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It has been half a decade since I last played any touhou fangames. What did I miss?

>>17876612
nothing i quess unless you missed genius of sappheiros or gensou maroku AKA devil of decline
even thou there might be missing gems...
is nightmare of rebellion any good thou?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVnbF3s4WB8

do you think he will deliver it next Comiket?

>>17876693
we can only hope

Why is this shit so hard?
Am I just retarded or is this game impossible without a guide?
Shame though because it's comfy af

>>17876758
Just like Etrian Odyssey, you avoid F.O.E.'s until the last possible moment. I.E. only fight them if you have to get past them to progress.

>>17876758
just grind (or spoilers)

>>17876769
Not just talking about FOE's
I just have no clue wtf I'm supposed to be doing
Currently on level 3 and despite being the same level as Komachi, I can barely get her down to 3/4 b4 losing everyone

One day Shanghai.EXE will be finished. Unfortunately that day isn't anywhere in the foreseeable future.

>>17876758
I used a guide for the bosses. I couldn't really imagine not doing it when there are a bunch of different weaknesses to figure out and rage thresholds to be aware of.

>>17876758
The production value in LoT2 was actually insane looking back on it
It had great sprite art, a full OST, unique story and decent length
Undoubtedly the best fan game in my books and I don't think we'll ever get anything quite as polished ever again

>>17876784
A lot of it has to do with affinities and elements. I admit to using the wiki to figure out a lot of the boss weaknesses.

>>17876795
cant disagree that LoT2 was full of quality but still for my opinion GoS and DeD is still par or even better than LoT & LoT2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLBf27n7_QU

>>17876813
DeD?

>>17876822
DoD, my bad

>>17876830
GoS and DoD were both good, but I took issue with the fact that the characters in DoD were essentially templates whose stats and abilities were determined by what shikigami and gear you equipped on them.

GoS's stat and skill allocation system were great.

>>17876835
well there is quite lot of shikigamis so there is crap ton of possibilities and fact is i see DoD superior to GoS even thou GoS is great but DoD have that little something that i cant clearly pinpoint...

>>17876852
The collection aspect of the game? Catching all the shikigami and being excited when you finally manage to recruit one?

>>17876830
How far along are they with the translation anyways?

>>17876795
Wish it wasn't stuck in 640*480. Super annoying.

>>17876868
well that might be it, there is rarer shikigamis after all
>>17876873
for my knowledge there is item and skill translations but nothing else

why are touhou fangames so shitty, bros? it hurts

>>17876890
Fug. Taking as long as the LoT2 Expansion. How long did it take for the LoT1 Expansion to come out after the first game was released?

>>17876693
>>17876756
If this game doesn't have erotic bad ends I will eat my dick.

>>17876566
>>17876693
>>17876756
I can't wait to play 2hu tiddy game with mario RPG combat and isometric layout. I hope there are timed button presses or something similar, because that's why mario RPG combat was fantastic.

>>17876756
that doujin was pretty fun

>>17878120
What doujin?

>>17876665
Nightmare of Rebellion is ok. Not as deep in combat as GoS but still fun and sometimes just as stupid. I sometimes feel like I am the only person on /jp/ who actually finished the expansion it got. The game was filled to the brim with DRM tho and I am not sure if people bothered to ever crack the newest versions of the game.

>>17876813

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51CB7MO32lE

Some of the soundtracks are really great.

>>17876758
LoT2 will never be finished. Highest floors never. Endless dungeon past floor 100 never, bug fixes never.

>>17876566
Give me a flat 2hu patch and I'll be interested

>>17879036
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJyYZJ-aLoo

>>17876793
It's still being worked on. It'll be finished, slowly but surely. So it's not unforeseeable.

Koki just posted yesterday about an attack from the boss that's currently being worked on. It looks like it's instant death, so that's not something I'll look forward to.

The chip artist is working on Mima.exe, but there's no proof she's going to be in Shanghai.exe.

>>17876758
>>17876784

Extremely basic tips:
Use spell cards, not basic attacks. The "Attack" command is almost always too weak to be worthwhile.
Take advantage of switching characters in and out. People in the back recover HP and MP over time. You also switch people in with (at least) 7500 ATB. So you can use a strong attack that resets ATB to 0, have someone else switch in a different attacker, and repeat.
Avoid those "FOE"s, the big red guys. I think the one on 2F is easier than most, but later on they're as difficult as bosses.
Explore every floor. There are items and characters to recruit scattered around, you absolutely don't want to miss them. Don't run from fights while doing this; let this exploration act as your grinding so you can kill two birds with one stone.

Also, get the translation patch! It'll probably make everything a lot easier to understand, and let you get working strategies.

Komachi is actually pretty hard, so don't be discouraged. Part of the problem is that she's an early mandatory boss so you can't get a full party, or find equipment with resistance to her DTH attacks.

>>17876693

>tiddy Satorin
Frickin' delete this

>>17876566
Still waiting on that game.

Meanwhile, I've been playing that touhou war game by chiyuudou and I have started Touhou Meiiden a month ago but I'm currently in an impass and I can't seem to be able to beat the full metal alchemist trio.

I played LoT a long time ago and couldn't get past Alice.

I'll try it again now that I'm less shit at JRPGs.

>>17888794
>touhou meiiden
are you playing Final version of it or some early version?

>>17879263
>Mima.exe
What's that?

