/jp/ - Otaku Culture

how do i learn kanji

>>17854272
It's impossible without first learning Chinese.

>>17854261
>英語

Is duolingo a good resource to learn from. Just find it really convenient to learn this way.

>>17854317
Just read the bloody guide

Duolingo's Japanese course teaches little and is generally considered bad. You can do it on the side if you enjoy grammar exercises, but it should at most be viewed as a minor supplement to the method described in this guide.

>>17854314
>日本語

>>17854677
the method in which no one learns japanese and sucks ass forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

take it from me ajatt matt and adopt a ajatt lifestyle for epic 進歩

>>17854301
But for that to be possible you need to learn hanzi
How does one learn hanzi?

>>17855099
learn the 面条

>>17855105
>he uses simplified chinese

>>17855174
?

Can someone tell me if I'm translating this sentence right?
トランプ氏がＦＴＡに触れるのを日本は避けたいのが本音だ

Japan's true intention is to avoid how Trump conflicted with the FTA.

>>17855232
yes

I've noticed that 僕 and 俺 are written in katakana in a lot of manga. Why is this?

>>17855360
Kewler spelling

今日も一日がんばるみょん～

>>17855088
I'm glad Matt has made it big enough to be misunderstood by idiots.

>>17855350
Thanks

is there a reason this cant be read as "I think once in a while I will praise my teacher"? I didn't even know に was able to be used in this direction. (praise from instead of praise to)

>>17855655
に + passive is legit.
友達に殺された, was killed by a friend
友達にあげる, to give to a friend

>>17855655
Passives almost never mark the experiencer of the core action with に. Only a secondary object of the passivized verb could possibly be marked with に. Excluding phrases that don't follow normal grammatical rules of course.

>>17855681
>>17855678
man i suck dick at this, thanks

I did my reps today!

I didn't do my reps yesterday.

>>17855786
Now double that time in reading and you're doing the bare minimum.

>>17855814
6 hours?

>>17855817
Yes or this bunny will fuck you up

I'm doing self-created kanji and vocab cards using KKLC and I am putting in excessive time to narrow the vocab down to about 2 per kanji I learn (I think they will help with the kanji, but my primary goal is to get through jouyou first). While looking for more accurate definitions I'm finding that I have to look out for homographs and alternate readings. I tend to try to focus on words that don't have these so I don't unknowingly learn the least common usage, until I'm ready to start amassing a queue of vocab unrelated to my kanji progress. This process takes a while. Am I doing it completely wrong? Should I just type up two reasonable-sounding words per kanji and use yomichan lazily on this list without regard to that shit?

>>17856053

Is it possible to crunch for N4 in a month with some decent groundwork knowledge?

>>17855915
I think of it like putting together a puzzle. Focusing on kanji is like working from the outside; it's a good strategy until you have all the edge pieces done, after that it's probably not as effective if your goal is to learn the language. However if kanji is your main goal then don't listen to me because I'm a god damn yutori who can't handle more than 2 new ones a day.

What programs do you all use to type in Japanese?

>>17856151
On Windows I use the built-in IME because it just werks. I don't know what M$FT has done in W10 but their word prediction is powerful shit.

On Android I use Google IME (old version because fuck flat design)

>>17856151
google ime

Any tips for handwriting 八「はち」 and 入 「にゅう」 to make sure they're distinguishable? When 八 has the horizontal line on top they look nearly identical

>>17856151
Google IME

>>17856166
you're doing it wrong. don't write either horizontal line, it's a typeface thing that doesn't translate into handwriting, like the dot on top of 言

名無しさんは萌えるゴミですか？それとも萌えないゴミですか？

>>17856172
Is 言 supposed to look like this?

>>17856179
In handwriting, yes. It seems like you're unaware of this stuff; you should watch out for 糸 too.

>>17856188
Not him, but why haven't I seen this before online? Do I need to get a penji book?

>>17856188
How accurate are Wiktionary's stroke order diagrams?

>>17856159
microsoft stronk, google fags btfo
where the fuck did they get this shit from

おはようおにいちゃん

ほしがながれたよ

あれはだれかのなみだ

>>17856220
There's a cloud icon, so they got it from harvesting what other people are typing. Google is doing that too, no idea why they didn't get this term yet

Also related to handwriting, how important is it for me to get the curvature of the strokes right? Is it just as understandable if I make the strokes angular?

>>17856344
ひだりは「名」にみえて

みぎは「タロ」にみえるよ

alright since last thread I got scolded by you guys, please recommend me a good japanese grammar book

>>17855817
>3 hours doing reps
what the fuck are you doing

>>17856166
Stop using computer fonts for handwriting.

>>17856362
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/

>>17856216
The one in your picture is Chinese.

>>17856362
My first grammar book tier: Tae Kim
Meme tier: Sakubi
Autism tier: Imabi
Useless school language lessons nostalgia tier: Genki
The final solution tier: DoJG

>>17856366
like i know, i was in last thread.
i review 80ish "old" words, 20-40 "new" words from the day before (writing and all typically), then do a weird half review half learn new words with a second run in another program until I have about 20ish more words massed up to "new".

then i do 10 new dojg cards and try to consume them until I understand everything on the page, which i then add the grammar terms of, to the "new" srs shit.

>>17856344
both look ugly

>>17856368
>700 pages
yeah, yeah, no

なぜ, タとロは隔てるすぎますか?

>>17856378
First of all, you're not supposed to read it all through from start to finish. You're meant to use it to supplement your studies while reading native content so you can look up grammar you don't understand.
Secondly, if you wanted something good and then get recommended something good and say no then you can fuck off.

>>17856381
>>17856355

>>17856373
Thank you for answering my question

>>17856382
First of all, is that a way to talk to your elders, boy?
Second of all fuck you and your book, faggot
I am number one, no one will push me around

>>17856389
あなたこそもよろしくお願いします、ヒトゴミ先生

>>17856389
I already told you in the previous thread: insulting people won't help you.
It just makes you look silly, especially when you type in romaji and get even really basic grammar wrong.

I-it's not like I like you guys or anything

>>17856389
watashi wo anata ga oshieru nai desu da

>>17856401
>>17856395
>>17856392
STOP THIS BULLYING, RIGHT NOW OR ELSE~!@!#!
I MEAN IT!

>>17856344
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-noLdG95Ik
You don't want to curve them much as they look like different things, also that protruding part from the first stroke isn't that exaggerated, it's just a wee bit off. And this obviously goes for your katakana タ, 各、夜 and such. Same for the 口 with the part at the base, it's just a tiny bit.

>>17856411
Lord I am missing how fucking lenient the latin alphabet is

>>17856381
くっつけないと

はなしたとおもわれることがあるよ

にているのおおいから

>[...] 一番目にかかるのが悲しきモルモット集団 [...]
It doesn't take a genius to guess what this means but I want to be sure. I tried looking it up but didn't find anything helpful.
I'm assuming that 悲しき is 悲しく turned into a noun? If so, does it (and presumably all other adjectives that get conjugated into き(?)) simply mean it goes from an adjective to a noun and the meaning stays the same?

I'm trying to translate this in my head but I don't really see any reason for why you'd want to turn it into a noun. From the context, the character isn't directly implying the group is known for being "sad," rather just that they are pitiable (if I'm not totally off course here) and in that case why not just use 可哀想?

Please enlighten me.

Are there any gaijin malapropisms of Japanese that have entered Japanese speech due to common use, similarly to how salaryman and levelup are used?

