/jp/ - Otaku Culture

I finally decided to try Anki after 3 or so months of reading and my retention after less than a week is already at <70%.

I'm finding it really difficult to remember words outside their context. When all I have is two or three characters on a screen, it just doesn't "feel" like a word to me and the meaning and sound don't stick at all.

Any advice?

>ごく稀に娼婦が天職だと言う女もいるが、それは娼婦になる前から頭がいかれていただけだ。

What is this saying? "There are women who say it's rare to become a prostitute, but that's before they lose their mind and become one."?

今晩、 パーティ がある

でも、終日漫画を読みたい

どうしようかな。。。

>>17872004
Very rarely there are prostitutes who say being a prostitute was their calling in life, those prostitutes were already crazy before becoming protitutes

>>17871993
70% for your first week isn't bad I think. It'll be easier once you build some vocab.
Are you using a premade deck or mining your own words? If the latter, add the sentence in the card so you have some context.

>>17872039
Thanks a lot.

xth for get your fucking sleep in order

https://science.slashdot.org/story/17/11/06/2327251/sleep-deprivation-disrupts-brain-cell-communication-study-finds

why is that one area in honshu called 中国 when china is already called 中国?

>炭酸飲料は瓶とグラスを出せばよく、フロートと呼ばれるもののときだけアイスを浮かべる（“風呂”を模しているのか？）。
Is the よく here being used in the sense with the conditional, "when you take out soda alongside a bottle and glass, it's often (used as) ..."?

>>17872056
>70% for your first week isn't bad I think.
It's closer to 65%.

>Are you using a premade deck or mining your own words?
A mining deck... sort of. My goal right now is to build up enough vocabulary to move away from J-E dictionaries and onto J-J dictionaries, so to that end I've been mining words from J-J dictionary definitions of words I already know. The theory goes that there will be a common range of words used in Japanese dictionaries in the defining of other words, and that once I learn these words I should be able to stop using J-E dictionaries.

>If the latter, add the sentence in the card so you have some context.
Since I'm not mining words from actual sentences, there are no sentences for me to add.

>>17872079
Just drink fish oil to counter it.

Early update to http://djt.netlify.com (previous update was >>17853393). Thanks to anon for エロマンガ先生, 終末なにしてますか and 東京レイヴンズ. I also added Wikipedia links/romanizations to author names when available from Wikidata.
[あざの耕平] 東京レイヴンズ
[上野友行] ヤクザライフ
[今野敏] 任侠病院 (任侠シリーズ)
[伊坂幸太郎] ＡＸ アックス
[伏見つかさ] エロマンガ先生
[小島ゆかり] 和歌で楽しむ源氏物語 女はいかに生きたのか
[春口裕子] 隣に棲む女
[白鳥士郎] りゅうおうのおしごと!
[皆川博子] 少女外道
[辻村深月] 鍵のない夢を見る
[枯野瑛] 終末なにしてますか？忙しいですか？救ってもらっていいですか？ (+1-2)
Download: https://djtguide.neocities.org/djtlib_link.txt

>>17872173
Thanks for your work!

今日も一日がんばるみょん～

A past thread had a link to a study about Japanese/Chinese and dyslexia, but I can't find it in the archive. Can anyone help me out?

>meaning of kanji
at least she still BTFOs RTKfags

>どっちも許してくれないだろうし。。。
>不意をついてやるならどっちだ

"She probably won't allow me to... But if I catch her off guard?!"

I'm sure the sentence means something close to above, but what is the function of どっち(も)?

>>17872664
Option 1: 撮影
Option 2: パンツを拝む

My first attempt at translating something. My kanji and vocabulary is shit but I think I've got these two sentences mostly done. Japanese is time consuming and tough. I admire you wonderful faggots for being so far ahead of me. Forgive me if I'm sappy. I'm pretty drunk.

>>17872673
Ohh, thank you.

"She probably won't allow both... If I catch her off guard, which [should I do]?!"

>>17872413
Based on the summary, it seems to be missing the point. I'm doing vocab and kanji simultaneously so I'm not in much defense of RTK, but I don't imagine it would hamper your ability to pick up readings later, I just imagine it being more difficult to learn them without vocab for more associations in the first place. I wouldn't endorse memorizing readings by themselves, though.
As for overly complex mnemonics, I definitely think they can be harmful. My strategy is to put the mnemonics in hints, and only even look when I forget the kanji and am going to hit again whether the mnemonic reminds me or not. If it isn't helping, I change it. A lot of the time, I don't even learn it in the first place, so I don't waste time coming up with a better/personal one.

Sorry guys I didn't read today

>>17872804
thats ok you can subsist with excellent english translations

>>17872164
Anki is not a necessary step towards J-J dictionaries. They are almost entirely self-explanatory. Read as many entries as you need to achieve full comprehension from a starting point. In a month or two the language used in most entries will become readily intelligible to you, so the dictionary will again be useful as a quick reference to look up singular words instead of having you start another journey to read 10 different entries to clarify one.

>>17872139
Because it's the centre part of the country. lrn 2 kanji.

>>17872895
If you're suggesting what I think you're suggesting, using J-J definitions to understand J-J definitions is an active waste of time. There is zero purpose to it.

>>17872923
How is it a waste of time if it works? "Zero purpose"? You could have left it at "inefficient" and I wouldn't have cared, but now you got me replying.

>>17872928
You don't gain anything by looking up words in J-J definitions in a J-J dictionary instead of a J-E one until you reach extremely advanced vocabulary, like technical jargon. I know AJATT shills using the J-J dictionary even for looking up words in J-J definitions, but it's wrong. Simple words, which are more likely to be used in definitions, have the most difficult definitions themselves.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/eye

>Each of a pair of globular organs of sight in the head of humans and vertebrate animals.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/globular

>Globe-shaped; spherical.

>>17872936
I did not say you need to start with J-J dictionaries from scratch; that anon certainly isn't.
Most entries in Daijirin aren't written as obtusely. Here's for 目 (め), the type of entry liable to be defined with difficult terms:

>光の刺激を受けとる感覚器。脊椎動物では眼球・視神経からなり，外界から入った光は角膜・瞳孔・水晶体を通り硝子体を経て網膜に達し，その間に屈光体によって屈折されて網膜に像を結ぶ。頭足類や昆虫も物体の像を認めうる目をもつが，無脊椎動物には，発達段階に応じて，光の方向のみを認めるもの，明暗のみを認めるものなどがみられる。まなこ。

Sure, you may as well skip all that is past the first sentence, but the first sentence is easy enough to be understood at an early intermediate stage. Most entries are defined in a much simpler manner.

I agree relying on J-J is unhelpful when you are dealing with technical vocabulary as it usually has a direct correspondence to something in English (脊椎動物 is basically "vertebrate animals", that's the most efficient way to remember it), being more of a thing of its field rather than a particular language.

But for the most part, things are defined with common words. You're going to see 光, 刺激, 受けとる, 感覚, even 器 (き) in anything you read, any VN, any other YA fiction. It is not a waste of time to come to know the world through these terms.

>>17872936
Not him and I'm not there yet, but I've generally thought this sounds right and am curious how you would suggest breaking it down. Just as simple as J-E for all words inside J-J definitions of your normal mined vocab?
I'm also curious if you have any input on what word count to reach before J-J, since you don't push AJATT-level J-J as is common, but understand that's rarely agreed on and hard to say.

>>17872996
As long as you don't think beginners or intermediates should use J-J dictionaries recursively there isn't much to say.

