/jp/ - Otaku Culture

will djt ever go back to creating new thread images or at least stop using generic artwork? the ones they use on /int/ djt threads look nice and really stand out in the catalog

>>17887916
言い成りにならネーよ！

>>17887952
Why does it matter?

In general, do LNs or VNs have more complicated language, and which are more useful for the purpose of study?

>してるかっこの
What's he trying to say here?

I'm starting my reading of actual Japanese stuff, but I have just one question. Since recognising a kanji's meaning can fulfill its role within a sentence how does one not fall in trap of that i.e. do you feel like you understand a given sentence if you can pronounce everything in it or is it enough to understand it as it is?

I can understand what a sentence means, but should I stop to nail down every single reading? It's just so different to learn Japanese, in Indoeuropean languages appearance of a word equals its 'reading', in Japanese you don't need the reading to understand the word in written language.

>>17888053
That would greatly depend upon the ultimate purpose of your studies.

>>17888078
General fluency, up to reading Japanese classics.

>>17888053
I would say VNs are the most useful for studying, because they give you listening practice as well. And if you are a beginner they make it easier to look up kanji.

>>17888077
Generally speaking, if you have a good grasp of grammar and the meanings of kanji, you should be able to parse the meaning in most cases.

However, there will be times when idioms or literary language will muddy up the waters.

Example: 眠れる獅子 would normally mean "the lion that can sleep", but it's a remnant of り, a resultative-continuative auxilliary.

>>17888093
>And if you are a beginner they make it easier to look up kanji
How so?

>>17888098
>眠れる獅子 would normally mean "the lion that can sleep", but it's a remnant of り, a resultative-continuative auxilliary.
Excuse me, what?

>>17888100
Text hookers can automatically extract the digital characters so you can look them up online.

>>17888085
Ah. I suppose that LN would be better practice, but reading proper novels, and non-fiction especially would probably be best.

>>17888106
眠れる is the 已然形 of 眠る, plus the 連体形 of the resultative-continuative 助動詞 り, which is る.

>>17888114
I see, thanks.
>>17888112
Up until now I saw LNs in Japanese already in electronic form. Is that uncommon?

>>17888133
If you're aiming for reading proper stuff, have you yet found aozorabunka? There's even an app.

>>17887871
wow so many djt's

>>17888244
Proper stuff is a far goal, I can barely read LNs yet. Though I'll remember that, thank you.

>>17888072
している格好
The appearance you're doing (get-up you're wearing) right now (is a つくつくぼうし, right?)

最近、日本の政治に興味があるけど、、
今の政権は官僚と大企業のことしか考えていない。
昭和初期と同じだ。
立ち上がれ、若人よ！今こそ決起の時！２２６について調べてから、なるひと維新をしなければいけません

>>17888435
政治なんてどうでもええ姿勢を取ると心配が消えるわ

Fuck, my Anki sessions the past 3 days have been absolute disasters. What do you guys do to get out of that rut?

>>17888650
>What do you guys do to get out of that rut?

Give up

>>17888650
Don't study when you're tired of your daily shit (be it work slavery or watching anime), do your reps in the beginning of the day, or at least not at night. Concentrate instead of reading 4chan between answering cards. Try not to think of any unrelated shit in general.

>>17888664
I'm doing them in the mornings after breakfast, same as I always have. Maybe I just need to concentrate harder or some shit.

Sentence from core6k:
彼女の髪はとても長い。

Why it doesn't use the ~は~が construct?

>>17887984
It's nice to see creativity and effort put into a community, which make no doubt this is. It's the little things which add up, you know? Of course you don't.

>>17888771
Go away narcissist.

>>17888739
Why doesn't every sentence in English use the verb "to be"?

>>17888842
Sentences about body parts should have the ~は~が construct. In fact next sentence is:
彼は足が短い

I was suspecting that hair is not considered a body part in Japanese.

>>17888739
>>17888855
She has long hair
vs
Her hair is long

I take five minute breaks in the middle of anki sessions to keep from getting burned out. Does anybody have any advice for what to do during breaks to maximize retention?

>>17888902
masturbate, it'd give you the endorphines

>>17888902
Probably something involving standing up. I usually do toilet breaks, because they involve walking, and they don't take any mental effort, so the neurons get to calm themselves down a bit.

>>17888906
I wish this actually helped with retention.

>>17888908
I usually walk around for a minute or two and then listen to a song for three to five minutes. I'm not sure if I should cut out the music.

I've been getting into Japanese ASMR videos for listening practice. Not the lewd kind, just ones with whispering and other sounds. I don't get the ASMR feeling some people do but having a girl whispering in your ear is pretty nice.

>「すごい力があるなら、命を削るとか、かっこいい宿命とか、そういうのとセットじゃないと！」
I'm a little confused on the last portion, mainly what のと is doing here. I'm understanding the gist of the sentence as "With such a power, things like cutting one's lifespan and meeting a glamorous fate don't go hand-in-hand!", but I'm not sure if that's right.

>>17889068

>I don't get the ASMR feeling some people do

are you using decent headphones?

>Not the lewd kind

lewd ones are the best

>>17889068
>I don't get the ASMR feeling some people do
I've never experienced this supposed tingling shit either. I imagine it's just another dumb overhyped thing that half of the people just pretend to feel in order to not feel left out.

>>17889198
>are you using decent headphones?
Sennheiser HD 558. Should be decent enough.

How are you supposed to know when 「抱く」 is 「だく」 or 「いだく」?

>>17889610
Usually だく when it's physical hugging or sex, いだく when it's metaphorical

If 行く is intransitive, why it doesn't require が?

>>17889682
Always post the sentence you're asking about.

>>17889610
Context. It's just a difference in nuance anyway.

>>17889690
Not a particular sentence. I've read that intransitive verbs require が as a subject.
ex: 彼が見える　(I can see him, literally "he is visible")

Why this doesn't apply to 行く?

>>17889707
Japanese sentences don't require anything but a verb
any competent introductory grammar resource will tell you this

>>17889707
Because 行く generally uses に。The only real example I can think of where が行く is in the form of いけない which doesn't really have anything to do with 行く itself.

>>17889722
this post gave me brain damage

>>17889722
I got that, but why 行く is intrasitive verb then?

If 彼は見える is incorrect, why　彼は日本に行く　is correct?

>>17889760
it's intransitive because it does not allow you to use a normal direct object with を

there are situations where をcan be used with it but it doesn't mark a direct object in those cases

>>17889780
Yes, that is the definition of intransitive in my language, but Japanese textbooks and resources give a different definition of ntransitive verbs.
見る and 見える　are a pair of transitive and equivalent intransitive verb but in my language I'd call them active/passive pair.

>>17889791
their definition is wrong
there is only one definition of transitivity and that is whether direct objects are accepted

>>17889819
DoJG causes problems.

>>17889819
Ok, thank you very much!
Just a last thing: how to correctly call a pair like 見る and 見える?

>>17889853
a transitive-intransitive pair
English has them as well, like lay vs lie

おはようおにいちゃん

あさごはんなにたべたらいいとおもう？

>>17888855
>Sentences about body parts should have the ~は~が construct.
What?

>>17889863
see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stative_verb#Distinction_between_intransitive_and_transitive

>>17889085
そういうの ＝ そういうもの

〜じゃないと！ ＝ 〜じゃないと駄目だ！(＝〜であるべきだ！)

すごいちからがないのなら

「サーバルちゃんみるからにダメで
なんでうまれたのかのかも
わんなかったぼくをうけいれてくれて
ここまでみまもってくれて」

とかそういうのとセットじゃないと！

>>17889870
see 彼は足が短い

>>17889863
Different forms for differing transitivities are remarkably rare in English when compared to their frequency in Japanese. Verbs that can function both ways in Japanese are the exception.