>>17879057
That reminds me that the Fighting Spirit bug will never be fixed since it doesn't actually reduce the damage taken. It would've quite literally made Tank Hexer Mokou nigh-unkillable and would've made Bruiser Mokou even more viable.

>Genius of Sappheiros
>Devil of Decline
>Labyrinth of Touhou 2
>Puppet Performance
Are these the four essential Touhou doujin RPGs? Is there any older or newer game that reaches their level?

>>17893102
Nope, those are pretty much still the best you will get right now. There is also the whole group of AQUA STYLE's RPGs, one of which is actually in English on PS4, but those games are more annoying than fun overall imo.

>>17891379
Another boss character in Shanghai.exe Genso Network.

It's true that it can be hard to tell at times if what Honekaryudo, the pixel artist, is working on is going to be in a game. After looking at his twitter I feel like it's safe to assume Mima.exe is going to be in the game.

Speaking of Puppet Performance, it looks like the people working on the YnK translation patch called it quits: http://thpp.supersanctuary.net/forum/index.php?topic=819.0

It's really a shame, I would have loved to play the expansion fully translated...

>>17894283
>it looks like the people working on the YnK translation patch called it quits
As if anybody still believed there was any work being done after all this time.

>>17894283
They never did anything besides delay the project anyway. Everytime you heard something about this project it was always something like "they might still patch the game so we can't do anything yet :3"

>>17876793
Do you mean the game itself needs to be finished or the translation (Or both)? Been out of the loop on fangames for a while

>>17894283
Dammit, came in the thread looking to ask about this

>>17879057
The original game is done. I can't believe I beat it over 3 years ago and the expansion still isn't complete.

Could have made LoT3 by now.

>>17894556
The game and the translation, both of which are being worked on by the same guy.
There's also a fan translation out there, but it's in google docs format. I think it covers everything that's currently released though.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eBJbHBq9jp5VXAPODIqYErH56HUk9PvLfbRBsdiH334/edit#gid=0

>>17890876
I'm playing the gold edition that I've bought on dlsite when it was on sale a while ago.

I believe there little no difference between the two.

>>17895088
yeah was just wondering where did you get it.
most dl links were dead back in 2015-16, never found working link for first expansion.

>>17876835

It may interest you to know the PS Vita version of DoD not only includes another expansion worth of content, but also gives each party member spellcards they can use, separate from their shikigamis.

Most of the playable characters had their Last Word from previous versions re-tooled as spellcards they can use a certain number of times per mana/healing circle recharge, and received a new Last Word to compensate.

Also Sara, Satori, Tenshi and Eirin get to be playable characters.

Also also, the post post-game bosses are fuckin legit.

And speaking of the Vita, English patch for Genius of Sappheiros V when? I just HAVE to try those changes to the skill/spell allocation system. And the rebalances, which hopefully make the expansion portion of the story less of an abysmal grindfest.

>>17895262

Speaking of abysmal grindfests, two of the bosses in Vita DoD drop a ticket you can use to fight and eventually recruit any shikigami you want. It was really nice to get my Yukkuri Sisters in an hour of grinding rather than a week.

My only regret is wasting my first one on a lame shikigami due to not being able to read even a tiny bit of moonrunes.

>>17895319
Getting the king metal yukkuri was the worst thing ever. It took me 9 hours to get it.

>>17895174
I could probably upload the original trilogy on mega tomorrow if you really need it.

>>17895370

You are a much stronger man than I am. I remember giving up somewhere around 85.

I just want Touhou Soccer 2.

Last but certainly not least; all the playable characters now have a shikigami form they can switch to, and all the shikigami in the game gained a new skill/spell.

>>17895242
Freakin Vita getting all the extra stuff. QQ

>>17894283
http://clarste.tumblr.com/post/167214539686/some-people-might-care-about-this-so-i-might-as

Apparently Clarste and some other guys were planning on picking up the expansion's translation after it got cancelled.

But apparently some other group of guys (fuck if I know who they are) picked the project back up.

>>17896535
Well, that's just wonderful. There's no way these new guys will do as good a job as Clarste's guys would have done. And there's no guarantee that they would actually DO the job either.

>>17895242
And here I thought that all the cool things from the Vita version of GoS didn't hurt enough already. Or the fact that DoD's rebalanced version was a DRM-filled mess that never got uploaded.

>>17876793
If there's one thing I love about Shanghai.EXE - aside from it scratching my itch for more Megaman games - is that Koki actually adds newer characters into the cast, instead of using anything pre-DDC (since the first version was from end of 2011).

Sure, I doubt EVERYONE will get in, but I'm happy nonetheless.

>>17897501

Hell, I'm still surprised by all the additions to GoS. Beating the game and expansion for the nostalgia factor only to discover they added fucking max level versions of all the dungeons was mind blowing.

>>17898520
Is this from the vita version? I really should have bought a Vita at some point.

>>17897501
Why isn't it on Steam?
Vita? Who the fuck has a Vita?

>>17898548

Could be. Lingering Summer Heat expansion was included in the Vita version.

>>17895473
>>17898520
>>17898548
is there way for dirty gajins to get hands on vita versions or not?
i believe there is no physical copies, right?

>>17898569

Yup. Reformatting your Vita and choosing Japan as your country gives you access to the Japan store. After that all you need is to buy a PlayStation card in Yen off Playasia or something. It's pretty easy.

