retail digital text rips are very uncommon because eastern pirates prefer scans for some reason.

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would it be practical to set up some project to harness the power of autism to make better digitized versions?

>> No.18058945

>>18058941
it's better to rip the digital versions from scratch honestly

>> No.18058951

>>18058941
It would be better for you to learn how to live with whatever flaws are making you spaz out and reject a good resource.

This is just like those fucks who complain about doujin scans being low quality to the point that they'd rather they not be scanned at all.

>> No.18058961

>>18058951
>This is just like those fucks who complain about doujin scans being low quality to the point that they'd rather they not be scanned at all.
the issue there is that in 99%+ of cases, the low quality of doujin scans is the result of the doujin being downscaled by a paywalled japanese doujin piracy site so that other sites are less likely to rip their content

>> No.18058964

>>18058935
Guess that explains why everything interesting-sounding that I came across there was incomplete and/or non-retail. I thought I was just being unlucky.

Well, that sucks. Don't suppose you have any recommendations meeting the "decent but relatively easy" part of my criteria available as scans instead in that case? I'm pretty bored of reading nothing but manga every day.

>> No.18058967

>>18058964
if you're looking at scans you can just check if they have furigana
yes: it's gonna be easy to read
no: it might be hard to read. might still be easy. who knows?

>> No.18058976

>>18058941
Rakuten + Calibre + Obok DeDRM plugin = retail rip in html/epub/azw3
Get a couple of people interested in a series and arrange to grab and upload certain volumes each to offset the cost.
The turn around from finding what you want to read to having it ripped and ready to share is like five minutes. It can be done with manga as well, see: https://mega.nz/#F!UQI3zBSK!ke6nkUkh37OCs53ttWdtCw
Digital novels/light novels are a lot faster and easier since they're a bunch of html files and maybe a couple of images. 2~15mb, depending on the amount of images, but most as like 3mb for a single light novel volume.

>> No.18058998

>>18058967
Ah, good idea.

In that case, what's the best place to 'discover' LNs to read? Is there some site like AniDB for LNs? Since they're not all that popular in the West, I don't really know of any besides a few that have famous anime adaptations like Spice and Wolf and Kino no Tabi.

>> No.18059030

>>18058998
日本語:http://book-rank.net/
English: http://lndb.info/

>> No.18059051

>>18059030
サンキュー

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>>18059030
Any idea what these labels are abbreviations for? I presume BL = Boy's Love, but I'm not sure about the rest.

少女 = LNs aimed at young girls?
TL = ???
JP = ???
一般・ライト文芸 = LNs with no specific demographic focus? (besides generally being for young adults?)

>> No.18059136

>>18057883
You probably feel hopeless because duolingo is, quality issues aside, a complete and utter shit method to practice with.
But if you lack this much confidence in yourself, in addition to searching for an easy way out via an app that requires no other commitments, you're probably not ready for it. Language learning comes with struggles no matter what you do. I think people who are interested should push through, but if you're going to quit anyway it's better to do so before you've wasted months or years of your life. Your call.

>> No.18059137

>>18059119
TL is teen love I think. Not really sure what that is though.

>> No.18059147

>>18058875
How long does this take you, out of curiosity?

>> No.18059154

>>18057879
Not sure if you want to go through the effort, but japanese dictionaries like goo辞書 have extremely short example sentences (and as a bonus, whether or not there's even an example sentence is usually an indication of whether the word is common)

This fear is a little unrealistic, but it's also true that you have no guarantee that the sentence you found the word in is using it correctly. Natives make mistakes too.

but to answer your question partially, you should definitely have some kind of example sentence. something is better than nothing.

>> No.18059157

>>18058840
あのんはアルタイ語ってしゃべれるんだね

どこのことばかしらないけどすごーい

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>また、そのさま
What's this I keep seeing in dictionary definitions, please?

>> No.18059209

>>18059203
さま basically means "way" or "manner" as far as dictionaries go. It's essentially the same thing as "and the like," as in "used to describe worn-down machinery, cars, electronics, and the like."

>> No.18059210

>>18059203
>Also, that state/being in that state.

>> No.18059214

>>18059203
>妙
>( 名 ・形動 )
>普通と違っていて変なこと。不思議なこと。また,そのさま。
>Something different from the ordinary. Something mysterious. Or, the state of being such.

The first part describes 妙 as a noun (名), the second part describes 妙 as an adjective (形動).

>> No.18059215

Thank you all very much.

>> No.18059217

Based on wikipedia the common Kanji used in everyday things and literature are around 3000 words, is that bullshit or not? With intense drills and practice I can manage around 300 Kanji this past 6 months with the guidance of my teacher. Fuck, Japanese actually seems much more manageable if we're considering children up until teenager learned that shitload Kanji in span of so many years. Keep going folks

>> No.18059222

>>18059217
Up to around 3000 kanji are used on a somewhat regular basis throughout everyday life. However, past the 2000 mark, more and more kanji are used exclusively for single words, or as rare variants of more common kanji. Japanese people do not typically "consciously know" more than a little over 2000 kanji, the amount they're taught in school.

>> No.18059248

>>18058967
After downloading a few things, it seems that there's no such thing as an LN with full furigana. Is this the case?

>> No.18059257

>>18059248
Really if they have furigana on anything that isn't a name or completely made up that's an indication that they'll probably be easy.

>> No.18059264

>>18059248
That is correct

>> No.18059271

>>18059203
>>18059210
>そのさま(様)

ありていにいえば

ようすだとおもうよ

>> No.18059437

>>18059217
>With intense drills and practice I can manage around 300 Kanji this past 6 months
You're either distracted by the other focuses of the class, or you're doing rote learning bullshit instead of (decently structured) anki cards.
>Japanese actually seems much more manageable if we're considering children up until teenager learned that shitload Kanji in span of so many years.
It only took them so many years because they do rote learning. The pace of grade school kanji and even secondary school kanji is slow. It is not at all uncommon for Japanese learners to cover jouyou kanji in a year, or maybe two, or with isolated study in under 6 months.

>> No.18059473

>>18059154
thanks! I was able to find the example sentences there. I'm not too worried about the native mistakes. forging on!

>> No.18059499

おなかすいた

あのんは

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おなかすいたのに

れいぞうこに

たまごしかない

めだまやきつくろっかな

>> No.18059816

>>18059769
自閉症児

>> No.18059927

>>18059222
I see, thanks for the explanation

>>18059437
What's wrong with rote learning? The way my practices goes are basically doing conversational exercises who contain old and new words, then repetitions of old and new words by writing the shapes and memorizing the meaning and speaking of those words. That's not full rote learning if I'm not mistaken, more closer to anki, dunno if I'm just a slow learner though

I'm an ESL and my current nip learning method was my method to get my English to near native level. Took me around one and a half year for the basic stuffs and just speaking and reading shit ton of English in social situations and literature until now so I literally don't know what's wrong with it

>> No.18060010

I'm fucking suffering, if something wakes me up in the middle of the night I can't get back to sleep. I thought I freed myself of the two-sleeps-per-day cycle because I finally slept 9 hours straight yesterday, but now today I'm up again after 3~ hours. how the FUCK am I supposed to study like this? this is bullshit. does anyone have any experiencing fixing this shit?

>> No.18060025

Is tamago the only word were rendaku changes ko to go or are there others?

>> No.18060050

おはよう! Today I will start learning verbs ~

>> No.18060056

>>18060010
Alarm clock. Sleep aids. Asking a doctor.

>> No.18060064

post you're anki fail rates

i need to see if i'm a brainlet or not

>> No.18060065

>>18060064
You're already a brainlet for caring about others progress. Mind your own.

>> No.18060085

>see handwriting
>brain instantly turns off
>eyes instantly glaze over
fuck, it's not just me, right? even though i know proper stroke order, i don't feel like that helps me figure out what these goddamn kanji are. i guess i'm still too much of a beginner to worry about it.

>> No.18060097

>>18060025
教え子

>> No.18060124

Saw some guy streaming on a Japanese site playing this
http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/yomi/yomi.html

It repeats words a little bit though.

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>>18060025
団子

>> No.18060201

>>18059927
The primary differences between Anki/SRS and rote learning are prioritizing your time towards what you're having the most difficulty remembering, and spreading out your practice. The worst kind of rote learning for kanji, in my opinion, is writing the same thing tens of times at once. Repeating the same thing twenty times in a day is far less effective than repeating it once or twice a day for a week. Repeating the 100 most recent kanji you've learned twice a day will put too much time towards kanji that are easy for you.

You didn't specifically say if you're doing this or not, but I believe that having to recall kanji without reference is more beneficial than having to draw what you see. I think that a card that asks you to recall how to write, or actually write, こども with kanji is more beneficial than copying 子 a few times and copying 供 a few times. Though of course there are many ways to structure cards and I'm not going to get into suggestions beyond keep it short and simple.

Most of what you've described is fine, though it's hard to be sure without more detail. I'd still be wary of the repetition. It's not going to do harm, but if it's excessive it might drain you and keep you from wanting to do other practice, and if it's not effective it might demotivate you or make you think that the problem is you. I'd imagine that supplementing with Anki, even using cards that resemble your current study method (though other approaches may work better), may surprise you.

Also, I'm definitely not suggesting Anki should replace everything you're doing. Physically writing kanji, especially a few times the first time you learn one, is good. Reading (and listening) as much as possible is probably the most important part of learning a language. Speaking too early is something people tend to argue about, but that aside, conversation will make you better at forming sentences quickly.

>> No.18060266

>>18059927
I doubt that you're a slow learner. You're just holding yourself back by using a slow method. When it comes to Japanese, going slowly usually means not learning the language. This language is a vast fucking ocean and you're never going to get out of the shallows if you spend six months 'intensely drilling' 300 kanji.

>> No.18060411

>>18060266
This. Read manga/talk to people as soon as you know basic grammar + some basic vocab.

>> No.18060426

>首の皮一枚
>皮1枚で首がつながっていること。まだわずかな望みが残っていることのたとえ。

But aren't you already dead by that point??

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Can anyone help me with the very first Kanji here? Can't find it.

>> No.18060503

>>18060496

>> No.18060513

>>18060503
Fucking hell, why does it look so different? No wonder I didn't find it.