>>17872997
You should only spend as much time in dictionaries as is necessary to comprehend whatever you're reading. But for anki cards in particular you should have as simple of definitions as possible to make it take as little time as possible to do reviews.

>>17872996
Someone who has to look up 目 wouldn't be able to read that definition, dumbass.

>>17872776
I read the report in full. The research team selected college students from a standard 6 hour/week Japanese course and gave them a list of kanji to memorize in their spare time. They tested recollection periodically and drew their conclusions from that. I can only assume that most of them put in far less effort than DJT would consider adequate. Poor Jacob for example memorized all of the 常用漢字 without reading or studying any kind of vocabulary and was flummoxed when he found himself unable to read words.

Bless your heart DJT, for there truly are wrong ways to learn Japanese. How many of us were Jacobs in the making until we saw your shining light?

>>17873015
>As long as you don't think beginners or intermediates should use J-J dictionaries recursively there isn't much to say.
I don't think anyone should do something, it's just something that works, based on my own experience, and it doesn't take too much time to get comfortable with it. If you want to have a debate on maximal possible efficiency of a given method, I don't care.

>>17873017
It's that guy using English "eye" as an example of a lookup, even though I made my original post in the context of replying to someone who probably does know what the basic meaning of 目 is. I just went to the corresponding entry to show that Daijirin writes common explanations using common terms before going technical.

I get that you never stop learning grammar and all that, but would all the grammar taught in DoJG, Imabi, and Nihonshock be enough to pass JLPT N1 and/or understand most things?

I've almost got all that down, so I figure I really should focus more on kanji

>>17873089
You poor soul.

>>17873092
Nice shitpost virgin

>>17873098
You don't know what those words mean.

>>17873099
If you don't have anything useful to say then don't open your mouth

>>17873103
This thread is not a special-purpose device for you to place questions and get nothing but the answers you want. The people here have their own opinions and ways of interacting with each other.

Read the guide before asking questions.

>>17873112
>still running his mouth
Welp, daily reminder why youre a pathetic virgin

>>17873089
You need to read or listen a lot to acquire grammar. You won't be able to pass N1 or fully understand most things just by memorizing grammar references.

>>17873137
Almost everyone here is a virgin. You're the fucked up one.

>>17873099
I'll translate: almost no one here recommends studying grammar independently. Read through an introductory book a couple of times while you're using anki or whatever to memorize vocab and kanji, after that use a reference like DoJG when you run into something you don't understand. Frequent reading is more important for grammar than memorization.
Your shitposting is lower quality than the shitposting that offended you, by the way.

>>17873207
It's not shitposting, it's engaging in conversation.

can you dick suckin dekinai ass mofos shut the hell up

Please tell me about your 初恋 in Japanese

>>17873267
初恋はない
何度も聞いたがっても
こんな事ない
なぜなら「初」のこと
「初」がなかったら「初恋」がありません
恋だけある人生だったのだ

>>17873267
私の初恋はおとなしい子でした。ツインテールで歌がとても上手い。2010年あたりから知り合うことになりました。いつからか関係が薄くなりましたが、彼女の成長を今でも誇らしく見守っています。

>>17872173
thanks for エロマンガ先生

>>17873267
鏡を見るわたしを見て初めての恋を見つけた

のに(2)'s explanation is kind of confusing, is it just basically the nominalizer の and に particles together? That's how I kind of feel like it works "for the sake of" x which x is nominalized.

>>17873401
look up both here
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/

>>17873401
for Xing / (in order) to X

How long have you guys been keeping up your studies? Just came back and man, quit studying for five months, feels bad especially since I'll probably have to restart everything again from the beginning.

>>17873408
approaching 2 years, every day

>>17873408
I haven't studied in over a year now, not that I did much studying in the first place

>>17873413
What keeps you going man? What is driving you? My motivation was to read light novels, but I haven't even read them translated at all lately. Now I'm kind of deciding again just to be able to read Japanese and maybe be able to converse with other Japanese over twitter and pixiv. Seems more of a worthy goal than before, yet not any easier.

>>17873418
That's a shame man, what are you roaming around for then?

>>17873408
>since I'll probably have to restart everything again from the beginning.
Pick up right where you left off. It will be rocky for a few weeks but what you learned didn't disappear into the ether. If you have an Anki review backlog, start chipping away at them instead of starting over again with the deck/s.

>>17873267
ちょっとふとっためがねでまきげでした

くろかみのこやくの

ロン・ウィーズリーみたいな

>>17873431
>That's a shame man, what are you roaming around for then?
I sometimes help or make fun of people here and I'm using Japanese daily even if I'm not strictly studying it

Just wanted to tell you guys that I have changed the number of new cards on anki from 20 to 40 for a few days already and it's working out just fine.

>hurr go read
Where do you think I mine the words from to begin with?

>>17873452
Who are you quoting?

>>17873431
>What keeps you going
routine and discipline
memes

>>17873452
You haven't hit your complete cycle yet, so of course it feels fine.

>>17873452
>few days
It hasn't really kicked in yet then. Come back in two weeks and tell us how easy it is

>>17873460
What do you mean by hitting a complete cycle?

Are there any actually good japanese/kanji mobile apps? Doesn't have to be free

>>17873468
For android or ios?

>>17873467
Once you start turning into matures, cards that were added after switching to 40/day.

>>17873468
Kanji study :D

>>17873469
Android I guess

>>17873472
If they made to mature in the first place then it shouldn't be an issue. The problem is if they all start falling into limbo right before the mature stage.

>>17873482
There will certainly be some cards that end up mature, and that's the point when the increase in reviews has started stablizing.

>>17873440
Yeah, I'll try it out, thanks for the suggestion. I do believe that it's still there too and continuing where I left off is pretty good for being a refresher.

>>17873446
That's cool man. Keep it up.

>>17873458
>routine and discipline
Gotcha. I'll be sure to rebuild up my own. It makes a lot of sense, I just wasn't strong enough to continue it before.

rosemaryのレシピをおしえてください

たべものじゃなくてもいいよ

つかいかた

こんなのでてきたけど

おいしい？
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwk3usBioeY

日本語を勉強始めたから「寒い」と言う言葉のホンマの意味を理解してきたな

>>17873468
anki

Maybe this would work as an OP pic in the future?

ローズマリーってなまえがかわいい

>>17873828
this is how people who go to school to learn Japanese look at the people who think they can hack it with just anki and tae kim

>>17873907
>anki
Please, dont throw people with bots together.

>>17873907
In my opinion it's isolated kanji study vs learning kanji with vocab.

>>17873865
あのおんなはきたないんです

Should I add contextual phrases on the front or on the back of my anki card ?

>>17873933
Back, you'll memorize the phrase instead of the word if you place it on the front.

learning kanji readings from lyrics of the songs I'm familiar with
yes or not?

>>17873933
It depends on your goals and what works best for you. My vocab cards are Japanese to English and I usually put a sentence on the front to distinguish from homophones. I usually look up tons of example sentences when I add the card to the deck to understand how the word is used, then look them up again when I see the card (if I feel like I need to).

>>17873962
Why learn kanji readings when you can learn words? Otherwise, yes.
>tfw lyrics of the song you liked turns out to be really shitty

>>17873977
yeah i meant actual words, thanks

かんそうローズマリー

４㌘４００円だって

くさなのに

942 kanji left to study for me with RTK
should I just learn 60 a day instead of 30 at this point?

>>17874027
Slow and steady wins the race.

If you're getting impatient, there's no reason you can't start reading and stuff now (probably not a good idea to start a mining deck until you're done with RTK though, lest you over-burden yourself).

>>17874027
>RTK
Are you only learning the meaning?