>>17856473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRDPe8x9CwY

>>17856473
There aren't nearly enough foreigners speaking Japanese for that to really catch on. Most of the nonsense comes from the Japs themselves either misappropriating English words (e.g. カンニング、ダイエット、スタイル) or coming up with new ones altogether (e.g. 電子レンジー、サラリーマン、オーバーテクノロジー。）
Maybe a few catchphrases or weird utterances from TV personalities, but those have about as many real world uses as an inside joke.

>>17854763
it may be a silly question but besides names are these kanji commonly used?

>>17856490
>ダイエット
How is this one misappropriated in particular? As far as I can tell, it's used the same as in English, minus the general sense of the entirety of food and drink one consumes

>>17856513
>losing weight by any method (e.g. exercise)

>>17856517
Oh wow that's actually kinda stupid

>>17856490
電子レンジmicrowaveはにほんでは

>チン

だよ

サラリーマンemployeeは

>リーマン

だよ

かきことばと

しゃべりことばが

かなりちがってごめんねおにいちゃん

>>17856487
I don't mind this let it happen

What is it with two counters for -years old being used? I've seen both 歳 and 才 being used.
Is there a difference in nuance? From my experience, 歳 is used for ages 18 and up while 才 is for 17 and less.

>>17856657
Tae Kim says 才 is a simplification of 歳 for when you're too lazy to write it properly

>>17856667
I see, but I've seen them both used in non-handwritten forms, so I was under the impression there was something more to them.

>>17856512
Some of them are really only used in names, but there are also a bunch of common words in the list.
Just from quickly looking at my vocab deck, here are a few that I mined from reading:
嬉しい
凌ぐ
叶う / 叶える
些 ( 些とも , 些か)
凪
叡智 (Jisho suggests 英知 instead, but I mined it from reading Kumoko, so it DOES get written that way in real japanese, even if the easier spelling might be more common?)
只
堰 (堰を切ったよう is a common metaphor)
尖る
杏
栗
渚
烏
茸
綴じる / 綴る
鱗

「俺が出社したけどするべきことがなかった。」これで正しいですか？

ろくでなしBLUESを読みながら泣いた

>>17856719
Are you trying to say "I went to work but there was nothing for me to do there"?
Then「出社したけど俺には仕事がなかった」perhaps?

>>17856798
Yeah that was on my mind. But, I think I'm always transliterating everything that it ends up sounding unnatural in a regular Japanese conversation. Feels like I'm not omitting some words that can be omitted but is still comprehensible in Japanese standards.

>>17856829
I'm not native or even fluent yet either so you could probably word that far better than I did, but (and I mean no offense) it at least sounds a little better than what you wrote.

You could omit 俺には entirely and the only difference is that it doesn't specify that there was no work for YOU (there might have been for others, but definitely not for you) which may or may not be relevant, but if it isn't then it's just an unnecessary inclusion.
Your original sentence puts heavy emphasis on yourself and though the point comes across, it sounds more like: "I (at the very least, never mind anyone else) went to work but there wasn't anything for me to do."

1000 kanji learnt
1042 to go

then I will study the example Tae Kim's sentences
after having gone through his guide and sentences I will start reading real Japanese stuff

sounds like a plan?

>>17856842
>"I (at the very least, never mind anyone else) went to work but there wasn't anything for me to do."
That is the point. No work for me, but there are for others. Did I word it in an offensive/rude kind of way? I'm not at that point where I can really tell the nuance.

>>17856871
Just read now.

>>17856871
>sounds like a plan?

A very weird plan but whatever floats your boat I guess

>>17856871
No. Kanji are not vocab, you won't be able to read anything despite knowing 2000 kanji

>>17856875
Please take what I say with a grain of salt since these are merely my own observations, but the way I see it, you don't need to specify it was just for you unless it really is relevant. It can almost always be deduced from context when someone is talking about themselves, and only when it would differ from the norm or be what you don't expect. For example: if you're at work and everyone is talking about the latest TV shows, you could add the [pronoun]はテレビがない if you don't have a TV, since having a TV is pretty normal.

It doesn't HURT to specify there was explicitly no work for you, but if that's the whole story and you don't have something to say that is relevant to that afterwards (e.g. "so I asked my boss if I could go home early and he let me.")

As for the tone, well, I assume you know that 俺 is a very masculine pronoun. People often incorrectly label it as "rude" but it's more appropriate to say it's "out of line" if you're not in a casual conversation with someone. Likewise, you spoke pretty plainly (なかった instead of ありませんでした) so I'm assuming this was intentional and the tone was something along the lines of a message just sent to someone you know.

tl;dr: you didn't word it offensively (assuming from the context that the recipient of that sentence is someone you know) but it does sound a little unnatural. するべきこと sounds really weird ("things I should to do") but you can understand what you're trying to say.

>>17856906
Whoops, now I look like an idiot after making some grammatically incorrect English sentences here and there while trying to correct someone else because my thought process is all over the place and I'm tired.
But I hope you get where I'm coming from, in spite of the twists and turns.

>>17856887
I will just have to learn the reading, I'll already know the meaning (most of the time)
building kanji base = difficult
attaching pronunciation and additional meanings to already learnt kanji = easy
I will have a firm foundation with the example sentences

>>17856884
what would you recommend? I don't want to study single words like most of /jp/ does - you should learn whole sentences

>>17856935
>I don't want to study single words like most of /jp/ does - you should learn whole sentences

Studying single words is bad but studying kanji is ok? I don't get your logic.

>>17856935
ahahahahah, enjoy the akeji

>>17856940
kanji is the smallest unit I can learn
then I will study words within context of whole sentences - not the words on their own

>>17856941
what's akeji?

>>17856949
i actually dont remember the name, its random kanji used to make words that have absolutely zero association with the kanji meaning

really whatever works but your method sounds like its going to waste a lot of time that could be spent learning multiple things at once

you learn kunyomi and onyomi as you learn vocabulary just fine and meanings generally do too either out of context or memorization

>>17856949
>kanji is the smallest unit I can learn
>then I will study words within context of whole sentences - not the words on their own

Well like I said, that sounds to me like a very strange and roundabout way to go about things. It's like

>>17856949
>kanji is the smallest unit I can learn
You cannot "learn" kanji. Only a small handful of words are isolated kanji, and the overwhelming majority of words are not obvious just from knowing what the kanji are, and you will definitely not know how to pronounce the words you're going to be learning.

If you study 2000+ kanji and then try reading a Japanese sentence, even assuming you just magically knew all the grammar, it would still look like a mess of concepts because knowing the concepts a kanji represent does not make them eligible words. It would look something like:
"Bright sun, house tribe plant thing park traveling previously decided."
It won't make a lick of sense to you. It would be like reading just the previous sentence literally. What is a "lick of sense" and how does one create one and what would kind of effect would one being made do to you?

>what's akeji?
Presumably he meant ateji. Here's an example: 無茶苦茶. Here's a hint: it has nothing to do with the nonexistence of tea or painful tea.

>>17856967
I get that. As I said I will read the grammar guide and study example sentences so I will know what's going on in grammatical sense. I will check up words now and then like everyone else, I don't see how my method is so different.

>>17856954
I get what you're saying but the recommendation is not to do too many things at once. I could put the time in to study more kanji a day, but I'm totally comfortable with my pace of 20-25 a day. It doesn't require much effort and I can watch and listen to Japanese media in my sparetime.
I learnt the 1000 kanji in ~1,5 month. I feel like it's been time well spent.

>>17856977
The thing is, you're just wasting time. You might have an easier time remembering some kanji and maybe more concepts will be more obvious to you, but that's 1,5 months spent not learning any vocabulary which is what actually matters.

