/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>18012291

This Japanese app sure likes to use obscure sentences to show simple kanji.

Fuck off with the normalfag op images.

Kansai-ben sucks.

>>18012327
It's all about Kyoto-ben

Happy Saturday evening - hope you reach your learning goals for today.

As someone who just started, I am doing Core 2K and Tae Kim Core 2k decks (the latter slower). Any other good beginner decks or is that already enough?

>>18012313
dont bully the op idiot

>>18012358
Kyoto-ben is a Kansai-ben and therefore sucks.

>>18012365

返事でもしたげへんねんで

I'm having a hard time figuring out what this shirt is saying. Can anyone help me out?

shirt is from rag and bone btw

>>18012394
are you trolling?
read it left to right without thinking of japanese grammar or anything.

>>18012407
RADO GUBO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN

>>18012394
If not trolling, it essentially says "Rag and Bone". it should be in katakana though.

>>18012394
>length mark is horizontal in vertical text
my sides

>>18012410

>>18012394
It's Rag and Bone in Hiragana
(らぐ)(あんど)(ぼーん)
Rag And Bone

Can someone help with understanding what 悶々 means, dictionaries translate it as "worrying endlessly" but it was translated as getting horny(?)

This is the whole line 私がエッチしてるとこ想像して悶々と… and it was translated as "You're getting horny just imagining me having sex"

>>18012423
AAANGSUIIISH

>>18012407
wow i'm dumb. was reading vertically

>>18012422
おにいちゃん

らぐ

ってなあに？

>>18012394
The only way this could get better is if it was a tattoo.

>>18012468
Knowing the brand, that shirt is close to $100 new.

>>18012463
らぐって「rag」だからこれみたいなものなんだよ

>>18012463
濡れ雑巾

>>18012240
Your big sis wants to move to the city to become a fashion model.
Your little sis is like a little growing beanstalk.
Having a daughter is bretty gud.

>>18012415
They prolly thought those weird squibbles look more exotic than angular characters.

>>18012423
In my experience it basically means worrying or fretting over something. It's often used in porn when people are horny to a tormenting degree. It pops up pretty often.

Does anyone (or DJT site?) have recs for books (not manga) that are good for beginners? There is a big Japanese bookstore where I live so I am sure they have something equivalent to yotsuba in terms of language level but like a regular book.

>>18012691
Kino no Tabi.

>>18012612
I was watching an LP where the player started cracking up after making a pun involving it

I think it has an erotic connotation in general; or at least I'd be hesitant to use it actual speech

>>18012691
manga has visual context and is far less dense than even an easy book

Is there a reason you don't want to read manga?

How do I get good at Japanese again? Haven't spoken it in 3years, so my speech is out the window and my reading getting worse.

I can still comfortably read toriba but that's about it.

I'm planning a complete english black out. For the next few months I'll be using only japanese websites and listening to japanese voices. to acheive this I'm planning the following things.

1. 24/7 japanese podcasts playing while I go about my life. Everything from science to society to economy and more

2. Reading Online Japanese magazines. Again, a lot of different websites from serious formal tones to comedic casual tones

3. Reading Japanese novels. A large amount of "syousetsuka ni narou!" garbage counter-weighted by serious works, mostly pre-war authors.

So what I want to ask help for is my final point which I don't know how to replace effectively.

4. A japanese subsitute for 4chan

I've tried 2channel and futaba but I honestly hate both of them for the most part and wanted to see if anybody knew of any relatively popular japanese forums where people write using relatively normal japanese language. Thank you for your help!

>>18012423
Consult native sources when in doubt.

https://www.weblio.jp/content/悶々とする
>悶々とするという表現は、性的欲求不満などの意味合いと絡めて用いられる場合もある

>>18012948
2ch is too diverse for "I hate it" to sound genuine at all

How long (and which boards) have you used to form that opinion?

>>18012971
I flipped through ten or so boards at random. I remember 大学生活、国際情勢、料理、アニメ,　負け組 and a few others I don't remember including one about living in the countryside and one about saying whatever you want.

I felt about as confused and lost as when I started browsing 4chan years ago except I was also struggling to read the language in addition to not understanding the local culture at all.

I just want something where people comment and discuss on things in japanese and do so in a mostly normal manner.

>>18012990
Lately I've been using https://dig.5ch.net/ to search very specific keywords related to my interests, such as authors.

>>18012948
This whole idea sounds gimmicky as fuck.

Most people don't need the equivalent of locking themselves into solitary to learn japanese. At best you'll probably learn 10% faster. At worst you'll have burned out and wasted your time.

It's also paradoxical; if you have the discipline to actually follow through with an invented boot-camp like this then why don't you have the discipline to learn japanese even when surrounded by english?

The english internet is not the reason you're not at your desired level.

>tfw To Love Ru is the perfect next step up from Yotsuba difficultywise
>tfw not horny when trying to learn Japanese

>>18013064
Well I thought I might as well give it a try at this point. I've got my N1 and received the news a few days ago that I got approved for the monbukagakusho scholarship I applied to back in june so I'm packing up my life and leaving at some point early next year.

But my actual Japanese skill, as in actually producing japanese via my mouth or writing it with a pen is so absolutely ridiculously low it's pathetic and depressing. I don't want to reach Japan having to express myself using kiddie grammar and I've got a lot of time to spare until my plane takes off so I'm just looking for solutions to this problem.

My actual reading skill is fine, I have trouble listening but it's not that bad. I'm just desperate to immerse myself before I actually have to forcibly immerse myself in japanese.

natives explanations are so good sometimes:
>「てめーも去年補習だったろーが 余裕ぶっこいてんじゃねーぞ」の意味としては、
>「おまえも去年、補習を受けたんだから、そんな余裕のあるような態度でいてはいけないぞ」「のんびりしている場合じゃないだろう」というような感じです。

>>18012612
>>18012954

Thanks a lot for clearing it up for me!

I'm reading Ley Line as my first VN and getting through it at a decent pace while enjoying it. Fairly easy language to understand. That having been said, I'm invested in the story and characters, and I know there are two more games in the trilogy. Since I'm assuming the two sequels are just as light in terms of difficulty, would I be gimping myself by reading them next? Or should I move onto something more challenging once I'm done with this, and come back to those two later? Thoughts?

>>18013108
If you head on to something more difficult, and its not particularly interesting, you always have the rest of leyline to look forward to
plus you will read it even easier
According to the stats page, the difficulty actually decreases through the rest

>>18013108
The sequels are actually a bit harder.

>>18013131
>>18013141
oops yeah disregard what I said, I read the stats page wrong
they do get harder

>>18013141
>>18013149
If they're a bit harder then I guess it's okay, huh? Well, maybe if I'm not burned out after this first one I'll try the sequels. It might be best to wait between them after all.

>>18013102
A better use of your time between now and then would be getting rid of your phobia of making mistakes (and eliminating your social anxiety, if you have any). You're a student foreigner, not a defective native. No one expects you to talk like a sports commentator. Hundreds of chinese and corean N1s flood into Japan every year and most of them can't speak for shit either.

Introverted hobbies like novels, magazines, and podcasts are a waste of your time, unless you're doing it out of a desperate desire for things to talk about (in which case it's too late to fix that). For speaking, if you don't have any native friends then do a 10 minute vlog every night in japanese describing what you did that day in japanese. You're N1 so you don't need anyone to check your grammar (though you will make mistakes). That'll help you get used to producing sounds that your mouth isn't used to.

>handwriting meme

Just relax dude. They're not going to deport you for talking like Daviddo-kun. Don't raise a bar for yourself that doesn't actually exist.