>>17874080
yeah, what else is there to learn with RTK?

>2000 words in anki
>can't read because haven't even finished "basic grammar" in tae kim

>>17874095
you can blast through taekim in like a week of notetaking and proper study whats wrong with you

>>17874099
busy with university, barely have time to do reviews
i wish i was a neet like i was for 3 years before this fall

ニュージーランドいきたい

>>17874115
超寒いよ

>>17874108
you could've learnt fluent Japanese in those 3 years
what did you do?

>>17874122
i played world of warcraft and watched anime, i only started learning japanese in july

>>17874126
Dude if you haven't managed to graduate from "ankidrone" since July, then there's no hope for you.

>>17874135
say that to me after i spend an exchange year in japan because i managed a 4.0 gpa

>>17874172
Well, everyone has different goals. I'd prefer knowing Japanese to physically being in Japan.

>ppl think they'll learn Japanese because they are in Japan
Matt who got fluent literally said that you learn more at home than by going to the country, and he's done both

>>17874238
>stay at home watch animu 16 hours a day and make flashcards
>travel to japan watch animu 16 hours a day and make flashcards
Yeah

>>17873408
The days not studied were because I was literally without electronics at military basic training.
These days though it's mostly just going through the motions without the passion I used to have for it. I used to read a lot of VNs as well, but I don't have much of an attention span anymore although I try.
I watch three times as much anime as I used to though, so maybe that makes up for it. I can understand most of slice of life anime/manga, so I'm satisfied enough.

>>17874261
what would be better to do in japan within a day in terms of learning the language than 16 hours of studyin?

>>17874393
>military basic training
Good luck in the Korean War 2: Nuclear Boogaloo.

Why does the yomichan update nuke all the dictionaries?

>>17874511
Mine didn't get nuked (though they did in a previous update), but they do have this message accompanying them now.

tfw still grinding kana after a week

>>17874535
Well, I just started Firefox and Yomichan worked in the beginning, then suddenly stopped. Had to reimport all of them and the Anki card creation is now fucked too.

>>17874541
You thought it was just a joke?

>>17874550
>Anki card creation is now fucked too.
Really? The new update was supposedly made to fix some problem with that. Looks like it's had the reverse effect.

I make all my cards by hand anyway since Yomichan's formatting for them is ugly as fuck.

>>17874559
FUCK YOU I'M GONNA GO ALL THE WAY
i am just dissatisfied with my current progress

>>17874561

>>17874541
Do you at least have the gist of hiragana?

If so, start on Tae Kim. Seeing the kana actually used in words will help them stick (same goes for kanji).

こんな事もうやめようよ

誰の得になるのか

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE67WJRA_JY

has anyone from DJT ever learned japanese?

>>17874823
いもうとちゃん

Is it worth going to a Japanese Language School? I imagine they're quite different from the west.

>>17874865
they're scams, the only good part about it is being in japan teaches you japanese (who would have guessed)

To the neocities/google docs maintainer (if you're still around).

I think you said a while ago that you don't check the guide, feedback, etc. pages anymore, so I figured I'd post a notification here in hopes that you're still in these threads and will see it.

I updated the guide and resources pages to reference Yomichan since there is less than one month left now before Rikaisama will no longer work in the standard release of Firefox, and there is presently no other alternative for Firefox users to switch to when that time comes.


(I also updated the podcast section of the resources page a while back if you wouldn't mind approving those updates too)

djtで学んだことは日本語が理解できない事だと思います

正直言うとありえないと思うけど

ウソかホントかそんなの勝手に決めろバクショウ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CytMuTYXmPk

Can someone please explain to me what exactly 萌え means?
Is 萌えとけ、頼むから "Please, fall in love with me"?

>>17874962
moe~

>>17874962
youve really opened up the 玉手箱 with this one

Doing a custom study and reviewing ahead won't mess up the deck will it?

>>17874992
why not do something that helps you more than more flashcards

>>17873962
Lyrics sometimes have weird furigana for poetic effect like 運命（さだめ）. Be careful

>>17874541
are you using this:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/kana/index.html

timeframes for stuff in Japanese (if you don't fit you're a brainlet):
kana - 2 days
joyo kanji - 3 months
fluency - 2 years

>>17875078
someone is going to fall for this

>>17875078

nailed the first two, working on the third. I'll try my best senpai

>>17875091
you what? I'm a living example for the first two as is this gentleman >>17875093 apparently
not sure about fluency in 2 years, but I feel like it's doable provided you nail the first two in that time

>>17875078
People actually do the joyo kanji in 3 months? Why?

>>17875078
>wasting time on isolated kanji study
>fluency - 2 years
don't think so 先輩

I want to start reading but I fear that manga/games would have too much slang and weird Japanese. Are there any proper books for beginners? Something like kids books with fairy tales and whatnot. Bonus points if I can buy them off Amazon.

>>17875111
>wasting time on something non-RTK fags will have to do anyway

>>17875112
Better to get exposure to the real stuff than to hold yourself down with "beginner" things.

>>17875109
you mean why so long or why study it at all?

>きいてみれ！
I'm assuming this is imperative so shouldn't it be きいてみろ? Could みれ be a contraction of みれば?

>>17875111
Do people actually say ともがら?

>>17875116
Do what? Remembering useless stories?

>>17875133
how do you remember kanji without useless stories?

>>17875139
Brute force and time.

>>17875050
what's wrong with that?

>>17875078
Tae Kim said joyo is dumb and I'd rather trust him than some djt elititst who does RTK unironically.

>>17875140
you'll spend more time bruteforcing it than if you 'understood' it without having to bruteforce it at all
I thought you had more compelling argument in your hand...

>>17875149
trust whomever you want, Tae Kim surely knows what's up, but isn't he Asian? some people won't be able to explain shit to you that they take for granted, for a Chinese or Japanese kanji is taken for granted
I'm listening to MattVsJapan who as a gajin learnt Japanese

>>17875146
there's nothing wrong, just making sure you're using the best tool
I learned kana with that site in 2 days, just had to practice then so I wouldn't mistake some of them/would nail down the most difficult ones

>>17875139
words, exposure and making your own useless stories when all else fails (slightly less useless than RTK's)

>>17875126
it's imperative, i don't know if this is a dialect or something but i've come across this a few times, like やめれ over やめろ

>>17874962
Anyone?

>>17875177
Where did you see やめれ?
Never seen or heard that before, so that's interesting.

>>17874914
Updated. Glad someone took care of that, thanks. If there's anything special needed to configure the Anki integretation beyond what's explained on the Yomichan site (not sure since I haven't used it), I could add that to the anki.html page too.

>>17875118
Okay, recommend me some good intermediate or advanced Japanese books.

>>17875209
Hanahira (you should keep re-reading it until you can finish it in one sitting to really nail those casual "slang" patterns down!)

>>17875183
>Updated. Glad someone took care of that, thanks.
You're welcome. Thanks for taking care of the updates.

>If there's anything special needed to configure the Anki integretation beyond what's explained on the Yomichan site (not sure since I haven't used it), I could add that to the anki.html page too.
I only briefly used the Anki integration myself since I didn't like the visual presentation of the cards it made, but from what I recall pretty much everything you need to know is explained on the Yomichan website.

I'll install it again just in case and go through the process of setting it up from scratch, and if I feel like there's some part of the process that warrants a more detailed explanation than is provided on the Yomichan website then I'll type some instructions out and post them here.

>>17875209
我輩は猫である

>>17875215
Not that anon, but I'll try this, although
>"slang"
Makes me wonder.