In the same way we don't speak English by combining various morphemes (in case you don't know, a morpheme is just "parts" of a word, such as "un-imagin(e)-able" which is 3 morphemes) to make words outside of colloquial speech, the Japanese do not combine a string of kanji they know to produce a sentence.

It won't hurt to "learn kanji" but it's not really a good use of time either. No, learning Japanese isn't a race, but neither is a diversion like this really that productive.
You do you though, I guess. Maybe I'm just conforming to the norm here.

>>17857005
Wasting time isn't a big issue, if I didn't study kanji I'd probably not do anything at all so that's that.

The method I follow works and there are individuals who worked with it and reached fluency. I have yet to hear about someone who speaks fluently who preached strictly to /DJT/ stuff.
The whole thing isn't to consciously form sentences in my head - I will do it automatically after I've read and listened to enough stuff. Having learnt the kanji will be just spots in which I'll be able to put readings and meaning. Most people don't have these buildings blocks, they acquire them on the go and confuse them. Kanji following my method is more organised and one develops more savvy concerning kanji and how they're constructed.

I know when I started with Japanese without all that RTK stuff I was just trying to learn the easiest looking kanji, I wanted to avoid the rest but you won't understand shit without the rest. By plunging into the whole body of 2000+ kanji I decided to face the issue earlier rather than later. Making brute sense out of a sentence like this >>17856967
>"Bright sun, house tribe plant thing park traveling previously decided."
Is still something to work with. Knowing the meaning of each kanji will also help me create stories in my head with already established meanings so I'll be able to remember the word's meaning better.

PS I'm just a beginner and maybe I've talked too much, but that's just the technique I'm following based on success of others. I know you guys can speak (at least some of you) actual Japanese and are bound to know more about it than me, but yeah - I'll come back in a few months and let you know how this thing worked out. I'm just asking around to test the waters, looking a bit forward in time.

>>17857005
>the Japanese do not combine a string of kanji they know to produce a sentence.
Except when being chuuni as fuck.

>>17854272
Write them down by hand and it'll help commit them to memory.

>>17857025
You seem convinced that what you're doing is right so go with it I guess.
But you'll need to work on the fact that "f I didn't study kanji I'd probably not do anything at all" because when you run out of kanji you'll be fucked with that mindset.

>>17857029
You could just as well lump that in with the colloquial stuff in English. It's more or less the same thing as making up words like "unfacefuckable" to describe something as invincible.

Sometimes I forgot the reading but now the definition. I guess this isn't a big deal when consuming media in solitude?

>>17857067
Depends on how wrong you are imo
For example if 宗教 and I guess しょうきゅう I may hit hard instead of doing it over again.
But if I'm way off I'll hit again.

>>17856457
It's 悲しい.

>>17857085

>>17856370
Genki's not bad, college courses are usually shit only because of their pace (designed to be passed by children who don't even really want to be there)

>>17856871
You are right about learning kanji meanings, it will make vocab easier in the long run.
But you don't have to do all 2032 at once before you even start anything else. 1000 kanji is enough to read easy stories.
Reading is the #1 way to get good so you should start doing it asap

>>17857102
In classical Japanese the き ending is used on adjectives that modify a noun. In modern Japanese that's been dropped, but occasionally still seen when someone wants to sound literary.

>>17857123
>1000 kanji is enough
>to read easy stories
This fucking language.

>>17857127
Ah, I see. Thank you.
The character in question that said that does use a lot of formal and literary speech so that would make sense. I've never seen that form before so I didn't know what to do with it.

>2017
>still using anki instead of reading compelling content
http://tadoku.org/en/l-method

>th-that won't work

https://youtu.be/IgQEVIOtZ8o?t=5m52s
>"I don't use a dictionary"

>>17856145
Asking again for the morning people. Signed up awhile back, but some unfortunate medical stuff has gotten in the way of studying until now.

>>17857186
Have you taken J-Cat yet?

>>17857173
>Don’t use your dictionary when you come across words you don’t know. Guess the meaning from the pictures and/or the story.
I usually do that when reading English because lazy, and even though I'm quite fluent, in a considerable number of cases it turns out later that I guessed the meaning either without the finer details or flat out wrong. 0/10 shit advice, don't do that.

>>17857190
I haven't. I'm guessing I should?

>>17857186
What goes under "decent groundwork knowledge"?

>>17857200
A few hundred words and Genki I grammar

>>17857197
In my experience it was a good indicator of my JLPT score last year. ~30 total points under passing the N2, with about an even score in each section.

>>17857202
Finish genki 2 as well and you'll pass it.

>>17857208
>>17857216
Thank you so much for the help. So I should aim for 100?

>>17857222
imo if you get below 150 I'd still interpret that as having a very possible chance of failing and study as much as possible.
If you get like a 50 then don't bother with the JLPT yet and save your money.
If you get higher than 150 might as well take the N3 instead.

>>17857230
Isn't it too late to cancel or change my level?

>>17857222
No, those are the old levels
Level 4 = N5
Level 3 = N4
N3
Level 2 = N2
Level 1 = N1

>>17857245
Oh if you already signed up for it then ignore that advice.
If you study enough in the next month you should be able to pass it.

>>17857251
>>17857253
Thanks

https://matome.naver.jp/odai/2136432617198371401
毎日の読書のための面白い記事を見つけた
どうぞ楽しんでください

>>17857545
何これよ、舐めてんのかお前？

Don't suppose anyone has a transcript of the letter Shou receives from his dad in Sakurako's route of Flyable Heart?

I couldn't understand it all from the audio alone and the handwriting in the picture is hard to read in parts, but obviously it's really important story-wise so I can't just skip it (not that I'd want to anyway).

>>17857661
>handwriting in the picture is hard to read in parts
>in parts
just fuck my shit up senpai/10

>>17857193
>a considerable number of cases
Which is still a minority of cases.

>even though I gained fluency by doing exactly this, don't do this, it's shit
>use this autistic method that I didn't use instead
Why do you troll /djt/?

>>17857677
Should I have looked up unknown words, my English would've been way better. I often feel that my vocabulary is inadequate for anything more complex than shitposting on 4chan. Nobody says not to read, but not using any dictionaries out of principle seems just stupid.

Thoughts on wanikani?

the interactive nature seems like a big plus.

>>17857751
Don't make me do it

>>17857763
i've gathered that wanikani is a big newfag thing but i honestly don't see how anki is any better, just looking at flash cards with no physical input on my end doesn't seem as effective.

i just don't get how anki is supposed to work,

>>17857792
This blood is on your hands

>>17857796
グロ好きとしてこれええな

>>17857792
In Anki, you assess how good you remember the card and then press the corresponding button so that Anki also knows whether you remembered this card or not.

>>17857193
>>17857677
In my opinion, it goes both ways. It's important do a lot of reading of content that you can get through the majority of without looking up anything. Mostly because being forced to figure it out makes your brain work harder. But you can't ONLY do that. There are some words you are very unlikely to figure out correctly from context alone.
I'd consider still writing down words or phrases you don't get, but not allowing yourself to look them up until you're done. This will also keep you from doing it with content too far above your level, as that amount of distraction will quickly make you realize this is a bad choice.