>>17889970
examples do not a rule make

- most ~asu verbs that are the transitive verb in a transitive-intransitive pair are lexical causatives (they always have a direct object, even if it's implied) - example: 凹ます vs. 凹む
- most ~eru verbs that are the intransitive verb in a transitive-intransitive pair are a passive-potential stative verb, such as 見える vs. 見る. This is not the case for ~eru verbs that are the transitive verb in a transitive-intransitive pair, like 教える vs 教わる, 伝える vs 伝わる, 恐れる, etc.

>>17890016
Genki has a lesson about that.
XはYがZです
Where X is the person, Y is the body part and Z is an adjective.

>>17890037
And Genki is garbage.

>>17890045
Genkiって著者ってだれ？

>>17890037
I have that text. That construction is vastly more common, but the XのYはadjective is perfectly valid. It really just depends on where the speaker wishes to place emphasis: the person, or the person's attribute.

>>17890051
Japan Times

>>17890045
Why do you say that? I've used at least five different texts, and always found Genki to be the best in general.

What text would you choose to teach a class and why?

>>17890072
Spoiler: classroom texts for foreign languages are garbage across the board.

>>17890072
>What text would you choose to teach a class and why?
>language learning
>class

>>17890037
That doesn't mean it "should" be that way. It's just another way to say the same thing.

Is my handwritting legible?
/int/ is being spammed with loli porn so I can't ask them.

>>17890088
Ah, yes, I forgot that most people here are anki-addicted NEETs.

>>17890103
False dichotomy; straw man; etc.

Classes are one of the places where Anki's isolated training is useful. Almost every passing medical student these days uses something like it.

>>17890096
it's aight

>>17890096
Your ええs look weird, but the biggest problem is that you seem to have written 取 as 目+又.

>>17890115
I didn't mean to bash Anki; I use it too.

I was more taking the piss out of those who rely exclusively on it, boasting of their stats while remaining largely ignorant of grammar and such. It's like a person who does nothing but push-ups, boasting of his physical prowess.

There is no small number of such people hanging about here. I expect they all got thrown out of their Intro To Japanese classes at their local community colleges after trying to derail the prof's lecture into which waifu is besto too many times.

>>17890096
That's a serious I-want-to-talk-to-the-manager hairstyle right there.

>>17890180
I literally do not use Anki at all. Classroom language textbooks are still garbage.

>>17890180
Ankidrones have LITERALLY nothing to do with the notion that college textbooks are bad.

to be fair if a literal WHO with terrible writing and who is bad at explaining things can make a guide that covers more than a textbook with fewer errors despite being shorter then that says a lot about how bad the textbook is

>>17889068
Have a link to any good ones? Most ASMR stuff I find tends to be bad, Japanese or otherwise. Plus it seems like the more competent I get the lewder my self study stuff gets. I need some more normal stuff.

>>17890191
So, what do you recommend in their place? Are you against the very concept of textbooks, or do you think the existing ones are badly designed?

Stop telling us what sucks and tell us what doesn't suck.

>>17890220
asmr is like the opposite of normal dude

ちゅうとうでじしん？

だいじょうぶ？

>>17890223
literally any teach yourself guide not meant for classrooms that was written by someone who understands the language but isn't obsessed with systemizing it, plus lots of meaningful comprehensible compelling input, as early as possible and not designed for language learners
tae kim, kevin marx, even fucking sakubi

>>17890229
I assume they're talking about the same stuff they do in English videos, normal every day things. Is that not the case?

>>17890245
Those are also useful resources, but your feeling seems to be that the classroom environment itself is bad. I am wrong in receiving that impression?

I prefer self-study too, but integrated, classroom-centric approaches have their place as well.

>>17890259
the classroom environment isn't bad, the problem is the way textbooks for standard education are currently designed, it is directly contradictory to efficient language acquisition if you isolate yourself to it and it has serious negative effects on the benefits of grammar study if you use material designed this way as primers/references instead of courses ( for example genki literally does not ever explain the case particle usage of kara within grammar lessons, as only one example of such a problem )

レンガのおうち

だいじょうぶ

くずれてない？

>>17890278
I think our opinions have more in common than we might first have thought.

My single, greatest complaint about pretty much all existing texts is that they either completely ignore proper, formal grammar -- case particles, for example -- or worse: they misrepresent it.

I actually lecture on English at a Japanese university, and often find myself annoyed at incomplete texts and having to spend time supplementing them.

So, those of you without an intense hatred of Anki and are using the core deck from the guide, how do you approach cards like 日 and 日 that have no context as to whether it should be read as ひ or にち? Thus far I've been deleting one and merging it with the other but I'm open to other methods.

>>17890297
日日

ひにち、ひび、にちにち.

Fun.

>>17890290
they present their bastardized grammar as a formal thing leading to ridiculous confusion like >>17890060 sorted out

but formal grammar isn't for everyone in the first place, most people don't have the broken language faculty needed to apply abstractions to linguistic features without first having an intuitive understanding of them. this is why tae kim is the primarily recommended guide here, despite our containing a couple highly misleading passages

also the reading sections of language textbooks are as complete joke

>>17890308
despite its containing*

>>17890308
My personal opinion is that formal grammar should be integrated into the studies of any intermediate-level student. When they tend to ask questions, the answers to which can only be "because that's just the way it is" for lack of a good foundation upon which to give them a proper explanation, then is the time to begin teaching them exactly why things are the way they are.

Knowing that べき attaches to the so-called "dictionary form" is all well and good until the exception すべき is encountered. That can be dismissed as a "random, meaningless exception" or we can instead learn that べし always attaches to the 終止形, and learn a fuck of a lot in the process.

>>17890347
for normal people formal grammar can only reliably be understood and remembered without making them misunderstand things if they've already at least started to acquire the language. look for papers about Japanese linguistics written by Americans and you can tell which ones were written by people with a functional understanding of Japanese, for example. and because language classes can't treat people like they're fluent at anything until at earliest the second trimester for educational stress reasons, that means that formal grammar will be limited to what you can explain on the back of your hand: phrase structure and comparisons to the L1. imagine trying to explain polarity of bakari in any way more nuanced than "it repels negative statements" to the typical 3-month learner of Japanese.

>>17890393
I agree. That's why I urged that formal grammar be broached from an intermediate stage.

>>17890259
>the classroom environment itself is bad
>single dude at the front
>orating endlessly
>barely any review
>incentive to bloat the scope of the lesson to justify their hours
>students forced to wear pants
its like they set out to recreate the 9th circle on earth

よしんがおさまるまで

ひなんじょにひなんだよ

>>17890416
It all depends on the teacher and his method. The English classe I teach are very interactive. If I were to just stand at the lectern and pontificate, no one would learn shit.

>>17889893
Thank you. I thought that it implicitly mentioned いけえません but I somehow felt like it was closer to と思う. Yours is obviously correct and 思う wouldn't make sense here anyways .

truly the scarecrow of our thread

>>17890432
震撼で新患レベル？

>怖くてほとんど観てないようだよ

How best to deconstruct this sentence?