>>18012361
oh shit dawg get the kanji radicals deck, or the all in one kanji deck

>>18012106
I've been to less than 10 bookstores in my life but I think they're most commonly organized by publisher

once you go to the correct 男性向け or 女性向け section of course

>>18012312
You mean like how English dictionaries use ridiculously verbose and complicated explanations for simple words?

i wish lang-8 would open registrations. it's been closed for months and there probably aren't any other websites quite as good as that for japanese writing purposes

そうじきかけるから

おにいちゃん

へやかたして

How accurately do I have to pronounce Japanese phonemes in order to be understood as long as I get pitch accent right?
I.E., if I pronounce らりるれろ as the English R, ふ as a hard F, will I still be mostly understood, if with a strong American accent?

>>18013281
https://vocaroo.com/

I'm looking for a manga to read. My only hard requirements are:
- an interesting plot capable of holding one's interest for long periods (gives you the "I wanna know what happens next!" feeling)
- a relatively low difficulty level*
- has furigana

Anyone have any suggestions?


*Stuff like Ika Musume and ToLoveRu doesn't really give me any trouble, so I can probably manage something a little above them in terms of difficulty.

>>18013281
>will I still be mostly understood, if with a strong American accent?
Considering there is a significant number of idiots living in Japan who do this, you will probably be okay most of the time in this regard.
Don't do this.

>>18013281
さしすせそ

もきをつけてね

sa shi su se so だよ

sa si su se soだとびみょうにつうじないよ

>>18013293
>変質者
英語の利用者はラスボス
し->つがむり

>>18013290
Yotsubato

>>18013290
Out of curiosity, why is furigana a common requirement in suggestions?
I'm at a very low level and have limited experience, but I've found that I can't stop furigana from grabbing my eyes on words that I could read without them. In this regard it seems like a con, and that the extra work for every word you run into that you can't read the kanji of is worth it to avoid this for the words that you can. I suppose entry can be pretty slow if you don't know another word using each kanji, but handwriting recognition is pretty decent.
Is it for on the go reading, or is there another aspect I haven't considered?

>>18013308
Unrelated to your point what do you use for handwriting detection? I have Google Translate handwriting input but every time you lift your finger after a stroke it (shortly after) automatically hits the spacebar making it useless for kanji

>>18013281
What's the purpose of pronouncing ふ as ふっう again?

>>18013290
Dragon Ball

>>18013308
When you're just starting, keeping up with grammar alone can be tough. You probably shouldn't bee too concerned with memorizing words at that point. It can be a crutch later though.

>>18013308
if the furigana isn't outright annoying like seeing zalgo noise over text then you need it

>>18013305
いいにくいね

「しつ」はかなり

>>18013308
>I've found that I can't stop furigana from grabbing my eyes on words that I could read without them. In this regard it seems like a con
I don't see this as a problem since I add every new word into Anki and there's obviously no furigana there when the words come up in my reviews.

>and that the extra work for every word you run into that you can't read the kanji of is worth it to avoid this for the words that you can.
Because I don't view your con as a problem, from my perspective this extra work has no benefit.

>or is there another aspect I haven't considered?
My main concern is not having to draw words into Google Translate to look them up, but there is another reason: If something has furigana, it means it is intended (at least partially) for younger audiences (teens or younger). No furigana means it is intended for adult readers, which means the language is probably more difficult.

>>18013307
>interesting plot

>>18013314
I watched it shitloads as a kid on TV so I basically know everything that happens in the story already. Since I would always know the answer to the question "what happens next!?", I don't think it would hold my interest.

>>18013311
Did you mean Google Handwriting Input? I don't have that installed, but Google Translate's handwriting popup doesn't have that problem that for me. I've heard a lot of people say the downloadable input method is shitty compared to what is in Google Translate, no clue why.
>>18013325
I see your points, thanks.

>>18013308
You underestimate how many words Japanese (or any language) has.
You won't decipher the avalanche of new compounds just after reading over them once

>>18013331
Google Translate's. I've got an android phone maybe you have an iPhone and it's not a bag of dicks on that. Handwriting input's really fucked up as well for me and switches to voice input for no reason

>>18013330
If you watched it as a kid, unless you were watching bootleg fansub VHSes, you had all of the dialogue rewritten and shat over.
Unless you've seen Kai in which case nvm.

>>18013338
True, but having even the basic outline of the plot spoiled makes reading something significantly less interesting. If you already know generally where the story is going, then it takes all the tension away.

>>18013335
I was using it from my desktop. Just installed the app and I see your point, but if you hit the back arrow in the lower left it lets you continue drawing the previous kanji.

>>18013325
>No furigana means it is intended for adult readers
with some exceptions of course

furigana is not for looking up words

it makes it much easier to understand what new words mean Without having to look them up

>>18013353
If you're slow (which, for a hitherto unseen kanji lookup you will be) you have to hit that back button so many times it becomes too frustrating to bother with. It used to work like the desktop app I don't know why they can't just fix it.

>>18013356
whats with her hand

>>18013360
Most natives are capable of inferring what unfamiliar words mean from the kanji and context.

The furigana is there to let them read uninterrupted without stopping to wonder if 汚す should be read よごす or けがす when they're trying to enjoy a story, not take a mini kanji quiz

>>18013399
not kids

>>18013399
Yeah, try not to post made up bullshit next time, thanks.

so if my retention rate is 66% on anki i should lower the amount of new cards im receiving correct?
whats a number i should be aiming for? like 80%?

>>18012327
なんでやねん！

>>18013408
I don't know what part of my post triggered your bullshit alarm, but ok

I've seen two adult natives who couldn't read 悼む without furigana (うらむ、かなしむ were among the guesses) but both of them obviously knew what it meant

>>18013429
66 is pretty poor. You quickly forget a third of everything you are supposedly learning. Yes, should be 80+. Reduce the new cards until it's stabilized.

>>18013441
Manga with furigana are primarily for children who are still learning to read. Not adults. Dumbass.

Duolingo seems to have japanese now under beta, has anyone given it a try? I've been trying to use it to relearn some of the basics.

On the side, it's strange seeing that a lot seems to have changed in japanese from what I was taught, and actually retained, back when I was a kid. Like favoring the use of は over わ in most sentence structure, or the changing of 四 from し to よん,　七 from しち to なな.

>>18013447
Most people seem to believe that 70-80% is the sweet spot and higher than 80% is increasingly inefficient as well, based on a master's thesis from the 90s that supermemo cites. Can't tell you what that's worth.

>>18013454
I was talking about furigana in general

but you're not the only one who misunderstood me (>>18013407) so I'll take it as my fault

>>18013456
>Duolingo seems to have japanese now under beta, has anyone given it a try? I've been trying to use it to relearn some of the basics.
Incredibly basic and shit. Doesn't teach grammar. Just follow the DJT guide.
>On the side, it's strange seeing that a lot seems to have changed in japanese from what I was taught, and actually retained, back when I was a kid. Like favoring the use of は over わ in most sentence structure, or the changing of 四 from し to よん,　七 from しち to なな.
Are you joking right now? You'd rather assume the Japanese language has changed in a couple years, rather than that you had lacking knowledge?

>>18013456
It sucks.
The only languages Duolingo should be used for are incredibly basic ones that have piss easy grammar to get a grasp on, so basically only Spanish and Esperanto.
At least it's not $200 like Rosetta Stone though.

>>18013290
Read pokemon it's fucking awesome and written for kids

I am having trouble with the last bubble here. Is he basically saying that his work finally got to be the first nominee for a manga prize? I am particularly confused by use of 残る.

>>18013472
Pretty sure it's the same shitposter who posts about duolingo in every thread

>>18013490
最終候補
check this word again

>>18013484
Are you referring to ポケットモンスターSPECIAL?

>>18013456
In addition to what others have said, the time taken to translate sentences versus the benefit it gives is a really shitty trade-off. In addition to a general consensus that practice through forcibly translating sentences as if all Japanese vocab has a one-to-one correspondence, you could go through 10 cards in anki in the time it takes to type out one sentence.
They also do really weird shit, like pointlessly avoiding the most basic kanji that they have already introduced to you (translate に and さん to two and three).
I'm not going to look up history, but I can guarantee that your examples have been in use for well over thirty years. Also, the numbers haven't changed, different readings are preferred in different places.