>>17857929
>This will also keep you from doing it with content too far above your level
Ah? If anything, that's when it's best to look up stuff as you go

>>17857929
Anyway, when studying Japanese it seems to be a few months to a year of study before you'd be able to read and roughly understand even the simplest text that can be considered entertaining. Maybe pure exposure can work at intermediate+, but the real goal is to get there

>>17857961
>read and roughly understand without looking anything up
fixd

>>17857751
>>17857792
I used anki for a few months, over a year ago. Quit at around lv15 spending 3 hours a day split into two sessions. I was tricked by apparent progress. I now know that if I had spent those months on Anki properly I would have made at least twice as much progress, in half the time. Here are some highlights of why I now think it's bad.
Excruciatingly slow pace because of level barriers. Holding off on new cards for days at a time is bad.
Typing answers is slow and does not teach you anything but how to input Japanese, which you should not need to practice because it's so fucking simple.
Associating kanji with standalone readings is a complete fucking waste of time, you will learn the only readings that matter through vocab.
Not enough vocab, though admittedly they're only there to help with the kanji.
Not enough focus on kanji composition. This is largely because of the next point.
The mnemonics are complete garbage. Probably half of them were "think of this unrelated English word that sounds kind of like this reading if you slur it and change the vowel." Many kanji used the same reading-based mnemonic. The ones that are even okay did not stick with me, leading to the next point.
Making your own cards is often agreed to be more effective, because you can judge what is good for you. And on the vocab side, you can prioritize words that you've actually run into.
No production of kanji or vocab, only recognition. Kaniwani has this for vocab, but inherits stupid decisions like typing everything. Production is more important than recognition, especially for kanji where it ensures you are actually learning the composition so that you wont be completely fucked when you get to lookalikes.

>>17857661 again.
Right, I'm about half-way through transcribing it myself (I will post the transcript here for the benefit of others when I'm done) but I'm stuck at a certain point. Pic related.

I can't tell what this kanji is supposed to be. From the audio it sounds like つ but I can't find any character with that reading which matches it. I tried writing it into Google Translate but the handwriting is too messy for me to tell what the radicals in it are so I'm not having any luck on that front either.

Can anyone tell what it is?

>>17857997
Looks like 擦り to me. And a quick look for 擦り傷 shows it's a set phrase.

>>17857997
Maybe 擦？

>>17858004
>>17858005
Thanks! I'm pretty sure that's it.

>>17857661
I had that picture saved for months thinking I would eventually attempt to read it, but never did.

>>17858007
Also, I can't believe I didn't think to try searching for words with す instead of つ. I'll try to keep in mind to do that in future.

When you're railing your waifu, and she screams out
>アノン君あつい~~
Do you assume she's talking about the temperature, or the thickness of your member?
Should you stop and ask her to write out the kanji for you?

>>17858086
>he hasn't seen enough hentai to know they say 大き when referring to penis size

>>17858086
Slap her and tell her to be a proper 撫子 and shut the fuck up.

>>17857943
You can absolutely do that too. In my mind, reading without looking up is when you are solidifying what you know with more examples of natural use, while material that requires you to look up new words frequently is where you can put work into actually expanding vocabulary properly.
>>17857961
Absolutely.

>>17858086
They usually use ふとい for thickness

おはようおにいちゃん

げつようび

ゆーつ

>>17857025
AJATT shill gtfo

khattz was already exposed as exaggerating everything he says

so far i have never heard a positive testimony from the site either

but ok

>>17854261
What does this say?

>>17857677
I like that pic.

>>17857661
>>17857997
Okay, transcription done.


晶くんえ。

もしも何かがあった時は、この手紙を晶くんに届けてもらうようにお願いしています。

僕が定年を迎えて仕事を辞めた時に、この手紙をびりびりと破ける事ができたら、晶くんがこれを読まなくて済んだらいいと本当に願っています。

特別なことは何も書いていません。特別なことなんてないからね。ただひとつだけ伝えておきたいと思っていることだけ書いておきます。僕は仕事柄のせいもあるし、ちょっと運が悪いのもあるかもしれませんが、色々大きな怪我をしてきました。だけど僕が今までした中で、一番覚えている傷は、腕の小さな擦り傷のあとです。晶くんは覚えていますか。お母さんのお墓参りに行った時、晶くんは木の上から落ちてしまった。うまいこと抱き止められたけど、晶くんは僕が少し怪我をしたせいで泣いていた。どうしてだろうか、僕はいつまで経ってもその事が忘れられません。晶くんと呼ぶと、いつも嫌がるのはわかっていたけれど、僕にとってはいつでも君は子供です。大事な。君が大事な家族を持つときが来るまで、それはずっとです。どうか忘れないでほしい。

晶くん、君はどんな家族をつくるのでしょう。

とても楽しみにしています。この手紙を読んでいる晶くんはいくつでしょうか。もう十分に大人でしょうか。

なるべく若いうちでない事を祈っています


Some words just to help people find this in the archive in future: フライアブルハート フライアブル・ハート flyable heart 晶 shou 桜子 sakurako 手紙 letter note message envelope 親父 お父さん dad father 病院 病室 hospital 死んだ 居なくなった いなくなった 亡くなった なくなった dead
(^ I used spoiler text here for a reason. Don't mouse over it if you don't want see major spoilers of Sakurako's route.)

Also uploaded it to pastebin: https://pastebin.com/EzMkQGMw


Let me know if you spot any errors.

>>17858173
"Tennou heika banzai" written in several different fonts.

>>17858198
What's it say on the top and bottom?

>>17858207
"Tennou heika banzai" like I said.

>>17858180
Thanks anon. Don't know if I'll ever read FH though

>>17858218
Okay, thanks anon.

>>17858173
It's a bunch of names

>>17858180
>晶くんえ。
>*へ

エムアイジャパニズイェット

>>17858130
Not him but Matt gives a positive testimony. Take that how you will. I think that khatz is a complete fucking piece of shit and you should avoid his resources, but I don't think that means every detail is wrong. I'm less convinced on sentence cards, and I don't agree with mindless constant audio that you aren't paying attention to, but I very much believe input > output, from my personal experience. The "shill" is contributing more than you to this discussion, and with less dogma.

>>17858308
ノー

>>17858308
オウマイーゴッド、ニホンゴジョウズデスネ！
ホントウ二カンペキデスヨ！

>>17858328
Matt even says that khattz is full of shit. He was learning Japanese way for AJATT and he wasn't as good as he claims he was after he finished.

Khatz is just the token black guy. Come on, guys.

>千紫万紅...といったらところでしょうか

Apparently "と言ったところ" means that someone is evaluating the situation up to this point, but how does that make sense in this sentence? It's 3rd panel on the left.

this is probably how long it takes to learn japanese. polyglot scammers on youtube act like it takes within a year to become a fluent.

>>17858410
And keep in mind 4 hours per week is at an insane rate that only people who have Japanese blood running through their veins can even hope to keep up with.

>>17858410
>10 years
>Intermediate level
No

>>17858410
do people really stress about the time it takes to become fluent and the level of fluency they can reach? I just do it because its fun learning another language and i like being able to read and to things in another language. when i start worrying about how many kanji i can memorize in x amount of hours it becomes a chore, and i see no point in turning casual fun into a chore

that being said i may or may not be getting a job in japan in the next year or so, so we'll see how things turn out

>>17858403
https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A5%E3%81%A8%E3%81%93%E3%82%8D
Its a conditional that represents a volitional action, though it leaves out the phrase afterwards
>How does 千紫万紅 sound?

>>17858428
Thank you. I thought I had the correct grammatical function there, but I suppose nothing ever means the same thing in Japanese.

>>17858427
Normalfags rarely try to improve outside of classes; and most of them don't have hobbies, they just want fill up their curriculum so everything they try to learn takes much more time to solidify
from your clueless neet

>>17858427

it kind of becomes frustrating when you've spent years learning a language and you still are not fluent. it makes you doubt whether you will ever learn it

>>17858284
Ah, fuck. I hardly ever type in Japanese so I was sure there was going to be some stupid mistake like that.