I take 怖くてほとんど観てない to mean "afraid and hardly watching" (as in, she's afraid to watch horror movies)

but in adding ようだ it makes less sense. "Looks like afraid and hardly watching" = "It looks like she's afraid to watch." ?(´･ω･`)

>>17890592
（怖くてほとんど観てない）よう

鉄亜鈴
dumb＝唖
bell=鈴

>>17890651
直訳、たーのしー

今日も一日がんばるぞい！

>>17890701

>>17890592
>(´･ω･`)

You do realize that we all hate you now, right?

>今回地震が起きたイラン西部やイラク北東部、それに隣国のトルコは、ユーラシアプレートと呼ばれる大陸の岩盤に南からアラビア半島が乗ったアラビアプレートの岩盤が沈み込んでいる影響で、ほぼ南北から押し合う力がかかっているために地震活動が活発な地域で、過去にも繰り返し地震の大きな被害が出ています。

じしんぐうこわ

>>17891055
中東ならば、地震後より進展している文明を進化しよう。

Figure I should maybe learn some basic Japanese history, mythology and the like to better catch references or whatever. Any recommendations for something to watch or read?

>>17891404
It may be a disappointing answer, but the best thing is probably to go read the Wikipedia articles on the history of Japan, Japanese culture, mythology and such, and follow interesting links to sub-articles.

Is there a reason うちに doesn't have an entry on jishio other than as 打ち荷? I already found it in the grammar guide, just curious considering it seems fairly common to not be in.

>>17891513
>内に

とか

>家に

とかじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>17891513
Because it's just うち and the に particle.

痔塩

>>17891518
>>17891522
Ah that makes sense. For some reason I never made the connection that に was a particle in that case.

>>17891527
That sounds like it would sting.

Related: here is my new, favourite idiom for "obsequiousness", 吮癰舐痔. It makes "brown-nosing" sound classy.

Hi everyone.

I'm Japanese otaku.

I want to say hello to everyone.

>>17891643

ohio-!

This is my first day posting 4chan XD

Can someone tell me where the particles are in

溢るる涙の蕾?

Or does jap work like this too?

So I don't know any japs but plenty of chinks

Is picking up kanji from chinks a good idea?

Particles is 涙

Na-mi-da.

溢るる涙の蕾

Above Japanese is 3 kanji can be read as Japanese Kanji.

>>17891745
You should reply by clicking the post number and then typing the reply

>>17891736
it depends on their background.
Mandarin is not good (has lost too many useful details since Middle Chinese), simplified Chinese is not good (characters are radically simplified)

>>17891766
Oh thanks for advice.
I'm first time to communicate 4ch.

>>17891771
You learned how to do it, but you clicked on the wrong post.

>>17891733
>溢るる
is the classical 連体形 form of 溢る
>涙
is the noun 涙
>の
is the particle no
>蕾
is the noun 蕾

>Or does jap work like this too?
nani?

>>17891738
恐らく名無しさんの言ってる「particle」は「分子」ではなく文法の助詞

>>17891773
>>17891776

nahh , thank you.
ありがとうございます。
My English is not good, excuse me XD

またせくはらされた

>>17891797
色っぽすぎただろう

>>17891776
I'm going to have to pick an easier song

Any recs?

>>17891802
あたしわるくないって

>>17891822
ぼくが全部わるい。

i cant read nearly anything after 3 months and i hate it, grammar is a nigger

>>17891830
おまえだったのか

本当に悪いんだもの、仕方ない…
でも、せくはらパートはぼくじゃないです！

My motivation to learn stems entirely from lust.

I only look up kanji I don't know when I'm reading the raws for a femdom doujinshi.

I got the windows ime only to help me look up words. By actively searching for more femdom, I have learned hiragana, katakana, and hundreds of kanji. I am not lying.

The pause between when I'm reading doujinshi and looking up words is great, it feels like I'm edging myself. I usually just gloss over the text, reading kana and some kanji, on my first run through a doujin. Then I reread and slowly look up kanji with radicals on jisho until I cum. I continue later when I'm in the mood.

Is there anyone else here like me?

>>17891867
Oh and I've been doing this for only two years. A college student.

>>17891864
かきとり２ページでゆるします

>>17891880
貴方に許してもらえるならば、この一手だけ指してから、２冊でもかきとりましょう。

>>17891814
春よ来い is partially written in literary Japanese mang
I've never thought about it before and I'm not entirely sure what your objective is, but 壊れかけのRadio is a nice song and the grammar shouldn't be too complicated.

>>17891887
２ページでいいからちゃっとすませろ

>>17891895
んふふ、ありがとう

ちゃっとは

ほうげんだったよ

「たんじかんで」は「ち↑ゃっと↑」だよ

Is volitional clear cut? From what I've seen it's kind of confusing.
I see it as "ましょう” to mean that the speaker "will do", and adding か to it makes it the "lets do" or "want to do?", but I feel like I've seen them used interchangeably. Is that reliant on context and tone then?

>>17890220
I like Hatomugi ASMR on Youtube.

>>17891947
To add, is the verb おう piece always first person or can it also offer other's volition?

>>17891867
>hundreds of kanji
>>17891870
>only two years
C--congrats? Doujinshi are fucking easy by the way, but if you're doing good enough for your interests then who are we to judge.

Someone gifted me the kindle (not paperwhite the default one) and I tried reading yotsuba as a test, but some of the more complicated kanji and furigana are really badly rendered(I used the djt raw files). Can this be solved if I get better quality scans or should I just buy the paperwhite?

>>17891947
いっぱいいみあるから

ぜんごによって

どのえいごになるかかわるとおもう

>>17892102
what

>>17892023
I don't have much experience with kindle but something you could try is playing with the font. Google seems to suggest you can't directly install fonts without jailbreaking before paperwhite, but that embedded fonts in an azw3 work and can be swapped with Calibre (and other formats can be converted to azw3 as well). I'd try something like Source Han Sans JP, regular or medium weight.

>>17892122
they're scans dude

>>17892122
Thanks anon! I'll look into it

Jesus Christ the default style of the yotsuba pack is awful

>か弱い
wat
how this this come about, or is it just ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>17891867
Through dick, unity. Godspeed anon!

しょうとうじかんだよ

おやすみおにいちゃん

おなかすいた

ラーメンたべたい

In the top left panel "鼻毛全部抜くぞ”
I can't figure out what exactly he's saying.
I can only assume he's threatening to pull out all of Kowai's nose hair?
But I also see that 鼻毛 can, for whatever reason, also mean being infatuated with women, which leads me to believe it has something to do with that seeing as the comment stemmed from Kowai showing Jumbo a picture of him with Asagi.
I'd appreciate any input for the sake of my retarded ass.

>>17892464
Your first guess was correct. Don't overthink it.

What's the difference between here and >>81738418 ?

What's the difference between here and >>>81738418 ?

>>17892734
I obviously meant between this /djt/ and the djt from /int/.

>>17892734
>>17892735
/jp/ DJT - Autistic shitstorms about inane bullshit, every thread guaranteed. One native poster who can't understand a word of English and role-plays 24/7 as a little girl.

/int/ DJT - Slow. Less arguments, but at the same time, less in-depth posts. Several native posters of varying degrees of English ability.

>>17892734
The other thread is full of /pol/ rejects that get into arguments with literally everyone and spew delusional bullshit everywhere. and several eternal dekinais that pretend to have learned Japanese and project an outwards identity instead of attempting to remain anonymous.

>>17892900
>/jp/ DJT - Autistic shitstorm

Sweet Jesus, yes. I think there are two or three of them whom destroy every single thread.

Autism, Adderall, and 4chan is one hell of a combination.

>>17887871
finished all my kanji cards for today, it sucked because i missed yesterday. i need to do vocab next and some reading but i can never decide on what i want to read

>>17893080
Whatever you want bro.