>>18013500
うん
It's fun and you get to practice seeing how a super badass 10 year old speaks. You can then try it out on nip 3dpd gyarus for the laughs.

>>18013495
So I guess this means final candidate as in "last candiate to be accepted". I was making weird connection and thought final/last was referring to his work being the last candidate remaining -> winner.

>>18013507
Alright, I'll give it a look. Thanks.

>>18013472
>>18013502
Well, the japanese I learned when I was a kid was over twenty years ago, so I suppose my teacher at the time hadn't picked up on the more modern changes.

>>18013480
>>18013472
And I see what you mean about duolingo. I'll look into the DJT guide.

Why do you guys dislike all resources? I'm not referring to the little duolingo discussion you just had but in general whenever I ask about X resource you just say stick to the holy trinity of reading-anime-flashcards(anki) as if I don't already use those things. Not complaining I genuinely want to know why you think kanzen master/tobira/audio Japanese (or whatever it's called) wouldn't help you out once you're passed the grammar guide point and have moved on to content.

>>18013587
Not just those 3 things either, I was just making an example.

>>18013587
I don't think anyone would outright recommend against using resources like Tobira or JLPT books, most people here just prefer to acquire intermediate and advanced grammar knowledge passively.

>>18013587
Too many resources beyond a certain point doesn't help anymore.

>>18012291
Rescued some stuff from other anons.
https://files.catbox.moe/jtnku1.webm
https://files.catbox.moe/imt99y.webm

Keep at it boys, if you got time to be reading this you got time to go back to study and consume.

こんどいつにほんくる？

どこいく？

>>18013644
FMP is shit.

>>18013644
What is that second webm anime?

>>18013735
Full Metal Panic. And don't listen to the shit eater in the post above yours, it rules.

>>18013735
>>18013691

>>18013741
fumoffu should get some kind of immortalization for mankinds greatest works

I'm reading thru Tae Kim & he does say not to put too much thought into は vs. が, but I just wanted to make 1 thing clear, maybe I'm wrong


スミスさんは、忙しい。
As for Smith-san, busy.
スミスさんが忙しい。
Smith-san is the one that is busy.

Can it be said that both these sentences can mean the same thing, but が emphasises things? Kinda like regular sentence vs. one with よ！ at the end?

>>18013815
You should infer the finer details of は/が from reading, not textbooks

>>18013815
This is the article people usually link when this question comes up.
https://8020japanese.com/wa-vs-ga/
Give it a read, even though it's long.

>>18013507
>>18013484
Any idea where to find decent scans of volumes 44 through 53?

I found some for 44 through 52, but they're scans-for-ants tier (pic related). I can't find anything for volume 53.

It's weird because all the scans up to volume 43 are really good quality and easily available.

>>18013846
>really good quality
Actually, looking through some more, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but they are all at least decent quality/resolution.

>>18013815
Some guy went full autism some threads back debunking some of the crap in Tae Kim's guide. I'm sure he covered the は/が stuff. It'll be in one of these posts:
>>17415655
>>17415661
>>17415664
>>17415667

>>18013855
b--but I already paid for the printed version...

>>18013855
That may be the case, but there's no such thing as a perfect beginner's guide.

>>18013855
Tae Kim's not strictly correct but it works well enough. I didn't like those parts of his grammar guide because it tries to communicate via English grammar analogues. I don't know any of the terminology relating to English grammar so I might as well stick to Japanese grammar terminology.

おにいちゃんおなかすいた

シチューつくりすぎたんだけど

べつにたべてほしかったわけじゃないんだからね

Do I NEED Tae Kim if I just plan on grinding out core 6k for awhile then go straight to reading?

>>18013102
What are you studying on the 文部科学省? Do you want to work in japan?

>>18013988
Of course not, Japanese about reading isolated words grammatical relation to one another after all.

>>18013988
yeah because the grammar is gonna trip you up hard and just knowing 6000 newspaper words isn't gonna help if you're going to read manga/novels

>>18013988
Think of all the grammar guides as wikis. You don't necessarily need to read any of them and you can probably pick up a few things from all the sentence examples in core2k/6k, but you probably won't really know enough. Tae Kim doesn't take too long to read/skim through anyway. Like a month at best if you actually immerse yourself through the whole thing. 1 week sounds more likely.

There's also this.
http://nihongo.monash.edu/kanaqadgtj.html
Though sometimes they use their/they're/there wrong and its a little triggering.

>>18013988
If tae kim is too long to hold your attention, at least blow through sakubi. It's not perfect, but it's way better than trying to read without any grammar knowledge at all. Also, you should start reading way before 6k words. If all you do is grind vocab, you'll burn out at worst and fail to gain confidence to actually read stuff at best.

>>18012291
Why doesn't cornycopia have To Love-Ru Darkness?

>>18014030
>>18014014
My main problem is that I've never actually studied English grammar, seeing as I've never felt a particularly strong need to, I feel perfectly confident that I have a solid grasp on English grammar. As a result, I'm more or less functionally illiterate when it comes to the technical terms regarding sentence structure, so esoteric dissections of grammar make basically no sense. It's not that Tae Kim can't hold my attention, it just doesn't make sense half the time and I still have no fucking clue how は, が, に, and へ work.

>おまえに捕まえられんのか？
Why is this being posed as a question? If he's mocking her saying that the pokemon won't be caught, then shouldn't the ending be 「のよ」 or just 「よ」?

What's the specific purpose of 出来る vs potential conjugations? What does 出来られる mean?

>>18014080
>出来る vs potential conjugations
出来る is the potential of する.
>What does 出来られる mean
"can be done" as opposed to merely "can do X".

>>18014084
So why do you use 出来る with non-する verbs, or can verbs be する'd as well?

>>18014080
できられるはいわないよ

>>18014102
出来られるは言わないよ

>>18014116
できられるはいわないけど

でぎられるはいうかもしれない

出切られるだね

>>18014060
Learning another language can teach you about your native language. At any rate, go read sakubi's guide. It'll let you get your feet wet faster.

>>18014142
>sakubi's guide
it's just called sakubi reeee it's the name of the guide not the creators reeee

>>18014060
If you don't understand a term, just look it up in a dictionary or google it if you need a more detailed explanation.

Tae Kim wasn't born knowing what all these terms meant either. He didn't know them at some point, so he looked them up and learned them.

You're talking as if there aren't tons of resources about this stuff available on the internet for free.

>>18014120
出切られるは言うだぞ
「できられるはいわないよ」が明白の虚偽

>>18014152
>Sakubi, Yesterday's guide
>Sakubi means yesterday
I see nothing wrong with Sakubi's guide

I never skip anki reps, but since I hit 10k words I can never be bothered to do any more. I really wanna go for 20k but its such a chore

>>18014252
Just read books and stop humblebragging

>>18014165
あのんのあたまにはポップコーンでもつまってるの

For early reading practice is it better to sit there and look up every single word I don't know, or just try to absorb as much as possible through context and reinforce the words I actually do know even if I miss some stuff?

Tried the former strategy a few times but it feels a bit exhausting after a while, to the point where I'd rather just go back and do more flash cards or something.

>>18014070
捕まえられる, not 捕まえられない

>>18014326
Both have their pros and cons. Learning words is important. On the other hand most individual words are unimportant.

I'd say just do whatever doesn't make you want to quit. Sometimes I have the energy to pick up a pad to write down words to look up later. Other times I just keep reading.

>>18014326
Make sure you're studying smarter, not harder. There are a lot of lookup methods that are simple and fast, like text hookers and ocr and jisho. What're you reading? Manga?