Sorry. Hopefully the rest is correct.

i've been learning japanese since 2010 and i still barely know anything still lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo i even studied it in university for a few years hahahaa i finished RTK in 2012 and i could barely remember how to write 見る i'm literally laughing out loud at how retarded i am hold me /jp/

>>17858446
If you aren't motivated in the first place, you will learn at a very slow pace even with attending classes. And if you are motivated, classes aren't necessary, you'll progress anyway. Looking up grammar is simple even in Japanese, and a lax pace of 10 words per day in Anki gives you 3.5k words per year, which is said to be enough to develop basic fluency.

>>17858446
>it kind of becomes frustrating when you've spent years learning a language and you still are not fluent

But any language is like that. People talk a lot about being "fluent" but this is more than just learning grammar and knowing words. Even ESLs in this site(as a practical example) spent several years until they got decent english, and are still easily spotted.

>>17856954
Close. It's random kanji slapped on already existing words. Sometimes ateji can be amusing. The 誤 in 誤魔化す isn't so irrelevant unlike the other kanji.

>>17858463
Don't worry, some people simply can't learn Japanese. It's less a language than it is a skill.

>>17858427
I only worry about passing N1 before I graduate undergrad so I can use it for bonus points in my grad applications if I apply to grad schools in Japan.

>>17858468
Fluency isn't even about the lack of errors, it's about being able to think using the language you want to express your thoughts with, skipping the phase of conscious translation. And that is indeed taking years of exposure

Prior to this panel the protagonist had been carrying on in a bath towel. He got dressed and returned with this line.

As best I can tell, he's saying something like, "Oh no~ You missed your chance to see me naked!" (lit: missed changing time)

Right?

>>17858522
I don't get why you would post single panels out of a yonkoma for context

>>17858468
I'm seldom exposed for being an ESL senpai, not only on 4chan but on the smorgasbord of sites as well

>>17858403
Also, does「おそらく味方を花に例えているのでは？」means something like "Maybe she's comparing friends to flowers?"?

>>17858522
Has he seen how she changed clothes yet? If no he's probably talking about her.

>>17858494

I think technically I could if I really tried it's just with anything in life that involves effort I get so far with it then end up suicidally depressed and give it up because nothing seems worthwhile anymore so why bother then by the time I come back to start learning again I've left it for so long I have to go back over the basics again which you can only do so many times before it gets incredibly frustrating and boring

I mean I literally did learn the entirety of RTK in my spare time and gave (spoken) presentations in Japanese at college and I can still just about understand (though couldn't engage in) Japanese audio/conversations but with studying anything language or not I just end up hating the fuck out of myself randomly and decide to sabotage my chances at succeeding with anything in life lmao

I quit my job and degree for the same reason btw I'm just a depressive wreck it happens

Thanks for listening to my diary I don't know why I'm posting here either carry on lads

>>17858531
Well, the context occurs on the previous page.

>>17858497
If you don't make it in time you could spend a year after undergrad doing anything in Japan which would probably help even more on an application while likely getting you to N1 level anyway.

>>17858497
MEXT scholarship?

>>17858499
>>17858533
That was just an example I used to make a point, maybe not the best one I guess. I just wanted to emphasize that learning a new language will always take a lot of time and people need to be ready for that as well.

>>17858568
Good idea. I'd hate to waste more time though since I waited 5 years after high school to go to college.

>>17858572
Hopefully. I'll take anything I can get. I just mainly want to travel for grad school, whether it be Japan or just the American west coast (I live towards the east coast). Trying to keep my options open.

>>17858546
its perfectly cool and ok to just do things you wanna do and not do things you dont

after all nothing you do in this life goes with you in death so you wouldnt wanna be that idiot who spent his entire life on learning japanese by proxy only to sorta understand hentai games by the time his dick stopped working lol

Managed to finish Sakurako's route in Flyable Heart in 4 days (5 if you count reading the common route scenes).

Quite a step up from the 2 weeks it took me to read Amane's. It's amazing the difference that actually enjoying what you're reading makes.

>>17858573
It's all right. In my case, I was trying to be funny defending ESLs, which I also am, while using awkward language
Guess smorgasbord and seldom weren't uncommon enough

>>17858465
>and a lax pace of 10 words per day in Anki gives you 3.5k words per year, which is said to be enough to develop basic fluency.
Basic fluency? Sure, after 10 years at that pace. Theres a reason default anki is 20 new a day.

>>17858594
there is literally nothing wrong with amane

>>17858620
knowing words doesnt make you fluent

is doing a custom study session even good for retention? wouldn't it mess with the intervals the cards are shown at?

>>17858620
post http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats instead please

Is そっスか a shortened version of そうですか? I can't find anything on Google about it.

>>17858660
そうかもしんねぇ

>>17858660
It is. っす is です here and そう is just shortened to そ

When speaking of human emotion is it correct to use いる or ある?

>>17858629
I like her as a character but her route is another matter. The start is horrible (same goes for Yui's, obviously), but even once that's done with it just goes from horrible to boring, and later tedious. The ending was decent but I pretty much had to force myself through all the rest.

>>17858629
I like her as a character but her route is another matter. The start is horrible ( same goes for Yui's, obviously ), but even once that's done with it just goes from horrible to boring, and later tedious. The ending was decent but I pretty much had to force myself through all the rest.

>>17858620
Sorry for the blog post, but I personally do 10 per day because languages are my biggest academic weakness. I need lots of repetition and sleep to consolidate my memory so things actually stick. I knew I was going to be slower than everyone else, but looking at that is a bit disheartening.

>>17858699
死は悲しくて寂しくもある

へへののもへじ

>>17858699
Your emotions aren't living things in and of themselves, so ある

>>17858720
This is the first time I've seen this and I shouldn't be laughing so hard.

>>17858720
>>17858726
ののワの方がええやけど

>>17858725
でもわたしがゲイって感じている

>>17858712
>>17858725
In that case, are people prone to misuse one for the other?

I'm trying to decipher a sentence.

>まだ追い出す気でいたの？

Which makes sense to me as, "You still wanted me gone?"

The only alternate translation I've got relies on the いた being 痛 to mean something like, "You hurt me by still wanting me gone?" but I think that's a stretch

>>17858410
probably does take 10 years for people who dont read books to become fluent

>>17858410
This is how long it takes plebians who don't study. Not that you can become "fluent" in a year, unless "fluent" means "I can hold a conversation with a native who is treating me like an infant."

>>17858743
I'm a beginner myself but I analyze that で as just a linking like in sentences such as 何も食べないで行った so instead of linking 2 verbs it's a noun(気) and a verb
So I perceive the meaning the same as your first guess

Bit of a 'length of string' question, but do you guys find learning from a mined deck easier? I'm wondering if it'll be easier to remember words that are hand-picked rather than 10 words in a row about management and economics from Core10k.

>>17858743
で -> context particle
いる -> existence
So he/she was "existing" in a state of 追い出す気
You kinda got the same meaning, but its a little closer to "You still felt like driving me out?"

>>17858791
Yes. Length of exposure also makes a big difference. Your brain has to get used to the hieroglyphics as being a real writing system apart from the unintelligible nonsense they are to the uninitiated.

When I fail a card these days, 9/10 times it's because I flubbed the reading, not the meaning. So don't be disheartened. Spend some time with a kanji book if you want to expedite the effect.

>>17858815
Oh of course, いる isn't directed at the feeling but the person feeling it.

暇にがありがとう

>>17858649
What's more important: learning the information, or following some arbitrary schedule?