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>>18060513
It's 行書体.

>> No.18060538

Where are my kansaibros at?

>> No.18060539

>>18060503
That one threw me off. Should I be mad at myself or mad at Japanese handwriting?

>> No.18060544

>>18060536
>just make a squiggly line and some dots
>lol dude this is the same as that other thing whats wrong can't you read?!

fucking ching changs

>> No.18060555

>>18060536
Thanks anon. But damn, I thought the stuff at the bottom was supposed to be the radical 小

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>>18060538
ここにおるんでー

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ホント いつまでいてくれても
いいのよ
>You really are welcome to stay as long as you like.

i dont get this. where in this is the "as long as you like"

>> No.18060626

>>18060608
いつまで

>> No.18060655

>>18060097
>>18060137
thanks bros

>> No.18060827

>>18060025
>>18060655
http://jisho.org/search/*子%20*go
And that's just 子.

>> No.18060864

how do i read these different?
魅力 魅惑

I keep mixing them up in vocab

>> No.18060898 [DELETED] 

>>18054310
I'm just here to find a picture of dekinai-chan to bully someone in another thread.

>> No.18061043

>シュークリーム
>shoe cream

Seriously fuck all french loanwords.
They're called profiteroles goddammit.

>> No.18061050

>>18060864
力 is always りょく or りき
惑 is always わく
And they look so drastically different.

How did you even manage to mix them up?

All I can advice you is to add more vocab with those kanji to hammer in the onyomi.

>> No.18061053

>>18061050
The meaning, not the readings.

>> No.18061064

>>18060201
Anki is rote learning. This doesn't detract from what you're saying but there's a reason why you had to fall back to writing paragraphs about it instead of just stating something that should be obvious.

>> No.18061069

>>18061053
You specifically asked about how to read them though?

惑 is about captivating or misleading something
力 is just power

So 魅力 is just a quantifiable measure of someones charme from an objective view, while 魅惑 is charme you can't resist.

>> No.18061071

>>18059927
I forgot to tell you last night.
>Based on wikipedia the common Kanji used in everyday things and literature are around 3000 words
Kanji are not words.

>> No.18061083

>>18061069
Thanks, now I get it.

>> No.18061085

>>18061053
https://www.weblio.jp/content/
>【わく】[漢字]
>【 惑 】 [音] ワク
>まどわす。まどう。 「 惑溺(わくでき) ・惑乱 ・疑惑 ・幻惑 ・眩惑(げんわく) ・蠱惑(こわく) ・困惑 ・当惑 ・不惑 ・魅惑 ・迷惑 ・誘惑 」

All of these words have something to with confusion, you'll see the pattern.

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18061086

I ordered a little special something on ebay recently, and it arrived today. I thought the seller would use some stealth on the package but I recognize some of these kanji / hanzi... This just straight up says "big black butt plug" on the content description, doesn't it?!

>> No.18061090

>>18061085
>something to with confusion
Well maybe I shouldn't have said that. Misleading like >>18061069 said is a better way to say it.

Trying to translate meaning accurately is bothering.

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18061123

こんな穀つぶしばかりだから
流子ちゃんみたいな子なら
大歓迎だから
>I'm surrounded by these loafers and deadbeats, so I'd be thrilled to have a girl like you around.

i dont get the みたいな子なら

>> No.18061130

>>18061043
>calling choux a la creme "profiteroles"
>forgetting that "profiteroles" is a French loan word too
How retarded can you get?

>> No.18061158

>>18061123
>流子ちゃんみたいな子
A girl like you. The speaker is just using her name.

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>>18061086

>> No.18061261

>400 or something cards into the dojg deck
>finally see また
ha

>> No.18061267

>>18049977
how can i extract japanese 101 pod audio files seperately?

i have some old cards i would like the audio

>> No.18061283

>>18061205
>Black silicone
>random color
Hmmm.

>> No.18061332

>>18061267
see >>18056673

>> No.18061361

>>18061086
Your butthole is worth more than 50 cents anon.

>> No.18061369 [DELETED] 

What's the best way to play Taiko on PC? I've got the PS4 drum coming in the mail, figure I should try and get some other use out of it.

Is that taikojiro thing any good, or is it one of those lame emulations that never quite measures up and uses midi files and shit?

As for the Wii games, I've heard you can't access the in-game timing calibration in Dolphin if you don't have a drum connected. Any way to get around that with gameshark or something?

>> No.18061371

>>18059147
About an hour and a half to two hours if I'm distracted

>> No.18061385

>>18061369
osu ironically

>> No.18061517

Why isn't the DoJG deck actually sorted in the order of the book? Kind of makes it a pain the in ass to go through as I need to find and suspend the grammar point every time rather than just work myself through it with a set number of new cards.

>> No.18061518

>>18061050
力 ちから/リョク・リキ
惑 まど-わす/ワク

>> No.18061543

>>18061517
the books are just alphabetical

>> No.18061550

>>18061543
It doesn't really matter that much as it is still divided into three difficulty categories. So what's the deck order? Did someone sit down and arrange it by difficulty?

>> No.18061553

>>18061550
I have no idea, but unless they ordered it randomly it can't be worse than alphabetical

>> No.18061572

おはようおにいちゃん

あされんいこ

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So how reliable are Japanese subtitles made by Chinese? I just downloaded a raw anime and it already had Japanese subtitled embedded. I checked and it's one of those that Chinese people added, which I understand isn't an uncommon thing. I'm also getting a ton of results by searching for 日语字幕, so I'm wondering if that's a good source to learn from.

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I did my reps and read for two hours today

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Hey /djt/
Can you recommend me some easy to read plotges that aren't axanael?
I'm starting to grow tired of moeges, but have to find something that'll make me continue to learn this language.

>> No.18061676

>>18061591
They're passable enough. You'll come across the odd glaring mistake, but that's typical in anything translated by someone who speaks it as a second language.

>> No.18061761

sorry, djp. I know you will tell me: ANKI! ò.ó

I do anki, come across new words lear them and then continue and stuff like that. but how am I supposed to memorise like 10-20 different kanji a day?

>> No.18061774

>>18061761
Is there a man alive who could accomplish such a feat? Perhaps it is better to just give up huh . . .

>> No.18061784

>>18061774
I have no problem remembering 30 or so different words in no time, it's just that I don't want to end up beeing incapable to distinguish the different kanjis and their meanings. I feel like learning different kanjis slows me down greaty, as I am capable to either learn ~7kanjis or 20-40words. that's why I asked for some advise.

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>>18061761

>> No.18061795

>>18061784
Well, have you tried looking at them really hard?

>> No.18061801

>>18061795
...I might try that.
But will my little brain not get confused between some that look kinda similar like 木, 水 and 火.
pls feed sempai

>> No.18061804

>>18061801
I mean if even that doesn't work then there really is nothing to do but give up.

>> No.18061810

>>18061550
The basic volume cards are ordered to more closely match the order used in Tae Kim's grammar guide. The intermediate and advanced cards after that are in the order as they appear in the books.

>> No.18061812 [DELETED] 

>>18061804
I guess I have to give up then, or just learn as slowly as the cucks on djp :/
well, guess I simply add some word in hiragana to the kanji anki throws my way.

>> No.18061820

>>18061661
the standard, unless you're otherwise pressed for time

>> No.18061824

>>18061675
No.
Get a game that seems interesting to you, and stop caring about "easy"

>> No.18061853

>>18061820
why not write something encouraging, why be a smug cunt before you even know his situation
why do you niggas always think this works like climbing a pyramid where you have to kick some down before you can move up

>> No.18061854

>>18061824
Not him, but I tried playing Rance and just ended up being frustrated because I understood almost nothing. I'm not sure how much slower I will learn by not tackling slightly more difficult things but I really don't want to ruin the experience I could have when I know Japanese better.

>> No.18061867

>>18061854
He's frustrated by boring games though. That doesn't seem like the best way to progress either.

>> No.18061885

>>18061853
If you get discouraged so easily you are never going to make it, give up.

>> No.18061888

>>18061853
its not an accomplishment to do the standard, to score par, to lose weight, to not rob banks, to wash your hands after you flush
this is the correct state of mind and not worth of complimentary nor encouragement. To do so would lower the standard, which is happening a lot in the real world today

>> No.18061914

>>18060010
You need to do something to tire yourself out mentally and/or physically.

Read more.

>> No.18061915

>>18061885
>>18061888
for the record, I've never had problems with motivation
that aside, this is why DJT is such a hostile environment sometimes, because people like you who are just insecure themselves feel the need to put other people down
encouraging other people is not lowering some subjetive minimum of what should be done, but giving them a positive feedback to grow beyond their current skills

I know you'll write something condescending or clever even, but the truth is that you're just hateful, miserable people

>> No.18061916

>>18061888
bullshit, once you hold a job you will realise how alot of your time fades away. to actually do anything but sit on the couch and be a potato is something alot of people don't do. and to not only indulge in your own graivings but to actually learn something and go throught some hardship becoming better is far from the norm.
to do something that others have archived doesn't mean the archivement is wortless.

>> No.18061947

>>18061888
studying for 3 hours every day as a hobbyist language learner is certainly not the standard unless you're a neet or extremely autistic

>> No.18061982

>>18061947
>neet or extremely autistic
aka who this thread is meant for.

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I hit a wall learning Kanji somewhere around directions. Up down, left right, etc. It's becoming really difficult to retain and remmber pronounciations. I've reduced the cards to 5 a day and I make manual flash cards and study them but it's still hard. Is this just not for me or do I just try harder?

>> No.18062122

>>18062112
Most people really have trouble with kanji. I don't assume you mean Kanji study, but learning vocabulary with Kanji. It's kind of a pain in the ass to discuss and I really don't want to be the one starting it but you might want to look into kanji study by itself. I feel like writing flashcards yield quite solid results.

>> No.18062125

>>18062112
Up and down is easy.

For left vs right, look at the stroke order of the characters.

Aside from that differentiating them correctly will come as you approach fluency. Don't worry about getting it right yet as long as you can recognize the possible options.

>> No.18062142

>>18062122
Yes, learning vocabulary and their pronounciations.