>>17873089
off the top of my head, https://exhentai.org/g/656797/f116e0fc4d/

>>17875181
off the top of my head, https://exhentai.org/g/656797/f116e0fc4d/

>>17875181
Tomosane says it all the time in subahibi.

>>17874962
>>17875180
I just want to say ahead of time I don't know the answer and googling it didn't seem to bring up any relevant results, but I just wanted to give you some potential leads for finding it out on your own:
萌え is moe as you probably already know of.
とけ could either be a kana form (why, I don't know) of 解け or 溶け。It could also be a slurred version of て置け。Or maybe 萌えとけ itself is a slang phrase from somewhere. If that's the case, who knows what it means.

>>17875338
I am pretty sure とけ is casual imperative form of ておく, but I am honestly not sure how you translate 萌え. Fall in love, become infatuated?

Is there anyone out there smarter than me that can decipher this blurry sign?

>>17875371
I assume the only issue is the first character in which case you can probably look for *谷 to see if you find something.

>>17875338
I forgot to add that the way I see it, it being a slurred version of て置け seems like the most likely alternative since 置く when used as an auxiliary verb (like all auxiliary verbs) is usually just written with kana, and characters who speak 関西弁 seem to slur ておく into とく。
So 萌え（る→て→と）とけ seems the most plausible.
But I know nothing, really. Maybe you already guessed that, maybe not.

>>17875365
Based on my explanation above (I'll repeat: I don't know for certain so please do not take my word for it) I think the stem here is 萌える (which 萌え is derived from) which then has the slurred ておけ added to it roughly means what the original anon guessed. Maybe less of a "please" though, more along the lines of "fall in love with me, I beg you" the way I see it, though.

>>17875371
?谷センター街
I'm assuming ?谷 is a place. I don't recognize the first kanji.

>>17875387
>>17875388
Thanks for the help. The manga takes place in Tokyo so at least that narrows it down, I'll start searching for it.

>>17875371
渋谷

>>17875387
>>17875388
>haven't heard of Shibuya
lmao

>>17875393
Found it, it's 渋谷センター街. Thanks everyone!

>>17875388
Thanks

>>17875404
I have heard of Shibuya and seen it written in kanji before but I haven't memorized it yet.
The sign was rather messy too so I couldn't make out anything but the water radical on 渋.
Not that those are excuses or anything.

>>17875422
Don't thank me since I'm guessing just as much. A guess, even an educated one, even if it turns out to be right, is just a guess at the end of the day.
Really I shouldn't be giving any advice until I can feel confident in the advice I'm giving, hence why I'm not claiming any certainty on my part.

>>17875435
>trying to justify yourself to shitposters

>>17875444
He does have a point though. Shitpost or not, I should know Shibuya since I know both the kanji that comprise it, plus Shibuya itself is very well known.

>>17875371
渋谷センター街

日本はバナナの価格はなんですか

shibooya

what's up with like different levels showing different +stats? is there something i need to know about it?

>>17875580
wrong thread...

>>17873912
Are there benefits to isolated Kanji study?

>>17875580
>>17875588
It's alright Elona is cool.

>>17875598
Memorizing anything makes it easier to memorize things with their components.

>>17875112
Read Yotsuba&

>>17875183
>>17875219
Okay, I wrote out a guide like the one which already exists for Rikaisama. Too long to post here so I uploaded it to pastebin instead:
https://pastebin.com/deWR7yJE

The Yomichan website itself doesn't really give any instructions about creating a deck for the cards to actually go into, so I figured it was probably worth writing a step by step guide on making a deck and then linking it up with Yomichan's Anki integration for the sake of people who are very new to Anki and don't know how it works.

What's the difference between 単行本 and 文庫?

>>17874261
The only way you could do "better" is use Japan as "immersion" by being surrounded by common kanji in stores and limited spoken Japanese vocabulary. I imagine it could do a lot for your accent and your familiarity with common speech patterns, but it's certainly not going to increase your literacy any better than actually studying vocabulary.
Consider all of the foreigners in English-speaking countries that have lived there for 5-10 years and still have poor vocabulary and comprehension. Same problem. They think being surrounded by the language is a free hack, when it will only solidify the most basic speech.
I'm not saying don't go to Japan, but don't go to Japan because you think it will make studying easier or faster or shift you away from normal study. That being said, 16 hours of animu a day was fucking stupid.

>>17874541
What level of comprehension are you expecting? The short timeframes people give are to have every card in your reviews. You're not going to read quickly and you're going to make mistakes, but at this point you can start reading kana in beginner resources to get better while a week or two of reviews keep you from solidifying any mistakes into habits.

>>17875659
ご苦労さま。It's in the Anki start-up guide now.

>>17875149
That's a sloppy blog post that couldn't stick to a single point. It seemed to me like an argument for "don't learn kanji in isolation" with some rants about not all jouyou kanji being useful stuffed in. Don't learn kanji in isolation. Jouyou is still an acceptable starting point.

Just watched an episode of Hungry! (Jdorama) and it was pretty good. Besides the fancy food names, I found it more straightforward than the anime I've tried to watch before.

>>17875643
While I'm not in defense of isolated kanji study, your argument is only a defense of studying kanji at all, and does not argue against learning kanji and vocab simultaneously.

>>17875795
K. Not sure why you're trying to start an argument when you agree with my premise.

On the subject of yomichan, I was pretty disappointed with the limited customization of cards. It seems focused on rapidly generating hundreds of cards without any attention to quality of those cards. As a specific example, I like to narrow down my definitions to a short line of text that is still fairly "complete" so that I can read the whole thing in a second. I think a wall of text to skim to see if what you thought of is in it, is a really bad way to go about anki. Yomichan just stuffs every entry together into one wall of text. Is the best I'm going to get to add an "unfinished" tag to my yomichan settings and go through the anki browse interface?
I'm also disappointed that it still can't grab pitch accent.

>>17875798
Because agreeing with you doesn't make your reasoning less flawed. That's not trying to start an argument, that's participating in discussion about a frequent topic of debate, and you should be just as interested in attempting to determine WHY it is or isn't a good idea instead of being invested your existing conclusion.

>>17875834
You win because you agree with me. Be a winner. Don't disagree with me after agreeing with me, That just makes you a willful loser for argument's sake, literally.

>>17875732
google it

>>17875775
Thanks. Just noticed I made a typo though:
>{furigana} used HTML ruby text to display the furigana
should've been "uses"

Johnny Davidson
Johnny Davidson
7 months ago
Thanks for making this video, you are actually the first person I've come across that I agree with completely about a lot of things. I've been learning Japanese for 4.5 years, alone, online, no one even knows, and I've also grown to hate Japan to some degree. Like I want to do x in English, but I try to force it in Japanese because it's immersion that way. Just have to accept that some things are better in English (mostly everything to be honest) and some things are better in Japanese (anime, manga, etc.). I also know what you mean about rarely coming across new kanji and when you do it feels awesome. I have 25,000 vocabulary cards in Anki with around 3500 unique kanji. Very few people make it this far and settle for intermediate, not just in Japanese but in any language. It's really feels demotivating knowing there's few people doing better than you, there's no competition in a way. Anyway are you still planning on learning Mandarin or are you done with learning languages?
MATTvsJapan
MATTvsJapan
7 months ago (edited)
haha damn dude, we really seem to be in exactly the same situation. "Just have to accept that some things are better in English (mostly everything to be honest) and some things are better in Japanese (anime, manga, etc.)", YUP, except that by this point I have lost all interest in anime and manga, so everything feels worse in Japanese. Finally letting go of that after 6 years and going back to doing most things in English made my life a lot better. From my point of view now, if you are a native English speaker language learning is mostly a waste of time. It's pretty obvious that Mandarin would be no different than Japanese; I would just end up feeling like I was consuming worse versions of everything just for language ability. I doubt I would be able to relate to the culture or people at all.