>>17893170
just b urself

>>17893170
i always get frustrated and lose my patience though, its bad

>モー子は無意識にか、膝の上に置いたいつもの本の表紙を指でなぞる。
>それはどこか、感情を溢れさせまいとするまじないのように見えた。
In that second sentence I feel like I understood what is happening but when I looked up まじ it didn't seem to require a ない after it
But maybe what is happening here is a double negative or something

>>17893311
It's 呪い.

>>17893384
Oh I fucked up. I assumed it was some grammar point and searched for ‘‘まじない grammar‘‘ etc. and nothing came up...
Should have looked it up in my dicktionary too
PLEASE USE KANJI NIHONJINS LIFE WITHOUT THEM IS JUST HARDER FOR EVERYONE

I started tackling kanji and I like to use jisho.org but HTTPS Everywhere, an add-on, breaks it. It won't show me stroke order and disables audio.
I can get around it by disabling HTTPS but I would really prefer not to do that.

Is there a workaround? Or another site for kanji meanings/stroke order/audio?

>>17858594
Well, I was hoping I could keep up the pace I went through Sakurako's route at, but it was not to be.

God damn, what a load of shit Mayuri's route is. Not only is the plot completely stupid, but the pacing is so tedious.

>>17893503
It's been a while since I used HTTPS Everywhere but isn't the whole point of HTTPS Everywhere that it automatically blocks websites which don't use HTTPS? If there's some parts of jisho that don't use HTTPS then I don't think there's a fix, doesn't HTTPS Everywhere have some kind of blacklist where you can block it for just jisho?

>>17893535
>doesn't HTTPS Everywhere have some kind of blacklist where you can block it for just jisho?
I thought so too but I can't find it.

And it doesn't block it, it just forces http to https.

>>17893550
I think it tries to always connect with https and if it can't it'll block it.

>>17893503
You don't have to disable HTTPS Everywhere altogether. Under "Stable rules", just uncheck "Cloudfront.net".

I think the problem is probably due to Jisho being a HTTP-only website. HTTPS Everywhere forces the incoming cloudfront connection to HTTPS, but the destination of the connection is a HTTP-only website, and that's probably causing some sort of conflict somewhere.

>>17893560
Oh wait, scratch that. I just checked and it turns out Jisho DOES have HTTPS, but HTTPS Everywhere doesn't automatically connect to it. You have to manually type in https://jisho.org to get to it.

If you visit the HTTPS version of the site, you don't need to uncheck that Cloudfront rule in HTTPS Everywhere's settings. At least, I just tried it and it's working for me.

>>17893571
Looks like Jisho just added HTTPS support this month so HTTPS Everywhere doesn't have the rule for it yet.

>>17893571
Wait, I just found a problem. Some of the internal links on the HTTPS site point to the normal HTTP version of the site, and since HTTPS Everywhere doesn't automatically resolve them to HTTPS for whatever reason, whenever you click one of those links you will be taken back to http://jisho.org again.

>>17893584
Surprised it's taken them so long to do it. Much of the rest of the internet updated to HTTPS ages ago.

>>17893584
>this month
Looks like it was actually just over a week ago.
https://twitter.com/jisho/status/927265081473294336

Are there any actual decent resources out there for handwritten kanji search? That sljfaq site has only been successful for me around 1/20 times. I like being a self-sufficient learner, so it pains me (and I'm sure it pains you) when I crop an image going "Hurr was dis kanji?". I want to learn to help myself, but damn if the resources I've found aren't very good.

>>17893571
Okay, that fixed it. Thanks.

>>17893592
Haven't found that problem yet, the links in this page all lead to the https.

>>17893610
>Haven't found that problem yet, the links in this page all lead to the https.
Search a word, then click the "Details ▸" link.

>>17893616
Oh, well that sucks.
I'll just do this: >>17893560

Thanks anyways.

>>17893513
But Mayuri's route is good, especially since you saved it for last. I love her theme, it is the only song I still listen to from the OST.

>>17893603
https://translate.google.com/#ja/en/

Click on the pencil to draw. It is the best.

I was just looking over the old guide out of curiosity and was surprised to see that it recommends sentence mining. For some reason I didn't remember that being there; I thought mining individual words with the help of Rikaisama was the long-standing recommendation, but I guess that approach got introduced more recently than I thought?

I also thought that the idea of sentence mining was something that entered the threads recently (and seemed to be getting little in the way of acceptance too), but I guess that was wrong as well.

>>17893745
Sentence mining comes from AJATT and is very popular among people who do RTK as a result. It goes several years back. Further if you count cloze cards.

The guide and resource list are unmaintained, right? But there's a link to the live google docs versions at the top. They both have changes that aren't included in the other, and they're both unmaintaned. Why haven't we moved the guide to a wiki? It doesn't contain copyrighted information or anything.

>>17890220
Yeah, where do you find CDs of that kind of stuff? I remember Shibuya Rin's seiyuu did one and it was pretty good with a similar character to Rin, but more lewd for a massage of sorts. Although, I could be remembering wrong and it was just a VN. She did it with other seiyuu though, but I have no idea what those kinds of things are called.

>>17891895
この手の意味は何ですか

>>17893751
>and is very popular among people who do RTK as a result
Why exactly is that? Sentence mining usability aside, AJATT is some cultish thing that has nothing to do with RTK, hasn't it?

>>17893761
I feel like it's time for another overhaul anyway. The focus should be on discouraging bad popular studying methods instead of describing every method available.

>>17893778
AJATT and RTK have a lot of overlap, because AJATT's first step is to finish RTK before doing anything substantial with the language.

>>17893779
>implying trying out every method available isn't the best idea

>>17893751
I mean in terms of these threads though, I was never aware for whatever reason that it used to be recommended in place of mining individual words in the guide.

Also, I found an older version of the guide which warns against reading Yotsuba, quite contrary to the newest iteration of the guide:
>A word or warning on Yotsuba&!, from a Japanese guy at the IRC channel
>"Part of the appeal or Yotsuba&! is the odd way in which Yotsuba speaks.
Not only is that mostly lost to a beginner, but you also risk being utterly confused and perhaps even learning wrong things from her.“

This older version of the guide seems to suggest mining individual words rather than sentences though, interestingly.

>>17893809
You see, people who get heavily invested in the learning methods that aren't working too great are usually more vocal about the superiority of their methods. This is why, given the free choice of the available methods, the worse ones would eventually get more popular, unless people aren't very clear from the beginning about some methods being worse than others.

>start understanding japanese
>realize japanese lyrics are just as stupid and/or degenerate as english/(anon's native language)

this isn't what i wanted

>>17893859
As long as they sound good, it doesn't even matter to me what gibberish they say.

>>17893859
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw2ok8r7yuQ

>>17893859
youre probably looking at 2m+ views pop songs anon

lyrics of those kind will be universally shit

>>17893845
>unless people are very clear from the beginning
selffix

>>17893761
>The guide and resource list are unmaintained, right?
It's semi-maintained. If you nag the maintainer in this thread, they might take notice and apply any new updates, but they don't check the feedback page anymore and don't actively watch for changes.

>Why haven't we moved the guide to a wiki?
Nobody can be bothered. The current maintainer seemed to be hoping someone would take over from them, but nobody has stepped up to the plate.

>>17893859
what the fuck did you expect

>>17893779
I sort of agree. I think the guide should be simpler and more foolproof, with as little mention of alternative methods as possible (save for discouragement of bad ones, like you said). Too many people get hung up on this method vs. that method and end up wasting all their time trying to find the perfect one which will magically grant them fluency without ever having to actually pick up something in Japanese and try reading it. The more you promote alternative methods, the more you encourage this type of behaviour.