>>18062125
I'm using the Anki thing and I hit a wall a little before directions too. 少し、少ない、etc. I can recognize the Kanji and what they mean but can't remember how to say it most of the time.

>> No.18062158

>>18062112
上 上 下 下 左 右 左 右 B A
There, now you'll never forget

>> No.18062174

>>18062158
No no I can recognize them and what they mean I just don't remember how to pronounce them. Especially once variations start to come in.

上る

上げる

My brain tries to find patterns in them and I can't

>> No.18062182

>>18062158
>no start
What's the word for what we call the start button on controllers?

>> No.18062184

>>18062142
It's the hardest part of early Japanese learning; vocab study that is. Good news is that if you can make it past a thousand words or so, it gets easier, bad news is I scrapped and restarded before I hit 500 around 3 times.

Write the words down, don't worry too much about nuances like which of 見る 見せる means look and which means show. Overall, I recommend writing new words down in a notebook, one on each line, like: [word with kanji, hiragana only form, romajii if you're still bad at hiragana, and finally the meaning]. Notebooks are something physical you can hold and reveiw, and it helps with motivation as you get close to filling that fucker up

If you're in an absolute trainwreck (less than 60 percent retention, you can consider starting over if youve only been going at it for a week or so. You'll find that you would already have na easier time the second time around, otherwise, just keep at it and try hard

>> No.18062194

>>18062182
スタート

>> No.18062198

>>18062142
it's a pain but it does get easier the more you study because eventually you just know most of the readings of a kanji through repeated exposure

if i fail a word too many times i usually come up with some kind of dumb mnemonic that gives me a clue, for instance i would associate 呼ぶ (よぶ) with a man saying "Yo boo, come over here!" or something

>> No.18062200

>>18062174
That's because those are different words. You're not gonna learn a bunch of similar looking words that easily.

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>>18062182

>> No.18062204

>>18062174
Easy:
上 「うえ」
上 「かみ」
上 「じょう」

>> No.18062208

>>18062174
It took me awhile to memorize all the variants. I remember 上る only because I learned 登る. and it doesn't hurt to learn transitive vs intransitive to distinguish 上がる and 上げる

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>>18061661
よくできました

>> No.18062294

>>18061761
You literally cannot learn Japanese.

>> No.18062301 [DELETED] 

>>18061888
/iamverysmart/ material

>> No.18062341

>>18061915
>this is why DJT is such a hostile environment sometimes
4chan was never good
>>18061916
i originally said >>18061820 to cover wageslaves and shiftworkers, you can have other obligations and still have the ability to learn
>>18061947
no, its the standard, and its not vague 'studying' its anki + reading
>>18062301
yeah we know you love reddit

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>>18062112
>It's becoming really difficult to retain and remmber pronounciations
That's because studying readings is Full Retard Mode. You're supposed to learn them from words.

Bear in mind that when Japanese kids study kanji readings in school, they already know words which use those readings before hand.

Isolated kanji study in general is a huge waste of time that is best avoided altogether if possible. Try learning just the radicals first and then trying to learn vocab from there.

>> No.18062392

>>18062174
>Especially once variations start to come in.
This is why Core sucks.

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>>18062341
I'm the guy you originally replied to, I'm working and going to college. For what it's worth, I don't think you're actually wrong on any of the things you've said, and I totally agree with you on the point you made about standards dropping because of complacency with mediocrity.
That said, I felt happy that I was able to make decent progress today and the reason you've started a flame war is because you (like >>18061853 said) wrongly assumed that I'm a NEET and have that kind of free time on my hands.

>> No.18062408

>>18062198
>i would associate 呼ぶ (よぶ) with a man saying "Yo boo, come over here!" or something
This is the best mnemonic I've ever heard

>> No.18062543

>>18062398
If you made decent progress, thats all this thread is aiming for really, so its good
i would question the wisdom of trying to add more on your plate if you're already so tied up with work/college though
As 'fun' as other people sometimes say learning jap is, for me its not that leisurely a mode

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>人の少ない所がいいって言ってるでしょ

Why does she use the ている form?

>> No.18062591

>>18062580
>a place where not a lot of people are , huh?
>how about the nearby supermarket?
>am i not saying a place where few people are?

>> No.18062593

>>18062580
って言うでしょ
they say X desho (gnomic)
って言ってるでしょ
they said X desho (a specific instance of speech)

>> No.18062597

>>18062580
>I'm telling you, I want to go somewhere with few people!

>> No.18062628

>>18062543
>i would question the wisdom of trying to add more on your plate if you're already so tied up with work/college though
Complains about dropping standards. Suggests that someone else drop their standards.

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>> No.18062646

>>18062580
Why wouldn't this sentence be
>少ない人の所がいいって言ってるでしょ

>> No.18062647

>>18062645
Is this how genki 2 ends? Fuck, man....

>> No.18062652 [DELETED] 

Was /djt/ always this terrible or is it just me? Most of this thread is r/learnjapanese tier.

>> No.18062654

>>18062646
because it's
人の少ない所
and not
少ない人の所
these mean different things, and in the first one, の is not the attributive marker.

>> No.18062656

>>18062646
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/少ない

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>>18062647

>> No.18062699

>>18061064
SRS can be rote learning, it depends on what your fucking cards are. In the context of kanji, which was the topic, mnemonics are meaningful learning, not rote learning. Rote learning means more than "involves repetition", if it was that broad of a term then it would be synonymous with "learning". By the way, notice that I emphasized a specific kind of rote learning for the entirety of the post.

The idea that the depth I went into to contrast methods has something to do with them having the same label is the most idiotic thing I've read this week. Congratulations.

>> No.18062711

>>18062654
Is this one of those cases where it's a subject marker? Fuck, I always forget that's a possibility
>>18062656
Good shit, didn't know that about frequency adjectives. Got any other special usage rules related to adjectives like this to share?

>> No.18062718

>>18062699
>SRS can be rote learning
Space repetition doesn't have to be rote learning but if you're using Anki then you're doing rote learning because the repetition is mechanical.

>Rote learning means more than "involves repetition"
Repeating pure information in order to remember that information without undergoing comprehension or natural use of that information is learning by rote.

When you use mnemonics, you are still learning by rote. You're just learning the mnemonics by rote instead of the information represented by the mnemonics. That doesn't mean you're not doing something by rote.

Rote is the opposite of learning by "experience" or "naturally". There's a middle ground between the two extremes that doesn't qualify as "rote", but repeating flashcards is never in that middle ground.

>> No.18062754

>>18062628
I didn't say drop the standard, I suggested dropping japanese entirely until you can maintain the standard fool

>> No.18062770

>>18062718
>if you're using Anki then you're doing rote learning
You're too stuck on the standard accepted methods for Japanese to acknowledge the variety of methods allowed by Anki. Anki is scheduling. It has very little to do with the learning method used on the cards, though you may argue which methods are worth using.

>You're just learning the mnemonics by rote instead of the information represented by the mnemonics
Thanks for moving the goalpost. "Rote isn't involved" wasn't my claim, but that the target material does not have to be rote. Mnemonics together with kanji are meaningful learning if your mnemonics aren't garbage, but it's very possible and even likely for them to be what you've just described instead.

>repeating flashcards is never in that middle ground.
Anki looks a lot like flashcards, is often used as flashcards, but as I said is scheduling for whatever the hell you choose to do.

I agree with the rest.

>> No.18062782

>>18062770
>You're too stuck on the standard accepted methods for Japanese to acknowledge the variety of methods allowed by Anki.
If you use Anki as a computerized flashcards program then you are using it to learn by rote. No buts.

Spaced reading is possible with Anki but is very much not recommended.

>Thanks for moving the goalpost. "Rote isn't involved" wasn't my claim
I never said it was. I said "Anki is rote learning". In the context of you breaking down Anki/SRS in general as being completely different than "rote learning". You're the one that's moving your goalposts. This is so stupid I'm not even going to read the rest of your post. Congratulations on robbing yourself of a conversation and making yourself look like an idiot.

>> No.18062812

>>18062782
even spaced reading is rote

>> No.18062818

So there for a while I was too stressed and busy for my anki reps. I continued reading and making new cards, however. Now that I'm doing me reps again I feel like I shouldn't read until I'm caught up and doing new cards as I make them. I'm aware how stupid not reading sounds but what is the alternative, commit sudoku?

>> No.18062846

>>18062818
who gives a shit

do whatever you want

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18062854

Reached the end of my first month of mining.

>> No.18062889

>>18062854
I don't recognize the first hyougai kanji, what word did you mine?

>> No.18062896

>>18062782
>If you use Anki as a computerized flashcards program then you are using it to learn by rote.
Thanks for once again failing to disagree with with any of my actual claims before you bailed pretending that you didn't read the 100 word post. Reading comprehension is a valuable skill.

>>18062782
>In the context of you breaking down Anki/SRS in general as being completely different than "rote learning".
>By the way, notice that I emphasized a specific kind of rote learning for the entirety of the post.
I should have started my first post with different wording, but again, reading comprehension helps follow discussions. And again, SRS isn't inherently rote learning, it is commonly used with rote learning.

>> No.18062901

>>18062889


I can't remember if I encountered it in kanji form or not. I always add the kanji version of the words I mine just in case I encounter them that way at some point.

>> No.18062906 [DELETED] 

>>18062896
I wrote up a response already because I knew what you were going to say, but it's mean. I don't want to force you to read something so mean. If you really want to read it you're going to have to figure out how. Sorry. uggcf://cnfgrova.pbz/aNT77Jhw
Again, to make sure you don't open that if you don't really want to, I don't disagree with any of the conclusions you drew in your original post, just the way you got there. When you're helping people, the way you get where you end up is just as important as whether you end up in the right or not.

>> No.18062911 [DELETED] 

>>18062896
they read your entire post, they're just not responding to the entire thing
they said this in their very first response
>>18062906
you're a dick

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>>18062906
>If you really want to read it you're going to have to figure out how. Sorry.

>> No.18062922 [DELETED] 

>>18062906
And the award for most autistic person in this thread goes to....