>>18014217
>昨日, meaning "yesterday", is normally read as きのう, not さくび. But since it's this guide's name, it can have a reading different than the normal word spelled the same way. Watch out for reading variation when you start reading, or you'll be super confused.

>>18014435
I was trying some moege with a text hooker, but even if lookup was relatively fast I still felt like I was spending more time looking at my text hooker and hovering over words than I was actually looking at the game, and it took me like 30 minutes just to get through some relatively short dialogue with little actually happening, just kind of feels discouraging after a while.

Maybe I'm just a bit too early for this kind of reading but still think it might have been better if I'd just stumbled through it and not worried so much about 100% comprehending every single line.

おにいちゃん

いっしょにねよ

A character has received a really nice gift and he's not sure if he should take it, then he says "俺お前時何もしてなくね！？". Would the English equivalent be something like "I've done nothing to deserve it from you"? I'm thrown off by the use of 時 and the question mark at the end.

>>18014633
いやだ
妹さん寝返りしすぎる

>>18012291
揃！貴様がついていながら
このありさまは何だ！

>Soroi! How could you stand there and allow this to happen?!

i dont get anything about this. exept:
ありさま
state, condition

>>18012291
>cornucopia

How long did it take you guys to fully memorize all the kanji?

>>18014870
Define "fully memorize" and define "all the kanji"

>>18014738
lit.: What is this state even though you are attached to (whatever the state applies to)?
-> What is this state even though you are here next to the state?
-> What is going on here even though you are here?
-> Why did this happen even though you are here?
-> How could you stand there and allow this to happen?
-> What the fuck are you doing, Soroi, you fucking asshole

>>18014870
this is the definie and universonal correct answer to your question:
>You can’t “learn” Kanji!!
>http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2014/06/23/you-cant-learn-kanji/

Decided today to try again after having abandoned my studies for around 7 months after I'd learned 2500 or so words. Hopefully getting back to where I was won't take too long...

>>18014637
"に"を "じ(時)"に typoしたとか？

>>18014949
It turns out that there was a small typo, sorry. The full sentence (triple-checked this time) is "俺お前ん時何もしてなくね！？". I'm an idiot though because I've seen ん shortened down plenty of times when reading and, after looking at my notes, I'm not sure which is the most applicable here.

>>18014870
I'll tell you when I pass 漢検1級

>>18014870
You think you can LEARN ALL the Kanji?

>>18014382
I thought ん at the end of a masu stem was always a negative?

So he's saying then "Can it be caught by you?".

>>18014886
>>18014904
>>18015082
>>18015219
lolitrollu

>>18015675
>merely pretending

When you guys read manga, which one do you guys use?
I go back and forth a lot, depending on scan quality.

>>18015655
you're right about it being negative

please don't take my translations literally, it's just how I understand the phrasing
I'm assuming it's something like a rhetorical question along the lines of "you can't catch it, you know" or "isn't it (the case) that it can't be catched by you"

>>18015694
So long as the scan isn't so ridiculously huge that it takes up all my screen space leaving no space for my browser window, I leave the scans at their original res.

Otherwise, I fit to width.

How stuffy am I going to sound if I read 良い as よい instead of いい?

>>18015747
it's meant to be read this way,otherwise you would just write いい in the first place

>>18015767
I thought it was like わた（く）し.

I know there are several options presented in the guide, but is there a preferred way to learn via mnemonics? All three methods seem radically different, and as a first-timer I don't want to devote a lot of time to one that won't do me any good.

Which method do you guys prefer?

>>18015767
t. moron
It can be read either way, >>18015777 is right.

Has anyone ever tried Macha? What's it taste like?

>>18015828
Very strong, but good.

>>18015782
Also, the guide mentions 'looking up words'. What is the best way to do that if you can't copy/paste the words you're using (i.e. on a PDF or something)?

>>18015795
yes, you can read them as both, but using kanji is more formal and よい is literary language anyway
what I said wasn't completely right, but it's also wrong to act like as if they are competely interchangeable

you write いい mostly with hiragana only

>>18015857
If it's an unfamiliar Kanji, use KanjiTomo.

If it's Hiragana/Katakana, download a Japanese keyboard (I use Google IME), type it out in a Word document and paste it somewhere.

Does WaniKani have anything for Hiragana and Katakana? I've memorized most of them, but I'm worried about slipping if I'm not careful.

Finding the next thing I want to read is the hardest part of learning.

Anyone have experience with bunpro?

>>18015863
Dr. Mochi does.

>>18015892
err, moku

Can anyone comment on how difficult Dragon Ball or another shounen might be coming from Yotsuba vols. 1 and 2?

>>18015912
Not sure about Dragon Ball, but Boku no Hero Academia gave me a really fucking hard time.

>>18015912
Just download the first volume and read a chapter or two for yourself.

I think most people here read VNs. There's not much in the way of discussion about manga (besides the usual suspects - Yotsuba, Ika Musume and To LoveRU) unfortunately.

>>18015858
Original asker here. I probably should have clarified. I realize that, since it's a word that's mostly just written with kana anyway, using kanji is probably an indication of formality. What I really want to know is exactly how formal the よい version of that word is compared to the いい version.

Under what circumstances would I pronounce the word that, in kanji, is written 良い, as いい, and under what circumstances would I pronounce it as よい? I'm asking in terms of spoken Japanese, not written Japanese read aloud (I probably shouldn't have phrased it the way I did; spoken and written Japanese are different; Eye'm a baka.)

>>18015858
>literary language
I don't like this term. A great deal of this "literary" speech comes up in spoken Japanese as well. Sure, it might be more common in writing, but the name makes it sound like it isn't ever used and can't be used in speech, when that's clearly not the case.

>>18015870
What have you read so far?

>>18016027
よい is for edgelords and old people. 好きにしろ。

>>18016027
well basically this >>18016050
you just imagine it's a fedora, either be old or you better have good reason to wear it

>>18016045
In no particular order:
13 volumes of Yotsuba
1 volume of Hero Academia
3 volumes of Flying Witch
1 volume of Mitsudomoe (absolute shit by the way)
4 volumes of Mitsuboshi Colors
6 volumes of Aku no Hana
1 volume of Made in Abyss (want to continue reading this but there are way too many words I don't know)
2 volumes of Mahoutsukai no Yome
1 volume of Tsugumomo
1 volume of Tonari no Kaibutsu-kun
4 volumes of Girls Last Tour
and a bunch of random internet shit

>>18016050
>>18016055
When I first heard it it sounded pretty dialectal to me. Is that an accurate assumption?

x>>18016084
>1 volume of Mitsudomoe (absolute shit by the way)
strong agree

>>18016092
いい is basically an abbreviation of よい. It's easier to say. It was よい originally, that's why shit like よかった, よくない or かっこよかった still use the original form. People started doing it, because it's easier. Just like reading 行く as ゆく, people did it this way a shitload of years ago, but you will sound pretentious as fuck doing it. Not saying it's bad, it's just a consequence. If you want to ironically sound edgy for an emphasis or something, go right ahead.

>>18016084
this made me curious so I started counting, so far I've read 121 volumes of manga

>>18016111
Mine idea exactly.

>>18016084
which of these were easiest for you, beside yotsuba?

>>18016133
I see what thou didst there.

>>18016164
Thine accuracy impresseth me, lord.

>>18016152
Without a doubt Aku no Hana and Flying Witch. Those two gave me no trouble whatsoever. Stay the fuck away from Tsugumomo unless you're familiar with esoteric Japanese spiritual and mythological concepts.

>>18016131
How long have you been studying Japanese?

I'm not fully grasping what 新しいプレイ means in this context. Is it something to do with the UFO catcher? Is it a joke about how プレイ can also be sexual, thus the other person's strong reaction telling him he's wrong? I tried Googling the phrase and it's just giving me thinks like new playlist, new play style and new gameplay.