Don't worry, in 20 years we will have working Vita emulators and can all play the game together haha

>>17898548

My bad. You were asking if my pic was from the Vita version.Yes it is. It's a mid-boss before you fight SSJG Patchy

>>17898614
I believe your estimate is way too generous.

>>17898623
Every time I look at playable Akyuu I get mad.

>>17898614
we need a design doc leak or someone to reverse engineer the PSTV before that happens.
>>17898623
I really want to play this.

>>17898614
its more likely to them come to steam earlier than that estimate

>>17899769
Maybe some western company will pick up the PS4 versions when they are done and put them on steam.

>>17899856
lets be honest, most likely not though..
its better touhou stay "hidden" than becoming new normies biggest meme or such really, fuck steam and those who want steam versions because its too visible...

>>17899891
>...
You should stop being underage before trying to pass judgement on what's good for the series or not.

Also fuck you, GoS V absolutely needs to be on PC one way or the other.

>>17898623
What does Akyuu do? What's her gimmick?

>>17899856
NIS America picking it up and ruining it when

>>17899891
Touhou hasn't been hidden since forever so stop talking like some 14yo kid.
Then you complain about it reclining.

>>17900656
I can't wait to play The Genius of Sapphires.

>>17876566
More people need to bring up how cool Tenjou no Tempest is.

>>17900062
>>17900673
>you are underage because you want to series stay good
nice argument. you clearly dont care what consequences steam releases can have to the series, only thing you want is to play the game regardless of those consequences. every game that have gone too mainstream is gone to shit with no exceptions.

>>17901096
Who are you quoting? And no, you're an underage because you clearly are. Touhou has hit the mainstream like a dozen times by this point and absolute fuck-all happened, each and every time. Do you want to know what will happen when Touhou hits Steam? Absolute fuck-all.

>>17900924
I really like how flashy the game is.
"Knockout in Three Steps" sold me on it.

>>17900266

Akyuu is probably one of the most addicting character designs I've ever seen. Her gimmick is that she gains zero stats or abilities from leveling. Instead, her stats and abilities increase in relation to how many members of each monster family she gets the killing blow on.

Each monster family is tied to different things. For example; she gains HP/MP based on certain milestones in the Dragon family, and gains magical attacks based on the Magician family.

Dragons - HP/MP
Foreign Gods - Divine Barrier
Spirits - HP/MP regen
Giants - Strength
Youkai - Intellect
Magicians - Magical Attacks
Warriors - Physical attacks
Tsukumoni - Resistance
Birbs - Agility
Beasts - Evasion
Lizards - Dexterity
Undead - Induction
Bugs - Status magic
Ghosts - Vitality
Aquarian - Support magic
Plants - Potential
Non-type - Party wide boosts(exp/pow/ect...)

>>17902063
>Non-type - Party wide boosts(exp/pow/ect...)
Hold it, so if I have Akyuu get the killing blow on a type-less monster, that translates into enhanced EXP gain for the entire party?

>>17901885
>>17900924
Tempest has style in droves. That gong sound is mayo in my pants every time.

Helps that I like Tenko, too, probably.

>>17902322

Yea. It's nothing OP though. Maybe like a 7% bonus to exp/pow/item drops total.

It's nice to have since Akyuu makes a great commander. She can heal everyone or attack the enemy using one of her bombs. Both scale in power in relation to her combined strength and intelligence.

>>17876566
At least post the latest.

>>17902396
Remind me why all those wonderful things aren't on PC yet.

>>17901885

I really liked how bosses use more difficult spell cards in relation to how well you're playing. Real-time, dynamic response to players is something this generation of game developers really need to get in on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2PhpyZBjao

>>17902424
I wonder if they made more money by putting it on Vita.

If only multiplayer games like Meddlesome Magician, Detonate on Sound, Touhou Sky Arena and Gensou Sky Drift has good netplay for westerners. They are legit fun games, but I can only get so much from playing alone.

>>17906169
I reckon playing meddlesome magician (not sure if the version 1 or 2) with my friends using hamachi though we had network issues at that time. May be worth trying again sometimes.

>>17906169
Magical Battle Arena NEXT has good netplay.

>>17876612
>>17893102
You missed this.

https://youtu.be/ujLlm2U7-TQ
https://youtu.be/XqfCJ0YIft0
https://youtu.be/6CmZXWIV0zY

Fantasy Maiden Wars was completely solid as a series and the last game came out earlier this year.

>>17906264
They didn't miss anything, the Gensou Shoujo Taisen games are fucking garbage. You can get more actual gameplay and less RNGshit from fucking gacha.

>>17902414
>>17888559
>>17876756
>>17876693

http://www.dlsite.com/maniax/announce/=/product_id/RJ212756

Can Satori even have any use in LoT2? She's complete garbage.

>>17876566
and mamizou is apparently the only 2hu where he can reign it in.

>>17908433
I never found any reason to use her. Same for Kokoro.

>>17908433
Some characters have ridiculous spell multipliers to make up for their low stats. Narrow confines of Avici is 400% MAG - 100% T.MND, but Komachi has a terrible mag stat so it never does any damage. Composite skills are also good candiates; fantasy seal is 180%(ATK + MAG) - 75% T.MND.

That said, I never bothered to use her myself either. But presumably she just needs to be paired with someone with a good formula.