>> No.18062924

>>18062901
>I always add the kanji version of the words I mine just in case I encounter them that way at some point.
Even if you encounter them they'll more than likely have furigana (even in something that isn't ""difficult""), and considering there are other words you could learn, it's a waste of time and effort but I do it too

>> No.18062926 [DELETED] 

>>18062906
>You're acting like a child
>rot13 pastebin
>clinging to a paraphrase of the first sentence of my first post, ignoring the context
This was a valuable exchange with a highly functioning human being. Thanks.

>> No.18062927 [DELETED] 

>>18062926
>clinging to a paraphrase
nevermind, you're the dick
you're pretending that you weren't trying to say that anki isn't used for rote learning
you were definitely trying to say that anki isn't used for rote learning

>> No.18062938 [DELETED] 

>>18062926
going to add this on
>or you're doing rote learning bullshit instead of (decently structured) anki cards
>The primary differences between Anki/SRS and rote learning are prioritizing your time towards what you're having the most difficulty remembering, and spreading out your practice
you demonstrated a deep misunderstanding about what rote learning is
no amount of trying to reframe and misrepresent your original posts can change this
making fun of someone that's trying to get you to stop arguing is very cancerous btw

>> No.18062939 [DELETED] 

>>18062927
>you were definitely trying to say that anki isn't used for rote learning
I've already said that my initial wording of my first sentence should have been different, but I clearly have been arguing otherwise for multiple posts, and I clearly had specific intent of distinguishing Anki from a specific type of repetition-heavy rote learning in my original post.

>> No.18062942 [DELETED] 

>>18062939
it has nothing to do with wording, your idea of what rote learning is was entirely wrong

>> No.18062951 [DELETED] 

>>18062906
I feel sorry for your mother.

>> No.18062953 [DELETED] 

>>18062951
Why did you respond to the same post multiple times, anon?

>> No.18062956 [DELETED] 

>>18062906
absolute autism in this one

>> No.18062957 [DELETED] 

absolute autism can be a good thing

>> No.18062974 [DELETED] 

>>18062957
No it can't

>> No.18062977 [DELETED] 

>>18062974
it can

>> No.18062983 [DELETED] 

>>18062977
Something tells me you're the autist that made that post

>> No.18062985

btw the people who think SRS isn't rote have been posting for a long time >>/jp/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=srs+rote

best to call them out on their bullshit and ignore any responses rather than try to argue with them

>> No.18063007 [DELETED] 

>>18062942
If you don't recognize what my intent was by what I've already tagged from my post, I don't know what to say. It's possible to make a mistake in wording without failing to understand that rote learning is learning focused on repetition without context or association. I was exhausted when I wrote that post which is why I responded so much later. It's strange to be called out in such a way when the last guy said "rote learning is the opposite of natural learning", as if learning is on a linear scale from "rote" to "unrote" and other concepts do not exist. But since I appear to be outnumbered by people don't care about the surrounding context and only really care about my mistake, I will hold up a white flag and claim that I have no idea what I'm saying.

>> No.18063012 [DELETED] 

>>18063007
>or you're doing rote learning bullshit instead of (decently structured) anki cards
>The primary differences between Anki/SRS and rote learning are prioritizing your time towards what you're having the most difficulty remembering, and spreading out your practice
what your intent was is obvious. you were simply using the term rote learning incorrectly. you can't say you didn't make an argument that you made.

>> No.18063032

>>18062924
It's definitely not a waste of time and effort. Hell, kanji helps for understanding what a word is made up of too. You're bound to come across writer who uses kanji for 躊躇 and 躊躇う without furigana, or uses multiple/different forms of a word, like 憾み 恨み and 怨み (came across these three in the same sentence in Chronobox). So you'll probably want to have the different forms too.

At first I didn't take that stuff into consideration when creating mining cards, but now after the 2k+6k deck and over 11k cards mined, I almost always (unless I'm feeling lazy and don't want to read a fucking definition for 宇治茶 or 抹茶) copy and paste the definition with all it's forms from a dictionary like https://www.weblio.jp/, which often has usage examples too, and delete the edict definition if it's at all misleading. Over time I've become paranoid that edict is telling me lies so my autism compels me to check a japanese dictionary and also see what forms are outdated/not used. It would probably be easier to just connect a different dictionary to rikaisama by this point but I've already come this far and don't really have that many more cards to mine anyway so screw it.

Point is, Japanese authors are assholes and make you learn kanji.

>> No.18063035 [DELETED] 

>>18063012
"rote learning bullshit" was intended to refer to a subset of rote learning. I felt that the rest of the post was clear. You will say that it was clearly communicating what supports your argument, and I will not counter it unless you say something new. I'm just baffled. This is a lot of bullshit over one assumed misunderstanding.

>> No.18063045 [DELETED] 

>>18063035
>The worst kind of rote learning for kanji, in my opinion, is writing the same thing tens of times at once. Repeating the same thing twenty times in a day is far less effective than repeating it once or twice a day for a week.
it is one hundred percent unambiguous that you were assuming that rote learning requires there to be no systematic spacing. this is not true.

>> No.18063053 [DELETED] 

this is what happens when you read a "mean" response that you were warned against reading

>> No.18063058 [DELETED] 

>>18063045
I concede that in two sentences I imply that. It is not what I believed or intended.

>> No.18063060 [DELETED] 

>>18063058
i accept your concession

>> No.18063064 [DELETED] 

>>18063053
Typing through tears right now. Don't rot13, not even once. I know how I'll get back at the next internet fucker that crosses me.

>> No.18063095

>>18063032
I like you, anon. You give me goals and stuff.

>> No.18063129

>>18063032
>躊躇う
This one is in Dracu Riot for sure

>> No.18063138

>>18063032
This is why you switch to only Japanese dictionaries as soon as possible. Don't be the guy still mining from Edict out of habit this far in.

>> No.18063152

>>18062854
What's that picture of? Looks useful

>> No.18063156

>>18063152
The thing on the left is just Anki's stats. The right is Kanji Grid.

>> No.18063157

>>18063138
Should I start mining dictionary jargon asap then? Dictionaries seem quite a step above my manga.

>> No.18063164

>>18051073
にある is being used to describe the existence of the condition the person is experiencing-- にいる would only be used to describe a person's physical presence in a specific place

>> No.18063172

Is there a pdf scan of the book "New Authentic Japanese: Progressing From Intermediate to Advanced" anywhere? I'm done with Tobira and not interested in JLPT prep books.

>> No.18063173

>>18063172
Just read media.

>> No.18063181

>>18063157
>mining dictionary jargon
To add a related question, has anyone attempted to make a list of common dictionary jargon as a starting point for this? Beyond making it just a little bit easier to start, it would be nice to have an indication of how much I need to learn and how many of the kanji I'm familiar with already.

>> No.18063189

>>18063172
Are you learning Japanese to read textbooks?

>> No.18063242

I'm about to buy an Android phone cheaper than the Anki app on iOS just to use AnkiDroid, AnkiDroid will be exactly like the PC version right? But just on the go?

>> No.18063250

>>18063242
It doesn't behave exactly the same, but it can do pretty much anything except advanced card management bullshit that you shouldn't ever have to do, and you can just do on the PC if you really want to.

Oh, and no extensions.

>> No.18063278

>>18063242
You still need to manage your decks on your pc but it's good for use on the go.

>> No.18063295

>>18063250
I got way more free time when I'm on the go since I got school aswell

>>18063278
Do you mean dragging anki files onto my phone

>> No.18063343

>>18063295
>Do you mean dragging anki files onto my phone
Not that anon, but unless you want pictures/sound, you don't have to worry about it, it just syncs. More like, searching for all cards in the database with a certain string or whatever is not possible (as far as I'm aware) on ankidroid. If you want to easily edit a card with font formatting (text colors, etc...) on the PC you can always mark it with the icon for later.

I used ankidroid when for commute to my classes and it saved me a lot of time.

>> No.18063411

>>18063242
If you use iOS why don't you just get the app? You can't afford 30€ for something you'll be using for possibly years to come? It should be obvious but the upkeep of Anki isn't free.

>> No.18063466

>>18063411
maybe if the lead developer of the desktop program didn't program so badly that it might as well be obfuscated it wouldn't have upkeep problems
Anki really doesn't do that much

>> No.18063507

>>18063157
Mine any word out of a definition that:
- isn't a paragraph (good sign you're looking at a biology, anthropology, zoology, carpentry, naval term etc. that's going to use a ton of special vocabulary that you won't need)
- isn't part of an borderline unintelligible example sentence
- doesn't appear by itself at the end of the definition

talk·a·tive, adj. Fond of or given to talking. Loquacious. (There's nothing objectively wrong with an ESL learning "loquacious" early but if he knows "loquacious" but not "chatty" he's just going to come off as a stupid twat)

Just use common sense.

>>18063181
Learn what 転じて means, what 仏語 is, and the difference between こと and さま (see >>18059214). After that I can't think of anything else you would trip over.

Dictionary kanji use is on the conservative side. Even many jouyou kanji words are still written in kana/given furigana.

>> No.18063520

How do you know you're at intermidiate level?

>> No.18063568

>>18063520
Pass N2 or score equivalently on the J-Cat

>> No.18063584

>>18063568
I got an n1 equivalent is that bad

>> No.18063590

Did everyone here really just read part of a grammar guide and then open up Core 2k in Anki and go?

>> No.18063609

No context, just some twitter ramblings
>今日も何もしてない気がするけどねよう
What is "けどねよう" supposed to imply?

>> No.18063624

>>18063609
けど寝よう

>> No.18063629

>>18063590
There was a large period where I was proud of myself for recognizing 私 and other basic shit in porn and anime before I got semi-serious about it.

Even people who don't intend to learn Japanese should still read a grammar guide.

>> No.18063673

>>18063590
I learned grammar in a class and did Core 10k

>> No.18063711
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>>18063590
I've just started using the Anki 6k deck in the guide and having taken 3 semesters of Japanese and literally just relied on my slightly above par intellect to absorb information I only have a good foundation of basic grammar and sentence structure. My vocab is shit and I feel like I don't know anything but yeah just use the resources in the guide. It's the most impressive cluster of material I've seen since I started learning.