I guess the problem then becomes though: which method to we promote to the exclusion of all others? I think we can all agree that giving Tae Kim or Genki a once over is a good idea, and obviously you have to learn kana, but beyond that opinions become divided. Some like Core, some don't (I'm on the fence; I think it's helpful but far too time consuming). Some like RTK (and similar methods), others hate it. Most like vocab cards, but sentence cards have a few passionate supporters too (and a notable advocate in that MattvsJapan guy).

I think the key message that the guide has to get across in the end though is that you cannot learn Japanese without reading lots of Japanese and listening to lots of Japanese. And on the subject of reading and listening in the guide, I think we could stand to comfort beginners a bit more, telling them that it's normal to struggle even with easy content when you're first starting out and assuring them that it gets easier if you stick at it. I think one of the big things that gets people locked into the eternal textbook phase is that they try reading material they've been told is easy, find they're struggling a lot with it, then think that means they must not be "ready" yet so they retreat back into the safety and comfort of their beginner book.

>>17893730
This has been working wonderfully, thank you very much.

>>17893730
Any way to make this work offline?

>>17887952
>>17888771
Let's use this one next time.

>>17893592
>and since HTTPS Everywhere doesn't automatically resolve them to HTTPS for whatever reason
Never went from "maybe I should check that out" to "wow that sounds like shit" so quickly. What is the point if it doesn't even TRY to redirect?

Apart from some books to read, is there anything I should pick up while in Japan to help my learning? Is there anything that's a popular import that I could just grab while I'm there?

>>17894321
a permanent visa

>>17894321
a girlfriend

>>17893779
I see what you're saying but I disagree. First of all, the "right" method is highly debated and unproven. Second, if someone runs into something that they've never heard of before, they might mistakenly think it's a new idea, where if they have a reasonable overview of different endorsed strategies and their alleged pros/cons, they are better informed. Third, if you're looking for the minimal overview and a step by step on exactly what to do, you might as well buy a shitty learn japanese in 30 days book, not look for real resources.
>>17893809
That doesn't mean to do this.
>>17893845
I don't agree with this generalization, but I do agree that people who are vocal about the superiority of their methods are usually dumb. But see above regarding "clear from the beginning about some methods being worse" -- that's only going to be a biased opinion from some other vocal dipshit.
>>17894083
>Too many people get hung up on this method vs. that method and end up wasting all their time
I see what you're saying but I don't think this is our responsibility. Information can be crippling, but it doesn't have to be. Maybe a disclaimer to "just fucking pick something and stick to it if it isn't actively failing you". I think the possibility of becoming just as useless of a source that endorses One True Method is why more information is better.
>I think the key message that the guide has to get across in the end though is that you cannot learn Japanese without reading lots of Japanese and listening to lots of Japanese.
Agreed.

hi djt, need a bit of help.

yotsuba's hungry so I know from the context that she's saying "I'm going back home for food", however, why is かえる in the negative here? and what exactly is the purpose of と　in this situation?

>>17894362
>First of all, the "right" method is highly debated and unproven.

>>17894368
ないと（だめ・いけない・ならない）
"have to"

>>17894399

ah! no-spaces-confusion strikes again!

thanks a bunch.

>>17887871
hehe yeh

>>17894387
See also

>>17892734
Different reasons for learning.
Here is for people wanting to consume japanese media, mostly surrounding otaku culture. Thats it. No production, no stupid tests, don't want to live there etc. If you're not competent at reading/listening to what you want, you're still dekinaichans bitch

int is for normalfags that want to live and work there, somehow feel 3dpd is worth attention, and crave shallow recognition for things natives take for granted. So, JLPT is perfect for them. Production is also a high priority, since they want to live there some day.

>>17894387
I think he's a pretty smart guy with some good advice, and from what I've seen you will probably not go wrong following it to the letter, but I think he's far from "optimal". The fact is, we have a lot to learn about learning.

>>17894470
I mostly agree but a subtle difference.
>No production
I want to produce, but it's not something I'm focusing on primarily because I think that's a shit learning strategy. Speaking broken English doesn't make people who speak broken English stop speaking broken English.

>>17894549

>>17894549
Language acquisition is one of the few things about "learning" that we understand extremely well.

>>17894587
I agree with this, and yet there are many specific details of an optimal language learning regimen that are not proven. We know a lot of the core guidelines to a good system, but there is much to debate beyond that.

>>17894611
Those details aren't part of any "method".

>>17894618
Tell me how vague your right "method" is so I can better understand exactly what djtguide would say in your ideal form.

>>17894362
>but I do agree that people who are vocal about the superiority of their methods are usually dumb.
I think it's a beginner thing. People with little actually ability in the language who have thought about a certain method and concluded "yes, this seems very logical so it must work", and after convincing themselves of the method's efficacy they then set about preaching it to others (no doubt with good intentions in most cases - I'm sure they *believe* they're helping people, even though they almost certainly aren't) and encouraging them that they should be doing it too.

I try to take everything I read in these threads with a huge grain of salt these days because you can never know who you're listening to and what level they're at. Person X preaching method Y might talk as if they know a lot but could in reality be some eternal beginner who has never read any Japanese that wasn't written in a textbook. The person furiously arguing with you that whatever you're doing is wrong and that you need to start doing Z instead could be some Ankidrone who dropped Tae Kim before he even got past the basics section and has never done anything related to Japanese study besides the Core deck.

>>17893763
DLsite, hentai voice thread on /h/ -some are sfw.
They're situation cd's.

草 and 朝 appear to have incorrect stroke order in KKLC (the bottom cross is vertical before horizontal, which contradicts several other resources). Am I going to have to be wary of more mistakes?

So is stroke order and stuff actually important? I do like handwriting (as someone who's newly into fountain pen collecting) but with 2000 chinese runes to learn and no intention of writing many hand-written Japanese letters, I'm not sure it's worth learning.

>>17894470
Both threads are just offshoots from the old /a/ threads that got thrown out for being a general though.
They first got automatically moved to /int/ then somebody started making them here.

>>17894722
Looks like a dataset error since the previous kanji, 早, is right.

I would be vigilant for other errors, but KKLC was edited in depth by people from various "Japanese text" related organizations, so I wouldn't worry about there being anything particularly offensive like having components in the wrong order.

>>17894771
Also 潮 is right, so it's definitely a dataset thing. I wonder if this is a Kodansha Kanji dictionary problem.

Is there any particular difference in meaning or nuance when people write 「からだ」 as 身体 instead of 体?

DET when?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iL_0g6MHf4g

>>17894789
That's a very good question and I'm interested in what the answer is. But I see 身体 a lot more than 体 in the context of doujinshi, even when characters in a normal commercial non-h manga meant for 中学生 with furigana and all is talking about doujinshi tentacle rape.

>>17894793
Just ask questions here, I'm a man-god-machine at explaining English.

>>17894737
Radicals are worth learning to write with proper stroke order so you can look up characters with more accuracy when drawing them in Google Translate.

As for kanji, once you've learned to write a certain amount, you'll develop a natural feel for how kanji are written and be able to accurately guess the stroke order of most characters without needing to look them up (except for certain characters with full retard stroke orders like 必). Again, once you get to this stage, it will help with looking shit up in Google Translate, but I don't think it's worth learning to write kanji by memory unless you have some specific need to be able to do that.