>>17858649
>is doing a custom study session even good for retention?
Where you review the day's forgotten cards? Yes.

>wouldn't it mess with the intervals the cards are shown at?
No, they will still come up again the next day as scheduled.

>>17858546
Though I haven't had as much past experience at actual attempts to learn the language before as you (I did learn kana in like 2007 though), I am a chronic quitter as well and quit my degree too. I think I'm making some progress on being able to form good habits to accomplish things I really want to, and am starting to be better at enjoying small failures and small improvements rather than being focused on my inadequacy. Might try to go back to college eventually. I don't have advice, and it may fall apart again in some months, but I just wanted to say I wish you (us) the best.

「もう女遊びはやめるしちゃんと働くからさ」

Does this mean he's going to stop playing and worker harder, or work harder to make more time to play with her? It's the comic on the left.

>>17859008
Stop womanizing and actually work (or be useful).

>>17859006

Thanks anon. Same to you.

>>17859021
Thanks, I didn't realize 女遊び was a word. I thought it just meant that he was referring to playing with the woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3ioRPuBcfw&index=1&list=PLwGjqS2iLnwV1lBfUo6VuWmMaWUJnxLMK

>>17854261
Should I get the Genki books?

>>17859040
>shilling your shitty videos

>>17859046
No.

>>17859046
read the op

>>17859046

if you can find them cheap yes. if they are expensive then no.

https://www.memrise.com/course/258569/beginners-japanese-grammar-1-jlpt-n5-grammar/
https://www.memrise.com/course/348122/beginners-japanese-grammar-2-jlpt-n4-grammar/

this is better than genki^

>>17859046
They're not worth paying for. Tae Kim has more info and is every bit as good.

>あっちの角の先
What's the function of 先 here compared to just using あっちの角? Is it just specifying the "end" of the corner?

>>17859296
Beyond it. Around the corner. Up the bend.

>>17859296
>あっちの角
that corner/angle
>あっちの角の先
ahead of that corner/angle

I don't come here often but don't know other actual people who know Japanese, so I wanna ask. How would you pronounce 王馬?
I pronounce it as おうま but a guy who said he was Japanese here tell me 王馬 has no 長音符 or anything and it's pronounced as おま.
I think he's full of shit as 王馬 in kana is おうま going by the actual game and various source the name was from as well as pixiv tags and so-on.

eg;
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E7%8E%8B%E9%A6%AC%E5%B0%8F%E5%90%89
https://b-name.jp/%E8%B5%A4%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E3%82%93%E5%90%8D%E5%89%8D%E8%BE%9E%E5%85%B8/m/%E7%8E%8B%E9%A6%AC/?id=201660

I just wanna know was he shitting me or is the う silent or something?

>>17859236
>>17859235
>>17859155
>>17859139
I Thank you all. I like to buy physical books so I'll go with Tae Kim's.

>>17859374
>I just wanna know was he shitting me or is the う silent or something?
How long have you not known about long vowels?

>>17859374
Quick google says it's おうま
It's probably split like this 王 おう　馬 ま so the う sound is basically just a longer お

I could be completely wrong

>>17859374
>is the う silent
This wording makes it sound like you don't understand 長音, but maybe you just wrote it stupidly. I hope you aren't saying お・うま.
It sounded like おうま to me when I played the game.

>>17859437
No I'm asking if it's pronounced おま I don't think it is but that guy said so. I think he's full of shit.

I even went back to the game and the the character introduced himself and said the う in it.

>>17859449
I probably worded it bad, I pronounce it as おうま together.
Some guy said there's no elongation at all so it made me think that the う is silent or said said quickly. I mean kana clearly has う in it. Still I went back and the game clearly elongated it so he was lying

>>17859374
>danganronpa related
Is it Luke again? I see you are hating on our threads on twitter again

How long did it take you all to finish your first VN? And what was it?

By "finish" I mean reading every single route. I seem to be on track to finish Flyable Heart around 4 months after I first started reading it. Just wondering whether I'm reading too slowly or not.

>>17859478
I don't know your e-celebs sorry.

>>17859494
Not exactly an e-celeb, just some liberal faggot who came here asking for translations and got outed as a 17 year old redditor who spends way too much time crying on twitter

>>17859481
Mine was also Flyable Heart. 2016-04-21 to 2016-07-21.

Why is Anki so hard? Am I retarded?

>>17859546
Maybe. No one can give you a serious answer without any information of what you're doing and how long it's taking you.

>>17859546
Read more. Review forgotten cards.

>>17859546

it takes forever to remember words with anki. i prefer memrise

>>17859577
i am also a fan of memrise™©®

>>17859577
冗談だね？

Any good grammar/vocabulary decks for anki to complement kanji learning? My level is still pretty low

Could anybody tell me what the difference is between どうしよう and どないしよう?

>>17859597
>grammar decks
Those are for eternal dekinais. Don't waste your time.

https://youtu.be/G5IPArDxO40

>>17859597
I just used Heisig and got familiar with them in 3 month.
Kanji isn't an issue anymore.

>>17858551
He missed the chance to get changed because he was engaged in conversation in the previous panels.

>souvenir is earthbirth

hehe

Does your family know that you are learning Japanese? I'm kind of ashamed to tell anyone.

>>17859783
no, i dont mind telling them but i did a few years ago and gave up so i dont plan on telling anyone in real life until im confident enough to prove it

>>17859783

I've told everyone. they don't really know that it's kind of lame.

>>17858791
The stats on my mine and core decks are pretty similar, but I write out my mine cards and don't with core so that might skew things a bit. Also I think the context in core makes it easier to remember the words than if they're on their own.

>>17859786
Even then what are you going to say? "Hey mum, I know this is a bit sudden, but after x years of study I'm now fluent in Japanese!". Wouldn't that be strange?

>>17859790
>they don't really know that it's kind of lame
Don't they ask why you've decided to learn it instead of some other language or no language at all?

>>17859783
They know. I told them its the only thing that makes me feel emotions anymore, since I digest english too quickly.

>>17859802
i dont really bring up things unless theyre necessary, theyll either find out someway like the notes on my desk or theyll give me an opening.

they seem to think i do nothing all day after quitting but im usually just up here studying all day and reading art books.

>>17854317
I thought it shitsux. Much preferred the Lingodeer app.

>>17859802

>Don't they ask why you've decided to learn it instead of some other language or no language at all?

nope, nor would I desire to explain it eh heh heh

>>17859815
But you'll forever be "someone who has learned Japanese". That will forever be part of who you are, and if it is so lame, then you are forever lame.

Anybody know what happened to J-Comi? Site now redirects to: https://www.mangaz.com/

>>17859597
The dojg deck is a good grammar deck, ignore the other idiot telling you otherwise.
https://dojgdeck.neocities.org
Use the randomized cloze version. Works best if you are at least familiar with the basics and is treated as a reading aid.
The core10k or core6k deck is a good vocab deck.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/anki.html

>>17859783
They know, but they also know that I've been interested in the writing system since I was a preteen (before I watched anime), that I talked about it years ago, and that I'm a chronic quitter, so all they have to go on is my slowly increasing pile of books.
>Even then what are you going to say? "Hey mum, I know this is a bit sudden, but after x years of study I'm now fluent in Japanese!". Wouldn't that be strange?
This is unironically how I want it to go with my family, but I'm sure the surprise will get spoiled eventually.

>>17859516
Go back to your discord channel you insufferable faggot.

>>17858648
Fuck off, digital porn novels are irrelevant in the scope of vocab statistics.
Spam your shitty site in the vn general; djt is for anime and manga.