>> No.18063746

>>18063590
I watched anime and skipped grammar guides

>> No.18063750

おはようおにいちゃん

>>18062654
人の少ない所



人気(ひとけ)のない所

だよ

この時はニンキとは読まないよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

>> No.18063754

>>18063750
>人気(ひとけ)のない所
>この時はニンキとは読まないよ
ありがとーっす、いもう樽ちゃん

>> No.18063787
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18063787

>card is a leech, it has been suspended
Is there a worse feeling than seeing that pop up in anki?

>> No.18063792

>>18063787
when you see it again right after it's suspended
but it has a different reading and definition

>> No.18063802

>>18063754
やっとわかった

Immotoalね

わかることならなんでもこたえちゃうよ

>> No.18063808

>>18063802
imouto + barrel (fat) = いもう樽 = イモータル = immortal = 不滅・不朽

>> No.18063820

>>18063787
I see it all the time, but it is only set to tag

>> No.18063832

>>18063808
たるというより

板?

自虐で鬱になってきました

>> No.18063835

>>18063832
板なら大好きなタイプだよ

>> No.18063858

>>18063787
failing a mature card with 1y 2.2y and 3.4y intervals comes to mind

>> No.18063868

>>18053044
Good job.

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>>18063835
ロウきゅーぶでも

あたしよりあるらしい

>> No.18063886

>>18063880
ぺったんサイコーとおもうよ?

>> No.18063889
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>>18063858
はい

>> No.18063909

>>18063880
と、ロリキャラを演じている気っっっ色悪い30歳代男性ニートが申しております。

>> No.18063913

>>18063909
つまり、イモー樽

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>>18063886
げんじつはきびしい

>> No.18064026

>>18063343
>searching for all cards in the database with a certain string or whatever is not possible (as far as I'm aware) on ankidroid
I think this was possible back when I had an android phone. You just had to remember all the exact terms and formating to search for the string.

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クリスマスはもうすぐなのに全く期待してねえな

>> No.18064422

>>18056672
Its Anki integration is pure shit. I rarely say this paranoid shit but you sound like a bona fide shill.

>> No.18064447

>>18064405
今年はクリスマスの感じが全然してねぇ
隅に木がぽつんと置かれてるだけ
外も普通だし

>> No.18064585

>>18063156
>Kanji grid
Thanks anon, I've started learning Japanese and they've been throwing Kanji at me. This seems like it will be very helpful

>> No.18064598

>>18064585
>helpful
not really, just interesting

>> No.18064623

クリスマスは

クリスマスの曲が

ひけるからすき

>> No.18064634

面接された初めてだから

すごく緊張した

>> No.18064651
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anyone have experience with this book? i picked this for my studies and have so far liked it. no nonsense explanations of grammar and it's not done by some amateur

>> No.18064795

>>18064598
What do you mean, is Kanji grid not used for learning?

>> No.18064798

>>18064795
No?

It's just a means of seeing how many kanji you have in your deck and which category they fall into. Nothing more, nothing less.

>> No.18064848

>>18064795
it's more like a rainbow e-penis

>> No.18064858

>>18064651
I have a similar textbook written by some native nobody professor and it's basically imabi

>> No.18064860

>>18064848
basically this

>> No.18064902
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18064902

i've been experimenting with IDS cloze deletion cards to learn kanji components. it works quite well but its not certainly suited for anki's simplistic deck model. helps with writing, just remember to suspend anything you know well enough else the number of cards get fast out of hand

>> No.18064993

>>18060201
>>18061064
I get what both are you trying to say anons, personally the better method for me is to take the middle approach.

I tell my teacher nicely if he asks me to repeat memorizing and writing words too much without any actual real use in conversations/contexts/etc not because I'm smarter than him but because that shit is fucking boring. He asks me to write and memorize newer characters while giving me actual real examples for their uses while at the same time those examples contain older words periodically. Besides I'm too stupid anyway to actually memorize all of those without any actual real use examples

>>18060266
>>18060411
Thanks for you advices anons

>>18061071
My bad, meant to say characters

>> No.18065077

>【北九州】スターフライヤーは機内安全ビデオを3年ぶりに刷新、設立記念日の17日から順次放映する。モノづくりの街・北九州市に拠点がある航空会社として、ロボット技術やデザインなどをスタイリッシュに表現したという。2018年冬季ダイヤから参入を予定する国際定期路線でも放映する。

>「スターフライヤーマン」と名付けた航空機をモチーフにしたロボット(写真)が、シートベルトの装着方法などをクールに案内する。同社の機内ビデオは今回が4作目。企画から出演までを社員が手がけたのが特徴。松石禎己社長は「旅の始まりのワクワク感を楽しんでもらいたい」と、ロボットと一緒の優雅なフライトを訴えた。

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heCtD4VcyV8

スターフライヤーマン大好き
ロボトと結婚したい

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>>18065077

>> No.18065136

いろんな小説を読んだけど全然面白くない
だけど、上手になるためには漫画よりエロゲームより小説を読めないとならないって思って
どうしようかな

>> No.18065214

>>18065136
解答「おもしろい小説を読め」

>> No.18065217

>>18063138
I'm >>18063032 and yea just downloaded 大辞林 and 広辞苑 EPWINGs from the CoR and now I feel mega retarded for not using them before.

>> No.18065253

>>18065214
そんなものを探してるけどおもしろそうな小説を読んですぐに飽きちゃうなんだよ

>> No.18065335

>>18065217
大辞林 is one of the sources for the definitions you get from https://dic.yahoo.co.jp/

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>when you start understanding single words and kanjis in sentences :>

>> No.18065443

Sorry for the blog post, doing some planning for the new year and I'm interested in people's feedback.

Is anyone here a genuinely slow learner? Rote learning is my big weakness and I combat it by constant repetition. It means that while I need Anki, I'm pretty bad at it and I can only usually do about 10 per day. I was thinking that I'm only going to learn ~3600 new words in 2018. That's relatively small compared to what's needed for fluency.

Thing is, I fucking love reading. I could read all day. So I do Anki as part of my routine, but my love lies in reading. This is stopping me from giving up completely and I think I can do it.

Should I spend more time bumping it up to 20 per day and see if I can handle it, or should I just do more reading? What's more beneficial to my dumb ass?

>> No.18065510

>>18065443
My advice is don't rush it. Just learn in a way that's fun, and if that means you learn a bit slowly, it doesn't matter. I also like reading the most, therefore I do no anki of any kind anymore, I only read. Your mileage may vary but personally I couldn't be happier with that choice.

>> No.18065520

>>18065443
It's slow (gradual) to notice, but it really does help with word recognition and you won't have to look up as many words. Learning words gets easier as you know more (although you'll probably also grow to hate anki more too) so if 10 feels like too much right now, that's fine, but I'd say it'd definitely be good to up it to 20 or more sometime in the future. The sooner you get over this hill, etc...

But if you like reading that's great. If you learn words from reading and come across a word in anki you already know, you can just press easy on that shit or suspend it.

>> No.18065521

>>18065443
Why are you trying to be fluent if you're already capable of using Japanese and love doing it? Do Anki at whatever slow pace your heart desires and read all you want.

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The last panel, is it saying "we really did find potatoes inside luna and decided to eat them", something like that? I'm not sure if that's really what he's saying cause it sounds fucking retarded.

>> No.18065580

>>18065559
Context?

>> No.18065605

>>18065580
Guy thinks back on the first time he told a lie. His mom found out him and his sister weren't eating properly and was ready to scold them, but he said they found some potatoes in the mountains and they weren't hungry.

>> No.18065632

>>18065605
Luna (his sister?) started to believe the lie.

>> No.18065684

>>18065632
Oh ok. Thanks.

>> No.18065773

>understand every word in a sentence
>Still don't understand it

Any good resources to help with sentence translation? Some drills or something

>> No.18065808

>>18065773
Dig into the grammar and read more. Even if you think you know the grammar, look it up anyway. Some of it is used in different ways and can mean different things.

>> No.18065892

>>18065559
Luna thinks them finding and eating potatoes is real

>> No.18065907

>>18065773
Watch more anime

>> No.18065947

>>18065907
Get a trip

>> No.18065974

>>18065773
Grammar studies, idiom studies, and just a lot of reading

>> No.18066118

>>18063584
Nah, you're a little bit above intermediate in that case.

>> No.18066125

>>18063590
I learned grammar from a paid program called Human Japanese, and then I did Anki. I didn't really flesh out my grammar until I had read manga and read through the later chapters of Tae Kim to cover what HJ missed for me.

>> No.18066151

>ランボー
Had to double check until I realised it's not Rambo in the context

>> No.18066395

>>18064858
funny everyone keeps recommending some ghetto website when there are perfectly good texts made by professionals already available.
its as if the posters in this thread were lazy and complacent wow whoa

>> No.18066406

>>18066395
what? do you have a point, or?

>> No.18066421

>>18066406
there are better texts than tae-kim readily abound on common warez watering holes and it's silly to keep recommending such web sites

>> No.18066450

has anyone else tried writing haiku? I just got the idea, always thought they were cool

>> No.18066478

>>18066450
クソ俳句
誰も読んでない
自殺しろ

>> No.18066646
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How do you guys keep up with new manga volumes? I was thinking I could just throw the name of the manga onto an RSS feed and torrent off of Nyaa once it shows up, but I'd also like to know the time frame it could be released.

>> No.18066698

I've been doing RTK for a little while now with decent success but I really struggle to do my 20 new cards a day everyday so I've often been skipping entire days (though I do all my reps every single day). Should I stick to this routine (i.e. doing new cards when I feel like it) or simply lower my amount of new cards but doing them every day?

>> No.18066723

>>18066698
lower the amount. if you skip every other day, do 10 cards. if you skip every other day in a 2-1-2-1-2-1 cycle then do 14~ cards, etc.

>> No.18066733

Is 寧々 really a name? "Nene" how you say it?
This is the most bizarre shit I've come across this entire week.

>> No.18066741

>>18066723
Basically lower the amount to match what I'm currently doing? Seems fair

>> No.18066829
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18066829

>clockwork leyline on steam
>no kanji
really want to pay for some of this shit so more of it continues but holy fuck why

>> No.18066846

>>18066829
The engine it's based on is proprietary garbage and doesn't have a simple way to add multilanguage support.

>> No.18066917

>>18066846
Ah so it was either english or jap, they don't have a choice?