>>17894821
>not just using jisho's radical builder to find kanji

>>17894832
Drawing them in Google is quicker.

>>17894789
Found something: http://forum.jisho.org/discussion/615/体-vs-身体/p1

>>17894721
ナイスです

ありがとうございます

Even found what I was looking for pretty quickly. This looks like it'll fulfill tons of listening practice now.

>>17894748
I was there when it happened dude and promised to never remake the thread ever again if we were subject to flags.
The mod on here was pacified and we were given a stay of execution, but if we push it, this thread will get nuked on a whim

>あまりのうつかりに「義兄」にツッコミそこねるヒナ子

After wrestling with this sentence I've decided on, "The rest of Hinako's bad mood temporarily came out with my failed "義兄" shtick."

Please tell me what I fucked up 義兄ちゃん

>tfw have to do reps for the past 3 days and tomorrows by the time i finish them

>>17894949
>うつかり
You mean うっかり, right? And sorry, but your translation is completely off.

>>17894737
It's important. Learn it

>>17894964
This shit is why I dropped anki to 5 new per day.

>>17895060
I alternate between 20 per day and 0 per day. Do 20 new cards while I can keep up and when it becomes too much stop getting new cards while I make sure I get the old ones. This has definitely helped me on the motivation side of things, too.

wtf i feel like i'm learning words easier outside of anki than in it

>>17894977
I must. Good catch.

>>17895099
How are you using anki? Mining from shit I'm reading is always 10x easier and more fun than using a premade core deck.

>>17895112
What's your card set up for mining?

>>17894821
Google Translate is the fastest kanji lookup, but I don't think it even pays attention to stroke order, I think it analyzes the completed drawing only.
>>17894737
I still support learning stroke order though, because it helps you understand what the fuck is going on in sloppy handwriting. It sure is dumb when the Japanese stroke order makes no fucking sense though, like in 棄. Good job with that one, guys, China would be proud.

>>17894964
Why are you missing days?
Why are you reviewing at night instead of first thing in the morning so you can relax?
>>17895060
Kanji or vocab? What in the fuck?

>>17895112
I'm doing core 6k only 1500 words in

i feel like nothing sticks because everything is out of context

>>17895123
Core deck. It took me 20 minutes today and I hated every minute of it. I don't understand how people do this shit for hours without wanting to kill themselves.

>>17890701
>>17890948
ぞいって何？

>>17895135
I'm 250 words into core and I feel like the reason why it's so annoying is because they put so many similarly looking words and words with similar meaning right next to eachother so it's very easy to get the reading right but the meaning wrong or vice versa

>>17895144
>>17895135
This is why premade decks and "frequency lists" are shit. It takes a lot more effort, but if you pick out words that you actually want to learn because you encountered them in the wild, it'll stick a lot better. Partly because the process of finding a word, looking it up, and adding it are all much better than seeing it for the first time during your reviews, but partly because it's more personal and not just some random shit that is due today.

>>17895135
i've noticed when i struggle with a word in anki day after day and then I hear it in a song or something it instantly clicks and then recalling it is suddenly very easy

>>17893859
Hah! My wife complains that since she learned to read, that previously "exotic" billboard has now been revealed as an advertisement for hemorrhoid cream.

>>17895074
I thought of doing that, but instead of dropping the 20 new a day, I just review forgotten cards for the last 2 days each night(reps in the morning).
Its helping out tremendously so far

>>17895167
Did she learn Japanese on DJT?

>>17893859
This realization changed me from a massive weeaboo to a slightly less massive weeaboo who listens to english songs occasionally.

>>17895117
How does 棄 make no sense? Seems logical to me.

>>17895135
You must not have been very experienced in the first place because a ton of those words are used all the time in anime and manga as well as songs. It's super easy connections. 1500 isn't much yet anyways, you need upwards of 10k to be able to hold your ground well.

>>17895189
that's why i said only 1500 you retard

>>17895117
>Google Translate is the fastest kanji lookup, but I don't think it even pays attention to stroke order, I think it analyzes the completed drawing only.
Even if that's the case, stroke order effects how the character winds up looking. If you draw a kanji using less or more strokes than it actually has, or you mix up the order, usually it will effect the appearance.

>>17895183
Unless you're Japanese how do you end up exclusively listening to their music? Did you dislike every local or English/American band you came across?

>>17895203
Touhou.

>>17895185
Because the middle and bottom are 廿 and 木, there is no 廿 anywhere else with a third vertical stroke, and it's not uncommon for the vertical stroke of 木 to cross other components, such as in 東. China does it right with one long vertical stroke instead of two that touch.

>>17895189
Only some of the words are common. The other half is newspaper shit like 産地.

I'd like a Core deck with all the useless to my area of interest words taken out.

>>17895215
I suppose that's true.

丗 does exist as a rare independent kanji, though, so even though it does not have any etymological function in the character, at least the stroke order still works.

The writing of 𠫓 as four strokes and not three bugs me more, frankly.

>>17895244
Jisho says there's like 20k+ common words anyways, might as well learn them all.

>>17895258

Or you could learn by reading compelling content

>>17895265
Such as?

>>17895272

Anything you find compelling. Any given text contains all the words you need to read it within itself. It's just a matter of adding them to your anki deck. Then you have a deck perfectly suited for the thing you actually want to read.

>>17895272
Print out the bytecode of Dies Irae and eat one page a day.

>>17895272
If you don't have any content in mind, why are you learning Japanese? We aren't mind readers. We can't tell you what you like.

>>17895272
Re-read something you like in Japanese.

>>17895282
I already read it in English. It was shit, by the way.

>>17893513
Hooray, I finished it. I think that was the worst route so far, even worse than Amane's which I didn't like either, but mercifully it was shorter than Amane's as well so I didn't have to suffer as much of it.

Amane's route was largely just boring for me, but Mayuri's was arduous from beginning to end. It was honestly irritating to read, not least of all because of how stupid Mayuri's motivation for acting the way she did was and how little sense it made. I was hoping it might've redeemed itself a bit during the climax like Amane's route did, but nope.

>>17893719
>But Mayuri's route is good
I can't agree in any capacity, but yes, her theme song was good. That's about the only positive thing I can say about the route.


Anyhow, I only have one more route to go now until I finish my first VN (actually, my first native content full-stop). Kind of an exciting feeling.

>>17895272
japanese porn games
japanese porn comics

>>17895272
I like reading stuff on narou. There's an unending tide of compelling content there. Enough isekai to blot out the sun.

>>17895247
It mostly bugs me here because 廿 is actually re-used in a few other kanji, and because it's stuck out to me ever since I learned that China's stroke order is closer to how I would write it.
At least 𠫓 seems to be more consistently fucked up, also more consistently than the 十 stroke order in 田 that mysteriously reverts in any kanji where it's obvious that it'd be dumb to do that. But it's something that should be fixed.
Maybe in a few decades Japan will try to eliminate more exceptional cases and inconsistencies throughout kanji. Or maybe it will get much worse.

>>17895272
If you can't think of anything compelling to read or listen to in Japanese then you shouldn't be learning it.

>>17895287
I generally don't understand how this is appealing to people. I am learning Japanese because I don't like shitty translations of native material. Why would I learn Japanese through shitty translations of other native material?

>>17895185
https://youtu.be/9K95xsKPur0?t=238

>>17895310
I don't see it getting worse, but it won't fall back into line, either.

旧態依然

Even mainland China, Taiwan, and Hong Kong have different writing patterns here and there. It's best to just learn the rules, then memorise the ex exceptions.

>>17895317
Watched the first ten seconds, then figured out where it was going.