>>17859853
I agree with your first line, but no one talks about anything but anki and VNs here.

>>17859850
>implying I use discord at all
So you were Luke after all? I'd suggest not spending all your life posting on reddit and twitter, it won't get you a good job later in life

>>17859850
>>17859860
Consider fucking off. I hear twitter has private messaging for intimate conversations like this.

>>17859449
おうま

だと

「逢魔」じゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>17859876
>逢魔が時
杞憂じゃん

>>17859853
/jp/ - Otaku Culture

>>17859889
ＩＭＥせんせいにきいた？

いみはおもいよ

hi djt. I'd like to interrupt the shit flinging with a request for assistance.

I understand from the context here that Jumbo tells yotsuba that's a pro at catching cicadas, however I'm having an issue piecing everything together to form that statement.

捕らせたら is the causative tara form of 'to catch', which, if I'm correct, can be loosely translated to "if you let me catch". how does that work with the rest of the sentence to have Jumbo imply that he's a pro? I know I'm missing something here - thanks for any help.

>>17856369
I'm pretty sure you have it backwards.

>>17859904
>プロ級

これはしろうとのなかでは

うまいほうのいみで

プロのいみではないよ

>>17859904
He is saying he is as good as pros at catching セミ

>>17859904
Don't worry about how it works if you're getting it right. There's a reason computers can't figure this shit out.

>>17859904
don't think of japanese in terms of english, 'tara' doesn't necessarily mean that it's a straightforward if statement

>>17859945
does it have two meanings? in english it clearly does but if it does in japanese i cant conceptualize if/then and just before/after being the same.

あんこたべたい

>>17860125
まんこたべたい

>>17860133

>>17859599
おおーやっと僕が答えられる問題が出たや！
「どうしよう」は標準語で「どないしよ」は関西弁やで！

>>17860133

>>17854261
After finishing my first read and feeling high and dry, im reviewing grammar as i had some slight trouble with it and i have a few questions;
1) The Te form according to DoJG means and, -ing right? Sakubi gave me some contradicting information and says Te is used to modify the verbs meaning with the word following up the Te form.
2) I've never used Anki but is it worth it for Kanji? I've considered writing some down 50 fucking times like the kana and i did (i know about ~60) but i don't know if its a big waste of time compared to Anki.

And as a last note, fuck you monologue sequences i fucking hate you with a burning passion.

>>17860133
おちけつ

1. suckubi is shit
2. use anki
2.5 kanji are not words
3. No you for (You)

I tried Remembering The Kanji and while mnemonics are terrible it's actually helps me to learn radicals and improve recognition. Is there better ways to learn radicals without needing to read those awful mnemonics?

>>17860215
Yeah

>>17860215
There are how many, 150 radicals? You can learn them by brute force, like kana

>>17860215
漢字とひらがなのリズムで

にほんごをよむんだよ

ききながら

よむと

修得がはやいとおもうよ

>>17860223
I guess that's one way to do this.

about how many words are needed on average to only need to look up words reading average stuff, say 1/3 per page?

>>17860298
an average amount of words would do it, I guess

>>17860303
guess that was a shitty question, better way to phrase that is when I should stop with SRS for where im unlikely to spend hours looking up words for 30 minutes of reading

>>17860307
See >>17858620
>spend hours looking up words for 30 minutes of reading
Why don't you convert the book to html and read it with Rikaisama using your browser?

>>17860165
>1) The Te form according to DoJG means and, -ing right?
>Sakubi gave me some contradicting information and says Te is used to modify the verbs meaning with the word following up the Te form.
Not even close. Sakubi and Tae Kim are right here. Just for your reference, the usage of the "te form" the DoJG is trying to relate to -ing (according to what you're saying; I haven't checked it myself) is the ては usage, where the verb acts like a noun as a topic. In reality, nouns like -ing verbs aren't the only things that can be topics in Japanese, and this usage should never be translated as -ing if you're trying to make a natural-sounding translation.

食べなくては　いけない
Not eating is no good (Need to/have to/must eat).

にほんはあき

あのんは秋になにをたべますか

>>17860405
魔女学生の肉だ

>>17860410
それはおかずなの？しゅしょくなの？

>>17860405
>秋

飯の件でめっちゃ腹減ったわ

>>17860434
あさ

たきたてほかほかのしんまいと

おみそしるだけでとうこうすると

えいようぶそくで１０時にはおなかすく

>>17859906
Nope.

https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%B3%B8%E9%83%A8


That hook at the bottom is a Chinese thing and you'll see it in the characters on that page if you have Chinese fonts installed. Pic related is how the character is shown in Japan's most authoritative dictionary.

>>17860452
ぶってぃずむに

つかわれてるのは旧字で

>經

糸偏は４・５・６画目に

ひだりからみぎに

てんてんてんをつかうよ

>>17860405
年寄りとか若者とか子供とか親切な人とか不親切な人とかその他

Aah once again 何 being used to omit the predicate. I guess I can use it freely and not just in set phrases

>>17860554
Maybe it's なの contracted to なん and not 何?

>>17860557
No it's not, let's not have this discussion over again

マツタケがたかい

とにかくたかい

たかすぎるくらいたかい

１本がお米１俵（６０㌔㌘）くらいする

>>17860590
>㌔
>㌘

Can someone guide me how to look up some information on this grammar point: ～い -> ～き, where ～い is an い-adjective?

>>17860558
>No it's not
It is.

>>17860596
ごめんねおにいちゃん

わかりにくかったね

１俵は４斗だよ

>>17860605
>>17852889

>>17860600
http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E3%82%84%E3%81%95%E3%81%97%E3%81%8D
Google the case at hand or just search some of the common ones.

アメリカからの輸入まつたけは

やすいよ

京都のまつたけだけが

たかい

>>17860615
Ok, thanks.

>>17860554
>>17860558
>ここにいるのも[何]だから、そうだな・・・私の部屋に来るか？
>Because what's also here is what? I guess so... wanna come to my room?
>ここにいるのも[なの]だから、そうだな・・・私の部屋に来るか？
>Because (that thing) is here too, I guess so... wanna come to my room?

The first sentence makes no sense in Japanese or English if you treat なん as 何 in this instance. You either get 何だ-から or 何-だから, neither of which make any sense.
なんだから is just a shorter way of saying なのだから。
Yes, you can use 何だ (what is it?) as a standalone question and you can say 何から (from what?) and even in very specific contexts you could say 何だから (e.g. A「このテキストをどこから始めたらいいですか？」 B「「何だ」から始めてください」) but none of these make any sense in this context.

Just burnt 1000+ cards on Anki. I get this weird feeling of understanding words whenever I watch japanese stuff now.

If I study the grammar now (I have only skimmed it) can I read some basic stuffs now?

>>17860641
>The first sentence makes no sense in Japanese or English if you treat なん as 何 in this instance. You either get 何だ-から or 何-だから, neither of which make any sense.

It does make sense, you just don't understand it. Please don't make assertive claims about grammar when you are a beginner.

>>17860633
そんなにキノコ好きですか

>>17860641
It literally cannot be なの. There is nothing for な to bind to.

It seems I need to learn to shut the fuck up.
では失礼します。

>>17860651
あたしがきのこずきなのは

オセアニアではじょうしきなんだよ

しいたけ、まいたけ、ひらたけ、つくりたけ、えりんぎ

そして秋の王のまつたけ

>>17860644
1K words ain't much and you'll struggle a lot reading stuff but you should start it as soon as possible

>>17860651
せいよういぼしょうろ

ふらんすではトリュフ

ぜひいちどはたべてみたいとおもうよ

>>17860700
Thanks. I assume even completing 2k is not enough?