>>17907806
today is a good day

>>17906316
>You can get more actual gameplay and less RNGshit from fucking gacha.
To be perfectly honest, the whole RNG thing is more of a problem with the Turn-based SRPG genre, rather than with the fangame itself.

>inb4 you come and cherrypick 1 or 2 games nobody has ever fucking heard about, but are the exception in a genre that has +400 games that feature a similar RNG system.
>inb4 who are you quoting

>>17911981
That's not how you use the quoting function. But what can you expect from some crossboarder who defends that garbage.

>>17908527
Oh no. This Tanuki is doing something to me.

>>17906316
>You can get more actual gameplay and less RNGshit from fucking gacha.
And this is the point you can be utterly disregarded.

If you think that level of RNG is anything worth even caring about over the effort put into the overall thing then you just need to stop playing videogames altogether.

But I don't expect anyone who brings up gachashit as a comparison would know better.

>>17912031
You know what? You're right. How stupid of me to want actually good, skill-based gameplay in my... you know... videogame! What I REALLY should have been evaluating is all the pretty shiny wow wow special effects and all the secondary memes and all the le bouncy aneemay tiddies! Who even plays games for anything else, anyhow.

>>17911990
I'm starting to think that "crossboarder" has turned into a fucking buzzword at this point.

At this point, everyone in /jp/ must think like you, and if anyone disagrees they must be crossboarders, or am I wrong?

>>17912115
>How stupid of me to want actually good, skill-based gameplay
Well, yeah, it's pretty fucking stupid if you were expecting "skill-based gameplay" in a turn-based game; which, you know, aren't exactly famous for requiring the player to have high skill or fast reflexes, that much should be obvious.

>What I REALLY should have been evaluating is all the pretty shiny wow wow special effects
If you just prefer text appearing on-screen telling you how much damage you caused and received you can just turn-off the animations.

>and all the secondary memes
What secondary memes? Name me at least 5 in the main story of at least the first game.
Unless you just mean the dumb jokes and puns spouted by joke enemies like Kedamas that only appear early-game. In that case just turn-off the animations.

>and all the le bouncy aneemay tiddies!
That only applies for Keine and Meiling in the 1st game (in cut-ins that last only half a second), it was heavily toned down in later games and no other characters have anything remotely similar on those games. And even then, Keine and Meiling got far better finishers in later games.
But then again, just turn-off the animations.

The games themselves have pretty good gameplay(Well, at least the 3rd and 4th one. I'll admit that the first 2 are archaic.), you just hate it because you have a problem with the genre itself.

>>17912311
Other games like Disgaea, Trails in the Sky or hey, Genius of Sappheiros, actually require skill to beat. Do they have RNG? Yes, but it's not to the point where you have to savescum the same move 18 times to land a hit once at 98% accuracy, while the enemy lands it every time at 2%, and half that time packing a critical to boot. And yes, this has happened and it's indefensible fucking bullshit. At least in GoS if an item gives me star resistance to poison or whatever, then it will actually visibly make poison hit me a lot less often than otherwise.

>just turn-off the animations.
Does it turn off all the RNGshit if I do? Besides, if I turn off all the fireworks then the game would be shit, according to how you evaluate games, because then all the superflous shiny shit to trick retards into thinking what they're playing isn't trash would be gone. Meanwhile, it wouldn't improve the game any according to how I do it, because I'd still be playing RNGshit: The Game and praying to every deity that this so-called 94% accuracy attack actually hits what I'm targetting. It works about 99% of the time[*].

[*] FMW measurements, not real life ones.

>The games themselves have pretty good gameplay
wwwwww
Play more games. Doesn't have to be just SRPGs.

>>17902424
They were. Everyone just pirated them to oblivion and now they have nowhere to go but consoles.

>>17912147
You can tell by the quick insults and eagerness to show he has superior taste in gaming where he actually came from.

>>17912431
Not him, but
>Savescumming to land hits and because the RNG is fucking you.
Really nigga? There's are spirit commands for a reason.

Also there are not many reasons to savescum outside of battles like Yuuka's, which you ain't meant to beat in the first place; the game outright calls you a cheater/gameover grinder if you beat her.


Also, the only valid comparison you gave was Disgaea, comparing FMW to Trials in the Sky or GoS is like trying to judge a Hack and Slash game by a 2D fighting games standards.

FMW was never trying to be like any those games. In case you haven't noticed by the name and countless Gundam references, it's trying to be like Super Robot Wars.
Most of the gameplay and design decisions in FMW originate from SRW.

>>17912977
Sounds like someone doesn't have an argument. And I just have to say, those are some wonderful implications coming from someone defending grievous misuse of quotes.

>>17913049
>There's are spirit commands for a reason.
Oh yeah, the thing that runs out really quickly. And that you can't readily replenish mid-battle. That thing, right? Did you forget how long some of those battles are? Not a bad thing in and of itself, mind you, but if you're going to use spirit commands to fight the RNG then you're going to lose.

>Also there are not many reasons to savescum
RNGshit is plenty reason. Not that I expect you to understand, at this point.

The point of the comparison is that those games are all turn-based and proper positioning is a big deal (just as a refresher, GoS has the Formations, which can make or break a battle right from the word go). That much they share with FMW. The difference starts with the fact that they aren't actively trying to hamper your fun under the guise of "uhhh bad luck breh".