>>18016175
theoretically +6years but with months of procrastinating in between (university and shit) and I didn' take it seriously for the first year

>>18016173
Dost though take me for a common, unlearned knave?

>>18016199
I rightly do, for thou art the most ignorant of swine and the height of foolery.

>>18016199
So close. And yet so far.

>>18016213
>>18016214
>though
A pox on this phone.

>>18016218
Even ignoring that.

Also, upon.

>>18016218
A serf of poor faculties dost often blameth his tools.

>>18016246
>dost
wrong

Do I need to learn English before I can learn Japanese? It seems like all the good resources are in English and I still can't understand more than a word or two of that without the aid of machine translation. I feel like a lot of information will be lost if I read grammar guides that way.

>>18016183
It's probably the sexual connotation, some kind of bdsm shit yanno

>>18016253
what's your mother tongue?

>>18016253
what? your post contains zero English errors.

>>18016269
>of that
pronoun context error
That's the only error their post has though.

>>18016249
Fellate mine member.

>>18016280
>mine member
also wrong

>>18016283
Thou art an uppity peasant, art thou not?

good japanese talk

>>18016339
Welcome to /dæt/.

>>18016213
>>18016222
A knave is a man of common birth. An unlearned man is a man who is not learned. Pray tell where I am in error.

>upon
>"A plauge o' both your houses!"

>>18016246
>a serf dost
>not "a serf doth"
>dost ... blameth
>not "dost... blame"

>>18016280
>>18016297
Cease thy posting.

>>18016339
誠に申し訳御座いませんでした。
然して和語だけに就いて話すんで御座います。

Is the DJT method really the best method of learning Japanese? It seems that it would skew the learner toward reading way more than they could listen or speak. Maybe a comprehensive textbook would be better? I just don't want to go down the wrong path.

>>18016796
"Textbooks are bad" is literally the most important part of the DJT mantra. If you don't understand that, you don't understand what the "DJT method" is.

>>18012291
A card from Core 2k: レストランは空いています

I'm just starting out, but I was under the impression that いる was used to describe living things. Why is it being used with レストラン？

おはようおにいちゃん

せかいがへいわでありますように

>haven't read in 3 days
>can actively feel motivation dropping daily
what should I do to counteract this?

>>18012291
How good would one have to be at Japanese to play Persona 5 日本語で and have a good time?

>>18016816
Read a grammar guide.

>>18016837
Pretty good

>>18016809
I understand that. I'm just questioning the method generally.

>>18016837
A year or two of reading at minimum.

>>18015782
Please respond

>>18016823
think of all the regrets you have in life and decide that learning japanese isnt going to be one of them
then just raed out of sheer discipline even if you dont really like it
or just spend your time doing jackshit

>>18016823
keep blogging about your failures in life like something gives a flying fuckeroni

>>18014659
ねがえりはおおめにみてね

>>18016849
You're not being skeptical, you're being cynical. Find something specific to question before asking people to explain why it's believed.

>>18016848
>>18016854
I took the N2 a week ago and I felt like I got about 80% of the questions right. My biggest concern is that all the fantasy words and whatnot could be overwhelming, since I haven't read anything of similar subject matter, but would it become more manageable if I made a mining deck for those sorts of words?

>>18016796
>Is the DJT method really the best method of learning Japanese?
Anyone who claims a method is "the best" should be promptly ignored. There is no scientific study that has proven "the best" method for learning anything. We can only offer studies showing that some methods appear to produce better results than others according to the measured criteria, and many more anecdotes.
>>18016796
>It seems that it would skew the learner toward reading way more than they could listen or speak.
My stance, which is not unique but not widespread, is that a focus on forced production riddled with mistakes does you no good, and no native is going to call you on all of your mistakes. It's better to focus on input produced by natives for a very long time than to push yourself to generate new language that may or may not sound stiff and unnatural. As for listening, you should definitely do so, but a slant towards reading probably has to do with it being easier to find a variety of vocabulary and grammatical structures written than spoken, and with the interests of people who post here. You should probably do both.
>I just don't want to go down the wrong path.
Everyone goes down the wrong path to some extent, on account of my first point. What you should be focused on (but not to an extent that hinders your ability to commit to what you've started) is identifying weak points and wondering if you can alter your strategy to work on them.

>>18016884
>would it become more manageable if I made a mining deck for those sorts of words?
Well I don't know, would studying help your Japanese? I don't think anyone has tried this before

>>18016823
>read everyday for the past three days
>didn't mine a single word

>>18016901
point taken. I guess I'll just go for it, the biggest upside to this is that playing it in Japanese is the only way I could continue to play it after the break, I had to shelve it (non-Japanese video games in general) entirely this past semester in order to study for the JLPT so if I were to start it again in English I'd just be setting myself up for the same thing to happen again.

>>18016497
áciere

>>18016796
>that it would skew the learner toward reading way more than they could listen or speak.
You can take reading slower and see far more progress. Even the slow news NHK radio reports are blazing fast for a beginner.
Once people have accomplished something, they are less likely to stop.
Speaking is pointless unless you plan to move there(int people might, not here).

>>18017030
>Speaking is pointless unless you plan to move there(int people might, not here).
Though I agree that you should not focus on speech when you are still learning to listen and read, that's a rather narrow-minded claim. There are more reasons than immigration to learn to speak, and there are thousands of immigrants doing just fine without learning to speak.

>>18017062
>There are more reasons than immigration to learn to speak
Please, do elaborate on them. I'm already chair popcorn

>>18017072
Here's a mouthful of popcorn for you: socialization. Has nothing to do with moving there, but I know the thought hurts you.

>>18017082
Of course it hurts me, I'm an introvert and that drains energy rapidly.
Why would you want me to hurt?

>>18017092
I don't expect this to be taken well, but introversion/extroversion is a meme. How well you take situations that are associated with either is a skill to build. You get lonely fast if you aren't used to being alone, you get drained fast if you aren't used to interaction. Unfortunately, it's rarely questioned because it's self-reinforcing, "oh I guess I'm not that type of person so I'll continue to avoid that unpleasantness."

>>18017114
And what if I have a mental illness

>>18017082
You don't have to become a stereotypical /jp/ otaku, but atleast try to fit in somewhat if you just came from the /int/ general

>>18017030
>>18017062
>>18017072
>>18017082
as someone who is planning on moving to Japan and is learning Japanese so I can settle in better once I get there, is there any way I can improve my speaking/listening currently? i'm only 2000 words into core and I haven't begun mining yet, so I feel like my vocabulary is too small to actually have conversation with japanese everyday to improve

>>18017114
You're assuming I haven't tried. I know how much better off extroverts lives are, they form connections, network and find jobs, live longer lives. They are raised up by their peers to positions of great responsibility and status. Who wouldn't want that? My father is like this.

I read about people, how best to befriend them, how to shut up about I me and my, only focus on you, and I have zero problems interacting with new people.
It just drains me like a fucking sieve, and it doesn't get 'better' the more I do it.

>>18017142
If that's really your vocabulary, you're more than well enough equipped to go start talking and writing to natives on iTalki.

Anyone know where to find a plain text list of the jouyou kanji sorted by school year?

I found this which is almost exactly what I'm looking for but it's out of date (doesn't contain the changes following the 2010 revision):
http://nihongo.monash.edu/jouyoukanji.html

(preferably from some sort of authoritative source, such as a Japanese government website, so as to reduce the chance of it containing errors)

>>18017188
As far as I know, the highschool grades aren't sorted by year anymore.

>>18017143
just do what i do

and be so magnetic that people cant help but gravitate toward you

and get pulled into your 流

as a byproduct of just doing what you wanna do

>>18017176
i don't really want to pay that much money honestly

I guess I'll stop trying to remember how to write kanji and just memorize what they mean.
trying to remember how to write them is holding me down for more than a year desu

>>18017207
糞の凡人野郎
死ね

>>18017225
Or you could finally read the guide.