Is Anki necessary after doing 2k? I've tried mining but it feels like I could learn more from just reading.

>>17875126
どこのことばかはわからないけど

まあいいじゃない

>>17875945
No.

Im going to drop all my premade decks(except RTK) and start mining vocab from the eroges i play, frankly the task doesn't look impossible anymore and its far more entertaining that learning vocab without context.

Finally cleared my Anki decks after two weeks of procrastinating
Not recommended unless you want to find yourself with 1,500+ cards to review

>>17875955
ぞーい

あたしもがんばる

おにいちゃんもがんばって

もう人生はつらすぎてから頑張らない

>>17876005
なんかいだってなんかいだって

ためしてみようよ

きょうはあたらしいじんせい

きのうはちがうじんせいだよ

なんでやねんすぎるって言う時に何を言うたらええ？
普通のなんでやねんは足りひんからな

>>17876016
新しい方がいいとは限らないぞ

無+茶 =無茶???

>>17876147
無茶苦茶すんじゃねえピコ太郎くん

>>17875889
I don't think that represents his current feelings, as he quit Anki entirely 7 months ago, and then in the meditation video 5 months ago he says that his Anki usage feels more efficient than ever before.
It does seem to me like a good argument against AJATT, however. You need to force yourself to do things in Japanese, but if you force yourself to do EVERYTHING in Japanese, you're going to be putting a lot of time into garbage that makes you hate it. There is a middle-ground between good Japanese exposure and outright refusing better resources for your non-Japanese interests.

Is ー the same as adding あ, い, or う to a kana?
i.e.: 焼酎=しょーちゅー=しょうちゅう、大きい=おーきー=おおきい？

>>17876192
In terms of pronunciation, yes. You probably don't want to actually write like that though.

>>17876162
meditation is no fuckin joke

>>17876192
Yes, but in normal contexts you only use it with katakana.

It's sometimes used in creative works with hiragana when representing speech in order to indicate that a sound is drawn out without technically misspelling the word.

>>17876240
>It's sometimes used in creative works with hiragana when representing speech in order to indicate that a sound is drawn out without technically misspelling the word.
Oh, and another way of doing this is adding the half-size hiragana characters (ぁぃぅぇぉ) to the word.

>>17876216
it takes too much time. Also its too far to any mountains and I lack slick white robes and dont want to shave my head

>>17876216
I've been curious about it for a couple of years but been turned off by every resource I ran into, and his video suggesting a book that he says isn't full of spiritual bullshit interests me. But I haven't checked it out yet.

>>17876216
It sounds like a total placebo scam to me.

"Yeah, you'll be so much more efficient. You just have to read this fucking 500 page book and then waste an hour sitting around doing fuck all every day for the rest of your life. Totally worth it, bro. Even cups interest me now, like.... uhhh.... it has this pattern on it and..... uhhh.... yeah, well anyway, my mind is just full of cup dude."

>>17876278
>>17876285
try the spooky cia method instead, boasts even small results in a minimum amount of time
https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf

>>17875050
>>17875159
>you're using the best tool
The tool has a very good foundation and I'd recommend it to someone who needs to practice, but a lot of things bug me about it. It's very inconsistent in allowable input -- I tend to default to IME shortcuts while thinking of the correct sound, and it accents tu つ but not ti ち? I also have a tendency to type n' for ん and this immediately fails the next kana, it'd be easy to ignore non-alphabetical input.
Also, this is slightly less about the tool itself and more about how most resources seem to introduce kana, but quizzing yourself on ALL of the dakuten/handakuten and youon forms seems like a massive waste of time to me. The patterns are so repetitive with basically two exceptions that after you read what they are you are just double-testing yourself on the kana that can use them. It's unfortunate that the quick "check all" links include dakuten/handakuten.

>>17876303
>those diagrams
I'm open to it but some of that shit looks almost as bad as spiritual/religious meditation.

>>17876303
What the fuck is going on in this

Hey DJT I need help.
Near the end of core I started adding more cards than I could handle.
Reviews stacked up I got a burn out and stopped doing my reps.
Now I get around 500 reviews every day, I tried stuff like increasing the minimum interval so I get less reviews but that hurt my retention even more.

The thing is I'm busy with university stuff and don't have much free time.

Any ideas how to fix that?

>>17876416
Ya dun goofed.

Probably best to just drop Core, start reading and start a mining deck. If you come across a word from Core that you forgot, just add it into the new deck and re-learn it.

>>17876416
Quit university until you can get your reviews back under control.

>>17876416
>>17876480
If you think you're not ready to drop core, suspend a ton of shit and unsuspend gradually instead of adding new cards. But it's probably best to go straight to mining if you can.

Do you guys typically wait a long time when you forget a word to remember it, or do you just keep skipping after a couple seconds until it works? I notice that occasionally the word will come back if i give it some time but it ends up taking an incredibly long time to finish my reps.
Am I risking something about short term memory by trying this method? Because right now studying for 4-6 hours a day is becoming overworking for me.

>>17876575
I don't think when I'm going through my reps at all 2bh

>>17876575
I use this add-on set to 5 seconds because I hate Anki and don't want to spend any more time on it than I have to:
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/803940993

Having an enforced timer on your answers has the nice side-effect of making you pay more attention to what you're doing.

>>17876575
>Am I risking something about short term memory by trying this method?
If you think more time helps you remember something, you're mistaken. Anki is not trying to do anything about your short term memory, its your long term memory.
The brain only considers something important enough to store if it sees it often enough. Thus the review system.
And basically every advertisement method from every major company.

>>17876575
I feel like when I strain for a long time to remember a word, and I finally get it, it really cements it into my memory.

It could just be a placebo though

Never posted here before, really new to studying Japanese, if I were asking someone for recommendations of easy-to-read Japanese books would this be correct: "私に優しい日本語の書物を推薦してください"? or would there be a better way? My understanding is that this communicates something closest to "please recommend x to me" but I'd prefer something more like "do you have any recommendations for x?" How should I go about this?

>>17876575
I'd personally recommend against it.
>>17876620
Even if this is the case, it seems strictly worse than simply failing the card and seeing it more times in the near future but keeping your seconds per card down.

>>17874914
Oh wow, turns out Rikaisama being kill was closer than I thought. I was under the impression that there were still several weeks left until Firefox 57 came out, but I just checked and it appears that the release date is actually... 4 days from now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firefox_version_history#Versions_50_through_59

>Firefox 57.0
>November 14, 2017
>Official Firefox 57.0 release.

>>17876652
just turn automatic updates off

>>17875659
>Meaning - {glossary}
{glossary-brief} mimics rikai more closely - by just dumping the definition in plain text without stupid 'formatting'

>>17876660
Not updating your browser is just about the most stupid thing you can do in terms of computer security. About the only thing you could do worse would be to download viruses on purpose.

>>17876652
>Firefox 57
>tfw I'm still on 43.0.1
Fuck updating when nothing is broken

I don't mind doing my reps. But man, vocabulary is hell. Even at the rate of 20 new cards per day, it feels like just a tiny drop in a bucket that has a hole in the bottom. Like I'll never be able to learn enough words to read everything, even if I spend ten years learning.