Also, those things you said at the bottom there, they are all really stupid. So fucking what if the messed-up design is stolen from some other game series? The only thing it means is that the origin series is trash only good for flashy effects too. Mega Mari stole the blueprints from Megaman and it didn't turn out horrible (or so I hear, at least).

anyone remember 東方地底ダイブ?

>>17913195
The mamanyonyo one? I played nightmare of sleeping girl instead.

>>17913162
What difficulty did you play the game at? Unless it's Lunatic your hit/dodge rate shouldn't be so bad that you can't land nor dodge most atacks every single turn against every boss.
Did you upgrade your units' mobility and equipped items to increase hit/dodge rate? Are you focusing to minimize the mobility penalties?

If the hit/dodge rate is your only problem with the gameplay then it's not that hard to fix.

Do you also think Fire Emblem and X-COM are RNGshit?

>>17913204
oh nice, hadn't heard of that one

>>17913162
>Oh yeah, the thing that runs out really quickly.
Well, they are meant to be a small help to temporarily cover for some of the characters biggest weaknesses, not meant to be permanent upgrades.
For example Komachi who is fucking almost blind. If you activate Strike, for a whole turn all of her attacks will hit

>And that you can't readily replenish mid-battle
But they actually CAN be restored. Just not on the first game mind you.

If you deploy Minoriko and survives the end of each chapter she'll give you a free items that can restore SP.
Sakuya gives you tea that can also restore 30 SP too.
There's also 2 other items that restore 60 SP and 20 and +10 power respectively.
Mokou has a personal skills that restores all of her SP under special conditions.
Yuyuko has like 4 different methods of restoring SP for herself
Toyohime can restore the 50 SP of her pair once per chapter.
Shinki can has SP regen and receives 25SP at the end of every single turn while having a whole set of spirits that help the team by giving them easy Strikes and Yells and providing with a 5-spaces barrier that reduces all damage for her and her allies by 500 damage.

This only tells me that you never fucking played past the first game.
Especially becase of
>but if you're going to use spirit commands to fight the RNG then you're going to lose.
But that's literally the only fucking way you are going to beat some of the latter bosses in the last games.
Good fucking luck beating characters that can move and use MAP attacks several times per turn, completely nullify your damage completely and remove your actions without fucking using personal abilities and Spitir commands.
At that point in the game not even perfect RNG can save you.

>>17913306
It's visually better but has much less characters. It only goes up until IN plus Suika.
Nightmare of Sleeping Girl made me realize I want more 2hu games like that. If by some divine luck the creator decided to make a sequel with more characters I'd be fucking ecstatic. Kitano's artworks are also lovely.

>>17913264
>What difficulty did you play the game at?
Normal. Or the Normal equivalent that's present, it's been a while.
>Did you upgrade your units' mobility and equipped items to increase hit/dodge rate?
As I recall, that shit is seriously expensive to the point where you won't be able to afford enough to make a difference unless you perfect-play everything in the first place. So there's that.
Items? lol. The item system is rubbish. You have to basically scrounge the entire map and make battles even longer and the possibility of failure higher. And you may not even GET to explore every single little square of the map before the monotony gets the better of you and you accidentally counter-attack to death whatever enemies remain. It's just a pain in the ass all around unless you have a guide, and if I have to use a guide for a game then the enjoyability goes down immensely.

You know what would have been a better system? Label the squares with items (like how Jeanne d'Arc does it), but place them in dangerous or annoying locations. I can't blame the game for missing items that would have made it bearable if I knew they were there but made the choice not to grab them. Well I guess I can still do that due to guides but again, I shouldn't NEED a guide.
>Are you focusing to minimize the mobility penalties?
That didn't have that much of an effect from what I can remember. Not only in the percentages themselves, but there's also the fact that even if it makes dodging easier, you still take damage from it. And you have the enemies that can kill you in one hit, like Flandre, so reducing damage to 10% (?) is not that much help. In the end it boils down to a choice between a fast death and a slow death.
To be positive though, it's a nice system in theory and I'm sure it would have been awesome if the RNG wasn't so fucked.

>Do you also think Fire Emblem and X-COM are RNGshit?
Haven't played them, though I do have the X-COM games on my backlog.

>>17913362
I know that, I'm not the one that raised the point of Spirit Commands being the anti-RNG vaccine.

>This only tells me that you never fucking played past the first game.
Of course not, I hate the first game's guts. And considering you mentioned nothing about the sadistic RNG seed being nuked away for the second game onwards, what incentive do I have to play the others? I'd rather try to NMNB LoLK Lunatic blindfolded.

>>17902063
so it's like Pokemon, then? level up different stats when you kill different monsters?

>>17913408
>The item system is rubbish. You have to basically scrounge the entire map and make battles even longer and the possibility of failure higher.
Now that's a lie. The only item in the first game you ever get from exploring the map is one, 3 total across all 4 games, the rest of the items are guaranteed drops from the enemies that you are going to kill anyway, and bosses assuming you don't just time out their spellcards.

Maybe you just have shit luck when it comes to RNG

>>17913408
>>17913466

So. I've played Most of the SRPGs mentioned in this thread. I'm going to play FMW for a few hours, and then come back to say which one of you I think is wrong. Personally, I think it's going to be this dude >>17913408, since "RNGshit" is what I hear from a lot from Cawadoody fanboys who try JRPGs.