Long story short: every attempt at simplification results in more systems to learn, not fewer, right?

The same problem exists in China as a result of their ill-executed "simplification" attempt.

I'm long over it. I know what's 常用 and what isn't, so I can use the right patterns in the right places.

Still have trouble with 翡翠, though.

I feel incredibly stupid for assuming I knew all the shit in the guide. There are so many resources there that weren't there a long time ago, holy shit.

>>17895332
>>Long story short: every attempt at simplification results in more systems to learn, not fewer, right?
Neither example provided in the video has anything to do with simplification. The character form in both examples is the same, it's just that the Japanese stroke order for them is altered from the original stroke order in Chinese in such a way that it becomes less natural natural and takes more effort to write them.

>>17895294
Don't be afraid to drop stuff, at least after you finish your first. You'll get way more reading done when you're not hostage to the sunk cost fallacy and forcing yourself to eat shit so you can say you finished the whole turd.

>>17895316
>Why would I learn Japanese through shitty translations of other native material?
Where did I even imply that? I meant take something you like that you've read that was translated and now read it untranslated.

>>17895347
The problem is that I like parts of Flyable Heart and did enjoy some routes, but there's a mystery spanning multiple routes of the game culminating in the final route that you unlock after completing the others, so I didn't want to drop it for that reason.

I'll keep that in mind for things I read in the future though.

>>17895316
I've never done it, but there are some books I've read so many times in my native language that I wouldn't mind reading them again in Japanese. I can see how that would be appealing.

>>17895345
Wut?

The very first comparison is a simplification. The 艱 has an extra fourth stroke, while 難 does not. The entire 旁 itself has a minor simplification.

>>17895351
My mistake. I've heard people suggest watching Japanese translations of English media.

>>17895395
Didn't the timecode in the link I posted work for you? I linked you to a specific portion of the video, that's what I was referencing in that post.

The link should've taken you to 3:58 in the video.

>>17895395
He's talking about the section focused on stroke order differences at the end, the beginning of the video is indeed about simplifications.

>>17895401
Sorry, no. The vid started at its beginning.

I think we generally agree on the main point, though.

>>17895405
Ah. I've long since made my peace with those such that using the "proper" stroke order feels really wrong, like wiping your ass with the wrong hand.

I can use the proper stroke order when writing for a Chinese person.

>>17894949
>>17894977
"Hinako who, in an abundance of carelessness, failed to go into details about her brother."

ね？ね？改善だかお兄～

>>17895432
Sorry, but still no.
1) When he says お義兄さん, he's calling her older brother his brother-in-law (i.e. implying they're going to get married)
2) Try reading about ツッコむ/ツッコミ in a native dictionary because jisho does a very poor job of explaining it. The basic idea is that she was "supposed" to say 「お義兄さんって呼ばないでよ！」 or something.

>>17895455
Oh yeah, that's been a running gag. Thanks anon, I'll hit the books.

>>17895465
Sure. Also, now that I think of it, since ツッコミ is a hallmark of Japanese humor it's pretty likely that you're already familiar with the concept from anime and other Japanese media. You might even find some useful stuff about it in English Wikipedia or random sites about Japanese culture - easier and possibly more informative than a dictionary.

>>17895398
Oh, now I understand what you meant. Yeah it's my fault, I should've specified that I meant raw native material, not something like JP Harry Potter.

>そして、僕という人間は、外の世界のなにを知らないのかを知らない、といった体たらくだ。
Having an issue understanding the direction here, particularly 知らないのかを知らない. Is it something like 「外の世界がなにを知らないのか(僕という人間)を知らない」? Any help is appreciated.

>>17895498
JP Harry Potter would probably be a pretty good read. It's not like Rowling's prose is any good in english.

>>17895503

This anon gets it.

>>17895499
He doesn't know what it is that he doesn't know.

>>17895520
That was my initial impression but it still seems really awkward to me. Is my other interpretation not possible anyways?

>>17895535
I can't make sense of your interpretation, so...
Hard to tell without context, anyways.

>>17895486
Was I at least correct in that the sentence ultimately serves as a description of ヒナ子 -- everything before ヒナ子 acting as a modifier on her name?

>>17895540
Yeah. There's even a name for that grammar construction, but I can't recall it. I know I've seen people here talk about it, though, so someone else probably knows what I'm referring to.

>>17895524
But that's wrong. The sentence clearly establishes "people whom cannot speak Japanese" as the topic, not "this area".

And the deliberately misleading use of ず 's 連体形 "ぬ" is shitty.

>>17895547
Are you saying that an author who frequently dekinai's is a dekinai? What a revelation.

>>17895556
Don't know the author. Just pointing out the できない.

>>17895556
But the author is a Japanese native.

Now that we've established that Japanese is too hard even for the Japanese, the question becomes, does anyone anywhere actually speak Japanese?

>>17895578
Japanese natives are often Japanese grammar dekinais, because they never actually learned it, and English dekinais, because their language classes on average are even worse than ours. Your question stems from a false premise.

>>17895499
I'm not certain, but I'm with you. If you intrepret の as the one that joins noun phrases
[[外の世界のなに]を知らない]を知らないのかを知らない
doesn't make sense
[外の世界] の [なにを知らない]
isn't grammatical

So I think it needs to be the の that replaces が in subordinate clauses.

>>17895588
>[[外の世界のなに]を知らない]を知らないのかを知らない

I fucked that up, anyway it still doesn't make sense to me.

>>17895596
I'm having seconds thoughts. Maybe it does make sense. Just ignore me.

>>17895611
My interpretation in my sentence replacing が with の would probably be something like "I don't know what the outside world knows of me [us]." If that translation provides any sense in what I'm trying to get across, of course it could be completely wrong. I just wanted to clarify if it could mean this as apposed to "not knowing what you don't know."

>>17895583
>asians and the west are terrible at teaching languages but the Euros are great at it
What did they mean by this?

>>17895714
Probably has something to do with Europeans being more reliant on competence in other languages.

>>17895583
To be fair, teaching English grammar is difficult as fuck, I don't know how you could do it on the fly unless you were experienced in teaching already. Just helping someone who came by made me unsure about everything.

>>17895727
This applies to a great number of languages.

>>17895727
Teaching your own language is very instructive. I've learned so many things about English and French, teaching them to Japanese.

How is 凋叶棕 pronounced? It's the name of the circle diao ye zong(withered leaf) It sounds more chinese than japanese.

>>17895753
>diao ye zong
that is your answer, just like 北京・香港・広東 is read as Pekin/Honkon/Kanton instead of Hokkyou/Koukou/Koutou.

>>17895727
Why can't every language be Chinese or Esperanto

>中性的とは、男にも女にも見える顔立ちのことである。
...so does 中世的 basically mean androgynous?
It's not coming up in my E-J dictionary and I don't trust myself with J-J.

>>17896044
Yeah.

>>17895149
ぞいって「ぞ」だとおもうよ

>>17895547
>>17895556
There is nothing more obnoxious than an autistic manchild who thinks he knows far more than experts on a topic.

>>17896281
>experts
Enjoying that appeal to authority?

>>17896327
Good job proving him wrong on there being nothing more obnoxious.

>>17896329
>him
>trying to samefag
You're disproving yourself repeatedly with more obnoxious behavior.

>>17896044
You mis-converted that.

中性 is "neutrality", thus 中性的 is "neutral".