>>17874914
>>17876652
what the fuck

>>17876668
>{glossary-brief}
I mention {glossary-brief} in the paragraph below:
>Alternatively, you can use {glossary-brief} for the Meaning field. {glossary} contains information about the word, such as whether it is a noun, verb, etc. and what dictionary the definition is being taken from. {glossary-brief} contains no other information besides the definitions themselves.


>without stupid 'formatting'
{glossary-brief} still puts all the text into that awful table layout though, doesn't it?

>>17876678
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/security/advisories/

Every single item on that page with a red tag indicates at least one critical security fix. The page defines "critical" like so:
>Vulnerability can be used to run attacker code and install software, requiring no user interaction beyond normal browsing.

>>17876683
>{glossary-brief} still puts all the text into that awful table layout though, doesn't it?
you tell me

Anyone figure out how to fix Yomichan's anki card addon for chrome? I feel like my twitter mining is slipping today.

>>17876704
ごじっぽひゃっぽ

ってはつおんするとおもうよ

いなか？

>>17876704
I just tested it and it does indeed put it in a table with {glossary-brief} like I thought.

You've messed with the Handlebars code. That isn't default behaviour.

Does learning and recognizing new words ever become easier?

>>17876726
yes

>>17876701
I like living on the edge, I have no anti-virus either.

Not that I visit sites that would have such exploits and noscript+adblock is pretty good at blocking everything that might be coming off a 3rd party site like exploits in ads

>>17876620
Not a placebo. Actually scientific reasoning. By recalling something, the connection and path is relit and made stronger. It's why memory works at all.

Everyone always says "if a card becomes a leech, it's best to just suspend it and then try some other method of learning it," but what other method is there than "keep seeing the fuckin card until it finally sticks?" I tried moving the leeches to their own deck, but even over there, I can't get them down, even though there are so few possible cards that they could be since they're isolated.

>>17876722
Hmm I think you're right, I forgot I pasted in a plain template of theirs:
https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/dl/fields.txt

>>17876718
ありがとう、訂正した

>>17876677
>>17876701
Nice tinfoil hats

>>17876785
はつおんと表記がちがう

んだとおもうよ

ごじゅっぽひゃっぽとかいて

ごじっぽひゃっぽとよむとか

>>17876827
なるほど

should i suspend dojg cards if ive solidified them? going through grammar is a fucking pain.

>>17876848
The problem is probably your card format rather than your familiarity with the material. Many of the DoJG deck versions came with bogus card formats.

>>17876850
I'm using cloze only, the only issue is sometimes the summaries are obnoxiously retarded when I know the concept of how to use the word, so I mark it wrong even though I "know" it.

I fucking hate this languages grammar with a passion. I wish I could just grind anki all day, it's way more meditative.

>>17876846
ファイルまちがってるよ

あとぱんつははいたほうがいいとおもう

How do I get good at writing kanji? I can read on the level of a 5 year old Japanese cat, but I suck at writing. Writing it 100 times only helps for so long because I always forget shit I don't write often.

Anybody do the core deck in reverse? Kana (+context clue if needed) in front and kanji in the back?

>>17876905
Here's the template I'm thinking of using.

Front shows the kana and an example sentence that appears on mouse hover.

Back is the same, except it shows Kanji where kana was.

HJGP's explanation of では isn't making any sense to me at all.

>>17876905
なんでもかけるようになろうとすると

むずかしいことになるよ

一寸だけなら

なんとかなるとおもわない？

>>17876940
And DOJ literally doesn't even feature it on its own, it's only there with other stuff tacked on, so what the fuck, man.

>>17876905
>I always forget shit I don't write often.
Are you talking about actually remembering the kanji, as opposed to handwriting? Expect yourself to remember the strokes of kanji in a keyword to kanji deck. If you just mean your writing not looking worse than a child's, no advice, I'm probably going to import a cheap ペン字 book to see if it helps.
I haven't done vocab in reverse, but I definitely wouldn't just flip a premade deck, for more reasons than needing to edit in context clues. I might try making a new deck for words that I specifically struggle with.

>>17876940
では_1 [1]
The case particle で is attached to a noun, then the topic particle は is added. Used when the noun denotes a means, time, location, or measurement. Acts like the case particle but adds focus.

では_1 [2]
のでは; See ては

では_2 [1]
A conjunction that indicates the following sentence contains the result of inferential logic.

では_2 [2]
A sentence-initial conjunction that is virtually identical to the previous one except that the literal meaning is about the speaker's attitude, not the literal nature of the following sentence.

では_2 [3]
A sentence-initial conjunction that's used to shift the topic to something tangential or overdue.

>>17876951
I can read way more characters than I can write. I had to look up how to write 東京 the other day, and that made me realize that I fucked up somewhere along the way, so I started thinking about how I can fix my writing, and this is the best option I've come up with.

Obviously I don't expect to be able to write every single character, but I definitely need to get better than this. The problem is that I don't know of any better way to manage revising kanji I've already learned than Anki.

Why is "Archeology" - "考古学", and not "老古学"?

>>17877044
http://jisho.org/search/考*学

I just wish there was a nice site for VN direct downloads. Like erogedownload only for raw untranslated VNs.

>>17876850
>>17876856
>>17876856
You can't learn Japanese.

>>17877090
I too wonder why we have shifted away from direct downloads.

>>17877097
Watch me, fuckface.

>>17877103
Remember when megaupload died? Yeah.

>>17877090
no animebytes account?

>>17877110
>direct downloads

>>17877112
damm, you want it really direct huh

>>17877110
I don't have one. I used to have one, but I went too long without logging in so they deactivated it.

>>17877122
アホ

>>17877128
そうだよね

How do people feel about this version of the anki deck?
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zyyuiWkiz2IF2CCROeJebl8mgRdHBqNfS5D7MFjDTzE/edit

>>17877140
Sentence decks are garbage.

>>17877140
Sentence decks are the best.

>>17876623
I believe it would be 「日本語の初心者におすすめの本を紹介しませんか？」 ("Could you please introduce to me books recommended for beginners to Japanese?"), but someone please verify.

Also, 優しい means "easy", but not the type of "easy" that you're thinking of. You want to say 読みやすい, "easy to read".

>>17877122
I had that happen to me as well, but it was just a matter of dropping by IRC and talk to a bot to have it reactivated.

>>17877140
>The sentences give context, which is crucial for good understanding.

This is better learned outside Anki by seeing the word used in many different contexts. So unless you have a compelling reason (i.e. tried single word decks and can't remember anything) there's no need to waste your time in Anki reading example sentences.

>>17877166
Oh, seriously? I might give it a shot, then.

>>17877163
>You want to say 読みやすい, "easy to read".
>tfw they actually have a saying for this
Japanese always surprising me.

>>17877200
>tfw they actually have a saying for this
just looks like a verb stem + やすい sir

>>17877163
易しい does mean the same easy he's thinking of, but 優しい means something different.

>>17877222
He wants to tenderly love his books tho
thats not gay

>>17877222
やさしいというと優しいのいんしょうがつよいから

易しいをつかわずに

かんたんなをつかうことがおおいんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

初心者向けとか初級はぜったいにつかったらだめだよ

かんたんなは

複雑なの反対だよ

易しいの反対は難しいで

優しいの反対は厳しいとか

前後によっては

きもい

>>17877294
漢字を使わないなら、やさしい女ってちょっと語弊がある

Newfag question.
まぁ、いい is something like "whatever, it's fine"?
What is まぁ、いいや?