>> No.18066920

>>18066829
just buy it and then play the japanese version pirated anyways? if the only principle thing you care about is giving them money then that's all that matters. anyways don't buy through Steam if at all possible anyways, Valve jews out a 30% cut.

>> No.18066927
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18066927

The first time I've tried out the Kanji Grid thing. Turns out I have way more kanji in my deck than I thought I did, though it seems my retention for some is pretty bad.

>> No.18066995

>>18066920
30% for steam vs the $70 roobucks for dlsite(5,940円)
its like a struggle of who can out jew the other, for a game this old

>> No.18067032
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18067032

今度はテニス部から
ボコボコにされたとこを
助けてくれたんだってねえ
何でも
>裸みたいな格好になってまで

(流子)なってまでっていうか
なったっていうか
>It was closer to "all butt-naked", really.

am i right that the direct translation of the answer is rather "was about to get naked" (なってまでっていうか)
rather than WAS naked?

>> No.18067101

>起き抜け
i need to back off the eroge if I take this as 'getting up to jerk off'

>> No.18067109

I'm gonna give this a try.

>> No.18067111

>>18067109
Don't

>> No.18067115

>>18067111
but why

>> No.18067124

>>18067115
You'll die

>> No.18067132

>>18067124
now I have to try.

>> No.18067136

>>18067132
You got this bb

>> No.18067141

>>18067136
thanks.
Why is konnichiwa spelled with a ha?

>> No.18067152

>>18067141
It's a shortening of a longer phrase, the は is the topic particle.

>> No.18067156

>>18067141
Because the partical は is pronounced wa when used as a topic particle, I'm going to wager that is how it's being used in konnichi-wa

More particle fun: へ is pronounced e when used as a partical and を is pronounced o when used as a particle

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18067165

the blind lead the blind and now I begin to see

>> No.18067221

おはようおにいちゃん

めふんたべたい

>> No.18067254

>>18067032
>なってまで
To go as far as to get naked (for something). He/She got naked on purpose
>なった
Became naked, possibly against his/her will

>> No.18067264

A native told me to write 勉強中 for "in the middle of studying", but after learning more grammar could it mean "while" and be ungrammatical? He isn't that great at English so it seems possible.

>> No.18067272

>>18067264
Sorry, "currently studying", not in the middle of.
I was initially using しっている before changing it to that.

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18067307

just kill me
so, how did everyone else's studies go in 2017?
>tfw planned to read a book every month
>今日もあしたから頑張るぞい x 300
>managed to read 2/3rd of 1 book and 1/2 of another
should i even bother trying to set a goal for 2018 or just give it up entirely?

>>18067272
>しっている
that's wrong no matter what you were trying to say

>> No.18067342

>>18067307
Man I couldn't imagine setting hard goals like that. To me learning is supposed to be leisure, not work. I only do studying that is fun, on my own pace.

>> No.18067353

>>18067264
No he's right. 勉強中 definitely means in the middle of studying in most contexts.

今、勉強中です = I'm in the middle of studying right now.

>> No.18067360

>>18067307
I Improved a lot over the year. Generally nothing is too difficult for me to pick up anymore outside weird accents or classical Japanese.
I want to be able to pass N1 by next year, assuming I passed the N2 this year. I want to really work on my listening as well.

>> No.18067364

>>18067353
Is this the same context as "currently studying" in the same way we'd write "currently attending x university" in a biography? I'm not saying im literally in the middle of studying at that very moment, but that it's something I do.

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18067560

しはんせいきはあるのに

ごはんせいきがないのはどうして

>> No.18067567
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18067567

kana are easier to remember when I look at them sideways

>> No.18067621
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18067621

Let's all take a moment to appreciate the fact that Dimple has it's own kanji in Japanese

>> No.18067657

>>18067156
を and お are pronounced slightly differently though

>> No.18067660

>>18067657
They're not.

>> No.18067666

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm32440579

>> No.18067694

I'm gonna achieve fluent japanese with meme learning apps that gamify japanese and you can't stop me

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18067732

>>18067694
knock yourself out

>> No.18067738

>>18067694
Learning Japanese isn't a game anon.

>> No.18067751

>>18067660
They are tho

>> No.18067754

>>18067751
They're really not. You don't know Japanese.

>> No.18067812

>>18067754
これはペンです

Yes I can bitch

>> No.18067816

>>18067812
Stop using whatever resource made you think that を and お aren't pronounced the same.

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18067827

>Android 8.0, set to Japanese
The fuck. Is with. This font.

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18067843

>>18054337
>just coincidental
You meant incidental

>> No.18067880

>>18067816
But that resource was thousands of hours spent watching Japanese TV and speaking to Japanese people

>> No.18067885

>>18067880
You definitely didn't do that.

>> No.18067898

>>18067827
There's nothing wrong with 噂 there.

>> No.18067903

>>18067880
日本語話せるなら証明せよ

>> No.18067920

>>18067885
I did though, I've watched at least 200 episodes of Idol TV shows, 50+ anime series raw, and spent god knows how long in call with random jap bitches on Line

>>18067903
これはペンです

どうやって証明すればいい?このようにどうでもにいい会話をすりゃ信じてくれるの?JLPTなんて受けたことないんだぴょん

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18067935

My neet brain can't handle all this learning

>> No.18067939

>>18067920
>このようにどうでもにいい会話をすりゃ信じてくれるの?
>JLPTなんて受けたことないんだぴょん
Forced production. Not even once.

>> No.18067948

>>18067939
I'll force your mom to produce my children

>> No.18067950

>>18067948
She's infertile

>> No.18067955

>>18067950
She is now that I'm finished with her kono baka yaroooou

>> No.18067966

>>18067955
Your mom is the kind of woman that wouldn't stop having children even if she became infertile

>> No.18067969

Do you listen to music while studying? Any recs?

>> No.18067985

>>18067969
Music distract from concentration

>> No.18068016

>>18067985
Ambient and similar music usually doesn't.

>> No.18068034

>>18049977
why are there so many kanji, anons? it kills me

>> No.18068037

>>18068034
Just be thankful you don't need to learn to write them from memory

>> No.18068044

>>18068016
>ambient
>music

>> No.18068047

>>18067342
Yeah well the problem is ever since I reached the so-called intermediate hell my pace is so ridiculously slow because I was just reading when I feel like it, which often took a back seat to vidya and other wastes of time

>> No.18068059

>>18067657
Please find any resource that agrees with you and link it.

>> No.18068070

>>18067969
Various OSTs, preferably no vocals, but one or two vocal tracks in a 1-2 hour OST are good short breaks.
>>18067985
Vocals have always been a massive distraction from getting anything done for me, but I don't think that even fairly energetic/complex music is distracting for me without the vocals. I'd even say they keep me more interested in what I'm doing, as paradoxical as that may sound.

>> No.18068078

>>18068070
I agree with the emphasis on avoiding vocal music.

>> No.18068086

Can 皆 refer to things instead of people even with the honorific 皆さん?

>> No.18068093

>>18067342
Advice that I received a long time ago and I'm pleased with the results of: Set high goals and be okay with failure. If you set low goals, you will relax and work at a pace to achieve those low goals just in time. If you set high goals, you may not meet them, but you will push yourself harder and likely accomplish more than you thought you could. And if you do meet them, you damn well know you deserve to feel proud, which was rarely the case for me with low goals.

>> No.18068102

>>18068086
>Can 皆 refer to things instead of people
yes
>even with the honorific 皆さん?
no

>> No.18068103

>people consider 2 hours of reading a day the standard
oh god i need to get on my shit then
i do like an hour of reading a day, and sometimes take a day or two off just for a break so I don't feel overwhelmed

>> No.18068117

>>18067969
Music has a significant impact on concentration. Even instrumental music. Your brain can only focus on so much information at one time.

>> No.18068123

>>18068103
No, it was just one retard that said that and everyone disagreed with him.

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>>18049977
This is bullshit! How the hell do you even approach this? Learning Japanese is impossible!

I'm an absolute beginner and I need some serious help and advice on how to learn this stuff.

>> No.18068148

>>18068142
Stop listening to Namasensei and start reading the guide.

>> No.18068149

>>18068148
Who is Namasensei?

>> No.18068157

>>18068142
>an elf handing ornaments on a christmas tree
well yeah it's gonna be a lot more difficult if you learn it a retarded way like that

>> No.18068163

>>18068142
https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/index.html
Read the guide in the OP. Grind this until you learn the kana. Then start reading a grammar guide and doing Core2k/6k in Anki.
頑張ってください

>> No.18068166

>>18068142
Those are some cute イラストs

>> No.18068170

>>18068142
1) Learn the hiragana and katakana through rote. You should consider yourself "done" after a week or two, even if there are still characters you mess up sometimes. https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/index.html
2) After step 1, start memorizing vocabulary words written in Kanji from a frequency list or from this Anki deck: https://mega.nz/#!QIQywAAZ!g6wRM6KvDVmLxq7X5xLrvaw7HZGyYULUkT_YDtQdgfU
3) Starting at the same time you start step 2, read a beginner's grammar guide. There are fucktons. Do not focus on textbook exercises, you don't want to bother with them at such an early stage.
4) Once you can recognize the most common particles (は、が、の、から、に、で、etc) as being common particles, start exposing yourself to written Japanese anywhere you want. Social media, Japanese websites, manga, doujinshi, video games, anything. You don't have to understand it yet.
5) Once you realize that you understand what very simple statements like 犬を飼う, start reading entertainment media, even if you can only do it for a few minutes at a time before burning out. This is the point where you can actually identify what your weaknesses are and search for resources to target those weaknesses.
6) Your goal is to get to Step 5 as fast as possible. Anything that takes significant amounts of time away from things that bring you close to Step 5 should be postponed until you start Step 5.

>> No.18068171

>>18068149
A guy who tells people to torture themselves in the way that you appear to be doing, judging from your picture.

>> No.18068172

>>18068166
looks more like furry cancer desu

>> No.18068174

I have a Japanese exam tomorrow afternoon. Wish me luck, anons!