>>17896404

>相対する2つの性質の中間に位置するさま。どちらとも言い切れない、またはどちらの性質も兼ね備えている様子などを意味する表現。特に、男性的・女性的な雰囲気の両方を持ち合わせている人を指して言うことが多い。

>game starts off saying ここはどこ

>>17895149
ぞいぞい

Ｉ　ｓｌｏｗｌｙ　ｆｅｅｌ　ｍｙ　ｃｏｍｐｒｅｈｅｎｓｉｏｎ　ｇｒｏｗ　ａｎｄ　ｉｎ　ｔｈｅｓｅ　ｍｏｍｅｎｔｓ　ｏｆ　ｃｌａｒｉｔｙ　Ｉ　ａｍ　ｅｕｐｈｏｒｉｃ

Is excessive politeness ever used in a tongue-in-cheek manner in Japanese as it is in English?

>>17896515
yes

>>17896515
ありませんよ～

>>17896515
>tongue-in-cheek

なにそれなにそれ

おいしそー

>>17896515
Japanese text books way over exaggerate the use of polite grammar. I've literally never heard anybody use it and when I use it they always tell me to stop. You'll probably save time by not bothering learning it unless you are going to be on the news or something. source: lived in Japan for 2 years

>>17896583

>>17896594
Even at work?

>>17896583
口には舌が下に頬の周りで語る
鳳凰の頬を追う王

>>17896594
Masturbating to visual novels isn't the same as living in Japan, anon.

>>17896600
>牛タン
What the hell.

>>17896631

lengua tacos are great

>>17896594
t. never used a コンビニ

>>17896606
especially at work

>>17896672
Does your boss just give you the plain imperative for every request and direction?

Is the yotsubato reading pack worth doing? It feels low quality and the lack of audio seems to be hurting my retention, should I just stick with the core deck?

>>17896789
Reading anything is better than just the core deck 2bh fampai

>>17896789
If you don't want to read Yotsuba, don't. But you have to read *something*.

If you want audio, how about giving visual novels a look?

>>17896794
I just want to read visual novels, so I guess I'll stick with the core deck, thanks

>>17896804

how far in are you to the core deck

>>17896811
1200 words

>>17896886

And have you started reading?

>>17896915
yotsuba

>>17896915
Nope, I tired once but it seemed impossible

>>17896918

>>17896923
That's why you pick something simple.

Are there verbs other than する which may omit, or is there the practice in slang of omitting を and modifying a verb by simply placing a noun directly before the verb in the sentence?

I ask because of this sentence:

>私がバカみたいじゃない！

Now, I know みたい has its own grammatical function, and the sentence could mean, "I'm not like an idiot."

But my brain first wanted to assume みたい as the たい form of 見る to mean, "I don't want to look like an idiot."

I'm just wondering if this is possible or if it's only something I invented.

>>17896952
>But my brain first wanted to assume みたい as the たい form of 見る to mean, "I don't want to look like an idiot."
Read more.

>>17896923

It's going to seem impossible no matter how many words you know, honestly. The hard part is actually parsing the sentence. At first you won't know where words end or begin, what is slang (almost everything has slang, yotsubato isn't some exception), what is a grammar construction, etc. You've just got to brute force your way through and figure out how to get creative with figuring out how to break down the sentences. You have to strike a balance between knowing when to give up on a sentence (or an entire page, or entire sequence of pages) that is just too complicated for your current abilities and knowing when to push yourself to understand a little bit extra. It's an iterative process with ups and downs. Sometimes you will feel like you've learned a lot only to flip the page and not understand anything. Sometimes you'll forget stuff you thought you had down and feel like an idiot. Sometimes you'll figure out what you thought you knew was actually wrong and go back and reread with a completely different understanding of what was truly being said.

No amount of flash cards can possibly prepare you for this. You've just got to do it. Have the dictionary of japanese grammar open, have google ready, check stackoverflow, have tae kim on hand, and just start struggling to read.

>>17896952
You can omit を anywhere but that's not what's happening in your sentence. Also, the じゃない is a tag question ("aren't I?").

>>17896983
How do you tell when it's a question without voice intonation or the obvious? Lack of copula?

>>17896970
Its probably easier to list the media that won't have slang.
News media
wiki pages
instruction manuals
umm graded readers for children
anything else?

>>17897028
I'm reading キノの旅 and it doesn't seem to have much slang, apart from Hermes' lines. It's mostly descriptions anyway

What tone does 一体 carry as an exclamation?
Negative, surprised, depends?

>>17897021
Because of the みたい. It's not a grammatical rule, simply the only natural interpretation of the sentence.

Anyone tried WaniKani?

>>17897414
Yeah, and I liked it at first. Later on I realized how much of a waste it was.

>>17897424
>Later on I realized how much of a waste it was.
Good, I didn't want to play for it anyways.
Any other learning resources not mentioned in the guide I should know about?
I'm just reading through TaeKim and doing the occasional Memrise and Duolingo crap.

>>17896970
>You have to strike a balance between knowing when to give up on a sentence (or an entire page, or entire sequence of pages) that is just too complicated for your current abilities and knowing when to push yourself to understand a little bit extra.
My rule is to give up on a sentence and move on if I can't understand after a few careful re-reads.

Moving on from a sentence you don't understand can actually be the key to understanding it sometimes, though it may sound strange to say so. Sometimes the thing stopping you from understanding a particular sentence (or even a series of sentences) is the lack of context given in that sentence, and that missing context is sometimes filled in over the the course of the next several sentences, so by moving on and reading ahead you can sometimes get the information you need to go back to the original sentence and make sense of it.

>カラカラと氷を鳴らしながら、彼女は麦茶に口をつけ、グラスの側面を頬に当てたりもしていた。
Can someone help with the tense here, particularly with つけ and たりもしていた? Having a hard time wrapping it around ながら.

>>17897475
していた has the tense.

>>17897475
>sentence literally ends with た attached to a verb
What could possibly be so hard to understand?

I wanna get back into core since I need to get my vocabulary down.
Already did it like 2 years ago, now have ~5000 cards that I'd have to do. I should probably start the deck from zero, right?

>>17897495
I was asking if つけ took the continuative as well.

>>17897608
It's tenseless.

>>17897608
Continuative would be aspect, and つけ doesn't have aspect either.

>>17897589
No reason to use Core unless you're a complete beginner. Mining is way more efficient.

>>17897621
That's true, but I don't have the time to mine my own deck and I want to get a more broad vocabulary than what I'd get from mining.

>>17897614
Can you explain what you mean by aspect?
>>17897484
>>17897611
Conficting answers on whether it carries the past tense as well.

>>17897649
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammatical_aspect

Tense is the "reference time" with which an action is being described. Aspect is the way it interacts with time aside from just what the "reference time" is. Popular way to explain continuous and perfect to ESL students when they're reading simple stories for kids.

>>17897621
Mining is not efficient at all. It's way slower because Core already has the deck done for you. All you have to do is study it day in and day out. If you didn't do Core, you would run into the issue of recreating all of Core's cards which is waste of time because it's already been done for you.

>>17897621
>Mining is way more efficient.
I don't think it's a question of efficiency. Mining is superior because you're learning the specific vocabulary used in the sorts of material you like to read rather than some arbitrary list of words taken from decades old newspapers.

I just want to read visual novels and shitty webnovels.

>>17897659
Thanks. So the final verb simply determines the reference of time of the entire sentence, つけ being a past reference? But aspect of the final verb is not carried correct?

so I started my anki before the day rolled over (which is set to 4am by default i think) and finished afterwards
it doesn't show one for this day, but also doesn't show a missed day in the stats, seemingly. so did it just combine them or what

Can anyone confirm that the new Firefox breaks rikaisama?