>>17860697
僕もオセアニアに住んでいるよ
嫌いじゃないけど、変な味と思う

Help me, I can't stop looking up words in a dictionary during reading if I'm not 100% sure I understand their meaning in given sentence.

>>17860703
I started playing vns at 2k and sometimes I read small blocks of text without having to search a word but there are times when I have to basically search everything
And of course I'm sticking to works that are said to be easy

how do i achieve this font rendering

>>17860767
Did that make you frustrated? Well at least I know not to expect much then.

>>17860777
Not much. It was a cool reading through my first vn, though I did skim through some hscenes since I was burned out and I don't like them much either
I was enjoying the story so maybe that made the whole difference. Perhaps had I decided to read hanahira first I wouldn't be here... anymore...

I am the one who was asked to recommend some Japanese novels for beginners. Actually, what I would like to recommend most is 赤西蠣太(aksnishi kakita) written by 志賀直哉(shiga naoya), but as the author had lived until 1971(88yo), the copyright haven’t expired yet, and Japanese text might be hardly available abroad but US, UK or such.
I found recital videos of that in niconico, but they have excluded abroad accesses...even though there is one accompanied with Japanese subtitle...
It is a story about a beta samurai, maybe to be relished by relatively developed learners rather than total novices.
I recommend it, try if you could have one.

Considering the Japanese are diligent workers, there must be quite a few sayings to motivate people right?

Does anyone here know some?

>>17861022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSMUDkrHsBc

what was your favorite reading material when starting out learning japanese? ive been reading yotsuba and its gotten kind of boring, looking for something with a bit more story or at least more interesting

>>17861094
とらぶる
アホガール

>>17861094
Porn.

>>17861094
just go 口喧嘩する with nihonjims on the internet youll learn a lot

>>17861094
VNs

>>17861274
適当なこと言ってんじゃねえよこの糞アノン野郎。
どうせパッとしねえ国から繋いでるカッペなんだろ？やだやだJP板は。

>「あ、ここはただの公園。別になにかの目的地とかじゃなかったんだけど、通り抜けたほうが近道になるから」
>確かに、道なりに歩いていたら、ここで大回りの必要が出てくる。
This may seem like a silly question, but doesn't 大回り carry the meaning of taking the long way around? Why is 近道になる used in conjunction with it?

How am supposed to know when to use は or が

>>17861923
It's saying that if they had just followed the road (and not taken the shortcut through the park), it would have been a big detour.

>>17861925
You can't. It's impossible for gaijin to grasp the all the nuanced differences, so we are forever cursed with making silly mistakes and sounding stupid if we try

>>17861925
考えるな
感じろ

>>17861950
Thank you, but I'm having a hard time interpreting that with ここで大回りの必要が出てくる. Is it something like "Going this way would would inevitably cause (bring?) a detour?

Are progress updates banned from the thread? I wouldn't mind people posting them here if they are hardcore enough. Obviously I don't care about randoms doing 30 minutes of Anki and afk listening to an episode of anime, but itwould be motivating to see how long certain people spend.

>>17862004
define hardcore

>>17862009
8+ hours a day.

>>17861977
ここで means in this general location. Not inside the park exactly where they are, but also near the park, which includes, and in this context means, the place where they choose whether to go through or around the park.

>>17862014
i dont think the brain can retain all 8 of those hours

>>17862021
Makes sense, I assumed with conditionals ここで doesn't necessarily have to be relative but that's likely wrong.
出てくる is used in the figurative sense here as well right?

>>17862039
true thats why i only do 15 minutes a day haha

>>17862048
well thats not very efficient, you could make much better progress with 2-3 hours of studying

>>17862014
Doubt anyone not living in Japan could manage 8 hours of practice a day and not give up after a week.

>>17862079
You're right most people couldn't. Although most people have no trouble spending 8 hours a day procrastinating in English. Why couldn't you just do the same in Japanese?

>>17862091
I plan to do so as soon as I'm able to. Obviously, you need to know Japanese pretty good to begin with.

>>17862121
But the thing is you don't realize how vastly inferior almost everything is in Japanese. You think "I like x in English, let me find the equivalent", but it's almost always worse or non-existent.

>>17862126
I don't see why watching anime in Japanese would be worse than watching it with English subtitles

>>17862126
is english the peak of language? built upon hundreds of years of conquering

>>17862138
There are only a handful of things like that though. Like even take anime for example, 2ch anime board is just a worse version of /a/ for example. There are very few other things that are good in Japanese. The variety shows get boring after a couple hundred hours, Youtube is complete garbage, podcasts are complete garbage, very few streamers, etc. They are completely trailing behind English content in almost every medium.

>>17862139
No, it just has a high population, most speakers are from first world countries with "free speech". Chinese has a lot of speakers, but it's content is mostly inferior because of limitations of their environment.

>>17862139
The perfect combination of Latin, Germanic, and Greek. Literally the masterrace of languages.

>>17862126
>>17862156
>You think "I like x in English, let me find the equivalent"
I'm pretty sure most people here think "I like [Japanese thing] but I don't want to rely on inaccurate English translations or wait for translations that may never come".

>>17862014
Law of diminishing returns says that's a complete waste of fucking time.
>>17862048
But that's not enough. I'd suggest something like 30-45 minutes anki, 30-90 minutes reading.
>>17862091
>Although most people have no trouble spending 8 hours a day procrastinating in English. Why couldn't you just do the same in Japanese?
If it's procrastinating, it probably isn't taking you much effort to get through, which isn't very optimal for your learning.

>>17862227
>But that's not enough. I'd suggest something like 30-45 minutes anki, 30-90 minutes reading.
You suggest that because that's what you do and you want to feel like you're doing peak optimization. Someone who does 8+ hours a day is going faster no matter how you look at it. Keep justifying your shit progress though. You sound like people who say you can only learn a language in a university to justify it to themselves.

>>17862156
>2ch anime board is just a worse version of /a/ for example
Elaborate

>>17862218
I can definitely agree. There's nothing that I like in English that I'm hoping to find some magical moon equivalent of. It's the things that aren't in English, or are but have extremely localized translation that makes me sad imagining all of the original nuance that has been replaced with hip American "culture".

>>17862235
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2010/10/20/language/battling-languages-law-of-diminishing-returns/

>>17862235
>You suggest that because that's what you do and you want to feel like you're doing peak optimization.
I do 6 hours a day, I'm just not a complete fucking moron who thinks that it's efficient use of my time.
>You sound like people who say you can only learn a language in a university to justify it to themselves.
I hate those people.

>>17862247
hour 16 isn't as efficient as hour 1, but 16 hours a day is still more progress than 1 hour a day

>>17862261
And yet that doesn't mean that it's a good idea. If the second half of your time only 1/4 as valuable as the first half, you're probably doing a dumb. I admit that it depends what the fuck you think study is though. If you're saying a couple hours of anki followed by passive listening all day long, sure, whatever, but that's not even worth mentioning.

I've done 8 hours of reading+anki/day before. AMA

>>17862320
Depends on the task. For something like Anki I would agree that the diminishing returns are harsh, but for something like reading I think you're overestimating the impact. If you want to be really efficient you might as well do 15 minutes a day. 15 minutes a day for 10 years will be more effective than 1 hour a day for 2.5 years. Most people don't want to wait decades to become fluent though. There's nothing wrong with spending as much free time as you have on learning.

>>17862339
Literally everyone here has done that at some point, no one cares unless you consistently do that every day.