>> No.18068176

>>18068142
just download dr moku's hiragana and katakana, you'll learn kana in 2 days max, then download "write it japanese" and practice writing the symbols

>> No.18068180

>>18068174
落ちろ落ちろ落ちろ落ちろ落ちろ

>> No.18068244

>>18067364
在学中
勉強に取り組んでいる

>> No.18068252

I'm a beginner. Is reading grammar guides for like 2 hours a day too much? I'm not sure if taking in a lot quickly would hurt my retention. Basically, is it better to quickly get through a grammar guide and begin reading Japanese as soon as possible even if as a result I don't actually learn several grammar points or to take my time through the guide reviewing sections I didn't get?

>> No.18068264

>>18068252
you read a guide once, then come back as needed while reading
the first run through is just to give you a mental bookmark, but even that isn't really necessary if you just ctrl F what you need to define

>> No.18068271

>>18068142
What kind of an elf is that?

>> No.18068279

>>18068271
Furry

>> No.18068315

>>18058951
Being able to use a text-to-speech program to listen to novels at work or while multitasking is nice

Free OCRs seems to have questionable accuracy

>> No.18068362

>>18068315
If you have a job that lets you have the composure to listen to audiobooks, you probably have a job that can afford to buy real ones without relying on text to speech programs.

Or pirate them. Whatever.

>> No.18068473


I like how this Kanji looks like a wrap

>> No.18068491

so i'm having a bit of an issue with ITH transferring the copied text to firefox
I copied the text like usual, but it isn't auto-inputting the lines that come after that, i'm having to manually copy them as well

>> No.18068502

>>18068491
nvm apparently auto copy to clipboard somehow turned itself off

>> No.18068526

>>18068252
>I'm not sure if taking in a lot quickly would hurt my retention.
Studying for hours on an organized, consistent schedule has no negative effect on retention. People who do this reach long-term mastery in a subject hundreds of hours sooner than people who study when they "feel like it". The difference in progress after 3 months is comical.

If you're really interested in doing that, I suggest splitting AM and PM and spending a quarter of your time solely on review. Find a reliable source of answers for questions (doesn't have to be here) and try to keep them specific and meaningful.

>> No.18068608

anons I'm using the guide and don't understand the

{{Sentence-Image}} part

seems to be lacking part of the text, and I can only get {unknown field Sentence-Image} when I try to add it

>> No.18068623

I caught the flu and have been fucking up a bunch of mature cards on Anki

It's painful

>> No.18068637

>>18068608
Don't use the images.

>> No.18068655

>>18068623
It's slightly less painful if you stop it from showing the next review time over the answer buttons.

>> No.18068665

>>18067898
Ah, thanks, I jumped to conclusions there. The top is different in the manga I was reading. I guess this is the traditional/normal version.

>> No.18068671

>>18068665
It's one of the characters affected by the "extended shinjitai" mistake of JIS X 0213.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/JIS_X_0213

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>>18068655
not that guy
that does help somewhat, but I feel i already know a card is mature
in fact, my brain will let me know I've forgotten it, and roughly how long ago, and that I keep fucking it up, all these little things except the god damm word itself

>> No.18068705

>>18067935
Do your best, anon-kun.

>> No.18068712

>>18068671
Wow, that is incredibly annoying.

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18068722

so i've been reading for about a week now, but I still don't think I fully understand noun and verb conjugation. I tried re-reading tae kim and it didn't really help. what should I do?

>> No.18068731
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>>18068722
Give it more time. When you have to learn a lot of individual pieces of information, extra effort time doesn't help, only more time spent applying effort.

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>>18068731
>nopan

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>>18068738

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>>18068731
alright, i'll keep reading then. thanks for the encouragement

>> No.18068762

how do I even use anki, its so overwhelming with a bunch of words

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18068770

>>18068762

>> No.18068782

>>18068093
I'll try this in 2018 anon.
im also gonna box my goals up a bit more finely i.e. chapter per day or something
"1 book a month" leaves a lot of mental room for slacking

>> No.18068785

>>18068142
dont write them a billion times anon
just a few is enough

>> No.18068796

>>18068526
While all of this is true, if you find yourself having trouble staying organized and consistent, those are ALSO skills you can learn and ones you're better off learning than Japanese. Don't try, fail to stick to whatever schedule you set, and give up.

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18068826

>>18068796

>> No.18068838

Do you guys feel like writing the kanji down while studying helps memorization? Do you guys do it?

Personally It takes too much time and, honestly, it feels like forcing myself to write sentences on my notebook is the only time it'll be useful to recall perfectly how they're all written.

Trying to learn them by the radicals seems unhelpful too, even more so if you won't learn the name of every radical so you can actually ask for the way a kanji is written without asking someone to write it down.

>> No.18068845

>>18068796
Don't try? Ok, gotcha.

>> No.18068846

>>18068796
>ones you're better off learning than Japanese
Those are skills you can hone through dedicating yourself to learning Japanese though.

>> No.18068874

>>18068838
Writing them down was more helpful than not when going through the jouyou kanji for me. Study new character, visualize mnemonic, write character 10 or more times. I was not writing them with any other purpose than to get another dimension of feel for the character. Pay attention to stroke order but don't practice penmanship or go for writing ability itself and it doesn't add much more time.

>> No.18068875

>>18068846
Yes, but "dedicating yourself" sounds like you mean making a large lifestyle change all at once, which isn't a good way to form habits that stick.

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18068911

>manga writes one word in kanji but a different word in furigana
>the scan quality is too crap to read the furigana so I don't know what word is actually supposed to be being said

>> No.18068949

>>18068838
>writing the kanji down while studying helps memorization
Yes
>Do you guys do it?
No

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>>18068911
Usually the kanji give more context and the furigana is either chuunibyou or a stupid english word, why are you mad?

>>18068874
Sorry, with "perfectly" I didn't mean penmanship, I meant actually remembering every stroke.
Do you still remember how to write every jouyou and/or feel it's helpful to be able to do so?

>> No.18069026

>>18067827
Are you weirded out because android isn't giving you the chinese versions og kanji for once?

>> No.18069193
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18069193

Why are IME's so badly designed?

shi -> し
sha/shu/sho -> しゃ/しゅ/しょ
sya/syu/syo -> しゃ/しゅ/しょ
si -> し
Okay, makes sense...

chi -> ち
cha/chu/cho -> ちゃ/ちゅ/ちょ
cya/cyu/cyo -> ちゃ/ちゅ/ちょ
uh-huh...
ci -> し
WHAT THE FUCK

fa/fi/fe/fo -> ファ/フィ/フェ/フォ
okay...
ti/di -> チ/ヂ
WHY THIS

tsu -> つ
dzu -> dず
AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>> No.18069232

>>18069193
Because there are different romanization styles.

Hepburn is the only good one.

>> No.18069245

>>18069232
Even Hepburn is bad.

>> No.18069261

>>18069193
writing "ci" for an IME to change it is fucking stupid in the first place (if you speak spanish or english as mother tongues at least)

also
>tsu
>not tu for IME purposes
There's your other problem.

>> No.18069292

>>18068962
It was helpful when initially going through them. After the first few hundred or so you get a feel for writing them. I can't write fluently though, not like I could bust out a pen and jot down notes, no. I can't remember how to write most of them at all. But it certainly helped me get used to kanji and to remember each one as I went through.

>> No.18069315

>>18069261
If you're typing two characters and are going for speed (who the fuck cares about their Japanese typing speed?), you've already fucked up.

>> No.18069319

>>18069193
>Why are IME's so badly designed?
Why is anon so retarded?

si -> し
sya/syu/syo -> しゃ/しゅ/しょ
shi -> し
sha/shu/sho -> しゃ/しゅ/しょ
Makes sense...

ti -> ち
tya/tyu/tyo -> ちゃ/ちゅ/ちょ
chi -> ち
cha/chu/cho -> ちゃ/ちゅ/ちょ
Makes sense...

fa/fi/fe/fo -> ファ/フィ/フェ/フォ

ta/tu/te/to -> タ/ツ/テ/ト
ti/di -> チ/ヂ
Makes sense...

tu -> つ
du -> づ
Makes sense.

Learn how to use an IME before being retarded.

>> No.18069327

>>18068838
Being able to recall the kanji well enough to write them is a goal for me. It is not for many people, and so this isn't a recommendation. I go through the strokes mentally on my kanji cards, which are recall cards. I consider a card failed on even small mistakes, though I tend to give myself a little more leniency on the first couple days. Also, every morning I write the new kanji of the day on paper 2-4 times.

I feel that it has increased my ability to recognize/distinguish kanji in vocab compared to before I started kanji cards. But I'm only 600 kanji deep and this is my first approach to kanji cards, so take take that how you will.

>> No.18069331

>>18069193
Stop thinking of typing japanese characters in terms of roman characters. Instead think of it as just combinations of keys that become Japanese characters.

>>18068838
I did it zealously at first but actually learning how to handwrite seems like way more effort than it's worth.

>> No.18069332

>>18069315
This is the first time I've seen someone endorse typing three characters when it's not necessary. Do what you want, but don't feel superior about it.

>> No.18069336

>>18069332
The problem is not the fact that there are shortcuts.

>ci
>し
????????

meanwhile
>du
>づ
that's fine
>dzu
>dず
Why is this forbidden when fucking ci transforms into し?

>> No.18069347

>>18069336
I'm not disagreeing with ci being stupid. I'm disagreeing with using two-character shortcuts like si and du being "already fucking up". Maybe I misunderstood the post. Regardless, the inconsistency is a little silly.

>> No.18069352

>>18069347
There is no inconsistency. They were making an argument against limiting yourself to short input sequences. If you cared about input speed you would be using a kana input map, not romaji.

>> No.18069359

>>18069352
>a kana input map
Not him, but how do you do that? Do you need a Japanese keyboard?

>> No.18069400

Trying to remember my hiragana and katakana without having to check. I'm thinking of going on quizlet and taking a hiragana and katakan test every day so I can retain the memory. This a good idea?

>> No.18069420

>>18069400
Yes. Do it every few hours, even.

>> No.18069459

>>18063507
Is there any good way of figuring out the haughtiness, as it were, of certain words?

>> No.18069474

>>18069459
Reading. Lots.

>> No.18069499

Where do big 3 shounen shit manga fall on the difficulty scale?