>>17913408
>>17913466

So. I've played Most of the SRPGs mentioned in this thread. I'm going to play FMW for a few hours, and then come back to say which one of you I think is wrong. Personally, I think it's going to be this dude >>17913408, since "RNGshit" is what I hear a lot from Cawadoody fanboys who try JRPGs.

Why is adventure of scarlet curiosity so high requirement. My portable toaster can run gta4 no probs but sucks at handling anything more than medium graphics quality and resolution, and still lags sometimes at lower resolution.

>>17913466
I could be wrong, like I said, it's been a while. The only two memories I have of "items" existing in the game was when I found one in the Patchouli boss stage when I wanted to see if you could go up the stairs. The other memory was reading that there were more items hiding like that but not in obvious spots like that and thinking "fuck that shit". Does the game actually tell you when you find one of those guaranteed drops? I can't remember.

I wouldn't be surprised it was just my luck, but it never got to the point it does in FMW when I played other RPGs.

>>17914092
Are you done yet? Because you missed the part where the RNG is only a huge issue for me in these games. I can and have played La Pucelle or what have you just fine.

Though I may replay it myself sometime and put every single last penny I get into mobility upgrades for everybody just to see how much that improves things. Maybe that was the secret trick all along and I didn't know it.

>>17914658

First impressions:

Hard mode: Fun and challenging. At first I was a little off-put due to failing the first map my first try. However, I adapted by waiting till the third turn to engage the enemies, doubling the effectiveness of Nitori's guard ability since it let her tank/retaliate against 6 attacks with a single use, and using Marisa's 6 range laser to out-space Momi allowed me to clear the first map and it's bonus objective without using my healing item. This same kind of thinking carried over into the next maps.

Normal mode: No advanced tactics or knowledge of spawn locations required for victory. If you find this challenging, you might want to re-consider the core aspects of your approach to SRPGs.

The RNG in this game is in no way overtunned. Just like every single Super Robot Wars game: effective use of spirits, spacing, timing, and items combined with a solid understanding of strategy games in general will always see a player through the mission.

I won't say you need to "git gud", since you're clearly an experienced SRPG player. I will say you need to Git Better. Similar to playing a SMUP game on normal, the normal setting on FMW Scarlet was pretty much an auto-pilot experience that only asks for a solid grasp of the fundamentals.

Definitely going to play through to the end on hard though. Totally forgot this series existed.

>>17914438
Some doujin games are horribly unoptimized, I recall GoS running like shit until DoD came out with a better engine, which was then ported to GoS.

>>17916392
It had memory leaks.

>>17916392
GoS also used to crash constantly and it took them up till they released the expansion to finally remove those crashes.

Do later FMW games not suck?

The first one's so very rough around the edges and having really questionable design decisions and a big pile of utterly useless units.

I mean the Focus mechanic sounds great... until you realize you can't Dodge EVER and just are bleeding health at an absurd rate.

Since taking damage % directly matching enemy accuracy is really really stupid.

Also do you eventually get a Capital Ship Analog for refill/rearm? as one of my biggest problems in FMW1 is that no items for resupply that can really show up and unless you give Daiyousei WP your healer can run out of healing.

I heard they're remaking FMW1 so it's more similar to the later games, any word on that?

>>17918923
Also the units which are supposed to fit the tank archetype (slow as fuck) just have no armor and no health to match their shitty attack and mobility.

>>17918923

All the games fit the same basic mold. If you think the first game sucks, you might want to find a different series to play.

>>17918955
It's more feeling like a lot of the mechanics needed tweaks as I got a bad feeling it's got a balance issue of SRW3 back on the SNES where it's just bullshit hard early on then gets trivial as everyone's stats go ballistic for the characters who don't suck

>>17919039

I'm not sure what to tell you. I'm playing on hard and not having any of those issues. Maybe try giving the later games a try and see if you experience the same problems

>>17918923
The later games start giving you more money and PP to the point where only lategame bosses and Danmaku fields will give you trouble.

You also get more support units in the second game and a ship in the third.

Dai is your second best healer once you give her SP Up and level up Purity and she shouldn't run out of healing unless she's dead.

I started a fresh playthrough of NIghtmare of Sleeping Girl just yesterday because I lost my old save file. I forgot how annoying the early parts of this game were, when you have almost no characters and no items to give anyone more range or speed.

>>17920196
Yea I fed her the WP for it, no clue why you need to give her points to get something that should be there by default to be honest.

The support units are really what I was needing as well Marisa can quickly become useless once she's out of energy and there isn't any energy regen worth a damn that I can see so far.

>>17919103
They translated or entirely in moon? Remember there was something about Encrypted files making translating a bitch

>>17923105
>Encrypted files making translating a bitch
Why do translators keep bothering with static files when it's much easier to do translations at run time by modifying RAM? Encryption doesn't mean anything at that point and neither will updates that force them to redo everything.

>>17918923
>The first one's so very rough around the edges and having really questionable design decisions and a big pile of utterly useless units.
Fortunately, from the second game and onwards you keep recruiting more and more characters as chapters progress (unlike the first game, where you stop recruiting characters after like the first 6 or 7 chapters).

By the last game every unit in the game (outside of Komachi and to a certain extent Sakuya who both got shafted) is pretty fucking good, that or at least they have a few niches to make themselves useful.
There IS a big powertrip between recruitable characters in the 3rd and 4th game, who completely overshadow the characters from the first 2 games in terms of usefulness, I ain't gonna lie.