>>18017201
There are specific kanji which are supposed to be learned in each year of 小学校 (for a total of 1006 kanji), then the remaining 1130 jouyou are just supposed to be learned some time between 小学校 and the end of compulsory education (in other words, during 中学校).

Basically, the exact thing I'm looking for is an up-to-date, plain-text list of the 常用漢字 with all the 教育漢字 learned in 小学校 removed from it.

>>18017222
Find a Japanese friend online

>>18017232
that doesn't make any difference

>>18017228
落ち着けよ兄ちゃん

そんな顔しないでよ

>>18017222
Use HelloTalk if you have a phone or tablet.

>>18017256
How would you know if you've never read it?

>>18017128
If you have a mental illness, you may already be aware that you fall outside of idiotic MBTI classifications, so I'm not speaking about you.
>>18017131
I did not come from the /int/ general, and would have responded differently to a different post.
>>18017143
I would suspect you've made more progress than you recognize and may be disappointed that the change is not more significant. Depending on the types of situations you are putting yourself into you may be putting too much effort in into doing "the right thing" rather than taking it easy and getting better naturally, which is inherently exhausting. If the situation is obnoxiously formal, you probably don't have the option to take it easy, however.
On the other hand, you are outside of the group I was really intending to comment on but did communicate very well, those who DO have problems interacting with new people, with awkwardness and silence that is unpleasant and discourages them from continuing in the future.

>>18017266
how would you know if I've never read it?

>>18017266
you dont have to just check out the threads themselves to see that whatever is in the op helps no one lol

>>18017225
Specifically what are you struggling with in writing? One-stroke mistakes? Have you made a list of your biggest leeches and put extra effort into them? With it taking more than a year, I assume you are doing vocab simultaneously?

>>18017275
looool i thought u were kidding but u are right
nothing in the op helps anyone actually lul

>>18017275
Your mistake is assuming that those people read the OP.

>>18017282
I am lazy and I don't like having to check jjisho.org up every time I have to write a kanji.
but I really wanted to learn how to write the words I know before learning new words.
so I just did nothing for a year.

>>18017315
If you are talking about being able to recall and write all jouyou kanji with correct stroke order, it really should not take a year from scratch, let alone a year on top of existing progress. You didn't explain your approach, but you seem to have done something strange.

>>18016823
WEAK

>>18017188
Not exactly plain text but:
http://www.kanken.or.jp/kanken/outline/data/outline_degree_national_list.pdf
I'm fairly sure you can still copy-paste them.

>>18016863
>>18016866
>>18017376
alright, i'll read...
at least I didn't stop doing anki, it's too much of a habit to stop

>>18017393
That works. Thanks!

>彼の家はとても広い
Why use は instead of が?

>>18017603
Because the speaker is introducing that guy's house as the topic.

>>18017618
Oh. Thank you

おごそか
おろそか
たまさか
All the same suffix:
たまさかの「さか」は、「おろそか（疎か）」や「おごそか（厳か）」の「そか」と同系で、状態を表す接尾語と思われる。 接尾語「そか」は、その前の音が「Ｏ（母音）」なので接尾語も「Ｏ（そ）」になり、たまさかの「さか」は、前の音が「Ａ（母音）」なので「Ａ（さ）」になったのであろう。

>>18017654
Also s*か: 聊か, 密か, 吝か, 微か, 確か

I made a modified version of the kanji grid add-on if anyone is interested:
>Global deck selection is undone.
>Links now point at Jisho.org
>Default search field is now "expression"
>Font is now TakaoPGothic (https://launchpad.net/takao-fonts))
>Did what this guy said: >>17952252
>"JLPT Order" is now "Kyouiku Order" (and actually works).
>Kyouiku Order is now the default order.
>Titles in Kyouiku Order have been edited reflect school years for the Jōyō kanji. Other titles were edited for consistency.
>Merged the 2010 section into the Chūgakkō section.
>Completely replaced all kanji data under Kyouiku Order (it apparently contained some errors before). All Shōgakkō and Jinmeiyō data is pulled from Japanese Wikipedia. Chūgakkō data is pulled from the Kanji Kentei website (http://www.kanken.or.jp/kanken/outline/data/outline_degree_national_list.pdf).).

I can't be bothered to make an account on AnkiWeb so here's a pastebin of the code instead:
https://pastebin.com/MZQVMfkr
Just download an existing version of kanji grid from AnkiWeb, go to your add-on folder, open the kanji grid python (.py) file in a text editor, then replace the contents with the contents of the pastebin.

Disclaimer: These modifications were made via trial and error. I don't know anything about coding and take no responsibility should this somehow melt or otherwise harm your computer. Use at your own peril.

>>18017343
He didn't do anything at all, just came here to shitpost.

>>18012291
I just noticed the open radical in 開 looks like a torii.
That's pretty cool

>>18017813
yeah thats right, unfortunately

>>18017974
>the open radical

Some anons in the last thread were talking about manga reading speed, so I got curious decided to run some tests. Here are the results. No word lookups for any of them. * = furigana

あずまんが大王 - 25.3 seconds per page
ラブひな* - 23.7 seconds per page
https://exhentai.org/g/1020861/ee9e86a8a3/ - 15.6 seconds per page
がっこうぐらし - 13.1 seconds per page
北斗の拳* - 12.4 seconds per page
https://exhentai.org/g/1129456/96146628b6/ - 7.5 seconds per page

Only the first two felt actually satisfying to read. The others felt like I was not appreciating the art enough. Each to their own, though.

Is it weird that when i'm reading, I just feel like i'm taking the words and plugging them through yomichan, and not actually learning them? I am mining popular words I don't know, but i've only just started and it feels like i'm not learning much

J don't think I can learn Japanese

>>18018280
if you come across a word in english that you dont know, and look it up in a dictionary to find out the meaning, is that learning or 'cheating'?

>>18018319
well its more like it doesn't feel like i'm actually learning since i'm having to use it so often

Why don't we compile a DJT guide to slang/colloquial speech? We could have it linked on the neocities page or something.

Doesn't have to be in-depth or anything, could literally just be a list of common slang/colloquial contractions and what they mean. Like:
>[masu stem]たけりゃ = [masu stem]たければ (たい-form conjugated for the ば conditional)
that sort of thing.

Slang is probably one of the biggest things that trips people up when they first try to start reading and scares them back off to their textbooks. If we could make something like this, I think it would be tremendously helpful.

>>18018280
New words don't stick very well for me just looking them up with a pop-up dictionary, but it doesn't matter because I have Anki. You're at least improving your grammar and reinforcing whatever words you already know.

>>18006596
you make it sound like you are programmaticaly making anki cards, can you elaborate? I'm deducing something like you are reading, copying new words/sentences to a text file, then mass importing them to anki with some auto duplicate checker that will determine weather the vocab already exists or not, then giving you a result based on how many new words you mined.

can this be elaborated on?

>>18018449
>then mass importing them to anki with some auto duplicate checker that will determine weather the vocab already exists or not, then giving you a result based on how many new words you mined.
Importing a text file to anki already does this based on the primary field.

>>18018455
so I should start mining into a text file using the manual for guidelines, setting it up to match my card's fields, then importing this same text file each day. gotcha.

https://apps.ankiweb.net/docs/manual.html#importing-text-files

>>18017315
You are retarded. I can write over 2350 Kanji and am 5500 into Anki with just over 11 months of studying while being occupied full time.

>>18018323
Of course you are, you're learning japanese. Keep reading and the amount of times you do it decrease, so long as anki continues.
I know from experience.

>>18018597
Wow :o and I was on the moon ;)

>>18018377
I'd definitely be willing to contribute.

>>18018608
Please state your problem clearly.