>> No.18069501

Anybody read Love at first sight? Is it suitable for an absolute beginner?

>> No.18069504

>>18069499
>Dragon Ball
ez
>One Piece
ez
>Naruto
ez
>Bleach
ez

>> No.18069530

>>18069504
How do they rank compared to each other? Or all they all about equal?

>> No.18069571

>>18069352
>If you cared about input speed you would be using a kana input map
Even natives rarely do that, though. Also, by "inconsistency" I was agreeing that dzu might as well be a valid shortcut.

>> No.18069682

>>18069352
>kana input map
I didn't know this was possible, but I just tried it out with Mozc because I find typing with the romaji input really frustrating.

Unfortunately, while testing out the key-bindings, it turns out some of them are incorrect, and for some retarded reason Mozc won't let you edit them (though you can edit the romaji ones, so I can't understand why the fuck not).

>> No.18069779

A few weeks into learning with anki and my hard drive rips. yay..

>> No.18069787

>>18069779
For future reference, it is possible to sync your deck with AnkiWeb to protect against this sort of thing.

>> No.18069788

>>18069779
That's indeed sad. But next time sync it online.

>> No.18069792

>>18069787
>>18069788
Oh had no idea I could do that. thanks anons.

>> No.18069837

>>18069530
DBがとってもかんたん

bleachはちょいむず

あとなんだろうJOJO?

>> No.18069851

Guy that had massive issues with Anki reds not clearing up.
I got it now. 20 new cards a day is plenty for me though.

Btw, what android keyboard do you use? the one I can select on my new sony phone is a bit weird. I like that it's just entering letters and it guesses what you want but I have a hard time getting to that alternative o that's used as a particle for example.

>> No.18069854

>>18069851
Install google's 10-kana input.

>> No.18069857

>>18069837
>DBがとってもかんたん
よつばととくらべてどっちがもっともかんたんですか。

>> No.18069861

>>18069854
thanks!

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.inputmethod.japanese&hl=de

This?

And since people are complaining about that in the comments, can this do katakana?

>> No.18069864

>>18069861
>This?
yeah
>And since people are complaining about that in the comments, can this do katakana?
for some reason it doesn't let you input katakana directly but you can convert hiragana to katakana it one syllable at a time if it's an unusual word or one word at a time if it knows the word

>> No.18069865

>>18069327
>Being able to recall the kanji well enough to write them is a goal for me.
You should be able to solve this:
http://kanken.jitenon.jp/mondai7/kaki06.html

If you can't, you should reconsider your goals.

>> No.18069911

>>18069682
I've seen people claim that it isn't doable without a Japanese keyboard, and I haven't looked into it enough to check if this is bullshit. Seems like it should be fine as long as you use an IME that lets you change keybinds. Fuck Japanese keyboards, I can deal with everything but the enter key.

>> No.18069957

>>18069327
>>Being able to recall the kanji well enough to write them is a goal for me.
There's nothing wrong with having goals, but you should give them the appropriate level of priority.

Remember, being able to write individual kanji from memory does not translate into being able to write actual words from memory. The latter necessitates not only remembering which kanji are used in a word, but also requires knowing their readings so that you know in which order the the characters appear in the case of compound words (is it 暗闇 or 闇暗?), or where the kanji reading ends and the okurigana begins in other words (is it 顧みる or 顧りみる?).

>> No.18069960

>>18069865
Not doing kanji in gradeschool order which kanken is structured for, but thanks for the resource. I do fine on the words I know.

>> No.18069989

>>18069957
I do recognize this, but I'm primarily doing kanji cards because I had a bit of trouble with mixing up vocab before. I've added in this goal for them because it doesn't seem to be much more work along the way, and because it seems to have the added benefit of forcing me to pay more attention to detail in my kanji reviews. If it starts to take up more of my time further in, I will reassess, as I do agree with prioritization.

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Are there any other DJT wallpapers besides this one?

>> No.18070088

>>18067738
yes it is, I'm gonna make it one with wanikani™

>> No.18070111

>>18070088
I hope for your sake that there's no truth to this post.

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>>18070111
maybe a little bit of truth

>> No.18070214

>>18067694
Why the fuck isn't there something that gamifies anki? There are a few attempts, but they all suck compared to the commercial stuff..

Someone romhack FF5 to replace all the random battles with anki reviews or something.

>> No.18070233

>>18070214
generally gamified shit is terrible compared to actual games. I wish there was an entire community that just turns real JRPGs into gamified learning.

>> No.18070396

>>18068148
>Stop listening to Namasensei

Namasensei's the most enjoyable part about learning Japanese, and kana is so ridiculously easy to learn that it really doesn't even matter how you tackle it

>> No.18070407

>>18070039
I have this giant ぞい if it helps

>> No.18070408

>>18070396
His videos are fun, but he doens't cover very much, and half of what he teaches you is wrong/misleading.

>> No.18070410

>>18070039
That's from Lingua Lift.

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>>18070407
Forgot the giant ぞい

>> No.18070424

>>18070408
For kana it's good enough, some of the stroke orders are wrong but in the grand scheme of things you're not going to reach JLPT3 or 2 without having already picked up the correct ones from somewhere else

>> No.18070429

>>18070410
It's a DJT meme co-opted from Lingua Lift. I'm pretty sure they removed it from their site shortly after the DJT-altered version of the image started to spread.

>> No.18070437

>>18070424
>>For kana it's good enough
Not really since his pronunciation is terrible.

>> No.18070448

>>18070437
Not really, and if you're serious about learning Japanese for more than even a few months then that really doesn't matter at all, your pronunciation automatically fixes itself at the listening and speaking practice stages

>> No.18070464

>>18070448
>>Not really
Yes really. This is not even up for debate. His pronunciation is objectively awful.

>> No.18070491

>>18070464
He doesn't pronounce shit as a native Japanese person would but he still tells you how it's pronounced

Kana is like pre-Japanese learning tier shit the accuracy of pronunciation at that level really couldn't be less important

The only reason you learn kana is so you can get started actually learning Japanese, and after that you're forced into using professional resources and exposing yourself to native material, so why not enjoy Namasensei while you have the chance?

>> No.18070500

>>18070464
>>18070448
also
>your pronunciation automatically fixes itself at the listening and speaking practice stages
Then why is his pronunciation so bad? And why are there so many foreigners in my own country who have been living here for years and speaking to native English speakers on a daily basis during that time but still speak with thick, near-incomprehensible accents?

>> No.18070529

>>18069857
とりやまあきら先生は絵に力があるから

よつばと!よりかんたんだとおもいます

>> No.18070542

>>18070500
Because he had a very basic level of Japanese understanding and obviously never put much effort into learning it, yes he lived in Japan for a period of time but it's obvious he was never that good at speaking it

As for the foreigners in your country, either they don't care enough to practice or their original languages are too far separated from English for them to have natural accents

It takes many many years of exposure with actual active speaking practice to even come close to having native like pronunciation, and the shit you lean in the first 0.5% of that journey has pretty much no impact in the grand scheme of things

How is mispronouncing kana for the first couple of weeks going to affect your ability after a couple of years?

>> No.18070571

>>18070542
>they don't care enough to practice
>It takes many many years of exposure with actual active speaking practice to even come close to having native like pronunciation
Oh, so you admit that you were talking out of your ass and your pronunciation doesn't just automatically just become good with no practice then.

Good.

>How is mispronouncing kana for the first couple of weeks going to affect your ability after a couple of years?
Why learn it incorrectly and spend weeks getting it wrong when you could just learn it correctly in the first place?

>> No.18070602

>>18070571
I didn't say it just magically becomes perfect native level you sperge, I said it automatically begins to fix itself in the speaking and listening stage because of ~exposure~

>Why learn it incorrectly and spend weeks
Because weeks in learning Japanese time is an unbelievably insignificant amount of time and you're going to wish you basked in the innocence and joy of namasensei when you're stuck in intermediate hell

>> No.18070614

>>18070491
>so why not enjoy Namasensei while you have the chance?
What is enjoyable about watching a dekinai because he's "funny"?

>> No.18070619

>>18070614
>What is fun about watching something that is fun?

>> No.18070632

「楽しいことは楽しいだから」つう訳は視点的なもんだコラァ

>> No.18070638

>>18070602
>I didn't say it just magically becomes perfect native level you sperge
I know you didn't say that, and you'll find, if you read my post, that I never accused you of doing so.

>I said it automatically begins to fix itself
No, you said it automatically fixes itself. There's no point in trying to lie and back-peddle when there's a written record showing exactly what you said.

>> No.18070670

>>18070638
You said that I implied it automatically becomes good with no practice when I didn't say anything about not practising

I said it automatically becomes good in the listening and speaking stages, obviously in these stages you're going to be practising listening and speaking (that's kind of the whole way that learning Japanese works), and then any incorrect pronunciations you may have had in the beginner stage will automatically fix themselves because you're constantly exposed to the correct pronunciations

I really don't know where I lost you

>> No.18070713

look anons im learning
今日
今週
今月
今年

>> No.18070735

>>18070713
(ノ´∀`)ノぉめでとぉ

>> No.18070805

Has anyone ever seen 明々後日 outside of Core?

>> No.18070818

>>18070805
いいえ

>> No.18070819

>>18070805
no, at least it's not in my mining deck

>> No.18070820

>>18070805
I think I actually have seen that once but I have no idea where

>> No.18070856

is there a way to add words to my mining deck on mobile? any app and shit?

>> No.18071014

>>18070856
>>18070856
you mean the anki app? are you serious? read the fucking manual?

Also akebi on android has anki integration that is serviceable.

>> No.18071029

>>18071014
i mean something like yomichan

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How far into Japanese will I get on the Namasensei course? I was thinking of going through it, then starting on a beginner's Japanese textbook or something.

>> No.18071483

>>18071450
>Namasensei
waste of time. read the OP

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>>18070396
>Kana is super easy
>It's super fucking hard
I might be retarded.

>> No.18071531

>>18071522
It's by far the easiest part of the language as well
Good luck

>> No.18071621

>>18071522
You'd better get a handle on how to learn symbols before you get to the real shit and quit. It is highly unlikely that there is anything wrong with you, only your method.

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