>I mean the Focus mechanic sounds great... until you realize you can't Dodge EVER and just are bleeding health at an absurd rate.
>Since taking damage % directly matching enemy accuracy is really really stupid
I'm not sure in which game it was introduced, but there IS a skill that you can buy that reduces graze damage up to a 75%, which is pretty useful if Graze damage really bothers you. (Not like you should be expecting Supers like Meiling or Keine to dodge, defending from attacks works out much better for them anyway.)
Also, as a small tip you might already know, you shouldn't be using focus too much. Outside of danmaku fields the only benefit you get from focusing is a 10% accuracy bonus and also a decrease in EXP obtained.

>Also do you eventually get a Capital Ship Analog for refill/rearm?
You’ll get both Koakuma and Minoriko in the second game who can restore you MP and Ammo. You also get Lily White, who heals less than Dai, but has a personal skill that passively restores 25%/35% of the max health of the units positions in the 8 squares around her. And in the third game you get Eirin can fully heal/refill all of the HP/MP and Ammo of a single unit at a time.


>as one of my biggest problems in FMW1 is that no items for resupply that can really show up
>and unless you give Daiyousei WP your healer can run out of healing.
That reminds me, some of the stuff that the 2nd game improved from the first one:
You don’t get penalized anymore if you a unit dies in the chapter
Consumable items restore themselves at the end of each chapter
And Personal Skills are no longer tied to WP, but you unlock skills for each character as they level up.

Instead, WP and their levels are used to give character small upgrades (as in 1 extra upgrade in HP, MP, Mobility, Armor and Weapon power). But if by the 4th and final game , if any unit reaches Wife level 10 which requires 1000 WP points (In a perfect run you can get a maximum of 1140 points), it gains all of the following bonuses immediately:
>Unit gets one extra action
>EXP, PP, Points obtained +50%
>Max SP +100
>Max Power +30
And you also get to choose 2 of these bonuses
>Item slot +1 (does not exceed 4)
>Final damage +10%
>Weapon range +2 (except MAPs), movement +2, focused movement +1
>Unit restores 50% MP and ammunition on every turn
>Unit restores 20% SP on every turn

And while you >>17920196 already invested some WP, luckily save transferring from the first to the second game gives you back the Max WP you could have gotten in a perfect run (175). Though this won’t happen again in the save transfer of later games.

>>17923213
>and also a decrease in EXP obtained.
Oh wow, and people still claim these shitfests are good.

>>17923320
You need to focus in later games unless you are overleveling or not playing on hard/lunatic, as many of the danmaku effects will completely destroy you and render things like evasion meaningless. the only alternative is to bomb which is bad for more than one reason. I don't hate the focus mechanic myself, it does remove a degree of randomness from the game and you can make risk reward analysis where you switch between high speed to focus.

>>17923213
is it a good idea to start from the most recent one

>>17923650
>is it a good idea to start from the most recent one
Honestly I wouldn't recommend it because:
1.- The final game translation is still a work-in-progress.
2.- Story-wise you are going to be extremely lost.
3.- Even if you don't care about the story, you will need to know a little bit of japanese at least to navigate through the menus.
4.- You will miss out on some of the bonus items you get from save-transfering from the past games .
For example:
The bonus item for completing the 1st game gives you a 10% extra damage for 1 unit.
The bonus item for completing the 2nd game reduces the SP costs of a unit by 20%.
The bonus item for completing the 3rd game gives you a unit an extra turn after killing an enemy.
5.- If you plan on jumping straight to this one, you should at least have a little bit of experience with the Super Robot Wars series; as even the bosses from early game can be pretty fucking brutal; the game assumes you already have some experience with these types of games. And is also much harder than the actual SRW games.

I would tell you to begin these games in order, but the fact that the original game feels too archaic and unoptimized might turn you off like with that other anon.
The second game could be a decent starting point too, as it fixes a lot of the problems from the first game and is actually the easiest game on the series. You might be a little lost story-wise, but it won't be a really severe case like with the latter games.

Regardless of what game you choose to begin with, here are the translation patches for the games.
http://akurasu.net/wiki/Gensou_Shoujo_Wars/Translation
The games themselves shouldn't be too hard to find.

>>17923650
>is it a good idea to start from the most recent one
Honestly I wouldn't recommend it because:
1.- The final game translation is still a work-in-progress.
2.- Story-wise you are going to be extremely lost.
3.- Even if you don't care about the story, you will need to know a little bit of japanese at least to navigate through the menus.
4.- You will miss out on some of the bonus items you get from save-transfering from the past games .
For example:
The bonus item for completing the 1st game gives you a 10% extra damage for 1 unit.
The bonus item for completing the 2nd game reduces the SP costs of a unit by 20%.
The bonus item for completing the 3rd game gives a unit an extra turn after killing an enemy.
5.- If you plan on jumping straight to this one, you should at least have a little bit of experience with the Super Robot Wars series; as even the bosses from early game can be pretty fucking brutal; the game assumes you already have some experience with these types of games. And is also much harder than the actual SRW games.

I would tell you to begin these games in order, but the fact that the original game feels too archaic and unoptimized might turn you off like with that other anon.
The second game could be a decent starting point too, as it fixes a lot of the problems from the first game and is actually the easiest game on the series. You might be a little lost story-wise, but it won't be a really severe case like with the latter games.