>>18018593
You could do that. I have a giant queue file and cut x words a day into a separate file (that I overwrite) and import that. Mostly to be able to go over the words I'm adding real quick before I start Anki, but there's no real reason for overwriting the file instead of building it up. I might export my current vocab and switch to doing that because I hate editing existing cards within Anki's browser.

>>18018608
Are you calling bullshit on someone doing an average of about 8 kanji and 16 vocab cards a day? That's a pretty average number.

Anyway to listen to

http://www.nhk.or.jp/radio/player/?ch=r1

Without a VPN?

>>18018323
Depending on how many cards you add to Anki, you will notice in a month that you are spending more time reading than mining words.

>>18018727
I tried to find a way to get the various radio stations from various Japanese broadcasters to work a while back but I never managed it.

You can access some radios though (just not NHK, TBS, etc.):
https://djtguide.neocities.org/resource%20guide.html#Listening%20Production

>>18018800
Thanks for the response. I can use my VPN to do it, but would prefer not to.

>>18018806
>I can use my VPN to do it, but would prefer not to.

why not?

>>18018817
his vpn is shy of other countries

>>18012363
Fuck off cancer.

Alright I was a fun of Heisig for the first 300 or so Kanji, but this is just getting stupider and stupider

>>18019368
>RTK

>>18019368
It's impossible to avoid forcing for all of them. When something is stupid enough that you think you can come up with something better for yourself, do it. In his defense, it's likely many people will find your alternative stupid too, from their perspective. And on the other hand, it's hard to imagine you could do worse than some of his.

>>18019368
What an enormous waste of time when you have to learn words anyway..

>>18019411
associating an extra bit of info with something youve already memorized is a lot easier

>>18019411
Do you remember how the kanji for gallbladder or nitrate look like? Because I do.

>>18019455
I don't think I care what you know mate

おはようおにいちゃん

>>18019368
じっさいのにほんにはヨシとツチヨシがあるよ

うえがつちなのがツチヨシだよ

日本語は難しい。。。

Do you guys change up the fonts you use when you review, or just use the same one every time?

>>18019626
独語は学ぼとして

>>18019639
Serif fonts are proven to reduce reading fatigue and increase comprehension, so I always use IPAPMincho.

つちよしは

アジアでもにほんでしか

つかわないらしくて

ここすうねんでつくられたコンピューターなら

たいおうコードがはいってるかもしれないって

コードは２０ｂｂ７ってかいてあるよ
https://nichijou-gimon-ji.com/archives/374.html

>>18019662
>proven to reduce reading fatigue and increase comprehension
Try a different word than proven there.

>>18019662
I just get worried that if I use the same font every time I'm gonna wind up not recognizing the kanji when it's in a different font, so I've been using a randomizer with a bunch of different ones for a while

𠮷吉𠮷吉𠮷吉吉𠮷吉𠮷吉𠮷吉𠮷

>>18014999
Bumping this because it's still weird.

learning japanese isn't hard. BABIES can speak Japanese

>>18020056

I can defeat ANY number of babies in hand to hand combat, knowing a little Japanese isn't the end all be all of life

>>18019774
>so I've been using a randomizer with a bunch of different ones for a while
How do you do that?

>>18019774
be wary of which fonts you use:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/assets/res/fonts.png

not all display characters correctly

>>18019785
凶

>>18020114
those smaller "・" characters are missing largely because they're not part of the "normal" set of Chinese characters in Unicode. due to Unicode normalization you probably won't see them used in digital text anyway (for 𠮟・叱, most IMEs only give you the latter anyway), and I don't think it's a major concern.

missing jouyou kanji is definitely more problematic though

>>18017395
Good job anon

かんたんなにほんごはかんたんで

むずかしいにほんほはむずかしい

むずかしいにほんごはにほんじんでもむずかしいから

あのんはかんたんなにほんごを

できるようになってね

かなだけで書いてある日本語は簡単ではないよ

Well, do you jp?

>>18020256
>むずかしいにほんごはにほんじんでもむずかしいから
死語とか若者の...独創的な言葉？

>>18020401
>mac
いや, 笑止千万

>>18020403
わざと

はやくよめないように

むずかしいことばで

かきかえてあったり

ちいさなじとか

むずかしいかんじで

かいてあったりする

>Studied every day since June.
>Hospitalised for two weeks, do Anki for the first time today.
>Forget everything.

I don't mean to self-flagellate, but is this a good sign I should quit? Languages have always been my academic weakness and I'm a slow learner (10 words per day), but I thought if I worked hard and did lots of reps things would stick. This has really shaken my confidence.

>>18020450
Well it'll be easier to catch up now than it will be months/years from now.

Trying to get back into it myself after putting it down for 7 months after getting back from a 10-day trip and getting overwhelmed, wish I'd stuck with it since it's been really rough trying to relearn so much.

>>18020450
>but I thought if I worked hard and did lots of reps things would stick
you're speaking english so things will stick
theres evidence they've stuck
keep going

>>18020450
>Studied
That's a vague word.

not sure if this is allowed to ask here but do any of you have another hobby similar to doing anki reps everyday? i never took my studying too seriously but i did my reps everyday for a year and now being actually able to understand some japanese is quite cool considering how easy it was.

im wondering if there are any other skills i could learn that easy (although i don't claim learning japanese is easy or that i have but doing reps everyday is easy)

>>18020063
あなたは億千万人の赤ちゃんを倒すことができますか？

>>18020403
熟読せねば解するに能わぬ言葉を選り抜き
判読するに辞書を用いねばならぬ様な熟語を用いて記してある

ってかいてあったら

それは

いじわるだとおもうよ

If I read something, I want to mine everything I don't know, and then it's convenient to have mined words appear as new cards shortly after I met them in text. So the number of new cards per day limits how much I can read. What to you think is a better plan: to read and ignore new words, to let new words pile up in Anki, or to postpone intensive reading until I cover most of basic lexemes (say, 2000 kanji/4000 words in total), by which point the number of the words mined would apparently diminish? Currently at ~2000 words.

>>18020516
You could literally learn anything if you did the right reps at the right time.

>>18020552
I just let words pile up. I only ever used anki to get the readings to stick anyways.

>>18020567

Yeah but for some stuff you actually have to think

>>18020552
I've been adding most of the words so far, but it gets really demotivating after a while. Most of the words I don't know are compositions of 2-3 kanji, including one or two I haven't seen before, and it takes a while to get those to stick. This means I've currently got a pretty big backlog, and I have to review a large portion of my mining deck every day.

It's not an issue at first, but after a while you really start to notice it. I hope this'll improve though.

>>18020599
If you know the kanji and their readings in the word, especially one with on reading, it can be memorized almost without effort. This is why I think it would get better at >4000 words.

>>18020552
You can limit your number of mined cards if you want but there is no benefit to limiting your reading. That's just laziness that will stunt your Japanese.

>>18020698
Well, maybe I can choose only the most interesting words, unknown kanji or something. Thanks.

>>18020797
Different anon, after a few sessions of being overwhelmed with mining a ton of words, I just started mining words that had kanji I was particularly unfamiliar with, or words that were marked at least N2 or whatever other qualifications.

>>18020450
Do it for a couple days more. If it doesn't come back by then, then you have the license to call yourself brainlet.

Is it important to know which reading is on'yomi or kun'yomi for a particular kanji? Or is it fine as long as I know the reading in context for whatever usage is needed? Honestly I pretty much never can actually remember which is which but am usually fine remembering which reading is needed for the vocab, not sure if it would help me to put more effort into this.

How long you think it will take me to catch up again after quitting for about a year? Previously had about 2000~ words memorized fairly well though I hadn't done much actual reading (due to it tending to be frustrating pretty fast with needing to be buried deep in my dictionary for every single line)

You think if I go at it regularly for a month or so I can get back to where I was? Or will I be basically starting from square one again?