>>17877429
Depends on the context.
>まぁ、いい
Could be "well, fine/okay" or "whatever" but usually the first. どうでもいい is a more indifferent (i.e. "true") "whatever."
>まぁ、いいや
いいや could be a variant of いいえ、and if not then it's too context-dependent to give a concrete answer. It could also be in the Kansai dialect (や is the Kansai dialect equivalent for だ) in which case it's roughly the same as the first one but with a bit more emphasis.

>>17877429
まぁ
meh, well...
いい
fine
や
[declarative particle, descended from よ?]

or at least that's how I think of it. Unlike >>17877512, I don't think いいえ is related. I think や is a particle. http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%BE%E3%81%82%E3%81%84%E3%81%84%E3%82%88 has variations like まあええで, まあええよ, まあいいよ, まあいいさ, 別にいいよ (although it doesn't have まあいいや).

>>17877429
まいいか or typed something like that literally means "well, whatever" so its probably the same concept.

>>17877429
>What is まぁ、いいや?
forgot to answer this part. I think it could be translated as "ah, whatever," while まあ、いい is more ambiguous.

>>17877530
>[declarative particle, descended from よ?]
What are you even talking about? And I just explained that や is the Kansai dialect equivalent of だ so you don't need to guess. You can look it up in a dictionary.
>I don't think いいえ is related
It's listed as a variant of いいえ by both KireiCake and JMDICT.

>>17877549
>や is the Kansai dialect equivalent of だ
>It's listed as a variant of いいえ
These are true. However, I believe that いいや was derived differently. *いいだ is not grammatically correct (https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1013324380)), and the link I posted in >>17877530 has まあええで, which is more befitting of Kansai.

>>17877429
>まあいいや

の

えいごは

>It's your own business.

みたいなかんじじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>17877579
全然関係ないぞ

>>17877587
>まあいい

>よくないしわたしのせいじゃない

おんなことばだけど

>see someone using romaji for huge paragraphs in the wild

holy shit i want all of these people to kill themselves

>>17877530
The や is just giving it a little bit of flavor. You guys need to practice listening more like I need to practice reading and kanji more. Maybe after this radio drama.

>>17877429
The や is just giving it a little bit of flavor. You guys need to practice listening more like I need to practice reading and kanji more. Maybe after this radio drama.

>>17877685
>in a university class
>teacher asks what we did during the break
>"I played a Japanese game"
>a girl starts shrieking suddenly
>"I'M LEARNING JAPANESE TOO!"
>I'm skeptical as always about such people
>check her facebook
>only reference to Japanese is some ローマ字
>picture of her under a 桜
>Shigatsu no sakura wa saiko desu.

>>17877724
Should have learned to hide you powerlevel while DJT was on /a/.

>>17877724
I'm not sure what you were expecting or why you didn't just omit the "Japanese" part.

>>17877724
>not answering some normie shit
kys yourself

Is つ in 一つ, 二つ etc a counter for things that don't have a specific counter?

>>17877764
1つ to 9つ is the generic counter, yes. For anything higher than 10 you need a counter word to quantify it.
I could be wrong, but I believe 個 is the all-purpose counter word when there is none other available. But considering how many counters Japanese has, you'll struggle to find a concept that can't be quantified with a counter.

>>17876783
I think we should add this link to the Anki guide somewhere since it's pretty hard to find on the Yomichan website (it's way down at the bottom in the FAQ).

I guess we could just copy and slightly reword the explanation from there and add it to the bottom under the "TROUBLESHOOTING" heading like:
>If you would like to stop HTML tags from being added to your cards in order to make their appearance closer to how they're created with Rikaisama's Real Time Import feature, simply copy the contents of the [link]text-only field template[link] from the Yomichan website into the template box under the Anki Options section of Yomichan's settings (make sure you have the Show advanced options checkbox ticked), making sure to replace the existing values (and also making sure that you are using {glossary-brief} instead of {glossary}).
https://foosoft.net/projects/yomichan/dl/fields.txt

>>17877736
>>17877738
>>17877751
It's not like they have any clue about any of this. After I explained that the game featured a "womanizing hero", the teacher only remarked that my Japanese must be quite good to know words like "womanizing".

>"womanizing hero"
女性化だろうな？

>>17877772
Oh, and there was another template edit posted recently that could maybe be included as well:
>>17739647
>>17739707

I guess for that one we can just link to those posts in the archive with the following text:
>If you would like to make it so that separate definitions, whether they contain only one sub-definition or several, start a new bullet-point list for themselves with {glossary}, see the following posts in the archive:
>>/jp/thread/S17728063#p17739647
>>/jp/thread/S17728063#p17739707

>>17877774
Fuck off normalfag.
It's bad enough university runts don't fall under GR2.

How do you translate 来るなら来い?
I understand the words, but not the connection between them. Is it "If's it's coming, I'll face it"?

>>17877843
ぜんごのぶんしょうおしえてください

>>17877843
It's the same type of sentence as "if you're gonna do it then do it." In this case "if you're gonna come then come."
Or if you're working at Funimation, "come at me bro."

>>17877772
That seems fine.
シンプルイズベスト in my opinion.
I don't like unnecessary things clogging up cards, the shorter the information the less resistance your memory puts up.

>>17877846
Don't judge me
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm13106845

>>17877864
The only thing I don't like about that simpler template is how it separates different senses of the word with asterisks. I would prefer them to be on a separate line but I wasn't able to figure out how to do it.

怒りで爆発するぞ
火薬なんていらねえ

>>17877876
わかるわからないっていうか

ふるい？

What do you do when you come across a new word written in kana and want to mine it, but when you go to look it up there are multiple different ways of spelling it with kanji?

So far I've not being mining them, but I come across them so frequently and it's really annoying having to throw them out. Why can't the Japanese just decide on one way of spelling their fucking words and stick with it?

How would you translate 推し?
Fan?
I see it often but don't know the proper english word for it.

>>17877943
Oshi*

*oshi means fan

>>17877910
Google the different forms and see which comes up the most.
You could write the different forms next to each other on the card but that might make it too easy to remember. Or you can make several different cards that all read the same except the form used on the front, but that seems pointless and tedious.

Fuck, is reviewing cards on Ankiweb broken for anyone else at the moment?

is google IME botnet?

>>17877910
>multiple different ways of spelling it with kanji
Simply post here.

>want japanese (text) clothes
>all japanese clothes are too small because i'm 6'6
>foreign clothes with japanese text literally only say なん？ or センセイ and include translations too

>>17877910
What are you reading? Never had that problem so far.

>>17878371
You almost certainly have, you just haven't realised it. Here's one example from today:
目蓋
瞼

>>17871949
>言っていい冗談と
>悪い冗談があるぞ

translated as:
>There are some things you shouldn't even joke about!

how is this? my limited knowledge says something like:
>to say a good joke and a bad joke

>>17878149
>Google the different forms and see which comes up the most.
Not really reliable since Chinese use kanji (hanzi) too, and if the word is a spelled with a single kanji or as a kanji compound, you will get hits from Chinese websites as well which will fudge the results.

>>17878461
Use google.jp.

>>17878453
ある isn't there to look pretty. What do you think 冗談がある means?

>>17878453
>言っていい冗談と
>悪い冗談があるぞ
Verbatim translation would be
“There jokes you could say and those you couldn’t say”
Implying
“And what you said was the latter one.”

>>17878643
sorry mistake.
“There ARE jokes you could say and those you couldn’t say”

why is there 先月 for last month, but　去年 for last year? Do you just have to remember this, or is there a larger reason why they use different kanji?

>>17878453
>言っていい冗談
good-to-say jokes
>と
and
>悪い冗談
bad jokes
>がある
exist
>ぞ
zoi

>>17872413
>>17872776
>>17873053
If you're using mnemonics to learn Kanji you're doing it the wrong way. Visualization and context are the key.
Anyways learning with radicals/primitives is objectively better than raw memorization

ゲイぞい

>>17878476
You mean google.co.jp.