Regardless of what game you choose to begin with, here are the translation patches for the games.
http://akurasu.net/wiki/Gensou_Shoujo_Wars/Translation
The games themselves shouldn't be too hard to find.

>>17924065
i don't need translations, don't care too much about the story, and like a challenge, guess the 2nd is a good place to start though

>>17923213
>and also a decrease in EXP obtained.
Who thought that was a good idea?

I was often versus bosses using Focus so I'd actually have units hit things as enemy evasion was so high. And Even then Reimu and Marisa were shit at dodging. And the tanky characters just don't have enough armor to provide halfway decent protection.

Still excellent post

The entire Wifepoint system in the first game just made me wonder why would they wall off basic skills behind SPECIAL CONDITIONS which often were all but impossible.

>>17914734
>>17918923
>>17923213

Final thoughts after beating the game:

Hard: Fairly decent power scaling up until Sakuya's Private Square bullshit and Remilia going full Ultra Instinct. I really wasn't feeling up for grinding points, so I save scummed her last spellcard. Sooo yea I guess I'll concede that to you Mr. >>17914658: there are portions of hard(and presumably lunatic) mode that I think are very much unbalanced.

Normal: No such trouble. Still had quite a few game overs to Remilia and Flandre. Nothing too crazy though.

>>17925990
Didn't he have this shit on Namek?

>>17876566

/jp/ I need your help! I don't know where the recipes for Azoth, Ultima weapon and the others are, please help me!

>>17927359

I think I got the last recipes form Akyu as well.

>>17878630
https://exhentai.org/g/897915/33f69433b7/

>>17902414
What's the word on this game? Is it good?

I'd better not be the only fucker who played this mess.

>>17933291
There's a dedicated thread

>>17915154

>>17927359
Doesn't the wiki list them all? GoS has one of the best pages on that wiki.

Damn I forgot how imbalanced this game was with the character costs. Why does Remilia have 2.5 cost factor and no stats to make up for that

>>17935078
Character cost isn't that big of a deal since the dream stages don't have a cost limit. It's easy enough to use a bunch of high-cost characters for them if so desired.

Remilia is still pretty damn weak, though, even if you just look at her level and the XP it takes to get her there. It would be nice if she at least had high Talent or something.

>>17933820
appreciated!

>>17935759
It's more annyoing in general because you can pretty much never field them in the regular stage since they cost more than twice as much as other untis.

>>17935078
>>17939825

My strategy involved loading up Remi and Mokou with every single slot filled with defense/magic defense and sending them out alone. I used them to hold of the enemies for a few turn, then switched them out to bring in my low cost strike team to advance the map a few turns.

post 2hu fangame OSTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-WNwlOLuhg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VASooWFquj8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oh3J1eO4oE
cant pinpoint this last one, sounds like it is from LoT1 but cant find other version or i might be blind.
Can someone confirm if it is from LoT1?

>>17941247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9WWL00shg4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEwHzHSgcD0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne5PEb5AyeY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWe4LUGe9iU

>>17941247
LoT 1's original music was all free stuff. I just checked the soundtrack and I'm not hearing that last track. However there's a ton of similar ones, so they probably both used music from the same guy. Just not the same exact tracks.

>>17941301
good stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROUPxr3LrUc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL383Q02yE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8DjIiY9CV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66Y77Y7y1jA

>>17941247
You forgot this:
https://youtu.be/XrKHu7qxSfQ

>>17941599
sadly, but atleast i remembered the best one

>>17941247
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0bJltGjwqI
This BGM will never stop making me excited, and I'm still completely in love with how it doesn't get cut off when you get into a battle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoNbeS8nPns
DoD's battle theme for the final part of the last dungeon also gets me pumped up, but in a different way.
Holy fuck I love these two games so much

So do I just play GoS and DoD on PC, or do I wait for the off-chance I can play them on the Vita some day?

>>17941901
If portability is important then keep hoping they release it on the Vita. Otherwise just play them on PC. Or you can get a GPD Win and start playing now.

>>17941247
Last one is in Phantasmagoria Trues Yuuka boss fight, and I believe PT's soundtrack is also free stuff.

>>17941901
Just play on PC. They will never release them for the west to download on Vita and Vita will never be emulated at this rate.

>>17941901
>>17941928
>>17942454

See >>17898589 you nerds.

Do not play the damn PC version. Vita is so much better

>>17941576

Tower boss battle theme 2 : Devil of Chaos is probably my second favorite BGM ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TLlAPd0Qag

Holy fuck I can't wait for Nightmare of Rebellion to come out for Vita. Got cucked out playing the expansion be the fucking anti-theft system.

>>17942489
Personally I'd rather play a game in an easily-accessible platform in a language I understand than wait forever until I can play it in Japanese on a weird portable gaming device.
GoS and DoD are perfectly amazing on PC so there's no need to hold out on them. In fact, you'll only enjoy them even more if your playthroughs of their Vita versions aren't your first runs.

>>17943699

All perfectly valid point except for this

>weird portable gaming device

PS vita's library, graphics, and usability are all SS tier. Definitely a sound investment as far as consoles go.

>>17943834
>PS vita's library, graphics, and usability are all SS tier.
I agree on graphics and usability but the vita's library is far from even S tier.