>>18021372
You won't be up to where you last were but it won't be square one.
It'll take at least a few months to catch up but the longer you wait the worse your memory of what you've learned gets, so unless you just don't care about learning anymore you have no excuse to not start again right away.

Is Genki a good resource or is it overrated? Downloaded the books from MAM a while back but not got round to reading them yet, forgot most of what I got from Tae Kim already though (since I had the bright idea of reading it in a sitting or two at the very beginning of my study and then jumping into kanji/vocab and not really using any of the grammar for months) so figured I might as well put some time into studying grammar again

>>18021372
That's hard to say and depends on how you normally function, how you learned last year, etc.
If you just had superficial knowledge, I think it's likely you have to start almost from square one, particularly since you didn't read, which would have been a great method to reinforce kanji and vocab in your brain.
If you properly studied the grammar, however, I think it should come back fast, since that one is more systematic.

>>18021363
onyomi usually are monosyllables (not sure if that's the correct phrase) like しょう and じゅう and all that stuff
but onyomi are never stuff like やみ at least not that I'm aware of right now

>>18021363
It's almost always very obvious which is which, onyomi and kunyomi have very different phonetics. And it's even more obvious with the context.

>grammar knowledge is terrible because I hardly studied Tae Kim while I did core, and now when I try to read I ignore grammar and just learn what the sentence is saying based off of the nouns
What can I do to remedy this? I'm starting tae kim again, but should I be paying extra attention to grammar in my reading?

>>18021635
Do the DoJG deck, it covers the same basics Tae Kim does, but has more emphasis on useful constructions like for example だって. Just make sure to study verb conjugations separately.

>>18021635
focusing too much on grammar is like spending all your time on studying the map of race course, but when you drive it for the first time you'll still crash your car at every 2nd curve
you obviously should read TK or genki etc. but just read it until you get the gist of the basic parts and then learn through exposre and research

I'd recommend Aku no Hana, it's pretty simple except for some slang here and there

>>18021635
>>18021635
I am the opposite. Grammar comes at me easily but I don't how how to read/say much. I'd say just read Tea Kim and be aware of grammar when reading stuff.

>>18021654
This is awesome, thanks for the rec. So many decks in the website...

Just to clarify, in this sentence "俺ら。。。　大人になっていくんだな。。。", the ん is short for ない? So he's basically saying he doesn't want them to become adults?

>>18021847
の

>>18019662
I fail to see why so many people push for serif fonts, and am interested in actual arguments, but uncited claims help.
>>18020114
Thanks for reminding me of this chart, as I needed a list of acceptable fonts. Recently found a Chinese character form in Source Han Sans JP for 溢, unless I'm an idiot and both are acceptable in Japan, but I didn't find any evidence pointing to that.

>>18021854
God dammit I hate ん. Is he saying they're becoming adults then?

>>18021866
seems so. ん is rarely used for negative outside speech, and when it is its obvious by the other grammar such as the negative conjugations of verbs before the ん, the explanatory の is also used kind of liberally.

I could be wrong though, someone better can correct me

>>18021856
well books are Serif'd, that's got to mean something.

>>18021890
The line I pasted is speech, would that lend more credence to the idea that it is ない? Incase it helps, here are the lines that come after it from the person he's speaking to; it's hard to work out whether they're being said or thought though:

あの頃の自分たらとはもう違う
大人になっていく。。。

「ん」はいやなら多分関西弁が大嫌いやんな
ている（過去形の「た」も）→てん、の→ん、ない→ん、な→ん、ある→あん
他の例もあんやけど今は覚えられへん
けど俺を聞いたらこんな柔らかい変化とかはええことやん

>>18012291
I just turned down talking a class about Japanese pop culture in which the department head's first words in describing it were "anime" and "manga."

Did I make a mistake?

>>18021942
It would have been funny to laugh at normalfags if you are into that kind of stuff. Otherwise, not really

>>18021891
I think it means that natives like serifs. I'd consider this a reason to use sans serif, to balance exposure to each.

>>18021925
>けど俺を聞いたらこんな柔らかい変化とかはええことやん

そうですか
なるほど、彼は都下来る。
ありがとうございます。

I'm a disaster, I need to write more.

>>18021847
>>18021854
>>18021866
Someone correct me, but I think it would be いかん if it were negative. That's how you distinguish them.

Assuming you know Hiragana and Katakana already, should you dive head first into the Kanji with something like WaniKani or stick to trying to learn specific phrases? I only ask because most things like lingodeer basically start throwing sentences in kanji alongside hiragana and katakana, and I figure it's best if I try to master the kanji before just doing rote memorization of specific phrases

>>18022000
Just dig in.
You will pick up the first 50 kanji or so in no time anyway, since they all look different to you and are incredibly basic/common.

>>18022000
How does WaniKani work? I signed up and did a radical lesson (got 100%) and its not giving me any new radicals or kanji, just reviewing those same radicals.

>>18021982
いやただの豆知識やったんやけど...
関西弁で話してんキャラはほぼないから今そんなん気にせえへんでもええで
>I need to write more.
俺もやけど、ただ関西弁好きやわ
自然に話すまでは少なくともあと2年で...

>>18022000
Why don't you read the guide? And rote memorization of phrases sounds retarded.

>>18022000
>stick to trying to learn specific phrases
tourist-tier

>>18021866
Yeah.

I know this is sort of a beginner question, but in TK, particle introduction, why does it have to be 今日は試験だ, and not, say, 今日試験は? Or would that be correct and have a different meaning?

>>18022158
Today is test

Today test is

>>18022158
>今日は試験だ
Comment about the current circumstances, being that, given 今日は, there is a 試験. This could be as opposed to there being something else or opposed to there being nothing at all, or merely answering the curiosity about what would be 今日 as opposed to what might be known about other days.

>今日試験は
This is not a statement.

>試験は今日だ
Comment on the topic of 試験 saying that it happens 今日 and not on some other day like 明日.

>>18022171
You don't know Japanese.

>>18022174
I don't think your convoluted explanation is going to help someone who can't even understand は

>>18022006
Thanks, I want to really get into it. I have most of the materials I'll need, all the genki textbooks and shit saved on a pdf file, but what I really needed was direction.

>>18022174
>>18022182
I think I got the idea, though, and his explanation was an answer to my admittedly very poorly thought out question. I was wondering if the first one put emphasis on the going-ons of today and that the test was just coincidentally today, while the second one should have been a sort of like "The test is specifically today", so the point of emphasis was the test, not the day

>>18022182
Telling him は is equivalent to "is" is even worse.

は is simply put the topic establishing particle.
今日試の験は would work, but it would say something else than the first sentence. The topic in this case isn't what today's curriculum is about (i.e. a test), but about the specifics of today's test (i.e. description of the test).

>>18022195
>今日の試験は
obviously meant this

>>18022193
Or to put it better, since I'm apparently having a brainmush moment, in the first one the test is a sort of property of the day which is the topic, while it's the other way around in the second one

>>18022174
>You don't know Japanese.
小さい人間だな、あんた

>>18022000
>dive head first into the Kanji
Yes.
>with something like WaniKani
No.
>>18022021
Roughly from memory, you have to 90% of the radicals of the current level advance past learning to unlock kanji and vocab, then 90% of kanji past learning to level up. When you level up it unlocks the next chunk of cards that you can start. It's painfully slow, but with how poorly it taught me compared to doing anki with my own cards for whatever reason, maybe it needs to be.
Point being, I gave it 4 months or so and don't recommend it. I quit for half a year and forgot most of everything, and after 45 days of anki with less time commitment I'm past twice as many cards, not making cards for anything that is obvious or easy to me. Really solidifies how poorly it was working for me.
Typing answers is slow and gives no benefit whatsoever, by the way, that's my top complaint. I also think that kanji -> keyword is useless practice.