And how does that solve the problem? Japanese-localized Google still shows Chinese results.

Speaking of 冗談. There's an expression that goes 冗談はよし子さん which means "stop joking".
This threw me off when I watched love live. For context the name of the girl in the back with the blue hair is よしこ. One of them had an idea to ride a very slow train while pressed for time. That idea wasn't even from よしこ, so when the brunette said that line I thought why is she a joke? She has nothing to do with it. Watching it subbed was even more confusing.

>>17878824
>2nd from the lefts face
wew lad

>>17878476
>>17878814
you mean yahoo.jp

>>17878853
tfw no og yahoo!jp email

>>17878814
Adding とは or の to the search term helps filter out Chinese results.
The other anon doesn't know what the fuck he is talking and is merely vomiting out shit he read at an earlier point. Using co.jp for Google in the hope of Japanese specific results is utterly meaningless for the most part because Google will use as much personal information as possible to provide what they feel is a better for you, which means using cache, geographical data, etc.

>>17878853
Yahoo Japan use Google for their backend algorithmic search engine and paid search infrastructure, so it's largely the same shit.

>>17878824
Probably a pun on 冗談はよし.

I'm going away for a few days and ankidroid can only use chinese versions of the characters on my phone. My fucking reps with be ruined.

>>17878947
That's easy to fix.

>>17878950

How?

>>17878952
By using an app called "kanji fix".

>>17878947
I did my reps with the Chinese versions of the characters for over a year and it didn't cause any problems.

Is this website good for testing
http://kanken.jitenon.jp/

>>17878947
You can just add a Japanese font to Anki and then you don't even have to fix the issue globally.

>>17878883
>The other anon doesn't know what the fuck he is talking and is merely vomiting out shit he read at an earlier point.
In his defence, the DJT guide itself is actually disseminating this idea:
>Questions
>Using Google for Japanese:
>Set your search to google.co.jp for (much) better results.

>>17878978
>>17878957

Now I have to ``````root'''''''' the phone to do any of this. Fucking garbage devices.

>>17879001
You can add a font to Ankidroid without rooting the device. That was the whole point to my suggestion.

>>17877772
>>17877797
I added a Templates section to the start-up guide with (minor modifications of) these.

>>17878992
That's true, though, just not pertinent to the number of results. Google set to jp is vastly better for googling Japanese terms because it ranks Japanese sites higher.

Is imabi a good resource?

>>17879017
Do you know Japanese?

>>17879078
I know kana perfectly and about 100 kanji.
I've understood grammar covered in the first book of genkii.
What I lack is vocabulary and common expressions/patterns.

>>17879096
Imabi doesn't cover your weak points.

>>17879003

Can't be done. Absolutely none of the files the phone allows me to access are anything to do with anki.

>>17879104
The idea is to add the font to your media files in anki, and then tell the anki to use it to display your cards. It has nothing to do with your phone.

What's this new "Allow secondary searches" option in Yomichan?

I tried enabling it but it doesn't seem to do anything.

>>17879166
It probably looks for shorter/longer definitions if it can't find any.

>>17879121

Ok, now what is an example of a "Japanese font"?

>>17879180
https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html#fonts
any of the green fonts here will do

>>17879188

Thanks for spoonfeeding me. Technology makes me panic these days.

>>17879170
Already does both of those things. By default it finds the longest entry possible, then shows incrementally shorter entries below.

>>17879195
No idea then. Maybe it's searches inside J-J definitions?

>>17879188
Yu Kyokasho is really nice but it's missing quite a lot of kanji.

>>17879201
Can you post some examples? You could plug tons of rare characters into the font previews on http://font.designers-garage.jp/ds/execute/FontSearch?searchType=1&saleType=0&category=04 and see if any of them are good. Make sure they're JIS-2004 compliant, too.

>>17879209
Oh, wait, designer's garage has a hostile interface. Try http://designpocket.jp/dl_font_category/list.aspx?smod=3&tfid=58&os=Win&soder=price instead.

>>17879104
You can't access your AnkiDroid folder? I doubt that. Just make a fonts folder in that if it doesn't exist yet. (Or you can use the collection.media folder, too)

Also look up the Fonts section of the Anki/AnkiDroid manual

>>17879209
I don't have any specific examples but I remember trying to use it as my subtitle font in mpv and it kept giving me [X] symbols on a lot of the kanji in the subs.

I'll try find some.

I use IPAMincho for vocab in Anki. 0 issues so far.

>>17879209
>>17879221
Found one:
咥 as in 咥える.

>>17879252
And another:
蒡 as in 牛蒡（茶）.

>>17879252
>>17879257
More:
捩 as in 捩れる

躓 as in 躓く

盒 as in 飯盒

醂 as in 味醂

咯 as in 我来玩咯... which doesn't seem to be a word so I'm guessing it's a mistake, but that kanji is listed in Japanese dictionaries (and on Jisho).

蔕 as in 蔕

豌 as in 莢豌豆

橇 as in 橇

>>17879283
祇辻咥蒡捩躓盒醂蔕豌橇咯
These seem to work well:
http://designpocket.jp/dl_font_category/detail.aspx?bid=14842
http://designpocket.jp/dl_font_category/detail.aspx?bid=15427

>>17879252
>>17879257
>>17879283
咥 appears 691 times in the DJT library. Ranked #2603 in frequency.

蒡 28 times. #4098.

捩 616 times. #2669.

躓 302 times. #3013.

盒 50 times. #3858.

醂 8 times. #4657.

咯 0 times. >#5855.

蔕 3 times. #5,061.

豌 12 times. #4463.

橇 246 times. #3122.

Some of them are pretty obscure, but all besides one are demonstrably in use in Japanese media, and some of them are even relatively common.

>>17879300
Those aren't the Yu Kyokasho (游教科書体N) font though and don't look as nice. This is Yu Kyokasho:
http://designpocket.jp/dl_font_category/detail.aspx?bid=17845

>>17879319
>Those aren't the Yu Kyokasho (游教科書体N) font though and don't look as nice. This is Yu Kyokasho:
There is no more complete version of Yu Kyokasho.
>収容文字数：7139文字（漢字4071字、非漢字3068字）（第一水準漢字＋人名漢字＋表外漢字字体表の印刷標準字体＋ひらがなカタカナ＋約物＋英数字） 第二水準の漢字の一部は収容されておりません。
So suck it up or buy a more complete less beautiful font.

お酒最高やで（お酒最低やで）

>>17879334
Why are you getting so defensive?

All I was saying is that it's a shame such a nice font is missing so many characters.

>>17879364
It really doesn't sound like it, dude.

>>17879372
>Yu Kyokasho is really nice but it's missing quite a lot of kanji.

The only reason I went any further than that and posted examples was because you explicitly requested that I do so.
>Can you post some examples?

>>17879380
Why are you so into this?

>>17879319
>Those aren't the Yu Kyokasho (游教科書体N) font though and don't look as nice. This is Yu Kyokasho:
I'm 100% positive anon knows what the font you're talking about is.

>>17879364
>Why are you getting so defensive?
Anon isn't, you are.

>>17879380
>The only reason I went any further than that and posted examples was because you explicitly requested that I do so.
That was me, not him.

>>17879385
>Anon isn't, you are.
In what way?

I made one post where I said I liked the font but commented that it's missing characters, then you requested me to post examples which I did. What exactly about this is "being defensive"?